Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to WIKA F Daily with
Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Bunker, Folks. UM,
Speaker 1: I want to start off with some energy that I
Speaker 1: will that I will say that I have been receiving
Speaker 1: on social media. Um. I said yesterday that over the weekend,
Speaker 1: I had joined MSNBC for you know, a couple of shows.
Speaker 1: One of the clips I posted on my Instagram and
Speaker 1: the other one will I will post later on in
Speaker 1: the week. But one particular segment is getting a lot
Speaker 1: of attention, and it was a segment that I did
Speaker 1: with reverenel on his show Politics Nation, and it was
Speaker 1: with regard to Elon Musk and the fact that he
Speaker 1: wanted to buy or at least rumors state that he
Speaker 1: wanted to buy Twitter for you know something forty something
Speaker 1: billion dollars because he wanted to create a town hall
Speaker 1: town square that where he believes that freedom of speech
Speaker 1: would reign supreme, that anyone could say anything at any point.
Speaker 1: And that is completely and totally fine, because, as I
Speaker 1: said yesterday, he doesn't want to follow anybody's rules. He's
Speaker 1: a rich, famous white man in America in the world, right,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't feel like he needs to subscribe to
Speaker 1: anybody's norms or values or morals. He can create his own,
Speaker 1: He can buy his own, He can buy fucking people
Speaker 1: if he so chooses right. And you know, I have
Speaker 1: said before I fucking hate Elon Musk, and I'll say
Speaker 1: it again. I think that he is a transphobe. I
Speaker 1: think that he is a bigot. I think he's a
Speaker 1: fame who are I think that there are a list
Speaker 1: of things that I can say about Elon Musk that
Speaker 1: makes him a detestable human being. And I don't really
Speaker 1: care how wealthy he is. I don't really care how
Speaker 1: famous he is and how he gets to tap dance
Speaker 1: into every room, because you know, by virtue of fame
Speaker 1: and wealth, you're labeled a genius. And it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: if you're actually a bastard, if your character doesn't match
Speaker 1: up right to the inventions that you have done. People
Speaker 1: can be both, and you know, we're layered complex people.
Speaker 1: And just by virtue of being a quote unquote genius
Speaker 1: or whoever labels you as such, doesn't mean that you're
Speaker 1: a good person. It doesn't mean that, frankly, millions of
Speaker 1: people should fucking follow you But what I realize about
Speaker 1: this dust up and people wanting to come for me
Speaker 1: on social media and tell me that I'm stupid, that
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm talking about, that I'm uneducated,
Speaker 1: and how dare I come for their fucking deity? I
Speaker 1: think to myself, you know what the addiction to fame
Speaker 1: and to wealth, that what it has done to our society, right,
Speaker 1: Like we have Donald Trump because of reality TV, Right,
Speaker 1: because of the fact that people love the idea of
Speaker 1: this famous man being on television telling people that you're
Speaker 1: hired or you're fired after I put them through a
Speaker 1: million obstacles and tests that he's never had to go through. Right.
Speaker 1: So this is the thing too that pisses me off.
Speaker 1: And somebody had written about this recently where they were
Speaker 1: just like, why is it that we look on the
Speaker 1: cover of Forbes magazines and the Wall Street journals and
Speaker 1: these places, and we interview celebrities who and wealthy people
Speaker 1: who were born into said celebrity and said wealth, and
Speaker 1: then we're able to capitalize on already having a name,
Speaker 1: already having money, already having a brand, right and then
Speaker 1: be able to do want to, you know, extraordinary things
Speaker 1: with it. Well, if you were born with a fucking
Speaker 1: silver spoon in your mouth, if you were born with
Speaker 1: unlimited access, where do you think that you would be?
Speaker 1: I would much rather see the front pages of these
Speaker 1: business magazines and innovation and all of these things with
Speaker 1: people that actually came from nothing, right, or people who
Speaker 1: came from a working middle class family, right, who were
Speaker 1: then able to turn into something extraordinary. Those are stories
Speaker 1: that I care about, And what I realize is that
Speaker 1: America loves any story. Right? Did we put Kylie Jenner
Speaker 1: on the cover as the youngest self made billionaire? Is
Speaker 1: Kylie Jenner really a self made billionaire? She's not self made?
Speaker 1: She was born into one of the most if not
Speaker 1: now when she was born, it was a famous family, right,
Speaker 1: The Kardashian Jenner clan were a famous family. You're one
Speaker 1: of your arns was the most famous Olympian of their time. Right.
Speaker 1: The other one was married to a famed you know,
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills, la lawyer. Right. So I get the fact
Speaker 1: that you were able to take the wealth and the
Speaker 1: notoriety that you had to be able to come up
Speaker 1: with an idea where doors open for you because of
Speaker 1: your name, because of your reality TV show, and you
Speaker 1: were able to manufacture these things and then figure out,
Speaker 1: through virtue of your brand and your social media reach
Speaker 1: to become a billionaire. But can we tell the fucking
Speaker 1: truth about these people, like the entire truth. I'm not
Speaker 1: taking away your business acumen, but to say that somebody
Speaker 1: is self made to say that, to equate genius, right,
Speaker 1: to say that Elon Musk is a genius and somehow
Speaker 1: that makes him worthy of being able to say whatever
Speaker 1: he wants, whenever he wants, to whomever he wants, regardless
Speaker 1: of the harm that it causes. Right. Because here's the
Speaker 1: thing too, This is the thing. If I were to
Speaker 1: do a then diagram between those who want no encroachment
Speaker 1: whatsoever on guns and then those people who want no
Speaker 1: encroachment whatsoever on free speech, I guarantee you that what
Speaker 1: would be in the middle would be a Trump supporter. Right.
Speaker 1: I want to be able to say as much vile
Speaker 1: and hateful shit as I can because that is my
Speaker 1: liberty and my freedom. The rest of you be damned.
Speaker 1: And then on the other hand, I want to be
Speaker 1: able to carry my AAR fifteen into a fucking Starbucks
Speaker 1: because that long rifle makes me feel like a man. Right,
Speaker 1: So you know, I think that it is important for
Speaker 1: us to interrogate the reactions that people have when you
Speaker 1: go after their self made deities. Right when you have
Speaker 1: the audacity to challenge the billionaires and the famous people
Speaker 1: in the world for wanting them to do better with
Speaker 1: the platforms that they have. Right, Like you know, Elon Musk,
Speaker 1: by way of skirting around rules and regulations, his life
Speaker 1: is fucking monopoly. He can just buy up whatever he
Speaker 1: wants and people don't care about the consequences of that.
Speaker 1: They just get to fill their pockets right and walk away.
Speaker 1: They don't think to themselves, Hum, what would it be
Speaker 1: like if an Elon Musk were to run Twitter? Right,
Speaker 1: somebody with no morals and a clear hatred in your
Speaker 1: heart for trans people in the LGBTQ community and black
Speaker 1: people and other marginalized people that you love to make
Speaker 1: fun of because you can, right, Because nobody's ever gonna
Speaker 1: you know, blacklist you or turn you away. Right, you're
Speaker 1: the one that gets to go to the UN and say,
Speaker 1: you know, I could give you money for X, Y
Speaker 1: and Z, but you need to come up with a
Speaker 1: report for me to prove why you're worthy. This is
Speaker 1: the world that we are living in where you can
Speaker 1: commodify any fucking thing, and I just you know, I
Speaker 1: want us to have ask more fucking questions. Frankly, have
Speaker 1: more consideration. One of my favorite lines, which can really
Speaker 1: go through pretty much anything. I think you can apply
Speaker 1: it to anything, was in the original Jurassic Park. And
Speaker 1: in the original Jurassic Park you have what is his name?
Speaker 1: I need to look it up because I want to
Speaker 1: get his name right. My God, did you know that
Speaker 1: that film was from nineteen ninety three? Jesus anyway, Jeff
Speaker 1: Goldbloom's character, he's one of the scientists that is brought
Speaker 1: to this island where they have decided that they can
Speaker 1: bring back these dinosaurs to life. And what an amazing
Speaker 1: attraction it will be not taking into consideration right, as
Speaker 1: his character would say, Ian Malcolm, the scientist, you know,
Speaker 1: you never stopped in the midst of realizing that you
Speaker 1: could do something to ask yourself whether you should right.
Speaker 1: Just because you can right have the ability to bring
Speaker 1: back a dinosaur, you know, man's biggest predator does not
Speaker 1: mean you should do it right. And so by virtue,
Speaker 1: when I think about social media, I'm thinking about just
Speaker 1: because Elon Musk has the ability to buy Twitter, to
Speaker 1: buy the space right where initially it was thinking about
Speaker 1: ways in which we could democratize people's voices, people's impact. Right,
Speaker 1: Like the whole point of social media if we all remember,
Speaker 1: way way way back when was about connecting other people.
Speaker 1: What does it mean if we're able to connect right
Speaker 1: and you know, you think about the good side, the
Speaker 1: way that we're able to right now follow the war
Speaker 1: in Ukraine and follow it in real time, not just
Speaker 1: on television but across all social media platforms. The ability
Speaker 1: to be able to donate to people, to be able
Speaker 1: to help to raise awareness, all of these things. But then,
Speaker 1: of course you don't think about the downside. What is
Speaker 1: it done to our youth and their opinions of themselves,
Speaker 1: their self esteem, their emotional and mental well being. We
Speaker 1: are always in such a rush to do the next
Speaker 1: great thing that we don't stop to say, should we
Speaker 1: should we be doing these things? Should Mark Zuckerberg be
Speaker 1: allowed to fucking buy up social media companies and create
Speaker 1: one big giant conglomerate. How does that measure up against
Speaker 1: our anti trust laws that we haven't updated, you know,
Speaker 1: since the invention of the fucking telephone. So you know,
Speaker 1: I had spent you know, a little time going back
Speaker 1: and forth with these clowns on Twitter, and then I
Speaker 1: realize I don't actually give a fuck, right, y'all are
Speaker 1: not going to take my energy? Right, my joy, my nothing.
Speaker 1: You don't like what I say, don't fucking listen. That's
Speaker 1: the that's the beauty, right. You don't like what I tweet?
Speaker 1: You don't like that people have me on TV? Don't watch?
Speaker 1: You know, they are a myriad of Joe Rogan wannabes
Speaker 1: and Tucker Carlson wannabes that you can go and connect
Speaker 1: with and love up on right and have nobody ever
Speaker 1: question the why behind things. But I do. That is
Speaker 1: my job, That is my passion and what I believe
Speaker 1: my purpose to be. So if you have not seen
Speaker 1: the clip of me on MSNBC talking about Elon muss By,
Speaker 1: all means go through my Twitter feed because it's filled
Speaker 1: with hay to raid at this At this moment, folks,
Speaker 1: I want to switch gear as I get ready to
Speaker 1: introduce today's interview. We are living in extraordinary times. In
Speaker 1: a couple of months, Rovie Wade will be overturned after
Speaker 1: close to fifty years of existence. So fifty year olds
Speaker 1: right now, do not ever remember a time when you
Speaker 1: weren't able to get an abortion in this land of
Speaker 1: the free, home of the brave. There was also a
Speaker 1: time when you know, women couldn't apply for credit cards
Speaker 1: without their husband's approval or their fathers. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: Republicans would like to take us back to that place
Speaker 1: as well, where women and people with uteruses know their
Speaker 1: place right, and their place is not in control of
Speaker 1: their own bodies, not in control of their own futures.
Speaker 1: Because that's really what this is about, right. The ability
Speaker 1: to have an abortion, to have one safely, is the
Speaker 1: ability to take your life, your future into your own hands,
Speaker 1: to be able to make the decision about how, when
Speaker 1: and if you want to be a parent. Because here's
Speaker 1: the thing, it's not as if the Republican Party is
Speaker 1: offering up for you all of the wraparound services and
Speaker 1: the aid that you would need. Right if you are
Speaker 1: saying a person that is in a low wage job,
Speaker 1: who already has multiple mouths to feed and now realizes
Speaker 1: that they are pregnant right and cannot afford it, it's
Speaker 1: not as if Republicans are coming out and saying we
Speaker 1: believe in families so strongly that we are going to
Speaker 1: make pre K universal right, that we are going to
Speaker 1: subsidize your child's daycare, that we are going to ensure
Speaker 1: that they have the most robust public education possible, and
Speaker 1: that our schools are going to be community hubs because
Speaker 1: we're going to provide you know, breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Right,
Speaker 1: that you're going to have free healthcare for your children. No, No,
Speaker 1: it's Democrats that offer all of those things that Republicans
Speaker 1: try and short change and block right, because government can't
Speaker 1: be the answer to everything, but it can be the
Speaker 1: answer to whether or not you can be apparent. Because
Speaker 1: now we are a country that believes enforced labor right now,
Speaker 1: we are a country that believes that government shouldn't have
Speaker 1: responsibility over anything but be able to dictate how, when,
Speaker 1: and if you have a family. We just this week
Speaker 1: had a federal judge Trump appointed judge who the American
Speaker 1: Bar Association says was unqualified stripe down mask mandates on
Speaker 1: public transportation. Republicans don't give a fuck about your health.
Speaker 1: They don't give a fuck about your wellness, right, but
Speaker 1: they want to talk about liberty and safety. They want
Speaker 1: to know. They don't talk about safety, let me let
Speaker 1: me not misspeak. They want to talk about liberty and
Speaker 1: freedom because to them they are bumper stickers. They have
Speaker 1: no real meaning behind it, just for their ability, their
Speaker 1: liberty and their freedom to oppress, to dictate the outcomes
Speaker 1: of everyone else's lives. That's what they want. But do
Speaker 1: you see we never challenge them in the town square, right.
Speaker 1: We want to fight them with facts and statistics as
Speaker 1: opposed to the emotion which leads most of our policy.
Speaker 1: So coming up next is a conversation that really did
Speaker 1: get a bit emotional for myself and my guest, Emily Wales,
Speaker 1: who is the interim CEO of Planned Parenthood in Great Plains,
Speaker 1: and she will talk about what they are up against.
Speaker 1: She will provide real life stories right of the fact
Speaker 1: that while the rest of the country is bracing for
Speaker 1: the end of Rob Wade, she will illuminate from me
Speaker 1: and hopefully all of you that Rob Wade has long
Speaker 1: been overturned in many red states that have one abortion
Speaker 1: clinic in an entire state. Right. So we will talk
Speaker 1: about Oklahoma, we will talk about the Supreme corp. But
Speaker 1: most importantly, we will talk about the real lived, the
Speaker 1: real lived and real life implications for the decisions that
Speaker 1: will be coming down in June. That conversation, dear friends
Speaker 1: is coming up next, Folks. I am very happy to
Speaker 1: welcome to Okay f Daily for the very first time
Speaker 1: Emily Wales, who is the interim president and CEO of
Speaker 1: Planned Parenthood in Great Plains. Emily, you know, thank you
Speaker 1: so much for making the time, because I can imagine
Speaker 1: that your calendar is quite full these days. Can you
Speaker 1: give us some perspective, just how are you feeling right
Speaker 1: now with the the onslaught of anti abortion legislation, of
Speaker 1: anti abortion sentiment. Give us give us your feeling on
Speaker 1: where you are right now. Yeah, thanks so much for
Speaker 1: having me. Um. It's a hard question to answer. I
Speaker 1: think how I'm feeling. It does feel a little bit
Speaker 1: like we have been in this crazy sprint since September
Speaker 1: when our Oklahoma centers started getting overwhelmed with Texans and
Speaker 1: we modified our operations were the number of patient slots
Speaker 1: and visits and flying physicians. And now in the middle
Speaker 1: of this race, the legislature and the governor have thrown
Speaker 1: up this giant barrier and potentially blocked us from providing care.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I think our team is really
Speaker 1: struggling to figure out how we serve patients the best
Speaker 1: we can and try to prepare them right now that
Speaker 1: they may schedule an appointment and not actually get care
Speaker 1: with us and have to go somewhere else. So it's
Speaker 1: a it's a pretty overwhelming moment. You know. One of
Speaker 1: the things I had seen recently and spoke about on
Speaker 1: the show was a report that came out. I guess
Speaker 1: a report had started on women in Texas, and you know,
Speaker 1: the report had said that basically forty five of people
Speaker 1: in Texas that are trying to get abortions were going
Speaker 1: across state lines into Oklahoma, and if half more, almost
Speaker 1: half of those people were headed to Oklahoma. And now
Speaker 1: what we are seeing from the governor is that they're
Speaker 1: not only doing an outright ban, they are also criminalizing.
Speaker 1: So can you speak to how we have seen because
Speaker 1: I feel like this is beyond what happened pre Roe V.
Speaker 1: Way like this is beyond nineteen seventy three. The opposition
Speaker 1: is moving into a place of criminalization of care. So
Speaker 1: can you speak to that? Yeah, you're absolutely right. I
Speaker 1: think the goal is not to be as restrictive or
Speaker 1: as secretive as a post roal world, but to be worse.
Speaker 1: And there are things about the bills signing this week,
Speaker 1: the governor actually joked about arresting Texans on the state
Speaker 1: line and said, oh no, this will take this law
Speaker 1: will take care of that. We won't even need to
Speaker 1: arrest them now because they can't get care of here.
Speaker 1: There is a level of I think glee on the
Speaker 1: Republicans side at seeing this crisis that they are creating,
Speaker 1: and they're tripping over themselves to do it. You know,
Speaker 1: we have one band that's been signed and three or
Speaker 1: four other bands that are moving, and we anticipate potentially
Speaker 1: he'll sign all of them and we'll end up with
Speaker 1: a total band, a thirty day ban, a six week band.
Speaker 1: It is hard to understand what the end game is
Speaker 1: except for I think scaring patients on our side and
Speaker 1: getting all kinds of political points and you know, a
Speaker 1: rally among their anti choice supporters. That's what this is,
Speaker 1: you know. And the word glee, I'm really happy that
Speaker 1: you that you brought that up, because I think that
Speaker 1: the viciousness and the cruelty that is attached to these
Speaker 1: bills doesn't speak to the excitement right that we are
Speaker 1: seeing from their rallies, that we're seeing from these governor signings.
Speaker 1: And what are you hearing from patients, whether they're you know,
Speaker 1: is still coming into office or via email or phone.
Speaker 1: What is the sentiment that they that they are expressing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the really heartbreaking thing about this for us
Speaker 1: is that we had patients pretty early on in this
Speaker 1: crisis say to us, I got pulled over on my
Speaker 1: way from Texas and I lied to the officer about
Speaker 1: where I was going. You know, I'm not drunk, I
Speaker 1: was going too fast whatever the issue was, but I
Speaker 1: felt if I told him I was getting an abortion,
Speaker 1: maybe I would be arrested. And the Texas law does
Speaker 1: not have criminal effects, but people are scared and they
Speaker 1: don't understand it, and so then to have the governor
Speaker 1: make jokes about that, it just shows how far removed
Speaker 1: to you is from the experienced people are having on
Speaker 1: the ground. They do feel like they can't tell their
Speaker 1: family and friends where they're going, even though some of
Speaker 1: us will say, oh, my partner would be supportive or
Speaker 1: my mom would be supportive, But I don't want to
Speaker 1: put them at risk by telling them that I'm seeking
Speaker 1: abortion care, so I didn't say anything, and I came
Speaker 1: by myself and I'm trying to figure out how I'm
Speaker 1: to get home, Emily, What are the emotional repercussions of that?
Speaker 1: Because this, you know, I talk to abortion activists all
Speaker 1: the time. I try and actually make it a regular
Speaker 1: part of topics that I cover on the show, because
Speaker 1: I think that it is so incredibly important to like
Speaker 1: initially with about reducing stigma. Now it is it's it's
Speaker 1: so much bigger than just reducing the stigma. What do
Speaker 1: you think that the emotional effects are? What are you seeing?
Speaker 1: You know, with regard to this deep fear. We have
Speaker 1: patients who are I think, barely making it to us
Speaker 1: because of the strain of getting care, the emotional anxiety
Speaker 1: of not telling anyone feeling like what they're doing is criminal,
Speaker 1: even for those who need it for medical reasons. Right.
Speaker 1: We have patients who come to us and say, my
Speaker 1: doctor advised that I get to Oklahoma. I shouldn't have
Speaker 1: to hide this, and you shouldn't know, patients, you have
Speaker 1: to hide it. But we are worried about what's happening
Speaker 1: with our patients, and we have changed, you know, before September.
Speaker 1: Most patients could get to us, even with the restrictions
Speaker 1: in place in our states. They could figure out how
Speaker 1: to navigate themselves there. And now what we're seeing is
Speaker 1: really the opposite. Most patients cannot without a significant amount
Speaker 1: of support. Where we are helping make their hotel rooms,
Speaker 1: we're helping figure out gas cards, we're helping explain state restrictions.
Speaker 1: Because I think that even the emotional toll of adding
Speaker 1: on the logistical elements in their in their journey to
Speaker 1: get care is too much. And so we're trying to
Speaker 1: live where we can alleviate all of those additional barriers.
Speaker 1: We're trying to do that. So all you have to
Speaker 1: do is focus on getting an appointment, getting in your car,
Speaker 1: getting on the road, and then we will take care
Speaker 1: of everything we can for you once you get here,
Speaker 1: because it is too much for people to handle. And
Speaker 1: I think about you know, like you just said that
Speaker 1: that people are not even sharing with their loved ones,
Speaker 1: with their families, with their friends. I mean part of
Speaker 1: that being, if you're coming from Texas, the vigilante aspect
Speaker 1: of it, right, If you let me tell you something,
Speaker 1: and this was one of the things that I first
Speaker 1: thing that I thought about when Abbott rolled out this bill.
Speaker 1: I said, if people are in a place of economic desperation, right,
Speaker 1: which more Americans than not these days find themselves, right,
Speaker 1: and you're looking and you're saying, ten thousand dollars, ten
Speaker 1: thousand dollars can be fairly life changing, right, And so
Speaker 1: if if so and so won't find out that it
Speaker 1: was me that made the call, right, then you know
Speaker 1: it's a collection day, and I and so it's in
Speaker 1: thinking about that. It's said it like, do you believe
Speaker 1: that part of this is part of this operation that
Speaker 1: Republicans are doing across the country, is about turning neighbor
Speaker 1: against neighbor, is about like seating this distrust. Absolutely. I
Speaker 1: think at first there's a part of me that thought
Speaker 1: this was just the most creative approach. Right. There has
Speaker 1: been a race to the bottom. What is the most restrictive, outrageous,
Speaker 1: attention grabbing version of the law we can create, And
Speaker 1: there is an element of that here. But I also
Speaker 1: think it does capture this sort of individualistic, sovereign citizen
Speaker 1: perception people have on the conservative side in this moment, Right,
Speaker 1: we are not a collective community. We're not thinking about
Speaker 1: what other people in our world want. We're just thinking
Speaker 1: about what we can get and what we think they
Speaker 1: should do. And that's exactly what this bill does. It
Speaker 1: just says it empowers me to decide what care you
Speaker 1: should get or you shouldn't get, and I get to
Speaker 1: turn you in and maybe make some money off of it.
Speaker 1: You're so right it. You know, we have moved and
Speaker 1: this is a thing that again I feel like a
Speaker 1: messaging and in speaking with Democrats that the messaging is
Speaker 1: not there. Republicans are not about the collective. They've never
Speaker 1: been about the collective. They've never been about community. It
Speaker 1: is about individualistic desires, greed right at the basis of it,
Speaker 1: that this this idea that I am better, Right when
Speaker 1: when Donald Trump came out and said I alone can
Speaker 1: fix this, it is that it is that kind of mentality.
Speaker 1: You know, I know that you're this planned parenthood, Your
Speaker 1: planned parenthood is in Great Plains. What is happening with
Speaker 1: the collection of plant parenthoods oh around the country. What
Speaker 1: is the communication like? And I guess the strategy if
Speaker 1: if if there if there is, if there is one
Speaker 1: or can be one. For a long time, patients have
Speaker 1: seen plan parenthood I think with one lens, right, whether
Speaker 1: you go to college, you go to Plant Parenthood, you
Speaker 1: go back home, you go to Planned Parenthood, but you
Speaker 1: have been going to different affiliates. Right, We're a fed
Speaker 1: rated structure where there are distinctions between the organizations at
Speaker 1: the local level. But right now we are working across
Speaker 1: the federation to eliminate those distinctions because it doesn't work
Speaker 1: to go home to Texas after having gotten an abortion
Speaker 1: of Oklahoma and not be part of the same network.
Speaker 1: So we are trying to do as much as possible
Speaker 1: warm handoffs because for a lot of folks, going to
Speaker 1: a Planned Parenthood or an independent abortion provider is the
Speaker 1: only place that feels safe to talk about what you've experienced,
Speaker 1: and that's just going to increase. I think as we
Speaker 1: worry about Oklahoma losing access, we think about our Oklahoma
Speaker 1: patients who will now go to Kansas or Colorado or
Speaker 1: New Mexico to get care. And the last thing we
Speaker 1: want is to them to come home and never speak
Speaker 1: a word of this, and never say what happened, and
Speaker 1: feel like they can't tell they're obed im This was
Speaker 1: part of my medical history. So I do think the
Speaker 1: Federation is taking that really seriously and trying to create
Speaker 1: a network of safe spaces, because people deserve dignity when
Speaker 1: they get the care, but they are dignity when they
Speaker 1: get home, and even if they can't get care at home,
Speaker 1: we want to be the place that they can come
Speaker 1: for education, information and just a level of support that
Speaker 1: you can speak about your experience here. You just said
Speaker 1: something that I did not think about, which is going
Speaker 1: to see your obgyn and not giving a full picture
Speaker 1: of your history. Can you speak more on that? So,
Speaker 1: for instance, we just saw the case in Texas of
Speaker 1: Lizzelle Herrera, Right, Lizzelle Herrera twenty six years old, goes
Speaker 1: to the hospital after administering and at home abortion. I
Speaker 1: don't know, and I still am not clear and maybe
Speaker 1: you know if much in the same way, if you're
Speaker 1: if you go to a hospital and you've been shot,
Speaker 1: it is the hospital must report to the police department
Speaker 1: that we have gunshot victim, right, so that then there
Speaker 1: can be this tracing that happens, right, we is it
Speaker 1: criminal activity? You know all of these things. The hospital
Speaker 1: that miss Herrera went to report it, she was arrested.
Speaker 1: She was being charged with murder. Right um The DA
Speaker 1: ends up dropping that case, thankfully, but that is because
Speaker 1: of that DA right. So if women in people and
Speaker 1: women in Oklahoma then go someplace else for care Kansas,
Speaker 1: like you brought up, they go to an obgyn check
Speaker 1: up in a month or two months or what have you,
Speaker 1: they disclose this does the does it obgyn? Are they
Speaker 1: legally responsible for reporting this? Like? What what does that
Speaker 1: look like? So it does every by state law, and
Speaker 1: we have an O states a version of that that
Speaker 1: does exist already. There are complications reporting requirements where you
Speaker 1: do have to say, a patient disclosed to me that
Speaker 1: they are having you bleeding or some other issue that's
Speaker 1: the results of an abortion complication. Now, sometimes we disagree
Speaker 1: on the medical side what's actually a complication versus an
Speaker 1: adverse outcome that's anticipated? Right? The state of course thinks
Speaker 1: that if you get a headache after your abortion, that
Speaker 1: had to be related to the care. It's this broad
Speaker 1: example of all everything and anything that you might have,
Speaker 1: including maybe feeling criminalized by your state. I think a
Speaker 1: lot of patients based trauma because of state restrictions that
Speaker 1: have nothing to do with the actual care they receive.
Speaker 1: But we do see that you have hospital requirements or
Speaker 1: physician requirements where you have to report those complications to
Speaker 1: the state and they can look into them. That's not
Speaker 1: a shock. The shocking thing, of course, is the criminal
Speaker 1: charges that occurred there, and the idea that anyone would
Speaker 1: be punished for the outcome of their pregnancy is horrifying.
Speaker 1: What I think doesn't It doesn't really matter though. What's
Speaker 1: we goal is what we're seeing because in our states,
Speaker 1: you can legally get an abortion in Oklahoma, and the
Speaker 1: Texas law doesn't have that extra territoriality issue. It doesn't
Speaker 1: try to reach into Oklahoma and say that's illegal. I
Speaker 1: think we're coming to that. I think we've seen previews
Speaker 1: of that in other states. But right now, you can
Speaker 1: legally get an abortion Oklahoma. But patients are scared to
Speaker 1: say anything. Patients are not going to disclose this because
Speaker 1: they do feel they're asking us, why are my rights
Speaker 1: different here than they were seven or eight months ago?
Speaker 1: Why are they different Oklahoma than they were in Texas?
Speaker 1: And so we as medical providers are trying to give
Speaker 1: some answer that is totally unsatisfying, I think to us
Speaker 1: and to them, and we can see in their eyes
Speaker 1: they will not disclose this when they go home. Because
Speaker 1: they don't think that they can. Yeah, let me ask
Speaker 1: you this too, just in thinking about what are some
Speaker 1: of the normal not complications, but the normal after effects
Speaker 1: of an abortion. And if and if you don't disclose
Speaker 1: to an obgyn at of fear, does that can it
Speaker 1: threaten your your life and your and your health. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there absolutely can be complications that you need to get
Speaker 1: follow up care somewhere locally. Right. We often we always
Speaker 1: follow up with our patients your phone calls, We do
Speaker 1: tracking and lab work to make sure that their abortion
Speaker 1: completed successfully and that they are healthy. But there are
Speaker 1: times when you may have ongoing bleeding or cramps. There
Speaker 1: are times too where an adverts dot com can be
Speaker 1: that a medication abortion particular is not successful and a
Speaker 1: pregnancy can be ongoing, and you need to know that
Speaker 1: so that you can get subsequent care or repeat a
Speaker 1: process and have you go through the abortion process again.
Speaker 1: If you're doing medication abortion, and if you're not telling
Speaker 1: anyone and if you feel like you can't talk about
Speaker 1: those things, you could have complications that could be very concerning.
Speaker 1: The Rates of complications are low, but it's like any
Speaker 1: medical procedure where you need to have follow up in
Speaker 1: a conversation with a medical provider if you can, Emily,
Speaker 1: what happens to planned parenthood in Great Plains um following
Speaker 1: the institution of this law. Plant. I mean, abortion is
Speaker 1: not the only care that you will provide. But I
Speaker 1: can remember in you know, in college, going to planned parenthood.
Speaker 1: I went to school in Virginia, so it was in Washington, DC.
Speaker 1: And you know, I remember the picketers, right, Like, I
Speaker 1: remember those people. And I'm just like, I'm going in
Speaker 1: here for like a regular check up, Like I'm just
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not home by my regular doctor, right,
Speaker 1: So this is this is where I'm going for care.
Speaker 1: What happens? What do you what? What do you envision?
Speaker 1: We have been in Oklahoma in particular for decades, right
Speaker 1: and the majority of our services even now, even with
Speaker 1: the increase in need and abortion care, the majority of
Speaker 1: our services our contraception and STI testing and treatment, cancer screening.
Speaker 1: So we'll still provide all of those services, but for
Speaker 1: abortion patients in particular, we will have to become the
Speaker 1: place where you've come to find out if you're pregnant,
Speaker 1: talk to someone safe about the options you have with
Speaker 1: a pregnancy, and then we will help navigate you out
Speaker 1: of state and will also be there to provide support
Speaker 1: services when you get home and follow up there. It
Speaker 1: will look very different for abortion patients, but we're still
Speaker 1: going to be here. You know, We've lived through this
Speaker 1: in other parts of our territory. In Missouri, when I
Speaker 1: joined Planned Parenthoodway Plans, we had two abortion facility licenses
Speaker 1: and both of them were lost due to state restrictions
Speaker 1: where the web of requirements became totally untenable and we
Speaker 1: couldn't meet everything. And we still have protesters every single
Speaker 1: day at some of those centers, even though they haven't
Speaker 1: provided abortion care in a number of years. And the
Speaker 1: protesters know that they know what's on our schedule, they
Speaker 1: know what's services we offer, and it is not a deterrent.
Speaker 1: I think for many of them, My parenthood is going
Speaker 1: to be the you know, the bad guy, no matter
Speaker 1: what it is. It's a part of their of their work,
Speaker 1: So they show up every single day and harass patients
Speaker 1: who are coming in for birth control. Are you worried,
Speaker 1: Emily about this shit? You know, because at the beginning
Speaker 1: we're talking about the gleefulness, and I am stuck on
Speaker 1: the gleefulness and the sinister nature of the Republican strategy
Speaker 1: and plan and the escalation that we are seeing. Are
Speaker 1: you worried? Are the people that work you know with
Speaker 1: you concerned? Yeah, I'm really worried. I'm worried about our
Speaker 1: patients and the folks who won't become our patients because
Speaker 1: they can't take care or feel like they can. I'm
Speaker 1: worried about I think the level of vitriol that's directed
Speaker 1: at people who could get pregnant in this country and
Speaker 1: the fact that their medical choices are not their own.
Speaker 1: There is something just so deeply disturbing about the desire
Speaker 1: I think of politicians, particularly light conservative male politicians, who
Speaker 1: feel very comfortable reaching in and trying to control other
Speaker 1: people's lives. So, yeah, I'm deeply worried about them, and
Speaker 1: I'm worried about our team members too. In this moment
Speaker 1: of crisis. You know, we have been it feels a
Speaker 1: little bit like we had this tidal wave of Texans
Speaker 1: come to Oklahoma and we scrambled and made care happen
Speaker 1: for more patients than we ever have for abortion services
Speaker 1: in the past. And then the legislature just you know,
Speaker 1: had the wave go right over us. And all it
Speaker 1: means is that patients who can gather the resources and
Speaker 1: figure out logistics, they will go to neighboring states, they
Speaker 1: will go farther, they will sleep in their car another night.
Speaker 1: But a whole bunch of patients are not going to
Speaker 1: be able to do that, and that is a reality
Speaker 1: that absolutely keeps me and I think our team up
Speaker 1: and night. Last question for you, Emily. For people who
Speaker 1: are listening to this and they want to do something,
Speaker 1: they want to be of help, they what can they
Speaker 1: do a few different things. One thing is support local
Speaker 1: abortion funds. It has been so critical to our work
Speaker 1: in providing travel supports for patients. We went from doing
Speaker 1: six seven thousand dollars a month primarily for Missourians to
Speaker 1: get to Kansas because Missouri has been living in a
Speaker 1: reality of far too few abortion providers for a long time,
Speaker 1: so that was happening before. But now we're doing sixty
Speaker 1: five seventy five thousand dollars a month in travel supports,
Speaker 1: and that is largely made possible by local abortion funds
Speaker 1: who are helping people get hotel costs covered, who are
Speaker 1: helping with gas. So find out what those are visit
Speaker 1: our website pp great planes. We are trying to offset
Speaker 1: the cost of care as much as possible. And then
Speaker 1: I think, you know, an interesting thing to consider too,
Speaker 1: is that in our four states, we have three states
Speaker 1: with trigger laws where abortion will become outlawed if ros
Speaker 1: overturn or maybe even before then considering the Texas style
Speaker 1: bands we have moving. But Kansas stands in this really
Speaker 1: unique position in that it has a state constitutional protection
Speaker 1: for abortion. It will continue providing care. It will be
Speaker 1: the next, I think, at the front line location for us.
Speaker 1: But Kansons are going to vote on August second on
Speaker 1: whether or not they keep the state constitutional protection or
Speaker 1: remove it, and I think really go against the course
Speaker 1: of history and take out protections in their own constitution
Speaker 1: for people who are pregnant to make decisions about their pregnancies.
Speaker 1: So we have this battle on multiple fronts. We're trying
Speaker 1: to provide care, we're trying to get as many patients
Speaker 1: seen as possible, but we are totally focused on communicating
Speaker 1: to Kansens what the crisis looks like, because we know
Speaker 1: it is happening just south in Oklahoma and people are
Speaker 1: going to be in crisis soon in Kansas. And so
Speaker 1: we are doing all we can to educate and communicate
Speaker 1: that bands are coming to Kansas if we don't get
Speaker 1: together and respond and protect access here. Emily, I can't
Speaker 1: thank you enough one for the work that you're doing,
Speaker 1: to you, to your staff, to the volunteers, all of
Speaker 1: the people in Great Plains that are assisting people at
Speaker 1: a really terrifying moment in our country. And I hope
Speaker 1: that you will come back and join us on will
Speaker 1: Gap and keep us posted on all that's happening and
Speaker 1: how people can continue to get involved. I appreciate you,
Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate you, and thank you for talking
Speaker 1: about this. I think it's been a thing that not
Speaker 1: enough of us have wanted to say publicly, what care
Speaker 1: looks like, how close we were to a crisis. Texas
Speaker 1: is a huge state, but as you add even smaller
Speaker 1: states like Oklahoma, the system it's about to break and
Speaker 1: we are seeing that now. So I appreciate you talking
Speaker 1: about it. Thank you. That is it for me to
Speaker 1: day on woke f as always, Power to the people
Speaker 1: and to all the people. Power, get woke and stay
Speaker 1: woke as fuck.