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Speaker 4: I can remember it so clearly. Actually, it was a Sunday,

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Speaker 4: and my sister Jacqueline and I went to visit on

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Speaker 4: mom's place near Mont's, and that afternoon Jacqueline took a bath.

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Speaker 4: I can still picture it and her saying, it feels

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Speaker 2: December twenty second, nineteen ninety six will forever remain etched

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Speaker 2: in the memory of Jeangeese Leclaire. That day, she and

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Speaker 2: her sister Jacqueline got together at their mother's house near

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Speaker 4: Jacqueline didn't bring a change of clothes, so I lent

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Speaker 4: her some That evening. I suggested she should stay at

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Speaker 4: back to her place. We agreed to speak the following

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Speaker 2: The short trip back to Jacqueline's place in the center

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Speaker 4: So at around eight pm I dropped her off in

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Speaker 2: What Georgette didn't know then was if this would be

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Speaker 2: one of several disappearances in nineteen ninety six and ninety

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Speaker 2: seven in the Belgian city of mass that would become

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Speaker 2: one of Europe's most horrifying cold cases, linked to a

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Speaker 5: A cab mysteriously as sexuality.

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Speaker 6: The rest the disappearance of a woman from Monts Jacqueline Class.

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Speaker 5: The condition of the victims was sickening, and the question remains,

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Speaker 2: From Tenderfoot TV and iHeart Podcasts, I'm your host Matt

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Speaker 2: Graves and this is Lea Monstre Season two, The Butcher

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Speaker 2: of Moss. Yes, I've just arrived at the central station

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Speaker 2: in Moss after an easy one hour train ride from Brussels,

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Speaker 2: where I've lived since the summer of ninety five. It's

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Speaker 2: but I vividly remember living through this case as it

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Speaker 2: Mass today with Xavier de com, a private investigator who's

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Speaker 2: are walking right now. We're here to meet with Morgan

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Speaker 2: van Leaherberg, an author who studied Jacqueline Leclaire's case extensively.

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Speaker 2: After a short walk in the pouring rain, we meet

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Speaker 7: It's really quite a little desolate area here, actually, and

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Speaker 8: She waited for Jacqueline to go inside and waited until

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Speaker 8: We are certain that Jacqueline went into her apartment at

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Speaker 8: Georgette told me that it could have been possible that

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Speaker 2: Jacqueline's sister never gave up looking for the truth. Sadly,

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Speaker 2: her finding answers. All of her testimony that you'll hear

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Speaker 4: On the next day, December twenty third, Jacqueline was supposed

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Speaker 2: Jacqueline and her sister were planning to spend Christmas together

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Speaker 4: I didn't go to the police because well, I thought

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Speaker 2: After several days of desperate searching, her family finally went

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Speaker 2: cursory search of her apartment, interviews with family members, and

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Speaker 5: Luzy Mvitabricado, dispar and now the disappearance of a woman

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Speaker 9: This young woman has short, light brown hair and blue eyes,

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Speaker 2: According to her sister, Jacqueline was apprehensive about something in

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Speaker 2: the time leading up to her disappearance, so much so

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Speaker 4: One of the last time I saw her at Mom's

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Speaker 4: house in early December, when I took her jacket from

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Speaker 4: It was a big nail. She grubbed it and said, see,

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Speaker 2: By all accounts, Jacqueline Leclaire was a kind and pleasant person.

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Speaker 2: Why would this quiet mother of four feel the need

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Speaker 2: for protection? Jacqueline was turning the page on a difficult

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Speaker 2: have to take a step back. Jacqueline and her older sister, Georgette,

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Speaker 2: Growing up, Georgette always took care of her little sister

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Speaker 2: and loved her dearly. They were raised in a middle

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Speaker 2: sank into a deep depression. When Jacqueline was only thirteen,

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Speaker 4: When our Fada died, Jacquelinette grew up quickly. She wanted

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Speaker 4: She loved her children very much, but she was overwhelmed

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Speaker 4: it wasn't going well. Angelo was greedy and he wouldn't

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Speaker 2: I asked Morgan what he knows about the relationship between

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Speaker 8: Jacqueline quickly fell in love with Angelo, who was very dominating.

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Speaker 8: Angelo was violent with her. She was unhappy and living

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Speaker 8: But at one point he found a new woman who

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Speaker 2: that Angelo could have been behind Jacqueline's disappearance. The difficult

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Speaker 2: So I don't really have much to go on now

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Speaker 2: It's incredibly frustrating that the surveillance camera of the ATM

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Speaker 4: During the police search of my sister's apartment, I was

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Speaker 2: At the time, the police were merely investigating the disappearance

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Speaker 2: She took matters into her own hands, creating missing Persons

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Speaker 2: The fragile sense of safety and mass would forever be changed,

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Speaker 6: There was a macabore and mysterious discovery of body parts,

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Speaker 5: It was really a crazy time in Belgium. I mean

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Speaker 9: Good afternoon. In Havrey, near Monts, two garbage bags containing

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Speaker 9: the three cadavers discovered in Quem fifteen days ago are flagrant.

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Speaker 9: Investigators believe it is the same perpetrator, Peter.

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Speaker 5: There had never been a serial killer like this in Belgium,

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Speaker 3: We felt like we were in the presence of someone

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Speaker 3: who was going to the grave with with nightmarish secrets.

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