Speaker 1: Oil.
Speaker 2: Oh, boy boys, it's one more thing.
Speaker 3: I'm strong Andy.
Speaker 1: Two different thoughts slash topics about young men, one serious,
Speaker 1: one seriously stupid. The first one I thought this is
Speaker 1: pretty good. I've been sitting on it for a while.
Speaker 1: It's seeking to explain some of the young men nihilist
Speaker 1: alt right angry you know whatever Croyper thing.
Speaker 3: Did you see that video over the weekend of Nick
Speaker 3: Fuintes and some of those other well known influencers of
Speaker 3: that whole super aggressive male Nazi thing, And they're riding
Speaker 3: on a bus. They're going out partying and listening to
Speaker 3: the Kanye West Hyle Hitler song. Did you see that?
Speaker 2: I did not.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's really arming. So they posted it themselves. They're
Speaker 3: playing the Kanye West hil Hitler and they're all smiling
Speaker 3: and laughing and waving their hands in the air about
Speaker 3: how cool that is that they're Nazis singing the Nazi song.
Speaker 2: They are human rage bait ah yes, correct, and engagement bait.
Speaker 1: On the other hand, here is and to the extent
Speaker 1: that it's not that the people, the young men particularly
Speaker 1: who are into it and follow that. I'm I don't
Speaker 1: just want to yell at them that you're stupid. I
Speaker 1: would like to understand them. Ah so, and this is uh,
Speaker 1: let's see, this is just a short part of a
Speaker 1: long reflection on the Trump coalition and why it's cracking
Speaker 1: up a bit. And this are this author takes a
Speaker 1: look at different, you know, aspects of the support for
Speaker 1: Trump and and he turns his attention to your Nick
Speaker 1: Fuentes Tucker Carlson thing in the Heritage Foundation Delio. And
Speaker 1: he writes this, many observers still imagine this America First
Speaker 1: Revolt as a spontaneous bottom up development, young men alienated
Speaker 1: by economic and cultural collapse simply discovering isolationism and conspiratorial
Speaker 1: politics on their own. That story is half true at best.
Speaker 1: Here's where he gets to his point, what's actually happening
Speaker 1: in What's actually happened is simpler and more deliberate. For
Speaker 1: two decades, progressive institutions racialized every public discourse, taught an
Speaker 1: entire generation of boys that their skin color made them
Speaker 1: inherently suspect, and demonized the traditional markers of male identity, strength, duty, faith, family,
Speaker 1: nation as forms of toxic oppression. The result was not
Speaker 1: a political movement, but a wide spread kind of non
Speaker 1: coherent mood of distrust, and he numbers the aspects of it.
Speaker 1: One nothing works anymore. Two the system is rigged. Three
Speaker 1: the people in charge hate us and always will.
Speaker 2: Four.
Speaker 1: Everything they tell us to care about democracy abroad, allies,
Speaker 1: global leadership is just another way to bleed the country dry.
Speaker 1: That mood is real, it is raw. It is also
Speaker 1: politically malleable. I think about myself if I had been
Speaker 1: raised and schooled in that getting that message and that
Speaker 1: you know, that environment, it would end it very very badly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Because you know, if you if somebody keeps telling
Speaker 3: you over and over again, you should be upset and
Speaker 3: miserable because look at the way you're being treated, even
Speaker 3: though the reality is you live in a perfectly fine house.
Speaker 3: You got plenty of food, you're healthy, you got all
Speaker 3: the things that human beings have wanted forever. But if
Speaker 3: somebody constantly told you no, no, no, there's somebody else
Speaker 3: with more and they're keeping you from having it, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you could you you would do would twist you.
Speaker 1: Well, what about the part that I was just saying though,
Speaker 1: that you're told your piece of crap because you're masculine,
Speaker 1: and especially if you're.
Speaker 2: White, your entire life or would that leave you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, even if it's not well, if somebody's telling
Speaker 3: you that all the time, yeah, it's gonna it's gonna
Speaker 3: get into your system.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and yeah, oh my god, did we.
Speaker 1: Fall asleep at the switch letting our education system become that?
Speaker 2: Anyway, the.
Speaker 3: Aspect of the Nick Fuentes thing in that he doesn't
Speaker 3: have sex and all that is just so weird to me.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that that responds to the sexual aspect
Speaker 1: of what I was just talking about, what I was
Speaker 1: just reading about, where you know, any if you if
Speaker 1: you you know, put your hand on top of a
Speaker 1: girl's hand, that's sexual.
Speaker 2: Assault unless you've gotten her permission.
Speaker 1: And women have become militantly progressive and the rest of it,
Speaker 1: and so.
Speaker 3: And you could be discovering and kicked out of college
Speaker 3: based on her word with no uh, no investigation or
Speaker 3: anything like that, and even.
Speaker 2: Though it turns out she's a psycho batch or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah cycle wow, the technical term the uh so you
Speaker 1: would you would say the same thing about sex as
Speaker 1: you would about democracy abroad, allies, global leadership.
Speaker 2: Et cetera.
Speaker 1: It's it's I don't care about that because everybody who's
Speaker 1: been pushing that's a liar and says I'm a piece
Speaker 1: of crap.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean clearly it's true to a certain extent.
Speaker 3: Because we know the statistics on people coupling and having sex.
Speaker 3: It's just surprising to me. I mean, you can convince
Speaker 3: me that there's global this or that, but man, my
Speaker 3: desire to get some is like in my genes. You
Speaker 3: got to overcome that, right, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I wonder if the emotional beatings, because that's what the
Speaker 1: school system has been for young men, particularly young white men,
Speaker 1: It's been an emotional beating over and over again, that
Speaker 1: that might be enough to you know, end your sex drive.
Speaker 3: Well, I think we did the experiment. We've seen the result.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree. Yeah. So two things.
Speaker 1: Number one, I apologize we should have been better. And
Speaker 1: number two, I wonder if this generation will be written
Speaker 1: about like the Lost Generation and various notable generations young
Speaker 1: men through history. Almost certainly, Yeah, it'll be robots doing
Speaker 1: the writing, thanks to Elon and the crowd.
Speaker 3: But youah, add in some porn addiction and a couple
Speaker 3: other things, and then it just gets it gets bad fast.
Speaker 2: Mmm mmmm.
Speaker 1: Anyway, that's the serious part, and it depressed the crap
Speaker 1: out of me. Here's the less serious part, although it's
Speaker 1: also uneffing believable. I'm sure you've looked that. You followed this,
Speaker 1: You've seen the articles the boys breaking their bones to
Speaker 1: be hotter. In online forums for looks Maxers, teenage boys
Speaker 1: share tips on how to get jacked, sharpen your jawline,
Speaker 1: and suppress your appetite with meth.
Speaker 3: My son, my youngest, was talking about the whole jawline
Speaker 3: thing when he was like nine, has like, I'd never
Speaker 3: heard of the concept of a jaw line when I
Speaker 3: was a little tiny kid, and who's got the right
Speaker 3: jaw line and all that sort of stuff that's not Yeah.
Speaker 1: Gabriel Blank was thirteen when he became obsessed with improving
Speaker 1: his looks, and at fifteen or sixteen, he started doing
Speaker 1: facial exercises he'd learned about in YouTube videos that are
Speaker 1: facial exercise promised to give him a more contoured face.
Speaker 2: Katie, your hipped at all.
Speaker 1: This right now?
Speaker 4: These are being pushed all over social media in these
Speaker 4: different rubber balls you can bite on that make your cats.
Speaker 2: And let me get just real quick.
Speaker 1: A few years later, he started bone smashing another technique
Speaker 1: he'd learned online, which involved hitting himself in the face
Speaker 1: with a hammer one minute in each place every day,
Speaker 1: in an effort to create microfractures.
Speaker 2: In his jaw line and cheekbones.
Speaker 1: The bones were supposed to get bigger as they healed,
Speaker 1: giving him a more chiseled look.
Speaker 2: Quote. I got a permanent swelling, he told me. But
Speaker 2: it looked good.
Speaker 3: So uh. We don't like criticizing children, but I feel
Speaker 3: like a human that hits themselves in the face with
Speaker 3: a hammer. I don't know that's a.
Speaker 2: Well, it's that the crime is its own punishment.
Speaker 3: Well, and I just there's gotta be a Darwin thing
Speaker 3: there at some level, isn't it. You're a person that
Speaker 3: hits themselves in the face with a hammer.
Speaker 1: By the way, this guy I'm quoting his well known
Speaker 1: twenty five year old Swedish influencer, Okay, he started doing
Speaker 1: Massi jumps, named for a tribe of towering East African herders.
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: The only thing the twenty five year old Swedish influencer
Speaker 1: does regret is the time he injected the bottoms of
Speaker 1: his heels with highluronic acid.
Speaker 2: To make himself taller.
Speaker 3: Ooh, I give up, so yeah, mean too. Tell me
Speaker 3: more about these facial exercises, because my head, as everyone knows,
Speaker 3: is round as a basketball. It's like a perfect sphere
Speaker 3: that usually can only be created in space.
Speaker 1: But it's A Mexican drug dealer once called you not
Speaker 1: only Charlie Brown, but mister clean.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: This is true, this is true. What are some of
Speaker 3: these faces exercises?
Speaker 1: Oh? You know, I was sneezing uncontrollably. I hit my
Speaker 1: hir called to cough button. But they certainly will work
Speaker 1: well for sneezing. I wanted to finish the injecting his
Speaker 1: heels thing. It basically created a big like round thing
Speaker 1: in my heels. From what I could gather, the treatment
Speaker 1: was like implanting high heels in the soles of your foot.
Speaker 2: Quote. I was walking on my tippy toes a bit
Speaker 2: and the results didn't even last.
Speaker 1: Quote. When you walk every day with all the pressure
Speaker 1: from the ground, the filler gets flatter. I didn't want
Speaker 1: to keep injecting myself with filler all the time just
Speaker 1: to get some extra inches and inches.
Speaker 3: It couldn't have been inches, It couldn't have been multiple inches.
Speaker 2: But that's a quote from him.
Speaker 3: How much better was your life being a half inch taller, dude?
Speaker 3: Did you really notice it? Being really a fantastic worth
Speaker 3: the pain and the odd way to get there? Stop
Speaker 3: the hammering?
Speaker 1: Well, and you'd have to buy new pants, right unless, well,
Speaker 1: the short pants are kind of in.
Speaker 2: And so on. These looks masking discord chats, for.
Speaker 3: Instance, Yeah I need the face exercises.
Speaker 1: Where boys as young as fourteen exchange tips. Someone's always
Speaker 1: asking for advice and someone's always giving it. Questions range
Speaker 1: from the benign, something as simple as a request for
Speaker 1: advice on a more flattering haircut, to the alarming quote.
Speaker 1: So I started MEF like a week ago because I
Speaker 1: wanted to get hollow cheeks. But now my heart has
Speaker 1: been acting really weird again. But BPM has been randomly
Speaker 1: rising up by like thirty when I'm just chilling, I'm
Speaker 1: kind of worried. Should I get myself checked by a
Speaker 1: doctor or something. I just think this is natural selection.
Speaker 3: I'm with you.
Speaker 1: The de facto of initiation ceremony in spaces like this
Speaker 1: is to have your face bluntly rated on the PSL scale.
Speaker 1: The acronym unites the initials of three controversial early Manisphere forums,
Speaker 1: the PUA Hate, slut Hate, and Lookism. So it's the
Speaker 1: PSL scale. It's an intricate scoring system that measures everything
Speaker 1: from facial symmetry to eyebrow thickness. When I answered a
Speaker 1: look maxing forum a couple of weeks ago to begin
Speaker 1: researching this piece, one of the first posts I saw
Speaker 1: was from a fourteen year old boy who was asking
Speaker 1: to be rated brutally. He added, he was told to
Speaker 1: get a skull transplant.
Speaker 3: Geez, I've seen this on Reddit a lot, these forums.
Speaker 3: There's there's there's tons of these where you go on
Speaker 3: there and you put your face on there, or your
Speaker 3: your ass or whatever part of your body you want rated,
Speaker 3: and it's always like, I want complete honesty here, what
Speaker 3: do you think? And so your eyes are too close together,
Speaker 3: your nose is too bigger, blah blah blah blah blah,
Speaker 3: and I think and these are usually young people. It's like,
Speaker 3: who wants random idiots? Probably a hole's opinion, because who
Speaker 3: who goes on there and rates other people? Who wants
Speaker 3: that opinion in your head for the rest of your life?
Speaker 3: And what a weird thing to do.
Speaker 1: Here's the uncomfortably true part. Although this it's all craziness.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's this, there's no caveat. But in the
Speaker 1: looks Maxer's view of the world, being outstanding physically attractive
Speaker 1: is outstandingly physically attractive is the only path to a
Speaker 1: successful career or a good social life. It's also the
Speaker 1: only way to get a girlfriend. In these forums, men
Speaker 1: seem to accept the idea that women are hypergammus by nature,
Speaker 1: meaning they are hardwired to date only the most attractive men,
Speaker 1: but in the past, before women's rights, their lack of
Speaker 1: power forced them to settle for lesser males. In other words,
Speaker 1: a few guys are the only guys getting laid on
Speaker 1: dating sites, which we've heard over and over again is true.
Speaker 3: So if I chew on the rubber balls, what's that
Speaker 3: going to do for me? Katie? About my round head?
Speaker 3: I got to help my jaw line or.
Speaker 2: Chairs old jaw. You got the big jaw the movie Jaw.
Speaker 4: Apparently it enhances the muscles along your jaw line. That
Speaker 4: I saw another contraption that looks like headgear from when
Speaker 4: you wore braces, and it goes under your jaw that
Speaker 4: you have to open it it's supposed to work the muscles.
Speaker 1: In the other way, big jaw muscles, because that's the key.
Speaker 1: It's not just the bone structure or you're born with. Well,
Speaker 1: that's why you get a hammer yourself with a hammer, right. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you know lifting weights, if you do it right,
Speaker 1: the up and the is. The down is as valuable
Speaker 1: as the up if you do them slowly. So that's
Speaker 1: what the jaw thing is. So I'm getting the down
Speaker 1: pressure on the rubber balls, and then I need some
Speaker 1: are they chomping down? And then I need that the apparatus,
Speaker 1: the apparatus I wear on my head that I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna start wearing around because that'll definitely help me get dates.
Speaker 1: I'll wear this head apparatus that'll help exercise the opening
Speaker 1: of the mouth, so then closure will be the balls
Speaker 1: opening will be and pretty soon on big muscular jawline.
Speaker 1: And imagine how much better on my.
Speaker 3: Life would be.
Speaker 1: Well, then do your massage jumps and get a little
Speaker 1: taller and you'll be in tall clover. So here's the
Speaker 1: insidious part of this, and it's as old as time.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at a picture of a couple of these guys.
Speaker 1: They're like ridiculously good looking, the Swedish guys all right,
Speaker 1: who are selling the idea that you not only can
Speaker 1: you look like them, but you must look like them.
Speaker 3: I would say, though, because you know, as I mentioned,
Speaker 3: I've spent some time on some of these dating websites,
Speaker 3: and I'm sure that statistically it is true the best
Speaker 3: looking dudes are having lots of promiscuous sex in you know,
Speaker 3: one night stance. But for the people who are actually
Speaker 3: on there looking for a boyfriend or a girlfriend, there's
Speaker 3: tons of women who say, looking for a dad bod,
Speaker 3: don't need to be I mean, I see that a
Speaker 3: regular more than you would think. It's more a regular
Speaker 3: guy who's nice to me. You see that sort of
Speaker 3: thing a lot.
Speaker 4: I hear that sort of thing from my girlfriend.
Speaker 3: Zach a lot.
Speaker 2: Perfect man. It's a shame I'm on the bench. Really.
Speaker 1: Anyway, let's end on a lighter note, shall we. So
Speaker 1: this one influencer, dude clav which is short as Clavicular,
Speaker 1: Oh God, He's made the news a couple of times
Speaker 1: in recent months, partly in one he allegedly hits someone
Speaker 1: with a cyber truck during live stream.
Speaker 2: Which is neither here nor there.
Speaker 1: A few days later, he appeared in an interview with
Speaker 1: The Daily Wires Michael Knowles, who was aghast when Clav
Speaker 1: told him he'd vote for Gavin Newsom over JD Vance
Speaker 1: because the California Governor moggs, well, the vice president is
Speaker 1: sub human. Subhuman is the very bottom tier of the
Speaker 1: Looks maxim community's elaborate scale of male attractiveness. The other
Speaker 1: categories are low tier, normy, mid tier Normy, high tier normy,
Speaker 1: Chad light, and at the top Chad oh Man. Imagine
Speaker 1: being subhuman and dreaming of chadhood all the day long.
Speaker 3: You got a chew on the rubber balls. That's what
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do starting today. I'm gonna get to come
Speaker 3: those bouncy balls, like out of the thing you get gumballs,
Speaker 3: and then the one next bounce guy like a plastic ring,
Speaker 3: and then the one next to it's got the rubber balls.
Speaker 3: You bounce when you start chewing.
Speaker 2: Subhuman.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're on your way. I'm on my way, just
Speaker 3: working on my job. Here there you go, it's your hammer.
Speaker 2: You just doing his my side jumpings.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I guess that's it. Son, your mom and
Speaker 3: I want to talk to you stop hitting yourself in
Speaker 3: the face with a hammer.