WEBVTT - Another Exercise in Showmanship?  Debra J. Saunders Talks to Armstrong & Getty

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<v Speaker 1>nailed down. I heard some good journalism on on this yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>A little fathead does travel with his own toilet and

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<v Speaker 1>they do collect his leavings. Oh boy, treating a good journalism.

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<v Speaker 1>Good work. If you can get even better than that journalist,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you do for the for the government? Deborah J.

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<v Speaker 1>Saunders is the White House correspondent for the Las Vegas

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<v Speaker 1>Review Journal and an honored guest here on The Armstrong

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<v Speaker 1>and Getty Show. Hello, Debra, how are you? I don't

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<v Speaker 1>clean toilets at the White House? Yeah, that's a heck

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<v Speaker 1>of a job, collecting that stuff and storing it for

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<v Speaker 1>future generations. Analyze, I haven't collected it, but we both

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<v Speaker 1>in our lives, have had to clean the john's at

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<v Speaker 1>that little radio stations we worked out exactly. We've all

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<v Speaker 1>had to do it at some sometimes, and of course

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<v Speaker 1>I do it at my house to you know, more

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<v Speaker 1>than occasionally. So listen to everyone more enlightened higher plane

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<v Speaker 1>discussion or the president in Hanoi for the big summit

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, and it's all about the expectations game. Depending

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<v Speaker 1>on who you ask, I guess well, I mean, the

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<v Speaker 1>question is will something come of this? Because we had

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<v Speaker 1>the big summit in Singapore and they came out with

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<v Speaker 1>a nice sort of agreement. It didn't say much and

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<v Speaker 1>it actually pulled back from some agreements in the past.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the question is are we actually going to

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<v Speaker 1>get something for all this pump for for for this

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<v Speaker 1>kind of summit that puts Kim Jong on in sort

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<v Speaker 1>of the community of world leaders who get to do summits,

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<v Speaker 1>or is this going to be another exercise and showmanship

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<v Speaker 1>And that's about it. Well, that's I'm going to accuse

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<v Speaker 1>you of being stuck in the uh, the forms of

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<v Speaker 1>the past, just because the idea of does he deserve

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<v Speaker 1>a summit? A summit is where you have deliverable, elevated exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>You spend months preparing and then the two leaders come together,

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<v Speaker 1>smile at the summit, and sign the big agreement. I

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<v Speaker 1>just don't think that's the way Trump works. I think

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<v Speaker 1>he's trying to forge a relationship that are bare fruit

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<v Speaker 1>in the future. Well he does. He's a salesman, and

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<v Speaker 1>every salesman I've ever known thinks they can sell you anything, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I think if they just spend enough time with you,

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<v Speaker 1>they can get you to buy this. Yes, that's Trump's deal.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just I think

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<v Speaker 1>he's approaching it in a very different way than Barack

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<v Speaker 1>Obama would have. And I completely agree with you. But

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<v Speaker 1>but you can only do that for one summit. You

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<v Speaker 1>can't keep doing that, right. In other words, so you

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<v Speaker 1>can say uh, and and there are people who say

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<v Speaker 1>it that Trump had to deal with him differently UH

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<v Speaker 1>Asian UH leaders like to deal with having the big

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<v Speaker 1>the big people out front and then have other people

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<v Speaker 1>do the details later, and that this was a different

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<v Speaker 1>way of dealing with with with the Hermit Kingdom. This

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<v Speaker 1>was a smart way to do it. That's why I

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<v Speaker 1>hear that. I accept that. The thing is you can't

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<v Speaker 1>keep doing that, and at this point in time, there

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<v Speaker 1>has to be some sort of pulling back of uh

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<v Speaker 1>beyng Young the where they produced nuclear material. There. There's

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<v Speaker 1>talk that they may cut a deal where they will

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<v Speaker 1>they will basically destroy that facility. If that happens, that

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<v Speaker 1>would be good, and I assume that the US will

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<v Speaker 1>pull back on the sanctions. That would be something that

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<v Speaker 1>could come out of this. Or not, we'll find out.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm disappointed in the coverage we were talking about this before. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>all the coverage comes down to this help Trump or

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<v Speaker 1>hurt Trump politically, and not enough on the actual what

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<v Speaker 1>we're actually trying to accomplish. This is a big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a country run by a nut job with

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear weapons and keeps, you know, saying the nutty stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So it would be nice to get some deliverables, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it helps Trump or not. Yeah, I agree with you. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know I The thing that I was really concentrating

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<v Speaker 1>on last week before they left is are they going

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<v Speaker 1>to be alone? And I think that there's this part

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<v Speaker 1>of a lot of people in the international community, the

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<v Speaker 1>foreign policy wag stuff like that, who don't like the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that Donald Trump likes to be alone with these

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<v Speaker 1>leaders translators only Now in Singapore, he met with Kim

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<v Speaker 1>alone and then they had a big expanded bilateral. All

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<v Speaker 1>the other big shots are there. Um. So the question

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<v Speaker 1>always with Trump is how personal will this get? Is

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<v Speaker 1>he gonna come out really, you know, clutching a letter

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<v Speaker 1>with talking about how happy is and how how much

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<v Speaker 1>they love these letters. How personal? I mean he he

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<v Speaker 1>makes it so personal, and it's one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 1>why people look at it that way. Uh Barack Obama

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<v Speaker 1>didn't try to get into the personalities of this in

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<v Speaker 1>real look more at, for example, the human rights record

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<v Speaker 1>more Korea. So listen, I guess I take a really

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<v Speaker 1>unconventional view of this, and and there is a major

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<v Speaker 1>caveat to this. But the Kim Jong un is not

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<v Speaker 1>a nut job. I know he is by our standards.

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<v Speaker 1>He's he's highly irrational, but he heads up the hermit

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<v Speaker 1>kingdom famously isolated, maybe the most isolated country on Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think drawing him out, putting him on the

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<v Speaker 1>world stage, forcing him to engage in the world is

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<v Speaker 1>a very productive goal. Now, it's definitely playing a long game.

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<v Speaker 1>And honestly, it depends, like you're describing on Trump and

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<v Speaker 1>personal meetings and private meetings and the rest of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Um and and as soon as the administration changes, well

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<v Speaker 1>that'll go up and smoke, which is why specifics are

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<v Speaker 1>important and foreign policy. But see, I think having sum

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<v Speaker 1>it after summat and having this guy more and more

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<v Speaker 1>engaged in the world is actually the ruble in itself.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, we'll see. Deborah Saunders of the Las

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<v Speaker 1>Vegas Review Journal is on the line. Do you have

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<v Speaker 1>any idea how Trump will be taken in the information

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<v Speaker 1>tomorrow when Cohen's testifying, And there's some reporting out today

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<v Speaker 1>that Cohen's gonna claim Trump is was breaking laws while

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<v Speaker 1>in the White House and making racist jokes and all

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of different stuff. You know, this is really nasty,

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that they're going to have Michael Cohen testify

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<v Speaker 1>while the US President is in Vietnam trying to put

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<v Speaker 1>together a summit to de nuclearize North Korea. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>having them be the world from nuclear holocaust. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right. So I mean, I just think we'll see

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<v Speaker 1>how far these guys want to push it. But I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think it looks good to have Michael Cohen testifying. Well, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>Trump is trying to get a deal, and and I

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<v Speaker 1>may be skeptical about what will be done, although you

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<v Speaker 1>know something could could easily could happen. There are a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people who want to see something good come

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<v Speaker 1>of this. But the idea that Trump has to put

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<v Speaker 1>up with this at this moment, it's just long. I

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<v Speaker 1>think we would agree on that. Yeah, God, you would think,

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<v Speaker 1>so do it do it Friday or do it next week.

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<v Speaker 1>You could get to it fine with the whole Cohen stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>But God, Danny can't have the president, like Joe said,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to avert nuclear armageddon and then somebody whispering his

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<v Speaker 1>Cohen just said, you'd called a bunch of black guys,

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<v Speaker 1>but the inn word and a bunch of people are

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<v Speaker 1>now seriously talking about impeachment, sir. Anyway, Kim Jong Luin

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<v Speaker 1>is waiting for you in the next round. You can't

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<v Speaker 1>have that, that seems I mean, I can picture the

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<v Speaker 1>WAPO in the New York Times going berserk if the

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans were trying to undermine Barack Obama as he's in

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<v Speaker 1>the final moments of, for instance, the nuclear arms deal.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, the Washington Post has a full page

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<v Speaker 1>story today about a campaign staffer who said that Trump

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<v Speaker 1>tried to kiss her. Yeah, I heard about that, and

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<v Speaker 1>everybody who was said to have been there said that

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<v Speaker 1>didn't happen. So that's great. Yeah, we're going to get

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<v Speaker 1>to a Columbia School of Journalism poll of Americans about

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<v Speaker 1>their attitudes toward journalists. And it's it's not super it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's a little if faith, Deborah. I wonder why I

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<v Speaker 1>saw that story this morning. I could couldn't believe it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it had been up online yesterday, but you

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<v Speaker 1>have a fully at least it wasn't on the front page,

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<v Speaker 1>which is what the New York Times had done in sixteen.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, I I'm sorry, I just don't consider

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<v Speaker 1>that to be curious full page curious people would actually

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<v Speaker 1>want to write a huge story about interesting. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we shall see. Deborah J. Saunders is the White House

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<v Speaker 1>correspondent for the Las Vegas Review Journal. Well you might

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<v Speaker 1>have some fancy righting to do, Debora. We'll let you

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<v Speaker 1>rest your right and wrist and get it stretched out.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I sit a little bit and get ready. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, good to talk to you. Thanks. So I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't read this. Uh, Sean mentioned it was on a

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter on a tweet yesterday from somewhere, but it's now.

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<v Speaker 1>It's in the Washington Post. Some woman claims that Trump

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<v Speaker 1>kissed her, tried to kiss her and she turned her head,

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<v Speaker 1>and now she's suing for many many dollars for emotional distress.

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<v Speaker 1>That somebody tried to kiss her. It could be true,

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<v Speaker 1>But why now seems pretty weird, just in that you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want to bring him down during his campaign in

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<v Speaker 1>no time during the last two years? What what? What's

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<v Speaker 1>the Is there an answer for the why now? I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. There could be an answer, but I have

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<v Speaker 1>not gone deep into this story. So the theory I

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<v Speaker 1>saw thrown out is that she was lawyering up to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out how to break her non disclosure agreement that

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<v Speaker 1>that Trump signed, and part of working with it, you

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<v Speaker 1>signed these things. Okay, she was part of the campaign.

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<v Speaker 1>That's funny. I heard about this story a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>days ago. I hadn't realized it was the same girl. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>woman whatever? Um? Alright? So yeah, wild was she at

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<v Speaker 1>the time? But I don't know. I quit asking me stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't looked at the store. Say it's ridiculously just happened.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll find out our age. Yeah, I just wonder she

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<v Speaker 1>is point two year older fifty two year old one. Alright, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to become a thing. It could become a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Why don't you cover that story. I'll cover the nuclear

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<v Speaker 1>arms peel. It could be the big story the next

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<v Speaker 1>next two weeks for all, I have some really good condescensial.

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