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Speaker 1: Welcome to the twenty in the Huddle podcast presented by Microsoft,

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Speaker 1: and I have taken the show on the road to

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Speaker 1: the Owner's Meetings and Phoenix. I'm really happy to welcome

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Speaker 1: in Dan Campbell, head coach of the Detroit Lions. And Dan,

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Speaker 1: let's start with this. How fun is this time of year?

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Speaker 1: Last year or last week? Excuse me? You had the

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Speaker 1: first wave of free agency, right, you get a chance

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Speaker 1: to make your football team better. You're in draft mode. Um,

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Speaker 1: you guys have prospects coming too the building that the

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Speaker 1: guys are going to be back April seventeen, that's only

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks away. Just how fun is this

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Speaker 1: this time frame on the NFL calendar? Yeah, look it is.

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Speaker 1: It's Uh, it's a lot of fun. And to your point,

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Speaker 1: And I do feel that that way. After two years, man,

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Speaker 1: are the concrete concrete has been poured, so that that's

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Speaker 1: on your team with the right guys, that's exciting the

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Speaker 1: right guys. That's the key point. I know you talked

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Speaker 1: about that this morning, But let's start with some of

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Speaker 1: yet he's he was here, you know in twenty one.

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Speaker 1: It's important because, first of all, those guys serve a

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Speaker 1: Number two is man, they're all about what we're about. Man.

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Speaker 1: They love ball. They they they love it, man, and

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Speaker 1: they endear themselves to their teammates. You know, they have

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Speaker 1: all the intangible qualities and and they're willing to put

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Speaker 1: just think is big on multiple levels. Man. They're glue guys,

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Speaker 1: right Dan, I mean they make guys around them better.

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Speaker 1: You look at some of the dirty work that that

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Speaker 1: they want them to have personal success. Of course, we

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Speaker 1: will lay it all on the line for them. What

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Speaker 1: They wore the having the availability of a third quarterback

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Speaker 1: to coming in an emergency and then having an extra

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Speaker 1: challenge because how Dan used the example talking to us

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Speaker 1: in the breakfast in the morning, was the catch no catch,

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Speaker 1: and how that's usually that's decide whatever the ruling on

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Speaker 1: the field is right or wrong. If it's close and

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Speaker 1: it can't be decided, that's usually where they go. And

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Speaker 1: he said, teams usually waste a lot of the challenges

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Speaker 1: on that part or that part the game, and then

435
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Speaker 1: you're done for the game. And so giving teams an

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Speaker 1: opportunity to have a third challenge. Unfortunately that proposal did

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Speaker 1: not pass. The proposal for the third quarterback was tabled,

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Speaker 1: and I think the reason for that is determining the

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Speaker 1: language between is that quarterback on the fifty three man roster,

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Speaker 1: is that quarterback on the practice squad. How does that work?

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Speaker 1: So I think that's one that we could still see

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Speaker 1: come to fruition. But I think some of the finer

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Speaker 1: details of how that'll work roster wise will have to

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Speaker 1: be figured out. And I think that the third quarterback

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Speaker 1: specifically coming from the Lions when we just talked about

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Speaker 1: the backup quarterback and how they're going to have to

447
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Speaker 1: bring in potentially a third guy, is just an interesting layer.

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Speaker 1: So if you're if you are advocating for that rule,

449
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Speaker 1: you got to have three guys that are able to

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Speaker 1: go out there and play our point exactly what we

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Speaker 1: talked ab us see how all these kind of stacked up,

452
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Speaker 1: stacking together. It's just like a puzzle. You just have

453
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Speaker 1: to put it all together and figure it out. You know.

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Speaker 1: Another thing Brad talked about was the character issues and

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Speaker 1: how you weigh that in evaluating draft town. Obviously, Jalen

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Speaker 1: Carter and the news with him, and we both have

457
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Speaker 1: watched the tape we saw him at Georgia last year.

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Speaker 1: He's good player, an extreme talent in the middle at

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Speaker 1: a position of need for the Detroit Lions. But obviously

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Speaker 1: there's some characters stuff that that's come about, and you know,

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Speaker 1: here's what Brad had to say about just the difference

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Speaker 1: between an extreme talent and character issues and how you

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Speaker 1: evaluate in way those when you're talking about taking a

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Speaker 1: guy you know that high in the draft. Yeah, again,

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Speaker 1: it's always case by case. You know, these kids are

466
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Speaker 1: young college kids, and um, you know, I've I've I've

467
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Speaker 1: read a lot of things about just kind of you know,

468
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Speaker 1: from a brain standpoint, you know where your frontal lobes

469
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Speaker 1: are developed at that point, and you know, some of

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Speaker 1: the things that I did in college I probably wouldn't

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Speaker 1: want anybody to know about. But you know, so again

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Speaker 1: you got to just take a case by case. But

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Speaker 1: you know, um, you kind of asked about what is

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Speaker 1: the one thing and I say, football character. Um, it's

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Speaker 1: probably the biggest thing. Is in terms of just you know,

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Speaker 1: your passion for the game. You know your you know,

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Speaker 1: your mental toughness, leadership, work, ethic, accountability, all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: You know that that always rains rains number one. Well,

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Speaker 1: and what he said about football character I thought was

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Speaker 1: important too, because I think there is a difference. Is

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Speaker 1: he on time to meetings, is he all about ball?

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Speaker 1: Does he value his teammates? Is he good in the

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Speaker 1: locker room. Um. You know, obviously you don't want to

484
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Speaker 1: be in a situation where you draft a guy and

485
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Speaker 1: you're regretful for it for something he does away from

486
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Speaker 1: the football field. But I think to make that decision

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Speaker 1: at six, you've got to have a really good feel

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Speaker 1: about his football character. And I think that's what they'll

489
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Speaker 1: have bleeding up Tapril twenty seven, and I think there's

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Speaker 1: you know, a month left to figure that out on

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Speaker 1: all of these guys, not just Jalen Carter. I mean,

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Speaker 1: do you do background into everybody? And when you're picking

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Speaker 1: at six and eighteen, there's a big crop of blue

494
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Speaker 1: chip guys that you have to be familiar with and

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Speaker 1: be ready to draft if one of them is on

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Speaker 1: the board at either of those spots in the first round,

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Speaker 1: you know, just because you don't want to miss on

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Speaker 1: a first round pick like that. And it gets you know,

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Speaker 1: less the stakes go down as the draft board goes down,

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Speaker 1: But there's still we talked about it off the top,

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Speaker 1: when you're bringing in a camp Sutton from Pittsburgh, A

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Speaker 1: Mosley from San Francisco, a CJ. Gardner Johnson who you

503
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Speaker 1: have had before, in Dan Campbell and Aaron Glenn, and

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Speaker 1: you know what he's like in the room, and that's

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Speaker 1: a that's a big person. You've already got Isaiah Bugs,

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Speaker 1: You've already got an zelone you guys, because I know

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Speaker 1: where you're going with this. Guys that have been in

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Speaker 1: the league, character guys, good locker room guys. Do you

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Speaker 1: think you have the veteran leadership in that room? Now?

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Speaker 1: Does that afford you the opportunity to take a swing?

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Speaker 1: What did danzay at breakfast on Tuesday morning? You can

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Speaker 1: have one of those guys, maybe two, maybe two can

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Speaker 1: have one of those guys if you feel like your

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Speaker 1: locker room is strong enough and you've got enough of

515
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Speaker 1: those guys that you talk about year three and you're

516
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Speaker 1: bringing in your own guys now, could be at that point.

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Speaker 1: I think you're at that point. Could be at that

518
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Speaker 1: point now. Now the job is the division. Now, it's

519
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Speaker 1: to play with the big boys, as as Dan said,

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Speaker 1: and so um, you know sometimes you need, you know,

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Speaker 1: a guy like that that can put you over the

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Speaker 1: edge and fee you feel confident enough that you've got

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Speaker 1: a locker room that can handle maybe some of those

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Speaker 1: if you decide there are a few of those, and

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Speaker 1: if and if that's the player, I think you have

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Speaker 1: to just decide first and foremost, if that is you're

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Speaker 1: just on on talent alone, if that is the guy

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Speaker 1: you want to go with, then you you have to

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Speaker 1: shift into Okay, how does he fit in the position room?

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Speaker 1: How does he fit in the locker room. But to

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Speaker 1: the first point is you got to decide if that

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Speaker 1: is the guy player, Yeah, and that'll be first and foremost.

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Speaker 1: All right, Pig's finished with this. Um, we talked about

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Speaker 1: all the free agency additions and the guys and just

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Speaker 1: how that might affect the draft. And look, when you're

536
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Speaker 1: seeing the mock drafts before free agency, at the corner

537
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Speaker 1: at six A corner at eight corner, safety at eighteen,

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Speaker 1: safety at forty eight corner and corn and obviously with

539
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Speaker 1: the additions of some of the veteran guys in free agency, UM,

540
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Speaker 1: you know that's not so much a need. But but

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Speaker 1: Brad talked about, UM, you know it's always for him

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Speaker 1: about talent over need, that he has no depth chart

543
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Speaker 1: in the in the locker room. That's just like that's

544
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Speaker 1: always been the way that he drafts. It's best player,

545
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Speaker 1: and I think free agency does allow them some freedom.

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Speaker 1: There's obviously some positions of need. And you can't exclude

547
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Speaker 1: cornerback because C. J. Gardner, Johnson and Emmanuel Mosley around

548
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Speaker 1: one year deals. Depending on the fifth year option with

549
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Speaker 1: Jeff which they have to decide by May, he could

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Speaker 1: be on his who cornerback under contract. Yeah, so you

551
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Speaker 1: know it may not be a need for twenty twenty three,

552
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Speaker 1: but you're building a football team for years to come,

553
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Speaker 1: so you know, I think cornerback is still very much

554
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Speaker 1: in play, but defensive tackle. But what I think the

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Speaker 1: free agency allowed you to do is is really just

556
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Speaker 1: draft on what Brad talked about is draft on best

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Speaker 1: player available. You don't have to reach for a need

558
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Speaker 1: because you've only got two quarterbacks under contractor or whatever. No,

559
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Speaker 1: And I think now when you're at the spot that

560
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Speaker 1: the Lions are, you can kind of get away from

561
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Speaker 1: even the impacts of a positional value. Like if you

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Speaker 1: think a guard is worth a first round pick at

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Speaker 1: this point, and that is your guy, like that's the

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Speaker 1: guy on the top of your blood. You have the

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Speaker 1: depth and the resources too, then you know, pick maybe

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Speaker 1: a corner or a more valuable position in the second

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Speaker 1: round because you have two second round picks. So In

568
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Speaker 1: addition to five picks in the top eighty one and

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Speaker 1: all of the trades that Brad has made to get

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Speaker 1: this war chest, you also filled in the gaps and

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Speaker 1: free agency with guys that are ready to play now.

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Speaker 1: And when you're looking to be a playoff team and

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Speaker 1: looking to win the division, you know rookie corners source

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Speaker 1: Gardner was great last year. There's been a lot of

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Speaker 1: good rookie corners recently, historically not great. Do you want

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Speaker 1: to throw a rookie corner into a major role on

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Speaker 1: a team with playoff expectations? Maybe not, but now you

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Speaker 1: don't have to because free agency, right and I think

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Speaker 1: also in play now is your ability to move up.

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Speaker 1: If you identify a guy that you really love, that

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Speaker 1: that you're in that win now mode it's division or

582
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Speaker 1: bust um, and you think he can make an immediate

583
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Speaker 1: impact and help, you're not concerned about moving up and

584
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Speaker 1: losing some of those assets because in free agency you

585
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Speaker 1: filled those needs like you talked about. Or you can

586
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Speaker 1: move back a little bit if you have some prospects

587
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Speaker 1: you know from whatever you have tears, yeah, from seven

588
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: to twelve, or are the same tiered player, you have

589
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Speaker 1: the same grade on them, you can move back and

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Speaker 1: gain something. I just think what they did in free

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Speaker 1: agency with the guys that they resign and the guys

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Speaker 1: that they brought in um from other teams, I think

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Speaker 1: allowed them really a lot of freedom in this draft

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Speaker 1: to just trust their board and pick their guys, and

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Speaker 1: drafting for need is is just something that you can

596
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Speaker 1: shy away from now because you're looking, you know, years

597
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Speaker 1: down line, the rookie impact if it's a quarterback that's

598
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Speaker 1: playing every game, or like a high value running back,

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Speaker 1: which there obviously is one in this class, like okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna make a real impact as a rookie. But

601
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Speaker 1: a lot of these times it takes one or two

602
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Speaker 1: years to really get into a stride and you're looking, okay,

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Speaker 1: three years from now, you have Hutchinson and you can

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Speaker 1: take another edge rusher Tyree Wilson, who might not be

605
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Speaker 1: great this year, but three years from now, those are

606
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Speaker 1: your two ends and you're in business if it pans

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Speaker 1: out that way. So you always have to be and

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Speaker 1: I think Brad made it pretty clear yesterday that eyes

609
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Speaker 1: are downfield, like you want to win now, but the

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Speaker 1: draft is future future based. Well, it was a fun

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Speaker 1: time down here. I always love coming down to Phoenix.

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Speaker 1: In the Biltmore. It's a great spot. You get all

613
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Speaker 1: the league news, you get Brad, you get dan Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, we'll talk to Rod Wood, team president, about

615
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Speaker 1: some of the kind of business side of things. The

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Speaker 1: weather was great. We didn't get a lot of bird

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Speaker 1: now all right. I think we got away with it.

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Speaker 1: I think we got away with it, but it was

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Speaker 1: a good time. We'll be back for a pre draft

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Speaker 1: preview in a couple of weeks, and so you could

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Speaker 1: look for that podcast then