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Speaker 1: This is the most traumatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Chris Harrison coming to you from the home

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Speaker 1: office in Austin, Texas. Hope everybody's being safe as a

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Speaker 1: massive hurricane is just made landfall here in Texas, going

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Speaker 1: the East coast. So everybody be safe this week with

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Speaker 1: all the crazy weather going on. I'm excited about the

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Speaker 1: show today because someone who was a part of well,

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Speaker 1: you know how I say, used to say, this is

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Speaker 1: the most dramatic moment ever. Well, this was the most

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Speaker 1: dramatic moment ever. It was Jason Mesnick's season of The Bachelor.

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Speaker 1: It was two thousand and nine and he got engaged

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Speaker 1: to Melissa, and then there was the infamous switch where

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Speaker 1: Jason broke up with Melissa asked Molly out for a date.

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Speaker 1: The rest is Bachelor and history for all of them,

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Speaker 1: because now Jason and Molly are married and Melissa went

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Speaker 1: off to Dance with the Stars, did a bunch of

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Speaker 1: other stuff and is now happily married to her old

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Speaker 1: boyfriend Tie. They have three kids. But it was a moment,

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Speaker 1: a light bulb moment in the history of the show.

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Speaker 1: And again when I say, well, you know, when people

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Speaker 1: say what was the most dramatic, this was it. So

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Speaker 1: you know, the show had been on for gost two

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Speaker 1: thousand and nine, so we've been on since two thousand

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Speaker 1: and two, so you know, good seven years. This was

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Speaker 1: season thirteen of The Bachelor, which is hard to believe

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Speaker 1: because it seems so much long longer. But this really

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Speaker 1: blew things up in a way that it's hard to

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Speaker 1: even fathom now because there wasn't social media. There wasn't

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Speaker 1: a lot of what we have now that made things

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Speaker 1: not having all those avenues to talk about it, it

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Speaker 1: was massive, very controversial and a lot of ways. So

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Speaker 1: the show we're doing today is with Melissa Ryecroft. It's

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Speaker 1: a conversation I've really never had publicly with her. We've talked,

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Speaker 1: but it's been a while since I've seen her and

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Speaker 1: mother of three. But it's a conversation I've wanted to

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Speaker 1: have for a very long time. So I'm so excited

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Speaker 1: to have Melissa Yecraft on the show today because not

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Speaker 1: only were going to talk about Bachelor, bacherette stuff. But

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Speaker 1: she was also a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader just a year

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Speaker 1: before she came on The Bachelor. She was a Dallas

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Speaker 1: Cowboys surely a very popular one, had been there for

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Speaker 1: two years. And you know the reality show that is

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Speaker 1: blowing things up right now on Netflix. We got to

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Speaker 1: dive into that as well. So so much to talk

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Speaker 1: about with our guest today, Melissa Ryecroft. Melissa, it's so

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Speaker 1: good to see you again. Welcome to the show. I've

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Speaker 1: been I've been waiting for this talk for a long time.

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Speaker 1: Uh oh no, in a good way. I just I

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Speaker 1: just haven't seen you in a while. I mean, obviously

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Speaker 1: you have been raising three kids. What's what are the

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Speaker 1: what are the ages? Again?

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Speaker 2: I have a thirteen year old now ten and eight,

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Speaker 2: so in a way in it, but they're getting bigger.

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Speaker 1: Your oldest is thirteen.

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Speaker 3: And my young my Caubooz is eight. Like that's really

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Speaker 3: sad to me.

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Speaker 1: It's wild. So eight is that? Let's see? I said,

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Speaker 1: is it like fourth grade? Third grade? What is that?

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's been a long time for you, hasn't it.

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Speaker 1: No? Suse yes, Second, he's going in a second. So

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Speaker 1: he started, Okay, so because I know they start around

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Speaker 1: four or five, depending on old they are. That's kindergarten. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: then first, second, third, Yeah, okay, that has been a

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Speaker 1: look minor, I mean one out of college, one's about

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Speaker 1: I bring on former constants from the show, that seem

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Speaker 1: and I don't mean this in a bad way because

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Speaker 1: it just ages both of us, but it's to me,

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Speaker 1: it honestly feels like a lifetime ago. But it's also

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Speaker 1: weird because it was season thirteen of The Bachelor, so

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Speaker 1: obviously we'd done it for a while. It was seven

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Speaker 1: years in. But at the same time, at two thousand

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Speaker 2: I mean I still probably get recognized more for Bachelor,

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Speaker 2: I mean again it's aging. It's this was twenty plus

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Speaker 2: mean I was twenty three, I think going into or

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Speaker 2: people will still come up to me like, oh, you

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Speaker 2: look so better off. I'm like, it's been twenty years.

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Speaker 2: But yes, I mean it was a long time ago.

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Speaker 2: But when I even see clips online, I'm like, that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't imagine. I mean even when I see

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Speaker 1: you know, Alex Michelle or Bob Guiney or Trista, which

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Speaker 1: it's that time capsule gets dug up and you're like,

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Speaker 1: I mean you were fresh out of college. I mean

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Speaker 1: you had gone to North Texas, you had danced for

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Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders for two years, and then you

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Speaker 3: The Bachelor, and then I came on The Bachelor. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And I think I've told you the story that I

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Speaker 3: My now husband right now with Ti.

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Speaker 2: Had been together for about two years and broke up

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Speaker 2: it had one of my girlfriends who was a cheerleader

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Speaker 3: I don't know how the process is now.

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Speaker 2: Back in the day, you could go online and just

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Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I don't think they know how the

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Speaker 3: And yeah, it just kind of happened. It was.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was funny. I'm shocked. I think you were

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Speaker 1: the first, maybe in even the only Dallas Cowboy cheerleader.

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Speaker 1: Because I'm a big Cowboy fan and I know the

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Speaker 1: if our paths ever came so close to crossing or

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Speaker 3: Weird. Yeah, no, I think about that stuff.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it was The cheerleaders back then were very

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Speaker 3: I guess. Yeah, now they're bona fide celebrities.

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Speaker 1: Right, it's gotten so much bigger.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely a different thing. There was a girl,

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I was just I mean because as I

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Speaker 1: I say that quite a bit, and I said it

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Speaker 1: over twenty years, but I say it was this moment

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Speaker 1: The most, still still does. I mean, there were there

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Speaker 1: know the Jake Pavelka season that got wild, and you

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Speaker 1: I've spent time with you and we've chatted before. But

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Speaker 1: to think back on what an indelible mark this made

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Speaker 1: like you, you would just tell me about it, but I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was I imagine for you it was completely awkward.

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Speaker 2: What what I specifically remember is when they would cut

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Speaker 2: to the commercial quote unquote, we're taking a break, and

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Speaker 2: it would just be silence nobody. And now that I've

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Speaker 2: done a few things, but that's not what happened. You

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Speaker 3: It was.

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Speaker 1: It was And for those that don't remember, or maybe

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Speaker 1: season thirteen to The Bachelor, Jason Mesnik was our bachelor.

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Speaker 1: We get to the end and we are in New Zealand, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and which was beautiful. And so we're in New Zealand

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Speaker 1: and it was pretty close coming to the end, but

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Speaker 1: and that's what happened. There was a proposal, It was beautiful,

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Speaker 1: We had a great time. We pop champagne, We go home. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we jump in the pool, yeah, we had all these

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Speaker 1: moments and we you know, one of the funny things

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Speaker 1: before I move forward. I don't know if you know this,

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Speaker 1: but the proposal. Maybe this was like an omen Maybe

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Speaker 1: this was God saying guys, don't do this. But right

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Speaker 1: as the proposals about to happen, obviously we know he's

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Speaker 1: out in the control room. No, just it's never happened before,

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Speaker 1: So it's unlike kind of anything I had ever showed before. Either.

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00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:05,200
Speaker 1: It was really strange and sterile almost.

436
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,320
Speaker 2: It felt like it was just the three of us

437
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,199
Speaker 2: in a dark Yeah is what it felt like.

438
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

439
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,480
Speaker 1: I felt and, like you said, awkward as it starts

440
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:18,520
Speaker 1: and Jason starts talking and he says, you know we're

441
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,359
Speaker 1: going to break up? Yeah? Whatever, Yeah, I saw this

442
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:22,440
Speaker 1: change come over you.

443
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 3: I you know what it was embarrassment.

444
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 2: I think when I was so embarrassed that I had

445
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:33,919
Speaker 2: gone on this show with people telling me not to

446
00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,000
Speaker 2: do it, my parents telling me don't do it.

447
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,879
Speaker 3: I knew people were going to watch this love story.

448
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 2: They were gonna watch me get engaged, they were gonna

449
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 2: watch me be happy, and then they're gonna watch me

450
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:47,439
Speaker 2: get dumped and broken up with.

451
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,200
Speaker 3: And I was so mad at him.

452
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,119
Speaker 2: In that moment, because again, we had just had this

453
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 2: conversation of just tell me if something's happening, tell me.

454
00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 3: I don't.

455
00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, I'm with you. We're not on the

456
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,200
Speaker 2: same right now, but he'll be against me. So yeah,

457
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,200
Speaker 2: I mean there were a lot of weird emotions. And

458
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:06,879
Speaker 2: then I'll be honest, I was looking at you. I

459
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 2: was looking at production, going, everybody is about to happen

460
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,879
Speaker 2: to me and nobody. They sent me out here in

461
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 2: the stupid dress with his stupid ring.

462
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 1: And I think you even said in your cute little

463
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 1: twenty three year old boys like, I'm so mad at you. Well,

464
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 1: and then I.

465
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 2: Started hardly talking in the third person, which I never do.

466
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:29,200
Speaker 1: I don't know how many time I don't remember that.

467
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:30,679
Speaker 3: That's so I can't watch it.

468
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:35,640
Speaker 1: I can't Melissa Ryecroft is this doesn't happen to Melissa.

469
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 1: Melissa does this to guys?

470
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,640
Speaker 2: It was no, I never did, that was the thing.

471
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 2: But I think I was just really embarrassed. I was

472
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 2: so mad at him at the time, and I just

473
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 2: wanted to get off that stage and get out.

474
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,920
Speaker 1: Well, I can think now too, it's you know, that

475
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 1: would be like my son right now, which is crazy

476
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 1: to think he's twenty two about to turn twenty three.

477
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,679
Speaker 1: That would be him right now doing being faced with

478
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:05,120
Speaker 1: something like that, and you are wholly unprepared mentally, emotionally

479
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,120
Speaker 1: to handle something like that.

480
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and not.

481
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 2: Even realizing at that point again because this was all new,

482
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 2: but that millions.

483
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 3: Of people were going to watch this reaction.

484
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 2: And I remember as I was leaving and I went,

485
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 2: I'm going to somehow look like the horrible person. Right,

486
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 2: he's the bachelor, he's the guy.

487
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to know that's interesting.

488
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, my fault and that I've done something and now

489
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 2: I you know, I'm going to be the villain in

490
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 2: all of this.

491
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 1: So at least that wasn't the case that he he

492
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 1: became the biggest villain in the history of the show.

493
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 2: Can I just say the one thing that I really

494
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 2: hated out of all of this because you, I mean,

495
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 2: you were there a little bit, but not a lot,

496
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 2: like Molly and I were friends and all the girls

497
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 2: that we were genuinely friends. Jillian and I have coffee

498
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 2: in the morning. I never had anything towards Molly, and

499
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 2: I don't think I had anything towards me.

500
00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 1: I feel no, for sure.

501
00:23:59,080 --> 00:23:59,199
Speaker 3: Not.

502
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 2: The media set this whole thing up of you must

503
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 2: hate each other, and I'm like him.

504
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:04,959
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest.

505
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got at her because she was there for

506
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 2: the same reason I was. We got along, right, and yeah,

507
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 2: there was never anything anything between us, And to be honest,

508
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 2: once I came home and got over the stuff, I

509
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 2: wasn't even mad at Jason.

510
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 3: I was like, you did me a favorite, dude, I'm happy, right.

511
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

512
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 1: As you get older, you learn, you're like, oh, yeah,

513
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 1: I just read to everything that's happened, and yeah, totally

514
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 1: you yeah, but that is I do remember. Well. First

515
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 1: of all, my perspective was a It was the most awkward,

516
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 1: horrifying thing to be sitting through because it's like two

517
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 1: friends of yours are getting are breaking up, and you're like,

518
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna sit here quietly, and and by the way,

519
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 1: one foot away from you, I'm just gonna stay here.

520
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna look at you. It was so awkward.

521
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 1: I just wanted to dig a hole underneath my chair,

522
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,199
Speaker 1: crawl in it, and just go away. But so, you know,

523
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: as a young kind of host, because I you know,

524
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,479
Speaker 1: I've been doing this seven years, but it was this

525
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 1: was different, and it was unlike anything I had ever

526
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 1: hosted before, unlike anything that had ever happened. Again, this

527
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 1: had never happened on the show before, it never happened

528
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 1: on reality TV before. It was very groundbreaking and very

529
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: earth shattering at the time, and it kind of if

530
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 1: the Internet had really been firing at that point with

531
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: social media, it broke the Internet.

532
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 3: I'm so glad it was not, by the way, I

533
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 3: am so glad.

534
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 1: Would you imagine could you imagine if social media had

535
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 1: existed back then?

536
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 2: Uh No, I mean I am so thankful, Like I

537
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 2: think there's people going, oh my gosh, but do you

538
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,400
Speaker 2: know how huge you guys would be. And I am

539
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 2: so thankful that all of that happened. And I actually

540
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 2: had time to go home six process go through all

541
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 2: those emotions. Because again, you know how I was telling you,

542
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 2: I went through all the happiness on my own. I

543
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 2: also had to go through this breakup on my own.

544
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 2: Like I went back home after this filming. Oh man,

545
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 2: we couldn't tell anybody. Hey, I was engaged for six

546
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 2: weeks and then I got dumped. Oh and he went

547
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 2: back to the other girl.

548
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,360
Speaker 1: You're going to see it all, play it on national TV.

549
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 2: I'm at home in my cubicle, just like spiraling, Like

550
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 2: I don't understand what's happened in my life the past

551
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,199
Speaker 2: two months. It was a very surreal moment, and I

552
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 2: cannot imagine if on top of that, I was dealing

553
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 2: with people on social media who you've got half that

554
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 2: are nice and then you've got half that are just nasty.

555
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: About everything you're being kind, I would say three quarters.

556
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 2: Right as a twenty three year old, I mean, that'll

557
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 2: totally affect you.

558
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, no, I do you know, I don't

559
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: relish the people that go through. It's changed now, it's

560
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: actually it ebbs and flows. It was huge for a minute, right,

561
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: it was like it got really really big. Now I

562
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: don't know how much social media cares anymore. The show

563
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 1: is just not as as relevant socially relevant as it

564
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: used to be. But for a while, you know, when

565
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: some of these women like Caitlin Bristow or some of

566
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: these women would go through the show, I'm like, good lord,

567
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 1: they're just getting hammered from all sides. And again it's

568
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: the worst of the worst. And if you're young, like

569
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: being older, you know, by then I understood. And people

570
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: sent death threats to me all the time. I mean

571
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 1: I would eat those for breakfast, and you just got

572
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 1: you know, people would say things about you that are

573
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: just horrifying or your family, and you let them roll

574
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: off your back. But when you're twenty two twenty three

575
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 1: to twenty five whatever these people are when they're on

576
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: the show. That stuff's devastating.

577
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that I think becomes what you think your

578
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 2: identity is. When you start here say that about you, Well.

579
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 1: When you wrap your identity up and the good stuff, right,

580
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: you want to believe that you're that great. You know,

581
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 1: everyone's telling you you're awesome, you're awesome, and you start

582
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 1: to actually believe you're awesome, which also isn't true. You're

583
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: not you know, you're not as good as Yeah, you're

584
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: not as good as the press says, but you're not

585
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: as bad as social media says. But people do start

586
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: believing that they are real, these huge celebrities and they're stars,

587
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: and you know, because the world has opened up to

588
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: you in a way that you are not prepared for

589
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,719
Speaker 1: or used to. Red carpets and you're flying first class

590
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 1: here on the late night shows and you're up here,

591
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: and then you get torn down because people want to

592
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 1: do that on social media and it's really brutal.

593
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 2: Well, they want to tear you down, but also there's

594
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 2: always somebody knocking at that door. There is going to

595
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 2: be the next bachelorette that's gonna then take all your

596
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 2: thunder and as awesome as you were for six months.

597
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 2: Now you're like, well, wait a minute, wait a minute.

598
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, what about me? Remember me?

599
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 3: So I am very.

600
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 2: Glad I didn't have that. You know, I was able to.

601
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 2: I had a cool little career come out for a

602
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 2: few years, but then I was able to just come

603
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 2: back to Dallas and be a wife and be a

604
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 2: mom and do what I kind of always wanted to do.

605
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: Did you did you ever talk to Jason, Molly or Melissa, like,

606
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: have you are yell in contact at all? Or did

607
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: y'all ever get a chance to chat?

608
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 2: No?

609
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 3: You know there was one time you remember that show

610
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 3: Wife Slop.

611
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: Baby, So yeah, y'all did that?

612
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 3: Didn't No, he did not.

613
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 2: Thankfully we were this was this was fifteen years ago,

614
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 2: and ty and I were going through the process of

615
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 2: it and I was like, I don't know, it could

616
00:28:58,520 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 2: be fun whatever.

617
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

618
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 3: Thankfully at the end, one of.

619
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 2: The producers, and she probably was not supposed to tell

620
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 2: me this, she goes, hey, I just want to give

621
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 2: you a heads up. They want to swap you with

622
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 2: Jason and Mollie and Tyne.

623
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: I went, no, that's a no for us. By the

624
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: way great producing. I respect the producers. You know what

625
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: I did to trying to pull that off.

626
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 2: I hope, yeah, but I went there. They're gonna want

627
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 2: this weird conversation that isn't even needed anymore, and they

628
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 2: want the drama.

629
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,239
Speaker 3: Right, We've all moved I had kids, I think they

630
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 3: had had kids at that point. I'm like, it's just.

631
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: Not I would love I don't really care about you

632
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: and Jason. I would love for you and Molly to

633
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: have a cup of coffee someday, not not on.

634
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 3: Camera, because she got annihilated with him.

635
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: She got hammered too, and unfairly, so I mean it

636
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: was and look, I mean everyone honestly got unfairly hammered.

637
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: Jason shouldn't have been that, you know, villified either. It

638
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: wasn't you know, it wasn't cool, but it wasn't the

639
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: worst thing in the world. He wasn't the devil, and

640
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: he you know, everybody moved on, and you I love

641
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: the fact that he and Molly fought, you know, fought

642
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: through all of it, stayed together. They're happily married with kids.

643
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: So everybody ended up where they should in life. It just,

644
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't always happen in the perfect way.

645
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: As I always say, is the stuff I went through.

646
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: It's like God. God gives you a lot of blessings,

647
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: a lot of gifts. It doesn't always come in a

648
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: beautiful little box with a bow on it under the tree.

649
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 3: Right right.

650
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 2: I mean, at the end of the day, Jason and

651
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 2: I were never a relationship that was going to last anyway,

652
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 2: whether it ended six weeks after we got engaged, or

653
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,719
Speaker 2: whether we tried to force it create a marriage that

654
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 2: was ultimately not gonna last.

655
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 3: Like it was not a relationship that was supposed to happen.

656
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: Because I remember talking to you later because we'll talk

657
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: about this, Melissa and I and I know you guys

658
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: don't remember we ended up hosting a show together. Yes,

659
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: we co hosted a show together. But before that, you know,

660
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: I do remember you going back to Tye and I

661
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: think you know, or I'll just ask you, did that

662
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: give you the perspective of who you are, what you

663
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: really want and to go back and find that and

664
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: to work on that.

665
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 3: Yes, well it was twofold for us.

666
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 2: Like I I came out of The Bachelor, I feel

667
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 2: like a very different person than I went in. I

668
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 2: came out stronger. I came out realizing I'm in all

669
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 2: these relationships wanting you to want me, wanting you to

670
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 2: want me, and I'm not ever sitting there going but

671
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 2: do I want you?

672
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: Yeah?

673
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 3: Are you selling yourself to me?

674
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: Are you a value at in my life?

675
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 2: I I don't know why I was so insecure because

676
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 2: I look back at my twenty three year old SLF

677
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 2: going girlfriend. You had a ton of things going for you,

678
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: and yet you were oddly insecure. And now having a

679
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 2: daughter now that I like, I get hyper aware of that,

680
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 2: of like what happens to make you not realize your worth?

681
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 3: And so I did.

682
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 2: I came out going I'm not doing this anymore. And

683
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 2: at the same time, while I was gone on the Bachelor,

684
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 2: Ty realized that he wanted to be with me right

685
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 2: when he saw me with somebody else and he saw

686
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 2: the end that I was engaged to somebody else, that

687
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 2: that was his is holy crap, you know what. I

688
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 2: wasn't ready.

689
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 3: Right.

690
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 2: I let her go and the worst scenario happened, and

691
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 2: so he fought back for me. So I think our

692
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 2: relationship worked because we had both changed. It was not

693
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 2: the same relationship that it was the first time. But

694
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 2: would it have happened if I hadn't left.

695
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 3: I don't think so.

696
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: I don't think it wasn't the break you wanted, but

697
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: it was the break you needed to realize both of you.

698
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: And so you get done with the with the Bachelor

699
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: and you did Dance with the Stars. You did? You

700
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: won that? Didn't you think you won?

701
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 3: I wont it the second time?

702
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: Not?

703
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, the first time, I didn't.

704
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: But I also know that they wanted you to be

705
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: the bachelorette. Yes, they wanted you bad to be the

706
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: bachelrett Yes that was It ended up being Jillian Jillian

707
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: season of the Bacherette, who we love and I, oh

708
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: my god. And no offense, but I had a blast

709
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: to a Jillian. Yeah.

710
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 3: No, I'm going to take it either load.

711
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: But I you know, and this wasn't me making these decisions,

712
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: So I can just say this honestly, I know they

713
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: wanted you desperately because it just made sense. I mean,

714
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: after what we'd just seen, the trials and tribulations, that's

715
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: what we did at the time. I mean it was

716
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: the perfect segue into making Melissa Ryecroft the batcherette. Tell

717
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: me how that how those talks went and why didn't

718
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: you do it?

719
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 2: I was in the limo on my way back to

720
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 2: my hotel after Jason had just broken up with me,

721
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 2: and Carrie Lee was doing my interview.

722
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: Your producer at the time, right, and she.

723
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 2: Goes, Hey, but good news is you get to be

724
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 2: the bachelorette now, and I went, I am fifteen minutes

725
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 2: off of this stage.

726
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: I'll talk about too soon, right.

727
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 2: And I went and that's like, you think that's a

728
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 2: consolation price And I went, no, No, I am.

729
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 3: Not in that at all.

730
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: It's going to be a no for me to know.

731
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 2: And then Martin was calling me. They were very adamant

732
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 2: that I needed to finish my story. That's what the

733
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 2: audience needs to see that you're happy the audience.

734
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 4: Hey.

735
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 2: And my argument, to be fair was, listen, I just

736
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 2: saw you throw your bachelor under the bus, and I

737
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 2: would feel stupid saying sure, I'll jump right back into that.

738
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: You guys will never do that to me, right.

739
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm like, I would be an idiot to

740
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: trust that you would make this work.

741
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: For me, and not very very savvy of you at

742
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: the time.

743
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 3: At the well, I mean, you know, I was upset.

744
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 2: I was embarrassed. I was so and I know how

745
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 2: production works. Now, again, this is all twenty twenty five years.

746
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 2: At the time, though, I was like, I feel like

747
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 2: I was a little puppet and everybody knew what was happening.

748
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: Well, by the way, that's not exactly how production works.

749
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: That's how the Batchelor production works. And as you know,

750
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: if you've learned anything, there is nothing like that show

751
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: in the world of television.

752
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 2: No, what's so funny is you know? Dancing with the

753
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 2: Stars came pretty quick after all that, and you.

754
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 1: Know, Dina casts the casting director. She cast a lot

755
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 1: of shows, but she was the casting director for Dancing

756
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: with the Stars for quite some time.

757
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 2: But I would ask her stuff. I said, so at

758
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 2: the hotel, is it my name or is it another name?

759
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 2: And she goes, yes, it's your name. Why would it

760
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 2: be anybody else that I was like, oh, because I

761
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 2: was a whole. I was a character, and like they

762
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,959
Speaker 2: never start aims on Bachelor, but things that I would

763
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,959
Speaker 2: tell her and she's like, oh, my gosh, no, that's

764
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 2: not how we do it. You're allowed to go out

765
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 2: during the day, you can go. I was like, I

766
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:39,959
Speaker 2: don't have to stay in my hotel room.

767
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 3: I can do things.

768
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, we come out of this traumatized and damaged, expecting

769
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: the worst, which is which is probably a good thing,

770
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: because after you do that show and what happened to you,

771
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: you were prepared for everything and everything else was just

772
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,439
Speaker 1: positive in a bonus, I.

773
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 2: Guess so, but yeah, I did. I was very adamant.

774
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 2: They did not take my nose. They they fought for

775
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 2: a long time. They kept up in the money. I

776
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 2: remember that they what.

777
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: Did the money get to? Did it get over six figures?

778
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 3: No? No, but this was two thousand and nine too.

779
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 1: It was h no, No, it's exactly.

780
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 2: I know that.

781
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: I know Emily Maynard got really high just because of

782
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 1: you know, she had a daughter and it was it

783
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: was taking a lot to get her. But I know,

784
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: I just remember on the periphery, I would call and

785
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: me be like, you know, do because I assumed you

786
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 1: were going to be the bacherette. And this is also

787
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: you and I weren't chatting and talking. You know, again,

788
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: we don't have social media where you could just text somebody.

789
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: But I just assumed you were going to do it

790
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: like they because they are persuasive.

791
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 3: Once those numbers kept going up, I was like, dude,

792
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 3: I make twenty five thousand dollars a year, my cube.

793
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: Well, and you're at this point, you're what twenty three,

794
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: twenty four years old. It's a year later, and I

795
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: know who's talking to you. It is the creator of

796
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: the show. It's all the executive producers. My guess is

797
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: the head of reality at ABC was definitely talking to you.

798
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: And I think at the time the president of the

799
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: network was coming after you. The president of ABC guys.

800
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: To put in perspective, that doesn't happen eventually. Typically the

801
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: Bachelor bechette may meet them, may may meet them, but

802
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: you were getting the full court press because they felt

803
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 1: like the franchise hinged on you coming back to us.

804
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I see that now. At the time, I

805
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 3: didn't realize.

806
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't I'm telling them, no, I

807
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 2: don't understand why nobody's listening to me. And every time

808
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 2: that I would see a phone like a number from

809
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 2: California calling me, I was like, oh my god, we

810
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 2: have to do this conversation again. But I understand now

811
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 2: why they needed me or what I represent, right, They

812
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: needed that full circle moment because it wouldn't make sense

813
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 2: to bring anybody else in after seeing what they.

814
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: Just saw right. Well, and it's kind of we were

815
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: I say again, the third person, we like the Bachelor

816
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 1: franchise was catching heat for what we did to you.

817
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 1: And and one of the interesting things in a lesson

818
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: I learned, as much as I had done television, one

819
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: of the great lessons I learned was we made the

820
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: mistake of not figuring out a way to make to

821
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: explain to people how time had passed and in the timeframe.

822
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 1: So what happened was we were in New Zealand, Melyssa

823
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: gets engaged to Jason. We're happy, happy, you jump in

824
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: a pool. This is crazy. Oh my god, it's the

825
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: greatest because everybody loved you. I mean, you were America's sweetheart.

826
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: Everybody loved you. And Jason the single dad, and oh

827
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 1: my god, this is great. Commercial break. Buy some McDonald's,

828
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: buy some laundry detergent, Come back, Dark Studio.

829
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 3: It aired the same night, didn't it. They did the

830
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:48,720
Speaker 3: finale and the afternats.

831
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: Well say, it was two and a half minutes later. Literally,

832
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 1: we take a commercial break and we come right back

833
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: to me. You know, Darth Maul, Darth Vader in this

834
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: dark studio like death warmed over with this very solemn

835
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: we are doing this out of respect? Is like wait,

836
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: like what Melissa's hair is still wet? She just fell

837
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: in a pool two minutes ago, and now we're bringing

838
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 1: you out for this unbelievably sad, destructive moment. People tore

839
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: us apart. I caught so much for that.

840
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 3: I didn't know any of that stuff.

841
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: Had taken and that wasn't out of malicious intent at all.

842
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 1: That was just us being producers and not thinking ahead

843
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: of how was this going to be perceived by Bachelor

844
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 1: Nation in the public. And I will tell you how

845
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: it was perceived not well, not well. And so another

846
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: another reason why everybody woke up for months at a

847
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: time and just had meeting upon meeting of how do

848
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 1: we get Melissa back? Because we also kind of needed

849
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: you to validate us again and say, oh, I don't

850
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: hate them. You know these people are okay.

851
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 3: And to be fair, I have never said I hated No,

852
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 3: you did not.

853
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 2: I've never come out and said they're awful, they're horrible,

854
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 2: because I wouldn't have ended up where I did without Batcheltte.

855
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,439
Speaker 1: And in fact, you, to the contrary, you came back,

856
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: and you were a part of our family, and you

857
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: did things with this and all that. You were never

858
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: malicious and you were never mean. The fans knew to

859
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: do that without you, But that.

860
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 2: Was also kind of I think, if I recall, my

861
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 2: first season of dancing was like the first seasons of

862
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 2: social media. Like I remember having a Twitter and never

863
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 2: having a Twitter before and figuring that out, and so

864
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 2: I do remember because I think the r After the

865
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 2: final rowse aired on Monday, Dina Katz called me on

866
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 2: a Tuesday and said, Nancy O'Dell has gotten hurt on

867
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 2: Dancing with the Stars. We want you to come in again.

868
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,720
Speaker 2: I said no. I was like, no, I don't ABC.

869
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 3: People are weird.

870
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 2: Take no for answered universal word no, And I called

871
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 2: Ty and I were back together at this point mid March,

872
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 2: right and I had told him and he goes, well,

873
00:40:58,360 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 2: how much would you get paid? I said, I didn't

874
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 2: even ask that. I don't care how much i'd get paid?

875
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 3: Are you kidding?

876
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 2: And he goes, we'll ask, And so I called Dean

877
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 2: and I said, all right, this stupid question, how much

878
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,959
Speaker 2: wohld I get paid? And she told me what week

879
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 2: one costs? And I went or what week one pays?

880
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: And I went, oh, interesting, because it's I think it

881
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: was twenty five k just for week one, right, oh

882
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: it was.

883
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 3: It was a six figure for week one.

884
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 1: Oh, just being oh so they did okay, I forgot

885
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: I remember they.

886
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 3: And then it goes up by twenty five.

887
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: Then it goes out okay. Oh, then it goes oh

888
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: got it, got it, got okay. So yeah, so just

889
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: being on You're like, oh, okay, so we're talking.

890
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 2: So I was like, ty, I could go for week

891
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 2: one and get kicked off, you know, and I have

892
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 2: made five years of what I would make, and I

893
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 2: obviously I had to talk to you.

894
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,439
Speaker 3: I think it was Martin at the time.

895
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, And so then and there was a very

896
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: contentious relationship between for our production. And I know you're thinking, wait,

897
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: it's ABC, So there's all this love, there's not. It

898
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: is so dysfunctional, it is so toxic. It is a

899
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 1: mess because the creator of our show hates ABC, and

900
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 1: ABC hates the creator of our show. So I was

901
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: always the bastard stepchild caught in the middle, and so

902
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: were you. So were was everybody else who's trying to

903
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 1: you know, you'd think there's this synergy. There is at

904
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: the point that Melissa is talking about, there is zero synergy,

905
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: and so Dina and them were reaching out and now

906
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: you're thinking, oh, I'll just do this, but the Bachelor

907
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: didn't want you to do it.

908
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 3: I want me to do it.

909
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was I don't know how it happened. I

910
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 2: assume if I had to think back, Bachelor finally had

911
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,439
Speaker 2: to wave a white flag and go, if we need

912
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 2: the world to see that she's okay and she's not

913
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 2: going to do it with us, we have to let

914
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 2: her do it now.

915
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 3: They were not happy about it. I know that now.

916
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: Oh, trust me. They were pissed because they felt like

917
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: you were being stolen from us. Our story, Our girl

918
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: was being stolen from us, and her story was going

919
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: to continue, but not on our franchise, and it was

920
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: a huge blow to us. It was an ego blow

921
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: for them, and it was also a financial blow because

922
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 1: it did I mean, I again, I love Jillian. No,

923
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: she was flight against her, but a Melissa Ryecroft Bacherette

924
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 1: season would have been massive, off the charts massive.

925
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 2: In those meetings, could they not understand why I was saying?

926
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 4: No?

927
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 3: Are they like? I don't get it. Why would she

928
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 3: not want to do this?

929
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: The ego is not would not allow that to happen.

930
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: And it was just like, this is just this person

931
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: who I created, who owes me everything. How dare her

932
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: turn me down? Where it turns from I love you,

933
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: I love you. I love you too, I will ruin you.

934
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,439
Speaker 1: I don't know if you felt that, but I'm sure

935
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: it happened.

936
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 2: I mean I didn't feel I will ruin you, but

937
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 2: I was definitely cast off. Like people would always ask, oh,

938
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 2: why are you not at these Bachelor events?

939
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 3: Why are you not here? Why are you not there?

940
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't get invited.

941
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: You're dead to us. A lot of people try, you know,

942
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: wanted to do Caitlin Bristow was a great example of

943
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: She wanted to be on dancing and made it very

944
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 1: well known, and they held that over her and did

945
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 1: not allow it to happen for a long time. Yeah,

946
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: and then finally cooler heads prevailed and she did dancing.

947
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: And then it kind of became commonplace that you'll do

948
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: The Bachelor and go on Dancing with the Stars, and

949
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: that became kind of a routine because one show kind

950
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: of would help the other and vice versa, which again

951
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: one of the craziest moments in my career was I

952
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: had been asked to help do an interview for another

953
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: ABC show and I thought, it's ABC, right, Like, they're

954
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: my boss too. So I worked for Telepictures, Warner Brothers,

955
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: Bachelor People, but I also worked for ABC, so if

956
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: they asked me to do something, I'm going to do it.

957
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 1: It's the network and it I was used as a

958
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: pawn the same way and my job was threatened. It

959
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: was crazy. So I saw this happening to.

960
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 2: You well when I really felt it. And you'll know

961
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 2: this because you were there too when all the Bachelor

962
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 2: pen stuff happened, and that was a battle between ABC

963
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 2: and Warner Horizon, and ABC wanted me to be a

964
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 2: part of the show and Warner Horizon did not. And

965
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 2: I have nothing to do with it. I'm not sitting

966
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 2: here going yep. I'm like, I'm kind of I'm new

967
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 2: to this whole thing. I'll do whatever you.

968
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 3: Want me to do.

969
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 1: This is so after just to catch people up after

970
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars, Melissa and I co hosted a

971
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,760
Speaker 1: show called Bachelor Pad.

972
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 3: Was a fantastic premise for a show.

973
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: It was It was poorly produced. We brought somebody in

974
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: because it was it turned into a bit of a

975
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: game show. Yeah, there was like I don't know if

976
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: I forget quarter of a million dollars to the winter

977
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: or whatever. It was this prisoner's dilemma at the end.

978
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: And it was a really cheaply shot show too. We

979
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: shot it at the mansion. We literally did most of

980
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: the challenges in the driveway at the mansion. So it

981
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: was the prelude to what became Bachelor in Paradise.

982
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 3: That ever better though than Bachelor of Paradise because you

983
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 3: have that end.

984
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: Goal the game. Well, you have the game element, which

985
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: was good and bad because then it became about the

986
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: game and not love. And there were several issues with her,

987
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: which I can dive into, but the whole point was

988
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: I get a call and I will again one of

989
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: those moments with Melissa I'll never forget. I'm at a

990
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 1: little League game for my son and I get a

991
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: call from the creator of the show and he's like, hey,

992
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: I got great news for you. And whenever he called

993
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: and said I have great news, I knew it was

994
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: nothing good for my career in my life. And he

995
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 1: goes Melissa Ryecroft is going to co host this new show,

996
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: Bachelor Pad with you. I'm like what who? Like what what?

997
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: And he's like yeah, and he's like, this comes from

998
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 1: the President of ABC, Steve McPherson. This comes from the

999
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: highest of highs at ABC. She is going to be

1000
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: a part of this franchise. And I'm like, okay, well,

1001
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: I mean okay, I no saying this. And so you

1002
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: and I met and it was wonderful and we had

1003
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,439
Speaker 1: a good time and we figured it out. The show

1004
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: was not made for two people, and so we you

1005
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: and I figured it out, and I hope you know,

1006
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: I really went out of my weight. I'm like, okay,

1007
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: I'm going to try and make this happen so we

1008
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: can both be co hosting this together because that format

1009
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: wasn't prepared for that. And you and I co hosted

1010
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: that summer together, which was actually great. We had a

1011
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: great time.

1012
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 3: It was fun.

1013
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 2: No, it was a lot of fun. I mean I

1014
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 2: at that point, I came in extremely green. You know,

1015
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,399
Speaker 2: I was not expecting anything to happen that happened after Bachelor, right,

1016
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 2: I mean, back in our days of Bachelor, you were

1017
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 2: a contestant and then you went back off to your world,

1018
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 2: like it was not a what else can I parlay?

1019
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 3: I knew very well.

1020
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 2: I was walking into other people's territory. It was like,

1021
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 2: this is not my show. I feel weird. He was

1022
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 2: just looking at me a year ago and except a.

1023
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 3: Rose like, I get it.

1024
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,240
Speaker 2: I just remember from I could I could definitely tell

1025
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 2: from the production the standpoint. I was like, I they

1026
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 2: have lost this battle, and I know they've lost this battle,

1027
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 2: and I'm just gonna.

1028
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 3: Tiptoe and keep my spot where they want me. I will.

1029
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 2: I think I was unmiked, Like the last three episodes

1030
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 2: of we filmed, They're like, we're not even gonna put

1031
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 2: the mic on you.

1032
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 3: I was like, that's.

1033
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: Okay, that's okay, And I know you were also, you

1034
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: know we did that together. You're rumored to be heading

1035
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: to Dancing with the Stars as the host of that.

1036
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: I know you were up for that for a while. Yeah,

1037
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: but it was a It's funny that, you know, someone

1038
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: who came on the show as a contestant became such

1039
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: an important part of this franchise in so many interesting ways,

1040
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,720
Speaker 1: and in front of the camera but also behind the scenes,

1041
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: like you were the tipping point of a lot of

1042
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: things that happened on this franchise weird.

1043
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 2: But I think a lot of it was timing too.

1044
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 2: You know, the it happened, it was going from what

1045
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 2: you call like the og Bachelor's into this new age

1046
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 2: world and social media, and you know, now these people

1047
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 2: are getting notoriety and it's not I mean, it was

1048
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 2: just world was changing right at the time that this

1049
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 2: huge event happened to happen on the show. So it

1050
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 2: really just had it happened two years earlier, I don't

1051
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:10,280
Speaker 2: think any of this would have happened.

1052
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 3: You know.

1053
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: And then flash forward to like Ari season when the

1054
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: switch happened again and I was fully prepared. I sat

1055
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: him down, I said, let me tell you how this

1056
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: is going to go, and let me tell you how

1057
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: this is going to go for you. It's not going

1058
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: to go well, but it was. I was so prepared

1059
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 1: for that moment with him and Becca and Laura, and

1060
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: it was like it's like it wasn't it was a

1061
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: big deal, but it wasn't what I you know, wasn't

1062
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: the earth shattering moment that became the most dramatic moment

1063
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: in Bachelor history. I mean, Melissa, thank you so much.

1064
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 1: I totally really appreciate that the time. I love talking

1065
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 1: to you, and we have to do this again soon.

1066
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,240
Speaker 1: In fact, we have to do it real soon because

1067
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about your time as a Dallas

1068
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: Cowboy cheerleader, which is all the rage right now thanks

1069
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: to Netflix and this document. So as you wrap this

1070
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: one up, go check out the next interview with Melissa

1071
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: as we talk all about her experience of being a

1072
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,280
Speaker 1: Dallas Caboy cheer leader. Thank you, Melissa, Thanks thanks for listening.

1073
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: Follow us on Instagram at the most dramatic pod ever,

1074
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 1: and make sure to write us a review and leave

1075
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: us five stars. I'll talk to you next time.