1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to WIKA F Daily with 2 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Bunker, Folks. UM, 3 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: I want to start off with some energy that I 4 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: will that I will say that I have been receiving 5 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 1: on social media. Um. I said yesterday that over the weekend, 6 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: I had joined MSNBC for you know, a couple of shows. 7 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: One of the clips I posted on my Instagram and 8 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 1: the other one will I will post later on in 9 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 1: the week. But one particular segment is getting a lot 10 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:51,480 Speaker 1: of attention, and it was a segment that I did 11 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: with reverenel on his show Politics Nation, and it was 12 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: with regard to Elon Musk and the fact that he 13 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: wanted to buy or at least rumors state that he 14 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: wanted to buy Twitter for you know something forty something 15 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: billion dollars because he wanted to create a town hall 16 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: town square that where he believes that freedom of speech 17 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: would reign supreme, that anyone could say anything at any point. 18 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: And that is completely and totally fine, because, as I 19 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: said yesterday, he doesn't want to follow anybody's rules. He's 20 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: a rich, famous white man in America in the world, right, 21 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: and he doesn't feel like he needs to subscribe to 22 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: anybody's norms or values or morals. He can create his own, 23 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: He can buy his own, He can buy fucking people 24 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: if he so chooses right. And you know, I have 25 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: said before I fucking hate Elon Musk, and I'll say 26 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: it again. I think that he is a transphobe. I 27 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: think that he is a bigot. I think he's a 28 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: fame who are I think that there are a list 29 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: of things that I can say about Elon Musk that 30 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: makes him a detestable human being. And I don't really 31 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: care how wealthy he is. I don't really care how 32 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: famous he is and how he gets to tap dance 33 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: into every room, because you know, by virtue of fame 34 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: and wealth, you're labeled a genius. And it doesn't matter 35 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: if you're actually a bastard, if your character doesn't match 36 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: up right to the inventions that you have done. People 37 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: can be both, and you know, we're layered complex people. 38 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: And just by virtue of being a quote unquote genius 39 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 1: or whoever labels you as such, doesn't mean that you're 40 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: a good person. It doesn't mean that, frankly, millions of 41 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: people should fucking follow you But what I realize about 42 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: this dust up and people wanting to come for me 43 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: on social media and tell me that I'm stupid, that 44 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,799 Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm talking about, that I'm uneducated, 45 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: and how dare I come for their fucking deity? I 46 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: think to myself, you know what the addiction to fame 47 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: and to wealth, that what it has done to our society, right, 48 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: Like we have Donald Trump because of reality TV, Right, 49 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: because of the fact that people love the idea of 50 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: this famous man being on television telling people that you're 51 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: hired or you're fired after I put them through a 52 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: million obstacles and tests that he's never had to go through. Right. 53 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: So this is the thing too that pisses me off. 54 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 1: And somebody had written about this recently where they were 55 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: just like, why is it that we look on the 56 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: cover of Forbes magazines and the Wall Street journals and 57 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: these places, and we interview celebrities who and wealthy people 58 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: who were born into said celebrity and said wealth, and 59 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: then we're able to capitalize on already having a name, 60 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: already having money, already having a brand, right and then 61 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: be able to do want to, you know, extraordinary things 62 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: with it. Well, if you were born with a fucking 63 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: silver spoon in your mouth, if you were born with 64 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: unlimited access, where do you think that you would be? 65 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: I would much rather see the front pages of these 66 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: business magazines and innovation and all of these things with 67 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 1: people that actually came from nothing, right, or people who 68 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: came from a working middle class family, right, who were 69 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 1: then able to turn into something extraordinary. Those are stories 70 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: that I care about, And what I realize is that 71 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: America loves any story. Right? Did we put Kylie Jenner 72 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 1: on the cover as the youngest self made billionaire? Is 73 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: Kylie Jenner really a self made billionaire? She's not self made? 74 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: She was born into one of the most if not 75 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 1: now when she was born, it was a famous family, right, 76 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 1: The Kardashian Jenner clan were a famous family. You're one 77 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 1: of your arns was the most famous Olympian of their time. Right. 78 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: The other one was married to a famed you know, 79 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 1: Beverly Hills, la lawyer. Right. So I get the fact 80 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: that you were able to take the wealth and the 81 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: notoriety that you had to be able to come up 82 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: with an idea where doors open for you because of 83 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: your name, because of your reality TV show, and you 84 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: were able to manufacture these things and then figure out, 85 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: through virtue of your brand and your social media reach 86 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: to become a billionaire. But can we tell the fucking 87 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: truth about these people, like the entire truth. I'm not 88 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: taking away your business acumen, but to say that somebody 89 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: is self made to say that, to equate genius, right, 90 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: to say that Elon Musk is a genius and somehow 91 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 1: that makes him worthy of being able to say whatever 92 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: he wants, whenever he wants, to whomever he wants, regardless 93 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: of the harm that it causes. Right. Because here's the 94 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: thing too, This is the thing. If I were to 95 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: do a then diagram between those who want no encroachment 96 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 1: whatsoever on guns and then those people who want no 97 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 1: encroachment whatsoever on free speech, I guarantee you that what 98 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 1: would be in the middle would be a Trump supporter. Right. 99 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: I want to be able to say as much vile 100 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: and hateful shit as I can because that is my 101 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: liberty and my freedom. The rest of you be damned. 102 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 1: And then on the other hand, I want to be 103 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: able to carry my AAR fifteen into a fucking Starbucks 104 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: because that long rifle makes me feel like a man. Right, 105 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: So you know, I think that it is important for 106 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: us to interrogate the reactions that people have when you 107 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 1: go after their self made deities. Right when you have 108 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:59,679 Speaker 1: the audacity to challenge the billionaires and the famous people 109 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 1: in the world for wanting them to do better with 110 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: the platforms that they have. Right, Like you know, Elon Musk, 111 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:13,559 Speaker 1: by way of skirting around rules and regulations, his life 112 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: is fucking monopoly. He can just buy up whatever he 113 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: wants and people don't care about the consequences of that. 114 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: They just get to fill their pockets right and walk away. 115 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: They don't think to themselves, Hum, what would it be 116 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: like if an Elon Musk were to run Twitter? Right, 117 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: somebody with no morals and a clear hatred in your 118 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: heart for trans people in the LGBTQ community and black 119 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: people and other marginalized people that you love to make 120 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: fun of because you can, right, Because nobody's ever gonna 121 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: you know, blacklist you or turn you away. Right, you're 122 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: the one that gets to go to the UN and say, 123 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: you know, I could give you money for X, Y 124 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: and Z, but you need to come up with a 125 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: report for me to prove why you're worthy. This is 126 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: the world that we are living in where you can 127 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: commodify any fucking thing, and I just you know, I 128 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: want us to have ask more fucking questions. Frankly, have 129 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: more consideration. One of my favorite lines, which can really 130 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: go through pretty much anything. I think you can apply 131 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: it to anything, was in the original Jurassic Park. And 132 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: in the original Jurassic Park you have what is his name? 133 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: I need to look it up because I want to 134 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:36,199 Speaker 1: get his name right. My God, did you know that 135 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: that film was from nineteen ninety three? Jesus anyway, Jeff 136 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: Goldbloom's character, he's one of the scientists that is brought 137 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: to this island where they have decided that they can 138 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,119 Speaker 1: bring back these dinosaurs to life. And what an amazing 139 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: attraction it will be not taking into consideration right, as 140 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 1: his character would say, Ian Malcolm, the scientist, you know, 141 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 1: you never stopped in the midst of realizing that you 142 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: could do something to ask yourself whether you should right. 143 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: Just because you can right have the ability to bring 144 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: back a dinosaur, you know, man's biggest predator does not 145 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: mean you should do it right. And so by virtue, 146 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: when I think about social media, I'm thinking about just 147 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: because Elon Musk has the ability to buy Twitter, to 148 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: buy the space right where initially it was thinking about 149 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: ways in which we could democratize people's voices, people's impact. Right, 150 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: Like the whole point of social media if we all remember, 151 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: way way way back when was about connecting other people. 152 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: What does it mean if we're able to connect right 153 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: and you know, you think about the good side, the 154 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: way that we're able to right now follow the war 155 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:06,959 Speaker 1: in Ukraine and follow it in real time, not just 156 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 1: on television but across all social media platforms. The ability 157 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: to be able to donate to people, to be able 158 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: to help to raise awareness, all of these things. But then, 159 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: of course you don't think about the downside. What is 160 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 1: it done to our youth and their opinions of themselves, 161 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: their self esteem, their emotional and mental well being. We 162 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,839 Speaker 1: are always in such a rush to do the next 163 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: great thing that we don't stop to say, should we 164 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: should we be doing these things? Should Mark Zuckerberg be 165 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: allowed to fucking buy up social media companies and create 166 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: one big giant conglomerate. How does that measure up against 167 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: our anti trust laws that we haven't updated, you know, 168 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: since the invention of the fucking telephone. So you know, 169 00:10:56,080 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: I had spent you know, a little time going back 170 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: and forth with these clowns on Twitter, and then I 171 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: realize I don't actually give a fuck, right, y'all are 172 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: not going to take my energy? Right, my joy, my nothing. 173 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: You don't like what I say, don't fucking listen. That's 174 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: the that's the beauty, right. You don't like what I tweet? 175 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: You don't like that people have me on TV? Don't watch? 176 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: You know, they are a myriad of Joe Rogan wannabes 177 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: and Tucker Carlson wannabes that you can go and connect 178 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,839 Speaker 1: with and love up on right and have nobody ever 179 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: question the why behind things. But I do. That is 180 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: my job, That is my passion and what I believe 181 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: my purpose to be. So if you have not seen 182 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: the clip of me on MSNBC talking about Elon muss By, 183 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: all means go through my Twitter feed because it's filled 184 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: with hay to raid at this At this moment, folks, 185 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: I want to switch gear as I get ready to 186 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: introduce today's interview. We are living in extraordinary times. In 187 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: a couple of months, Rovie Wade will be overturned after 188 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: close to fifty years of existence. So fifty year olds 189 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: right now, do not ever remember a time when you 190 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: weren't able to get an abortion in this land of 191 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: the free, home of the brave. There was also a 192 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: time when you know, women couldn't apply for credit cards 193 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: without their husband's approval or their fathers. I'm pretty sure 194 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,839 Speaker 1: Republicans would like to take us back to that place 195 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: as well, where women and people with uteruses know their 196 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: place right, and their place is not in control of 197 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 1: their own bodies, not in control of their own futures. 198 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: Because that's really what this is about, right. The ability 199 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: to have an abortion, to have one safely, is the 200 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: ability to take your life, your future into your own hands, 201 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: to be able to make the decision about how, when 202 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: and if you want to be a parent. Because here's 203 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: the thing, it's not as if the Republican Party is 204 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: offering up for you all of the wraparound services and 205 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: the aid that you would need. Right if you are 206 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: saying a person that is in a low wage job, 207 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 1: who already has multiple mouths to feed and now realizes 208 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: that they are pregnant right and cannot afford it, it's 209 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: not as if Republicans are coming out and saying we 210 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:51,719 Speaker 1: believe in families so strongly that we are going to 211 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: make pre K universal right, that we are going to 212 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: subsidize your child's daycare, that we are going to ensure 213 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 1: that they have the most robust public education possible, and 214 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 1: that our schools are going to be community hubs because 215 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: we're going to provide you know, breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Right, 216 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: that you're going to have free healthcare for your children. No, No, 217 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: it's Democrats that offer all of those things that Republicans 218 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: try and short change and block right, because government can't 219 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: be the answer to everything, but it can be the 220 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: answer to whether or not you can be apparent. Because 221 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: now we are a country that believes enforced labor right now, 222 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: we are a country that believes that government shouldn't have 223 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: responsibility over anything but be able to dictate how, when, 224 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: and if you have a family. We just this week 225 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: had a federal judge Trump appointed judge who the American 226 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: Bar Association says was unqualified stripe down mask mandates on 227 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: public transportation. Republicans don't give a fuck about your health. 228 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: They don't give a fuck about your wellness, right, but 229 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: they want to talk about liberty and safety. They want 230 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: to know. They don't talk about safety, let me let 231 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: me not misspeak. They want to talk about liberty and 232 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: freedom because to them they are bumper stickers. They have 233 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: no real meaning behind it, just for their ability, their 234 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:36,479 Speaker 1: liberty and their freedom to oppress, to dictate the outcomes 235 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: of everyone else's lives. That's what they want. But do 236 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: you see we never challenge them in the town square, right. 237 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: We want to fight them with facts and statistics as 238 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: opposed to the emotion which leads most of our policy. 239 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: So coming up next is a conversation that really did 240 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: get a bit emotional for myself and my guest, Emily Wales, 241 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: who is the interim CEO of Planned Parenthood in Great Plains, 242 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: and she will talk about what they are up against. 243 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: She will provide real life stories right of the fact 244 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: that while the rest of the country is bracing for 245 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: the end of Rob Wade, she will illuminate from me 246 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: and hopefully all of you that Rob Wade has long 247 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:30,239 Speaker 1: been overturned in many red states that have one abortion 248 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: clinic in an entire state. Right. So we will talk 249 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: about Oklahoma, we will talk about the Supreme corp. But 250 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: most importantly, we will talk about the real lived, the 251 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: real lived and real life implications for the decisions that 252 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: will be coming down in June. That conversation, dear friends 253 00:16:55,640 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: is coming up next, Folks. I am very happy to 254 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,719 Speaker 1: welcome to Okay f Daily for the very first time 255 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: Emily Wales, who is the interim president and CEO of 256 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: Planned Parenthood in Great Plains. Emily, you know, thank you 257 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: so much for making the time, because I can imagine 258 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 1: that your calendar is quite full these days. Can you 259 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: give us some perspective, just how are you feeling right 260 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:34,239 Speaker 1: now with the the onslaught of anti abortion legislation, of 261 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: anti abortion sentiment. Give us give us your feeling on 262 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 1: where you are right now. Yeah, thanks so much for 263 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: having me. Um. It's a hard question to answer. I 264 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,959 Speaker 1: think how I'm feeling. It does feel a little bit 265 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: like we have been in this crazy sprint since September 266 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 1: when our Oklahoma centers started getting overwhelmed with Texans and 267 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: we modified our operations were the number of patient slots 268 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 1: and visits and flying physicians. And now in the middle 269 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: of this race, the legislature and the governor have thrown 270 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: up this giant barrier and potentially blocked us from providing care. 271 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: So I don't know. I think our team is really 272 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: struggling to figure out how we serve patients the best 273 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 1: we can and try to prepare them right now that 274 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: they may schedule an appointment and not actually get care 275 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: with us and have to go somewhere else. So it's 276 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: a it's a pretty overwhelming moment. You know. One of 277 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: the things I had seen recently and spoke about on 278 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: the show was a report that came out. I guess 279 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: a report had started on women in Texas, and you know, 280 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: the report had said that basically forty five of people 281 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: in Texas that are trying to get abortions were going 282 00:18:53,840 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 1: across state lines into Oklahoma, and if half more, almost 283 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: half of those people were headed to Oklahoma. And now 284 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: what we are seeing from the governor is that they're 285 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 1: not only doing an outright ban, they are also criminalizing. 286 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: So can you speak to how we have seen because 287 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: I feel like this is beyond what happened pre Roe V. 288 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: Way like this is beyond nineteen seventy three. The opposition 289 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:32,959 Speaker 1: is moving into a place of criminalization of care. So 290 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: can you speak to that? Yeah, you're absolutely right. I 291 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: think the goal is not to be as restrictive or 292 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: as secretive as a post roal world, but to be worse. 293 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: And there are things about the bills signing this week, 294 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: the governor actually joked about arresting Texans on the state 295 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: line and said, oh no, this will take this law 296 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: will take care of that. We won't even need to 297 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: arrest them now because they can't get care of here. 298 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: There is a level of I think glee on the 299 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 1: Republicans side at seeing this crisis that they are creating, 300 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 1: and they're tripping over themselves to do it. You know, 301 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: we have one band that's been signed and three or 302 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: four other bands that are moving, and we anticipate potentially 303 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 1: he'll sign all of them and we'll end up with 304 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 1: a total band, a thirty day ban, a six week band. 305 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 1: It is hard to understand what the end game is 306 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: except for I think scaring patients on our side and 307 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: getting all kinds of political points and you know, a 308 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: rally among their anti choice supporters. That's what this is, 309 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 1: you know. And the word glee, I'm really happy that 310 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: you that you brought that up, because I think that 311 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: the viciousness and the cruelty that is attached to these 312 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: bills doesn't speak to the excitement right that we are 313 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 1: seeing from their rallies, that we're seeing from these governor signings. 314 00:20:55,320 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: And what are you hearing from patients, whether they're you know, 315 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: is still coming into office or via email or phone. 316 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: What is the sentiment that they that they are expressing. Yeah, 317 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: I think the really heartbreaking thing about this for us 318 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: is that we had patients pretty early on in this 319 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: crisis say to us, I got pulled over on my 320 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: way from Texas and I lied to the officer about 321 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: where I was going. You know, I'm not drunk, I 322 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: was going too fast whatever the issue was, but I 323 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: felt if I told him I was getting an abortion, 324 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: maybe I would be arrested. And the Texas law does 325 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 1: not have criminal effects, but people are scared and they 326 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: don't understand it, and so then to have the governor 327 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: make jokes about that, it just shows how far removed 328 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: to you is from the experienced people are having on 329 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: the ground. They do feel like they can't tell their 330 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: family and friends where they're going, even though some of 331 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: us will say, oh, my partner would be supportive or 332 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: my mom would be supportive, But I don't want to 333 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: put them at risk by telling them that I'm seeking 334 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 1: abortion care, so I didn't say anything, and I came 335 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 1: by myself and I'm trying to figure out how I'm 336 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: to get home, Emily, What are the emotional repercussions of that? 337 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:11,360 Speaker 1: Because this, you know, I talk to abortion activists all 338 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: the time. I try and actually make it a regular 339 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 1: part of topics that I cover on the show, because 340 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: I think that it is so incredibly important to like 341 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: initially with about reducing stigma. Now it is it's it's 342 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: so much bigger than just reducing the stigma. What do 343 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: you think that the emotional effects are? What are you seeing? 344 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: You know, with regard to this deep fear. We have 345 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: patients who are I think, barely making it to us 346 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: because of the strain of getting care, the emotional anxiety 347 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: of not telling anyone feeling like what they're doing is criminal, 348 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: even for those who need it for medical reasons. Right. 349 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: We have patients who come to us and say, my 350 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: doctor advised that I get to Oklahoma. I shouldn't have 351 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,959 Speaker 1: to hide this, and you shouldn't know, patients, you have 352 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,719 Speaker 1: to hide it. But we are worried about what's happening 353 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 1: with our patients, and we have changed, you know, before September. 354 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 1: Most patients could get to us, even with the restrictions 355 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: in place in our states. They could figure out how 356 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,439 Speaker 1: to navigate themselves there. And now what we're seeing is 357 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:24,199 Speaker 1: really the opposite. Most patients cannot without a significant amount 358 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: of support. Where we are helping make their hotel rooms, 359 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: we're helping figure out gas cards, we're helping explain state restrictions. 360 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: Because I think that even the emotional toll of adding 361 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: on the logistical elements in their in their journey to 362 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: get care is too much. And so we're trying to 363 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 1: live where we can alleviate all of those additional barriers. 364 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: We're trying to do that. So all you have to 365 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,120 Speaker 1: do is focus on getting an appointment, getting in your car, 366 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: getting on the road, and then we will take care 367 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:53,959 Speaker 1: of everything we can for you once you get here, 368 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: because it is too much for people to handle. And 369 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: I think about you know, like you just said that 370 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: that people are not even sharing with their loved ones, 371 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,199 Speaker 1: with their families, with their friends. I mean part of 372 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: that being, if you're coming from Texas, the vigilante aspect 373 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: of it, right, If you let me tell you something, 374 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: and this was one of the things that I first 375 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: thing that I thought about when Abbott rolled out this bill. 376 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 1: I said, if people are in a place of economic desperation, right, 377 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 1: which more Americans than not these days find themselves, right, 378 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: and you're looking and you're saying, ten thousand dollars, ten 379 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 1: thousand dollars can be fairly life changing, right, And so 380 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 1: if if so and so won't find out that it 381 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 1: was me that made the call, right, then you know 382 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 1: it's a collection day, and I and so it's in 383 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 1: thinking about that. It's said it like, do you believe 384 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: that part of this is part of this operation that 385 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: Republicans are doing across the country, is about turning neighbor 386 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: against neighbor, is about like seating this distrust. Absolutely. I 387 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: think at first there's a part of me that thought 388 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 1: this was just the most creative approach. Right. There has 389 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: been a race to the bottom. What is the most restrictive, outrageous, 390 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: attention grabbing version of the law we can create, And 391 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: there is an element of that here. But I also 392 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: think it does capture this sort of individualistic, sovereign citizen 393 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: perception people have on the conservative side in this moment, Right, 394 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 1: we are not a collective community. We're not thinking about 395 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: what other people in our world want. We're just thinking 396 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: about what we can get and what we think they 397 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: should do. And that's exactly what this bill does. It 398 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 1: just says it empowers me to decide what care you 399 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: should get or you shouldn't get, and I get to 400 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: turn you in and maybe make some money off of it. 401 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 1: You're so right it. You know, we have moved and 402 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: this is a thing that again I feel like a 403 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: messaging and in speaking with Democrats that the messaging is 404 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: not there. Republicans are not about the collective. They've never 405 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: been about the collective. They've never been about community. It 406 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: is about individualistic desires, greed right at the basis of it, 407 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 1: that this this idea that I am better, Right when 408 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: when Donald Trump came out and said I alone can 409 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: fix this, it is that it is that kind of mentality. 410 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: You know, I know that you're this planned parenthood, Your 411 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 1: planned parenthood is in Great Plains. What is happening with 412 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 1: the collection of plant parenthoods oh around the country. What 413 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 1: is the communication like? And I guess the strategy if 414 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: if if there if there is, if there is one 415 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: or can be one. For a long time, patients have 416 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 1: seen plan parenthood I think with one lens, right, whether 417 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: you go to college, you go to Plant Parenthood, you 418 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: go back home, you go to Planned Parenthood, but you 419 00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: have been going to different affiliates. Right, We're a fed 420 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,679 Speaker 1: rated structure where there are distinctions between the organizations at 421 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: the local level. But right now we are working across 422 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 1: the federation to eliminate those distinctions because it doesn't work 423 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: to go home to Texas after having gotten an abortion 424 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: of Oklahoma and not be part of the same network. 425 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: So we are trying to do as much as possible 426 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: warm handoffs because for a lot of folks, going to 427 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: a Planned Parenthood or an independent abortion provider is the 428 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 1: only place that feels safe to talk about what you've experienced, 429 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: and that's just going to increase. I think as we 430 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: worry about Oklahoma losing access, we think about our Oklahoma 431 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: patients who will now go to Kansas or Colorado or 432 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: New Mexico to get care. And the last thing we 433 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: want is to them to come home and never speak 434 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 1: a word of this, and never say what happened, and 435 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: feel like they can't tell they're obed im This was 436 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: part of my medical history. So I do think the 437 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: Federation is taking that really seriously and trying to create 438 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: a network of safe spaces, because people deserve dignity when 439 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: they get the care, but they are dignity when they 440 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 1: get home, and even if they can't get care at home, 441 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 1: we want to be the place that they can come 442 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: for education, information and just a level of support that 443 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: you can speak about your experience here. You just said 444 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 1: something that I did not think about, which is going 445 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: to see your obgyn and not giving a full picture 446 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: of your history. Can you speak more on that? So, 447 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 1: for instance, we just saw the case in Texas of 448 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: Lizzelle Herrera, Right, Lizzelle Herrera twenty six years old, goes 449 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: to the hospital after administering and at home abortion. I 450 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: don't know, and I still am not clear and maybe 451 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: you know if much in the same way, if you're 452 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: if you go to a hospital and you've been shot, 453 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: it is the hospital must report to the police department 454 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: that we have gunshot victim, right, so that then there 455 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: can be this tracing that happens, right, we is it 456 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: criminal activity? You know all of these things. The hospital 457 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: that miss Herrera went to report it, she was arrested. 458 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: She was being charged with murder. Right um The DA 459 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: ends up dropping that case, thankfully, but that is because 460 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: of that DA right. So if women in people and 461 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: women in Oklahoma then go someplace else for care Kansas, 462 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: like you brought up, they go to an obgyn check 463 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: up in a month or two months or what have you, 464 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: they disclose this does the does it obgyn? Are they 465 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: legally responsible for reporting this? Like? What what does that 466 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: look like? So it does every by state law, and 467 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: we have an O states a version of that that 468 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: does exist already. There are complications reporting requirements where you 469 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: do have to say, a patient disclosed to me that 470 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: they are having you bleeding or some other issue that's 471 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: the results of an abortion complication. Now, sometimes we disagree 472 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: on the medical side what's actually a complication versus an 473 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: adverse outcome that's anticipated? Right? The state of course thinks 474 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: that if you get a headache after your abortion, that 475 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: had to be related to the care. It's this broad 476 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: example of all everything and anything that you might have, 477 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: including maybe feeling criminalized by your state. I think a 478 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: lot of patients based trauma because of state restrictions that 479 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: have nothing to do with the actual care they receive. 480 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: But we do see that you have hospital requirements or 481 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: physician requirements where you have to report those complications to 482 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: the state and they can look into them. That's not 483 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: a shock. The shocking thing, of course, is the criminal 484 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 1: charges that occurred there, and the idea that anyone would 485 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: be punished for the outcome of their pregnancy is horrifying. 486 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: What I think doesn't It doesn't really matter though. What's 487 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 1: we goal is what we're seeing because in our states, 488 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: you can legally get an abortion in Oklahoma, and the 489 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: Texas law doesn't have that extra territoriality issue. It doesn't 490 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: try to reach into Oklahoma and say that's illegal. I 491 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: think we're coming to that. I think we've seen previews 492 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: of that in other states. But right now, you can 493 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: legally get an abortion Oklahoma. But patients are scared to 494 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: say anything. Patients are not going to disclose this because 495 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: they do feel they're asking us, why are my rights 496 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: different here than they were seven or eight months ago? 497 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: Why are they different Oklahoma than they were in Texas? 498 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: And so we as medical providers are trying to give 499 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 1: some answer that is totally unsatisfying, I think to us 500 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: and to them, and we can see in their eyes 501 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: they will not disclose this when they go home. Because 502 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: they don't think that they can. Yeah, let me ask 503 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: you this too, just in thinking about what are some 504 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: of the normal not complications, but the normal after effects 505 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: of an abortion. And if and if you don't disclose 506 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: to an obgyn at of fear, does that can it 507 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: threaten your your life and your and your health. Yeah, 508 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: there absolutely can be complications that you need to get 509 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: follow up care somewhere locally. Right. We often we always 510 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: follow up with our patients your phone calls, We do 511 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 1: tracking and lab work to make sure that their abortion 512 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: completed successfully and that they are healthy. But there are 513 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: times when you may have ongoing bleeding or cramps. There 514 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: are times too where an adverts dot com can be 515 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: that a medication abortion particular is not successful and a 516 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: pregnancy can be ongoing, and you need to know that 517 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: so that you can get subsequent care or repeat a 518 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: process and have you go through the abortion process again. 519 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: If you're doing medication abortion, and if you're not telling 520 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: anyone and if you feel like you can't talk about 521 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: those things, you could have complications that could be very concerning. 522 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: The Rates of complications are low, but it's like any 523 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: medical procedure where you need to have follow up in 524 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: a conversation with a medical provider if you can, Emily, 525 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: what happens to planned parenthood in Great Plains um following 526 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: the institution of this law. Plant. I mean, abortion is 527 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: not the only care that you will provide. But I 528 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: can remember in you know, in college, going to planned parenthood. 529 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: I went to school in Virginia, so it was in Washington, DC. 530 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,239 Speaker 1: And you know, I remember the picketers, right, Like, I 531 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: remember those people. And I'm just like, I'm going in 532 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,239 Speaker 1: here for like a regular check up, Like I'm just 533 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not home by my regular doctor, right, 534 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: So this is this is where I'm going for care. 535 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: What happens? What do you what? What do you envision? 536 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: We have been in Oklahoma in particular for decades, right 537 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: and the majority of our services even now, even with 538 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: the increase in need and abortion care, the majority of 539 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: our services our contraception and STI testing and treatment, cancer screening. 540 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: So we'll still provide all of those services, but for 541 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: abortion patients in particular, we will have to become the 542 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 1: place where you've come to find out if you're pregnant, 543 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: talk to someone safe about the options you have with 544 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: a pregnancy, and then we will help navigate you out 545 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 1: of state and will also be there to provide support 546 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: services when you get home and follow up there. It 547 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: will look very different for abortion patients, but we're still 548 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: going to be here. You know, We've lived through this 549 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: in other parts of our territory. In Missouri, when I 550 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: joined Planned Parenthoodway Plans, we had two abortion facility licenses 551 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 1: and both of them were lost due to state restrictions 552 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: where the web of requirements became totally untenable and we 553 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 1: couldn't meet everything. And we still have protesters every single 554 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: day at some of those centers, even though they haven't 555 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 1: provided abortion care in a number of years. And the 556 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 1: protesters know that they know what's on our schedule, they 557 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: know what's services we offer, and it is not a deterrent. 558 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 1: I think for many of them, My parenthood is going 559 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: to be the you know, the bad guy, no matter 560 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 1: what it is. It's a part of their of their work, 561 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 1: So they show up every single day and harass patients 562 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: who are coming in for birth control. Are you worried, 563 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: Emily about this shit? You know, because at the beginning 564 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:29,400 Speaker 1: we're talking about the gleefulness, and I am stuck on 565 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: the gleefulness and the sinister nature of the Republican strategy 566 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 1: and plan and the escalation that we are seeing. Are 567 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 1: you worried? Are the people that work you know with 568 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:48,399 Speaker 1: you concerned? Yeah, I'm really worried. I'm worried about our 569 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,400 Speaker 1: patients and the folks who won't become our patients because 570 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 1: they can't take care or feel like they can. I'm 571 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 1: worried about I think the level of vitriol that's directed 572 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 1: at people who could get pregnant in this country and 573 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 1: the fact that their medical choices are not their own. 574 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 1: There is something just so deeply disturbing about the desire 575 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:15,839 Speaker 1: I think of politicians, particularly light conservative male politicians, who 576 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,359 Speaker 1: feel very comfortable reaching in and trying to control other 577 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: people's lives. So, yeah, I'm deeply worried about them, and 578 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: I'm worried about our team members too. In this moment 579 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: of crisis. You know, we have been it feels a 580 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 1: little bit like we had this tidal wave of Texans 581 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: come to Oklahoma and we scrambled and made care happen 582 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 1: for more patients than we ever have for abortion services 583 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,319 Speaker 1: in the past. And then the legislature just you know, 584 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 1: had the wave go right over us. And all it 585 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 1: means is that patients who can gather the resources and 586 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 1: figure out logistics, they will go to neighboring states, they 587 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 1: will go farther, they will sleep in their car another night. 588 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: But a whole bunch of patients are not going to 589 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,240 Speaker 1: be able to do that, and that is a reality 590 00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 1: that absolutely keeps me and I think our team up 591 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 1: and night. Last question for you, Emily. For people who 592 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: are listening to this and they want to do something, 593 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 1: they want to be of help, they what can they 594 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 1: do a few different things. One thing is support local 595 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: abortion funds. It has been so critical to our work 596 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,720 Speaker 1: in providing travel supports for patients. We went from doing 597 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 1: six seven thousand dollars a month primarily for Missourians to 598 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,840 Speaker 1: get to Kansas because Missouri has been living in a 599 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: reality of far too few abortion providers for a long time, 600 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 1: so that was happening before. But now we're doing sixty 601 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 1: five seventy five thousand dollars a month in travel supports, 602 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: and that is largely made possible by local abortion funds 603 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 1: who are helping people get hotel costs covered, who are 604 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,840 Speaker 1: helping with gas. So find out what those are visit 605 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,400 Speaker 1: our website pp great planes. We are trying to offset 606 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 1: the cost of care as much as possible. And then 607 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 1: I think, you know, an interesting thing to consider too, 608 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,720 Speaker 1: is that in our four states, we have three states 609 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,200 Speaker 1: with trigger laws where abortion will become outlawed if ros 610 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 1: overturn or maybe even before then considering the Texas style 611 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 1: bands we have moving. But Kansas stands in this really 612 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,400 Speaker 1: unique position in that it has a state constitutional protection 613 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 1: for abortion. It will continue providing care. It will be 614 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,879 Speaker 1: the next, I think, at the front line location for us. 615 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 1: But Kansons are going to vote on August second on 616 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 1: whether or not they keep the state constitutional protection or 617 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 1: remove it, and I think really go against the course 618 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: of history and take out protections in their own constitution 619 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 1: for people who are pregnant to make decisions about their pregnancies. 620 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: So we have this battle on multiple fronts. We're trying 621 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,360 Speaker 1: to provide care, we're trying to get as many patients 622 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 1: seen as possible, but we are totally focused on communicating 623 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 1: to Kansens what the crisis looks like, because we know 624 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 1: it is happening just south in Oklahoma and people are 625 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,319 Speaker 1: going to be in crisis soon in Kansas. And so 626 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 1: we are doing all we can to educate and communicate 627 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 1: that bands are coming to Kansas if we don't get 628 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 1: together and respond and protect access here. Emily, I can't 629 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 1: thank you enough one for the work that you're doing, 630 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 1: to you, to your staff, to the volunteers, all of 631 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: the people in Great Plains that are assisting people at 632 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 1: a really terrifying moment in our country. And I hope 633 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 1: that you will come back and join us on will 634 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 1: Gap and keep us posted on all that's happening and 635 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 1: how people can continue to get involved. I appreciate you, 636 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,399 Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate you, and thank you for talking 637 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,440 Speaker 1: about this. I think it's been a thing that not 638 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 1: enough of us have wanted to say publicly, what care 639 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,240 Speaker 1: looks like, how close we were to a crisis. Texas 640 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 1: is a huge state, but as you add even smaller 641 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,520 Speaker 1: states like Oklahoma, the system it's about to break and 642 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,360 Speaker 1: we are seeing that now. So I appreciate you talking 643 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:06,960 Speaker 1: about it. Thank you. That is it for me to 644 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 1: day on woke f as always, Power to the people 645 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,320 Speaker 1: and to all the people. Power, get woke and stay 646 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:16,479 Speaker 1: woke as fuck.