WEBVTT - Anger is an Energy 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.560 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to WIKA F Daily with 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:20.160 Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Bunker, Folks. UM, 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:24.640 I want to start off with some energy that I 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:27.360 will that I will say that I have been receiving 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:32.160 on social media. Um. I said yesterday that over the weekend, 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:36.159 I had joined MSNBC for you know, a couple of shows. 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:40.400 One of the clips I posted on my Instagram and 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:42.239 the other one will I will post later on in 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:47.200 the week. But one particular segment is getting a lot 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:51.480 of attention, and it was a segment that I did 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:57.480 with reverenel on his show Politics Nation, and it was 0:00:57.520 --> 0:01:00.800 with regard to Elon Musk and the fact that he 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:04.280 wanted to buy or at least rumors state that he 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:07.720 wanted to buy Twitter for you know something forty something 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:12.360 billion dollars because he wanted to create a town hall 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:18.760 town square that where he believes that freedom of speech 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:22.440 would reign supreme, that anyone could say anything at any point. 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:26.640 And that is completely and totally fine, because, as I 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:29.880 said yesterday, he doesn't want to follow anybody's rules. He's 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:33.920 a rich, famous white man in America in the world, right, 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:38.280 and he doesn't feel like he needs to subscribe to 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:42.280 anybody's norms or values or morals. He can create his own, 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:44.319 He can buy his own, He can buy fucking people 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:48.600 if he so chooses right. And you know, I have 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:51.400 said before I fucking hate Elon Musk, and I'll say 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:55.160 it again. I think that he is a transphobe. I 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:57.200 think that he is a bigot. I think he's a 0:01:57.240 --> 0:01:59.280 fame who are I think that there are a list 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:02.240 of things that I can say about Elon Musk that 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:05.160 makes him a detestable human being. And I don't really 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:08.280 care how wealthy he is. I don't really care how 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:11.080 famous he is and how he gets to tap dance 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:13.760 into every room, because you know, by virtue of fame 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:16.760 and wealth, you're labeled a genius. And it doesn't matter 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:20.480 if you're actually a bastard, if your character doesn't match 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:24.480 up right to the inventions that you have done. People 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:28.280 can be both, and you know, we're layered complex people. 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:31.440 And just by virtue of being a quote unquote genius 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:35.079 or whoever labels you as such, doesn't mean that you're 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:38.280 a good person. It doesn't mean that, frankly, millions of 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:41.840 people should fucking follow you But what I realize about 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:45.240 this dust up and people wanting to come for me 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:47.840 on social media and tell me that I'm stupid, that 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:50.799 I don't know what I'm talking about, that I'm uneducated, 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:54.640 and how dare I come for their fucking deity? I 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:59.880 think to myself, you know what the addiction to fame 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:06.320 and to wealth, that what it has done to our society, right, 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:11.280 Like we have Donald Trump because of reality TV, Right, 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:14.480 because of the fact that people love the idea of 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:18.000 this famous man being on television telling people that you're 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:21.520 hired or you're fired after I put them through a 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:25.440 million obstacles and tests that he's never had to go through. Right. 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:28.240 So this is the thing too that pisses me off. 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:30.919 And somebody had written about this recently where they were 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:33.400 just like, why is it that we look on the 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:36.840 cover of Forbes magazines and the Wall Street journals and 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:41.840 these places, and we interview celebrities who and wealthy people 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:46.760 who were born into said celebrity and said wealth, and 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:50.280 then we're able to capitalize on already having a name, 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:54.160 already having money, already having a brand, right and then 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:57.320 be able to do want to, you know, extraordinary things 0:03:57.320 --> 0:04:00.680 with it. Well, if you were born with a fucking 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:03.240 silver spoon in your mouth, if you were born with 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:06.600 unlimited access, where do you think that you would be? 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:11.280 I would much rather see the front pages of these 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:14.720 business magazines and innovation and all of these things with 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:18.719 people that actually came from nothing, right, or people who 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:23.360 came from a working middle class family, right, who were 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:29.839 then able to turn into something extraordinary. Those are stories 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:32.599 that I care about, And what I realize is that 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:37.880 America loves any story. Right? Did we put Kylie Jenner 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:42.039 on the cover as the youngest self made billionaire? Is 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:47.520 Kylie Jenner really a self made billionaire? She's not self made? 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:51.440 She was born into one of the most if not 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:55.040 now when she was born, it was a famous family, right, 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:59.479 The Kardashian Jenner clan were a famous family. You're one 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:04.599 of your arns was the most famous Olympian of their time. Right. 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:08.680 The other one was married to a famed you know, 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:15.479 Beverly Hills, la lawyer. Right. So I get the fact 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:17.680 that you were able to take the wealth and the 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:20.560 notoriety that you had to be able to come up 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:23.520 with an idea where doors open for you because of 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:26.599 your name, because of your reality TV show, and you 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:29.960 were able to manufacture these things and then figure out, 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:33.800 through virtue of your brand and your social media reach 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:37.560 to become a billionaire. But can we tell the fucking 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:41.120 truth about these people, like the entire truth. I'm not 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:45.200 taking away your business acumen, but to say that somebody 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:49.240 is self made to say that, to equate genius, right, 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:52.800 to say that Elon Musk is a genius and somehow 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:56.359 that makes him worthy of being able to say whatever 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:59.680 he wants, whenever he wants, to whomever he wants, regardless 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:03.200 of the harm that it causes. Right. Because here's the 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:04.960 thing too, This is the thing. If I were to 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:09.600 do a then diagram between those who want no encroachment 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:14.839 whatsoever on guns and then those people who want no 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:19.719 encroachment whatsoever on free speech, I guarantee you that what 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:23.280 would be in the middle would be a Trump supporter. Right. 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:25.640 I want to be able to say as much vile 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:28.839 and hateful shit as I can because that is my 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:32.120 liberty and my freedom. The rest of you be damned. 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:34.359 And then on the other hand, I want to be 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:37.599 able to carry my AAR fifteen into a fucking Starbucks 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:41.000 because that long rifle makes me feel like a man. Right, 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:45.280 So you know, I think that it is important for 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:49.440 us to interrogate the reactions that people have when you 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:53.919 go after their self made deities. Right when you have 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:59.679 the audacity to challenge the billionaires and the famous people 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:03.600 in the world for wanting them to do better with 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:08.320 the platforms that they have. Right, Like you know, Elon Musk, 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:13.559 by way of skirting around rules and regulations, his life 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:16.720 is fucking monopoly. He can just buy up whatever he 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:20.280 wants and people don't care about the consequences of that. 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:24.200 They just get to fill their pockets right and walk away. 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:26.400 They don't think to themselves, Hum, what would it be 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:29.880 like if an Elon Musk were to run Twitter? Right, 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:33.800 somebody with no morals and a clear hatred in your 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:38.200 heart for trans people in the LGBTQ community and black 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:41.280 people and other marginalized people that you love to make 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:45.120 fun of because you can, right, Because nobody's ever gonna 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:48.920 you know, blacklist you or turn you away. Right, you're 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:51.200 the one that gets to go to the UN and say, 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:53.200 you know, I could give you money for X, Y 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:55.160 and Z, but you need to come up with a 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:58.480 report for me to prove why you're worthy. This is 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:01.080 the world that we are living in where you can 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:05.120 commodify any fucking thing, and I just you know, I 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:10.000 want us to have ask more fucking questions. Frankly, have 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:15.480 more consideration. One of my favorite lines, which can really 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:19.640 go through pretty much anything. I think you can apply 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:24.120 it to anything, was in the original Jurassic Park. And 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:29.600 in the original Jurassic Park you have what is his name? 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:32.120 I need to look it up because I want to 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:36.199 get his name right. My God, did you know that 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:40.800 that film was from nineteen ninety three? Jesus anyway, Jeff 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:44.600 Goldbloom's character, he's one of the scientists that is brought 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:47.960 to this island where they have decided that they can 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:51.119 bring back these dinosaurs to life. And what an amazing 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:55.080 attraction it will be not taking into consideration right, as 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:59.319 his character would say, Ian Malcolm, the scientist, you know, 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:04.319 you never stopped in the midst of realizing that you 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:09.440 could do something to ask yourself whether you should right. 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:15.400 Just because you can right have the ability to bring 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:20.640 back a dinosaur, you know, man's biggest predator does not 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:26.040 mean you should do it right. And so by virtue, 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:28.360 when I think about social media, I'm thinking about just 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:33.840 because Elon Musk has the ability to buy Twitter, to 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:37.360 buy the space right where initially it was thinking about 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:43.120 ways in which we could democratize people's voices, people's impact. Right, 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:46.480 Like the whole point of social media if we all remember, 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:50.560 way way way back when was about connecting other people. 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:54.200 What does it mean if we're able to connect right 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:57.280 and you know, you think about the good side, the 0:09:57.400 --> 0:10:01.800 way that we're able to right now follow the war 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:06.959 in Ukraine and follow it in real time, not just 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:11.560 on television but across all social media platforms. The ability 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:13.760 to be able to donate to people, to be able 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:17.160 to help to raise awareness, all of these things. But then, 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:20.000 of course you don't think about the downside. What is 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:23.679 it done to our youth and their opinions of themselves, 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:27.760 their self esteem, their emotional and mental well being. We 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:30.839 are always in such a rush to do the next 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:34.160 great thing that we don't stop to say, should we 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:38.560 should we be doing these things? Should Mark Zuckerberg be 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:42.800 allowed to fucking buy up social media companies and create 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:47.640 one big giant conglomerate. How does that measure up against 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:51.120 our anti trust laws that we haven't updated, you know, 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:55.800 since the invention of the fucking telephone. So you know, 0:10:56.080 --> 0:11:01.200 I had spent you know, a little time going back 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:04.200 and forth with these clowns on Twitter, and then I 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:08.000 realize I don't actually give a fuck, right, y'all are 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:12.160 not going to take my energy? Right, my joy, my nothing. 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:15.040 You don't like what I say, don't fucking listen. That's 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:18.440 the that's the beauty, right. You don't like what I tweet? 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:21.480 You don't like that people have me on TV? Don't watch? 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:25.680 You know, they are a myriad of Joe Rogan wannabes 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:28.640 and Tucker Carlson wannabes that you can go and connect 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:31.839 with and love up on right and have nobody ever 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:36.880 question the why behind things. But I do. That is 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:39.720 my job, That is my passion and what I believe 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:44.280 my purpose to be. So if you have not seen 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:49.960 the clip of me on MSNBC talking about Elon muss By, 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:54.760 all means go through my Twitter feed because it's filled 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:58.640 with hay to raid at this At this moment, folks, 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:01.480 I want to switch gear as I get ready to 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:14.000 introduce today's interview. We are living in extraordinary times. In 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:19.880 a couple of months, Rovie Wade will be overturned after 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:25.000 close to fifty years of existence. So fifty year olds 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:29.200 right now, do not ever remember a time when you 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:32.720 weren't able to get an abortion in this land of 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:37.840 the free, home of the brave. There was also a 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:41.080 time when you know, women couldn't apply for credit cards 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:45.600 without their husband's approval or their fathers. I'm pretty sure 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:47.839 Republicans would like to take us back to that place 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:51.240 as well, where women and people with uteruses know their 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:54.760 place right, and their place is not in control of 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:58.079 their own bodies, not in control of their own futures. 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:02.600 Because that's really what this is about, right. The ability 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:07.640 to have an abortion, to have one safely, is the 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:11.280 ability to take your life, your future into your own hands, 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:14.560 to be able to make the decision about how, when 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:18.360 and if you want to be a parent. Because here's 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:21.800 the thing, it's not as if the Republican Party is 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:24.960 offering up for you all of the wraparound services and 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:28.160 the aid that you would need. Right if you are 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:32.760 saying a person that is in a low wage job, 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:38.559 who already has multiple mouths to feed and now realizes 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:45.520 that they are pregnant right and cannot afford it, it's 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:47.800 not as if Republicans are coming out and saying we 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:51.719 believe in families so strongly that we are going to 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:56.880 make pre K universal right, that we are going to 0:13:56.960 --> 0:14:01.520 subsidize your child's daycare, that we are going to ensure 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:05.200 that they have the most robust public education possible, and 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:08.439 that our schools are going to be community hubs because 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:13.280 we're going to provide you know, breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Right, 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:17.880 that you're going to have free healthcare for your children. No, No, 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:23.960 it's Democrats that offer all of those things that Republicans 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:27.760 try and short change and block right, because government can't 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:29.480 be the answer to everything, but it can be the 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:35.640 answer to whether or not you can be apparent. Because 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:42.080 now we are a country that believes enforced labor right now, 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:47.440 we are a country that believes that government shouldn't have 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:51.720 responsibility over anything but be able to dictate how, when, 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:55.280 and if you have a family. We just this week 0:14:56.520 --> 0:15:00.240 had a federal judge Trump appointed judge who the American 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:05.800 Bar Association says was unqualified stripe down mask mandates on 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:10.080 public transportation. Republicans don't give a fuck about your health. 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:13.720 They don't give a fuck about your wellness, right, but 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:16.320 they want to talk about liberty and safety. They want 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:18.320 to know. They don't talk about safety, let me let 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:20.800 me not misspeak. They want to talk about liberty and 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:26.320 freedom because to them they are bumper stickers. They have 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:31.000 no real meaning behind it, just for their ability, their 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:36.479 liberty and their freedom to oppress, to dictate the outcomes 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:41.000 of everyone else's lives. That's what they want. But do 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:44.960 you see we never challenge them in the town square, right. 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:48.360 We want to fight them with facts and statistics as 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:52.040 opposed to the emotion which leads most of our policy. 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:57.760 So coming up next is a conversation that really did 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:02.200 get a bit emotional for myself and my guest, Emily Wales, 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:07.840 who is the interim CEO of Planned Parenthood in Great Plains, 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:11.440 and she will talk about what they are up against. 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:16.440 She will provide real life stories right of the fact 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:19.240 that while the rest of the country is bracing for 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:22.880 the end of Rob Wade, she will illuminate from me 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:26.240 and hopefully all of you that Rob Wade has long 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:30.239 been overturned in many red states that have one abortion 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:38.280 clinic in an entire state. Right. So we will talk 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:41.240 about Oklahoma, we will talk about the Supreme corp. But 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:45.760 most importantly, we will talk about the real lived, the 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:51.080 real lived and real life implications for the decisions that 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:55.520 will be coming down in June. That conversation, dear friends 0:16:55.640 --> 0:17:01.800 is coming up next, Folks. I am very happy to 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:05.719 welcome to Okay f Daily for the very first time 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:10.399 Emily Wales, who is the interim president and CEO of 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:14.720 Planned Parenthood in Great Plains. Emily, you know, thank you 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:17.920 so much for making the time, because I can imagine 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:22.919 that your calendar is quite full these days. Can you 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:27.040 give us some perspective, just how are you feeling right 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:34.239 now with the the onslaught of anti abortion legislation, of 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:38.879 anti abortion sentiment. Give us give us your feeling on 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:42.399 where you are right now. Yeah, thanks so much for 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:46.320 having me. Um. It's a hard question to answer. I 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:48.959 think how I'm feeling. It does feel a little bit 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:52.960 like we have been in this crazy sprint since September 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:57.680 when our Oklahoma centers started getting overwhelmed with Texans and 0:17:57.760 --> 0:18:02.720 we modified our operations were the number of patient slots 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:06.440 and visits and flying physicians. And now in the middle 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:10.600 of this race, the legislature and the governor have thrown 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:13.480 up this giant barrier and potentially blocked us from providing care. 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:17.560 So I don't know. I think our team is really 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:21.520 struggling to figure out how we serve patients the best 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:23.639 we can and try to prepare them right now that 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:26.800 they may schedule an appointment and not actually get care 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:29.720 with us and have to go somewhere else. So it's 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:33.080 a it's a pretty overwhelming moment. You know. One of 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:37.040 the things I had seen recently and spoke about on 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:39.560 the show was a report that came out. I guess 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:45.080 a report had started on women in Texas, and you know, 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:50.160 the report had said that basically forty five of people 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:53.800 in Texas that are trying to get abortions were going 0:18:53.840 --> 0:19:00.640 across state lines into Oklahoma, and if half more, almost 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:03.760 half of those people were headed to Oklahoma. And now 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:08.240 what we are seeing from the governor is that they're 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:12.160 not only doing an outright ban, they are also criminalizing. 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:16.000 So can you speak to how we have seen because 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:21.520 I feel like this is beyond what happened pre Roe V. 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:27.560 Way like this is beyond nineteen seventy three. The opposition 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:32.959 is moving into a place of criminalization of care. So 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:37.320 can you speak to that? Yeah, you're absolutely right. I 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:40.560 think the goal is not to be as restrictive or 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:43.399 as secretive as a post roal world, but to be worse. 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:46.560 And there are things about the bills signing this week, 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:49.320 the governor actually joked about arresting Texans on the state 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:51.480 line and said, oh no, this will take this law 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:53.040 will take care of that. We won't even need to 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:55.119 arrest them now because they can't get care of here. 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:59.200 There is a level of I think glee on the 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:02.920 Republicans side at seeing this crisis that they are creating, 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:05.920 and they're tripping over themselves to do it. You know, 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:08.480 we have one band that's been signed and three or 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:11.560 four other bands that are moving, and we anticipate potentially 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:14.160 he'll sign all of them and we'll end up with 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:16.880 a total band, a thirty day ban, a six week band. 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:20.199 It is hard to understand what the end game is 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:24.399 except for I think scaring patients on our side and 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:27.359 getting all kinds of political points and you know, a 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:31.119 rally among their anti choice supporters. That's what this is, 0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:34.439 you know. And the word glee, I'm really happy that 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:37.080 you that you brought that up, because I think that 0:20:39.040 --> 0:20:42.840 the viciousness and the cruelty that is attached to these 0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:47.960 bills doesn't speak to the excitement right that we are 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:54.159 seeing from their rallies, that we're seeing from these governor signings. 0:20:55.320 --> 0:21:02.000 And what are you hearing from patients, whether they're you know, 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:05.240 is still coming into office or via email or phone. 0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:10.520 What is the sentiment that they that they are expressing. Yeah, 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:13.520 I think the really heartbreaking thing about this for us 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:15.760 is that we had patients pretty early on in this 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:18.520 crisis say to us, I got pulled over on my 0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:21.960 way from Texas and I lied to the officer about 0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:25.240 where I was going. You know, I'm not drunk, I 0:21:25.280 --> 0:21:27.280 was going too fast whatever the issue was, but I 0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:29.280 felt if I told him I was getting an abortion, 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:32.440 maybe I would be arrested. And the Texas law does 0:21:32.480 --> 0:21:35.439 not have criminal effects, but people are scared and they 0:21:35.480 --> 0:21:38.000 don't understand it, and so then to have the governor 0:21:38.040 --> 0:21:40.760 make jokes about that, it just shows how far removed 0:21:40.760 --> 0:21:43.320 to you is from the experienced people are having on 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:45.760 the ground. They do feel like they can't tell their 0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:48.600 family and friends where they're going, even though some of 0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:50.720 us will say, oh, my partner would be supportive or 0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:52.840 my mom would be supportive, But I don't want to 0:21:52.840 --> 0:21:55.280 put them at risk by telling them that I'm seeking 0:21:55.320 --> 0:21:57.640 abortion care, so I didn't say anything, and I came 0:21:57.680 --> 0:21:59.919 by myself and I'm trying to figure out how I'm 0:22:00.040 --> 0:22:05.600 to get home, Emily, What are the emotional repercussions of that? 0:22:06.160 --> 0:22:11.360 Because this, you know, I talk to abortion activists all 0:22:11.400 --> 0:22:16.200 the time. I try and actually make it a regular 0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:19.439 part of topics that I cover on the show, because 0:22:19.480 --> 0:22:23.600 I think that it is so incredibly important to like 0:22:23.880 --> 0:22:27.560 initially with about reducing stigma. Now it is it's it's 0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:32.800 so much bigger than just reducing the stigma. What do 0:22:32.840 --> 0:22:37.000 you think that the emotional effects are? What are you seeing? 0:22:37.800 --> 0:22:42.320 You know, with regard to this deep fear. We have 0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:46.560 patients who are I think, barely making it to us 0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:49.720 because of the strain of getting care, the emotional anxiety 0:22:49.760 --> 0:22:53.240 of not telling anyone feeling like what they're doing is criminal, 0:22:53.320 --> 0:22:55.960 even for those who need it for medical reasons. Right. 0:22:55.960 --> 0:22:57.560 We have patients who come to us and say, my 0:22:57.640 --> 0:23:00.960 doctor advised that I get to Oklahoma. I shouldn't have 0:23:01.000 --> 0:23:02.959 to hide this, and you shouldn't know, patients, you have 0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:06.719 to hide it. But we are worried about what's happening 0:23:06.720 --> 0:23:10.119 with our patients, and we have changed, you know, before September. 0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:15.200 Most patients could get to us, even with the restrictions 0:23:15.200 --> 0:23:17.040 in place in our states. They could figure out how 0:23:17.080 --> 0:23:20.439 to navigate themselves there. And now what we're seeing is 0:23:20.440 --> 0:23:24.199 really the opposite. Most patients cannot without a significant amount 0:23:24.200 --> 0:23:27.040 of support. Where we are helping make their hotel rooms, 0:23:27.200 --> 0:23:31.480 we're helping figure out gas cards, we're helping explain state restrictions. 0:23:31.520 --> 0:23:35.240 Because I think that even the emotional toll of adding 0:23:35.240 --> 0:23:38.480 on the logistical elements in their in their journey to 0:23:38.480 --> 0:23:41.200 get care is too much. And so we're trying to 0:23:41.320 --> 0:23:44.640 live where we can alleviate all of those additional barriers. 0:23:44.640 --> 0:23:46.359 We're trying to do that. So all you have to 0:23:46.400 --> 0:23:50.120 do is focus on getting an appointment, getting in your car, 0:23:50.520 --> 0:23:52.240 getting on the road, and then we will take care 0:23:52.240 --> 0:23:53.959 of everything we can for you once you get here, 0:23:54.200 --> 0:23:57.359 because it is too much for people to handle. And 0:23:57.480 --> 0:23:59.720 I think about you know, like you just said that 0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:03.720 that people are not even sharing with their loved ones, 0:24:03.760 --> 0:24:06.199 with their families, with their friends. I mean part of 0:24:06.240 --> 0:24:09.760 that being, if you're coming from Texas, the vigilante aspect 0:24:09.800 --> 0:24:12.960 of it, right, If you let me tell you something, 0:24:13.000 --> 0:24:15.080 and this was one of the things that I first 0:24:15.119 --> 0:24:17.560 thing that I thought about when Abbott rolled out this bill. 0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:22.160 I said, if people are in a place of economic desperation, right, 0:24:23.480 --> 0:24:28.120 which more Americans than not these days find themselves, right, 0:24:28.800 --> 0:24:32.080 and you're looking and you're saying, ten thousand dollars, ten 0:24:32.119 --> 0:24:37.639 thousand dollars can be fairly life changing, right, And so 0:24:37.880 --> 0:24:41.159 if if so and so won't find out that it 0:24:41.200 --> 0:24:44.679 was me that made the call, right, then you know 0:24:44.800 --> 0:24:49.159 it's a collection day, and I and so it's in 0:24:49.280 --> 0:24:52.400 thinking about that. It's said it like, do you believe 0:24:53.600 --> 0:24:57.240 that part of this is part of this operation that 0:24:57.320 --> 0:25:03.600 Republicans are doing across the country, is about turning neighbor 0:25:03.680 --> 0:25:11.720 against neighbor, is about like seating this distrust. Absolutely. I 0:25:12.760 --> 0:25:15.600 think at first there's a part of me that thought 0:25:15.640 --> 0:25:18.160 this was just the most creative approach. Right. There has 0:25:18.200 --> 0:25:22.040 been a race to the bottom. What is the most restrictive, outrageous, 0:25:22.480 --> 0:25:25.119 attention grabbing version of the law we can create, And 0:25:25.160 --> 0:25:27.200 there is an element of that here. But I also 0:25:27.240 --> 0:25:32.840 think it does capture this sort of individualistic, sovereign citizen 0:25:33.240 --> 0:25:36.520 perception people have on the conservative side in this moment, Right, 0:25:36.520 --> 0:25:39.400 we are not a collective community. We're not thinking about 0:25:39.440 --> 0:25:41.560 what other people in our world want. We're just thinking 0:25:41.560 --> 0:25:43.520 about what we can get and what we think they 0:25:43.520 --> 0:25:45.840 should do. And that's exactly what this bill does. It 0:25:45.880 --> 0:25:47.919 just says it empowers me to decide what care you 0:25:47.920 --> 0:25:50.240 should get or you shouldn't get, and I get to 0:25:50.240 --> 0:25:52.480 turn you in and maybe make some money off of it. 0:25:54.320 --> 0:25:57.199