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We are 11 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 1: back with the Falcons out of a special edition presented 12 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: by AT and T. Just for those that are listening 13 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,599 Speaker 1: or you may never ever capture what We ended up 14 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 1: recording yesterday as our normal broadcast, our normal podcast because 15 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,480 Speaker 1: there were some breaking news from the Atlanta Falcons organization. 16 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: Some happened on Tuesday evening on he cleaned. 17 00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 2: Up the beer outside. I don't know if he cleaned 18 00:00:59,960 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 2: it up and just movie outside. 19 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 3: It's it's still our miracle on thirty fourth period. That's 20 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 3: what he needed to get let me to go to 21 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 3: the playoffs. 22 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: So Arts was growing it out until the Falcons won 23 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: a game, and then they won a game, and so 24 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: he let go of sixty seven percent of bit but 25 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: he's still holding on for hope for maybe another twenty 26 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: four hours. But with some breaking news from the nf 27 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: Falcons organization, Raheem Morris names Michael Pennocks Junior the starting 28 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: quarterback moving forward. So, gentlemen, there's a lot of different 29 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 1: areas things that we can talk about with this discussion. 30 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: There's always the internal. There's the we watch tape, there's 31 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 1: the it's not all Kirk's fault, there's the yes, things 32 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: needs to get better. But then there's always the other side. 33 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: And this is the unique situation here is that what 34 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: do they always say, like, the backup quarterback is one 35 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: of the most popular guys on an NFL roster In 36 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: any college or any college football roster, football roster, right 37 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: backup quarterback is generally the most popular guy on the roster. Well, 38 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: it's even more popular when the backup quarterback is a 39 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: first round pick in the twenty twenty four draft. And 40 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: so anytime there's some adversity, there's gonna be people that 41 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: are gonna be like, well, how about the first round pick, 42 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: why don't we put him in the game. Well, it 43 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,399 Speaker 1: takes until towards the end of the season, and if 44 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: that was what you were wishing for, that's what you're 45 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: gonna get. So shock, Let's start with you your initial 46 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: reactions when you heard me. We might have heard maybe 47 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 1: about three minutes before everybody else heard, but your initial 48 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: reactions reactions when you heard that Raheem Morris made the 49 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: switch to Michael Pennock Junior. 50 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,839 Speaker 4: I'll be honest, I initially say wow, like, okay, it's 51 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 4: really happening, because obviously the conversation has been broad, it's 52 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:49,239 Speaker 4: been talked about, and we've watched this team, just say, 53 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 4: for the last five weeks, with the way they played, 54 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 4: and initially you think, man, that is an interesting move. 55 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 4: Obviously you're thinking, Okay, you're coming off a game where 56 00:02:58,040 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 4: you're playing against team that's not so good, and you 57 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 4: got a team that's coming up who's not so good. 58 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 4: Maybe you give them another shot to try to figure 59 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 4: it out. And plus you're right in the middle of 60 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 4: this playoff race. And so initially I was like, wow. 61 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 4: You know, there are a lot of things that you 62 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 4: think about and say this is interesting to happen. But 63 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 4: then there's also you look back on the way the 64 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 4: games have transpired. You watched the way that you know 65 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 4: Kirk has played throughout those ball games, and it gives 66 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 4: you a little sense of especially guys who played the 67 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 4: game who understand what it's like and you know how 68 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 4: things should function. And then you watch the way the 69 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 4: game was played last week, then I started to think, 70 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 4: you know, it starts to make sense. And then for me, 71 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 4: just watching the game last week and watching the way 72 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 4: the game was called, watching the way the Falcons offense 73 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 4: was functioning, it felt like it was more of a 74 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 4: protection last week as opposed to, okay, let's open it up. 75 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 4: And we've talked about it. Everybody watched the game. It's 76 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 4: not anything that we're saying against you know, this offense 77 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 4: or against Kirk or whatever it was. 78 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 5: You knew go into that game. 79 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 4: And then as the game went on, their offense wasn't 80 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 4: going to score a lot of points, They won't be 81 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 4: able to move to football, it wasn't gonna be one 82 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 4: of those type of games where they were going to 83 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 4: beat you. And in my eyes, just watching the game 84 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 4: and my personal opinion, just watching the game, it felt like, 85 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 4: let's not do anything to hurt ourselves to lose the 86 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 4: ball game. And then you asked the question does it 87 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 4: surprise you? And then I think, well, once you start 88 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 4: doing that, that's not a recipe for success. That doesn't 89 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 4: feel good when it comes to how do I go 90 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 4: forward in a season where I have to protect my 91 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 4: offense or protect my quarterback from himself or from the 92 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 4: team to keep us from losing a ball game, if 93 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So I think once I 94 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 4: started about in that manner, I looked at it like, man, 95 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 4: you know what, it makes sense. 96 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 5: Now. 97 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 4: You can't handicap your quarterback. You can't handicap your team. 98 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 4: And in this moment, with three games to go, with 99 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 4: your team in the player and race, you gotta give 100 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 4: yourself the best chance to win. And if you're handicapping 101 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 4: your team, that's not the best chance to win. 102 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 5: And then you make the move. 103 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:12,359 Speaker 1: Arch last weekend before the Raiders game, one of my 104 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: keys to the game was cut it loose, okay, which 105 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: basically just meant go out there, play free, and go 106 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: out there and execute. And I also I would also say, 107 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: like offensively, when I say cut it loose, I means like, 108 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: put your foot on the gas right into Shock's point. 109 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: As we kind of like digested the game, on Monday night. 110 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: It didn't look like there was a put your foot 111 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: on the gas mentality offensively. And then you couple that 112 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 1: with okay, just last five games, okay, scoring seventeen, six thirteen, 113 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 1: twenty one point fifteen. 114 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 5: Okay. 115 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: What that tells me is you have such a small 116 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: room for error if you're gonna win football games when 117 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: that's your offensive production. So I'm sure coaching staff, personnel 118 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: departments not making the decision based off of that. They're 119 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: making the decision based on I'm the best interest of 120 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: the team and we need our offense to open up more. So, Arch, 121 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: do you have the confidence? Is there enough of a 122 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 1: track record? Did you see enough in preseason OTAs or 123 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: going back to his days at Washington that leads you 124 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: to believe that there's a chance that things could be 125 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: opened up? 126 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 2: Now, well, I think that's the only way you're gonna 127 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 2: get where you want to get to. 128 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 5: Yeah. 129 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 3: I think that the reason you make this change is 130 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 3: because that's what you're gonna do. Yeah, you got to 131 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 3: get back to who you were. I know West Derman 132 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 3: and I were talking about this. West made this analogy 133 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 3: is a good one. My broadcast partner on the radio Uh, 134 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 3: you got to get back to being who you were 135 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 3: in October, but you're gonna have to do it with 136 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 3: a different guy behind center. There's so many things to 137 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 3: unpack with this. I thought Shock touched on it perfectly. 138 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 3: When you call a game and you're protecting yourself from 139 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 3: your quarterback making a mistake in the game to cost 140 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 3: you the game, then you got to do something. Okay, 141 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 3: they had not done that in the four game losing streak. 142 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 3: You go back to the Minnesota game. Kirk had a 143 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 3: number of good plays in the game. It's twenty one, 144 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 3: twenty one guys, going to the fourth quarter. You got 145 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 3: a chance to beat one of the one of the 146 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 3: team's got one of the best records in the national 147 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 3: in the NFC on in their building. 148 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 2: You've played them. 149 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 3: To a standstill for three quarters, right, So that's where 150 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 3: the hesitsy see, And I know there's fans I said, oh, 151 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 3: why do we make the switch three weeks ago coming 152 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 3: out of the bye week. But when you look at 153 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 3: the games, yeah, there were some moments in the games 154 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 3: that got sideways on and you're scratchings and why do 155 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 3: you throw it there? Or whatever, But think about the 156 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 3: other fifty two minutes of the sixty minutes of the game, 157 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 3: that he made all these throws and made all these 158 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 3: plays to put you in position to potentially win. We're 159 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 3: talking about losing mainly one score games, but then when 160 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 3: you start to you step back away from it. And 161 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 3: exactly the way Shock described it, couldn't have done it better. 162 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 3: The perfect description of how you feel as a coaching staff. Wow, 163 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 3: are we having to take stuff out of the game plan? 164 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 3: Are we having to not call stuff because we're afraid 165 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 3: we're gonna make a mistake here? You can't win that 166 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 3: we can't play that way, Okay? And there's also this 167 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 3: is the other piece to add to what Shaq was saying, 168 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 3: is the energy of the players. The players feel that Okay, 169 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 3: if I'm a receiver. 170 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 2: And we're not throwing the ball or I'm not. 171 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 3: Sure we trust that, that affects me and affects the 172 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,559 Speaker 3: way I'm playing too. And so there's an energy piece 173 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 3: to this. And Kirk is such an energy guy. And 174 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 3: again we're not ganging up on Kirk or anything like this, 175 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 3: but this was something that Raheem felt like was the 176 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 3: best interest of the team. They evaluated it over a 177 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 3: five week period. This is not just a rash decision, 178 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 3: and the energy of the football team and your opportunity 179 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 3: here with three games to go is still there. So 180 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 3: all of that factoring in and now you turn it. 181 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 3: You got a young kid, and the question you asked, 182 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 3: he threw twenty one passes. He's throwing twenty one passes 183 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 3: in Atlanta Falcon. Okay, that's not a lot. I think 184 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 3: he threw sixteen in the preseason game against Miami. You 185 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 3: liked some of the stuff you saw in the Miami game, 186 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 3: but that's way way back in August, right. He made 187 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 3: a couple of throws against Denver. He cut one lous 188 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 3: down a field. 189 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 5: Wow. 190 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 3: I like the way that look in case he did 191 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 3: end up catching the football, But you like what he 192 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 3: brings to the table, and there's so much to him, 193 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 3: and I know we'll dive into him personally, so I'll 194 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 3: get off. I'll get off my soapbox at this point 195 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 3: and we can talk about Penis. But that's kind of 196 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 3: my take on where we were, kind of what led 197 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 3: to this decision, and I think it's the right one 198 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 3: for the energy of this football team. Coupled with what 199 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 3: Chock said completely laid it out perfectly. You can't call 200 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 3: a game and call a game to not let your 201 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 3: guy try to make plays at quarterback. 202 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: So we're a long ways from the majority of those 203 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: pass attempts that you talked about from Michael Pennix in 204 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:44,079 Speaker 1: the preseason. But we've had fourteen games in fifteen weeks 205 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: where Michael Pennix has not been thrust into action, where 206 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: he's been able to be a student, okay. He's been 207 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: able to be mentored by Kirk Cousins, to listen in 208 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: the meetings, to learn from mistakes that have happened in 209 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: previous games, to listen to how Kirk works through his progression, 210 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: how he thinks about things mentally. Because say what you 211 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,719 Speaker 1: want from Kirk on the field this year, performance or 212 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: lack thereof, I'm sure that Michael Pennix has gotten a 213 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 1: bachelor's degree in education over the past fifteen weeks in 214 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: football knowledge, okay. But I want to get back to 215 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: your point about energy. In Shock, he was talking about 216 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: the energy of the team. With Kirk Cousins as the quarterback. 217 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: Do you feel there's a good chance that there's an 218 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: energy boost for the rest of the team, the players, 219 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: defensive players, special teams, players the rest on the offense 220 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: to say we got the young fella in there, and 221 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: they probably saw some things during practice this entire season 222 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: where they're like, oh, yeah, I've been seeing what this 223 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: dude can do all year long. Now we're going to 224 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: get a chance to see him do it with live bullets. 225 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 4: And I think that's the other part of it that 226 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 4: makes it interesting is a lot of people don't get 227 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 4: a chance to see what happens out here on the 228 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 4: grass during practice. You know, artikids chance to be out 229 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 4: here a lot. I remember being out here in training 230 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 4: Kim and watching them throwing around. But what he does 231 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 4: out here matters. And there are a lot of coaches 232 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 4: who will not play a guy simply because they're not 233 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 4: good practice players, because you can't just go on the 234 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 4: games say you're gonna turn it on. They obviously have 235 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 4: seen things that they've liked him practice. They've seen him, 236 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 4: you know, manage his offense. They see him, you know, 237 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 4: kind of operate in it within the practice, and you 238 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 4: got to think about it. 239 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:18,719 Speaker 5: He's probably going. 240 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 4: Against that one unit every single day, so he's seeing 241 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 4: all their different looks as they get prepared for it. 242 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 4: He's done the scout team stuff. And then we also 243 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 4: got to remember, Look, he's playing with John Robinson, he's 244 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 4: playing with Kyler Aljeer, he's playing with Kyle Pitts, he's 245 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 4: playing with Drake London. 246 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 5: How old are these deals? 247 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 4: They all round the same age, So guess what's that's 248 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 4: a little bit different feel than obviously where Kirk is 249 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 4: in his career. Not saying it's a bad thing or 250 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 4: whatever it may be, but this is another young guy 251 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 4: that's coming in with the same kind of oral and 252 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 4: swagger that these guys have, and they've seen his dude 253 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 4: throw it around, they've seen him play a practice. It's 254 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 4: the reason why the Falcons said, you know what, Taylor Heineke, 255 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 4: we appreciate you, but you can go some or else 256 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 4: because we've seen enough out of this guy that gives 257 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 4: us the confidence that if he needs to play, that 258 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 4: he can go in and play. And I think that's 259 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 4: a big part of it. And I think the other 260 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 4: part about it is we've talked about him being able 261 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 4: to sit and be a student and sending behind Kirk 262 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 4: for you know, since he got here when he first 263 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 4: got drafted to now there's so much knowledge that he 264 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 4: can learn. I remember my rookie year coming in and 265 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 4: send behind Michael Vick and Matt Shop, two dudes who 266 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 4: have played a lot of football. In the National Footballer. 267 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 4: You tell about one guy who's the face of the league, 268 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 4: and you can see how he prayers, and then you 269 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 4: can see a guy like Matt shab who was the 270 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 4: ultimate cerebral guy who you could tell him the first 271 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 4: part to play. He knew everything that was going on 272 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 4: for everybody. And then you know, my next year, I 273 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 4: get hurt. You got Byron left with you here, who's 274 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 4: played a lot of football, sitting in the room, seeing 275 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 4: how he prepares. My next year, they draft Matt Ryan. 276 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 4: He's sitting in that room. I'm watching how he prepares 277 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 4: for the next three or four years. And it does 278 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 4: so much for you to see how a guy goes 279 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 4: about his process throughout the week and compares himself and 280 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 4: then takes it to the field and then see it 281 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 4: in a game. 282 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 5: It's a wonderful thing. 283 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 4: And I remember also being on the sideline, even with 284 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 4: those guys who have played a lot of football, still 285 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 4: been able to give my two cents, And I think 286 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 4: that's a big part of it too, is Michael Pennock's 287 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 4: end game. Also seeing stuff and having the ability to say, 288 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 4: you know what, Kurt, you know. 289 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 5: What else I saw? Here's X, Y and Z and 290 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 5: I think that goes a long way as well. 291 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 4: So to kind of wrap it up a little bit, 292 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 4: this is a guy I think that has been put 293 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 4: in position to succeed because he's had to be able 294 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 4: to wait, he sat behind a guy who's done it. 295 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 4: He's got other guys around him who's going to absolutely 296 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 4: be excited for him, that will be boost around him 297 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 4: because of the guys similar to age, and you know, 298 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 4: sometimes that matters and these guys will find a way 299 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 4: to get it done. But I'm excited to see what 300 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 4: he can do. But I know he's got it done 301 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 4: in practice in Archie. I know you can speak to 302 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 4: it even more to the fact of what they've seen 303 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 4: in him and things they put him through. And I 304 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 4: mean people don't know he's got the camera on his helmet. 305 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 4: In practice, he can hear Kirk talk in the huddle, 306 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 4: they can see how he communication with other guy. There's 307 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 4: so many learning too that they got out here doing 308 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:05,959 Speaker 4: practice with the big boards. I mean, there's so many 309 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 4: ways that they can find a way to get him 310 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 4: better throughout practice that helps him be ready for this moment. 311 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: Arch there's this point in the season. A lot of 312 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: times when you make the move to a backup quarterback, 313 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: it's generally because the season is lost, right, and it's okay, 314 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: we're going to give this guy the backup or the 315 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: young guy, or whatever the situation of the backup. We're 316 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: going to give him some experience as we close out 317 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: the season. But there's not really a whole lot to 318 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: play for. There's still plenty of things to play for. 319 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: So quarterbacks inherently live with pressure, right, But does that 320 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: not amp up the pressure a little bit more for 321 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: Penis knowing that if Atlanta's going to get to the postseason, 322 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: they likely have to win out. 323 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 2: This guy is a different kind of cat. 324 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 5: Now. 325 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 3: I had a chance to talk to Mike a great 326 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 3: deal during the season, in the preseason, of course, and 327 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 3: then and then during the season some of our travels 328 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 3: and stuff like that. This is I asked him after 329 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 3: the Dolph game, which was this one preseason game he played. 330 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 3: I think he was nine of sixteen. He had a 331 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 3: couple of impressive throws. Moved the team, I said, I 332 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 3: interviewed him after the game. I said, you know, you 333 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 3: probably remember, I said, I said, Mike, you got your 334 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 3: first game, and I remember my first game, and I 335 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 3: know you do too. And you're thinking, were you nervous? No, 336 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 3: he goes, I don't. I don't get I don't get nervous. 337 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 3: I mean, deadpan face, I don't get nervous. I was 338 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 3: just excited and I'll get out there and lay it 339 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 3: on the line with my guys. 340 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 2: You know, I said, Okay, this guy a little different 341 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 2: dude now. 342 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 3: And so he played forty eight games in college, Okay, 343 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 3: played for two different teams. We know he finished his 344 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 3: career in Washington and what he did a back, you know, 345 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 3: Heisman runner up and all the kind of things he 346 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 3: did at Washington. This guy is is one of those 347 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 3: guys from a from a college football standpoint that comes 348 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 3: in much more prepared to play than some guys do. 349 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 3: If you were going to compare him to some of 350 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 3: his draft class, I think Caleb Williams is a really 351 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 3: good player in Chicago and will continue to be that. 352 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 3: And it's going to be that he's had some rough patches, 353 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 3: didn't play as much college football as this guy has. 354 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 3: You go to brock Purdy. Think about how much football 355 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 3: brock Purty played at Iowa State. That would be similar 356 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 3: to what this guy's done. And this guy played in 357 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 3: some big time games, obviously the National Championship game. But 358 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 3: he's a different, different kind of dude in that regard. 359 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 3: I think his relationships with the players is a good one. 360 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 3: And Shock makes a great analogy. You're kind of in 361 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 3: the same bar with them. All were watched each other 362 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 3: in college to a certain extent and know each other 363 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 3: and on. But there is going to be a learning 364 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 3: curve here. This is a short week. Remember you're coming 365 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 3: into a huge game against the Giants that you have 366 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 3: to have and he doesn't have as much as time 367 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 3: as he spent on the practice. Feel like Shock talked about, 368 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 3: he hasn't been throwing to these guys all that much, Okay, 369 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 3: And so the throws that you say saw Kirk make, 370 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 3: like down the pipe to Mooney where he made that 371 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 3: catch right at the goal line and winning the end zone, 372 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 3: you thought there was nothing that would take you there. 373 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 3: On that read is Michael probably doesn't make that throw. 374 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 3: So now does he keep the ball out of harm's way, 375 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 3: Let's hope, so, you know, but there's still going to 376 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 3: be a learning curve as to Okay, where do I 377 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 3: throw the ball for Drake on jump balls? 378 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 2: You know. 379 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 3: So there's some stuff that Kirk has been kind of 380 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 3: trying to learn about these guys for the first fourteen 381 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 3: weeks that Penny's going to have to try to cram 382 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 3: into one week and get ready or cram in these 383 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 3: last three weeks and try to win football game. So 384 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 3: to think that this is just going to be a 385 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:30,360 Speaker 3: smooth transition, it's fantasy football. That's not the way it works. Now, 386 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 3: we think, we all think that Pennis can walk in 387 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 3: there his arm the thing that I love, and you 388 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 3: tell me, shock, Now of a sudden, what is the 389 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 3: number one thing off of the Stretch Running game? That's 390 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 3: the counter off of the Stretch Running game? 391 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 5: Boot out the Back. 392 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 3: You haven't seen any of that, okay, And and some 393 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 3: of it has had to do with the limitations of 394 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 3: movement with Kirk, but they supplemented it with some offset 395 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 3: play action where he's offset and changes launch point like 396 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 3: behind the tack. Now, all of a sudden, there's probably 397 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 3: the possibility you're going to see the pocket the quarter 398 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 3: out of the out of the pocket. Remember I'm not 399 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 3: talking about, you know, back in the early two thousands 400 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 3: of Mike Vick out running pump fake and run seven 401 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 3: yards and times. 402 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 2: But I am talking. 403 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 3: About the quarterback being able to move around a little bit, 404 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 3: which kind of creates a problem defensively. Now, if I'm 405 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 3: trying to prepare, I'm the Giants, and I look up 406 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 3: and I go, now, I'm gonna have to throw tape 407 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 3: on a pennis playing in college and maybe a little 408 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 3: bit of that Miami preseason game to see if they 409 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 3: used him that way. So there's an uncertainty for the 410 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 3: Giants now to get ready to prepare for this. 411 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 1: It's a great point, and deja, I'm going to tee 412 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: you back up here in a second, because now just 413 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: think about with that simple play design that you're talking about, 414 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: right stretch run, bootleg, back off of it, playfake. Right now, 415 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 1: your backside defensive end has something completely different to think 416 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: about with Pennix under center versus Kirk Cousins then, and 417 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: I'm not even talking about a pass play here, think 418 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: about the backside cut lane for Bijon Robinson. Now with 419 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 1: a defensive end that has to respect Pennix. 420 00:18:58,280 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 5: Coming out of the backside. 421 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 1: So think about now in the run game, there could 422 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: be some more seams because you don't have a backside 423 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: defensive end crashing down to cut off the backside cutback right. 424 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: So those are the kind of things that might be 425 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: back into play here with Pennix under center. Now you 426 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: talked about transition, I wanted to talk about two players. 427 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: I want to talk about Jake Matthews and Caleb mcgarrett. 428 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: And why are we throwing those guys' names out because 429 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: we're switching from a right handed to a left handed quarterback. 430 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: So I know you didn't play tackle, okay, but talk 431 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: us through the change up a little bit. Now with 432 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: the backside being your right tackle instead of your traditional 433 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: left side, it's. 434 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 4: A little different. I think those guys will probably attack 435 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 4: it the same way. And at the end of the day, 436 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 4: you want to protect your quarterback. But there's a reason 437 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 4: left tackles make a lot of money and right tackles, 438 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 4: you know, they make a lot of money to just 439 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 4: not as much. 440 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 5: Just not as much because you got to take that 441 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 5: dude on the backside. 442 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 4: So yeah, it's going to be a different thought process 443 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 4: knowing a now I got this guy's back as opposed 444 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 4: to he can see everything in front of the One 445 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 4: thing that I do like though, when you talk about 446 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 4: Pinnix and you talk about some of the things that 447 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,479 Speaker 4: come with obviously, you know obviously the protection and all 448 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 4: that kind of stuff comes with it. And we talked 449 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 4: about that Miami game and I remember the one thing 450 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 4: calling it the Miami game, and I think me and 451 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 4: Artist talked about it and we couldn't stop smiling. 452 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 5: And because the one thing. 453 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,239 Speaker 4: We heard from day one when Raheem Morris got here 454 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,959 Speaker 4: was I want a guy as an elite processor. And 455 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 4: I remember that Miami game. 456 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 5: He gets to the. 457 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 4: Game, he goes boom boom, comes back to that backside 458 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 4: dig and you're like, oh my goodness. And we just 459 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 4: see that in game one and you talk about, Okay, 460 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 4: we said that's a long time ago, but imagine he 461 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 4: was doing that in Week one back then, he was 462 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 4: doing that way back in the preseason, and now he's 463 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:51,479 Speaker 4: had all this time to continue to grow in that 464 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,479 Speaker 4: area of being an elite processor. I think that helps 465 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 4: the protection. I think that helps your backside. When it 466 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 4: comes to Caleb mcgarrett. Now protect his backside because this 467 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 4: guy's not going to hold onto the football. This guy 468 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 4: understands that, Okay, he my first hitch, the ball needs 469 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 4: to go here. If it doesn't there, then I check 470 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 4: it down or I find my other way to go. 471 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 4: And I think we saw that early enough in his 472 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 4: professional career in the preseason that this guy understands his 473 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 4: offense already and knows where to go to football. And 474 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 4: he's had fourteen fifteen week to kind of master it 475 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 4: even more while going against the number one defense while 476 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 4: getting more reps against the scout team. Now he gets 477 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 4: a chance to put that into game action and see 478 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 4: how it goes when it really matters. And Arch mentioned 479 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 4: it he made some big time throws in the games 480 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 4: that he you know, already played in. So I think 481 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 4: this guy is going to show a lot of people 482 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:43,400 Speaker 4: exactly why he was a can't miss guy for the Falcons, 483 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 4: why they were so strong about and being so high 484 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 4: on him going out to Washington, the whole brass out 485 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 4: there and it's you know, thirty to thirty mile to 486 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 4: pron hour wins and they sit and said, that's our 487 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 4: dude right there. And I think he's going to show 488 00:21:58,320 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 4: a lot of people why they were excited about him 489 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 4: and why these past few weeks have not been in vain, 490 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 4: and he's absolutely attacked it as being your one play away. 491 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,199 Speaker 4: But also you're always preparing like you're going to be 492 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 4: the guy. And that's something that me and Archie know 493 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 4: so much about it is when you're the backup, you 494 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 4: have to be ready and prepare because you never will 495 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 4: know when that time's come. And it was always ingrained 496 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,360 Speaker 4: in my head, like, all right, you get your opportunity 497 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 4: and you're not ready for it. The only person fault 498 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 4: is that is yours. So I think this is a 499 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 4: great opportunity for him to show, you know what. Yeah, 500 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 4: there was a lot of talk about them taking me 501 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 4: at number eight, and they just got a guy for 502 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 4: one hundred and eighty million. I won't play for another 503 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 4: three years. Here we are first year one with everything 504 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 4: on the line, and you got to be ready to go. 505 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 4: So I think he'll be prepared and ready to go. 506 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 4: Like arch he talked to him a lot of this 507 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 4: guy the mindset. He has already played a bunch of 508 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 4: football second in the hot. I mean, this guy can't 509 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 4: understand the game and he will pick up on it, 510 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 4: and I expect him to go out and play well. 511 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: Arch you mentioned that this is not necessarily gonna be 512 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: Michael Vick coming in there and he's going to be 513 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: running around. I don't think that's Michael Pennix's game. I 514 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: don't think he wants to be the running quarterback, but 515 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: I definitely think he brings a different set of athleticism 516 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: to that position. 517 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 5: Question what did he run four four, four five or some? 518 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 3: Uh? 519 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 5: I mean the guy can do it now, Yes. 520 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: He can, he can. But but to throw him in 521 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: the same conversation as a left handed quarterback like Michael fall. 522 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 3: When you see a single digit and you see a 523 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 3: left handed guy, he's got a big arm like Mike. 524 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: But the question that I wanted to talk about, or 525 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: the area of the game that I wanted to talk about, 526 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 1: is I can't help but think a week and a 527 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: half ago when Falcons played against Minnesota on the road 528 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: and Sam Darnold scrambles and there ends up being a 529 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: wide open receiver down the middle of the field. An 530 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 1: area that Atlanta has not had, which is where you 531 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: get a lot of explosive plays in the National Football 532 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: League is something called scramble drill okay, and it's basically 533 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: when your quarterback keeps a play alive and the defense 534 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: has to pick. Am I going to react to the quarterback? 535 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 1: Am I going to stay plastered on the receipt? So 536 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: now arch I think about the potential things opening up 537 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: when plays break down because of Michael Pennix's ability to 538 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 1: extend plays. Now there might be more chances downfield to 539 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: find Drake, to find Mooney, to find Ray Ray McCloud. 540 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: If he just scrambles out, keeps the play alive, keeps 541 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: his eyes downfield, and cuts it loose. We know he's 542 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 1: got that athletic ability and the arm talent to make 543 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: some of those plays happen. 544 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 3: Absolutely, Rack and you hit on a big point and 545 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 3: one of the reasons that he's probably in the game now. 546 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 3: We talked a little bit about play calling and all 547 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 3: that kind of stuff, but then all of a sudden, 548 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 3: here comes a different athleticism. 549 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 2: In the game. 550 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 3: We talked about the bootleg game, and maybe that becomes 551 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 3: part of what we're doing. If you go back and 552 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 3: look at tape on Pinicks. As I studied tape and 553 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 3: I know you did too with the draft and stuff. 554 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 3: When you looked at Pinnicks when he played at Washington, 555 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 3: there were subtle things that he did, even just in 556 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 3: the tackle box, to create opportunities to throw the football. 557 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 3: He had a talented core receivers. I think what two 558 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 3: of them got drafted and the other guy is going 559 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 3: to get drafted this year. But you're talking about a 560 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 3: guy that would just subtly move and keep himself in 561 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 3: a throwing position and a lot of that is is 562 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 3: all you're looking for now if you extend the play 563 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 3: out of the pocket. Certainly we saw we've seen that 564 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 3: happen against us. We've seen it happen with with other 565 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 3: players that we've we've had a chance to call their games. 566 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 3: But I think that the subtle movement in the pocket 567 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 3: is going to be one that's something that that was 568 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 3: a little disappointing that we didn't we hadn't been getting 569 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 3: over the last couple of weeks. I think there's been 570 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 3: you know, it kind of felt like you were stuck 571 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 3: in a phone booth a little bit and you weren't moving, 572 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 3: Whereas just a step back slide. Now I'm in a 573 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 3: perfect throwing position. I can stride in and let it go. 574 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 3: You see how I need is that left hand there. 575 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,479 Speaker 3: But I think that that's something that Pinnix is going 576 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 3: to be able to do. One thing I'd add, guys, 577 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 3: is that I got asked the question, Okay, how much 578 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 3: does the game plan change? How many you do all 579 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 3: this kind of stuff? How much more time do you 580 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 3: spend with Pinnicks to getting ready to go? Shock talked 581 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 3: about it is this is what he's been doing for 582 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 3: the last fourteen weeks to get ready to play. Okay, 583 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 3: I don't think you change anything other than he's going 584 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 3: to get more reps in practice. Obviously, the bulk of 585 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 3: the reps in practice, and there's going to be maybe 586 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 3: an extra session with TJ. Yates, the quarterback coach, or 587 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 3: maybe Zach Robinson on Okay, let's look at the game plan. 588 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 2: What is it you like here? We repped this and 589 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 2: this on Wednesday and Thursday. 590 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 5: What do you like? 591 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 3: What would you like to throw out that happens with 592 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 3: every quarterback. You and I both went through that kind 593 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 3: of stuff. But I think you got to be cautious 594 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 3: about overdoing it with him because even though he's a 595 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 3: different kind of cat, doesn't get nervous, he's going to 596 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 3: sense that there's a there's an anxiety with people around him. 597 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 3: If you're doing things differently, and I think you just 598 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 3: go ahead and prepare him like you would normally prepare him. 599 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 3: He's been trust that he's been preparing for fourteen weeks. 600 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 3: Like Shaq said, Yeah, you're going to spend a little 601 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 3: extra time, maybe going to a game plan or something 602 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 3: like that, but that's it. I'm not going to plan 603 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 3: anymore in his head like, oh, everybody's all nervous about 604 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 3: me starting this game. Let him prepare the way he 605 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 3: would normally prepare, and let him go. 606 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 2: Cut it loose as you're talking, right. 607 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: The final question for you guys here this weekend, and 608 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: I don't even know what the number of the value is. 609 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 1: Maybe it's a percentage, but I'm gonna ask you DJ, 610 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: how much is the intrigue level of this game this 611 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: weekend increased for you? 612 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 5: Now? I think the bend should open the roof. The 613 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 5: roof is closed. That's not good enough. 614 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 4: I think it's going to be excitement through and through 615 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 4: in regardless of who you're playing. I think people are excited. 616 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 4: I'm excited to see him go and play. Obviously, you 617 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 4: know he's been sitting waiting and you watch him throw, 618 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 4: you watch some of the stuff he did in pre 619 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 4: seed watch stuff he's done in practice, and you're like, 620 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 4: I want to see this dude when it's really live 621 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,199 Speaker 4: and ready to go. And I think this is a 622 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 4: great opportunity for him, and it's gonna be fun because 623 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 4: I think, like, like, you're gonna get a chance to 624 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 4: open this thing up. And one thing that he is 625 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 4: known for is throwing the football vertically, and I know 626 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:56,919 Speaker 4: the fan base is gonna be excited to see the 627 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 4: football go vertical. They're gonna be excited to see the 628 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 4: ball all over the yard. And I think he's one 629 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 4: of those kind of guys that carries himself with that 630 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 4: kind of swagger in the meaning that you know what, 631 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 4: I'm just gonna go out of here and rip it 632 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 4: and see what happened. 633 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 5: So I think they got to open a roof on Sunday. 634 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: For Shure Arch. Arch has his boards and trying to 635 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: get ready to go all the game from By the way, 636 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 1: you're gonna need to switch your quarterback. 637 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 3: I got, well, I think he already put Pinicks down here, 638 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 3: but I've got I got all the notes on Pinis. 639 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 2: I've been waiting for this deal. 640 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 3: I'm gonna quote the Great Hockey Coach USA hockey coach 641 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 3: Herb Brooks when he said play your game. That's all 642 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 3: you need to say to him. Just that's the last thing. 643 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 3: I slap him on the rear and say, hey, Michael, 644 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 3: play your game. 645 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 5: So we're gonna leave it at that. 646 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: We're gonna leave it at that. 647 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 5: Fellas, first time we rip one arch, I can't you. 648 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: I'm just telling you again, no offense to Kirk Cousin. 649 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: He did some great things, as as Raheem Morris has 650 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: mentioned throughout the course of the season, to get us 651 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: to the point to where we're still in the playoff picture. 652 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: But the intrigue level to me has increased a little 653 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: bit for the game this weekend, and I wish the 654 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: best for him, because you want a kid in his 655 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: first opportunity in live bullets to go make an impression 656 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: on his coaching staff, his fellow players, and to keep 657 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: this team in the playoff hunt. So that was our quick, 658 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: not so quick breakdown, because guess what, we could probably 659 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: go for another hour and there's not a whole lot 660 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: on our rundown here. We just kind of go out here. 661 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: That's just kind of how we do it. But hope 662 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: you enjoyed a little bit of breakdown, a little bit 663 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: of breaking news of Michael Pennocks Junior being the starting 664 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: quarterback moving forward for the Atlanta Falcons and he will 665 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: be under center or shall I say behind center in 666 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: shotgun as it is so much these days in the 667 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: National Football League for the Atlanta Falcons offenses. They face 668 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: off with the New York Giants this weekend and we 669 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: will see how it all plays out, and we will 670 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: be back here next week to break it all down, 671 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: not only Michael Pennock's but the rest of the entire 672 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: roster and hopefully recapping another victory for the Atlanta Falcons. 673 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: So thanks so much for joining us here on the 674 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: Falcons Audible presented by AT and T. And as I said, 675 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: we'll be back next week to break it all down 676 00:29:55,600 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: on behalf of shock in ourch I'm rack take care of everybody.