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<v Speaker 1>A new installment in the Monster franchise is coming November seventeenth.

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<v Speaker 1>A decade ago, filmmaker Josh Zeman was on the hunt

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<v Speaker 1>for the country's most elusive serial killer, one who left

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<v Speaker 1>nearly a dozen bodies along the beaches of Long Island.

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<v Speaker 1>While he got close to catching him, it wasn't until

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three that authorities finally made an arrest. The

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<v Speaker 1>troubling part is the answers were there all along, hidden

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<v Speaker 4>I can remember it so clearly. Actually, it was a Sunday,

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<v Speaker 4>and my sister Jacqueline and I went to visit on

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<v Speaker 4>mom's place near Mont's, and that afternoon Jacqueline took a bath.

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<v Speaker 4>I can still picture it and her saying, it feels

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<v Speaker 4>good to take a nice bath, so relaxing.

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<v Speaker 2>December twenty second, nineteen ninety six will forever remain etched

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<v Speaker 2>in the memory of Jeangeese Leclaire. That day, she and

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<v Speaker 2>her sister Jacqueline got together at their mother's house near

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<v Speaker 2>the city of mons And, Belgium for a little pre

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<v Speaker 2>Christmas get together.

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<v Speaker 4>Jacqueline didn't bring a change of clothes, so I lent

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<v Speaker 4>her some That evening. I suggested she should stay at

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<v Speaker 4>my place, but she didn't want to. She really wanted

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<v Speaker 4>me to take her home that night on the road

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<v Speaker 4>back to her place. We agreed to speak the following

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<v Speaker 4>day to plan something for Chris as a family.

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<v Speaker 2>The short trip back to Jacqueline's place in the center

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<v Speaker 2>of Moss took about ten minutes. She lived in a

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<v Speaker 2>small third floor apartment in a relatively quiet street for

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<v Speaker 2>a busy city.

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<v Speaker 4>So at around eight pm I dropped her off in

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<v Speaker 4>front of her apartment. I remember it was really cold

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<v Speaker 4>and dark. Her street wasn't well lit at all. So

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<v Speaker 4>to reassure her, and to reassure myself as well, I

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<v Speaker 4>told her I would stay in the car until she

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<v Speaker 4>was sitting inside. She didn't seem scared. She got out

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<v Speaker 4>of the car and opened her front door, and then

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<v Speaker 4>she waved at me and then went inside.

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<v Speaker 2>What Georgette didn't know then was if this would be

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<v Speaker 2>the last time she would ever see her sister. Jacqueline

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<v Speaker 2>one of several disappearances in nineteen ninety six and ninety

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<v Speaker 2>seven in the Belgian city of mass that would become

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<v Speaker 2>one of Europe's most horrifying cold cases, linked to a

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<v Speaker 2>mysterious and sadistic serial killer.

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<v Speaker 5>A cab mysteriously as sexuality.

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<v Speaker 6>The rest the disappearance of a woman from Monts Jacqueline Class.

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<v Speaker 5>The condition of the victims was sickening, and the question remains,

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<v Speaker 5>where is the killer?

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<v Speaker 2>From Tenderfoot TV and iHeart Podcasts, I'm your host Matt

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<v Speaker 2>Graves and this is Lea Monstre Season two, The Butcher

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<v Speaker 2>of Moss. Yes, I've just arrived at the central station

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<v Speaker 2>in Moss after an easy one hour train ride from Brussels,

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<v Speaker 2>where I've lived since the summer of ninety five. It's

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<v Speaker 2>been thirty years since I moved here from Austin, Texas,

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<v Speaker 2>but I vividly remember living through this case as it

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<v Speaker 2>began to unfold in nineteen ninety six. It was terrifying,

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<v Speaker 2>and to a certain extent it still is, because decades later,

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<v Speaker 2>the case has never been solved. I've traveled down to

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<v Speaker 2>Mass today with Xavier de com, a private investigator who's

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<v Speaker 2>helped me on other cases. Xavier has an uncanny ability

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<v Speaker 2>to find things in people and to approach hard questions

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<v Speaker 2>from different angles. On this first trip, our goal is

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<v Speaker 2>to get our heads around the case and immerse ourselves

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<v Speaker 2>and how events actually unfolded. From the ground level. Mass

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<v Speaker 2>is a charming city in southern Belgium, just four miles

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<v Speaker 2>from the northern border of France. You can see the

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<v Speaker 2>remnants of the Middle Ages all around the densely packed center,

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<v Speaker 2>just a stone's throw away from where Xavier and I

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<v Speaker 2>are walking right now. We're here to meet with Morgan

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<v Speaker 2>van Leaherberg, an author who studied Jacqueline Leclaire's case extensively.

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<v Speaker 2>After a short walk in the pouring rain, we meet

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<v Speaker 2>at a cafe near the train station. Morgan is a

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<v Speaker 2>font of knowledge about this affair. You'll hear another voice

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<v Speaker 2>in the background who would prefer to remain anonymous given

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<v Speaker 2>his previous role in this sensitive case. We brave the

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<v Speaker 2>weather and make our way towards the last place Jacqueline

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<v Speaker 2>was seen before she disappeared on the twenty second of

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<v Speaker 2>December nineteen ninety six. So we're standing in front of

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<v Speaker 2>Jacqueline's apartment.

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<v Speaker 7>It's really quite a little desolate area here, actually, and

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<v Speaker 7>there's not much happening. Her street's very quiet or very small,

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<v Speaker 7>and you can picture it at night on a winter evening,

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<v Speaker 7>the other being extremely dark, and we're kind of almost scary.

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<v Speaker 2>Morgan got to know and interviewed Jacqueline's sister, Georgette, whose

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<v Speaker 2>words you heard voiced in English at the beginning of

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<v Speaker 2>the episode, so I asked him what she told him

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<v Speaker 2>about that night she dropped off Jacqueline.

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<v Speaker 8>She waited for Jacqueline to go inside and waited until

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<v Speaker 8>she saw her turn the light on in the apartment.

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<v Speaker 8>We are certain that Jacqueline went into her apartment at

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<v Speaker 8>that moment, but when she was dropped off, she was

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<v Speaker 8>wearing her sister's clothes because she didn't have any clean

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<v Speaker 8>clothes after taking a bath at her sister's house. And

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<v Speaker 8>Georgette told me that it could have been possible that

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<v Speaker 8>since she was working all the next week and Christmas

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<v Speaker 8>was coming, she could have gone to the laundromat right

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<v Speaker 8>here next to her apartment that night to do laundry.

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<v Speaker 2>Jacqueline's sister never gave up looking for the truth. Sadly,

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<v Speaker 2>she passed away in twenty twenty two with out of

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<v Speaker 2>her finding answers. All of her testimony that you'll hear

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<v Speaker 2>in this series is based on word for word translations

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<v Speaker 2>of her statements and interviews voiced in English. Already, starting

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<v Speaker 2>from the day after she dropped off Jacqueline in front

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<v Speaker 2>of her small apartment where Morgan and I are standing

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<v Speaker 2>right now, she knew something was wrong. Here are Georgette's words.

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<v Speaker 4>On the next day, December twenty third, Jacqueline was supposed

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<v Speaker 4>to call me or my mother, but she didn't. That's

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<v Speaker 4>when we realized something was wrong. It was from that moment,

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<v Speaker 4>from that lack of contact the next day, that the

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<v Speaker 4>nine mayre began for me and for my mother.

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<v Speaker 2>Jacqueline and her sister were planning to spend Christmas together

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<v Speaker 2>in two days. Having heard nothing from her sister, Jeanchette

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<v Speaker 2>began to worry.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't go to the police because well, I thought

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<v Speaker 4>they would make us wait like ten days before starting

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<v Speaker 4>a search. So I decided I search for my sister myself.

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<v Speaker 4>I started with the family, checking with her ex husband

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<v Speaker 4>and also around the area where she lived.

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<v Speaker 2>After several days of desperate searching, her family finally went

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<v Speaker 2>to the police and Jacqueline was added to the national

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<v Speaker 2>database of missing persons. The initial investigation consisted of a

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<v Speaker 2>cursory search of her apartment, interviews with family members, and

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<v Speaker 2>her records review. Eventually, her case made the local news.

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<v Speaker 5>Luzy Mvitabricado, dispar and now the disappearance of a woman

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<v Speaker 5>from Monte Jacqueline le clerk thirty three years.

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<v Speaker 4>Old will come at dich Chateau.

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<v Speaker 9>This young woman has short, light brown hair and blue eyes,

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<v Speaker 9>five feet three inches tall with a normal build. She

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<v Speaker 9>is French speaking.

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<v Speaker 2>According to her sister, Jacqueline was apprehensive about something in

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<v Speaker 2>the time leading up to her disappearance, so much so

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<v Speaker 2>that she felt the need to protect herself.

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<v Speaker 4>One of the last time I saw her at Mom's

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<v Speaker 4>house in early December, when I took her jacket from

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<v Speaker 4>the coat rack, I felt something in one of her pockets.

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<v Speaker 4>It was a big nail. She grubbed it and said, see,

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<v Speaker 4>I have something to defend myself if someone comes after me.

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<v Speaker 2>By all accounts, Jacqueline Leclaire was a kind and pleasant person.

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<v Speaker 2>Why would this quiet mother of four feel the need

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<v Speaker 2>to walk around with a big nail in her pocket

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<v Speaker 2>for protection? Jacqueline was turning the page on a difficult

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<v Speaker 2>time in her life. To fully understand her situation, we

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<v Speaker 2>have to take a step back. Jacqueline and her older sister, Georgette,

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<v Speaker 2>had a great relationship despite their seven years of separation.

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<v Speaker 2>Growing up, Georgette always took care of her little sister

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<v Speaker 2>and loved her dearly. They were raised in a middle

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<v Speaker 2>class family unit with loving parents. Jacqueline always had a

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<v Speaker 2>cool big sister who looked after her. In her early

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<v Speaker 2>teenage years, however, tragedy befell the family. Her father fell

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<v Speaker 2>ill with thrombosis and could no longer work. He couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>stand the thought of not providing for his family and

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<v Speaker 2>sank into a deep depression. When Jacqueline was only thirteen,

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<v Speaker 2>her father committed suicide. This drastically changed the course of

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<v Speaker 2>her life. Their family unit was broken. Her sister, Georgette,

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<v Speaker 2>was twenty years old at the time. She had already

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<v Speaker 2>moved out of the family home and started her life

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<v Speaker 2>as a young adult, But as a young teen, Jacqueline

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<v Speaker 2>was lost. Such an awful tragedy during these crucial formative

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<v Speaker 2>years changed the course of her life.

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<v Speaker 4>When our Fada died, Jacquelinette grew up quickly. She wanted

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<v Speaker 4>to be independent. She married a guy named Angelo at

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<v Speaker 4>a very young age. Mum wasn't in favor of the marriage.

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<v Speaker 4>At first. It seems nice to me, but I changed

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<v Speaker 4>my mind later. Angelo was dishonest and positive of Jacqueline.

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<v Speaker 2>Jacqueline and Angelo had two children. While Jacqueline was still

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<v Speaker 2>a teenager and then two more. In her early twenties,

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<v Speaker 2>her life transitioned abruptly from a girl with loving parents

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<v Speaker 2>to a young teenager with children and a dominating husband. Unsurprisingly,

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<v Speaker 2>there was tension in the marriage.

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<v Speaker 4>She loved her children very much, but she was overwhelmed

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<v Speaker 4>by the events at marked her life. The situation quickly

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<v Speaker 4>spiraled out of control, and she and Angelo separated. When

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<v Speaker 4>she disappeared, they were in the process of divorcing and

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<v Speaker 4>it wasn't going well. Angelo was greedy and he wouldn't

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<v Speaker 4>let her go. When things didn't go his way he

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<v Speaker 4>could become viable.

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<v Speaker 2>I asked Morgan what he knows about the relationship between

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<v Speaker 2>Jacqueline and her ex husband Angelo. At the time, the.

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<v Speaker 8>Jacqueline quickly fell in love with Angelo, who was very dominating.

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<v Speaker 8>They had children and she became a housewife. According to Sister,

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<v Speaker 8>Angelo was violent with her. She was unhappy and living

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<v Speaker 8>a dreadful life. She tried to leave him several times,

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<v Speaker 8>but when he wanted to he could always get her back.

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<v Speaker 8>But at one point he found a new woman who

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<v Speaker 8>was quite similar to Jacqueline, and so he left her

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<v Speaker 8>and she found herself alone, and at that point she

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<v Speaker 8>really lost her footing. She spent some time in psychiatric

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<v Speaker 8>care because she was devastated, but at the time she disappeared,

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<v Speaker 8>she was just starting to get her life back under control.

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<v Speaker 2>Georgette and many others, including some in law enforcement, suspected

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<v Speaker 2>that Angelo could have been behind Jacqueline's disappearance. The difficult

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<v Speaker 2>end to their rocky relationship had left its marks, and

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<v Speaker 2>according to her sister, Jacqueline felt threatened by Angelo after

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<v Speaker 2>the separation. He was never arrested or charged with any involvement,

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<v Speaker 2>and to this day he refuses to talk about the case.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't really have much to go on now

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<v Speaker 2>that both of her parents and only sibling have passed away.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a short video of Jacqueline that was taken

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<v Speaker 2>not long before her disappearance. She's looking into the camera

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<v Speaker 2>and smiling shyly. She's very pretty, with beautiful skin and

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<v Speaker 2>delicate features. Her eyes are friendly but cautious, and she

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<v Speaker 2>seems slightly uncomfortable to be filmed, but at the same

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<v Speaker 2>time flattered to be the focus of the camera. Morgan

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<v Speaker 2>showed me other pictures of Jacqueline that her sister shared

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<v Speaker 2>with him. She's often dressed down with a tomboy look.

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<v Speaker 2>Her sister explained that she tended to hide her beauty

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<v Speaker 2>to avoid unwanted advances. As I look at these pictures

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<v Speaker 2>in this video, I find myself asking what did those

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<v Speaker 2>kind eyes staring back at me see that no one's

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<v Speaker 2>been able to figure out. As the investigation continued, police

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<v Speaker 2>got access to Jacqueline's bank information, and they discovered a

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<v Speaker 2>troubling detail. There had been two failed attempts to use

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<v Speaker 2>her debit card at the ATM located near her apartment,

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<v Speaker 2>at approximately one am the next morning. When her sister

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<v Speaker 2>learned about this, it jogged her memory and she recalled

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<v Speaker 2>that during the drive back to Jacqueline's apartment that night,

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<v Speaker 2>she'd mentioned that she wanted to go check the state

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<v Speaker 2>of her accounts at the ATM, but her sister convinced

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<v Speaker 2>her to wait until the next morning because it was

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<v Speaker 2>already dark, and Jacqueline agreed and went directly into her apartment.

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<v Speaker 2>On the one hand, it made sense that Jacqueline could

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<v Speaker 2>have visited the ATM as she mentioned it to her

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<v Speaker 2>sister on the way home that night. On the other hand,

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<v Speaker 2>it makes no sense at all that she would have

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<v Speaker 2>forgotten her pen code, leading to the failed transactions. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>it would seem to indicate that her disappearance could be

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<v Speaker 2>linked to some sort of robbery. Hey, don't expect the contact.

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<v Speaker 2>We're back in the center of Mons with Morgan van

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<v Speaker 2>Laerberg in front of the apartment where Jacqueline was last seen.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to understand the location of this atm where

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<v Speaker 2>we have the last potential sign of life from Jacqueline.

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<v Speaker 2>So now we're going to time the.

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<v Speaker 7>Walk from Jacqueline's house to her atm, where she might

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<v Speaker 7>have forgotten cash, but where.

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<v Speaker 2>Her bank card was used apparently two times or refused

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<v Speaker 2>two times that night. So we're going to do the timing,

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<v Speaker 2>don't uh. The walk from Jacqueline's apart to the ATM

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<v Speaker 2>in question cuts across several apartment blocks mixed with commercial buildings.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of a rough neighborhood, and I'm told that

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<v Speaker 2>it was rougher than it is today back in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety six, especially at night. I try to imagine myself

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<v Speaker 2>in Jacqueline's shoes making this trip at one o'clock in

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<v Speaker 2>the morning on a cold and dark December night. Honestly speaking,

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't see it. Her sister said she was

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<v Speaker 2>tired that night, she'd already eaten and taken a bath

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<v Speaker 2>and gotten back to her apartment. It was freezing cold

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<v Speaker 2>and dark, and it's a dangerous route. After about a

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<v Speaker 2>six minute walk, we arrive at the spot where the

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<v Speaker 2>ATM was located in nineteen ninety six.

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<v Speaker 8>Okay, we're arriving where the attempts to use her bank

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<v Speaker 8>card happened at around one in the morning on the

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<v Speaker 8>twenty third of December. The particularity is that it's not

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<v Speaker 8>well situated. It's in a dark area, out of view.

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<v Speaker 8>There was a surveillance camera on the ATM machine, but

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<v Speaker 8>it was out of order at the time, unfortunately, as

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<v Speaker 8>it could have helped answer a number of questions.

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<v Speaker 2>It's incredibly frustrating that the surveillance camera of the ATM

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't working that night. That footage would have given us

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<v Speaker 2>concrete information about those transactions. Without it, were left to

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<v Speaker 2>speculate on if they played a part in her disappearance

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<v Speaker 2>or not. The ATM no longer exists. As we stood there,

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<v Speaker 2>soaked to the bone in the freezing rain, me with

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<v Speaker 2>my headphones and several other guys staring at a brick wall,

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<v Speaker 2>we definitely got some funny looks from passers by. The

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<v Speaker 2>street next to the ATM had a number of abandoned

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<v Speaker 2>buildings that had been inhabited by squatters and probably drug dealers.

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<v Speaker 2>Back in ninety six. Apparently there was another serious crime

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<v Speaker 2>involving this ATM, where two men burglarized and murdered a

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<v Speaker 2>person in their apartment nearby and used the victim's debit

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<v Speaker 2>card to withdraw cash.

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<v Speaker 5>Here.

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<v Speaker 2>This underscores how dangerous this area was at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>As you heard at the top of the episode, this

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<v Speaker 2>case is still unsolved. I wouldn't be trapsing around this

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<v Speaker 2>rough neighborhood soaked of the bone in the freezing rain

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<v Speaker 2>of late November if it wasn't important. I'm convinced the

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<v Speaker 2>disappearance of Jacqueline Leclaire holds the keys to the entire

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<v Speaker 2>story which will follow. After the two failed attempts at

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<v Speaker 2>the ATM, around one am on December twenty third, Jacqueline's

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<v Speaker 2>timeline goes cold. She didn't show up her work on

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<v Speaker 2>the following day. From the very beginning, Georgette became convinced

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<v Speaker 2>that someone abducted her sister. She constantly retraced her steps.

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<v Speaker 2>The night she dropped Jacqueline off recalled conversations and racked

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<v Speaker 2>her brain to search for any details that might serve

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<v Speaker 2>as cloes.

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<v Speaker 4>During the police search of my sister's apartment, I was

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<v Speaker 4>present as a witness. There is one detail that disturbed me,

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<v Speaker 4>not at the time, but later. I remember a pack

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<v Speaker 4>of cigarettes, dark in color from a brain I didn't recognize,

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<v Speaker 4>laced near the window where she would smoke when the

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<v Speaker 4>weather allowed it. I'm certain that my sister didn't smoke

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<v Speaker 4>that Bran and I remember there were cigarettes bats in

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<v Speaker 4>the ash tree, a lot of them. Jacqueline was in

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<v Speaker 4>the habit of leaving them lying around in her apartment.

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<v Speaker 4>She didn't like the smell of stale tobacco. If Jacqueline

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<v Speaker 4>had someone over that evening, they could have been the

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<v Speaker 4>perpetrator's cigarettes.

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<v Speaker 2>At the time, the police were merely investigating the disappearance

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<v Speaker 2>of an adult woman, one of over thirty thousand estimated

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<v Speaker 2>missing persons in Belgium in the mid nineties. They didn't

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<v Speaker 2>consider testing the cigarette butts left behind, even if they had.

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<v Speaker 2>DNA testing in Belgium was still in its infancy at

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<v Speaker 2>the time. Another missed opportunity with the benefit of hindsight,

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<v Speaker 2>the author Morgan von Laerberg followed up extensively with Jacqueline's

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<v Speaker 2>sister about this pack of cigarettes. She was one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>percent sure that they couldn't have been Jacqueline's. If not,

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<v Speaker 2>then whose were they. Jacqueline was extremely private and didn't

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<v Speaker 2>regularly have people over to her apartment. If we assume

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<v Speaker 2>they belonged to the person responsible for her disappearance, it

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<v Speaker 2>would mean that she must have known the perpetrator. In

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<v Speaker 2>terms of possible suspects, this would tighten the profile considerably

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<v Speaker 2>and lower the probability that this was a crime of opportunity.

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<v Speaker 2>As the new year arrived and winter's icy grip began

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<v Speaker 2>to fall, Jeorgette refused to give up on her sister.

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<v Speaker 2>She took matters into her own hands, creating missing Persons

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<v Speaker 2>posters and tirelessly plastering them throughout the neighborhood and in

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<v Speaker 2>places where Jacqueline was known to frequent. One of these

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<v Speaker 2>places was Jacqueline's favorite spot for a quick bite to eat,

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<v Speaker 2>a small fast food restaurant near the central train station

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<v Speaker 2>of Moss, the same station where Xavier and I arrived

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<v Speaker 2>this morning. After visiting Jacqueline's apartment and the atm where

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<v Speaker 2>a card was refused. We've now come full circle back

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<v Speaker 2>to the central station. We're standing in front of a

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<v Speaker 2>small fast food restaurant that Jacqueline was known to frequent.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about a ten minute walk from her apartment. I

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<v Speaker 2>can imagine thirty years ago Georgette canvassing this area, missing

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<v Speaker 2>person's posters in hand, desperate to find answers. It's quite

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<v Speaker 2>possible that at that time she crossed paths with Jacqueline's

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<v Speaker 2>abductor or his next victim. On March sixteenth, nineteen ninety seven,

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<v Speaker 2>just under three months after Jacqueline's disappearance, another young woman vanished,

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<v Speaker 2>this time from right outside of this very same restaurant.

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<v Speaker 2>She was standing on this sidewalk waiting for her friends

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<v Speaker 2>who were inside ordering food to go. I wonder if

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<v Speaker 2>she saw one of Jacqueline's faded missing person's posters plastered

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<v Speaker 2>in the window moments before she too vanished without a trace.

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<v Speaker 2>The fragile sense of safety and mass would forever be changed,

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<v Speaker 2>replaced by a frenzy of panic and feart.

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<v Speaker 6>There was a macabore and mysterious discovery of body parts,

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<v Speaker 6>apparently dismembered with a saw. According to investigators, partial remains

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<v Speaker 6>of three women were found in trash bags in Quem

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<v Speaker 6>near Mons.

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<v Speaker 5>It was really a crazy time in Belgium. I mean

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<v Speaker 5>stories were breaking every day.

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<v Speaker 9>Good afternoon. In Havrey, near Monts, two garbage bags containing

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<v Speaker 9>human remains were discovered. The body parts are currently at

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<v Speaker 9>the Forensics Institute in Liege for examination. The similarities with

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<v Speaker 9>the three cadavers discovered in Quem fifteen days ago are flagrant.

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<v Speaker 9>Investigators believe it is the same perpetrator, Peter.

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<v Speaker 5>There had never been a serial killer like this in Belgium,

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<v Speaker 5>much less in Monts, and now we had the most

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<v Speaker 5>grotesque story ever.

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<v Speaker 3>We felt like we were in the presence of someone

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<v Speaker 3>who was going to the grave with with nightmarish secrets.

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