1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk Live co host 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: Football Night in America, has done a wonderful job covering 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: the John Gruden situation. Here, let's go back to Friday, Mike, 5 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: we got the email what John Gruden said about Damorris Smith, 6 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: the head of the NFL Players Association. And I was 7 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 1: told at the time it was a slow play that 8 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: there were going to be other emails about John coming out. 9 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: But I'm wondering he was going into that Sunday game 10 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: against the Bears figuring he's going to win, He's gonna 11 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: be four and one, and maybe he's going to survive this. 12 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: What did you hear on Friday that subsequently led to 13 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: what happened last night. Well, as of Friday, there was 14 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: speculation on two different fronts. Some people thought the league 15 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: was determined to get John Gruden and that that's why 16 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: this one email out of six hundred and fifty thousand 17 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: had been leaked when it was. And the other theory 18 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: was that the perfectly timed release of that document, given 19 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: that at six pm Eastern on Friday, de Morris Smith 20 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: was subject to a vote by the NFLPA Board of 21 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: Player Representatives. He needed to have two thirds of them 22 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: say yes at a time when it wasn't quite sure 23 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: what was going to happen. There is a belief that 24 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: the league was trying to help him keep the job 25 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: because the league doesn't want a new executive director. He's 26 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: been there since two thousand and nine. They've gotten things 27 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: done and the league doesn't want that to change. So 28 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: there were two competing theories, and it's possible they're both accurate. 29 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: That the reason for the first league on Friday was 30 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: to save de Morris Smith, and then the other materials 31 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: were sent on Friday to the Raiders. We didn't know 32 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: what they were. I think what the league was hoping. 33 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: What happened is that Gruden would decide to walk away 34 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: or Mark Davis would decide to fire John Gruden without 35 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: additional documents being leaked, And when Gruden was defiant, when 36 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: Gruden showed no indication he was going to do anything 37 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: along the lines of standing down, that's when they leaked 38 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: more of these. That's how it's being played out, and 39 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: that's how people are responding to it, and it really 40 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: is stunning Dan that Bruden the metaphor I've used is 41 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: the first torpedo hit the hall, and he tried to 42 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: fix the damage when he knew, damn well, there were 43 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: other torpedoes in the water. That's when you abandoned ship. 44 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: But he waited for the other ones to hit, and 45 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: I think it made it much worse for him to 46 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: have these others come out Monday. I think if he 47 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,239 Speaker 1: walks away Friday, Saturday, or Sunday, these other ones don't 48 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: come out. Yeah, that's what I was told. But I'm 49 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: also curious about this. And we're all in agreement that 50 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,959 Speaker 1: you can't keep John Ruden as your coach when these 51 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: emails come out. And what he said in these emails? 52 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: How did the emails get leaked? Though? Mike, who's leaking? 53 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: This is an NFL investigation into the Washington football team. 54 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: I'm curious about that as well well. And this is 55 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: a subject that makes reporters very antsy because we don't 56 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: like it when people speculate on our sources. But Dan, 57 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: let's be realistic. Do we think that the Wall Street 58 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,239 Speaker 1: Journal and the New York Times were going through dumpsters 59 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: or hacking computer systems or developing top secret sources that 60 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: they met in parking garages and they didn't even know 61 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: who the person was. No, this is something someone wanted 62 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: to be made public. This was deliberately leaked. And Peter 63 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: King and I were debating this earlier this morning, not 64 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: on the show, just back and forth. How did this 65 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: get out? You know, it's possible that there was some 66 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: rogue employee of the league office that decided to do 67 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: this on his or her own after seeing the contents 68 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: of the emails. But if that's the case, we'd be 69 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: hearing that the NFL has dismayed that someone had violated 70 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: protocol and leaked these documents, because there's six hundred and 71 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: fifty thousand others that are in an underground sarcophagus, never 72 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: to be seen again. That's what's rubbing a lot of 73 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,839 Speaker 1: people the wrong way. And it's not defending bruden, it's 74 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: being fair to the fact that they managed to hide 75 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: the entirety of the Washington football team investigation. They leak 76 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: the outcome of it on the perfect possible slow newsday, 77 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: the Thursday, going into a fourth of July long weekend. 78 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: By the time we got to Tuesday, nobody cared anymore. 79 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: How in the world they have a multime month more 80 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: than a year investigation, and they don't even have a 81 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: written report. Why because they didn't want any of that 82 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: stuff to come out. But now we have an agenda, 83 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: we have a reason, we have a purpose, and we're 84 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: going to just peel off a couple of these pages 85 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: to get what we want while the rest of the 86 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: six hundred and fifty thousand emails will stay secret. That's 87 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 1: not right, and I think it's time for everything to 88 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 1: be put out on the table. So we can see 89 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: Dan Snyder's emails to Bruce Allen. I wonder what's in those. 90 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: We can see other people around the league who have 91 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: communicated with Bruce Allen. Maybe people in the league office 92 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 1: have sent emails to Bruce Allen. Let's see all of it. 93 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: You can't just see a little piece of it. It's 94 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 1: just not fair to the story to only share a 95 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: little piece of it. Is there going to be anything 96 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: that has to do with Daniel Snyder in the Washington 97 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: football team? Is this over now? Well, it's only over 98 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: if the NFL successfully turns the page like it did 99 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: in July. And I was stunned that by the time 100 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: the fourth of July weekend came and went, people weren't 101 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: continuing to pound on the table that this is wrong. 102 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: We've seen these reports that were more than a hundred 103 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: pages long. With the flake Gate and the bounty scandal, 104 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: there was all sorts of information released, the bullying scandal 105 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: with Richie Incognito and Jonathan Martin from eight years ago, 106 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: and now nothing. There's no written report, there's no information 107 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: that's going to be made available. But I think this 108 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: breathes life into that that's where the League miscalculated in 109 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: using just tiny little pieces of evidence to get what 110 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: they wanted with John Bruden and or to protect d Smith. 111 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: They've opened the door to a renewed push to say 112 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: it's only fair that we see what Dan Snyder sent 113 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: to Bruce Allen or others. It's only fair. And I'm 114 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: hearing from so many people who are readers and viewers 115 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: who are fired up about this. It tells me that 116 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: it's not going to go away anytime soon. And I 117 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: said that John is collateral damage because it felt like 118 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: the investigation is over here. Hey, we can take eyes 119 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: and ears off to the investigation and we'll just put 120 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 1: it on John Gruden. And that's what I find kind 121 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,559 Speaker 1: of hypocritical here you want to fire John Gruden. Fired 122 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: John Gruden, but be fair to one of your owners, 123 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: Daniel Snyder. And it doesn't feel like the NFL was 124 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: being fair and they weren't going to suspend John Gruden 125 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: for a couple of reasons. First of all, I read 126 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: the Personal Conduct Policy very carefully on Saturday. I don't 127 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 1: know what's in there that you could even use if 128 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: he was even employed by an NFL team. But these 129 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: emails that we had become privy too were all at 130 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: a time when he wasn't working for the NFL, and 131 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: I think they didn't make a move on him directly 132 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: because they knew his first defense would be, why are 133 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: you only focusing on on the emails I sent? Let 134 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: me see all the emails. If he had some legal 135 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: proceeding against the league, he'd be entitled to all of 136 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 1: them and see everything. And then once they're out in 137 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: the open, who knows where they end up. So I 138 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: think the league wanted to get Mark Davis to fire him, 139 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: and they were going to keep leaking emails until Davis 140 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: fired Bruden, or until Gruden walked away. And my guess 141 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: is last night when they met, Davis made it clear 142 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: to him, and this is just kind of it's just 143 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: more speculation anything else, But I think it's it's common sensical. 144 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: Davis said, Hey, if you don't quit, I'm gonna have 145 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: to fire you. So Bruten chose to quit. Okay, But 146 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: why is the NFL out to get John Gruden? Well, 147 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: John Bruden is not the kind of guy that's going 148 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: to have a lot of friends who rush to his defense. Now. 149 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: I know some people have, but for the most part, 150 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: John Gruden is a guy that the league office doesn't like. 151 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: And as someone that the league office doesn't like, I 152 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: can relate to that. But the thing is, I don't 153 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: work for the league office, and he's always complained about something. 154 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: He's always been, you know it, doesn't like this rule, 155 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: like this procedure. Openly defied the mask requirement last year 156 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: in the regular season games and was fined multiple times 157 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: for he just become a guy that they don't like, 158 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: and now they had this fall into their lap. And again, 159 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: it all may have started with this idea, we can 160 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: save de Morris Smith, but then once you start looking 161 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: more and more, you realize, hey, you know what, we 162 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: also can bring down John Gruden. And all it takes 163 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: is one person in a high position of power or 164 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: influence who doesn't like somebody, And if you've got the 165 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: ammunition that John Gruden has given to you through his 166 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: own actions, it all comes together and the dominoes fall 167 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: and John Gruden's done. He's Mike Florio Pro Football Talk 168 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: Live co host and of course contributor for NBC's Football 169 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: Night in America. Career wise, what's next for John Gruden. Well, 170 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: he's only fifty eight years old, so I don't think 171 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: he ever coaches again at the NFL level. I think 172 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: it would be hard to sell him as a college 173 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: coach somewhere, even if he have the patients to coaching college. 174 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 1: You know, he was always very good as a broadcaster. 175 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: I don't know that a network hires him but one year, 176 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: two years, three years, I don't know. But time passes, wounds, heal. 177 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 1: A lot of depends upon what he does to earn redemption, 178 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: to earn an opportunity. But you know, we've seen people 179 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 1: come back from all sorts of things, and you know, 180 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: I can't rule out anything. It all depends on what 181 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: he wants to do. He may decide I'm done with 182 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: this crap. I'm done. I've made enough money. I've reached 183 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: my limit where I can just go live my life, 184 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: and I'm just going to go live my life and 185 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 1: leave all this crap behind me. I could see him 186 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: having that attitude. I mentioned about the Colts with Carson 187 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: Wentz and the number of snaps he has to take. 188 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: The percentage that will move a second round pick to 189 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: a first round pick conditional. If you're the Colts and 190 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: you are you know, five or six wins after twelve 191 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: or thirteen games, can you see an organization tank where 192 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: you have a healthy scratch with Carson Wentz so you 193 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: keep that first undraft pick. I don't think that it 194 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: would be that blatant. I think Carson Wentz would be injured. 195 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: I think that's how they would do it. I think 196 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: it's a hard sell to your fan base if you 197 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: just fold the tents because you want to keep your 198 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 1: higher pick, although most fans would understand it. We get 199 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: into the whole integrity the game. You know, every year, 200 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: when I see the draft orders starting to lock in, 201 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 1: I say, hey, what is the team that's got two 202 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: wins doing trying to win on the final Sunday of 203 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: the season. Look what it did to the Giants. They 204 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: beat Washington a couple of years ago in a great 205 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: overtime meaningless game, and Washington got Chase Young instead of 206 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: the Giants because of it. So and the NFL will say, 207 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: oh no, no, every game has integrity, and so I 208 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: think the Cults if they did it Dan, it would 209 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: be more subtle than Hey, we're just going to bench 210 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: Carson Wentz because we don't want to give the Eagles 211 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: a higher pick. I know you've mentioned this before and 212 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: mentioned it recently. At what point do the Browns go 213 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: is Odell Beckham worth it? Like they don't need him, 214 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: like they're a running team. He's not healthy. I think 215 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: it brings out the worst in Baker Mayfield because he's 216 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: always trying to acquiesce to Odell Beckham to keep him 217 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: happy to get his touches. But do you think that 218 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: Odell Beckham is on the trade block or could be? Well, 219 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: I think I think it should be. I think it 220 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: should be, And maybe the Browns are trying to be 221 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: subtle about it. And I can't imagine Odell Beckham Junior 222 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: wanting to be there when you consider they scored forty 223 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: two points against the Chargers on Sunday, and he had 224 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 1: two catches for twenty yards and for the first time 225 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: that I can remember during his time with the Browns. 226 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: There was no question posed to Baker Mayfield after the 227 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: game about it. There was no question posed to coach 228 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski about it. He'd become an afterthought and that's 229 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: not what Odell Beckham Junior wants to be. Dan, I 230 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: think it's time for them to get what they can 231 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 1: and move on. You didn't even see on Sunday and 232 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: effort to incorporate him into the game plan last year. 233 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: Stefanski would get him. So remember the game against cow Boys, 234 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: he was running the ball, he caught a pass thrown 235 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: by Jarvis Slander. He was really involved. They know they 236 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: don't need to do that. The team has evolved past 237 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Junior. That was a John Dorsey experiment. They 238 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: need to find somebody else who thinks they are a 239 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: game breaking receiver away from being whatever it is they're 240 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: trying to be, and get the most forum and move on. 241 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: It's a fourteen million dollars salary. I think it makes 242 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: sense to move on. But if you're Aaron Rodgers and 243 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 1: you want to find out how much clout you have 244 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: in the front office. Is this where Aaron Rodgers goes, Hey, 245 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: I want to be involved in these situations. You know, 246 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: I got Randall Cobb. Now I want to go for 247 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: the big ticket item. How about we bringing OBJ. That 248 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: would be something. I don't know the Packers cap situation 249 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: off the top of my head. But again, you got 250 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 1: to absorb the balance of the fourteen million dollars salary 251 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: and you can come up, but you can create caps. 252 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: But you can wave a few magic wands and restructure 253 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: if you really want to do it. But whoever takes 254 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: on Odell Beckham Junior has to understand that you're taking 255 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: on Odell Beckham Junior. You're taking on the person owner. 256 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: You're taking on the expectation. And maybe that has died 257 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: down given the injury suffered last year and the fact 258 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: that he is basically irrelevant in Cleveland. But so much 259 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: of the problem in twenty nineteen was we got to 260 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: get the ball to OBJ. We got to get the 261 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: ball to OBJ. And no, you throw the ball to 262 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: the guy who's open. If you've focused too much on 263 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: one guy, you're going to disrupt your entire offense. So 264 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: it's got to be a team that really feels like 265 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: they need that number one receiver and they already have 266 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: it in Green Bay and Davante Adams. Great stuff, Mike, 267 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: thank you, We appreciate your time. Thanks Dan, thanks for 268 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to 269 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday morning nine to noon Eastern 270 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: or six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find 271 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: your local station for The Dan Patrick Show at Fox 272 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every day 273 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app by searching f s R. Let 274 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 1: me bring in Marcus has he covers this. This is 275 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: his job, Philadelphia Inquired columnist, and Marcus, I saw the headline, 276 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 1: not that you wrote the headline. Ben Simmons comes crawling 277 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: back to the Sixers to save money, if not face 278 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: all right, where are we in this situation with Ben 279 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: Simmons in the seventy Sixers actually did the right that headline. 280 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 1: I didn't know it would stand, but it passed Muster. 281 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: I guess you know. I think we're in a spot 282 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: where the Sixers have a guy they would like to trade, 283 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: but they would like to get value for him. And 284 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: I think the only way that happens is if Ben 285 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: Simmons actually plays games like mclovin said, and proves that, Okay, 286 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: maybe I'm a little bit better player. I will be invested. 287 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: I will be professional. Because the worst thing he could 288 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: do he did. He said, not only will I not 289 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: play hard for you and take risks on the court, 290 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: I will not be accountable for it afterward, and at 291 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: the first whiff of controversy, I'm going to take my 292 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: ball and go home. That I think Rich Paul and 293 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: Clutch Sports and Ben Simmons understand and now that he 294 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: has to rebuild his image and prove that he's worth 295 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: something because the Sixers right now probably couldn't get very 296 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: much for him at all, because what happens if he 297 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: does the same thing next year for another team and 298 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: they're in the same situation. How much of this is just, Hey, 299 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: I'm losing a lot of money and this holdout is 300 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: not working. I'd say if there were more than one 301 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: hundred percent it would. This is all about, I mean, 302 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: you have to realize who Ben Simmons is. He came 303 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: to LSU because the NBA required you at that point 304 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: to go to LSU. There weren't avenues that exist now 305 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: to avoid one year of college played indifferently, didn't go 306 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: to class and told everyone, I'm just here so I 307 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: don't get fine like markam Lynch. You know, so he 308 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: took that year. He wasted that year of his teammates time, 309 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: his coach's time, LSU scholarship money, so he get to 310 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: the point where he can make more money. He knew 311 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: he was talented, he knew he was going to be 312 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: the number one overall. Pick I said all that to say, 313 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: Ben Simmons only cares about money. That's it. He wants 314 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: to make as much money as quickly as possible. He 315 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: doesn't care who four, he doesn't care if he wins, 316 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: he doesn't care you know, how he makes it. He 317 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: just wants to make that money, be famous, be photographed 318 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: at Wimbledon, and be Ben Simmons. And it's kind of 319 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: a I guess it's kind of an indication of who 320 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: we are in our time. But it just doesn't work 321 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: in that city. I mean, there are other cities where 322 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: it can work, right, it doesn't work there. I just 323 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: can't imagine what the local reaction is going to be 324 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: that first game and like he misses a free throw 325 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: or he won't take his sheet three here, I mean 326 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: that's a tough audience, man, tough audience, Marcus. There's nowhere 327 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: like it for all four sports. That's the thing, Like, 328 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: there's nothing like the intensity and passion in Philadelphia for 329 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 1: all four sports in any any town except maybe Boston. 330 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 1: Boston's rough too. You know, he would have a hard 331 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: time selling this in Boston. But I mean, you know 332 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: that there were times when the Patriots could get away 333 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: with anything, so um, yeah, it'll be it'll be ugly. 334 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 1: But it also depends on how he comports himself over 335 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: the next couple of weeks. If he's recalcitrant, if he's humble, 336 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 1: if he is accessible, if he asks for forgiveness. Nobody 337 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: forgives like Philadelphia, especially if you're going to be in 338 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: their town. If you're going to be one of them, 339 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: then Philadelphia will take you back and worship you, maybe 340 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: more so than if you'd succeeded. I mean, if Ben 341 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: Simmons says, you know what, you guys were right, I 342 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: was wrong. I'm gonna take threes, I'm gonna help win. 343 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 1: I'll play power forward if I have to, and they win. 344 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: He'll be as popular as Nick Foles. But is he 345 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: capable of doing that? I don't know. I mean that 346 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,040 Speaker 1: he's just been such a weird kid. I remember he 347 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: was incredibly impressive at the pre draft media availability. He 348 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: made sure that he was the last person to show 349 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: up at the hotel in New York or he was 350 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: drafted to show up in the ballroom. He came with 351 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 1: an entourage, He dressed like a businessman, he acted like 352 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 1: a businessman. It was almost as if he was a 353 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: movie character. I believe that that's how he lives his life, 354 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: like he's in a movie, Like it's not real, like 355 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: there's really no accountability, and that he can do no 356 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 1: wrong because he's writing the script. So I don't know 357 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: if his script will ever include any sort of Miakulpa style. 358 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: What is his value around the league? Is that what 359 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 1: this comes down to that their teams, the rest of 360 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: the league doesn't value him the way the Sixers think 361 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 1: they should value him. Well, you have to understand the 362 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: Sixers perspective as it pertains to Joel Embiad's window. If 363 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 1: you think that Joelmbiad can win for the next three 364 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 1: to five years before his body collapses because he gets 365 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: hurt all the time, if that's his window, you have 366 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 1: to compliment him with players who are going to help 367 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: win in that window, because that's going to be it 368 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 1: for a long time. There might not be a player 369 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: in the second tier of players who can help them 370 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: win the way Ben Simmons can win right now, even 371 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: if you moved him to power forward, which is his 372 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: natural position. Anyway, you know, he's more Draymond Green than 373 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: he is Chris Paul. So all that said, the Sixers 374 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: believe they have to get a solid second piece that 375 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: could be a first piece because Joel Embid gets hurt 376 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: all the time to replace Ben Simmons, and they can't 377 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:45,360 Speaker 1: afford to take. Taking anything less would be forfeiting this window. 378 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: So yes, they overvalue Ben Simmons because of the way 379 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: they frame it is, how can we win in this 380 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: window with Joel Embid. He's Marcus Hayes, a Philadelphia inquire 381 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: a columnist or talking about Ben Simmons reporting back to 382 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: the Philadelphia seventy six ers. I've mentioned this a couple 383 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 1: of times, and maybe this has to do with their backgrounds. 384 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: Yannis comes over here. He's not pampered, he is an unknown. 385 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: He fights for everything, and he's not afraid of failure. Marcus, 386 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: like He'll go to the line and his free throw 387 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 1: shooting is worse than mine, his three point shooting is 388 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: worse than mine. But he never stops. He still keeps playing. 389 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 1: Ben has a fear of failure, being embarrassed, where Yannis doesn't, 390 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: And to me, that's a big difference in Yannis is 391 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: never going to stop. He's always trying. He plays hard, 392 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: and Bennett feels like he goes, oh, you know, I've 393 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: been pampered. I don't want to be embarrassed here. I 394 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: don't want to be on social media here, whereas Yannis 395 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: doesn't give a damn about that. Well, you hit the 396 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: nail on the head. The background is everything. Ben reminds 397 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 1: me a lot of a Kobe Bryant without the heart 398 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: he was. You know, he's an international, sophisticated, great looking, 399 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: well presented, smart guy who was raised by a professional 400 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: international professional basketball player in the lap of luxury with 401 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: a lot of fame. The difference between Kobe and Ben 402 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: is Ben thinks that he's arrived. Kobe wanted to be Mike. 403 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: Jannis wants to be the best player he can be. 404 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: I can't tell you the depth of my admiration for 405 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: Yannis watching him warm up, watching his pregame routine, watching 406 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: him airball threes and free throws. It it's just and 407 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 1: he you know, he's gonna take them in the game, 408 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: and he's gonna airball them in the game. But you know, 409 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: for Yannis, it's the next step, it's the next play, 410 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 1: It's how can I win. For Ben Simmons, it's all 411 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: about style, It's all about how do I look. It's 412 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 1: all about doing it my way because one guy spoiled 413 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: and one guy isn't. If I ask Doc Rivers and 414 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: ask him for an honest answer, do you want Ben 415 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:59,199 Speaker 1: Simmons back? What do you think? Doc says absolutely, I 416 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: mean he would love to have Ben Simmons in any 417 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: iteration because it helps win regular season games. And Doc's 418 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: a brilliant coach. I think that he thinks he can 419 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: win despite Ben simmons deficiencies, which might mean moving Ben 420 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: Simmons off the point. Again that you remember the Philadelphia 421 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,199 Speaker 1: seventy six ers did that against the Toronto Raptors and 422 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: put Jimmy Butler at the point and it worked. Because 423 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,439 Speaker 1: Ben Simmons is a gifted, powerful He's a Hall of 424 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: Fame power forward. You know you can call him an 425 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 1: All Star point guard, but he's not, you know, he's 426 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: not one of the top you know, ten point guards 427 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 1: in the league as you define true point guards. So 428 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 1: that said, I don't know, maybe not the top ten, 429 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: maybe not, maybe not the top six or seven. But 430 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: the point is Doc Rivers believes he can win with 431 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: Ben Simmons because Ben Simmons is really good. He's an 432 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: elite perimeter defender, He's an excellent rebounder, he could be 433 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: even better rebounder, as Joel embiid A mentioned, and he 434 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 1: runs the fast break almost as well as anybody in 435 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 1: the NBA, in part because it only take like Jannis, 436 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: it only takes him three steps to get from free 437 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: throw line a free throw line. So yeah, Doc Rivers 438 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: would love to have Ben Simmons back. And imagine if 439 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: Doc Rivers is the coach that wins with Ben Simmons 440 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: and breaks through with Ben Simmons. I mean, Doc Rivers 441 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: is probably a Hall of Fame coach already. This would 442 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: be you know, the cherry on top for his career. 443 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: Would you rather have Ben or Kyrie? You know, we 444 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: had that conversation a lot here in the last week. 445 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: If Ben is on your team, and shows up. He's 446 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 1: probably more valuable than Kyrie because you don't know if 447 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: Kyrie's not going to show up, and you don't know 448 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: how hard he's gonna play, and you don't know how 449 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: hurt he's gonna play. So Kyrie is the ultimate wild card. 450 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I contended when Kyrie was in Cleveland, he 451 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: Lebron James might have been the second best player on 452 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 1: that team, you know, the second most skilled player offensively 453 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 1: anyway on that team. Kyrie Irving is a special, special entity, 454 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: but he's special in other ways. To Kyrie is Kanye West. 455 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: There is and there's brilliance, but there's unpredictability and crazy 456 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 1: and calculated at the same time. Well that's the thing. 457 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 1: I'm not sure they calculate as much as we. I 458 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: think they recover sometimes and we allow them to recover, 459 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: but you know, they are so narcissistic. The world revolves 460 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 1: around them to such a degree that they completely lack 461 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: respective perspective. The same thing is true of Ben to 462 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 1: a degree and Carson Wentz here in Philadelphia. You know, 463 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 1: the utter lack of self awareness and humility among those 464 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: four people is astonishing, But again it might be a 465 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 1: sign of the times. We live in where social media 466 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: can make you a star if you're just you know, 467 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: clever with two hundred and forty characters, great insight. Really 468 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 1: appreciate your time, Marcus. Thanks for joining us, and we'll 469 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: be following. We'll be following those headlines you're writing. Thanks 470 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 1: for having me, Dan. Thanks for listening to The Dan 471 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: Patrick Show podcast. 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Listen to I Want 486 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 1: Your Flex with Mike Carmen and met Dan Buyer on 487 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast and wherever you get your podcasts. 488 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert back on the program, coming off, Well, what's 489 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: been a pretty good start for the Chargers so far. 490 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: They got the Ravens coming up, which leads me to 491 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 1: the obvious question, how much did you watch of the 492 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: Ravens last night? Justin? Yeah, I watched the entire game. 493 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: But first off, thanks for having me back again. It's 494 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: always a pleasure. Okay, what do you take do you 495 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: watch the offense? You watch the defense there and you 496 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: take notes, you watch the entire game. It's kind of 497 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: different than the film you watch just because of the 498 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: camera angles. But whatever, you can watch. Whatever you can 499 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,640 Speaker 1: pick up during the game. I think it's a bonus. 500 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: But to be able to go back and watch it 501 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: later the following day, I think it helps even more. 502 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:44,360 Speaker 1: You're listed as a dual threat quarterback, so is Lamar Jackson? 503 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: Do you feel like you're a dual threat When you 504 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: see Lamar Jackson out there on the field, I do 505 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: not have the same skill set. You're a good runner, Lamar, 506 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,880 Speaker 1: just seems like it might be just a little better 507 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 1: runner than you. Lamar's quicker, faster, stronger. You can do 508 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:09,199 Speaker 1: it all, but do you try not to run? I 509 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,719 Speaker 1: think running is an important job of the quarterback position, 510 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: and obviously not taking hits too, because I think your 511 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: ability is your availability, and as long as we're doing 512 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: our job and you can extend plays and convert third 513 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: and fourth downs, I think using the quarterbacks legs, I 514 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 1: think that's a huge part of our offense. But I 515 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 1: wonder though, when you go through your progressions, probably when 516 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: you're in college, you may not have gone through everything. 517 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: You just take off and run and rely on your athleticism. 518 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: But in the NFL you might be fast, but those 519 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 1: guys are on the other side of the ball are 520 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: pretty fast too, So like you have to have a 521 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: clock in your head or a reminder of go through 522 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: your progressions and then take off. Yeah, that's one of 523 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 1: those things that our coach, our quarterback coach last year, 524 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: Pet Hamilton, I we talked about the entire time, and 525 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: as soon as I got here, he said, everyone on 526 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 1: defense is a faster than you. And as soon as 527 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: you realize that getting the ball out quickly and going 528 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: through your reads is the most important job. Sometimes the 529 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,719 Speaker 1: pocket does break down where there's a lane that splits 530 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,880 Speaker 1: and you can find it. But other than that, it's 531 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 1: all about getting the ball out quick and finding your completions. 532 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: But when you learned to slide playing baseball, I'm good, 533 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 1: a guess, yeah, great, okay. But because there are a 534 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,919 Speaker 1: few quarterbacks that have never learned to slide, you and 535 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray and Russell Wilson seemed to be pretty good 536 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 1: because you played baseball. Some of these other guys they 537 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: have no idea how to slide. It's not an easy 538 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: thing to do. I think just having grown up playing 539 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: baseball ever since I was in kindergarten, I feel like 540 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: that's just a natural thing. And you know, Kyler and Russell, 541 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: I'm sure they played baseball growing up, and it's one 542 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: of those things that I think you just learned to 543 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: do and definitely something you have to spend time on 544 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: if you haven't played baseball. What is it about the 545 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: month of October? I don't know if you know these numbers. 546 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: Since last season in games played in the month of October, 547 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: seventeen touchdowns one interception tied for the most touchdowns a 548 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: few US interceptions among starting quarterbacks in that month, you're 549 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: tied with Tom Brady. That's a pretty good guy to 550 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: be in the conversation list. But you know, I kept saying, 551 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: don't get your hair cut because your stats are going 552 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: to drop off. And that was last year. I mean, 553 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: you paid the price. I hope you learned your lesson. 554 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: I did all. I know we've talked about that plenty 555 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: of times, and I won't make this mistake. Take me 556 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: back to when you're in grade school and you said 557 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: you're going to be a professional quarterback and you're going 558 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: to live in Los Angeles? First of all, is that true? 559 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 1: And if so, how did you come to that conclusion 560 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: so young in your life? It is true. I think 561 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: the more impressive thing is for my mom to have 562 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: kept that piece of paper from elementary school. And she 563 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: probably could have looked at it and said, you know 564 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: what this, we're not going to keep this. But she 565 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: ended up keeping it and we looked back at it, 566 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: and you know, I think it's just one of those 567 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: awesome things where if you put your mind to it, 568 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,479 Speaker 1: you can do anything. And it kind of worked out 569 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: pretty pretty well. Just so you know, you're not a 570 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: parent yet, but when you are, you know your wife 571 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: will keep everything. Just so you know, all those little 572 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: I got Valentine's Day cards from my I kept everything, 573 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: so that kind of thing. If my son wrote down 574 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: he wanted to be the quarterback for the packers, I 575 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: would have kept it, and then I would have embarrassed 576 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: him the whole time when I realized when he realized 577 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: that he was not an athlete. So, yes, mom does 578 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: keep all of those things, so and thankfully she did. Yeah. Uh, 579 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: that's good to know though, because that was definitely a 580 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: long time ago. So what do you do on a 581 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: day off? Watch film? The quarterbacks have come in and 582 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: lift and then right after that we'll watch film for 583 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 1: a couple of hours. Yeah, but that's not a day 584 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: off though, justin technically it kind of is our day off. 585 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: But you know, you have to use all the time 586 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: that you can to get advantage and get ahead of 587 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: the schedule because we don't have a whole lot of 588 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: time during the day and especially during the week, so 589 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: anytime that we can get we got to use. Yeah, 590 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: but isn't there part of you that goest I gotta 591 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: take a break from this. Um, I think you could 592 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: look at it that way. I think I love football 593 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: enough that I don't really ever want to get away 594 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 1: from it. And I think when I do have off time, 595 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: I think that's kind of the tough part is is 596 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: I need something to do. I need to watch football, 597 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: I need to play football. So it's it's kind of 598 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: weird like that. But play golf like a day that 599 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: you just do video games, like you you tell coach, Hey, 600 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to take a personal day and go play 601 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: golf or something. Doesn't work that way. Um, I don't. 602 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think maybe if you've if 603 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: you've got fifteen twenty years in the league, But yeah, 604 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: whose posters did you have on your wall growing up? Um? 605 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: I had a Joey Harrington one from Oregon. Okay, makes 606 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: sure I still have that in my room. So, um wait, 607 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles you have the Joey Okay, I didn't 608 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: know you brought you brought Joey? Uh well, anybody else? 609 00:31:55,400 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: Any other quarterback? Um No, I think that was the 610 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: only one. I think that was a picture of him 611 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: scoring on a quarterback throwback. And I think an early 612 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: Bowl game in maybe two thousand and two against Texas, 613 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: I can't remember which game it was, But now you 614 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: talked about you knew you wanted to be a professional quarterback. 615 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: When did you know you wanted to be Oregon starting quarterback. 616 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: I grew up being an Oregon fan, So maybe as 617 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: soon as I knew what football was kindergarten, first second grade, 618 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: we started going to all these organ games and my 619 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: parents would always take me, and that was kind of 620 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: always the goal. Whether that was realistic at the time, 621 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: I didn't know. I think as soon as I got 622 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: to high school and started playing and kind of started 623 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: to get some attention, I kind of realized that maybe 624 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: it was a little more realistic than I thought. He's 625 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: the Chargers quarterback, Justin Herbert. The Chargers just beat the 626 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: Browns and he threw for four touchdowns also ran for 627 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: another one. How do you explain that fourth quarter? We've 628 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: watched it a couple times, we've we've talked about it. 629 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: I don't know it. And put up thirty four points 630 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: in the second half like that, and it really was 631 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: a shootout, more of like a college football game kind 632 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: of than we imagined. But I thought it was great 633 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: for our offense to be able to answer so many 634 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: times and you know, sometimes that's the NFL, and sometimes 635 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: you're gonna give up six points and sometimes you're gonna 636 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: give up a lot of points. And it's all about 637 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: complimenting the other side of the ball. And I thought 638 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: it was a win by all three phases. On Sunday, 639 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: did you say a loo to Miles Garrett at all, 640 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: because that defensive front usually is pretty ferocious there. Yeah, 641 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: I talked with him after the game. He is tough 642 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: to block. He's about as special as it gets in 643 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 1: the combination of speed, toughness, agility. There's no one else 644 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: like him. Can you hear those guys coming now? I 645 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: think everything calms down so much noise wise, that it's 646 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: it's more all visual and and sometimes you just feel 647 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: it and you know you've got maybe one or two 648 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 1: seconds in the pocket before it collapses. So it's definitely 649 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: a tough, tough situation. Explain that feel that you have 650 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: to have in the pocket because we look at is like, 651 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:05,719 Speaker 1: you know, Brady, just it's a little movement here or there, Like, 652 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: how is that something learned or is it just something 653 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 1: in your DNA? Yeah? I think it is something you 654 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:12,839 Speaker 1: can learn. I think it's a lot of a lot 655 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: of experience and feeling that the leverage of the defender 656 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 1: and sometimes with those quick movements like you mentioned, you 657 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 1: can buy just enough time to be able to get 658 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 1: the throw off. And I think that's what Tom Brady's 659 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,359 Speaker 1: been so good at. He's got such a great feel 660 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: in the pocket that he's able to step up, avoid 661 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,320 Speaker 1: the rush and get the ball out on time. What's 662 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: been the biggest improvement for you. I think understanding the 663 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 1: offense and learning about defenses have been huge this offseason. 664 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 1: I've spent a lot of time with Shane Day, Chase Daniel, 665 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: and Easton Stay just talking about defenses on our offense 666 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 1: and having a good feel for it and so that 667 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 1: when when we go out on Sunday, you can recognize 668 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: the coverage, see the front, you can see everything and 669 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: not spend too much time worrying about it. I mentioned 670 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: this earlier. When it comes to quarterbacks and how you process, 671 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: you have to do everything and you get like fifteen 672 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 1: or twenty seconds, Send the play in, maybe send two 673 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: plays in, get to the line of scrimmage. You've got 674 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 1: to call out coverage. You gotta can you explain that? 675 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: Just let people understand that it's not as easy as 676 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 1: it appears to be, and give me real time getting 677 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 1: the play or plays and then what happens. Yeah, so 678 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,799 Speaker 1: everything is signaled in through the radio in our helmets, um, 679 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 1: and then you'll repeat the play and sometimes they get 680 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: pretty long. And so those are stuff that you've got 681 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 1: to study all week and fifteen sixteen word calls are 682 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,360 Speaker 1: definitely tough. But you go into the huddle, you repeat 683 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 1: to play, tell everyone what to do. You break the huddle, 684 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,840 Speaker 1: You see the coverage, whether you have any run tags 685 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,720 Speaker 1: or kills or alerts, you've you've got to be ready 686 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: for those. But you get up to line scrimmage, you 687 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 1: run the play and then then you do the whole 688 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 1: thing again. Okay, give me a complex play. It just 689 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: it just called in and what's it going to be? Uh, 690 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 1: last year we'd we'd go fleet right, three thirty five, 691 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: max f seam dag kill. You know, you just you 692 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: can throw on whatever you want. They get pretty long, 693 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: and it's just stuff you got to really study. Anybody 694 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: ever looked at you and not known what you're talking 695 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: about in the huddle, No, everyone else has been really good. 696 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 1: Sometimes I've messed up going and wait, how's had to 697 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,359 Speaker 1: happen that you don't know what you're talking about. There's 698 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 1: just so many plays and you got to worry about 699 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: so much, and sometimes you mess up, like whether it's 700 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 1: a tag to the Z or the F and so 701 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,759 Speaker 1: sometimes the words just get split up in your mind. 702 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 1: So that stuff your headshet ever go out a couple 703 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,279 Speaker 1: of times, and so that's when you just have to 704 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: go with a play that you know everyone can run. 705 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 1: And depending on the personnel you how you have out 706 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 1: on the field, you got to make a split decision. 707 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 1: Do you practice quarterback sneaks? We do, actually, so we've 708 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,800 Speaker 1: we've actually talked a lot about that and with Joe Lombardi, 709 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,839 Speaker 1: he's he's kind of talked a lot about how Drew 710 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: Brees has done it, and he's been really successful over 711 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 1: the years. So we've kind of implemented a lot of 712 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 1: things that he's been able to do. And Brady, I mean, 713 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,399 Speaker 1: he scores all of it. He's the king of sneak. Yeah, 714 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 1: it's it's a really tough play to stop and to 715 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 1: be able to stop that stop the run and stop 716 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,919 Speaker 1: the play actual pass um. It's not an easy job. 717 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:09,840 Speaker 1: But when you go up to the line of you 718 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,840 Speaker 1: go up to your center. Do you tap him on 719 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 1: the right or left cheek? If if you're going to 720 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 1: do a quarterback sneak. Um, it's kind of known which direction. 721 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 1: We kind of talk about that the prior to the game. Okay, okay, 722 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:23,880 Speaker 1: because so I don't want you to give way secrets 723 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 1: here that when you go to the line of scrimmage 724 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 1: and you're tapping your center on the cheek there. Do 725 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 1: people recognize you in La? Um? I don't really spend 726 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,480 Speaker 1: too much time outside of uh, you know, the building 727 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,839 Speaker 1: in my house, and um, it hasn't really been too 728 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 1: much of an issue. I don't think people care too 729 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:43,360 Speaker 1: much about it. Wait, do you have any fun? Football? 730 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,839 Speaker 1: Is fun? Showing up here to the building every day? 731 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 1: I could imagine that I could find some fun in 732 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:55,240 Speaker 1: La that it might not be my home in my office. Yeah. Fortunately, 733 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: we're about an hour south of LA so you know, 734 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,440 Speaker 1: we're kind of separated, and um, you know, I think 735 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 1: it's a great area that we're in and being able 736 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,319 Speaker 1: to spend it with the teammates and all this responsibility 737 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 1: that we have. You have to be held accountable, so 738 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 1: stay and safe. Uh congratum, I like you're you're a nerd. 739 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,399 Speaker 1: You're a grinder. Yeah, you know, you're you're you're doing 740 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 1: all the right things there. And uh and don't try 741 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:20,839 Speaker 1: to match Lamar. You know, run for run, Okay, I'll 742 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,399 Speaker 1: do my best. I'm gonna get down, I'm not gonna 743 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 1: take any hits. And and that's slide slide, just remember 744 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,400 Speaker 1: slide my chargers. Great to talk to you again justin 745 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 1: thank you very much and uh, congrat awesome, thank you again.