1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 2: Good morning. 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,399 Speaker 3: I'm Nathan Hager and I'm Karen Moscow. Here are the 4 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 3: stories we're following today. 5 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 2: Karen, we begin with deadlock in DC. Congress has blown 6 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 2: past a midnight funding deadline to trigger the first government 7 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 2: shutdown in nearly seven years. Democrats and Republicans remain in 8 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 2: a spending standoff. The Democrats want to attach healthcare and 9 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 2: other policy changes to a stopgap spending bill. Senate Minority 10 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 2: Leader Chuck Schumer is blaming the majority party. 11 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 4: Republicans once again rejected democrats proposals to avoid a shutdown, 12 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 4: fixed healthcare premiums and spare Americans the calamity of skyrocketing 13 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 4: through the roof healthcare costs. 14 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 2: Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer says unless Congress act Obamacare, 15 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 2: tax credits will expire at the end of the year, 16 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: in premiums will spike. Majority Leader John Thune says Democrats 17 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 2: are to blame. 18 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 5: Democrats may have chosen to shut down the government tonight, 19 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 5: but we can reopen it tomorrow. All it takes is 20 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 5: a handful of Democrats to join Republicans to pass the clean, 21 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 5: non partisan funding bill that in front. 22 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,639 Speaker 2: Of US Senate Majority Leader John Thune and his fellow 23 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:21,559 Speaker 2: Republicans needed at least eight Democrats to support the funding bill. 24 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 2: Only three voted, with all but one Republican in favor 25 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 2: of it last night. 26 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 3: Nathan, the government shutdown means key services for Americans and 27 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,919 Speaker 3: pay for federal workers are suspended. President Trump is tying 28 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 3: the healthcare funding stand off to immigration. 29 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 6: They wanted to be able to take care of people 30 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 6: that have come into our country illegally, and no system 31 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 6: can handle that. And so we're totally opposed on that. 32 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 6: But we can't take care. 33 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 7: We just can't do it. 34 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 6: I'd love to do everybody, I'd love to do. 35 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:49,559 Speaker 8: The whole world, but. 36 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 6: Our country can't handle people that come into our country illegally. 37 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 3: President Trump spoke to reporters from the White House a lawn. 38 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 3: He's suggesting his administration will use this shutdown to conduct 39 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 3: mass lay offs of federal workers beyond temporary furloughs. The 40 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 3: Congressional Budget Office estimates about seven hundred and fifty thousand 41 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 3: federal employees will be sidelined each day the government is 42 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 3: shut down. 43 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 2: And Karen Bloomberg Economics estimates the shutdown could send the 44 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 2: unemployment rate from four point three to four point seven percent. 45 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 2: That's if it lasts for three weeks, and those furloughed 46 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 2: workers count as temporarily unemployed. Historically, much of the economic 47 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 2: impact from shutdowns has been recouped after it ends, but 48 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 2: during the last one, the Congressional Budget Office estimated the 49 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: US economy failed to recover three billion of the eleven 50 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 2: billion dollars at lost in overall output. 51 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 3: Well Nathan us Dock Index futures are slipping with the 52 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 3: start of the first government shutdown in nearly seven years. 53 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 3: We get more with Bloomberg's John Tucker John Good Morning, Hey. 54 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 9: Good morning, Karen. 55 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 10: Traders say if the shutdown stretches from days to weeks 56 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 10: and could intensify concern over an economic slowdown and drive 57 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 10: treasury yields and stocks lower. Well, the shutdown also means 58 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 10: that key economic reports they're on hold, that includes Friday's 59 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 10: critical jobs report, and traders fear that the loss of 60 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 10: visibilities is going to lead markets in the dark and 61 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 10: the outlook for monetary policy from the Fed. Daniel Polliot 62 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 10: oh Tree Capital Management sees it this way. 63 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 11: In the past, shutdowns have had a limited effect on 64 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 11: bonds and stocks, but with valuations so stretched in equities today, 65 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 11: this time potentially could be different. 66 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 10: Well, non essential fedal workers will be furlough. The Trump 67 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 10: administration has said they're looking to make some of those 68 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 10: cuts permanent, and that could create a shock, just as 69 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 10: FED policy makers are focusing on the labor market in 70 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 10: New York, John Tucker, Bloomberg. 71 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 2: Radio, Okay, John, thank you, speaking of the labor market. 72 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 2: The White House has withdrawn the nomination of EJ. And 73 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: Tony to lead the Bureau of Labor Statistics. His nomination 74 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 2: was seen as an attempt by the President to gain 75 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 2: control over the agency responsible for that key economic data, 76 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 2: including the monthly jobs report and the Consumer Price indexis 77 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 2: is used to measure inflation. Bloomberg's Miles Miller has more 78 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 2: on the surprise reversal. 79 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 5: E j. 80 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 12: Antonio was just to partisan from the Heritage Foundation, which 81 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 12: has a lot of connections to the current Trump White House, 82 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 12: and surely that he was just to partisan, and in 83 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 12: addition to that that they did not feel he would 84 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 12: have a smooth sailing on Capitol Hill. 85 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 2: Bloomberg's Miles Miller ads the Senate had not yet set 86 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 2: a date for a confirmation hearing. 87 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 3: Nathan as traders remain in the dark with economic data. 88 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 3: Should the shut down carry on, they may rely more 89 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 3: heavily on fed's speak. And we heard from Chicago Fed 90 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 3: President Austin Goulsby yesterday discussing the impact of tariffs on 91 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:39,239 Speaker 3: interest rates. 92 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 13: I thought rates are going to come down in that environment, 93 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 13: and I was saying I thought they had a fair 94 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 13: bit of ways to go when they announced the tariffs 95 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 13: at those kind of rates, especially in manufacturing, also in agriculture. 96 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 13: It was the hair on fire kind of moment where 97 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 13: a lot of folks in the in various manufacturing industries 98 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 13: were saying, we can't if these are the rates, we're 99 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 13: not going to survive. We're going to see a real 100 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 13: closing out. 101 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 3: Austin Golesby spoke at an agricultural conference hosted by the 102 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 3: Chicago Fed. He also expressed concern about some government official 103 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 3: supporting the idea of giving the Trump administration the power 104 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 3: to influence interest rates. 105 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 2: While the standoff continues on Capitol Hill, Karen, President Trump 106 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 2: says his administration is close to ending a standoff with 107 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 2: Harvard and finalizing a five hundred million dollar deal. Speaking 108 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 2: in the Oval Office, alongside Education Secretary Linda McMahon. The 109 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 2: President explained what Harvard plans to do once that agreement 110 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 2: is reached. 111 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 6: Well in the process of getting very close, and Linda's 112 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 6: finishing up the final details, and they'd be paying about 113 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 6: five hundred million dollars and they'll be operating trade schools. 114 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 6: They're going to be teaching people how to do AI 115 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 6: and lots of other things. 116 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 2: President Trump's deal with Harvard would end one of his 117 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 2: highest profile class with American universities. It's not clear if 118 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 2: the settlement would include an independent monitor at something Columbia 119 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 2: University accepted in its own agreement. 120 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 3: And finally, Nathan and Company news Pfizer has agreed to 121 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:13,919 Speaker 3: cut some prices by up to eighty five percent and 122 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 3: sell directly to the public in the US. The move 123 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 3: allows Pfizer to avoid tariffs on the pharmaceutical industry for 124 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 3: three years and addresses President Trump's argument that Americans are 125 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 3: paying more for medicines and remarks heard here on Bloomberg. 126 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 3: Swiser CEO Albert Borla talked about the deal at the 127 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 3: White House. 128 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:35,679 Speaker 14: For years, other rich nations refused to pay the first 129 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 14: serve for the medical innovation, and as a result, Americans 130 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 14: had to assume this proportional cost on their soldiers. This 131 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 14: situation we all knew is not sustainable. 132 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 3: Heiser CEO Albert Borlow is speaking alongside President Trump. Other 133 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 3: major drug makers are expected to follow the move. Time 134 00:06:58,040 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 3: now for look at some of the other stories making 135 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 3: news in New York and around the world, and for 136 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 3: that we're joined by Bloomberg's Modica Rigs Monica, Good morning, Hey. 137 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:05,919 Speaker 9: Good morning, Karen. 138 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 15: A federal judge says the Trump administration unconstitutionally targeted non 139 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 15: citizens for deportation over pro Palestinian protests. Bloomberg's Amy Morris 140 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 15: has that story from Washington. 141 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 16: A federal judge in Boston ruled a US policy that 142 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 16: targets international students for removal on idiological grounds is unconstitutional, 143 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 16: violating the First Amendment. The judge says the policy was 144 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 16: arbitrary and capricious, and accused Homeland Security Secretary Christy Nome 145 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 16: and Secretary of State Marco Rubio of misusing their powers. 146 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 16: US District Judge William Young also ruled the administration violated 147 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 16: the Administrative Procedure Act, so a hearing on that is 148 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 16: to be scheduled later in Washington. Amy Morris Bloomberg Radio. 149 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 15: President Trump says Hamas has a few days to accept 150 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 15: a peace proposal. 151 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 9: He says, Israel's already agreed to. 152 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 6: We're going to do about three or four days. 153 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 11: We'll see how it is. 154 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 6: All of the Arab country signed up, the Muslim country 155 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 6: is all signed up, zeels all signed up. We're just 156 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 6: waiting for Amas, and Amas is either going to be 157 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 6: doing it or not. And if it's not, it's going 158 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 6: to be a very set and. 159 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 15: He says the deal would include the release of Palestinian 160 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 15: prisoners in exchange for hostages. Rescuers are scrambling now to 161 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 15: find survivors after a powerful magnitude six point nine earthquake 162 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 15: at the Philippines last night. 163 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 9: At least sixty nine people have died. 164 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 15: Meantime, forecasters watching two big storms in the Atlantic. Here's 165 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 15: Bloomberg's meteorologist Craig Allen. 166 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 17: Hurricane Umberto is still in the Atlantic, a category one 167 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 17: with eighty mile per hour winds less than three hundred 168 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 17: miles away from Bermuda, but will ride up and over 169 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 17: Bermuda and stay away from the island except for the 170 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 17: rough surf and dangerous speech erosion and rip currents. Meanwhile, 171 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 17: Hurricane of Melda has become the more important storm with 172 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 17: eighty five mile per hour winds and is on a 173 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 17: track right now to directly hit the island of Bermuda 174 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 17: with winds that could exceed one hundred miles per hour. 175 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 17: May very well be a Category two. 176 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 15: Global news twenty four hours a day and whenever you 177 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 15: want it with Bloomberg News. 178 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 5: Now. 179 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 9: I'm Monica Rix, and this is Bloomberg Karen Nathan, Thanks Monica. 180 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 3: Time now for our Bloomberg Sports update, and for that 181 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 3: we bring in John stash Hour. 182 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 9: Thanks Karon. 183 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 8: The start of the baseball postseason three low scoring games, 184 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 8: and then the Dodgers beat the Reds ten to five 185 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 8: in LA. They hit five home runs, two by show 186 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 8: Heo Tony. The Red Sox beat the Yankees three to one. 187 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 8: Garrett Crochet at one point retired seventeen banners in a 188 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 8: row Detroit one two one in Cleveland, Derek scugelstruck at fourteen. 189 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 8: That comes with back to back home runs in the 190 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 8: fifth inning, beat San Diego three to one. The Angels, 191 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 8: another team that will need a new manager next season. 192 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 8: Ron Washington will not return. He didn't manage the second 193 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 8: half this past season after heart surgery. That's your Bloomberg 194 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 8: Sports update. 195 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 3: Stay with us more from Bloomberg day Break coming up 196 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 3: after this. 197 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: Coast to coast on Bloomberg Radio nationwide, on and around 198 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: the world on Bloomberg dot Com and the Bloomberg Business Appum. 199 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 9: This is Bloomberg Daybreak. 200 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 2: Good morning, I'm Nathan Hageren. For the first time in 201 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 2: nearly seven years, a government shutdown is underway in Washington. 202 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 2: But even before the funds lapsed just after midnight, the 203 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 2: finger pointing had been well underway in the Senate. 204 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 5: The Democrat caucus here in town in the Senate has 205 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 5: chosen to shut down the government over a clean, non 206 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 5: partisan funding bill. 207 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 4: Republicans are plunging America into a shutdown, rejecting by partisan talks, 208 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 4: pushing a partisan bill and risking America's healthcare. 209 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 2: And that was Senate Majority Leader John Thune and Minority 210 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 2: Leader Chuck Schumer hours before this latest shutdown took effect. 211 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 2: Joining us this morning, Terry Haynes, the founder of Pangaea Policy. Terry, 212 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,559 Speaker 2: good morning. This is the first shutdown in nearly seven years, 213 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 2: but certainly not the first government shutdown ever. Will this 214 00:10:58,080 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 2: one be any different. 215 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 7: Good morning, Hi, Good morning, Nathan. I think it will 216 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 7: not be a lot different in the sense that it 217 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 7: won't be very long, and in two weeks everybody will 218 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 7: have forgotten what the fight was about, and there was 219 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 7: very unlikely to be much economic impact. One major bank 220 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 7: came out with a very good study that showed that 221 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 7: of the fourteen shutdowns that happened since Reagan became president 222 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 7: so forty five years ago, in ten of them, the 223 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 7: S and P was up from the time that the 224 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 7: shutdowns started to the time it ended. So I think 225 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 7: it's unlikely to have any lasting economic impact or markets impact, 226 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 7: that's for sure. 227 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 2: Well, how do you see this playing out, because in 228 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 2: the moments leading up to this, both sides seemed pretty 229 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 2: dug in, particularly the Democrats when it comes to their 230 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 2: demands for healthcare spending in a stopgap. 231 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 7: I think a couple of things. I think that firstly, 232 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 7: you know I've said to you before. I think both 233 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 7: alreadys want to shut down for political reasons and for 234 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,959 Speaker 7: different political reasons. Democrats need to show some fight and 235 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 7: some resistance to the bad Orange Man, so they're doing that. 236 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 7: I also think it's not going to be a long 237 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 7: one for a couple of reasons. One is that, uh, 238 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 7: you know, all all Democrats need. Democrats are the ones 239 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 7: doing the asking, so I'm not being partisan here. They 240 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 7: have the more complicated position. Republicans just want to keep 241 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 7: things open. Democrats want stuff. They say they want the 242 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 7: healthcare stuff. All they need to do is to declare 243 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 7: victory is get negotiations with the Republicans. Republicans have already 244 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 7: indicated they're interested in doing that, just not on this bill. 245 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 7: So that's a fairly easy win. Beyond that, you know, 246 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 7: you can already see the cracks in Schumer's side. You 247 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 7: had three defections yesterday Fetterman, Cortes, Mastow, and King, who's 248 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 7: independent but caucuses with Democrats. And the longer this goes on, 249 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 7: the more pressure there will be from public employee unions, 250 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 7: who are big supporters of Democrats to want to bring 251 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 7: those folks back. So there's going to be a lot 252 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 7: of pressure on the Maryland and Virginia senators who represent 253 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 7: hundreds of thousands of those folks, and they'll be pushing 254 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 7: for some sort of resolution. After that, you only need 255 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 7: one more vote in order to keep the government open. 256 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 7: So you know, I think the tide goes out pretty 257 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 7: quickly on Senator shum Or, unless unless he tries to 258 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 7: declare victory here. 259 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:34,199 Speaker 2: You mentioned the Maryland and Republican senators obviously constituents of 260 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 2: a large number of federal employees there. Do you think 261 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 2: this indication from President Trump that he could use this 262 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 2: shutdown to enact mass federal layoffs could lead to some 263 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 2: cracks here? Is that what you're getting at? 264 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 3: Oh? 265 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 7: Oh, exactly? So, yes, I mean there is a threat 266 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 7: to government employees, you know, employment status that hasn't existed before. 267 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 7: So far, the administration has not kind of pulled the 268 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 7: ultimate trigger on this, instead talking about furloughing people instead 269 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 7: of riffing or you know, completely getting rid of positions. 270 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 7: But you know, that's a distinction without much difference to 271 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 7: people who are very concerned about their jobs. 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