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Speaker 1: are you? Oh? Terrific, and we're really glad you had

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Speaker 1: But we're also civil libertarians. We cherish our our civil

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of talk about reforming police departments, defunding

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Speaker 1: Hey do you guys use the card restraint at all?

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Speaker 1: They're they're calling it a choke hold in the media

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Speaker 1: because the media is bad at their jobs. But um,

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Speaker 1: what's the policy and Sacramento on that we did up

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Speaker 1: to last weekend and we banned it last weekend. How

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Speaker 1: are interesting? Well, I tell you what, we need good

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Speaker 1: cops desperately. And Daniel Hans Segmento police chief does not

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Speaker 1: dodge questions. His uh, his department as transparent as you

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Speaker 1: can hear, and the chief. We appreciate the time very much.

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Speaker 1: Let's stay in touch. Thank you, appreciate it, keep up

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Speaker 1: the good work. Appreciate it. Ye Ah, that's that's a

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Speaker 1: good cop right there. Um. And we've been talking about

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Speaker 1: this throughout the show. If you're just doing in there

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Speaker 1: are some good ideas, there are some provocative ideas out there,

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Speaker 1: how to improve policing, how to reform you know, what

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Speaker 1: needs to be reformed, and making sure that it's easy

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Speaker 1: enough to get rid of bad cops the rest of it.

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Speaker 1: Um And and I think any thinking, feeling Americans should

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Speaker 1: be pretty enthusiastic about that that discussion because it's really

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Speaker 1: really important. But the extremists and the nut jobs who

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Speaker 1: fund the police, and if you're not with us, you're

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Speaker 1: a bad person of racist or all. We have to

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Speaker 1: reject that thinking. Number one, it's not gonna get us anywhere.

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Speaker 1: It's just gonna make everything worse. And and and number two,

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Speaker 1: it crowds out the really good smart idea. Yes, So

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Speaker 1: that was a good chat. I hope you enjoyed that

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Speaker 1: Daniel Hahn of Sacramento, California, Armstrong and Yetti