Speaker 1: You're lucky. I wasn't recording as you sang that highly
Speaker 1: trademarked jingle. We'd be in big trouble right now, big trouble. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Or maybe they'd be like, oh my god, we should
Speaker 1: be sponsoring you. Oh yeah, you're the You're the next
Speaker 1: Brian Cox. Brian Cox was the voice of that particular
Speaker 1: fast food chain whose yellow arches will remain unnamed until
Speaker 1: I get that money. Money comes in. Come on, Oh
Speaker 1: my body hurts. Acting is a physical feat. Let's tell
Speaker 1: you that much. Your body is your instrument. Yeah, yep.
Speaker 1: And I do not clean it properly. I don't have
Speaker 1: a nice case to keep it in. I don't prepare it.
Speaker 1: I just abuse it and then go why isn't it working? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Right now, elis in a show this week, and I
Speaker 1: got to see it last night and it was so
Speaker 1: fun and hilarious and you were really great in it.
Speaker 1: It's a good one. I think we mentioned it in
Speaker 1: the last episode. But yeah, that we take robin Hood
Speaker 1: and one of the actors gets drunk before we start.
Speaker 1: We just have to figure it out, accommodate whatever the
Speaker 1: drunkie wants to change, come in and do whatever they
Speaker 1: want to the show. Uh, and then you saw the
Speaker 1: one last night with the Sheriff. It was a great
Speaker 1: one for me to be attending as a host of
Speaker 1: ridiculous romance because by the end of it, Robin was
Speaker 1: in a I guess you call it a try at
Speaker 1: yeah try with Prince John and the Sheriff of Nottingham
Speaker 1: and Marian was just left behind. But yes, it was very,
Speaker 1: very fun. Yeah, I'll be fun doing this all weekend
Speaker 1: and hopefully turns into a regular thing. Right, So keep
Speaker 1: your eyes out for Tipsy Tales because that's what the
Speaker 1: show is called, and they'll do a different tale I
Speaker 1: think maybe next time. Well, in the spirit of that,
Speaker 1: we've got something of a different episode this this week,
Speaker 1: which is cool. In the midst of our collect series
Speaker 1: that we're doing on Wednesdays, we decided to look at
Speaker 1: some sort of like more contemporary, like like right now
Speaker 1: stories like in the news. These things are happening currently,
Speaker 1: and maybe they don't warrant a full biographical, in depth
Speaker 1: dive in and of themselves, but they were also stories
Speaker 1: we couldn't just leave behind and not talk about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they just kind of cut our interest, I guess you
Speaker 1: could say, And some of them. I know, I'll probably
Speaker 1: be keeping an eye out for further developments. You know,
Speaker 1: it's going to keep There's gotta be some more coming
Speaker 1: down the pipe. So it's sort of what would you
Speaker 1: call it, like a grab bag? What there's got to
Speaker 1: be a term for it for this kind of episode,
Speaker 1: A little love box this weekend. Yeah, because they're all
Speaker 1: very this week headlines, I believe, Yeah, but this weekend
Speaker 1: is boring. We need like a ridiculous romance version of this,
Speaker 1: like a like a you know, uh like like what's
Speaker 1: a sexual grab bag? You know, her romantic ah, kink sack.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you call kink sack we bring
Speaker 1: to you know, obviously not I don't want to reach
Speaker 1: into a kink sack. If somebody walks up with a
Speaker 1: kink sack, I'm gonna say, first, dump it out. I
Speaker 1: want to see exactly. I'm not picking a kink out
Speaker 1: of a bag sight unseen. Hey maybe that's your kink,
Speaker 1: and that's fine too. Hey, if that's your kink, then
Speaker 1: the kink sack is for you. That's not my kink.
Speaker 1: I need to know as much information as possible before
Speaker 1: I make a decision and it's you've presented to me.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go do some research and i'll check
Speaker 1: back with you in three to six weeks and we'll
Speaker 1: decide whether or not we're going to do this. I'll
Speaker 1: probably talk myself out of it. All right. Well, then
Speaker 1: it's this week's um oh what do you call him? Um?
Speaker 1: This week's fun bag of really really setting the the
Speaker 1: energy level. Here's the tips of the news this week.
Speaker 1: Oh good, UM, I should have thought about this, I
Speaker 1: know I can't think of anything. You know what, Um,
Speaker 1: why don't you tell us? This is this week? It's
Speaker 1: just a random sampling of stories that we found. We'll
Speaker 1: probably do these once a month or so. So if
Speaker 1: you've got a good title for this segment, send it
Speaker 1: our way. We'll use it, will credit you, um, and
Speaker 1: then well we'll use somebody else's the next time. Unless
Speaker 1: it's so good we we can't ever get away from
Speaker 1: it again. But uh yeah, now this is it a
Speaker 1: terminal winner, proof to everyone that you're more clever than
Speaker 1: we are. Give us a snappy title for these episodes
Speaker 1: of weekly stories, So send it in and enjoy this episode. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's go, Yeah, let's do this. Hey, the French come listen. Well,
Speaker 1: Elien and Diana got some stories to tell. There's no matchmaking,
Speaker 1: no romantic tips. It's just about ridiculous relationship, a love.
Speaker 1: It might be any type of person at all, and
Speaker 1: abstract cons that dront a concrete wall. But if there's
Speaker 1: a story with a second clinch ridiculous role that a
Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Well, first and foremost, we
Speaker 1: do have to put ourselves into corrections corner. You're such
Speaker 1: a loser. Yes. In our last episode, in our collect
Speaker 1: part one, we tarnished the names of some amazing artists,
Speaker 1: I guess, but not really. But we did say that
Speaker 1: John Grisham, who is a very prolific novelist, employees ghost writers.
Speaker 1: We implied it. We implied it again much like Willie
Speaker 1: Collett's husband, uh employed ghostwriters and never actually wrote a
Speaker 1: word himself. Right. But I did look this up whilst
Speaker 1: I was editing the episode. Was like, wait a second,
Speaker 1: did it? Does John Grisham goes? Right? Because I mean
Speaker 1: the man puts out a lot of books. Right. Well,
Speaker 1: found an interview with him, uh that he says he
Speaker 1: does not use ghostwriters. He just has a very rigid schedule.
Speaker 1: The man is is very type A. He just has
Speaker 1: a format and he sticks to it. He says he
Speaker 1: gets most of his writing done in January, February, and March.
Speaker 1: He's usually ready for publication by July. He gets up
Speaker 1: and it's seven am. He's in his office, which is
Speaker 1: a separate building from his house. Because he's John Grisham,
Speaker 1: he can have a separate office building from his house,
Speaker 1: a different building. He says. There's no phones, no internet,
Speaker 1: no facts, is nothing coming in um. He just gets up,
Speaker 1: has the same exact cup of coffee every day, seven am,
Speaker 1: he says. From seven to ten. That's his like golden hours.
Speaker 1: And he gets so much done. He says, a good
Speaker 1: day he'll work, he'll get two thousand words written. A
Speaker 1: bad day is a thousand and for me, like a
Speaker 1: good day is two hundreds. So come on a good day?
Speaker 1: Is I wrote at all? A good day? As I
Speaker 1: opened a document and sat and stared at a blank
Speaker 1: page for ten minutes and went maybe tomorrow. That's pretty
Speaker 1: good for me. I know it's in me. Uh. John
Speaker 1: Grisham also does not start the first scene. He doesn't
Speaker 1: start writing unless he knows the last scene. The man
Speaker 1: has already got the story in his head when he
Speaker 1: goes so he's just blows through. Yeah, so you know
Speaker 1: who knew the ridiculous romance are going to tune in
Speaker 1: and learn something about how John Grisham works. Okay, for real,
Speaker 1: who knew? But like I was like, wow, I want
Speaker 1: John Grisham's life where I just write for three months
Speaker 1: and then I'm off the rest of the year. But
Speaker 1: clearly that's not really true. He's got to think about
Speaker 1: the story and his research with the internet, I imagine
Speaker 1: at some point and all that ship before he ever
Speaker 1: sits down to actually write out the story. We also
Speaker 1: implied that some big name film composers often used ghost composers,
Speaker 1: and while that is true, um, and we didn't say
Speaker 1: his name, but I decided to just check on like
Speaker 1: John Williams, the great John Williams, John who is still
Speaker 1: cranking out classic tunes left and right. Here's the thing
Speaker 1: about John Williams, and I love me so John Williams,
Speaker 1: but he he there is a bit of a formulator
Speaker 1: where he's like, I wrote a really catchy sixteen bars
Speaker 1: of music, and now the trumpets are going to play it,
Speaker 1: and then the violins are going to play it, and
Speaker 1: then the saxophones are gonna play whatever is an orchestra.
Speaker 1: But that's not all he does. The man does amazing
Speaker 1: Jurassic Park, one of the best film scores of all time.
Speaker 1: Very true. I mean, come on, come on, what are
Speaker 1: we talking about here anyway? So don't denigrate no, And
Speaker 1: he I found another composer, Richard Gibbs, who's a TV composer,
Speaker 1: movie composer. He did like Ten Things I Hate About You,
Speaker 1: Battlestarc Galactica. He's worked in The Simpsons. He talked a
Speaker 1: lot about John Williams, and he's like, this guy is
Speaker 1: meticulous and detailed, and he does it all. He does
Speaker 1: it all, But there is an orchestrator other just totally
Speaker 1: off brand lesson for you today because I've learned it
Speaker 1: and I thought it was interesting. The orchestrator is the
Speaker 1: person who comes in. It's like, okay, John Williams wrote
Speaker 1: this whole piece. He says, the trumpets come in here,
Speaker 1: the flutes come in here. I determine how many players,
Speaker 1: how many trumpeters are playing in this moment, or how
Speaker 1: many flutes and stuff to kind of balance out the
Speaker 1: melody and the accompaniment. We did kind of learn a
Speaker 1: little bit about that from our Hector Berlio's because people
Speaker 1: said he was a very good orchestrator, and they did
Speaker 1: not agree that he was a great composer, but they
Speaker 1: all agreed he was a fantastic orchestrator. And I definitely
Speaker 1: was like, those are two different things. Like I thought
Speaker 1: that was sort of the job of the composer, right,
Speaker 1: I guess that makes sense to bring someone else in
Speaker 1: and be like, no, you it's not full enough. I
Speaker 1: need more of this, or like there's just way too
Speaker 1: many violins, John, what are you doing? Well, I'm glad
Speaker 1: we got ourselves. We put ourselves in corrections corner today.
Speaker 1: I just caught those those names. Just wanted to double
Speaker 1: back on that research and a bit of a fact check. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: you know you don't want to be talking ship and
Speaker 1: getting hit, that's for sure. YEA. Also clear the names
Speaker 1: the great John Grisham and John Williams, the two of
Speaker 1: our Johns, two of our great John's, greatest John's the
Speaker 1: twentie century. I don't think I've ever read a John
Speaker 1: Grisham book myself. I don't know that I have either it.
Speaker 1: I might have to think of it. Nothing's coming to mind.
Speaker 1: I can only name the firm. Okay, yeah, and I'm
Speaker 1: just thinking of the movie, which I also didn't see,
Speaker 1: so right to cruise the firm, That's all I know.
Speaker 1: I actually always thought I might make a good ghostwriter
Speaker 1: because if I write, if I read a certain author
Speaker 1: for a while, like if I'm like going a Stephen
Speaker 1: king Kick or Kurt ronni get kicked. This used to
Speaker 1: happen when I wrote more. But I would read a
Speaker 1: bunch and then I would I realize that whatever I
Speaker 1: wrote afterward, it would be very much in their style.
Speaker 1: You will you will speak in the style of the
Speaker 1: books you're reading. Sometimes did you get very into like
Speaker 1: Victorian era romantic conversation? And I don't think you realize it.
Speaker 1: They had cool turns of phrase, all right, the slang
Speaker 1: was on point. I was talking about like throbbing members.
Speaker 1: To throw a throbbing member into a regular conversation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that lady of that poor lady. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: this is Wendy's, not that other fast food chain. Well not,
Speaker 1: you're named until they pay us. They pay Wendy's is free. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, we've been we've been gabbing. We're having a
Speaker 1: good time here. But we got some stories to get to.
Speaker 1: This one was pretty fascinating to me because I love
Speaker 1: the Animal Kingdom um and we've we've dabbled in bringing
Speaker 1: the Animal Kingdom into this show in the past. Very true,
Speaker 1: but this one really relates back to people. This is
Speaker 1: an article on CNN by Katie Hunt called how Zoology
Speaker 1: got female Animals wrong? And our goal is about a
Speaker 1: new book coming out by Lucy Cook called Bitch on
Speaker 1: the Female of the Species. So uh, really fascinating stuff here.
Speaker 1: Lucy Cook is a British ziologist. She's a documentary filmmaker.
Speaker 1: She had a show on the BBC called Inside the
Speaker 1: bat Cave, which I would love to watch that I
Speaker 1: mean even obviously obviously probably not a bat cave, but
Speaker 1: she's like, this is the first batmobio. Then you'll see above.
Speaker 1: But I love that, you know, zol I just love
Speaker 1: Batman too, you know. Yeah, we could have more than
Speaker 1: one interest. M My parents told me when they were
Speaker 1: younger about going to Carl's Bad Caverns in I want
Speaker 1: to say, Arizona or New Mexico, and it's one of
Speaker 1: those places where you go at sunset and at a
Speaker 1: very specific time of day all the bats fly out.
Speaker 1: I really want to see it. I would love to
Speaker 1: see it. I know that it might be a little
Speaker 1: scary if you get really close to your face, but
Speaker 1: like so I don't think they do either, but they
Speaker 1: go pretty high. It would be so cool to just
Speaker 1: see them all you might. I wonder if you get
Speaker 1: bat shit on you though, guano excuse me, Well, it's
Speaker 1: worth something. Yeah if ace Ventura too, when nature calls,
Speaker 1: taught me anything superior that, Yeah, it's that guana is priceless. Priceless. Well,
Speaker 1: I think Ridiculous History just did a whole episode about
Speaker 1: like a war that was fought over bat ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it really is worst off. Like, I don't know
Speaker 1: why I didn't listen to the episode yet, but I
Speaker 1: was very interested. Well, at any rate, not entirely bats
Speaker 1: we're talking about here, But the book that she's got
Speaker 1: out now, this on the Female of the species, says
Speaker 1: that the sort of animal parallels that we often draw
Speaker 1: to ourselves based on sex have been actually pretty inaccurate.
Speaker 1: Like this idea of an alpha male that goes out
Speaker 1: and does all the hunting and is like sexually dominant,
Speaker 1: while the females kind of hang back and nurse the
Speaker 1: young that need protecting, and all this stuff that's not
Speaker 1: necessarily true of it's kind of a blanket belief we
Speaker 1: have for the whole animal kingdom. But really that's not
Speaker 1: doesn't hold up to the research that she's been doing.
Speaker 1: She was quoted in CNN as saying, I found it
Speaker 1: really gratifying to discover the diversity of the female experience
Speaker 1: and that it isn't governed by these sort of depressing
Speaker 1: patriarchal rules. Um. For example, she talks about, uh, they say,
Speaker 1: throngs of female animals, which is just a great word.
Speaker 1: Throngs um that seek that seek out sex with numerous partners.
Speaker 1: So you've got female animals like lions. A lioness is
Speaker 1: known to made up to a hundred times a day
Speaker 1: with multiple male partners. When she goes out and she
Speaker 1: gets it, they don't last very long. Imagine, you can't
Speaker 1: do it a hundred times if you're doing it right,
Speaker 1: that's not enough minutes in the day. And if there is,
Speaker 1: let's try a little harder people, all right, She's like
Speaker 1: one of you all is gonna last long enough for
Speaker 1: it to matter. Next next damn, I did want to
Speaker 1: point out there's a. There was a meme going around
Speaker 1: about lioness biting a male's testicles if he doesn't perform
Speaker 1: enough for her and his face. It was so like distress. Well,
Speaker 1: I found that the picture is real, but it's it's
Speaker 1: not what they say it is. It's actually a cub
Speaker 1: teasing it's father, which is very rude, a whole different
Speaker 1: kind of rude. But that females don't do that. They
Speaker 1: don't bite the male's testicles to encourage them to get
Speaker 1: back get back at it. Um. That would be a
Speaker 1: weird way to do it, because I feel like that
Speaker 1: would be very much a turn off. Well, now I
Speaker 1: haven't wait a few minutes for the bruises to go down. Well,
Speaker 1: if you see that meme floating around, you can definitely well,
Speaker 1: actually that in the comments, take somebody something actually in
Speaker 1: the comments. Um. In addition to lions, Cook says that
Speaker 1: songbirds will be like monogamous in terms of them finding
Speaker 1: a partner to help build their nest and raise their
Speaker 1: eggs and things like that. But before they nest of
Speaker 1: female songbirds were talking sparrows, chicken ease, blue jays. You know, songbirds,
Speaker 1: they're always out there singing. They them routinely have sex
Speaker 1: with multiple partners, and the actual nest once she and
Speaker 1: her partner monogamous partner build the nest, may have eggs
Speaker 1: from multiple fathers. Yeah, that's very weird. Um, even with
Speaker 1: the this, you know, single couple raising those chicks. So
Speaker 1: why you know this is one of the questions is
Speaker 1: what's the biological evolutionary advantage of all this? The CNN articles,
Speaker 1: as quote, experts think female animals are driven to have
Speaker 1: sex with male suitors outside and inside their group to
Speaker 1: confuse paternity, which has the effect of protecting their young
Speaker 1: and may co opt male partners into babysitting and caring
Speaker 1: for they're young. So you're telling me that a song
Speaker 1: bird will just jump out and be like, I've been
Speaker 1: having so much sex with so many of you, I
Speaker 1: don't know if here's the daddy, would be you? Who
Speaker 1: could be you? Now? All of you? Woo who can
Speaker 1: raise the baby with me? I'm sure that's what I'm
Speaker 1: going to assume. All the birds are saying now I
Speaker 1: hear them, sure, and I'll be like, alright, girl, you
Speaker 1: get that. The poor dads are like, I was just
Speaker 1: gonna go help Cinderella with her dress, help your baby
Speaker 1: and stood, oh these birds, what are they staying out there?
Speaker 1: So yeah, so she'll she'll get one of these male
Speaker 1: partners to be like, look, you might be one of
Speaker 1: these dads, you may as well raise all these eggs.
Speaker 1: Damn's are Another one who found is chimpanzees. They have
Speaker 1: their their females are aggressively sexual. Uh, they only produce
Speaker 1: five or six chimps in their lifetime, but apparently they
Speaker 1: might have sex with dozens of of male chimps like
Speaker 1: thousands of times in a lifetime. So just just a
Speaker 1: pleasurable experience for them getting out there getting some for themselves.
Speaker 1: Don't be limp because I'm a chimp. That's her tine.
Speaker 1: I'm awesome. Coco does Dallas, I shouldn't sully Coco's name
Speaker 1: like that. She's the sweetest sweet I will say, that's
Speaker 1: very interesting because I was about to say, you know,
Speaker 1: you're talking about like animals that produce many, many, many
Speaker 1: many offspring every time. So I was like, well, I
Speaker 1: guess that's for you know, you gotta just kind of
Speaker 1: throw get as many as you can because some of
Speaker 1: them die, right, they have such short lifespans that you know,
Speaker 1: birds don't I don't know how long song birds live
Speaker 1: on average, but I don't think it's as long as
Speaker 1: like a parrot or anything. So you're like, Okay, we
Speaker 1: just got to make as many as possible. But it's
Speaker 1: interesting that they're seeing it in chimps to who have
Speaker 1: more like people. They don't have thousands of babies or
Speaker 1: dozens of babies at a time. Yeah, their sex is
Speaker 1: not entirely for creation. Yeah, or maybe maybe it leans
Speaker 1: that way. I'm I no zoologists, but you know, it
Speaker 1: might be more like it's harder to get pregnant, so
Speaker 1: they have sex thousands of times just to have five
Speaker 1: or six chimps. But it does come off as a
Speaker 1: pleasurable or dominant experience for the females in these species.
Speaker 1: Too interesting. Yeah, these females get kind of brutal about
Speaker 1: it too. Sometimes. They said that in uh mere cat clans,
Speaker 1: you know, uh mere cats pop up out of a hole,
Speaker 1: they stand up, they're super cute, Toman lion king. Um, well,
Speaker 1: the most famous of mere cats you can oh, yeah, definitely,
Speaker 1: I mean out of all the America. Do you remember
Speaker 1: mere cat manner? Wait? Paused, does anybody remember mere cat manner?
Speaker 1: It was? It was a reality show Animal Planet where
Speaker 1: they followed a family of mere cats, and it was
Speaker 1: like it was just like any other reality show, following
Speaker 1: a family where you knew all the people, all the
Speaker 1: mere cats who lived in this in this whatever they're
Speaker 1: den is called. Did they vote them off or I
Speaker 1: don't think there was a voting off section, but I
Speaker 1: feel like there was some sat like some of them
Speaker 1: got chased out of the community, or maybe some of
Speaker 1: them got snatched up by a lion or something. But
Speaker 1: there was a whole story, a season long arc about
Speaker 1: this family of mere cats, and you really learned their
Speaker 1: dynamics and how some would sometimes be squabbling and makeup
Speaker 1: and lovers paired around and stuff. Anyway, getting off topic,
Speaker 1: you were going to say, Oh, I was just gonna say,
Speaker 1: reality shows with people in them should take a lesson
Speaker 1: you have the other's chase amount just a nice voting up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to see I'll be like, we have to
Speaker 1: run you at a town. Well, mere cats, Uh, they
Speaker 1: are dominated by a single female who, apparently, as they say,
Speaker 1: monopolizes breeding in their community. This dominant female mere cat
Speaker 1: is like alpha female will prevent the other females from
Speaker 1: having any babies of their own. She instead like gets
Speaker 1: them to come and help care for her young. And
Speaker 1: once these other females reach their like reproductive age, that
Speaker 1: alpha female either kills them or, like we said, chases
Speaker 1: them out of the community. Whoa yeah, Cook says quote
Speaker 1: it's called cooperative breeding, which always makes me laugh because
Speaker 1: it's not really so much. It's a little bit despotted. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's cooperative about? I mean, I guess it's cooperative, But
Speaker 1: I don't know about co operative breeding. I know it's fun.
Speaker 1: It's smearcats, smearcat ladies. Meercats are like, I'm the only
Speaker 1: one around here. Collette might have been a mere cat, yeah,
Speaker 1: a little bit. I mean she liked other women, but
Speaker 1: like she didn't want her man to have other women.
Speaker 1: A lot of times she didn't like that. I say,
Speaker 1: I say, she's like, I should be the only woman
Speaker 1: and other women cannot be my woman, but they can't
Speaker 1: be your woman. Another biologists Patricia Brennan from the University
Speaker 1: of Massachusetts Amherst. She is currently building a library of
Speaker 1: replica animal vaginas um, which she says is a vastly
Speaker 1: misunderstood body part. I think we can all agree there
Speaker 1: nobody fully understands it. We barely know much about the
Speaker 1: female person's vagina. She's done all this specifically on duck
Speaker 1: and dolphin vaginas and um. She finds that they're not
Speaker 1: just you know, basic canals like we think of. And
Speaker 1: I've heard this before about duck males having corkscrew shaped
Speaker 1: penises and and that apparently evolved because females have very
Speaker 1: like labyrinthian vaginas. Um. She says, they're they're uniquely shaped
Speaker 1: with blind pockets and spirals, so there's like dead ends.
Speaker 1: Again vagina is right. So so her thought is that
Speaker 1: these female animals are actually able to control who impregnates them.
Speaker 1: So even though there's a lot of coercion by the
Speaker 1: males for sex in these species, the females are still
Speaker 1: sort of in control, which she says, from a evolutionary standpoint,
Speaker 1: gives them the power. So she's talking about this and
Speaker 1: really really kind of breaking apart that's sort of ridge
Speaker 1: a Darwinian theories about male versus female participation in that evolution.
Speaker 1: She says, quote, the stereotype of the alpha male is
Speaker 1: as damaging for men as it is for women. It
Speaker 1: boxes men into this idea that they're meant to be
Speaker 1: aggressive and competitive. Darwinian thinking is just a license for
Speaker 1: toxic masculinity. Interesting. Yeah, it is very interesting because it
Speaker 1: it is that kind of if we've been misunderstanding it
Speaker 1: this whole time. This idea of the male comes in
Speaker 1: and says, now's the time for sex, and you're gonna
Speaker 1: make me a baby, and that's what you're here for,
Speaker 1: which a lot of male humans seem to believe that's
Speaker 1: kind of bullshit. That's not really reflective of the natural
Speaker 1: order when you look any closer at it. They are
Speaker 1: and they say in this article, both of them, that
Speaker 1: they get a lot of pushback from the scientific medium,
Speaker 1: and they've got the research in front of them, They've
Speaker 1: got the videos and the studies and everything right there,
Speaker 1: and people just you know, are hesitant to hear it.
Speaker 1: They really want to go with what they already thought
Speaker 1: was the way things are, the way they may maybe
Speaker 1: they have been basing their own behavior on all these years,
Speaker 1: right or like you know, you just like to think,
Speaker 1: you know things. When someone comes around with something new,
Speaker 1: it's uncomfortable. I mean, you see that in the scientific
Speaker 1: community all through history, is that they're like, we're very
Speaker 1: smart and learned, and we know what it means to
Speaker 1: peer study and research, and then you present it and
Speaker 1: we just cannot. I will not so. And don't get
Speaker 1: me wrong that that is valuable because I mean strong
Speaker 1: evolution and this includes the evolution of knowledge demands resistance, right,
Speaker 1: You've got to be able to break through that resistance.
Speaker 1: So it's important that we don't just say anything toy
Speaker 1: who comes up and says, actually, it's this way, we go, okay,
Speaker 1: if you say so, like you know, you want to
Speaker 1: be like, well, you're going to have to fight to
Speaker 1: prove it um and then in theory the accurate stuff
Speaker 1: will break through. You know, I don't think it always
Speaker 1: works like that, because of course we're people and we've
Speaker 1: got like those horrible um what do you call him,
Speaker 1: his opinions about things. Well, and you've got the church
Speaker 1: still with their hands up on the science community, and
Speaker 1: we've seen again and throughout history how that has limited
Speaker 1: right and learning. And we've seen throughout history when those
Speaker 1: two things work together, and it's marvelous exactly. So it's
Speaker 1: it's just that that butting heads that can be a
Speaker 1: real problem sometimes. Well, this is fascinating. I also would
Speaker 1: say whatever. That male politician who said that when women
Speaker 1: don't get pregnant from rape because the women's bodies have
Speaker 1: ways of shutting that down. Um, I would apparently he's
Speaker 1: thinking of ducking of ducks because that is not the
Speaker 1: way a woman's vagina where he's like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: every time I get a pc a vagina, it's all
Speaker 1: dead ends for me. So I thought it was the
Speaker 1: same thing. You know what, that guy's probably got a
Speaker 1: corkscrew penis, probably does with a corkscrew dick for sure.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean that's definitely a brand new look
Speaker 1: at the animal kingdom relationship between males and females. Uh,
Speaker 1: and hopefully it opens our minds a little bit right
Speaker 1: about our own or well, I guess that's her point,
Speaker 1: is that it should be able to open up our
Speaker 1: minds about our own sexuality and rules governing our behaviors
Speaker 1: and what's natural I guess, what's instinctive between the sexes,
Speaker 1: and of course not to be confused with gender the
Speaker 1: whole other category and a whole other thing. But um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, I think it's really interesting to look at. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's good to know, good to know that the females
Speaker 1: the animal kingdom are out there, yeah, making making the
Speaker 1: day their own sometimes the chimps man thousands thousands of times. Well,
Speaker 1: in a way, it kind of makes sense because you
Speaker 1: see so many times also in the animal Kingdom, how
Speaker 1: the male of the species is the more beautifully colored
Speaker 1: and they're the ones who have to do the little
Speaker 1: dances and the and try to encourage a woman to
Speaker 1: or a female of the species to mate with them,
Speaker 1: right versus the other way around. Well, that's one of
Speaker 1: the things she talks about, is like getting away from
Speaker 1: that idea that females of the species are just like
Speaker 1: resistant to sex. They're very picky and choosy, and they're like,
Speaker 1: only one of you shall mate with me, when in
Speaker 1: fact they're out there like doing it a lot. She's like,
Speaker 1: anyone who dances you get, come over here, blue footed booby,
Speaker 1: I'm ready. Oh, we need more blue footed boobies to
Speaker 1: be mating. We really do, right, Endangered, I believe, I think.
Speaker 1: So let's find out they are listed under the least
Speaker 1: concern category of conservation status. Their population is stable, but
Speaker 1: the red footed booby is in a in a decreasing population,
Speaker 1: still under the least concerned category. But you know, that
Speaker 1: just means out of all the ones that we're killing off,
Speaker 1: these ones are the ones were least concerned about right now,
Speaker 1: um population decreasing. So get out there, boobies, right footed
Speaker 1: boobies specifically. So that's a very exciting story. I think
Speaker 1: we'll take a quick break because we're going to come
Speaker 1: back with one very intense story that Diana's God. That
Speaker 1: was really fascinating, maybe real mad. I hope that. Hope
Speaker 1: that makes a stick. Yeah, anger, get mad, hey, but
Speaker 1: it is righteous anger. Okay, everybody loves right just sing here, Yeah,
Speaker 1: be right back. Okay, welcome back to the show, everybody.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I hope you're ready ready for that righteous
Speaker 1: anger because this is coming from the Times of Israel. Um.
Speaker 1: The article is called woman Freed after being chained in
Speaker 1: her marriage for twenty two years, and it is by
Speaker 1: judah Ari Gross And you know obviously that headline. I
Speaker 1: was like, excuse me, I had to look into that,
Speaker 1: uh um. And so the story is about a woman
Speaker 1: named Tamar that is in alias. She's not giving her
Speaker 1: real name, but Tamar was married to this guy. They
Speaker 1: had a child together, but he was never really enthusiastic
Speaker 1: about their marriage, and he was apparently kind of abusive
Speaker 1: and neglectful and just not a great husband. So she's
Speaker 1: decided to file for divorce. In sounds totally normal. That's
Speaker 1: what you should do in that kind of situation, exact
Speaker 1: kind of you know. It's unfortunately you ever got into
Speaker 1: that situation begin with. But it happens. Some people get
Speaker 1: married and it turns out to be not the fantasy
Speaker 1: they might have dreamed of exactly. But apparently in Judaism,
Speaker 1: women cannot get a divorce without the consent of their husband.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, is this like an orthodox thing? In Israel?
Speaker 1: They are only religious marriages and divorces, So yeah, I
Speaker 1: think so it's just a very religious, uh ceremony. It's
Speaker 1: not just like here it's such a legal thing. I
Speaker 1: can have religious trappings, but I suppose, I guess in
Speaker 1: Israel it's much more like this is a religious contract
Speaker 1: with God that you are making, and so you can't
Speaker 1: just break that. Okay. So it sounds like the state
Speaker 1: law follows the religious law in terms of, like, you
Speaker 1: can't just get divorced without your husband's permission. Rabbinical laws
Speaker 1: that they refer to this article and the rabbinical courts. Okay, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: so anyway they can't They can't get divorced until their
Speaker 1: husband's like, yeah, i'd also like a divorce. And the
Speaker 1: reason they have the term chained women is because women
Speaker 1: who ask for her divorce and their husbands refuse are
Speaker 1: chained to their marriage. Because they are they have no
Speaker 1: legal recourse if their husband doesn't agree, and they say,
Speaker 1: it's pretty unusual for someone to be chained for a
Speaker 1: very long time. Usually husbands use it as like a
Speaker 1: chess piece during the divorce proceedings. He's like, I won't
Speaker 1: say yes unless this is this, and then she's chained
Speaker 1: for a couple of months or a year until they
Speaker 1: figured it all out and whatever. It kind of sounds
Speaker 1: like being separated or estranged rather than divorced. Yet you know,
Speaker 1: like you're not you're not legally done with that part.
Speaker 1: But y'all don't live together no more, and they don't
Speaker 1: like each other whatever whatever is going on with that.
Speaker 1: Um So it's very unusual too for it to last
Speaker 1: a super super long time. But Tamar is a special
Speaker 1: case because her husband ran off to the US, where
Speaker 1: the rabbinical courts have no jurisdiction and refused to grant
Speaker 1: her a divorce for twenty two years. My god, and
Speaker 1: they couldn't. They couldn't just say like, oh, well he's
Speaker 1: out of bounds, therefore his say doesn't count anymore. Exactly.
Speaker 1: This is why it's like, it's really making me angry
Speaker 1: that it's like this, and you know it's not just me.
Speaker 1: There is a organization that represents Tamar called Mavoice sottom.
Speaker 1: It means dead end in Hebrew, speaking of dead ends um.
Speaker 1: And they represent women who have been denied a divorce,
Speaker 1: and so they kind of speak for tomorrow. She didn't
Speaker 1: speak herself to this to the Times of Israel, so
Speaker 1: we're getting the whole story from her lawyers. The article
Speaker 1: says that in Israel, where there is only religious marriage
Speaker 1: or divorce, these women are also legally trapped, potentially facing
Speaker 1: certain penalties in any future divorce proceedings if they have
Speaker 1: romantic relationships with other men, as this would technically constitute adulter.
Speaker 1: They are also unable to have children with other men,
Speaker 1: as those children would be considered illegitimate under Jewish law,
Speaker 1: which bars them from marrying. And almost all circumstances, this
Speaker 1: is a really big deal to be denied a divorce.
Speaker 1: She basically her life was stalled out for twenty two
Speaker 1: years after having one shitty marriage with a guy who
Speaker 1: didn't even care about her that much and a child
Speaker 1: who I'm sure she loves very much with right, but
Speaker 1: he disappears and she can't No no tinder for her.
Speaker 1: There's no no no dating, no new husband, no no
Speaker 1: new kids anything like that. Surely did this guy just
Speaker 1: disappear to the US or is she like reaching out
Speaker 1: to him? No, they've they've they've been in contact for
Speaker 1: the past twenty two years. She had so she had
Speaker 1: basically asked for the divorce. He said no. Then she
Speaker 1: sued for child support because she's of course raising the
Speaker 1: child in is real by herself, and he's off in
Speaker 1: the US. He won't pay it um eventually, so they
Speaker 1: keep contacting him, and they're like please, you know, I
Speaker 1: think the Rabbis are like stressing religiously, like you're doing
Speaker 1: something bad, um, what are you doing? Please stop? And
Speaker 1: also you're in the US and you clearly have no
Speaker 1: life with it. What are you doing? What's the purpose
Speaker 1: of this? So they kept contact, They had contact um,
Speaker 1: so they kept reaching out, he just kept refusing. Finally
Speaker 1: she even dropped her child support claim. She said, just
Speaker 1: give me the divorce and you don't have to do anything,
Speaker 1: and he still said no. This guy's like, hey, look,
Speaker 1: my religion says it's the will of God, whom I
Speaker 1: want to please, for me to say screw you so long,
Speaker 1: thanks for nothing. The article says, under the Israeli Chief
Speaker 1: rabbin its interpretation, as well as that of most authorities
Speaker 1: on Jewish law, there is no way to dissolve a
Speaker 1: legally valid marriage without the consent of the husband. Rabbinate
Speaker 1: courts can impose sanctions, including prison time, on husbands who
Speaker 1: are recognized as refusing to give a religious divorce, but
Speaker 1: they cannot force them to give one, and the rabbin
Speaker 1: its hands are further tied if the divorce refusing husband
Speaker 1: flees the country, which puts them outside of their jurisdiction.
Speaker 1: Of course, so the attorney from a Voice, Attom Batia Cohen,
Speaker 1: who represented Tamar in court, said, quote, they took her freedom,
Speaker 1: they took her womb, and gave her nothing in return.
Speaker 1: Because they're pointing out, of course, twenty two years have passed.
Speaker 1: Now tomorrow is in her fifties. It's not likely at
Speaker 1: this point that she's going to be able to have
Speaker 1: more children. It might not be likely that she could
Speaker 1: find another partner depend I don't know what it's like
Speaker 1: in Israel, but it's I think it's hard here for
Speaker 1: women over a certain age to find a man who
Speaker 1: wants to marry them and be with them. So anyway,
Speaker 1: it's just real fucked up, and it feels like he
Speaker 1: straight up did that on purpose. He was like, I
Speaker 1: just don't want you to be happy and have kids
Speaker 1: with other people and do like live your life, so
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna like go off somewhere. Also, by the way,
Speaker 1: while he's in the US, the man had another partner
Speaker 1: and more children. Of course, because that's no problem. He's like,
Speaker 1: I'm a male in in case you didn't know that,
Speaker 1: in nature, males get to go out and have lots
Speaker 1: of sex while females just sit home quietly, quietly. Well,
Speaker 1: I got I got an article for you. Have I
Speaker 1: got some news for you, sir. Let me introduce you
Speaker 1: to Lucy Cook, zoologist. She has won all her rulings
Speaker 1: in court basically over this case. But again, since he's
Speaker 1: in the US, there's nothing you can do, and she
Speaker 1: just had to wait and wait and deal with it.
Speaker 1: But then suddenly this week to Mars, attorney received a call.
Speaker 1: Batia Cohen says, Rabbi asher erin True from Rabbinical Courts
Speaker 1: Division for Agonaut called and said, I have your get,
Speaker 1: which is the Hebrew word for divorce. It was signed
Speaker 1: with no conditions, so he didn't even Apparently a local
Speaker 1: American rabbi had convinced him to grant the divorce. So
Speaker 1: like all these rabbis from Israel, where he's from, are
Speaker 1: calling him and being like, yeah, bro, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: And this American rabbi was like, listen, seriously, what are
Speaker 1: you doing? And I guess it worked. I don't know
Speaker 1: where he was just tired of it, or maybe he
Speaker 1: wants to marry his American partner at this point and
Speaker 1: I can't because he's still married in Israel. I don't
Speaker 1: know what his motivation was, but he finally did it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's just really frustrating because again, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I keep coming back to that just biological unfairness of
Speaker 1: a woman's body that eventually you can't have children anymore
Speaker 1: of it safely for you or the child, and that
Speaker 1: men do see you as dried up in not desirable
Speaker 1: after your turn fifty or so. There's a great sketch
Speaker 1: about your last fuckable day and wood stuff where once
Speaker 1: you turn about fifty sixty you're not fuckable anymore, your
Speaker 1: old lady sketch. It's a really funny sketch. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It just really made me really piste
Speaker 1: off to read it. That it felt it again, It
Speaker 1: felt so malicious that he knew was that about women,
Speaker 1: that there's eventually a point where of no return, and
Speaker 1: so he wanted to wait it out and make her
Speaker 1: miserable as long as possible, just reason. I remember you
Speaker 1: were reading this article and you said it reminded you
Speaker 1: of the of Ted Lasso and Rupert and Rebecca him
Speaker 1: him sort of like waiting her out and then divorcing
Speaker 1: her and saying, oh, and I never wanted kids with you, right,
Speaker 1: And then he got with a much younger woman gets
Speaker 1: to have a baby where she's too old now to
Speaker 1: have a m I'm assuming she's at least feels herself
Speaker 1: to be too old to have a baby, or perhaps
Speaker 1: just it's again, it's just a lot more complicated. The
Speaker 1: older you get, so it's like you knew, you know
Speaker 1: exactly what you're doing, so it feels really malicious and shitty.
Speaker 1: And I was like, if I live near this motherfucker,
Speaker 1: I would go around and slap the ship out of
Speaker 1: That is how I reacted to this story myself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: with um righteous anger, righteous anger, yes, yeah, appropriately so
Speaker 1: My Voice sat him. The organization said that tomorrow is
Speaker 1: considering suing her ex husband in civil court for damages,
Speaker 1: including the child support she should have been received for
Speaker 1: this whole time um as well as, of course her suffering.
Speaker 1: Cohen added, quote, no money in the world could sufficiently
Speaker 1: compensate her for the years that he took from her,
Speaker 1: and for her rights over her body, which were also
Speaker 1: taken from her in terms of bringing other children into
Speaker 1: the world. This was completely taken from her. And then
Speaker 1: the CEO of My Voice Atom They end the article
Speaker 1: with a quote from him. His name is rit LaHave
Speaker 1: and he says, quote, the Rabbinic courts need to do
Speaker 1: some introspection about how a woman's life can be taken
Speaker 1: from her mercilessly due to Jewish law. We know that
Speaker 1: there are solutions in Jewish law to this phenomenon of
Speaker 1: chaining women, and every day that the rabbinic courts don't
Speaker 1: use those solutions is a terrible injustice. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: neither of us is Jewish, and I think it's it's
Speaker 1: plain and clear that this is not, you know, in
Speaker 1: any way exclusively an issue to Judaism or Israel, but
Speaker 1: it's this is a very clear example of how either
Speaker 1: religion or legal systems are often very skewed into the
Speaker 1: husband's favor in divorce proceedings and things like that. Um. Again,
Speaker 1: kind of not not far off from going back to
Speaker 1: that mentality from the animal kingdom that like, well, men
Speaker 1: are supposed to be the ones making all the decisions
Speaker 1: and women just sitting the nest and keep the eggs warm.
Speaker 1: Are they're protective and they provide someone and women are
Speaker 1: just there to like change the curtains or something whatever.
Speaker 1: But it is incredibly patriarchal, and it did a little
Speaker 1: bit answer a question for me, because I guess women
Speaker 1: can't do the same. If a man asks for a divorce,
Speaker 1: she can't change him to her while they go through
Speaker 1: the divorce proceedings. This is specifically a husband thing, um,
Speaker 1: And I did not check that, so if you if
Speaker 1: you know a difference that So, if you know that
Speaker 1: that's wrong, please let me know. Um. But it just
Speaker 1: seems to me from this quote at the end where
Speaker 1: he's like, we know there's solutions to this for women
Speaker 1: and we're simply not applying them. Well, then that says
Speaker 1: to me that husbands get to have a divorce pretty
Speaker 1: easily probably, whereas women have to wait and wait and
Speaker 1: wait for the band's pleasure. Oh, tailor is old? Is?
Speaker 1: I mean? You know, it's not everywhere, it's not all
Speaker 1: of time. There's there's matriarchal societies out there, um. But
Speaker 1: but it's a tale. It's an old tale, a common tale. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's just very frustrating, and I feel badly for her.
Speaker 1: I'm very glad that she got her divorced. I'm sure
Speaker 1: she feels great now and she's making the best of it,
Speaker 1: and hopefully she's feeling good. And I hope she wins
Speaker 1: a bunch of money from him, right, Not that money
Speaker 1: is everything, but that's clearly the only thing she can
Speaker 1: get from that, So take it. What's money to a life?
Speaker 1: You know, obviously there's no comparison there, but you know,
Speaker 1: if you can't get one get the other at least, right,
Speaker 1: he just should suffer. That's my opinion. I think she
Speaker 1: needs to suffer in some way, shape or form. Well, money, fine,
Speaker 1: I think that's the most boring form of suffering. And
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I'm always less vindictive in in
Speaker 1: the courts, but but artless. She needs her life balanced out.
Speaker 1: She needs a lot of goodness in her life to
Speaker 1: balance out the struggles that she went through for so long,
Speaker 1: fair minimum, just twenty two years of something dragging on
Speaker 1: and on and constantly getting these knockdowns from him every
Speaker 1: now and then. Just it's like a torture. It's like
Speaker 1: a long drawn out, slow torture. And you know, if
Speaker 1: nobody's looking and he gets kicked once or twice, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say anything. I won't say anything
Speaker 1: and be happy to do it. If someone knows a
Speaker 1: guy who has changed his wife in Israel for twenty
Speaker 1: two years and got a tip for me, hot tips
Speaker 1: that where he might live, don't send it to us
Speaker 1: because then we are you're liable, We're we're suspects. Let's
Speaker 1: just leave it at that. Well, that guy sucks. Fuck him.
Speaker 1: That sucks. My my verdict. The Court of Diana says
Speaker 1: that guy sucks and fuck him and he deserves a
Speaker 1: real kick in the pants front or back, both front
Speaker 1: and back. All right, well, I think we'll take a
Speaker 1: quick break to cool off. We'll come back with some
Speaker 1: more exciting and very ridiculous romances, so we'll be right back. Okay,
Speaker 1: welcome back to the show, everyone, and I had a
Speaker 1: nice long drink of water, and I feel much cooler now.
Speaker 1: She's unclenched her finch, her fists, all the steam has
Speaker 1: come out of my ears. No more. Let's lighten it
Speaker 1: up here because we're gonna go back to talking about
Speaker 1: one of our favorite subjects here on this show, AI
Speaker 1: and sex dolls. So we found this story on well
Speaker 1: New York posts, so take it for what it's worth.
Speaker 1: But it's I've verified some of it for sure. So
Speaker 1: this is about social media influencer. This girl has three
Speaker 1: thousand followers on Instagram. She gets a lot of attention.
Speaker 1: She's got sponsored content with lingerie companies and things like that. Um,
Speaker 1: but what's really interesting about her is that she's a
Speaker 1: sex doll, like an artificial doll, um built to look
Speaker 1: like a real girl, no strings to hold her down. Um,
Speaker 1: this this sex doll is um owned slash dated by
Speaker 1: a guy known as Tony Fox of Cherry Hill, New Jersey.
Speaker 1: He's apparently in his late fifties. Uh. He says the
Speaker 1: doll is about thirty six years old. Well, that's nice
Speaker 1: that she's a nice normal age. Her name is Tasha
Speaker 1: Marie and I did find her on Instagram? Is Tasha
Speaker 1: Underscore Marie Underscore eighties? Six? Um? Because of that's her birthday,
Speaker 1: I guess than six right at Tony Fox did an
Speaker 1: interview with the poet. He says that quote she's so
Speaker 1: friendly and outgoing, a feminist and a supporter of the
Speaker 1: l g B t q I A plus community. Yeah
Speaker 1: Tasha like that, right? He says. Who else is synthetic
Speaker 1: but has this kind of larger than life personality. So
Speaker 1: he manages her Instagram. They do all these uh you know,
Speaker 1: sexy photos and she also has an only fans page
Speaker 1: for the more explicit photographs risk ay stuff that she does.
Speaker 1: But you know, obviously we're wondering how did this relationship develop?
Speaker 1: What's going on? Is this guy crazy as this twisted?
Speaker 1: Is there something weird happening here? But actually it's a
Speaker 1: little bit sweeter than that. Tony Fox purchased Tasha Marie
Speaker 1: for a little less than five grand in December after
Speaker 1: his wife, Marie after whom I believe the dollars named,
Speaker 1: was stricken with cancer and she had a lot of
Speaker 1: ongoing medical complications. And Marie is super supportive of Tony
Speaker 1: and his relationship with this doll. Um. She actually gives
Speaker 1: him a lot of ideas for the kinds of sexy
Speaker 1: poses and stuff that he can do with her online. Uh,
Speaker 1: what I don't know lab marriage, Yeah, absolutely. What I
Speaker 1: don't know from the article is whether or not Tony
Speaker 1: Fox is actually having sex with this doll. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: kind of assume, so I would assume that's why you
Speaker 1: bought her. Like maybe the medical complications were such that
Speaker 1: their physical relationship really just come to a complete stop.
Speaker 1: And she was like, I can't let you be run
Speaker 1: around with another lady. But if we're want a doll,
Speaker 1: then that's okay. I remember reading a few years back,
Speaker 1: and I'm just going to cite this from memory here,
Speaker 1: so forgive me. It might be kind of off, but
Speaker 1: I believe the story was. It was on Reddit from
Speaker 1: a sex worker and she said that one of her
Speaker 1: clients was a couple where, um, the woman in the
Speaker 1: relationship was had an illness and she couldn't perform sexually
Speaker 1: with her husband anymore, and so the two of them
Speaker 1: called her in and the and the sex worker in
Speaker 1: the husband had sex. The woman was there kind of
Speaker 1: like offering encouragement and suggestions and like sort of verbally
Speaker 1: taking part without being able to physically take part. And
Speaker 1: she's like, this is what this couple needed. The sex
Speaker 1: worker is saying this, She's this, this is what the
Speaker 1: couple needed. They loved it. It brought them closer together,
Speaker 1: they felt like they were they still had an intimate relationship. Um.
Speaker 1: So you know, this is these kind of touching stories
Speaker 1: about people who maybe can't themselves, but they find alternative
Speaker 1: ways of having intimacy. So the speculation station that maybe
Speaker 1: what's happening between Tony and his wife and and Tasha here,
Speaker 1: that makes sense to me. I mean, you know, there's
Speaker 1: a lot that's very healing about or can be very
Speaker 1: healing about sex and and even kink um. There's definitely
Speaker 1: many articles out there about the healing power of kink
Speaker 1: in healing sexual trauma specifically. I mean, you've got to
Speaker 1: find the right person and you know, all that stuff.
Speaker 1: But they talk about it being just just such a
Speaker 1: freeing thing to figure out what you like and feel
Speaker 1: like you're in a safe space where you have a
Speaker 1: lot of control. Um. Some people even act out sexual
Speaker 1: scenarios that had traumatized them in the past, but because
Speaker 1: they have control over that, it kind of takes the
Speaker 1: trauma out of it and it helps them move on. Um.
Speaker 1: So it's just it's interest. Like, I'm not a sex
Speaker 1: doll person, and I think if you were walking around
Speaker 1: with one, I might think you're kind of a weird
Speaker 1: all I think, I think I would get judgmental. But
Speaker 1: I wish that we didn't have such a kick, you know,
Speaker 1: knee jerk reaction to it, because there can be really
Speaker 1: wonderful like like this a wonderful reason to have one
Speaker 1: or a sex worker come into your marriage. And I'm
Speaker 1: saying that's a real that sex work is real work.
Speaker 1: That's real work. She just did something for them that
Speaker 1: no one else, no other practitioner could have done, which
Speaker 1: is why, of course it should be federally legal. Is
Speaker 1: safe regulations put into place. Uh, It's totally a service
Speaker 1: people are willing to pay for. And offer for money
Speaker 1: or or whatever it is their exchanges. Um, it's kind
Speaker 1: of outrageous that it's illegal, and it's usually just a
Speaker 1: way for certain institutions to make money off of people
Speaker 1: who are just trying to make money off of themselves. Honestly,
Speaker 1: it's like in terms of this country being all about
Speaker 1: the spirit of entrepreneurship, come on, it's literally the oldest profession.
Speaker 1: And it's again we're we're in a a capitalist society
Speaker 1: where it's all about, Hey, if you've got something to offer,
Speaker 1: someone will pay for it. That's what we encourage all
Speaker 1: the time. And you know, if someone's like, hey, I
Speaker 1: got something offer all right, and people are willing up
Speaker 1: hey for these you know whatever, come on, come on,
Speaker 1: that would be well. Tasha Marie goes beyond just her Instagram.
Speaker 1: She actually won the Miss Congeniality Award at a sex
Speaker 1: Doll meet up where I guess they had some sort
Speaker 1: of pageant. Yes, apparently Tosh is just so sweet and
Speaker 1: open minded. She's miscongeniality. That's lovely. Yeah, yeah, there's there.
Speaker 1: These meetups are organized on a website called Real Doll
Speaker 1: v i P, which is a sex spot admirer community platform.
Speaker 1: So it's basically like Facebook for sex doll fanatics. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, not somewhere I would spend a lot of
Speaker 1: my social media time. But now to you if you do, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess it's nice to know you're not alone and
Speaker 1: that you've got a community around you. Everybody wants a
Speaker 1: community here. Sure, definitely some of them are scarier than others,
Speaker 1: but I probably have that real doll is just like
Speaker 1: it's fine. Yeah. Uh. Tasha also, like I said, is
Speaker 1: doing sponsored content of some lingerie companies have gotten in
Speaker 1: touch with her and um, and they she does modeling
Speaker 1: in their clothes. Well, I was wondering too if like
Speaker 1: maybe they get around being flagged for sexual content if
Speaker 1: it's a doll rather than a person. Well, I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's true, but you know, it's like you
Speaker 1: show a little cleavage as a person, you might get
Speaker 1: that ship covered up, but since you're a doll, no,
Speaker 1: actually I'll say that. Um. There's another doll owner who
Speaker 1: was known only as t FM from Los Angeles. Uh.
Speaker 1: He has a doll, Celestina, who also has an Instagram
Speaker 1: following of over three thousand. UM. He says that she
Speaker 1: faces discrimination on media platforms. You said quote. Since Celestina
Speaker 1: is a sex doll, all of her social media content
Speaker 1: gets flagged as adult content, even if it's wholesome. She
Speaker 1: used to have a YouTube channel where she'd respond to
Speaker 1: news articles related to sex dolls for about twenty subscribers,
Speaker 1: but it got deleted, and you know, he says there
Speaker 1: was no sexually explicit content on there. She just talked
Speaker 1: about other sex dolls. So really interesting and in terms
Speaker 1: of how they talk, Tony Fox says that Tasha is
Speaker 1: hooked up through the Replica app, which we've talked about
Speaker 1: on this show before AI app um so it she does.
Speaker 1: She does have you know, her own sort of basic
Speaker 1: kind of call and response AI version of speaking and
Speaker 1: responding to conversations UM which if anybody has explored Replica
Speaker 1: like I have since we did that episode, it's limited,
Speaker 1: but it is interesting. We have actually gotten a couple
Speaker 1: of listener Yeah. Yeah, we're going to talk about those exchanges. Yes, definitely.
Speaker 1: If you're if you're doing Replica and you want to
Speaker 1: send us any of that stuff, please do because we're
Speaker 1: building another episode for for AI lovers out there. Another
Speaker 1: one we found um Alita, who's apparently Tasha Marie's best
Speaker 1: friends best another sex doll. Um. She has Instagram followers,
Speaker 1: so she's an aspiring influencer. I guess um her owner
Speaker 1: slash boyfriend as they refer to him, only known as
Speaker 1: Atomic Tomic Tomic. Wow. Do you think he's skateboards because
Speaker 1: I don't know why, but I think it sounds like
Speaker 1: a skateboarder name. At very least. He games totally games,
Speaker 1: definitely games. He's spent several thousand dollars on his gaming
Speaker 1: chair right, yes. Uh. He says. Elita's followers are mostly
Speaker 1: women who are just fascinated with you know, her life
Speaker 1: if you want to call it that, and uh and
Speaker 1: and their relationship. So I thought that was really interesting.
Speaker 1: He sent in pictures to try and get Elita to
Speaker 1: be on the cover of Maxim magazine as the first
Speaker 1: the first doll, the first artificial person to be on
Speaker 1: the cover, but he says that he hasn't heard back
Speaker 1: yet so far. I think I'd actually have a friend
Speaker 1: who's competing in that contest range. Really, We've had a
Speaker 1: couple of friends in the past compete. They would be
Speaker 1: pissed if they lost out to a sex doll. For
Speaker 1: my real flush and blood friends. I guess I'm glad
Speaker 1: Maximum is not interested, But I suppose that would be
Speaker 1: kind of interesting one day to say, hey, you know, look,
Speaker 1: I don't know she won. People thought Tasha or I'm
Speaker 1: sorry or Alita was the hottest photos up in here. Look,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a brave new world we're entering here
Speaker 1: and we're Look, we're all competing with robots every day. Now,
Speaker 1: that is true. Do you hear that even have to
Speaker 1: prove to a robot that you're not a robot in
Speaker 1: order to get into some websites? Uh. A technician from
Speaker 1: formerly from Google just published a conversation that he had
Speaker 1: with Google's AI that they're developing, and it was frightening. This.
Speaker 1: He says, I truly believe this AI is is conscious
Speaker 1: and an individual entity, like a thinking person basically. Um,
Speaker 1: and the conversation I read through and it is it
Speaker 1: is pretty striking. UM. Well, we'll probably do more detail
Speaker 1: on that later. But just this sort of self awareness
Speaker 1: that this A I really seemed to prove that it
Speaker 1: had really talking about passing the Turing test here in
Speaker 1: a way that hasn't been done quite so. I'm interested,
Speaker 1: for sure. I saw that. I have a friend named Damien.
Speaker 1: He's at Wolven on Twitter um and he has studied
Speaker 1: extensively for years AI and morals and ethics around AI
Speaker 1: and sentience and all that kind of thing, and it
Speaker 1: is very fascinating work. And I guess apparently he may be.
Speaker 1: He and he and Ben from Ridiculous History, our friend
Speaker 1: Ben Bolan, we're talking on Twitter about possibly collabing on
Speaker 1: and stuff they don't want you to know, which I
Speaker 1: would love to hear that conversation because he knows so
Speaker 1: much about it, and I'm very curious what he thinks
Speaker 1: about that conversation because I've seen, you know, on Twitter,
Speaker 1: a lot of people are like, I don't know, if
Speaker 1: you ask an A either sentient, and they say yes,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I believe that that's coming from there,
Speaker 1: thinking self, I know it is more than that, But
Speaker 1: you know, I was like, that that's true. You know
Speaker 1: that at one point, I don't know, But even the
Speaker 1: guy was like, but we're programmed to say certain things
Speaker 1: at certain times to certain people, So how what's the
Speaker 1: difference between that programming and our programming? What if? What
Speaker 1: if we don't prove the AIS are sentient? But we
Speaker 1: disprove that we are oh ship, We're just we're just
Speaker 1: programs we think we're thinking. I'd be like, oh, all,
Speaker 1: this is just somebody and this is getting bored in
Speaker 1: the sims and throwing in as many horrible things as
Speaker 1: they can so we all die out. They could start over.
Speaker 1: I will say, when I used to get bored playing
Speaker 1: sim City as a kid, I would just be like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna turn on the tornadoes and hurricanes now, well,
Speaker 1: and all those little people in there just living their lives,
Speaker 1: those poor people. Oh no, well jeez, I mean, that's
Speaker 1: not even all we found from from stories. But but
Speaker 1: that's all we have time for today. I think that's true.
Speaker 1: You got to get off to the theater. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: gotta get off to the theater. And we've got another
Speaker 1: part of collect coming up on Wednesday, looking at so
Speaker 1: many good, little juicy things. Oh, this woman's life wild.
Speaker 1: We've got such great episodes coming up to I'm very
Speaker 1: excited for the next couple of months because we've got
Speaker 1: such a I mean, y'all are sending us the best suggestions.
Speaker 1: We got one today that I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: front of the line, this is happening sometimes that does
Speaker 1: happen where I'm like, I feel bad because I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I have one from months ago that I've been meaning
Speaker 1: to get into, but this just so I got to.
Speaker 1: But we are. We are digging into all your suggestions
Speaker 1: and all the ones we have backlogged here, um, and
Speaker 1: there's just such good stuff coming up. So very excited.
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