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Speaker 1: the Female of the Species. So uh, really fascinating stuff here.

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Speaker 1: Lucy Cook is a British ziologist. She's a documentary filmmaker.

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Speaker 1: She had a show on the BBC called Inside the

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Speaker 1: Batman too, you know. Yeah, we could have more than

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Speaker 1: bat shit on you though, guano excuse me, Well, it's

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Speaker 1: worth something. Yeah if ace Ventura too, when nature calls,

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Speaker 1: taught me anything superior that, Yeah, it's that guana is priceless. Priceless. Well,

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Speaker 1: out now, this on the Female of the species, says

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Speaker 1: that the sort of animal parallels that we often draw

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Speaker 1: She was quoted in CNN as saying, I found it

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Speaker 1: Throngs um that seek that seek out sex with numerous partners.

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Speaker 1: So you've got female animals like lions. A lioness is

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Speaker 1: let's try a little harder people, all right, She's like

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Speaker 1: the comments. Um. In addition to lions, Cook says that

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Speaker 1: as quote, experts think female animals are driven to have

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Speaker 1: right or like you know, you just like to think,

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Speaker 1: you know things. When someone comes around with something new,

424
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Speaker 1: it's uncomfortable. I mean, you see that in the scientific

425
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Speaker 1: community all through history, is that they're like, we're very

426
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Speaker 1: smart and learned, and we know what it means to

427
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Speaker 1: peer study and research, and then you present it and

428
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Speaker 1: we just cannot. I will not so. And don't get

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Speaker 1: me wrong that that is valuable because I mean strong

430
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Speaker 1: evolution and this includes the evolution of knowledge demands resistance, right,

431
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Speaker 1: You've got to be able to break through that resistance.

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Speaker 1: So it's important that we don't just say anything toy

433
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Speaker 1: who comes up and says, actually, it's this way, we go, okay,

434
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Speaker 1: if you say so, like you know, you want to

435
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Speaker 1: be like, well, you're going to have to fight to

436
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Speaker 1: prove it um and then in theory the accurate stuff

437
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: will break through. You know, I don't think it always

438
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Speaker 1: works like that, because of course we're people and we've

439
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Speaker 1: got like those horrible um what do you call him,

440
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 1: his opinions about things. Well, and you've got the church

441
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: still with their hands up on the science community, and

442
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Speaker 1: we've seen again and throughout history how that has limited

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Speaker 1: right and learning. And we've seen throughout history when those

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Speaker 1: two things work together, and it's marvelous exactly. So it's

445
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Speaker 1: it's just that that butting heads that can be a

446
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Speaker 1: real problem sometimes. Well, this is fascinating. I also would

447
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Speaker 1: say whatever. That male politician who said that when women

448
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Speaker 1: don't get pregnant from rape because the women's bodies have

449
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Speaker 1: ways of shutting that down. Um, I would apparently he's

450
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Speaker 1: thinking of ducking of ducks because that is not the

451
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Speaker 1: way a woman's vagina where he's like, I don't know,

452
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Speaker 1: every time I get a pc a vagina, it's all

453
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Speaker 1: dead ends for me. So I thought it was the

454
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Speaker 1: same thing. You know what, that guy's probably got a

455
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Speaker 1: corkscrew penis, probably does with a corkscrew dick for sure.

456
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Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean that's definitely a brand new look

457
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Speaker 1: at the animal kingdom relationship between males and females. Uh,

458
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Speaker 1: and hopefully it opens our minds a little bit right

459
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Speaker 1: about our own or well, I guess that's her point,

460
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Speaker 1: is that it should be able to open up our

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Speaker 1: minds about our own sexuality and rules governing our behaviors

462
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Speaker 1: and what's natural I guess, what's instinctive between the sexes,

463
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Speaker 1: and of course not to be confused with gender the

464
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Speaker 1: whole other category and a whole other thing. But um,

465
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Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, I think it's really interesting to look at. Yeah,

466
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Speaker 1: it's good to know, good to know that the females

467
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Speaker 1: the animal kingdom are out there, yeah, making making the

468
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Speaker 1: day their own sometimes the chimps man thousands thousands of times. Well,

469
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Speaker 1: in a way, it kind of makes sense because you

470
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Speaker 1: see so many times also in the animal Kingdom, how

471
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Speaker 1: the male of the species is the more beautifully colored

472
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Speaker 1: and they're the ones who have to do the little

473
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Speaker 1: dances and the and try to encourage a woman to

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Speaker 1: or a female of the species to mate with them,

475
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Speaker 1: right versus the other way around. Well, that's one of

476
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Speaker 1: the things she talks about, is like getting away from

477
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Speaker 1: that idea that females of the species are just like

478
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Speaker 1: resistant to sex. They're very picky and choosy, and they're like,

479
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Speaker 1: only one of you shall mate with me, when in

480
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Speaker 1: fact they're out there like doing it a lot. She's like,

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Speaker 1: anyone who dances you get, come over here, blue footed booby,

482
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Speaker 1: I'm ready. Oh, we need more blue footed boobies to

483
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Speaker 1: be mating. We really do, right, Endangered, I believe, I think.

484
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Speaker 1: So let's find out they are listed under the least

485
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Speaker 1: concern category of conservation status. Their population is stable, but

486
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Speaker 1: the red footed booby is in a in a decreasing population,

487
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Speaker 1: still under the least concerned category. But you know, that

488
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Speaker 1: just means out of all the ones that we're killing off,

489
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Speaker 1: these ones are the ones were least concerned about right now,

490
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Speaker 1: um population decreasing. So get out there, boobies, right footed

491
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Speaker 1: boobies specifically. So that's a very exciting story. I think

492
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Speaker 1: we'll take a quick break because we're going to come

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Speaker 1: back with one very intense story that Diana's God. That

494
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Speaker 1: was really fascinating, maybe real mad. I hope that. Hope

495
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Speaker 1: that makes a stick. Yeah, anger, get mad, hey, but

496
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Speaker 1: it is righteous anger. Okay, everybody loves right just sing here, Yeah,

497
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Speaker 1: be right back. Okay, welcome back to the show, everybody.

498
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I hope you're ready ready for that righteous

499
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: anger because this is coming from the Times of Israel. Um.

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Speaker 1: The article is called woman Freed after being chained in

501
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Speaker 1: her marriage for twenty two years, and it is by

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Speaker 1: judah Ari Gross And you know obviously that headline. I

503
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Speaker 1: was like, excuse me, I had to look into that,

504
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Speaker 1: uh um. And so the story is about a woman

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Speaker 1: named Tamar that is in alias. She's not giving her

506
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Speaker 1: real name, but Tamar was married to this guy. They

507
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Speaker 1: had a child together, but he was never really enthusiastic

508
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Speaker 1: about their marriage, and he was apparently kind of abusive

509
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Speaker 1: and neglectful and just not a great husband. So she's

510
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Speaker 1: decided to file for divorce. In sounds totally normal. That's

511
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Speaker 1: what you should do in that kind of situation, exact

512
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Speaker 1: kind of you know. It's unfortunately you ever got into

513
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Speaker 1: that situation begin with. But it happens. Some people get

514
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Speaker 1: married and it turns out to be not the fantasy

515
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Speaker 1: they might have dreamed of exactly. But apparently in Judaism,

516
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Speaker 1: women cannot get a divorce without the consent of their husband.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, is this like an orthodox thing? In Israel?

518
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Speaker 1: They are only religious marriages and divorces, So yeah, I

519
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Speaker 1: think so it's just a very religious, uh ceremony. It's

520
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: not just like here it's such a legal thing. I

521
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: can have religious trappings, but I suppose, I guess in

522
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Speaker 1: Israel it's much more like this is a religious contract

523
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Speaker 1: with God that you are making, and so you can't

524
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Speaker 1: just break that. Okay. So it sounds like the state

525
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Speaker 1: law follows the religious law in terms of, like, you

526
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Speaker 1: can't just get divorced without your husband's permission. Rabbinical laws

527
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Speaker 1: that they refer to this article and the rabbinical courts. Okay, okay, yeah,

528
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: so anyway they can't They can't get divorced until their

529
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Speaker 1: husband's like, yeah, i'd also like a divorce. And the

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Speaker 1: reason they have the term chained women is because women

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Speaker 1: who ask for her divorce and their husbands refuse are

532
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Speaker 1: chained to their marriage. Because they are they have no

533
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Speaker 1: legal recourse if their husband doesn't agree, and they say,

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Speaker 1: it's pretty unusual for someone to be chained for a

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Speaker 1: very long time. Usually husbands use it as like a

536
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: chess piece during the divorce proceedings. He's like, I won't

537
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: say yes unless this is this, and then she's chained

538
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Speaker 1: for a couple of months or a year until they

539
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: figured it all out and whatever. It kind of sounds

540
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: like being separated or estranged rather than divorced. Yet you know,

541
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: like you're not you're not legally done with that part.

542
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: But y'all don't live together no more, and they don't

543
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: like each other whatever whatever is going on with that.

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Speaker 1: Um So it's very unusual too for it to last

545
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: a super super long time. But Tamar is a special

546
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: case because her husband ran off to the US, where

547
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: the rabbinical courts have no jurisdiction and refused to grant

548
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: her a divorce for twenty two years. My god, and

549
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: they couldn't. They couldn't just say like, oh, well he's

550
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Speaker 1: out of bounds, therefore his say doesn't count anymore. Exactly.

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Speaker 1: This is why it's like, it's really making me angry

552
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: that it's like this, and you know it's not just me.

553
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: There is a organization that represents Tamar called Mavoice sottom.

554
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: It means dead end in Hebrew, speaking of dead ends um.

555
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: And they represent women who have been denied a divorce,

556
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: and so they kind of speak for tomorrow. She didn't

557
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Speaker 1: speak herself to this to the Times of Israel, so

558
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: we're getting the whole story from her lawyers. The article

559
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Speaker 1: says that in Israel, where there is only religious marriage

560
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: or divorce, these women are also legally trapped, potentially facing

561
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Speaker 1: certain penalties in any future divorce proceedings if they have

562
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: romantic relationships with other men, as this would technically constitute adulter.

563
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Speaker 1: They are also unable to have children with other men,

564
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Speaker 1: as those children would be considered illegitimate under Jewish law,

565
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Speaker 1: which bars them from marrying. And almost all circumstances, this

566
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Speaker 1: is a really big deal to be denied a divorce.

567
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Speaker 1: She basically her life was stalled out for twenty two

568
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Speaker 1: years after having one shitty marriage with a guy who

569
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Speaker 1: didn't even care about her that much and a child

570
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Speaker 1: who I'm sure she loves very much with right, but

571
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Speaker 1: he disappears and she can't No no tinder for her.

572
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: There's no no no dating, no new husband, no no

573
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: new kids anything like that. Surely did this guy just

574
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Speaker 1: disappear to the US or is she like reaching out

575
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: to him? No, they've they've they've been in contact for

576
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 1: the past twenty two years. She had so she had

577
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 1: basically asked for the divorce. He said no. Then she

578
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: sued for child support because she's of course raising the

579
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: child in is real by herself, and he's off in

580
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Speaker 1: the US. He won't pay it um eventually, so they

581
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: keep contacting him, and they're like please, you know, I

582
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: think the Rabbis are like stressing religiously, like you're doing

583
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: something bad, um, what are you doing? Please stop? And

584
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: also you're in the US and you clearly have no

585
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 1: life with it. What are you doing? What's the purpose

586
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: of this? So they kept contact, They had contact um,

587
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 1: so they kept reaching out, he just kept refusing. Finally

588
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: she even dropped her child support claim. She said, just

589
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: give me the divorce and you don't have to do anything,

590
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: and he still said no. This guy's like, hey, look,

591
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Speaker 1: my religion says it's the will of God, whom I

592
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: want to please, for me to say screw you so long,

593
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: thanks for nothing. The article says, under the Israeli Chief

594
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: rabbin its interpretation, as well as that of most authorities

595
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: on Jewish law, there is no way to dissolve a

596
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Speaker 1: legally valid marriage without the consent of the husband. Rabbinate

597
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: courts can impose sanctions, including prison time, on husbands who

598
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: are recognized as refusing to give a religious divorce, but

599
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: they cannot force them to give one, and the rabbin

600
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: its hands are further tied if the divorce refusing husband

601
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: flees the country, which puts them outside of their jurisdiction.

602
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: Of course, so the attorney from a Voice, Attom Batia Cohen,

603
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: who represented Tamar in court, said, quote, they took her freedom,

604
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: they took her womb, and gave her nothing in return.

605
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Speaker 1: Because they're pointing out, of course, twenty two years have passed.

606
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: Now tomorrow is in her fifties. It's not likely at

607
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Speaker 1: this point that she's going to be able to have

608
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Speaker 1: more children. It might not be likely that she could

609
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: find another partner depend I don't know what it's like

610
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: in Israel, but it's I think it's hard here for

611
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: women over a certain age to find a man who

612
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 1: wants to marry them and be with them. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: it's just real fucked up, and it feels like he

614
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: straight up did that on purpose. He was like, I

615
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: just don't want you to be happy and have kids

616
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: with other people and do like live your life, so

617
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna like go off somewhere. Also, by the way,

618
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: while he's in the US, the man had another partner

619
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Speaker 1: and more children. Of course, because that's no problem. He's like,

620
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Speaker 1: I'm a male in in case you didn't know that,

621
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Speaker 1: in nature, males get to go out and have lots

622
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: of sex while females just sit home quietly, quietly. Well,

623
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Speaker 1: I got I got an article for you. Have I

624
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: got some news for you, sir. Let me introduce you

625
00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: to Lucy Cook, zoologist. She has won all her rulings

626
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: in court basically over this case. But again, since he's

627
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: in the US, there's nothing you can do, and she

628
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: just had to wait and wait and deal with it.

629
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Speaker 1: But then suddenly this week to Mars, attorney received a call.

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Speaker 1: Batia Cohen says, Rabbi asher erin True from Rabbinical Courts

631
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: Division for Agonaut called and said, I have your get,

632
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Speaker 1: which is the Hebrew word for divorce. It was signed

633
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Speaker 1: with no conditions, so he didn't even Apparently a local

634
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: American rabbi had convinced him to grant the divorce. So

635
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: like all these rabbis from Israel, where he's from, are

636
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: calling him and being like, yeah, bro, what are you doing?

637
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 1: And this American rabbi was like, listen, seriously, what are

638
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 1: you doing? And I guess it worked. I don't know

639
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: where he was just tired of it, or maybe he

640
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: wants to marry his American partner at this point and

641
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: I can't because he's still married in Israel. I don't

642
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: know what his motivation was, but he finally did it.

643
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's just really frustrating because again, I don't know,

644
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: I keep coming back to that just biological unfairness of

645
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: a woman's body that eventually you can't have children anymore

646
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: of it safely for you or the child, and that

647
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: men do see you as dried up in not desirable

648
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 1: after your turn fifty or so. There's a great sketch

649
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: about your last fuckable day and wood stuff where once

650
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: you turn about fifty sixty you're not fuckable anymore, your

651
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: old lady sketch. It's a really funny sketch. So yeah,

652
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. It just really made me really piste

653
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: off to read it. That it felt it again, It

654
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: felt so malicious that he knew was that about women,

655
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: that there's eventually a point where of no return, and

656
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 1: so he wanted to wait it out and make her

657
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: miserable as long as possible, just reason. I remember you

658
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: were reading this article and you said it reminded you

659
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: of the of Ted Lasso and Rupert and Rebecca him

660
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 1: him sort of like waiting her out and then divorcing

661
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: her and saying, oh, and I never wanted kids with you, right,

662
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: And then he got with a much younger woman gets

663
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: to have a baby where she's too old now to

664
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: have a m I'm assuming she's at least feels herself

665
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: to be too old to have a baby, or perhaps

666
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: just it's again, it's just a lot more complicated. The

667
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: older you get, so it's like you knew, you know

668
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: exactly what you're doing, so it feels really malicious and shitty.

669
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 1: And I was like, if I live near this motherfucker,

670
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: I would go around and slap the ship out of

671
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: That is how I reacted to this story myself. Yeah,

672
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: with um righteous anger, righteous anger, yes, yeah, appropriately so

673
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: My Voice sat him. The organization said that tomorrow is

674
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,720
Speaker 1: considering suing her ex husband in civil court for damages,

675
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: including the child support she should have been received for

676
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,240
Speaker 1: this whole time um as well as, of course her suffering.

677
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: Cohen added, quote, no money in the world could sufficiently

678
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: compensate her for the years that he took from her,

679
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 1: and for her rights over her body, which were also

680
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: taken from her in terms of bringing other children into

681
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: the world. This was completely taken from her. And then

682
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 1: the CEO of My Voice Atom They end the article

683
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,720
Speaker 1: with a quote from him. His name is rit LaHave

684
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: and he says, quote, the Rabbinic courts need to do

685
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: some introspection about how a woman's life can be taken

686
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: from her mercilessly due to Jewish law. We know that

687
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 1: there are solutions in Jewish law to this phenomenon of

688
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,959
Speaker 1: chaining women, and every day that the rabbinic courts don't

689
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: use those solutions is a terrible injustice. Yeah, I mean,

690
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,959
Speaker 1: neither of us is Jewish, and I think it's it's

691
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: plain and clear that this is not, you know, in

692
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: any way exclusively an issue to Judaism or Israel, but

693
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: it's this is a very clear example of how either

694
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: religion or legal systems are often very skewed into the

695
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 1: husband's favor in divorce proceedings and things like that. Um. Again,

696
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: kind of not not far off from going back to

697
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: that mentality from the animal kingdom that like, well, men

698
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: are supposed to be the ones making all the decisions

699
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: and women just sitting the nest and keep the eggs warm.

700
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 1: Are they're protective and they provide someone and women are

701
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: just there to like change the curtains or something whatever.

702
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: But it is incredibly patriarchal, and it did a little

703
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: bit answer a question for me, because I guess women

704
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: can't do the same. If a man asks for a divorce,

705
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: she can't change him to her while they go through

706
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: the divorce proceedings. This is specifically a husband thing, um,

707
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: And I did not check that, so if you if

708
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: you know a difference that So, if you know that

709
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: that's wrong, please let me know. Um. But it just

710
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: seems to me from this quote at the end where

711
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: he's like, we know there's solutions to this for women

712
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: and we're simply not applying them. Well, then that says

713
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: to me that husbands get to have a divorce pretty

714
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 1: easily probably, whereas women have to wait and wait and

715
00:41:55,320 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: wait for the band's pleasure. Oh, tailor is old? Is?

716
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: I mean? You know, it's not everywhere, it's not all

717
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: of time. There's there's matriarchal societies out there, um. But

718
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: but it's a tale. It's an old tale, a common tale. Yes,

719
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: it's just very frustrating, and I feel badly for her.

720
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: I'm very glad that she got her divorced. I'm sure

721
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: she feels great now and she's making the best of it,

722
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: and hopefully she's feeling good. And I hope she wins

723
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,240
Speaker 1: a bunch of money from him, right, Not that money

724
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: is everything, but that's clearly the only thing she can

725
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: get from that, So take it. What's money to a life?

726
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: You know, obviously there's no comparison there, but you know,

727
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: if you can't get one get the other at least, right,

728
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: he just should suffer. That's my opinion. I think she

729
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: needs to suffer in some way, shape or form. Well, money, fine,

730
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: I think that's the most boring form of suffering. And

731
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I'm always less vindictive in in

732
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: the courts, but but artless. She needs her life balanced out.

733
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: She needs a lot of goodness in her life to

734
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: balance out the struggles that she went through for so long,

735
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 1: fair minimum, just twenty two years of something dragging on

736
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: and on and constantly getting these knockdowns from him every

737
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: now and then. Just it's like a torture. It's like

738
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: a long drawn out, slow torture. And you know, if

739
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: nobody's looking and he gets kicked once or twice, you know,

740
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say anything. I won't say anything

741
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: and be happy to do it. If someone knows a

742
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,959
Speaker 1: guy who has changed his wife in Israel for twenty

743
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: two years and got a tip for me, hot tips

744
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: that where he might live, don't send it to us

745
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: because then we are you're liable, We're we're suspects. Let's

746
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:55,919
Speaker 1: just leave it at that. Well, that guy sucks. Fuck him.

747
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 1: That sucks. My my verdict. The Court of Diana says

748
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: that guy sucks and fuck him and he deserves a

749
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 1: real kick in the pants front or back, both front

750
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: and back. All right, well, I think we'll take a

751
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: quick break to cool off. We'll come back with some

752
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:22,760
Speaker 1: more exciting and very ridiculous romances, so we'll be right back. Okay,

753
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: welcome back to the show, everyone, and I had a

754
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: nice long drink of water, and I feel much cooler now.

755
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,720
Speaker 1: She's unclenched her finch, her fists, all the steam has

756
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: come out of my ears. No more. Let's lighten it

757
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: up here because we're gonna go back to talking about

758
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: one of our favorite subjects here on this show, AI

759
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: and sex dolls. So we found this story on well

760
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: New York posts, so take it for what it's worth.

761
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: But it's I've verified some of it for sure. So

762
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: this is about social media influencer. This girl has three

763
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: thousand followers on Instagram. She gets a lot of attention.

764
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: She's got sponsored content with lingerie companies and things like that. Um,

765
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: but what's really interesting about her is that she's a

766
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 1: sex doll, like an artificial doll, um built to look

767
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: like a real girl, no strings to hold her down. Um,

768
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: this this sex doll is um owned slash dated by

769
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: a guy known as Tony Fox of Cherry Hill, New Jersey.

770
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: He's apparently in his late fifties. Uh. He says the

771
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: doll is about thirty six years old. Well, that's nice

772
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 1: that she's a nice normal age. Her name is Tasha

773
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: Marie and I did find her on Instagram? Is Tasha

774
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: Underscore Marie Underscore eighties? Six? Um? Because of that's her birthday,

775
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: I guess than six right at Tony Fox did an

776
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: interview with the poet. He says that quote she's so

777
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: friendly and outgoing, a feminist and a supporter of the

778
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: l g B t q I A plus community. Yeah

779
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: Tasha like that, right? He says. Who else is synthetic

780
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: but has this kind of larger than life personality. So

781
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: he manages her Instagram. They do all these uh you know,

782
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: sexy photos and she also has an only fans page

783
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: for the more explicit photographs risk ay stuff that she does.

784
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,240
Speaker 1: But you know, obviously we're wondering how did this relationship develop?

785
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: What's going on? Is this guy crazy as this twisted?

786
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: Is there something weird happening here? But actually it's a

787
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: little bit sweeter than that. Tony Fox purchased Tasha Marie

788
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: for a little less than five grand in December after

789
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: his wife, Marie after whom I believe the dollars named,

790
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: was stricken with cancer and she had a lot of

791
00:46:54,760 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: ongoing medical complications. And Marie is super supportive of Tony

792
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: and his relationship with this doll. Um. She actually gives

793
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: him a lot of ideas for the kinds of sexy

794
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: poses and stuff that he can do with her online. Uh,

795
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: what I don't know lab marriage, Yeah, absolutely. What I

796
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: don't know from the article is whether or not Tony

797
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: Fox is actually having sex with this doll. Yeah. I

798
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: kind of assume, so I would assume that's why you

799
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: bought her. Like maybe the medical complications were such that

800
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: their physical relationship really just come to a complete stop.

801
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: And she was like, I can't let you be run

802
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: around with another lady. But if we're want a doll,

803
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: then that's okay. I remember reading a few years back,

804
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: and I'm just going to cite this from memory here,

805
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: so forgive me. It might be kind of off, but

806
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: I believe the story was. It was on Reddit from

807
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: a sex worker and she said that one of her

808
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: clients was a couple where, um, the woman in the

809
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: relationship was had an illness and she couldn't perform sexually

810
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,919
Speaker 1: with her husband anymore, and so the two of them

811
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: called her in and the and the sex worker in

812
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: the husband had sex. The woman was there kind of

813
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 1: like offering encouragement and suggestions and like sort of verbally

814
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: taking part without being able to physically take part. And

815
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,919
Speaker 1: she's like, this is what this couple needed. The sex

816
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: worker is saying this, She's this, this is what the

817
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: couple needed. They loved it. It brought them closer together,

818
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: they felt like they were they still had an intimate relationship. Um.

819
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 1: So you know, this is these kind of touching stories

820
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: about people who maybe can't themselves, but they find alternative

821
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: ways of having intimacy. So the speculation station that maybe

822
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:44,479
Speaker 1: what's happening between Tony and his wife and and Tasha here,

823
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: that makes sense to me. I mean, you know, there's

824
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: a lot that's very healing about or can be very

825
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 1: healing about sex and and even kink um. There's definitely

826
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: many articles out there about the healing power of kink

827
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 1: in healing sexual trauma specifically. I mean, you've got to

828
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: find the right person and you know, all that stuff.

829
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: But they talk about it being just just such a

830
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: freeing thing to figure out what you like and feel

831
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: like you're in a safe space where you have a

832
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 1: lot of control. Um. Some people even act out sexual

833
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: scenarios that had traumatized them in the past, but because

834
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: they have control over that, it kind of takes the

835
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: trauma out of it and it helps them move on. Um.

836
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,479
Speaker 1: So it's just it's interest. Like, I'm not a sex

837
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 1: doll person, and I think if you were walking around

838
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: with one, I might think you're kind of a weird

839
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: all I think, I think I would get judgmental. But

840
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 1: I wish that we didn't have such a kick, you know,

841
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: knee jerk reaction to it, because there can be really

842
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: wonderful like like this a wonderful reason to have one

843
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: or a sex worker come into your marriage. And I'm

844
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,439
Speaker 1: saying that's a real that sex work is real work.

845
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Speaker 1: That's real work. She just did something for them that

846
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,919
Speaker 1: no one else, no other practitioner could have done, which

847
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: is why, of course it should be federally legal. Is

848
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,760
Speaker 1: safe regulations put into place. Uh, It's totally a service

849
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 1: people are willing to pay for. And offer for money

850
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: or or whatever it is their exchanges. Um, it's kind

851
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: of outrageous that it's illegal, and it's usually just a

852
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: way for certain institutions to make money off of people

853
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: who are just trying to make money off of themselves. Honestly,

854
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: it's like in terms of this country being all about

855
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: the spirit of entrepreneurship, come on, it's literally the oldest profession.

856
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 1: And it's again we're we're in a a capitalist society

857
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: where it's all about, Hey, if you've got something to offer,

858
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 1: someone will pay for it. That's what we encourage all

859
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: the time. And you know, if someone's like, hey, I

860
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: got something offer all right, and people are willing up

861
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 1: hey for these you know whatever, come on, come on,

862
00:50:55,600 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: that would be well. Tasha Marie goes beyond just her Instagram.

863
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 1: She actually won the Miss Congeniality Award at a sex

864
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: Doll meet up where I guess they had some sort

865
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: of pageant. Yes, apparently Tosh is just so sweet and

866
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: open minded. She's miscongeniality. That's lovely. Yeah, yeah, there's there.

867
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Speaker 1: These meetups are organized on a website called Real Doll

868
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: v i P, which is a sex spot admirer community platform.

869
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: So it's basically like Facebook for sex doll fanatics. Um,

870
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: you know, not somewhere I would spend a lot of

871
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: my social media time. But now to you if you do, Yeah,

872
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: I guess it's nice to know you're not alone and

873
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: that you've got a community around you. Everybody wants a

874
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 1: community here. Sure, definitely some of them are scarier than others,

875
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: but I probably have that real doll is just like

876
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: it's fine. Yeah. Uh. Tasha also, like I said, is

877
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: doing sponsored content of some lingerie companies have gotten in

878
00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 1: touch with her and um, and they she does modeling

879
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 1: in their clothes. Well, I was wondering too if like

880
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 1: maybe they get around being flagged for sexual content if

881
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: it's a doll rather than a person. Well, I don't

882
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: know if that's true, but you know, it's like you

883
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: show a little cleavage as a person, you might get

884
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: that ship covered up, but since you're a doll, no,

885
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: actually I'll say that. Um. There's another doll owner who

886
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: was known only as t FM from Los Angeles. Uh.

887
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: He has a doll, Celestina, who also has an Instagram

888
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: following of over three thousand. UM. He says that she

889
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: faces discrimination on media platforms. You said quote. Since Celestina

890
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: is a sex doll, all of her social media content

891
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: gets flagged as adult content, even if it's wholesome. She

892
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: used to have a YouTube channel where she'd respond to

893
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 1: news articles related to sex dolls for about twenty subscribers,

894
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: but it got deleted, and you know, he says there

895
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: was no sexually explicit content on there. She just talked

896
00:52:56,320 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: about other sex dolls. So really interesting and in terms

897
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: of how they talk, Tony Fox says that Tasha is

898
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 1: hooked up through the Replica app, which we've talked about

899
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 1: on this show before AI app um so it she does.

900
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,240
Speaker 1: She does have you know, her own sort of basic

901
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: kind of call and response AI version of speaking and

902
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 1: responding to conversations UM which if anybody has explored Replica

903
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: like I have since we did that episode, it's limited,

904
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 1: but it is interesting. We have actually gotten a couple

905
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: of listener Yeah. Yeah, we're going to talk about those exchanges. Yes, definitely.

906
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: If you're if you're doing Replica and you want to

907
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 1: send us any of that stuff, please do because we're

908
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: building another episode for for AI lovers out there. Another

909
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: one we found um Alita, who's apparently Tasha Marie's best

910
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: friends best another sex doll. Um. She has Instagram followers,

911
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 1: so she's an aspiring influencer. I guess um her owner

912
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: slash boyfriend as they refer to him, only known as

913
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: Atomic Tomic Tomic. Wow. Do you think he's skateboards because

914
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: I don't know why, but I think it sounds like

915
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: a skateboarder name. At very least. He games totally games,

916
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: definitely games. He's spent several thousand dollars on his gaming

917
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:22,280
Speaker 1: chair right, yes. Uh. He says. Elita's followers are mostly

918
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 1: women who are just fascinated with you know, her life

919
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 1: if you want to call it that, and uh and

920
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: and their relationship. So I thought that was really interesting.

921
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: He sent in pictures to try and get Elita to

922
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,760
Speaker 1: be on the cover of Maxim magazine as the first

923
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: the first doll, the first artificial person to be on

924
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: the cover, but he says that he hasn't heard back

925
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,839
Speaker 1: yet so far. I think I'd actually have a friend

926
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:53,320
Speaker 1: who's competing in that contest range. Really, We've had a

927
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: couple of friends in the past compete. They would be

928
00:54:55,920 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: pissed if they lost out to a sex doll. For

929
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,919
Speaker 1: my real flush and blood friends. I guess I'm glad

930
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: Maximum is not interested, But I suppose that would be

931
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,959
Speaker 1: kind of interesting one day to say, hey, you know, look,

932
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:12,399
Speaker 1: I don't know she won. People thought Tasha or I'm

933
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 1: sorry or Alita was the hottest photos up in here. Look,

934
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: it's a it's a brave new world we're entering here

935
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 1: and we're Look, we're all competing with robots every day. Now,

936
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: that is true. Do you hear that even have to

937
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: prove to a robot that you're not a robot in

938
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: order to get into some websites? Uh. A technician from

939
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: formerly from Google just published a conversation that he had

940
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: with Google's AI that they're developing, and it was frightening. This.

941
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 1: He says, I truly believe this AI is is conscious

942
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: and an individual entity, like a thinking person basically. Um,

943
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: and the conversation I read through and it is it

944
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: is pretty striking. UM. Well, we'll probably do more detail

945
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: on that later. But just this sort of self awareness

946
00:55:58,080 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: that this A I really seemed to prove that it

947
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 1: had really talking about passing the Turing test here in

948
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: a way that hasn't been done quite so. I'm interested,

949
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,240
Speaker 1: for sure. I saw that. I have a friend named Damien.

950
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: He's at Wolven on Twitter um and he has studied

951
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: extensively for years AI and morals and ethics around AI

952
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 1: and sentience and all that kind of thing, and it

953
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: is very fascinating work. And I guess apparently he may be.

954
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: He and he and Ben from Ridiculous History, our friend

955
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: Ben Bolan, we're talking on Twitter about possibly collabing on

956
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: and stuff they don't want you to know, which I

957
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 1: would love to hear that conversation because he knows so

958
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,959
Speaker 1: much about it, and I'm very curious what he thinks

959
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 1: about that conversation because I've seen, you know, on Twitter,

960
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: a lot of people are like, I don't know, if

961
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 1: you ask an A either sentient, and they say yes,

962
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I believe that that's coming from there,

963
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: thinking self, I know it is more than that, But

964
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 1: you know, I was like, that that's true. You know

965
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 1: that at one point, I don't know, But even the

966
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: guy was like, but we're programmed to say certain things

967
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 1: at certain times to certain people, So how what's the

968
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: difference between that programming and our programming? What if? What

969
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: if we don't prove the AIS are sentient? But we

970
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: disprove that we are oh ship, We're just we're just

971
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: programs we think we're thinking. I'd be like, oh, all,

972
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 1: this is just somebody and this is getting bored in

973
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: the sims and throwing in as many horrible things as

974
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: they can so we all die out. They could start over.

975
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 1: I will say, when I used to get bored playing

976
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: sim City as a kid, I would just be like,

977
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna turn on the tornadoes and hurricanes now, well,

978
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: and all those little people in there just living their lives,

979
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: those poor people. Oh no, well jeez, I mean, that's

980
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: not even all we found from from stories. But but

981
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: that's all we have time for today. I think that's true.

982
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: You got to get off to the theater. Yeah, I

983
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: gotta get off to the theater. And we've got another

984
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: part of collect coming up on Wednesday, looking at so

985
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: many good, little juicy things. Oh, this woman's life wild.

986
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: We've got such great episodes coming up to I'm very

987
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: excited for the next couple of months because we've got

988
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: such a I mean, y'all are sending us the best suggestions.

989
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: We got one today that I'm like, oh my god,

990
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: front of the line, this is happening sometimes that does

991
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: happen where I'm like, I feel bad because I'm like, oh,

992
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: I have one from months ago that I've been meaning

993
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: to get into, but this just so I got to.

994
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: But we are. We are digging into all your suggestions

995
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 1: and all the ones we have backlogged here, um, and

996
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: there's just such good stuff coming up. So very excited.

997
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 1: Thanks for tuning in today. We always appreciate you spending

998
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: your time with us that Ridiculous Romance, and we always

999
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: appreciate hearing from you. So if you have any thoughts

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1001
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Speaker 1: the future, please reach out and email us. We are

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