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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, and welcome to Too Much Information, the show

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Speaker 2: that brings you the secret histories and little known fascinating

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Speaker 2: facts and figures behind your favorite TV shows, movies, music,

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Speaker 2: and more. We are your two teen detectives of trivia,

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Speaker 2: your filthy Beatnikes.

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Speaker 3: Of fascinating bits and bobs, your great Danes of great decisions.

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Speaker 3: I'm Alex Sigel.

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Speaker 1: You're meddling kids of key points.

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Speaker 4: I guess that's fine, that's possible.

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Speaker 1: And my name is Jordan run Talk.

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Speaker 3: And today, Jordan, we're talking about one of the great

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Speaker 3: American cultural legacies of the twentieth century. Not homophobia or

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Speaker 3: institutionalized racism or trickle down economics, the rather Scooby Dude.

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Speaker 3: Since September of nineteen sixty nine, Scubert Doolittle is that's

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Speaker 3: not actually his name, I think it is. It's Scubert,

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Speaker 3: but scuber Do. Scubert Do, his loyal human companion Shaggy,

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Speaker 3: and the rest have been taking to a stinking windowless

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Speaker 3: van called the Mystery Machine to solve various real estate

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Speaker 3: and petty theft related crimes. The initial animated series Scooby Doo,

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Speaker 3: Where are.

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Speaker 4: You question mark or no question mark.

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Speaker 3: You know, I've been googling so many different spin offs

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Speaker 3: of this show. You could just tell me it was

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Speaker 3: called like Scooby Doo Electric Boogoloo. Yeah, that's what I

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Speaker 3: spent That's what I spent six hours. No it is. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's got a solely an exclamation point without a question. Stupid,

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Speaker 3: stupid country that originally air Saturday mornings on CBS lasted

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Speaker 3: two seasons and twenty five episodes. But from that original seed,

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Speaker 3: over a dozen different TV series and specials, two live

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Speaker 3: action movies, twenty five direct to DVD movies, and over

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Speaker 3: twenty video games were born. Kevin Sandler and Arizona State

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Speaker 3: University professor Working Arond, a book about the show, considers

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Speaker 3: it the most spun off show in television history. What

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Speaker 3: do you say about that?

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Speaker 1: I mean that scans like we were talking about before

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Speaker 1: taping this, it just when you mentioned Scooby Doo, my

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Speaker 1: first thought was just what of it? Like, there's just

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Speaker 1: it just seems to be this this giant wall of media.

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Speaker 3: He's like the Liberty Bell or Rocky or.

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Speaker 1: Something that's not in phil Yeah, the cheese steak.

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Speaker 3: Oh No, wait, I do remember watching this growing up.

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Speaker 3: I think I saw a lot of the Hand and

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Speaker 3: Barbara stuff when it was on reruns in various different places.

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Speaker 3: I definitely remember Space Ghost, This, Super Friends, Ah, and

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Speaker 3: then in my teens they started getting recycled into the

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Speaker 3: stoner comedy stuff that Adult Swim was doing, like Space Ghost,

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Speaker 3: Coast to Coast and Harvey Birdman Attorney at Law.

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Speaker 1: I was a big sea lab of twenty twenty one guy, Yes,

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Speaker 1: that was that your.

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Speaker 3: With my pench my youth full pinschon for spookery, I'd

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Speaker 3: love it. Scooby Do in his pals were on the

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Speaker 3: surface concerned with vaguely supernatural situations, even if they always

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Speaker 3: turned out to be an old white man and a

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Speaker 1: That's the true dark heart of America. It's always an

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Speaker 1: old white man in a rubber mask. Was there, ever,

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Speaker 1: Webber He's wearing like a Nixon mask, like that that

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Speaker 1: crime movie. What was that movie where they're all wearing

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Speaker 1: like presidential masks and.

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Speaker 3: Point break point break.

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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, that's the one.

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Speaker 3: Just watch that movie recently still holds up.

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Speaker 1: You know, I didn't really watch Scooby Do very much,

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Speaker 1: despite the fact that it has all the hallmarks of

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Speaker 1: things that I love, which is like toothless sixties, psychedelia

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Speaker 1: You know. I was more of a Flintstone's Jetson's guy

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Speaker 1: when it came to the Hannah Barbera collection, They're ovra ouva.

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Speaker 3: Those are the ones that I found boring, right, I

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Speaker 3: mean again, bat bat scans, I also say, and I'm

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Speaker 3: really I'm afraid to this the waters that I'm about

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Speaker 1: I sort of have a thing against cartoon dogs for

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Speaker 1: DSM five under the entry for a bad person or

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Speaker 1: a sociopath. I'm aware of that, but I really think

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Speaker 1: it was There was a scene, and I think it

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Speaker 1: was in All Dogs Go to Heaven, that Don Bluth

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Speaker 4: As a result of this. Not dogs cartoon, Dogs cartoon dogs.

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Speaker 1: That's a different kind of dog. But I guess I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about like big, like Bulto like dogs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Balto and Marmaduke.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the dog from All Dogs Go to Heaven, which

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Speaker 1: I think was like a German shepherd.

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Speaker 3: German shepherd.

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Speaker 3: So you just don't like large animated dogs.

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Speaker 4: Maybe it's because I grew up with Dublin pinchers.

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Speaker 3: Oh god, what did you grow up in the sas.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now, I guess I get that, but I don't know.

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Speaker 3: You're on your own there as as far as you know. Well,

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Speaker 3: from the show's root says counterprogramming to the perceived violence

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Speaker 3: Scooby Doo. So pass forwarding or rewinding back to Jesus,

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Speaker 3: I don't even know what direction time goes in anymore.

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Speaker 3: Rewinding back to the late sixties as hilarious, the quaint

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Speaker 3: the iconic Canna Barbara cartoons you may know, were actually

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Speaker 3: One was particularly bizarre. It was called Super President, a

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Speaker 3: as that sounds. The National Association of Broadcasters derided it

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Speaker 3: responsible for this direct ideological approach to totalitarianism. We fear

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Speaker 3: that may be other broadcasters who are irresponsible enough to

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Speaker 3: keep it in circulation, pause and realize the time when

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Speaker 3: people were concerned about the creeping representation of fascism in

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Speaker 3: appalled that the show was broadcast not even four years

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Speaker 1: Not faster than the speeding bullet was waiting.

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Speaker 3: To see if you were going to take that one.

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Speaker 1: It was there, It was there.

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Speaker 3: In nineteen sixty eight, a grassroots group called Action for

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Speaker 3: Children's Television or ACT, was founded by Peggy Charon and

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Speaker 3: a group of housewives and mothers in Newton, Massachusetts, and

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Speaker 1: That's wild, that's really that feels wrong to me.

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Speaker 3: It was something like nine minutes in adult programming and

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Speaker 1: My god, wait per hour or per half hour, that

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Speaker 4: Sorry, that's still that's still really crazy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So ACT and others of their ILK put enough

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Speaker 3: pressure on broadcasters so not only cancel you'd swaped these

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Speaker 3: when Bob Montana's Archie Comics achieved multi platform cultural domination.

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Speaker 3: Not just content and their mastery over the print, the

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Speaker 1: It beat out songs by the Beatles, the Stones, the

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Speaker 3: That poor guy, we had him do it all kinds

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Speaker 3: There's a sneak case for this archie comics being like

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Speaker 1: I liked them because I thought that they had ties

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Speaker 1: all that. Yes, it's kind of my it's kind of

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Speaker 1: I hear him say Scooby Dooby Do. It's at that

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Speaker 3: Sucks to Frankie Valley should have been the only guy

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Speaker 1: We should see him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, why not?

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Speaker 4: Great Italian American.

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Speaker 3: Great Italian American. Ball about Rushmore? Yeah him, Bartis Scorsese,

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, there you go, all right, very good, we got.

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Speaker 3: Him, good, all right, good good.

436
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Speaker 1: Italian writer Matt Mario Puzo.

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Speaker 3: I think it's like Mario Pooso.

438
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's all right. So we got the dog,

439
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,199
Speaker 1: we got how he looks, we got the name. Now

440
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 1: we got to have his damn kids around them. The

441
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 1: animation team whittled down their initial concept from five to fourteens,

442
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 1: and they called them Jeff, Kelly, Linda and w W.

443
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 1: The most unwieldly series of initials, and they eventually became Ronnie, Daphne,

444
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: Velma and Shaggy getting Closer. And these took fairly explicit

445
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Speaker 1: inspiration from the aforementioned the many Loves of Dobie Gillis.

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Speaker 3: It really is wild when you see them, like like

447
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Speaker 3: especially Daphne, uh, just like the plaid skirt, sweater, look

448
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 3: like it's just it's today.

449
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Speaker 1: Well yeah, well, well Hanna Barbara would do that. They

450
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: did the Flintstones was was the honeymooner across the board?

451
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 1: Ronnie the handsome male lead on the show, I get

452
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Speaker 1: me call him that, right? Yeah? I was renamed Fred

453
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Speaker 1: in honor of Fred Silverman, the TV executive who soft

454
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Speaker 1: pitched them this idea. And so there you have the

455
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Speaker 1: human elements of the Mystery Mystery Team. What the hell

456
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Speaker 1: are they called the mystery brigade, Mystery Mystery squad?

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Speaker 4: No, mystery machine is the car?

458
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Speaker 1: What were they know?

459
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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 1: Collectively keep going?

461
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Speaker 3: What were they called the mystery scruping shotson?

462
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Speaker 1: Fred Silverman presented a pilot premise called at the time,

463
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Speaker 1: Who's Scared?

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Speaker 4: Several s's with dashes?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I should have said the scoop Staffel, because that's

466
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Speaker 3: what there.

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Speaker 1: Are two s's in that. Yeah, you're right, right hah

468
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Speaker 1: to CVS executives as the centerpiece for their upcoming nineteen

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Speaker 1: sixty nine and nineteen seventy Saturday Morning cartoon block, but

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Speaker 1: CBS executives felt that the presentation artwork was too frightening

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Speaker 1: for young viewers and thinking of the show would be

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Speaker 1: equally scary, decided to pass on it, which is surprising

473
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Speaker 1: when it was being presented by a fairly high ranking

474
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Speaker 1: executive at the network. But okay, without a centerpiece for

475
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Speaker 1: their Saturday morning cartoon lineup, Fred Silverman went back to

476
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Speaker 1: Joe Ruby and Ken Spears, the animation team, and they

477
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Speaker 1: retooled the pitch to focus more on the dog and

478
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Speaker 1: soft touching more of the scary elements, and then they

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Speaker 1: repitched it to the CVS executives, who approved it.

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Speaker 3: I read somewy that they took it like fifteen rounds,

481
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Speaker 3: and I'm not sure if that was not present not presentation,

482
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Speaker 3: but like drafts of the pilot script.

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Speaker 1: I mean this with all respect to everybody who Scooby

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Speaker 1: Doo seems like a first draft idea.

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Speaker 3: You don't really think it's a you don't really think

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Speaker 3: it stood up to fifteen rounds. Ever Rebreads. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I said this.

488
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Speaker 3: Pretts you do on your scripts.

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Speaker 1: It implies that I finished them. I said this before

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Speaker 1: we started taping. I don't think I've ever seen a

491
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Speaker 1: full episode of Scooby Doo. I've definitely never sat down

492
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Speaker 1: intentionally watched it. I yeah, this is this is sort

493
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Speaker 1: of a I mean agauess. One of things I love

494
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: doing the show is that it helps me find you,

495
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 1: found appreciation for things that I previously ignored. Last week

496
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 1: it was you with Billy Joel, and this week we're

497
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: getting there with Scooby Doo for me.

498
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Speaker 3: Oh, we'll get it out of here.

499
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Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break, but we'll be

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Speaker 1: right back with more too much information in just a.

501
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Speaker 3: Moment, onto the non canine parts of the show. Legendary

502
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 3: voice actor Frank Welker, one of the most famous voice

503
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Speaker 3: actors in the industry, with over eight hundred and fifty

504
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Speaker 3: acting credits on his IMDb page, Wow, received his first

505
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 3: ever cartoon acting voice acting gig. I think first ever

506
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 3: voice acting gig period. I think. He said he had

507
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 3: done commercials before this at twenty three years young, as

508
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 3: the ascot wearing Fred Jones.

509
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Speaker 1: I love how often you shout out the as Scott.

510
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 1: I love how much you hate the ascott.

511
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 3: It's extremely dumb. No one makes them look good. You

512
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 3: just immediately look like a sex pest.

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Speaker 1: Are you saying that because I recently shared a PROMP

514
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Speaker 1: photo of me and my friend both wearing ascots.

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Speaker 3: I'm not not saying it for that reason. You're reinforcing

516
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Speaker 3: my decision. I could barely read the copy and didn't

517
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 3: know which end of the mic was electrified, which explains

518
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Speaker 3: why shock therapy had no effect on me. Welker quipped

519
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 3: to Verbicide Magazine in two thousand and six, Joe Barbera

520
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 3: was fantastic and really gave me a chance. He would

521
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Speaker 3: give me the opportunity to read for all the characters,

522
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Speaker 3: not just Fredd, and that really opened things up for me.

523
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Speaker 3: Welker has voiced Fred in every Scooby series except for

524
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Speaker 3: a pup named Scooby Doo. Welker told Entertainment Weekly in

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Speaker 3: twenty eighteen that he didn't even want the role of Fred. Originally,

526
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Speaker 3: he was angling for the role of Shaggy because he

527
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 3: wanted to do more more comedic work, while Casey Kasem,

528
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Speaker 3: who was eventually cast as Shaggy, wanted the role of

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Speaker 3: Fred for the opposite reason he was tired of doing comedies.

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Speaker 3: In the same interview, Welker described the voice of Fred

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Speaker 3: as basically my voice plus about five cups of coffee.

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Speaker 3: Welker further recalled to USA Today that the advice he

533
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Speaker 3: got from Joseph Barbara was literally, just you know, you're

534
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Speaker 3: kind of the same age they are, not I think

535
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Speaker 3: Fred was supposed to be seventeen. Just do your own

536
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 3: voice and think Jack Armstrong, the all American boy. You're

537
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Speaker 3: the leader of the gang, and you got a driver's license.

538
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 3: That was pretty much it. That's all I took in

539
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 3: the sixties a different time. Fred and Daphne's constant breaking

540
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Speaker 3: off to search whatever they were environ they were investigating

541
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Speaker 3: as a couple wasn't so that the teams could indulge

542
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Speaker 3: in their normal hormonal urges, but rather because the writers

543
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Speaker 3: found them so dull that they broke them off as

544
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Speaker 3: much as they could to focus on the funny characters. Bizarrely,

545
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Speaker 3: in a twenty twelve read at Ama, Shaggy, actor Matthew

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Speaker 3: Lillard additionally revealed that the original cut of the two

547
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Speaker 3: thousand and two Scooby Doo live action film had Fred

548
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Speaker 3: revealed to be gay and say his love of the ascot,

549
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Speaker 3: and that Freddy Prince Junior had actually portrayed him as

550
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Speaker 3: such throughout the film. Lillard may have been screwing with everyone,

551
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Speaker 3: though Prince has said in interviews that he regrets doing

552
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Speaker 3: the Scooby Doo films, only elaborating there was just too

553
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 3: much bait and switch on the first one. The studio

554
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 3: was not honest with me in any way, shape or form.

555
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 3: Was he referring to pay or the decision to straight

556
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Speaker 3: wash Fred perhaps won't ever know.

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Speaker 1: I think I remember hearing that the live action Scooby

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Speaker 1: Doo from two thousand and two was meant to be

559
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Speaker 1: more winky and like a parody, kind of like the

560
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Speaker 1: Brady Bunch movies were in the nineties, and then they

561
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Speaker 1: ended up just playing it straight when they released it

562
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Speaker 1: in the final cut, in the literal and euphemistic sense.

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Speaker 3: It took until nineteen ninety seven, though, for the Fred

564
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 3: to nod at Fred and Depney being a couple, and

565
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 3: it didn't even happen in their own series. It happened

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Speaker 3: on the show's crossover with Johnny Bravo Bravo doob Doo

567
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Speaker 3: in July of nineteen ninety seven. Other team ups have

568
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Speaker 3: included with Batman, The Adams Family, the long running WB

569
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Speaker 3: series Supernatural, The Band's Kiss, and multiple projects involving the

570
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Speaker 3: World Wrestling Federation and Then Entertainment, the last of which

571
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Speaker 3: I cannot find any justification or explanation of this is

572
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Speaker 3: actually the second time I've gone down this rabbit hole,

573
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Speaker 3: because I remember seeing it was like the WWE and

574
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Speaker 3: Scooby Doo like the Gang solves the Ministery at WrestleMania,

575
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Speaker 3: and I tried to get more info about it, and

576
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Speaker 3: I could not. Even the original announcement on the WWE's

577
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 3: page goes to a deadlink. So, but it happened twice,

578
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Speaker 3: there's two of them.

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Speaker 1: Well, didn't the Flintstones have some kind of connection to

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Speaker 1: the WWE, So maybe there's some kind of hand of

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Speaker 1: Barbara WWE crossover thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, I didn't know the Flintstones crossed over one point.

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Speaker 3: That's yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think it might have been like a bam bam thing.

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Speaker 1: I yeah, I'm not sure. That's weird.

586
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Speaker 4: What's even weirderh Igill tell us bonus.

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00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 3: Fun fact on the nineteen seventy two episode Wednesday is

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Speaker 3: missing a pre taxi driver. Jody Foster supplied the voice

589
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Speaker 3: of Pugsley Adams Cademy Award winning Jody Foster with an

590
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 3: early role as the boring teenage son of the Adams family.

591
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Speaker 1: Is that funnier? Less funny? Or equally funny as Billy

592
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: Joel's pre fame heavy metal band Attila.

593
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 3: Oh it's much less funny, okay. The show's various iterations

594
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 3: have since expanded on these rather thin initial character sketches.

595
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 3: For example, Daphne was eventually revealed to have come from

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Speaker 3: a rich and privileged background. Although her family money funds Mystery, Inc.

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00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 3: She forsook the trappings of her family and dynasty to

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Speaker 3: fort turea path that's placing her on the same disadvantage

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Speaker 3: financial ground as the rest of the game.

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Speaker 1: So she's basically the Mystery Gang's Patty Hurst.

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Speaker 3: That's great, okay. That is the only interesting thing I

602
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 3: could learn about Daphne. She was referred to unofficially as

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00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 3: Daphne in Distress for a long time because of her

604
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Speaker 3: being basically the person that would fall into a trap

605
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Speaker 3: or get spooked or kidnapped. But I guess she knows

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Speaker 3: martial arts.

607
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: Now.

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00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 3: They tried. They threw, you know, second wave feminism a bone.

609
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 3: That's the thing with all the timelines of this show,

610
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,239
Speaker 3: there's like seven different timelines of reboots and things, and

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Speaker 3: I guess in some of them, Daphne has become a badass.

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Speaker 1: The core Scooby cast assembled in the recording booth, where

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Speaker 1: they were encouraged to add lib and play off each other,

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Speaker 1: even taking turns voicing different villains from week to week.

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Speaker 1: I like that in the Latin two, and they had

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Speaker 1: the whole whole cast and a big room together to record,

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Speaker 1: which is.

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Speaker 3: Pretty rare, pretty rare.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think the only other ones that do it are

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Speaker 3: Simpsons in Futurama.

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Speaker 1: Right right, right. Welker, who voiced Fred, recalled that two

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Speaker 1: of Velma's iconic catchphrases came from these sort of quasi

624
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: collaborative vocal recording sessions. Velma, he said, who was portrayed

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Speaker 1: by Nicole Jaffe back in the early days, was the

626
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Speaker 1: one who said jinkies. Then the cast started trying to

627
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: do our own little things. Mine was hold the phone.

628
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: Could have gone better there, but not great, Welker, I

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Speaker 1: could try harder on that one. Meanwhile, Velma's famous line

630
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Speaker 1: my glasses, I can't see without them wasn't.

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Speaker 4: A line in the script for Velma.

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Speaker 1: Originally. It was actually something that was said for real

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Speaker 1: by voice actress Nicole Jaffe at the very first table reading,

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Speaker 1: and the writers thought that it was cute and fit

635
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Speaker 1: the character, so they kept the Lime and Nicole Jaffe,

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Speaker 1: the voice of Velma, had them playing Peppermint Patty in

637
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: You're a Good Man Charlie Brown before being cast as Velma.

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Speaker 3: As you put it, yes, she portrayed two of the

639
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 3: most closeted lesbians in television history cartoon history.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, huh, that's that's interesting. But she apparently was not

641
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: happy with getting cast in this deathless enduring cartoon franchise.

642
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: In a twenty eleven interview, she said she was hoping

643
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Speaker 1: to become a Daniel day Lewis esque actor, and she

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Speaker 1: found voice acting. Yeah, kind of silly quote. It was

645
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: like getting on a soap opera when you wanted to

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Speaker 1: be in a Scorsese film. I don't know what voice

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Speaker 1: people are like today, but in those days I thought

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Speaker 1: they were kind of weird. I've heard that. I remember

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Speaker 1: that came up during the Rudolph the Red Noose Reindeer episode.

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Speaker 1: We did too that back then. I think now voice

651
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Speaker 1: acting has a much better reputation.

652
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Robin Williams who legitimized it basically, Yeah, and Gully

653
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 3: and Aladdin, But yeah, they were. It was a weird,

654
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Speaker 3: sort of ghetto for a long time.

655
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Speaker 1: She continued, somebody of forty was playing somebody of twenty,

656
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 1: somebody was playing a dog.

657
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Speaker 3: But when you break it down.

658
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Speaker 1: Here, yeah.

659
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Speaker 4: Fun.

660
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Speaker 1: In the same interview, she mentions Lauren Hill at one

661
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Speaker 1: point somehow meeting her at a I can't even begin

662
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: to imagine how they would have crossed paths. But apparently

663
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 1: Lauren Hill was a big fan of Scooby Doo. So

664
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Speaker 1: that's that's cool.

665
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 3: I just love that. Yeah.

666
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Speaker 1: Do you think that Lauren Hill went to like some

667
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Speaker 1: kind of like cartoons, like comic con convention.

668
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Speaker 3: I like to think so. I can't imagine. I can't

669
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Speaker 3: imagine that's what that's going to be.

670
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Speaker 1: I almost could. It's just weird enough.

671
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.

672
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: Velma's look was another direct rip from the Many Loves

673
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Speaker 1: of Dobie Gillis TV show from the fifties. There was

674
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Speaker 1: a character on Dobie Gillis called Zelda Gilroy, and she

675
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: was frequently shown wearing sweaters and plaid skirts, and she

676
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: was kind of a nerd. The most interesting thing about

677
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Speaker 1: Velma to you is the long standing coding of her

678
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 1: character as a lesbian. Fred and Daphne had each other,

679
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: as did Scooby and Shaggy. Now, by that logic, Scooby

680
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: and Shaggy, you get your mind.

681
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 3: Out of the gut cow, all right.

682
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: Velma, according to Matt Lipp, who runs the Scooby Doo

683
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: History account on Twitter, Velma quote has never really had

684
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Speaker 1: a main love interest, he continues, to The New York Times,

685
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: she had occasional flirtations and brief relationships, notably with Johnny

686
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: Bravo and a nineteen ninety crossover, but even when the

687
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Speaker 1: writers attempted to pair her up with Shaggy at one point,

688
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: Lipp continued, it's something that doesn't feel natural for them both.

689
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Speaker 4: This guy is really humanizing these cartoon characters.

690
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 3: Hey, that's what you gotta do. James Gunn, the Guardians

691
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 3: of the Galaxy Autur now running the DC Cinematic Universe,

692
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 3: co wrote the Big two thousand and two live action

693
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 3: Scooby Doo film and originally turned into version that got

694
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Speaker 3: an R from the MPAA. In twenty twenty, he tweeted

695
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Speaker 3: that Velma was explicitly gay in my initial script, but

696
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 3: the studio just kept watering it down and watering it down,

697
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 3: becoming ambiguous for the version shot. Then nothing least version

698
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 3: and finally having a boyfriend. The sequel, the original film's director,

699
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 3: Raja Gosnell said that further retooling and cutting was necessary

700
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Speaker 3: to get the script down to a PG for a

701
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Speaker 3: PG thirteen, explaining that some of the things that they

702
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Speaker 3: had to lose were some winks to Velma's sexual orientation

703
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 3: and more pot jokes. The studio Gospel continued to e

704
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 3: wanted to sell the movie to what the current demographic

705
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 3: of Scooby Doo was, and that was young kids and parents.

706
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 3: A test screening in conservative Scottsdale, Arizona didn't play well

707
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 3: at all, he said, and that started the first scramble

708
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Speaker 3: to take out all of the Isbelma gay references. We

709
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 3: just had to do our best to protect the movie

710
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 3: and make the best movie we could under newer guidelines, ma'am.

711
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 3: And this is funny to me that there was a

712
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Speaker 3: scene actually in the film that was shot but cut

713
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Speaker 3: in which Daphne played by Sarah Michelle Geller, and Velma

714
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Speaker 3: Linda Carlini kiss, which must have fulfilled a lot of

715
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Speaker 3: long standing fantasies held by some of the creatives on

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Speaker 3: this project. Sarah Michelle Geller, though, were called to sci

717
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Speaker 3: fi Wire that it was actually a plot device. It

718
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 3: wasn't just like for fun. Initially, in the soul swapping scene,

719
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,919
Speaker 3: Velma and Daphne couldn't seem to get their souls back

720
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Speaker 3: together in the woods, and so the way that they

721
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Speaker 3: found was to kiss, and the souls went back into

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Speaker 3: proper alignment, to which I say, sure, Jan, I.

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Speaker 4: Have a question for you. He do you get your

724
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 4: soul in alignment.

725
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 3: Drinking avant garde jazz?

726
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 4: For me, it's abba.

727
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. All that said, Velma did finally get her queer moment,

728
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 3: albeit one revealed retroactively. In twenty twenty, Tony Servone, the

729
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 3: co creator Scooby Doo Mystery Incorporated, a twenty ten series

730
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Speaker 3: on Cartoon Network, posted an image on Instagram of Velma

731
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Speaker 3: standing in front of a Pride flag, writing, we made

732
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,439
Speaker 3: our intentions as clear as we could ten years ago.

733
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Speaker 3: Most of our fans got it. To those that didn't,

734
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Speaker 3: I suggest you look closer. Responding to a fan of

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Speaker 3: the comments, he said, specifically, Velma in Mystery Incorporated is

736
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Speaker 3: not by she's gay, So at least one timeline definited.

737
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Speaker 3: Lee got Vilma somewhat out of the closet.

738
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Speaker 1: Anyway, Scooby Doo premiered the Year of Stonewell, like probably

739
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: I think three months after the Small Riots. So those

740
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Speaker 1: are the human members of the gang. Now we got

741
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: to talk about Scooby Doo. The voices for Scooby Doo

742
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 1: and the much maligned Scrappy Doo are all done by

743
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: one man named Don Messick. Now Mesic is something of

744
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 1: a Saturday cartoon icon. Aside from the aforementioned Doues Messrs

745
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 1: Do and Do, he voiced Bam Bam, Rubble and the Flintstones,

746
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: Astro and the Jetsons, Boo Boo Bear and Ranger Smith

747
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: and the Yogi Bear Show, Sebastian the Cat and Josie

748
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,280
Speaker 1: and the Pussycats, Gears, Ratchet and Scavenger and the Transformers,

749
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: Papa Smurf and Azerrol as a Reel Azarel in the Smurfs,

750
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: and Doctor Benton Quest in Johnny Quest. So he gets

751
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: stuck with all the like annoying characters. He's like the

752
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: gist that I'm getting that's.

753
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 3: Looking at it.

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00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: Yes. He also voiced a few characters in the first

755
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Speaker 1: animated adaptation of The Hobbit I Rank in Bass in

756
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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy seven. Shortly before his death, he claimed that

757
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: giving up smoking had robbed him of the rasp in

758
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: his voice that he needed to voice Scooby Tragic. Scooby's

759
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: speech disorder, which really boils down to his excessive use

760
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: of the letter R, is called rodicism. I'm told, I'm

761
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Speaker 1: now being told, hear I have it in. I'm breaking,

762
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: I'm getting something in my ear. Scooby's speech disorder is

763
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Speaker 1: called has a name, according to speech pathologist, according to

764
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Speaker 1: speech methol, according to somebody who could probably help me,

765
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Speaker 1: say speech pathologist, doctor Stephen Long was referred to quote Stevie's.

766
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Speaker 3: We're Suffering.

767
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Speaker 1: I would refer to Scooby's disorder as phonological as opposed

768
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Speaker 1: to a phonetic disorder, and that he shows a pattern

769
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: of substituting and adding sounds in his speech, rather than

770
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Speaker 1: just distorting sounds. Scooby's error pattern doesn't have a specific name,

771
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: at least, it's not one that we commonly use in

772
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: clinical practice.

773
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,720
Speaker 4: Messick, the voice of Scooby Doo.

774
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 1: Told the Asbury Park Press that there was an interesting

775
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: genesis to his rhodic pattern. Astro from the Jetsons preceded

776
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: Scooby Doo Messick said, I had to come up with

777
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: what I call growl talk. Joseph Barbara liked things starting

778
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: with RS for the dogs especially. He got that from

779
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: watching Sooopy Sales, who was a kids show host. Sales

780
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: had an off screen dog. All you would see was

781
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: the Paul and he would talk with our talk. So

782
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: Joe Joseph Barbara decided that Astro should have that kind

783
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: of attitude. But then along came Scooby Doo, my favorite voice.

784
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: So then when we were doing later Jetson's episodes, I

785
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: had to pitch Astro a little bit higher because Scooby

786
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: had the growl talk, though his was more of a

787
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:48,919
Speaker 1: barrel chested thing.

788
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Speaker 4: I appreciate the thought that went into this voice.

789
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 3: I just got distracted with becoming adjusting my life goals

790
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 3: to becoming the first ever person diagnosed with scoob be

791
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 3: speech disorder, like convincing everyone that it just happened to

792
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 3: me one day, and then like faking that you'd never

793
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 3: I don't even know what Scooby do is. I've never

794
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 3: seen an episode. I just I've never ever even read

795
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 3: an eperthro Rush start rocking like rish run day.

796
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Speaker 1: No, No, here's the movie it's yesterday, but with Scooby Doo.

797
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: Instead of the Beatles never existed. Scooby Do's never existed.

798
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: And then you just start talking like that and you

799
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: become famous for some reason. Oh sure, yeah, it's one

800
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Speaker 1: and the same. In twenty twenty four, this brings us

801
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: to Scubert. Ken Spears, one of the animators on the show, said, Scubert,

802
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: which is Scooby's Christian name, the name on Scooby's birth

803
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: certificate dogs at birth certificate. It's right, Scubert wasn't our doing.

804
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 1: It's talking to Scooby addicts dot com. We don't know

805
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: who came up with that. We wouldn't have. Co creator

806
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: and writer Joe Ruby immediately said after him, neither was

807
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: Scrappy Doo. We didn't like him either. I don't know

808
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: much about Scrappy did. I guess what we're gonna hear

809
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:07,879
Speaker 1: more about scrappy Do later.

810
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 3: He's divisive. He's basically like if you picked like an

811
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 3: annoying He's sort of like the Great Gazoo in that

812
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 3: he's like, uh, it's like a late stage addition to

813
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 3: try and sort of save the ratings and everything.

814
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: But he's cousin Oliver.

815
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's like so brash and annoying and brave

816
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 3: that it just throughout the whole dynamic. It's just obnonxious. Meanwhile,

817
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 3: another fun Scooby fact, the dog is positive as being

818
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 3: seven years old, which is kind of depressed and considering

819
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 3: that the average lifespan of Great Danes is eight to

820
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,280
Speaker 3: ten years old, meaning that Scooby is spending his waning

821
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,720
Speaker 3: years hanging out with a bunch of teenagers being scared

822
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 3: out of his wits. Fred and Jaggy are supposedly seventeen,

823
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 3: Daphnie is sixteen, and Vilma is fifteen?

824
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: Did I send you that? On the other show I'm

825
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: working on the Paul and ka talk show, we interviewed

826
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: the singer Tony Orlando, and Tony Orlando and Paul Anka

827
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 1: were tight with the wrap pack and they knew Dean Martin.

828
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: Did I send you this clip?

829
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 5: Oh?

830
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 3: Yes, they did about how Dean Martin was like just

831
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 3: what they would see him in a restaurant. He would

832
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 3: just be like I'm waiting to die.

833
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, you go, they go to Dean Martin at these

834
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: these little Italian places in Hollywood, and you need to

835
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: be sitting there by himself toward the end of his life.

836
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: Hey Dean, how you doing? Just waiting to die? Pally

837
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: waiting to die?

838
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 4: So that's that's where Scooby was at.

839
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.

840
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: That's that was the tie in.

841
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Speaker 3: And now, friends, we must move on to the true

842
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 3: reason of this episode. Casey Kase has Norville Rogers aka Shaggy.

843
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,240
Speaker 1: That's the name that sounds like he came from money.

844
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, right. As mentioned, Shaggy was a very explicit rip

845
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 3: off of the pet Nick parody Maner G. Crebs in

846
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 3: The Many Lives Adobe Gillis and Shaggy also has mentioned,

847
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 3: was not the role that Kasum won it when he

848
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 3: auditioned for the show. When I auditioned for Shaggy, they

849
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 3: should be a picture, so I knew he was supposed

850
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 3: to be a hippie case I'm told cartoon research, I

851
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 3: combined two voices, sort of an attitude of Dave Hull,

852
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 3: who is disc jockey on KRLA, or the actor who

853
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 3: played on our Miss Brooks, Richard Krenna, whose character spoke

854
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 3: in a high, squeaky voice and was always very breathy.

855
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 3: It may shock some of you to know, as I do.

856
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 3: Richard Krenna, who I am most aware of because he

857
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 3: was Rambo's handler in the Rambo movies. Was once on

858
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 3: a dumb sitcom and talked like this, I've just finished

859
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 3: another article about you with the Madison Monitor. You see

860
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 3: My Favorite Teacher.

861
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: By Walter Denton. It's very complimentary. Yes, I can imagine

862
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: your last article.

863
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 5: About me was complimentary to the point of embarrassment. I

864
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 5: wish you wouldn't print that wall.

865
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 6: Hear me, it don't be so modest.

866
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: I'll look at the notice I attack on the bulletin board.

867
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 3: Tell Jerry Lewis, Richard krennaman Friggin' Colonel Troutman depressing. Case

868
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 3: did admit that certain parts of the character came pre envisioned.

869
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 3: They gave me the word zoincs and having him say like,

870
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 3: I guess because of the hippie aspect. I did come

871
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 3: up with the scoob old buddy of mine, old pal thing,

872
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 3: but I have never used the word zoincs ever in

873
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 3: my everyday conversation. I like, I'm like, I'm suddenly defaulting

874
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 3: to like a very low and gravitas voice for Casey Kasem,

875
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 3: despite the fact that we all know he sounds like

876
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:27,240
Speaker 3: a gravelly voiced elf total aside. But Joseph Barbara seems

877
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 3: like kind of a dumbass. He dispassionately broke down the

878
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 3: dynamic between Shaggy and Scoomy and interview with the Television Academy, saying,

879
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 3: Scooby would eat anything anywhere at any time. Shaggy would

880
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 3: eat anything anywhere anytime. So you had this competition between

881
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 3: them as far as eating. They would eat waxed fruit

882
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 3: off the table. Those two guys, You know, that became

883
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 3: a funny gimmick that the kids must have liked and bought.

884
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 3: Otherwise we wouldn't be going today, just like the stupidest

885
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 3: possible boiling out of that relationship.

886
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: Do you think he hates the show like you know?

887
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,760
Speaker 3: I think he's just I think he's a dumb ass,

888
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 3: because listen to his pit.

889
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 5: Give an example of what I'm if I ever can

890
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 5: get to it, I want to do. Scooby Doo goes

891
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 5: to the Woodstock and he ended the gang are going

892
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 5: up in this little van and there they're a group.

893
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 5: Now they have instruments, and they arrive at Woodstock and

894
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 5: there's nobody there, just this dark, empty feel, and then

895
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 5: the zombie show up. I'm sorry, I forgot the zombie

896
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 5: would sick. They go to the woodside, not knowing its

897
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 5: a zombie would stock and the zombies show up. They're

898
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 5: doing this, you know, the whole bunch, and then one

899
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 5: arm falls off or whatever is necessary, and then they

900
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 5: won't let them go. They wanted to keep playing and

901
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 5: they got to out trick them somehow or so it's

902
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 5: a perfect vehicle for them, especially with Scooby jumping in

903
00:47:59,400 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 5: his arms.

904
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 1: They get there, there's nobody there and there's zombies.

905
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 3: And zombies are saying, you know whatever it is. Zombies

906
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 3: say like, oh, trying to grab them because and then

907
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 3: they go to leave after they played their son. Zombies

908
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 3: don't want them to leave. It's just like a drunk

909
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,760
Speaker 3: guy like Pitchese. I love it, Joseph Barbara very funny.

910
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 3: Jordan tells about Casey Kasem.

911
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: Casey Ason wound up voicing Shaggy from nineteen sixty eight

912
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: to nineteen ninety non stop. And in the seventies, Casey

913
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: Caason became a vegetarian and by the eighties he refused

914
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: to do any commercials for clients that sold meat, fish, poultry,

915
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: or dairy products.

916
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,280
Speaker 4: So wow, he sounds like more of a vegan. It's hardcore.

917
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 1: As Caseon remembered a Hanna Barbera, I asked the director

918
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: at the time, it would be possible to quietly make

919
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 1: Shaggy and Scooby vegetarians in the series She goes with

920
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,919
Speaker 1: Ahollle Hippie Thing. The director of the shows at the time,

921
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 1: Gordon Hunt, Helen Hunt's father. Helen Hunt's father directed Scooby

922
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: Doo for a time. I'd sure, Casey, we can do that.

923
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: So when Scuoby and Shaggy had a pizza instead of pepperoni,

924
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 1: they would put vegetables on it. Instead of a hamburger,

925
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: they would have an elaborate peanut, butter and jelly sandwich.

926
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 1: The only time Casey Kaseum didn't provide Shaggy's voice during

927
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: this time period was for a couple of Burgerkan commercials.

928
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: I said, I couldn't do it. It was against my

929
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: conscience to promote something that I myself wouldn't eat. So

930
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: I told Hannah Barbera, I couldn't do it. They were

931
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: willing to understand after playing Shaggy for those three hundred

932
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: shows in a couple of movies that I turned them

933
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,879
Speaker 1: down on one commercial. This was you say nineteen ninety five,

934
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 1: and Casem did indeed sit the roll out until two

935
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: thousand and two.

936
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 5: Uh.

937
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 1: Casum apparently at least officially said that he was unaware

938
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: of one of the most universally picked up on aspects

939
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: of the character. Asked by Newsweek in two thousand and

940
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: two if he was aware of the subtext that Shaggy

941
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: was a major stoner, Casum responded, there wasn't anything like

942
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: that at all, and quote, we never even thought of it.

943
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: He added that he never observed anything of his colleagues

944
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: making a joke about Shaggy smoking marijuana, explaining, I guess

945
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: it's because I don't know. It was a wholesome show

946
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 1: from beginning to end.

947
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 3: I tried to find that original interview so hard and

948
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 3: couldn't much at all I have is in Yeah, I

949
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 3: couldn't find the original Newsweek, so I just have to

950
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 3: take a bunch of other sites word for it. But

951
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 3: it can some. Being the guy who asked Casey Casem

952
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 3: if he picked up on the fact that one of

953
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 3: his most durable creations was a pothead and him just

954
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 3: being like straight to your face, like no.

955
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 1: According to Casey Caysm, he said he wasn't even aware

956
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: of this until the interviewer brought it.

957
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 3: Up to him, which is high Laurius.

958
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta think he's making that.

959
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 3: Up and putting the guy on. Yeah, I hope so.

960
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 4: Yeah.

961
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: But Kasem, who if one very famous on air freak out,

962
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: is any indication I would assume had something of an

963
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: ego doing it? Oh? Yeah, they have, like a he

964
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 1: took a letter about like somebody who was like planning

965
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: for a funeral or something, and then they like played

966
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 1: some like really uptempo song afterwards, and he melted it down.

967
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 6: Oh, we're up to our long distance dedication and this

968
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 6: one is about kids and pets and the situation that

969
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 6: we can all understand whether we have kids or pets

970
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 6: or neither. It's from a man in Cincinnati, Ohio, and

971
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 6: here's what he writes, Dear Casey, this may seem to

972
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 6: be a strange dedication request, but I'm quite sincere and

973
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 6: it'll need a.

974
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 3: Lot if you play it.

975
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: Recently, there was a death in our family.

976
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 6: He was a little dog named Snuggles, but he was

977
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 6: most certainly a part of Let's go start again. I'm

978
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,879
Speaker 6: coming out of the record. Play the record, Okay, see

979
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 6: when you come out of those uptemple damn numbers. Man,

980
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 6: it's impossible to make those transitions, and then you got

981
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 6: to go into somebody dying. You know, they do this

982
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 6: to me all the time. I don't know what the

983
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 6: hell they do it for, but damn it, if we

984
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 6: can't come out of a slow record, I don't understand.

985
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 6: And I want a damn concerted effort to come out

986
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 6: of a record that isn't a fucking up tempo record.

987
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 6: Every time I do a damn.

988
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 7: Depth dedication, it's a god last damn time. I want

989
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 7: somebody to use a brain to not come out of

990
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 7: a damn record that is uh, that's uptempo. And I

991
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 7: gotta talk about a dog dying.

992
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 4: I enjoy that.

993
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 3: It's so funny because his voice is so like robotic

994
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 3: and just smooth and modulated that when you hear it

995
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 3: break containment and start delivering profanities, it's like hearing like

996
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 3: series starting person or something.

997
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty good. Guy's got power. Yeah, Casey gives him,

998
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: not somebody who wanted to mess with Guy. It's got

999
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,479
Speaker 1: kind of an ego, but he was aware that he

1000
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 1: his character, I should say, Shaggy was second banana to

1001
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: the dog, Scooby. He said, what was the star of

1002
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: the show. The Shaquillo o'neel of the show.

1003
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 3: Which is hilarious because depending on which phase of Shaquill

1004
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 3: O'Neil's career, it gets fun you're and funnier, like Shaquille

1005
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 3: O'Neil with the with the Orlando Magic, Shaquille O'Neil when

1006
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 3: he was arguably battling Kobe for a title of most

1007
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 3: Valuable Laker, or Shaquille O'Neal the Commentator era. Now it

1008
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 3: just gets funnier and funnier Shaquille and eel Becauzam.

1009
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's how I'm choosing to believe it.

1010
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 1: Yes, Kasem continued. People love animals more than they love people.

1011
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: Am I right or wrong? They give more love to

1012
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: their pets than they give to people.

1013
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 3: Maybe, and I should know it because I've killed many dogs.

1014
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: I'm Casey KAYSM. Scooby is vulnerable and lovable and not

1015
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: brave and very much like the kids who watch Oh

1016
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: that's a harsh truth, Casey, But like kids, he likes

1017
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 1: to think he's brave. Casey Cassum's view of the human

1018
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 1: condition is is is troubling. I am legally obligated to

1019
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:57,439
Speaker 1: mention the bizarre circumstances of Casey Kaysum's death, or rather

1020
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: his post death. When the beloved tal forty DJ died

1021
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen at the age of forty two, a

1022
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: fierce feud erupted between his adult children and his second wife,

1023
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: Geene Thompson, an actress who had a recurring part on

1024
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 1: the sitcom Cheers. Citing disagreements over the funeral arrangements and

1025
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: millions of dollars worth of life insurance benefits, Thompson had

1026
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:23,720
Speaker 1: Casem's remains transported from Washington State to Montreal and finally

1027
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: to Freggin' Norway, where he was ultimately buried in Oslo.

1028
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: For some reason that I don't fully understand. It's a

1029
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: great controversy more than six months after his death. It

1030
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 1: kept him on ice for six months and shipped them

1031
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:39,280
Speaker 1: all around God's Green Earth.

1032
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 3: Honey, I finally want to see Normay. I don't care

1033
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 3: how you get Beata.

1034
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 4: I want to be buried by the Fiords.

1035
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 3: The show also had a fairly insane roster of guest stars,

1036
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 3: including Sonny and cher In the Secret of Shark Island,

1037
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 3: which Cher had such a good time doing that she

1038
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 3: returned to the franchise in twenty twenty one.

1039
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: It's fifty years later, how good a times fat.

1040
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 3: You know, Sometimes sometimes actors take a long time to

1041
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 3: come back to their most favorite the roles that took

1042
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 3: the most out of them. Don Knotts joined The Scooby

1043
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 3: Gang for two adventures, playing a detective who looks exactly

1044
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 3: like Don Knots in Guess Who's Not Coming to Dinner

1045
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 3: and I guess you can take a wild guess at

1046
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 3: how that's spelled. And then he also returned for a

1047
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 3: fairly obvious writ of his Andy Griffith Show character in

1048
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 3: The Spooky Fog of Juneberry. Probably my favorite of these.

1049
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,280
Speaker 3: Mama Cass Elliott showed up in The Haunted Candy Factory.

1050
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 3: Not I mean she was in a Haunted Candid Factor,

1051
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 3: but the name of the episode was the Haunted Candy Factory.

1052
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 3: She owned the Haunted Candy Factory, which was the title

1053
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 3: of the show.

1054
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: I don't like, well, you give Mama Cass a candy

1055
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 1: factory owner.

1056
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 4: Oh, she just deserves better than that.

1057
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 3: Also, The Three Stooges appeared on two, nineteen seventy two,

1058
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 3: TV movies, while Laurel and Hardy long after their deaths,

1059
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 3: popped in for the season one episode Ghost of Bigfoot.

1060
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 3: Other notable guest stars included Dick Van Dyke, the Harlem Globetrotters,

1061
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 3: Country Shred guitarist Jerry Reid, and in more recent years,

1062
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 3: Steve Buscemi and Woopy Goldberg. Also or legend, Vincent Price

1063
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 3: got his own standalone movie, thirteen Ghosts of Scooby Doo

1064
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty five. Lastly, for this section, anyway, when

1065
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,320
Speaker 3: we arrive at the gang's faithful Steve and they're wreaking

1066
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 3: home away from Home, the Mystery Machine, the green Van

1067
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 3: was eventually given a history of its own in the

1068
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 3: fifth episode of the two thousand and two incarnation of

1069
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 3: the show on the WB What's New Scooby Doo, The

1070
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 3: previous owners of the band were revealed to have been

1071
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 3: a popular family band known as the Mystery Kids, with

1072
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 3: the van being plainted by Flash Flanagan, the band's pianist.

1073
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 3: In the episode, the van, currently owned by the actual

1074
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 3: Mystery Gang, seems to be possessed by Ghost until what

1075
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 3: else it is revealed to have been the machinations of

1076
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 3: the mother of the Mystery Kids sabotaging the van in

1077
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,240
Speaker 3: an attempt to bring the band back to fame. Anyway,

1078
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 3: as far as what kind of van the Mystery Machine

1079
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 3: could actually be, the fine folks at Autumnweek broke it

1080
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 3: down far better than people like you and I who

1081
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 3: don't actually know the right end of a dipstick could.

1082
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:11,800
Speaker 3: In the early run of Scooby Doo, Where Are You,

1083
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 3: the van was either a mid sixties Chevy G body

1084
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 3: panel van or Dodge A one hundred. Both of these

1085
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 3: look similar to the Mystery Machine and both have round headlights.

1086
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 3: The forwarda Cottle Line is also a model mentioned frequently

1087
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 3: by fans. It had round headlights, but a distinct housing

1088
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 3: to those headlights that disqualifies it. Yeah, that was.

1089
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: Always my assumption. That was a Ford Aconoline van. That

1090
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: was what my dad had in the early seventies, and

1091
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: he tricked it out by cutting a skylight in the

1092
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: roof and putting a bubble window on it, and he

1093
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: put shag carpeting all along the walls and ceiling and

1094
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: put a bed back there. And he called it Marrigold

1095
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: the Octopus. That was what he called his van. Because

1096
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: it was nineteen seventy three. I have so many unanswered questions, but.

1097
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 3: I don't think we're going to get there. No, yeah,

1098
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 3: it's probably prob best we don't. Maybe just keep that

1099
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 3: one for therapy. In the late nineties, Scooby Doo on

1100
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 3: Zombie Island, a director video feature film, the van looks

1101
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 3: more like a minivan, perhaps a Chevy Astro or a

1102
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 3: GMC Safari, and it's painted as a news van for

1103
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 3: Daphney Blake's fictional show Coast to Coast with Daphney Blake.

1104
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 3: Fred is her producer. In two thousand and eights directed

1105
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 3: DVD animated movie Scooby Dooo and the Goblin King, the

1106
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 3: Mystery Machine is turned into a monster called the Monstrous Machine,

1107
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 3: so there you have it. In two thousand and two,

1108
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 3: for the live action movie, the Mystery Machine is portrayed

1109
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 3: as a nineteen seventy two Bedford CF. Bedford was a

1110
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 3: brand manufactured by Vauxhall. It's never mentioned how an allegedly

1111
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 3: seventeen year old teen would have gotten his hands on

1112
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 3: an imported van, but Bred and Daphne do travel to

1113
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 3: Australia in the aforementioned Coast to Coast with Daphney Blake

1114
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 3: so maybe the Bedford is a nod to that particular continuity. Now, obviously,

1115
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 3: there have been many fan made versions of the Mystery

1116
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 3: Machine throughout the years, but perhaps the most famous one

1117
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 3: may have been driven by fifty one year old Sharon Turman,

1118
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 3: who led police on a chase in twenty sixteen while

1119
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 3: high on math driving amnivan styled just like the Mystery Machine.

1120
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 3: She was sentenced to over two years in prison.

1121
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: Ma'am, I'm sorry. This man is just too cool to

1122
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: be sweet legal. I'm so sorry. I have not heard that,

1123
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: and that's very much seems like something I would have

1124
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: heard of.

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00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 4: That's incredible.

1126
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 3: I'm sure she's. If she's not, she won't be the last.

1127
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: I'll just say, yeah, to lead police on a high

1128
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: speed chase in a mystery machine? Yeah, no, I mean

1129
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: trust me, no one else will. I will. That's how

1130
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: I'm going up.

1131
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 3: As you meditate on that, we'll be right back with

1132
00:59:44,960 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 3: more too much information after these messages.

1133
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: Now, we're going to a section we like to call

1134
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 1: Scooby Doo.

1135
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 4: Be sound interesting.

1136
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: Historical note, Scooby Doo was actually the first Saturday Morning

1137
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 1: cartoon to feature a laugh track. To make sure television

1138
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: audiences laughed at the you know in quotes right moments

1139
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 1: and did some proper levels and volumes. TV producers in

1140
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: the fifties started substituting their own canned laughter using a

1141
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 1: laughing machine invented by Charles Douglas that came to be

1142
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 1: called the laugh box laugh with two f's. This is

1143
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: shocking to me because I assumed it was just something

1144
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,479
Speaker 1: that they just dubbed it in posts and really wasn't

1145
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: that complex. But it was a literal machine. Well, the

1146
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: Flintstones also used the laugh track. Scooby Doo holds the

1147
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 1: distinction of being the first Saturday Morning cartoon to harness

1148
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 1: the canned laughter. Hy'll tell us about the laugh box,

1149
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 1: not to be confused with Peter Frampton's squawkbox.

1150
01:00:56,440 --> 01:01:01,959
Speaker 3: Ha ha ha ha that's a talk box. Oh yeah, wrong, awk.

1151
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 3: The history of the laugh box is amazing. Charles Douglas

1152
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 3: had a team of certified laugh boys and you bet it,

1153
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 3: you bet your bottom dollar, buddy. Laugh Boys is spelled

1154
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 3: with two f's.

1155
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 1: Are we the laugh boys?

1156
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 3: Yes, yes we are. Uh the They were certified texts

1157
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 3: who were allowed to operate the laugh Box in his

1158
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 3: absence allowed Well, Douglas had this thing, had the laugh

1159
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 3: game laugh track game on lock throughout the seventies, and

1160
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 3: he basically took this thing and it was over two

1161
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 3: feet tall in an exterior box, occurred with padlocks, and

1162
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 3: one of the descriptions that I read operated like an organ.

1163
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 3: I don't quite know what that means, but basically Douglas

1164
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 3: would roll this thing into you know, studio, and the

1165
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 3: producers would say, okay, we need a subdued laughter there,

1166
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 3: we need the quiet tittering there, and Douglas would go

1167
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 3: to work on it in private to guard his techniques

1168
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 3: and technology.

1169
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 1: It's like the Wizard of Oz.

1170
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, only his immediate family who would inside the inside

1171
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 3: of the machine looked like and it was referred to

1172
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 3: one point as allegedly the most sought after but well

1173
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 3: concealed box in the world never find Yeah, I guess.

1174
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 3: So my guess is that this thing, when they say

1175
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 3: it operates like an organ, it's just triggering different tapes

1176
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 3: that he would combine. Yeah, like a mellow Yeah essentially. Anyway,

1177
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 3: one of these was discovered and put on Antique's roadshow.

1178
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 3: At one point they said you can probably get around

1179
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 3: ten grand for it, So those your belongs in a

1180
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 3: museum segment for this episode.

1181
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 1: There's an episode of the dakoder Ring podcast. There's a

1182
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: whole half hour episode about this machine. Wow. Yeah, I

1183
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:02,919
Speaker 1: want to check this out later. This is really wild looking. Yeah,

1184
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 1: and I remember I think it was I think it

1185
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 1: was Andy Kaufman or somebody who pointed out that part

1186
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 1: of their hatred of laugh tracks, in addition to it

1187
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,919
Speaker 1: just being an authentic was that the voices that you're

1188
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 1: hearing were recorded many, many, many decades ago, and that

1189
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 1: they were just all dead by that point, which added

1190
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 1: a whole other level of creepiness to the mechanical laughter.

1191
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 3: I think I read that Chuck Plank book.

1192
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 1: Oh maybe that was it, which.

1193
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 3: Is sort of the most normy ault Dickhead to have

1194
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 3: been reading as a teen. Anyway. As for the non

1195
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 3: dialogue sounds of Scooby Doo, as you might have guessed

1196
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 3: for the show originally pitched as a rip off of

1197
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 3: the Archiees, there were a number of musical considerations that

1198
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 3: went into the Gang's adventures. The original theme song for

1199
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 3: the show wasn't even the one that people are familiar

1200
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 3: with today. Scooby Doo, wherever you got some learning to do,

1201
01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 3: or Now. It was basically sounded like the Monster's theme ah.

1202
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 1: Which then got sampled by Fallout Boy and Uma Thurman.

1203
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 8: Yeah Scooby Dell, where are you?

1204
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 3: However, this version, the instrumental version, only appeared in the

1205
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 3: first two episodes because the network thought that it was

1206
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 3: too spooky for children, so this was replaced by a

1207
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 3: more kid friendly theme now. This is an example of

1208
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 3: the insane timelines that this used to operate under the

1209
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 3: original version. That song is almost lost to history because

1210
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 3: when the original show the original two seasons were remastered

1211
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 3: and re released in nineteen ninety eight for home media,

1212
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 3: they used the second incarnature of the theme song for

1213
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 3: every episode, almost losing this first one for history. And

1214
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 3: that instrumental was written by a guy named Ted Nichols

1215
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 3: who worked at Hannah Barbera for nearly a decade contributed

1216
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 3: to a ton of the company shows. Just a fun

1217
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 3: note about him, He used to sing in a barbershop

1218
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 3: style Dapper Dan quartet at Disneyland, and he got his

1219
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 3: gig at Hannah Barbera when a member of the church

1220
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 3: choir who was musical director of introduced him to him.

1221
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 1: The show's more familiar theme song, the one you so

1222
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 1: indelibly sang a moment ago I was written by David

1223
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 1: Mook and Ben Raleigh. Raleigh seems to be the more

1224
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 1: famous of the pair, having written hits like Wonderful, Wonderful

1225
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 1: for Johnny Mathis, tell Laura I love her. You know,

1226
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: one of those great classic teen death songs of that era,

1227
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 1: and similar you'd say, Drek, I say classics for Leslie Gore.

1228
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 1: According to Rosemarie Mook, David Mook's widow, he had done

1229
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 1: some work for Hannah Barbera before when they assigned him

1230
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 1: the role of a new theme song for Scooby Doo

1231
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 1: with Dan Raleigh. The two men met on a Tuesday

1232
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 1: and completed a new draft of the song in time

1233
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 1: for the episode that aired that Saturday. They met on

1234
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 1: a Tuesday, it was on the air on Saturday. It

1235
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 1: means they wrote it and recorded it, mixed it, mastered it,

1236
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 1: stuck it on the episode. That's insane, that is totally nuts.

1237
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 1: It was sung by a guy named Larry Marx. That's

1238
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 1: the voice who sings the famous Scooby Doo theme. Marx

1239
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 1: have been working for Lee Hazelwood. Of all people, who

1240
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:33,439
Speaker 1: was to me best known, I mean has a lot

1241
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 1: of great mid sixties production partnerships, but the most famous

1242
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 1: ones with Nancy Sinatra. Yeah, so so gold that's nuts

1243
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 1: to me and known for his three and a half

1244
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 1: octave voice. Larry Marx came in and knocked out the

1245
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 1: Scooby Doo theme on a Wednesday, the day after the

1246
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 1: two guys wrote it, and it was in place for

1247
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 1: the series in time for the third episode airing that Saturday.

1248
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 3: That is just nuts. Yeah, he had this three and

1249
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 3: a half after voice. Or he's saying male and female

1250
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 3: parts in falsetto just every part on.

1251
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 1: That track.

1252
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 3: Is wid and Jordan. Yes, this will interest you. Before

1253
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 3: the Manson murders, Mook's widow recalled David telling her that

1254
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:21,919
Speaker 3: Charles Manson had come into David's office pedaling demos he'd written. Yeah,

1255
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 3: she said in an interview, David looked at him and thought,

1256
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,880
Speaker 3: this is a very strange person. I've got to get

1257
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 3: him out of my office.

1258
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 1: They all say that I think he was much more

1259
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 1: connected to the sixties music industry than people won a

1260
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 1: lot on The only guy who admits that he was

1261
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 1: like really ingrained in the scene was Neil Young. Everybody

1262
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:42,160
Speaker 1: else tries to like whitewash him out of the picture.

1263
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 1: But he was. He was hanging out with a lot

1264
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 1: of I mean the beach boys, Brian Wilson, Dennis Wilson's

1265
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 1: the most famous. I think he was hanging out with

1266
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 1: some of the mamas on the papas.

1267
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 4: Like, no, Mason Manson was in the scene. But whatever.

1268
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 4: Scooby Doo guy.

1269
01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 1: Larry Mark's version of the of the Scooby Doo theme

1270
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 1: song was replaced by a newer version, a better version,

1271
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 1: a faster version, sung by George A. Roberson junior stage

1272
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 1: named Austin Roberts, who also sang some of the chase

1273
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 1: music in a second season of the show.

1274
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:16,720
Speaker 3: That's the music that kicks up when they're running in

1275
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 3: between the hallways and out of doors.

1276
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:24,760
Speaker 1: Can you do it? No, I'm such a Scooby Doo nube.

1277
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,720
Speaker 1: I'm not tall lo sure what it is like. I

1278
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:28,840
Speaker 1: can kind of approximate it.

1279
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 7: Though.

1280
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 1: Danny Jansen was the producer for the show's music at

1281
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 1: that point, and he was already an industry event. He'd

1282
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:37,799
Speaker 1: written Come On and Get Happy for the Partridge Family

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01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 1: and was involved in Josie and the Pussycats. Supposedly he

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01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 1: threatened to walk away from the latter because the network

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01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 1: was leary of one of the singers he wanted, Patrese Holloway,

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01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 1: who'd become the first ever African American woman to star

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Speaker 1: in a cartoon.

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Speaker 3: I just want to stress how cool this guy Danny

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01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 3: Jansen was. He threatened to walk away because they weren't

1290
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:00,719
Speaker 3: going to let a black woman onto it cartoon show.

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01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 3: And he produced Kurt Russell's nineteen seventy self title record,

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Speaker 3: What What.

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01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:10,680
Speaker 1: The What is Kurt Russell's records sound like? I Is

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01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 1: it like a I think yeah. I mean I've never

1295
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:15,720
Speaker 1: heard him saying I didn't know he's saying. I hope

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01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 1: it's like himing a guitar.

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Speaker 3: Baby Believe Me is one of the songs.

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Speaker 1: Oh so he's in his Disney phase. Okay, yeah, okay.

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01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 1: That's the craziest thing I've learned on this.

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01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:48,839
Speaker 3: I just love how the these industries were so connected.

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01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 3: I mean, that's the truly if there's any truly magical

1302
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 3: magic in LA it's that you can have. You know,

1303
01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:00,680
Speaker 3: a guy who made cartoon history by pushing for the

1304
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 3: first black representation on a cartoon show and working on

1305
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 3: something that was written by another guy who been pitched

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01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 3: by Nansen and sung by another guy who did guide

1307
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:16,640
Speaker 3: vocals for Kurt Russell's a What a wacky What a

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01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 3: Wacky town.

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Speaker 1: Now we're heading into a section that you call Scooby

1310
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 1: Doobie reception. Ken Spears, one of the producers of the show, said,

1311
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:26,639
Speaker 1: we were worried it wouldn't last but one season, much

1312
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 1: less than thirty eight years. It was up against the

1313
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:31,839
Speaker 1: Hardy Boys on NBC, and we thought we'd get clovered

1314
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 1: in the ratings. This did not happened. Nielsen Ratings reported

1315
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:39,679
Speaker 1: that as many as sixty five percent of Saturday morning

1316
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 1: audiences were tuned into CBS when Scooby doo was being broadcast.

1317
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 1: Insane market. Yeah, that's that's ridiculous. At the end of

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01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 1: the first season, the original voice of Daphney Stephanieanna Christofferson,

1319
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 1: which definitely seems like a made up name, retired and

1320
01:10:57,560 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 1: was replaced by Heather North.

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01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 4: Who voiced the character until nineteen ninety seven.

1322
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 1: The show was such a success that it stopped being

1323
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 1: a ripoff of The Archies and Dobie Gillis and became

1324
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 1: a trendsetter of its own. Hannah Barbera and its rivals

1325
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 1: produced a glot of animated programs that also starred teenage

1326
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 1: detectives solving mysteries with a pet or mascot. These shows

1327
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:21,719
Speaker 1: included Josie and the Pussycats, The Funky Phantom, The Amazing

1328
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:25,520
Speaker 1: Chan Chan and the Chan Clan, Goober and the Ghost Chasers,

1329
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:28,640
Speaker 1: Captain Caveman and the Teen Angels. One of these is

1330
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 1: a fake, I know one of these. You put it in here.

1331
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:32,639
Speaker 3: Actually, it's about saying I was just about to say,

1332
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 3: those are all real shows.

1333
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:37,519
Speaker 1: In the fall of nineteen seventy two, Hannah Barbera and

1334
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 1: CBS embarked on a new format one hour episodes called

1335
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 1: the New Scooby Doo Movies, which started the Parade of

1336
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:48,800
Speaker 1: guest stars. After two seasons and twenty four episodes of

1337
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 1: the New Movies format in nineteen seventy two, in nineteen

1338
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 1: seventy three, CBS began airing reruns of the original Scooby

1339
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 1: Doo Where I Use series until its option on the

1340
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 1: series expired in nineteen seventy six. That was around the

1341
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 1: same time that Fred Silverman, who we mentioned earlier in

1342
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 1: the episode kept jumping TV networks during the seventies, became

1343
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:11,280
Speaker 1: president of ABC moving from CBS to ABC, and Silverman

1344
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 1: made a deal with Hannah barbar to bring Scooby Doo

1345
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:16,559
Speaker 1: to ABC along with him. Began airing in nineteen seventy six,

1346
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 1: and it was around this era that Scooby was joined

1347
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:23,960
Speaker 1: by a new Hannibar Bear show, Dyno Mutt Dog Wonder,

1348
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 1: to create the Scooby Doo Dyno Mutt Hour. What are

1349
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 1: you having me read?

1350
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 3: I just want you to keep reading obscure sixties and

1351
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:37,479
Speaker 3: seventies cartoons cold. It's the biggest joy of my day.

1352
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 1: Joe Ruby and Kevin Spears, some of the creators of

1353
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 1: Scooby Doo, who are now working for Fred Silverman and

1354
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 1: supervisors of the ABC Saturday Morning cartoon lineup, returned the

1355
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:51,720
Speaker 1: program to its original format half hour, notably adding Scooby's

1356
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 1: dim witted country cousins Scooby.

1357
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 3: Dumb also not a thing we made up.

1358
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:01,839
Speaker 1: The following year, those two, Joe Ruby and Ken Spears,

1359
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 1: left to start their own studio in nineteen seventy seven

1360
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 1: as competition against Hanna Barbera, which I'm kind of shocked

1361
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 1: that they didn't have that in their contract not to do.

1362
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 1: And this is when things started to go downhill for

1363
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:19,799
Speaker 1: poor Scooby and his friends. By nineteen seventy nine, ratings

1364
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 1: were so low that the series was nearly axed, so

1365
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 1: Joseph Barbera and Mark Evner developed Scrappy Do, Scooby's nephew,

1366
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:33,160
Speaker 1: to prevent ABC from canceling the series. The character, obnoxiously

1367
01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:36,759
Speaker 1: brash and fearless, though physically small, was the other rubric

1368
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 1: pitch for Scooby Doo before they ultimately went with large

1369
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:43,759
Speaker 1: but scared as the core and really only personality traits.

1370
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 1: Sixteen episodes of Scooby Doo and Scrappy Doo aired during

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01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:51,799
Speaker 1: the nineteen seventy nine nineteen eighty season, but ABC ultimately

1372
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:54,799
Speaker 1: felt that Scrappy was not a positive influence on kids.

1373
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 1: Evanor wrote about the experience on his blog, quote it

1374
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:01,840
Speaker 1: dawned on ABC broadcast, then maybe Scrappy was a bad

1375
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 1: role model for the kiddos. He was, and one person

1376
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 1: in that department actually used this term to me, quote

1377
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:12,560
Speaker 1: too independent. The network also thought Scrappy was quote too rebellious.

1378
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:15,760
Speaker 1: But all that said, Scrappy did exactly what he was

1379
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 1: supposed to do. As Evanor wrote, he got Scooby Doo

1380
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:22,360
Speaker 1: renewed for another season. More Scooby Doo came from the

1381
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 1: blood of Scrappy Doo. In case you haven't figured this out,

1382
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 1: Scrappy Doo was fairly hated among Scooby Doo heads. Series

1383
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 1: creators Joe Ruby and Ken Spears have gone on the

1384
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 1: record about having hated him, and so did animator i

1385
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 1: Will Takamoto, who described Scrappy as quote definitely not my

1386
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:46,040
Speaker 1: favorite member of a Scooby family. In two thousand and four,

1387
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:48,720
Speaker 1: when Scooby Doo received acclaim for being the animated show

1388
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:51,719
Speaker 1: with the most episodes, was the movie before the Simpsons

1389
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:55,759
Speaker 1: took that record over. Fans congratulated the show but didn't

1390
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 1: hide their vitriol for Scrappy, with comments like please let

1391
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 1: Scrappy get caught by the Dogcatcher and any true Scooby

1392
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 1: fan would have to disregard all the episodes featuring the

1393
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:11,720
Speaker 1: terrible Scrappy do. It's just too painful. Clearly, they made

1394
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:13,280
Speaker 1: their opinions very clear.

1395
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 3: I just love I love how much I love when

1396
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:18,599
Speaker 3: people get out of pocket about things that do not matter.

1397
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 1: Hey, that's the name of this show, that's sure. James Gunn,

1398
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:27,920
Speaker 1: who we mentioned earlier, wrote the live action Scooby Doo

1399
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 1: movie once so far as to call Scrappy Do quote

1400
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 1: a little piece of this in his movie's twist, ending

1401
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:40,120
Speaker 1: Scrappy actually winds up being the villain. The film's director

1402
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 1: Rajah Gosnell told E Scrappy ruined the series. So it's

1403
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:46,680
Speaker 1: just a brainstorm between James and I where we were

1404
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 1: trying to figure out the final twist. So just out

1405
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:52,679
Speaker 1: of the session, it was like Scrappy. I know people

1406
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 1: younger on us that really like Scrappy. The twist was

1407
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 1: widely debated on what era of Scooby you watched, but

1408
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 1: enough people hated Scrappy we were mostly applauded. Scrappy Dow

1409
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 1: was eventually killed, at least non canonically in twenty eleven

1410
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 1: in a work of online fan fiction which tied the

1411
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:16,800
Speaker 1: show to Dexter, the show about a serial killer with

1412
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 1: a heart of goal.

1413
01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:20,600
Speaker 3: Question mark, that's why I love fanfic.

1414
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:25,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. By twenty fourteen, the out of context line

1415
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:28,719
Speaker 1: Scrappy Do found dead in Miami has become a Twitter choke.

1416
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:29,800
Speaker 4: I don't remember that.

1417
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 1: You're much more online than me. You remember that.

1418
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:35,600
Speaker 3: No, I don't remember this. One in particular. But I

1419
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 3: find it so amazing to recap someone online was writing

1420
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:44,800
Speaker 3: fanfic Dexter fanfic and the murder that Dexter is investigating

1421
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:49,719
Speaker 3: on Scrappy do them. I love the Internet.

1422
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 1: Also in twenty eleven, in an episode of Scooby Doo

1423
01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 1: Mystery Incorporated, Scrappy appeared in a brief cameo when Fred

1424
01:16:56,439 --> 01:17:00,160
Speaker 1: and Daphne visited a museum celebrating their exploits, to which

1425
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 1: Fred claims, we all promise each other that we would

1426
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 1: never speak of him.

1427
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:08,720
Speaker 3: It's hard to pin a straight narrative onto the decline

1428
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 3: and subsequent expansion of Scooby Doo, simply because, as you

1429
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:14,360
Speaker 3: may have gleaned already, the show was mercilessly shoved in

1430
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:16,800
Speaker 3: any direction that whoever owned it at the time thought

1431
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:19,559
Speaker 3: could make them money. The last incarnation of the show

1432
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 3: on ABC was called a pup named Scooby Doo and

1433
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 3: wrote on the then prevalent trend of making established children's

1434
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:28,840
Speaker 3: television characters young a la Muppet Babies. After the show's

1435
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 3: first season in nineteen eight eighty eight, Tom Ruger, who

1436
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:34,720
Speaker 3: had previously been the head story editor on Scooby Doo,

1437
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 3: since i'ont eteing eighty three took much of his team

1438
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:40,799
Speaker 3: to defect from Hannah Barbera to Warner Brothers to develop

1439
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 3: Steven Spielberg presents Tiny Toon Adventures and later Animaniacs and

1440
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 3: Pinky in the Brain. So that's just a fun historical

1441
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 3: note that this weird guy worked on two different things

1442
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 3: about making cartoon characters babies and had enough people on

1443
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:58,559
Speaker 3: the team to want to continue doing that with him.

1444
01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:01,559
Speaker 1: I just love that Steven Spielberg felt strongly enough about

1445
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:03,280
Speaker 1: Tiny Tin Adventures.

1446
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 3: To get branded with his name on it. Yeah, Yeah,

1447
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 3: I just jesus. This infantilized Scooby marched on until nineteen

1448
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:16,839
Speaker 3: eighty one, but following the success of the show's reruns

1449
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:19,800
Speaker 3: and live action film, the next version was What's New

1450
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 3: Scooby Doo, airing on Kids WB from two thousand and

1451
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:25,679
Speaker 3: two until two thousand and six. From there, the franchise

1452
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 3: is travel to cartoon network Boomerang, which is a cable

1453
01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:33,599
Speaker 3: and streaming app that apparently exists, and finally HBO Max,

1454
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 3: where Mindy Kaling's adult oriented Velma. A rebooted version of

1455
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:42,000
Speaker 3: the show centered on that character, premiered in January twenty

1456
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:46,799
Speaker 3: twenty three. There's also an entire cottage industry of comic

1457
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:49,640
Speaker 3: books and video games based around Scooby Doo that we

1458
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 3: will not be mentioned.

1459
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:56,680
Speaker 1: I feel bad taking Alex's fan theory corner from you

1460
01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:57,400
Speaker 1: do you want to do this?

1461
01:18:57,920 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 3: No? Go ahead, go ahead?

1462
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 1: Okay. One thing we did want to note is some

1463
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 1: of the more hilarious fan theories about Scooby Doo. For example,

1464
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:07,559
Speaker 1: there's a theory that Scooby Doo is able to speak

1465
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:11,120
Speaker 1: English because he was part of a Soviet experiment. I

1466
01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:14,800
Speaker 1: like that one. Or that the gang is actually constantly

1467
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 1: on the move in the Mystery Machine because the draft

1468
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:19,240
Speaker 1: Dodgers avoiding the Vietnam War.

1469
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:20,280
Speaker 4: I like that one too.

1470
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 1: That's why I.

1471
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:21,599
Speaker 3: Also liked that one.

1472
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, But the award for the most as you describe it,

1473
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:28,800
Speaker 1: baroque theory goes to the one that posits that the

1474
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:34,960
Speaker 1: characters were based on the five college consortium. Where did

1475
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:40,600
Speaker 1: you find this? Amherst College has a very preppy reputation,

1476
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:45,559
Speaker 1: so that represents Fred Hippie Shaggy is Hampshire College, Mount

1477
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 1: Holyoke College matches upper class upper crust, Daphne Smith College

1478
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 1: is Nerdy Velma, and Scooby is UMass Amhurst, which is

1479
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:56,400
Speaker 1: known for partying. Yes, it is a lot of friends

1480
01:19:56,400 --> 01:20:02,599
Speaker 1: who went there. However, FactCheck Hampshire College didn't even open

1481
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 1: until one year after Scooby started airing Yeah it is,

1482
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 1: you prove the stuff. One of the animators shot down

1483
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:13,080
Speaker 1: the rumor in his autobiography, writing I don't think I

1484
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:16,160
Speaker 1: could have named five colleges in the Boston area, let

1485
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 1: alone been familiar enough with them to copy their styles busts.

1486
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:24,760
Speaker 3: So there you have it, folks. We will chase down

1487
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 3: any dumb thing that shows up at alistical. I'm not

1488
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:29,680
Speaker 3: even sure how that the genesis of that theory, but

1489
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 3: we will run it down at fact check it for

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Speaker 3: you anyway. Despite its massive success, Scooby Doo has only

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Speaker 3: been nominated for two major awards, Daytime Emmy in nineteen

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Speaker 3: ninety for a pub named Scooby Doo and another in

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Speaker 3: two thousand and three for the voice of Velma Mindy

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Speaker 3: Khn for Outstanding Performance in an Animated Program. It's not

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Speaker 3: like the property was ever going to be a critical darling. Ao.

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Speaker 3: Scott want snifted in The New York Times that Scooby

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Speaker 3: Doo was quote one of the cheapest, least original products

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Speaker 3: of modern American juvenile culture.

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Speaker 1: Ouch. I mean, I'm not a huge fan, but it's

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Speaker 1: got to be way more deserving targets than Scooby two.

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Speaker 3: Just like that that he went for that one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is personal. That feels like that feels like

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Speaker 1: a hymn problem.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, I would though. A good counterpoint comes from other

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Speaker 3: other than Carl Sagan, who in his last book hyped

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Speaker 3: Scooby Doo as approaching the supernatural with a healthy degree

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Speaker 3: of scientific skepticism, which he said the X Files did

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Speaker 3: not do. He called Scooby Doo a public service which

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Speaker 3: paranormal claims are systematically investigated and every case is found

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Speaker 3: to be explicable in prosaic terms. Thank you, Carl.

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Speaker 1: Billions and billions of ghosts.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, Scooby Doo's massive success has more to do with

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Speaker 3: its impact on culture. I mean, you look at something

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Speaker 3: like Buffy the Vampire Slayer, which is one of the

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Speaker 3: biggest television hits of the waning days of the twentieth

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Speaker 3: century into the twenty first, and that is explicitly modeled

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Speaker 3: after Scooby Doo by Joss Whedon. Admittedly that the game

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Speaker 3: even calls themselves to the Scoobies. Yeah, I read an

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Speaker 3: interesting think piece in The Atlantic which you'll probably never

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Speaker 3: hear me say again about some of the societal underpinnings

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Speaker 3: of the gang. Fred and Daphne, with their implied couple

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Speaker 3: them and relatively straight appearances minus the Ascot, represents the

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Speaker 3: upstanding mainstream America, while Shaggy and Velmo, with their implied

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Speaker 3: drug habits and obscured sexuality, are the products of the counterculture.

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Speaker 3: Writer Christopher Orr continues, the show's longevity demonstrates that the

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Speaker 3: metaphor works equally well as outsiders versus popular kids, or

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Speaker 3: most primarily, as children versus parents, And I think that

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Speaker 3: really gets at the essence of Scooby Doo. Like another

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Speaker 3: tootemic illustrated work, Calvin and Hobbes, it captures a representative

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Speaker 3: handful of American archetypes and their companions as they navigate

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Speaker 3: the adult world. Scooby Doo's ultimate lesson, though, I think,

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Speaker 3: is far more cynical than anyone ever let on the

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Speaker 3: fun evils of the world, like ghosts, vampires, and ghouls

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Speaker 3: are ultimately all in our heads, and growing up means

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Speaker 3: learning that every spooky thing haunting your imagination via the

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Speaker 3: dark hallways of the world. Is, in the end, just

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Speaker 3: another greedy adult in a cheap mask. But there's a

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Speaker 3: silver lining in that it also teaches us we'll always

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Speaker 3: have our friends, animal and otherwise, a good sandwich or

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Speaker 3: two and a pretty sweet van with a custom pain

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Speaker 3: job to help us model our way through. Folks, Thank

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Speaker 3: you for listening. This has been too much information. I'm

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Speaker 3: Alex Sigel.

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Speaker 4: And I'm Jordan run Tagg. We'll catch you next time.

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Speaker 1: The show's supervising producer is Michael Alder June.

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Speaker 3: The show was researched, written, and hosted by Jordan Runtog

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Speaker 3: and Alex Heigel.

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