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Speaker 1: What's good.

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Speaker 2: It's the one and only m v P and I'm

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Speaker 2: here doing room service diaries. Luke and Bryant actually met them,

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Speaker 2: I believe in Vegas. You know, honestly, I didn't know

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Speaker 2: who it was gonna be, but I saw.

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Speaker 3: Them just now. It's like, oh no, cool, it's gonna

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Speaker 3: be you guys. Love the guys, love the energy.

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Speaker 2: I was raised on that if you make one mistake

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Speaker 2: in school, and a mistake could be wearing their own shoes,

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Speaker 2: and you're getting ripped the whole.

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Speaker 1: All right, here we go. We are joined by one

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Speaker 1: of the most unique MMA fighters really in the world,

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Speaker 1: certainly in the Walterway Division. He's got a big fight

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Speaker 1: coming up which just gotta bounce. Today we were bouncing

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Speaker 1: through London BC, Like we can't stop in London without

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Speaker 1: talking to one of London's finest m v pizzle MVP

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Speaker 1: Michael Venam Page. How are you.

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Speaker 3: Certain, good man? Not pleasure to be here?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're in your neighborhood, not really but more or less.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely. Like I said that this London is

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Speaker 2: small so as actually it takes ages to get across London.

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Speaker 2: London in general is small.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I go everywhere.

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Speaker 1: Do you like London?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I do.

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Speaker 2: There's there's a lot that I don't like, and that's

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Speaker 2: more political talk, so I leave that.

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Speaker 3: But in general, London is a great sea.

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Speaker 1: I was told you before off camera. I've been here

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Speaker 1: in nineteen years. Yeah, you said it looks great. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's some cities like you leave when you come back

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Speaker 1: five years. Yeah, shit kind of went to hell. But no,

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Speaker 1: London looks good.

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Speaker 2: It's always there's always new developments and new buildings and

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Speaker 2: things going up all the time.

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Speaker 3: So it's and there's always tough to do here, always

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Speaker 3: have to do.

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Speaker 1: Just sort of a broader question. But like we we

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Speaker 1: had an event last night. We met a bunch of

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Speaker 1: MA fans. We've been for a few days. We talked

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Speaker 1: to a bunch of fighters. It feels like MMA is

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Speaker 1: big here and it's doing really well, but it feels

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Speaker 1: like there's so much untapped potential.

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent. It's still weirdy enough, I think what

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Speaker 2: it is over here in the UK. There's still a

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Speaker 2: bit more of a box in country, so they favor

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Speaker 2: though it's weird, even.

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Speaker 3: Down to like sponsorship.

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Speaker 2: So for myself trying to get sponsorship, especially on the

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Speaker 2: way up, it's difficult because people used to kind of

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Speaker 2: turn their nose up at MMA. So as much as

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Speaker 2: they watched it, as much as they knew who I was,

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Speaker 2: and as much as they kind of knew a couple

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Speaker 2: of key fighters, it was still kind of like it's

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Speaker 2: a bit too brutal, sure for our company. So it's

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Speaker 2: definitely slowly coming out of that.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it's not quite there.

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Speaker 4: But getting the very small taste.

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Speaker 5: I've got the British culture here in the attitude of people,

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Speaker 5: and there they seem like it's not like they're they

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Speaker 5: would get caught up on the stereotype of like cage

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Speaker 4: They just wear it on their sleeves.

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Speaker 2: You want to fight a cage go ahead, No, you

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Speaker 2: know what, I think it's it's now that you come here.

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Speaker 3: Now I think it is getting to that point.

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Speaker 2: But before you know, I think people were still kind

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Speaker 2: you know, I have a relationship with them, they're still like,

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Speaker 2: oh man, like how long are you going to be

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Speaker 2: got all those kind of questions. So yeah, it's still

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Speaker 2: slight negative. Yeah, and you know in MN, like how

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Speaker 2: Bluke looks.

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Speaker 4: At power Slap.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was there a more than slight yea, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you damn power slap.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 4: I think I think it's a is that insulting to

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Speaker 1: Especially like you who's got flashy offense and defense. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't get it.

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Speaker 2: I see random clips that come come upon like different

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Speaker 1: Pretty soon they're just gonna start handing each other hammers.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so you want to be an ultimate hammer.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's it.

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Speaker 1: That's it. When you're when you the last time you

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Speaker 1: fought here this was the Logan story. No, no, you

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Speaker 1: thought here for the like Perry fight.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, so I had the bad Nuckle fight, which

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Speaker 2: a you know, actual live band knuckle Believe there's a

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Speaker 5: I mean it's kind of like you know certain people

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Speaker 3: No, definitely, super definitely.

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Speaker 1: What was I mean looking back on it, what did

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Speaker 3: To be fair, I I enjoyed it.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't obviously didn't go the way I wanted it to,

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Speaker 2: but I just enjoyed. I think everybody kind of loved

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Speaker 2: it as much as it was. It's definitely its own

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Speaker 2: type of brutal. When you when you connect, you connect,

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Speaker 2: you feel every punch, every even if the punch grazes you.

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Speaker 3: It's different.

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Speaker 2: Even in the MMA Love it feels very different. It's

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Speaker 5: And when you share the airspace with somebody like Mike Perry,

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Speaker 5: I love Mike, Mike daddy evotion. I love that all right.

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Speaker 5: Did you grow to find any of that same love

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Speaker 5: because you guys had a wild, like adversarial then at

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Speaker 2: I like Mike Perry. It's hard not to like someone

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Speaker 2: like him. He just he's game. He's not you know,

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Speaker 2: sometimes you get the guys out, you know, their their trolls,

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Speaker 3: They can't really back it up.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's you know, he likes to be you know, funny,

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Speaker 2: he likes to make noise and sell a fight, but

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Speaker 1: Dude. We got told the wildest story about Mike Perry yesterday.

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Speaker 1: So we talked, do you know who Paul Craig is.

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Speaker 1: He's the two a fiver for the UFC from Scotland. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so he'll do the he'll do the brave Heart thing

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Speaker 1: and okay, so the me tell the experience here. As

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Speaker 1: it's like a Hollywood like, that's that's not real ship

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Speaker 1: it must have been real because the Scottish guy's right.

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Speaker 1: We talked to him about it. Do you know where

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Speaker 1: he got the idea from that? He ran into Mike

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Speaker 1: Perry in a hotel lobby and and Mike Perrys like,

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Speaker 1: that blue face thing and so so fucking Paul Craig

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Speaker 1: is like, dude, that's a brilliant idea. That's all Mike Ferry.

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Speaker 3: That makes sense to me.

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Speaker 2: That wouldn't even surprise me.

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Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, okay, yeah, that makes sense.

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Speaker 2: He's uh, he's.

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Speaker 3: A great cart, great carts.

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Speaker 2: He's two and.

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Speaker 1: I like that, but he is he is. And tell

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Speaker 4: Both the because he's in pro boxy so fo.

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Speaker 1: what what happened in there? From your vantage point? How

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Speaker 2: So it was the first round usually a feeling that process.

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Speaker 2: He just came all guns blazing, coming in and caught me.

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Speaker 2: I just made a silly mistake footwork wise, caught me

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Speaker 2: When I stood up, I was like, my legs are

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Speaker 1: But you had mental clarity just about just about yeah.

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Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, my legs are not with me

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Speaker 2: right now. I guess it's actually going to be a fight.

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Speaker 2: I can't make it technical and not be able to

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Speaker 2: So I was like, we're just gonna have to fight,

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Speaker 2: and it just felt like a bit more total to

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Speaker 2: I tried to count every now and again. I felt

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Speaker 2: like taking shots, landing shots.

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 3: It was bad technically from my.

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Speaker 2: Point, but I really couldn't figure anyway else out just because.

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Speaker 3: Of that early shot.

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Speaker 2: So I really set for the whole hundred and and honestly,

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Speaker 2: I personally feel if I didn't get caught so early,

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Speaker 2: it would it would have gone very differently. But even

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Speaker 2: in the last round, So when they've kind of announced that, yeah,

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Speaker 2: they're gonna do an extra round.

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Speaker 4: Did you remember that?

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Speaker 3: Was yeah, I remember them saying it.

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Speaker 2: I was like, it's never going to go that far,

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Speaker 2: and uh, so we get to you know, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: do another round. Everyone's cheering. I gone over to my corner.

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Speaker 2: I was like, I was like, gosh, I couldnot feel

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Speaker 2: my legs, and he looked at me. I was like, fuck,

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Speaker 2: your legs got there. Remember it's aular got there. And

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Speaker 2: I was like, Alexis, Yeah, he's the head shoot fighter coach.

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Speaker 2: Also got us training k sign now as well. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: and he's trained Zora David Hayes like just everybody. He's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what is your relationship to ks I?

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Speaker 3: He trains.

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Speaker 2: For me, it kind of makes it makes sense. I

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Speaker 3: Who any of these people are.

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Speaker 2: Definitely get get I just don't have a clue, But like,

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Speaker 4: They just they're not Michael Jackson level.

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Speaker 2: Come then one hundred percent is obsessive. And then like

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Speaker 1: There's a part two about the the Jake poll stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough. Yeah, that definitely makes sense. As you say,

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Speaker 3: I'm seeing him do it multiple.

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Speaker 3: I kind of like what he's talking about.

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Speaker 1: Why do some fighters get mad at him for that?

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Speaker 2: That doesn't make sense to me, because he's technically doing

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Speaker 5: So even if he doesn't mean it, and I don't

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Speaker 3: It's one hundred.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? You guys are because Francis

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Speaker 2: Gone that way as in for me as a you're

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Speaker 2: get washed and changed because in the evening they've got

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00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:04,040
Speaker 2: to stand on the door as a security guard, and

442
00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:05,919
Speaker 2: then they've got to do that till six in the morning,

443
00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,040
Speaker 2: sleep for a couple of hours to then get back

444
00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,080
Speaker 2: up and come and train with us again. And they're

445
00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,199
Speaker 2: doing that just sortying, but they've already made it, if

446
00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,560
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. They've made it to the

447
00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,840
Speaker 2: pinnacle of their career, and yet they're still having to

448
00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:19,879
Speaker 2: do all these kind of things. And I personally think

449
00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:21,760
Speaker 2: that's discussing. It shouldn't be that shouldn't be the case.

450
00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,800
Speaker 2: You'd never see an NFL player, football player, or basketball

451
00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:31,600
Speaker 2: player get to the the pinnacle and have to still

452
00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:35,440
Speaker 2: be working somewhere else just to keep doing what you love.

453
00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,439
Speaker 2: You keep doing your passion so you and then not

454
00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,119
Speaker 2: only have you got to the show, you've got to

455
00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,960
Speaker 2: the highest point of the show. You are the heavyweight

456
00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,520
Speaker 2: champion of the world, and you're complaining about finances. For me,

457
00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:51,840
Speaker 2: that's just it's a letdown for everybody, I think, and

458
00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:53,719
Speaker 2: I think these kind of stories shouldn't be coming out.

459
00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,000
Speaker 2: It's just it should just be like, yeah, no problem

460
00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,840
Speaker 2: was before you even complain about anything. This is all

461
00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,199
Speaker 2: sorted for you. I know the ins and outs. I

462
00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:05,440
Speaker 2: don't know the specifics on you know what he's getting

463
00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:09,199
Speaker 2: exactly and maybe other potential benefits, but yeah, there's a

464
00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,080
Speaker 2: lot that needs to be done better. And that's not

465
00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:12,480
Speaker 2: just UFC, it's everybody.

466
00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,400
Speaker 1: Do you feel satisfied with we'll just ask you out

467
00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:17,560
Speaker 1: right with your treatment in Bill tour.

468
00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I think it's I went for a phase

469
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,399
Speaker 2: and a lot of some people might have seen it

470
00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,640
Speaker 2: or not, but I had issues with them and then

471
00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:26,320
Speaker 2: they you know, we sat down with them and they

472
00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,960
Speaker 2: were like, okay, look next time, just come straight to us.

473
00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,280
Speaker 2: Spoke to them and then they rectified it.

474
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Speaker 3: So unfortunate.

475
00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,800
Speaker 2: I know not everybody's getting that treatment, and I also

476
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,520
Speaker 2: know there's other fighters that have complained still in my organization,

477
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,080
Speaker 2: but they're not as popular as me yet, so they

478
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:44,480
Speaker 2: you know, they have to guess they have to work

479
00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,119
Speaker 2: their way up. But again my point is, why are

480
00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,439
Speaker 2: you still having to hustle in the same way once

481
00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:50,040
Speaker 2: you're there?

482
00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:51,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, the systems, brother.

483
00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:52,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, the system doesn't work.

484
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,320
Speaker 2: I think you should there should be some format where

485
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:57,640
Speaker 2: you know, they get a little.

486
00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,639
Speaker 1: Bit more help, and you like to see a union.

487
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,840
Speaker 2: Oh, union would help everybody, but at the same time,

488
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,280
Speaker 2: it potentially could slow think certain things down, so there'll

489
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:07,760
Speaker 2: be a bit of a back and forth before you

490
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,240
Speaker 2: kind of find you know, the balance. But yeah, I

491
00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,480
Speaker 2: guess the union just protects us and they think we've

492
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:17,240
Speaker 2: seen it with like the likes of area Hawane getting

493
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 2: kicked out by Dana White and immediately put back in

494
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,880
Speaker 2: just because he has support elsewhere, and everybody's like, yeah,

495
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:26,399
Speaker 2: you know, if you're not if you're gonna kick him out,

496
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 2: then we're not coming.

497
00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:28,439
Speaker 3: All right, fine, we'll bring him back in.

498
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 2: It's just having that kind of support allows you to

499
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:35,399
Speaker 2: have a bit more negotiating negotiating power and it not

500
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 2: just be one sided.

501
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:36,879
Speaker 3: Because it is.

502
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,199
Speaker 2: And unfortunately there's there's times that I've seen, you know,

503
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,440
Speaker 2: if if somebody you know in the UFC or other

504
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 2: shows are unhappy about certain things, you can get cut

505
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:50,400
Speaker 2: as well. So again then potentially your next paycheck down

506
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 2: is very different to what you were getting there as well,

507
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 2: because you know, they dominate the majority of the sports,

508
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 2: so it's it's very different court for for fighters, you

509
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 2: have to be careful, you don't want to piss anybody off,

510
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 2: and you're always turning on eggshells while still hustling.

511
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:12,360
Speaker 1: We just yeah, that's the part too. It's like it's

512
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 1: a very hard it's a very difficult industry in which

513
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,640
Speaker 1: to be candid. Yeah, for all the people who claim

514
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,879
Speaker 1: they're tough guys, but it's really not the case. Like

515
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 1: they like, they get very upset with with with words.

516
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 1: It's kind of a contradiction, but it's.

517
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 2: True that they're tough in different apartments. So I think

518
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 2: the one thing that we don't talk about is that

519
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 2: just the mental side of just even getting to a fight.

520
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,919
Speaker 2: On the mental side during a fight, I've seen and

521
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 2: I'm sure loads of people are seeing it. You see

522
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 2: some of some of the most amazing athletes in your gym,

523
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 2: and they just struggle to transfer that when the lights

524
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 2: are on, you know what I mean, the crowds there

525
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 2: and lights on and all of a sudden, like you know,

526
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 2: deer in headlights, and they don't they struggle to get

527
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 2: over that. I'm fortunate to kind of the opposite. Yeah,

528
00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 2: I get lifted from that environment and when everybody's the same,

529
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 2: even when when when the COVID stuff happened, people you know,

530
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 2: how do you think it's gonna you know, it's gonna

531
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 2: affect people, I said, weird enough. I think we'll see

532
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 2: better fighters come out of it, because they'll go there,

533
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 2: I think it almost feeling like it's another training session. Sure,

534
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 2: and they'll probably perform better than when you know, when

535
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 2: there's a crowd then there's a bit more pressure, and

536
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 2: I feel like idea's a lot of people in a

537
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 2: lot of sports the same thing happened.

538
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 1: What's your makeup? What's your background? That lifts you? Because

539
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 1: I've seen it. It's funny right like with you, it

540
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 1: brings you alive to a degree. And you know what's funny.

541
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 1: I saw in wrestling there was a guy named Kyle

542
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 1: dak He's the only guy in in uh in inmate

543
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,679
Speaker 1: wrestling in college in the United States. He won the

544
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 1: national title in college all four years. But he did

545
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 1: it in a different weight class. Offers pretty impressive. Else

546
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 1: has ever done that. And dude, when you would see

547
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 1: the lights come on, dude, he was a different animal.

548
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 1: He had a twinkle in his eye. But so I've

549
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 1: seen it in striking guys. I've seen it in wrestling guys.

550
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 1: What is that?

551
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 5: Is it a negotiation with the anxiety? Because we're all human?

552
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 5: So is it just like, no, I'm in control.

553
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 4: Of this energy?

554
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 2: Not in the earliest stages. I wouldn't say that at all.

555
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 2: I think I was fortunate because the industry that I

556
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 2: was in before is like freestyle kickboxing, which is similar

557
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 2: to taekwondo or sport.

558
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 1: Karate once called it six thirty striking.

559
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, six thirty hands down.

560
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 2: So that style is is just a very chaotic industry,

561
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 2: and it kind of reminds.

562
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 3: Me of like the jiu jitsu world.

563
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 2: You go in there, it's just mats, just going on,

564
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 2: six seven mats and just everybody's moving around, the refs

565
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 2: are moving, everyone's shouting. It's just very messy. And I've

566
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 2: been doing that since I was five years old, so

567
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 2: I'm used to chaos. So for me, I had to

568
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 2: just learn just because of my circumstance being able to

569
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 2: perform in chaos.

570
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 3: And it got to the point where.

571
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 2: Because these are people that I travel with and see

572
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 2: week in week out, so you know, you're friends with

573
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 2: the coaches, your friends with referees, your friends with just

574
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 2: other competitors. So I might be in a in an

575
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 2: event and somebody calls my name, Michael, you know we

576
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 2: need you to coach this guy. Yeah, stand behind him,

577
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 2: coach next, Michael, can you referee this.

578
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 3: On this match? Yeah, no problem.

579
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 2: I jump on the on the mat, start refereeing. I

580
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 2: might like to just get called out my name because

581
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 2: I need to get ready to go and fight. And

582
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 2: imagine having to just rush around doing all that, and

583
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 2: then you've got to quickly rush, get change, quick warm up,

584
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 2: jump on the mat.

585
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 3: And perform.

586
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 2: So I had to get used to just turning on

587
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 2: in that moment.

588
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 5: And that's really interesting to hear how those muscles got formed.

589
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 5: That's I can see it now.

590
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

591
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's weird enough. It wasn't because I was

592
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 2: able to program myself almost like yeah, and I had to.

593
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 2: But I had to get used to that simply because

594
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 2: of what was going on prior to. And I always said,

595
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 2: I think because of that, I really genuinely I think

596
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 2: I could have the worst day craziness happened. I can

597
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 2: crash a car, jump out the car, get into the mat,

598
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 2: and still perform just because I have an on button

599
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 2: now that I'm just used to having to just press

600
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 2: and it's just through habit. Then I crossed over to

601
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 2: the MMA world, and it's weird. I always tell everybody

602
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 2: watched my first ever MMA fight just to walk out

603
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 2: because everybody knows me for me know, dancing and smiling

604
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 2: my first fight, I was like this, I was a

605
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 2: robot because I was shitting myself. I didn't I didn't

606
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 2: not like I. Obviously the coaches. I think the belief

607
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 2: that the coaches had in me and what I've seen

608
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 2: of them let me know that, Okay, I must be

609
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 2: good enough.

610
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 3: But this is not my world.

611
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 2: Still, this is my first m a fight, and I

612
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 2: was I was dying inside and my walkout literally faces

613
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,199
Speaker 2: straight as hell. I just like, I just want this

614
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 2: over and done with. I got to the cage and

615
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 2: again I'm just kind of like pacing around. I got everyone,

616
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 2: I got quite a lot of like following from the

617
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 2: kickboxing world, you know, screaming my name, and I'm just

618
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 2: I'm dying and I've never felt like this before, never.

619
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 2: And the bell went and I start fighting, and I

620
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 2: was like this the second aside buns and I was like, oh,

621
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 2: this is the same, this is the same, literally the

622
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 2: same button happened. Even as much as I had all

623
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 2: this pressure in me, it just disappeared in a second,

624
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 2: and then I had a viral knockout, you know what

625
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 2: I mean.

626
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 3: So for me, I was lucky enough to be in.

627
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 2: That grow in chaos, which allowed me to kind of

628
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 2: you know, okay, used to it.

629
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 5: So that that's your baseline then, and baseline man you

630
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 5: can handle the moment. You know how to act like

631
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 5: a star and sell yourself. But then there's levels to this,

632
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 5: and there's a level to be able to almost slow

633
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 5: it down. That's not the same basketball, they said, like

634
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 5: a Larry Bird could just much to see the action

635
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 5: so slow. So is it because of that strong foundation

636
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 5: that it's easy for you to jump into his zone

637
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 5: because you're as a striker, you're kind of like an

638
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,719
Speaker 5: artist like you, I know you care about winning more

639
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 5: than anything at the end of the day, but I

640
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 5: know you really care about leaving your mark in the

641
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 5: moment as an entertainer, like it's part of your mindset.

642
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 5: So like do you feel like you can almost just

643
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 5: float in and out of the zone and things just happen?

644
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 2: So I would say so the entertainment side of things

645
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 2: is both. I think the Caribbean background, we're all very louder.

646
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 2: We're like trying to get attention, like love to dance

647
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 2: and sing and this and that. So when you see

648
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 2: my if my family's here, like it's just noise, like

649
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 2: very festive, very festive. And I guess another you know

650
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 2: thing that I've been grown in when my dad used

651
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 2: to fight in the kit box and he was the

652
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 2: same used to put on the show dance and stuff

653
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 2: after kicking someone in the head.

654
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 3: So I've seen it as well.

655
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 2: But then also, like I said, imagine going to these

656
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 2: competitions and there's multiple different mats people used to compete,

657
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 2: so if you're fighting, not necessary. Even if I'm not

658
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: fighting the next top guy. If I'm fighting on area

659
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 2: one and he's fighting on Area three, I'm trying to

660
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 2: drag as many people over to my lap and he's

661
00:28:54,520 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 2: trying to do the same thing. It was weird y exactly,

662
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do some crazy kick over here. Everyone's like,

663
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 2: oh my god, and then rush over to your mat.

664
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 2: So that became a weird battle in itself, and it

665
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 2: got to the point for me where I was used

666
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 2: to do so much antics that the second I jumped

667
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 2: on the mat, the competition stopped because referees.

668
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 3: Wanted to see me fight as well. They're like time wait,

669
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 3: and just.

670
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 2: Then it would be like standing there, there'll be a

671
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 2: crowd around my mat and I'm like, yeah, I love that.

672
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 3: I want I want everything.

673
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: So that for me as well also helped with that

674
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 2: performance side of me, and I kind of I think

675
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 2: just I've spent years of people just trying to punch

676
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 2: and kick me.

677
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you tend to create these moments and even

678
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 5: if you don't land the moment that I watch you

679
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 5: differently than I watch other elite mixed martial artists.

680
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 4: So I said, I used to say this about the

681
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 4: Cuban boxers, right.

682
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 5: They believe in their craft so much that it's almost

683
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 5: are It is our to where if there's ever a

684
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 5: criticism ever of a Cuban boxer, it's like he's so

685
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 5: focused on on pain this picture that he should have

686
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 5: done this instead to win the fight.

687
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 4: They're artists. Do you walk around and feel like an

688
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 4: artist when you're in there?

689
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 3: One hundred percent? I don't.

690
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 2: I always, for a long time, forget that combat is

691
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 2: what I'm doing. It's I always forget that it's dangerous.

692
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,719
Speaker 2: It's only when I talk to when I say civilians,

693
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 2: like when they're asking me questions about your fighting and stuff,

694
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 2: and they you know, I forget that punching and kicking

695
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 2: people is not normal. But I've done it since I

696
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 2: was three years old, but it's not normal. So for me,

697
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 2: I'm not talking to them like, oh, yeah, I landed

698
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 2: this punching in their head. They're like, oh my god.

699
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 2: But I'm like, oh no, but it's a game, Like

700
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 2: in my head, I've done it for so long. It's

701
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 2: a game I used to punch and kick my brothers

702
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 2: and sisters that all used to compete with me as well,

703
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 2: and if I can hit them, sorry, but you.

704
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 3: Have no chance.

705
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite vibl knockout?

706
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 2: I think the Pokemon is probably just going to be

707
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 2: the one that is just.

708
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: Attributed to me.

709
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, attributed to me the most I've actually had a kid.

710
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 2: You're the poke on man.

711
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was the fallout from that?

712
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 2: Because there was so many things that happened in that time. Obviously,

713
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 2: the injury itself drew a lot of attention.

714
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: That was Yeah, I want to ask you about that

715
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: a minute.

716
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 3: The injury.

717
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 2: The injury itself drew a lot of attention, the the

718
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 2: jump knee drew a lot of attention, and then the

719
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 2: Pokemon celebration drew a lot of attention, and just all

720
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 2: three of those things at the same that obviously happened

721
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: in that moment.

722
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 3: It just went It went crazy.

723
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 2: But it's weird, Like I get similar to what I

724
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 2: spoke about earlier, about how people were a bit standing

725
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 2: offish about those things. So we were we had a

726
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 2: Nintendo like reach out to like I think it's paradigm,

727
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 2: and they're like, man, we got.

728
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 3: We know, we saw it. It was great.

729
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 2: So they're like, yeah, so how about we do some

730
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 2: work together. They're like, yeah, but it's a bit brutal

731
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 2: for our audience, and I was like, that's crazy, but

732
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 2: I kind of get it.

733
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 3: But then yeah, So.

734
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 2: It was just a lot of noise and kind of

735
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 2: I think a lot of fighters that maybe didn't respect

736
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 2: me at that time started to second guess themselves, and

737
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 2: I'm like, this got a yeah, we.

738
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: Injury. I want I thought about that injury like if

739
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: you didn't see you cracked his skull betually in a

740
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: few places at the very front right, and I remember

741
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: looking at the X rays and I thought to myself,

742
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: I was like, now the good news is he'll be okay.

743
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: B this is a very rare injury. Fact, I don't

744
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: think I've ever seen it since. But I thought to myself,

745
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, if this was a thing that

746
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: was like the imagine if you got in a fist fight,

747
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: you run the risk of every time that happening. Mma,

748
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: wouldn't be legal.

749
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 5: You couldn't have This was nearly faces of death will

750
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 5: allow this exception.

751
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: That's it. That's one of the most fucking insane injuries

752
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: I've ever said.

753
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 4: You know, when you hit it not at all.

754
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 2: So I when he because he got hit and turned

755
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 2: away from me, faced down.

756
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: Yes, he got kicked the mat with his he's kicking.

757
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 2: He was holding his face, so I assumed that I

758
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,239
Speaker 2: got his knows, so I knew he was like he's

759
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 2: because he's kicking, and like, I know you're not. You're

760
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 2: not doubt, You're just in pain. So I just thought, yeah,

761
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 2: you know. But even the sound when watching it back,

762
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 2: didn't sound.

763
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: Like that to sound like an egg being crushed.

764
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: It was like it was like the you know in

765
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 2: the home run that sound just went out. But I

766
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 2: didn't hear that in that moment. I just did the jump.

767
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 2: And another thing is I've landed knees before, and most

768
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: of the time I get a cut or I feel

769
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 2: bruised from the landing the knee. Nothing, So this must

770
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: have been the perfect connection. And like I said, like

771
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 2: one in the gazillion chants of this ever happening, Yeah,

772
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 2: it was.

773
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 3: It was weird. It was weird.

774
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: We worry at all, like I always the day after, yeah,

775
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: because it's it's like, obviously you feel for the fighter

776
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: who's injured, but I often feel for the guy who

777
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: fought the other guy because they're always like, dude, I

778
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: didn't like, I'm not trying to in this condition.

779
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 3: So the because I did.

780
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 2: Again, I didn't know that that evening, so my coach

781
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 2: said he saw it. He saw him when he was

782
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: walking out and didn't want to ruin my evening, so

783
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 2: he was just like, didn't tell me. The next day,

784
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 2: my sister sent me a picture of the picture that

785
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 2: he put out from hospital. So when she sent me

786
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 2: the picture, I started laughing because my family are full

787
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 2: of jokers, so I assumed that she edited the picture.

788
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 5: You guys, generation.

789
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:28,919
Speaker 3: I thought she edited the picture.

790
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 2: And she was like ha ha ha, look what you did.

791
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 2: And I was like, I started laughing. She's like, no,

792
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 2: this is he put the picture. This is serious. I

793
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 2: was like what. So I phoned my coach. She so

794
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 2: he's kind of confirmed it from Paradigm guys. So we

795
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 2: started to try to do things to raise money and

796
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 2: so on and so forth. Because I heard the teachers,

797
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 2: and but again, this guy is a man of all

798
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 2: Man's one. He checked himself at the hospital even though

799
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 2: he shouldn't have. I think he flew home as well, exactly.

800
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 2: Wasn't smart it to have the operation home and then

801
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 2: all the money that was raised, he gave it to

802
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 2: I think one of his charities. He's gonna get it.

803
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 2: He's like, I don't need money, and then gave gave

804
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 2: it away. So much respect to him as well, and

805
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 2: like I said, I'm happy to hear that. You know,

806
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 2: it wasn't a bad Obviously it was a bad injury,

807
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 2: but in terms of what happened afterwards, and he's completely fine.

808
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean that's a There may be the

809
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 5: moment when the highlight reel of m VP one Day

810
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 5: is finished that sticks out first because it was so crazy.

811
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 5: But dude, no disrespect to a guy I've always I've

812
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 5: always liked cave Man Rickles because it's a bad ad.

813
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 5: You You you did things to him that Anderson Silver

814
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 5: did the Forest Griffin. It was just like it was

815
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 5: a video game and you were the controller. And I

816
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 5: mean you talk about in the flow, in the moment,

817
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:48,479
Speaker 5: that's it, right.

818
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I definitely, there's yours you're always see in

819
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 2: a fight with me, Is it starts off from a

820
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 2: bit not course cautious. Yeah, I say cautious in terms of,

821
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 2: you know, I'm faking a lot. I'm moving and I'm

822
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: trying to read. I call it attaching strings. So I'll

823
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 2: fake my jab to see what hand or what leg

824
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,720
Speaker 2: twitches for you, and that's my string that I attached

825
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 2: to that. So if I twitch and that leg twitches,

826
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 2: are like, okay, you like to do this when I

827
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 2: do this, and I'll do it a couple of times

828
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 2: just to see, okay, oh yeah, you definitely you know

829
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 2: you're we're waiting for something when I do this, and

830
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 2: so the first minute.

831
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: I'm just going to.

832
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 2: So that's that's what I usually do in the earlier stages,

833
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 2: just to kind of work out what my opponent's looking

834
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 2: for as well.

835
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 4: You're playing Mary and Edda in your head. You're like,

836
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 4: I can make.

837
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 2: You do this, and then that's when when you start

838
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 2: seeing me, you know, shoulder rolling and like smile And

839
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 2: for me, I've attached all the strings I need and

840
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 2: now it's it's a case of how I'm going to

841
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 2: which what which what which move.

842
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 3: Am I going to assign to this?

843
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 4: Literally like looking, uh, what's that game?

844
00:36:58,920 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: Here? We go?

845
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 4: More combat alone. I do love Mortal mkay, you're doing.

846
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: It with your fingers because I don't play any video

847
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: games except Mortal Kombat. I'm gonna put else. Do you

848
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: have like a favorite Billator win for you? Because here's

849
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: why I bring it up, Like I wonder about the

850
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 1: Douglas Lima win because you did lose to him the

851
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 1: first time and you get the redemption in the second time.

852
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: It's been what it is that your last win? I

853
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: think it's pretty close right in m m A was it?

854
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 3: I think it was Derek. I can never remember.

855
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: But but in any case, yeah, is that is that

856
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: the most satisfying one to get that one back?

857
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 3: Yes? And no?

858
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 2: Really yeah, yes and no I got I think I

859
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 2: don't know if I can. I can be hard on myself,

860
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 2: but as much as I wanted, didn't get it the

861
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 2: way I wanted to get it. So it's a win,

862
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 2: and it's you know, it's great, but yeah, I I

863
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 2: wanted and I know I can get more in that situation.

864
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 2: So it wasn't like a There's been many a times

865
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 2: where I've won fights and come away pissed, like furious

866
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 2: at myself because I didn't do what I wanted to do.

867
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean I got to ask what happened

868
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 5: against Paul Daily It wasn't the fight we thought.

869
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

870
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, to be fair, that was quite shocking for me

871
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 2: in terms of what the game plan that he came out.

872
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 3: I think, annoyingly a.

873
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: Lot of wrestling.

874
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, he turned into a wrestler that day, but I

875
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 2: think annoyingly the potential of the million dollars made him

876
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 2: focus more on the money than this fight, this issue

877
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 2: that we've had for however long it was, so he

878
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 2: tried to cheat his way through. I was just game, like,

879
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 2: let's fight, let's just settle.

880
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 4: This an adult movie with only dialogue. It's like the

881
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 4: chicks have.

882
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 2: So yeah, that was annoying for me personally, and I

883
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 2: never liked to even make excuses. But I think we're

884
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 2: far enough away now. But I'm trying to think the

885
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 2: timing of it. I believe it is like three or

886
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 2: four months before my father passed away. And it was

887
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 2: weird because my coach even said to me, even after

888
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 2: the fight, I was trying to find any reason to

889
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 2: pull you out. But you were doing everything right in training,

890
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 2: in which I said to him the only reason I

891
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 2: was doing everything right in training is because that was

892
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 2: my piece, because if I had to go home, my

893
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 2: mind was just going crazy. So I was in the

894
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 2: gym or training and doing everything right. Weird thing is

895
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 2: second I got to the fight, I had nothing in

896
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 2: my head. I got there bell rings and I was blank.

897
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 2: Then he starts wrestling and I'm like, oh, I know

898
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 2: this made don't worry, and then he takes me down.

899
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 2: I'm like okay, and I can almost hear myself thinking

900
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 2: step by step, Okay, what do I need to do now?

901
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 2: And you can't be that slow in a fight. Yeah,

902
00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 2: it has to be reactionary. And I just scraped a win.

903
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 2: And I think it's more to do with the last round. Well,

904
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 2: first round he decided to just run, which was annoying,

905
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 2: but stupidly that gave me the round because I think

906
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 2: I only landed like to like a punch and a kick,

907
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 2: but he didn't do anything, and he was on the

908
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 2: back foot so that he kind of gave around the

909
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 2: way then kind of made it back up with a

910
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 2: lot of the wrestling. We had a couple of even

911
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 2: rounds and then the fifth round he made a mistake

912
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 2: and I ended up taking his back and then landing

913
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 2: a load of shots, and basically I finished the fifth

914
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 2: round on top. So you gave me around, You gave

915
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 2: me the fifth round. I only had to win one

916
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 2: round in between that, and I can't remember what round

917
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 2: they gave me. But yeah, I felt like the game

918
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 2: plan he came for was just stupid. He should have

919
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,720
Speaker 2: just tried to strike, like you put your best foot forward.

920
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 2: But for me, that also shows how intimidated he was

921
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 2: of me. I don't mean it like scared of me.

922
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,240
Speaker 2: I just mean like worried about me landing a flashy

923
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 2: knockout or knocking the million.

924
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: You didn't want to You didn't want to get memed.

925
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 2: He didn't want to get memed, but he also just

926
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 2: wanted to just sneak the go, focus more on the money.

927
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 2: And again disappointed for a lot of people, including myself,

928
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,479
Speaker 2: I wasn't in the right mind frame, But the fact

929
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 2: that I won that fight shows me that.

930
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 3: He if he actually just fought, he probably would knock

931
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 3: me out.

932
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 2: You think so, because well, the way I was, how

933
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 2: I feel about how I was.

934
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 3: In that fight. My mind wasn't It wasn't wasn't there.

935
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 2: So technically, if he just put his best foot forward,

936
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,439
Speaker 2: the lightniness is he probably could have just just won.

937
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 5: And this game is so unfair, and I'm sure you

938
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 5: you feel that as a public figure when are lowse

939
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 5: people coming at you. But it's like you beat Paul

940
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 5: Daily and you get criticized for you know, you got

941
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 5: lucky or you didn't deserve it, and then you fight

942
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 5: for the interim title and you know from your game

943
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 5: plan to how you defend it against Logan Storly to to.

944
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 1: You know, you get that was here in London, right.

945
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you get taken down, but you get back up,

946
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 5: you win the striking mom. That's a different scenario because

947
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 5: it comes down to judging criteria.

948
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 4: Which I feels like is all over the place.

949
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, judges to media members, fighters like no one really

950
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 5: knows what it is. I mean, I felt like you

951
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 5: took that like a gentleman and a sportsman. But that's

952
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 5: that's the game, right you could be the interim champion

953
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 5: right now. And it came down to judges interpretation of

954
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 5: whether he was active in the Guard, which I don't

955
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 5: think Logan was when he and I agree with you.

956
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 2: For me, this is the side that I guess people

957
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 2: haven't seen of me. Is like I said, when I

958
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 2: was in the kitboxing world, I used to get my

959
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 2: ass kicked weeking week out. We'll drive three hours down

960
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 2: to Manchester and drive all the way up to Scotland

961
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 2: and drive to this place in that place. Every single

962
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 2: weekend we were somewhere and I'm fighting all day or

963
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:49,760
Speaker 2: I get there and it's knockout. So you get there first, fight, lose,

964
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 2: and I have to sit down and just watch everybody.

965
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 3: Or my brothers and sisters still fighting.

966
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 2: And then I got to watch the adults going because

967
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 2: the kids went first, and we have to sit down

968
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 2: and watch the adults. And you know, we start the

969
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 2: day starts that evan of us getting picked up in

970
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 2: the morning, drive all three hours down to a competition

971
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 2: starting at ten, and then we're there till nine to

972
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 2: ten and have to drive all the way back. This

973
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 2: is every weekend. And seriously, those guys that I'd get

974
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 2: there and every time I saw them, I was like, shit, man,

975
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna.

976
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 3: Get my ass kicked.

977
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 2: And that was for at least four or five years

978
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 2: as a kid, but four or five years and it's

979
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 2: I think as a kid it was difficulty. Especially I

980
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 2: think a lot of the kids nowadays are too impatient.

981
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody would have stayed. I think I

982
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 2: stayed just because there's a family thing. But you know,

983
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 2: we're driving all the way up, you know, feeling good,

984
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 2: get there, I lose. Everybody comes back with medals on

985
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 2: their necks. I'm sitting there like this and I'm just

986
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 2: seeing cl mom grind.

987
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: Everyone's like slick rick.

988
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

989
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 4: Man.

990
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 2: My brothers and like my brothers and sisters, like older

991
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 2: brother sisters, they were really good from from young and

992
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 2: they would always get like place. My sister was really good,

993
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 2: my brother's really good. And I've got a lot of

994
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 2: the adults. So we had a team called London Predators.

995
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 2: They were unbelievable that people used to get. Yeah, just

996
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 2: seeing you in your uniform they did.

997
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 3: You know, everywhere we went made noise, but just not me.

998
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: Well, bro, do you watch Karate Kid? Like the TV show?

999
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:11,720
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1000
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's getting a bit samish now, but

1001
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 2: I still watch it.

1002
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't watch it because I don't find

1003
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,919
Speaker 1: the lives of teams interesting. Short of that, I wondered

1004
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 1: if you felt like a little watching it. This guy

1005
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: loves the lives of Tyrone.

1006
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 4: Willy plays sense Odell.

1007
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: It's a great there's a reason why Romeo and Juliette

1008
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 1: is Shakespeare. Don't give a ship about the life.

1009
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 5: You're saying Romeo would have ended up waiting in the

1010
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 5: diner that I go to.

1011
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: For the for the the waitress.

1012
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 4: She had her day though, and in her day.

1013
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 3: No.

1014
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 5: The spirit of my question, though which I didn't I

1015
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 5: said incorrectly, was like you get, you know, villainized, when

1016
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 5: you win a close fight people didn't love, and then

1017
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 5: you fight great against Logan.

1018
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 4: It could have actually won, and people are like that

1019
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 4: might be the best you.

1020
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 3: Think you had one And in the moment, yeah, I did.

1021
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: Before they announced yeah, and my coach was.

1022
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 2: Telling me kind of letting me know how things was

1023
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 2: going on. I knew it was gonna close. But in

1024
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 2: my head as well, I was like he hadn't done

1025
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 2: enough as well, even like when I was in like

1026
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 2: dangerous positions, Like even I was talking to him.

1027
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 3: During the fight, I was like, you can do better.

1028
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: Your face was not more.

1029
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 2: I wasn't yet nothing, nothing. And it's weird because even

1030
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 2: I don't know how he feels about I haven't spoken

1031
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 2: to him again afterwards, but there's pictures of him and

1032
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 2: like videos of him, and he looks so disappointed.

1033
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 3: Again.

1034
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 2: I've been disappointed winning, but in a different way. Not

1035
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 2: because it was close because I've made mistakes, but you know,

1036
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,320
Speaker 2: I still got a knockout or something. But I'm just

1037
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 2: disappointed in a couple of things that I could have

1038
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 2: done better.

1039
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 3: Him.

1040
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 2: He just seemed very even his speech after was like, well,

1041
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 2: what do you expect me to do? Is m VP?

1042
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna stand in front of it like he

1043
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 2: he kind of lost his ship. But yeah, for me,

1044
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm not shy of losing fights. You know,

1045
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 2: I'm good at what I do, which is why I

1046
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 2: win more than I than I lose. But loss is

1047
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 2: a loss.

1048
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 5: You could obviously grew up in that that that's just

1049
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 5: the environment. And the amateur wrestlers say it when they

1050
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 5: went to tournamental. You know, I used to lose in

1051
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 5: you have to get sports.

1052
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: Were the best fight the best, Like, dude, the best

1053
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: lose like I'm sorry, they just lose.

1054
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 2: And it's just you are the bad amount on this

1055
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 2: day doesn't beat you right, just means you today you

1056
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 2: are the bad.

1057
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: People who don't watch that. The other the combat sports

1058
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: where there's lots of competitional they don't understand. Like do

1059
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: you look at Jordan Burrows, like the most decorated American

1060
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: wrestler ever, Dude, I've seen him get Absolutely it just

1061
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: is inevitable.

1062
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 5: So if there was any question that m VP's desire

1063
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 5: to win a title was, you know, stopped at all

1064
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 5: with the tight loss of Storly, You're coming right back

1065
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 5: against March the March tenth and for people that no, no,

1066
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 5: there's the two fights and the Grand Prix that are

1067
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 5: going to be in theresponder macolm Madoff is going to

1068
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 5: take on a lot of the interesting fights up and

1069
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 5: down that card. Now we add that fight to the card.

1070
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 5: So look, he's coming off a very impressive knockout.

1071
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: Which I did not think he was going to do.

1072
00:46:55,840 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 5: But he also does like fun ship and guys, I

1073
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 5: do fun Ship that are coming together and oh, by

1074
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 5: the way, so he's going it's probably a number one

1075
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 5: contenders for you. Are you thinking like, man, we can

1076
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 5: make some fireworks and I can get back to the

1077
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 5: title here.

1078
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, So again, just I always say anybody that thinks

1079
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, lost interest after losing to Douglas Sliema,

1080
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 2: I fought five times, and after every single time, I'm like,

1081
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 2: I want to fight again. I want to fight again.

1082
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 2: I want to fight again. I would just call them out.

1083
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 2: They they wouldn't give it to me as like cool,

1084
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 2: give me another fight immediately for five times in one year,

1085
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 2: just to get back to what I needed to do.

1086
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 2: After that fight, I was like, when am I fighting again?

1087
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 2: Because I'm trying to get back same same attitude. They

1088
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 2: were like, unfortunately, we don't have the space on this

1089
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 2: the shows that we have come in. It's not gonna

1090
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 2: be a little while, which is why they gave me

1091
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 2: the opportunity to fight bare knuckle, just to kind of

1092
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 2: because they know I'm just gonna be sitting there bugging,

1093
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 2: bugging them every day, so like, let's let him do something,

1094
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,959
Speaker 2: you know, while we're sort of stuff out over here.

1095
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 2: Now it's time for me to get back, and it's

1096
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 2: the same attitude, it's going to be different.

1097
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 3: I kind of not that I didn't.

1098
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 2: I didn't expect him to knock him out like that,

1099
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 2: but I kind of did expect there both there too.

1100
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 2: Jiu jitsu starts to can sit each other out, and

1101
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 2: it was going to be more of a striking thing.

1102
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of stuff that I've seen with

1103
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 2: NeiMa Grace. I don't rate his striking. He kind of

1104
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 2: goes he's aggressive and throws big shots, but it's just

1105
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 2: very predictable. It's not there's no real combinations and things

1106
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 2: that put together well in my opinion, Yeah, no, But

1107
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 2: so it didn't shock me. I was shocked in a knockout,

1108
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 2: but I didn't shock me that he you know, he

1109
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 2: won the fight.

1110
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:47,240
Speaker 1: He stood there and like his head budded Neeman Gracie's

1111
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 1: on purpose like that, and then polished him off. Yeah,

1112
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: this is the guy that thought, if I'm wrong, us

1113
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: F one forty five exactly. So he's knocking out a

1114
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 1: true one. Is at the biggest one seven year I've

1115
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: ever seen. But he's he's not.

1116
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 4: He could take it for a while to.

1117
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, just a tough guy. I was. I was impressed.

1118
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: I was surprised, No, definitely.

1119
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 2: And the thing is, I'm sure, I'm sure he's got

1120
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 2: the most submissions in Belay, the most. So he's like

1121
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 2: you said, he's that's where he's going to be best

1122
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 2: with Nimon Gracie. It's probably smart for him to be, like,

1123
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 2: there's no reason for me to see who's better at

1124
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 2: jiu jitsu. We can do that in the mat suwhere

1125
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 2: here it's about winning the fight. And yeah, that's why

1126
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,919
Speaker 2: I thought would cancel out. It seemed more like Niman

1127
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 2: wanted to kind of take him down and he was

1128
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 2: just being defensive.

1129
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 5: But we kind of have a final four now because

1130
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 5: whoever comes out of you and Chi and we're going

1131
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 5: to get the rematch now, the unification with your slav

1132
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 5: Amazov the unbeating champion, and of course Logan story maybe

1133
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:54,919
Speaker 5: with your in the room belt, depending on which side

1134
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 5: of the line you're on, who comes out of that fight.

1135
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 5: We've seen it already and that felt was really good

1136
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 5: the first time around.

1137
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 1: Almost three rounds though, three rounds.

1138
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 5: And I don't want to like Amazon has been off

1139
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 5: for a long time and he's been doing things that

1140
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 5: are different than training for fights, and we respect that,

1141
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 5: but like we're asking him to come right back and

1142
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 5: fight Logan storly, how do you sort of handicap this one?

1143
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 2: I think Logan my other slight advantage from their first fight.

1144
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 2: To be fair, I myself defended very well because I'm

1145
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 2: sure it's like something ridiculous, like he only got taken

1146
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 2: down three.

1147
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: Times, not even I think it was twice of.

1148
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 2: Like fourteen, So he knows how to defend. But it

1149
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 2: did burn him out. Yes, So what we're saying is

1150
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:45,240
Speaker 2: in the fourth and fifth round, can does logan stories

1151
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 2: to have the energy to keep shooting, right, because we've

1152
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 2: seen off the three rounds that he was dead as well,

1153
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 2: but I think both of them were.

1154
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 3: So it's a it's a difficult.

1155
00:50:59,200 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 2: One to call.

1156
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: You're thirty five, You've probably got some time left to

1157
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: do some good work. What do you want to do?

1158
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: What's what's important to you? What? What do you what

1159
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: do you want to achieve with the time you have

1160
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: remaining as a uh in some of the best form

1161
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: of your career.

1162
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 3: I do want to box again, probably with clubs on

1163
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 3: this time.

1164
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mike, I kind of say, like, I thought you

1165
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: were gonna win that one, but then when Mike Perry

1166
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: edged it out, I was like, Okay, here's what worked

1167
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: against you, right, dude? That ring is so small a

1168
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: guy like you needs room to duck and dodge and

1169
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: move and pivot. You just had no room. There's a circle.

1170
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: It's too it's not it's not.

1171
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 2: It's a circle, but the ropes don't go all the

1172
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 2: way back to the edge of the circle. So the

1173
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 2: platform itself is actually quite big. But then it's like

1174
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 2: a let's say, if this is the edge of the platform,

1175
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 2: the ropes start here.

1176
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it just when you actually get in you're like, oh,

1177
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 3: ship is.

1178
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:55,399
Speaker 1: Tight.

1179
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1180
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 2: So yeah, I definitely didn't didn't favor me in that moment.

1181
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 2: I would know he's as an excuse. I know, if

1182
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 2: you know, if for us to do that again, I

1183
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:06,479
Speaker 2: know I can figure it out.

1184
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 3: That's not so.

1185
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 5: There's not like going to be a three fight series

1186
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 5: with Mike Perry one reel boxing will b KFC one

1187
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 5: mm A.

1188
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 2: I like that though, which way, Yeah, that's what I'm saying

1189
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 2: that he's game every every single time.

1190
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 5: So okay, But when he asked you, what else do

1191
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 5: you want to accomplish? You win this fight, you could

1192
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 5: be fighting for.

1193
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 4: For the full title?

1194
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 5: Is that like still the day one, Like we mentioned,

1195
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 5: we talked to Paul Craig and one of the big

1196
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 5: things he told us was like, who said was Arnold?

1197
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 4: Who said it.

1198
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, if I don't win a title, Mike,

1199
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: everything I've done is a waste.

1200
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 3: He's a great fire, he's a great fighter.

1201
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: As a spectator.

1202
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't.

1203
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 2: I personally don't agree because I always look at I

1204
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 2: think unfortunately people do look at your medals and your

1205
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 2: accas that you do get on the way that justify

1206
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 2: how good you are. But then you have the exceptions

1207
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 2: if you have people that just look at the sport

1208
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 2: and the talent. In football soccer, there are players that

1209
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,479
Speaker 2: unfortunately when they went to specific teams and the teams

1210
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 2: just didn't win, but they themselves transformed that team and

1211
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 2: that person is an unbelievable player.

1212
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 3: But because he.

1213
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 2: Doesn't have all the medals and the things to go

1214
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 2: along with it, people are like, oh, he's definitely better

1215
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 2: because he's got you know, five champions leagues and this

1216
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 2: and that, and I don't.

1217
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 3: I don't agree with that.

1218
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 2: I think you can if you can, if you're just

1219
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 2: watching and paying attention to talent, you can you can

1220
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 2: see talent. But for me, on Peru win this fight,

1221
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 2: I definitely want to beout, you know. I think it's

1222
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 2: it's nice to be able to just say you. You've achieved,

1223
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:47,959
Speaker 2: so that's the goal. And like I said, I would

1224
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 2: like to also lean into boxing again. I would love

1225
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 2: to take it seriously though, like without people complaining about me,

1226
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 2: just go in there and actually push to try and

1227
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:00,399
Speaker 2: get some big fights in boxing as well.

1228
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: You're really more interesting fighters who never fought in UFC.

1229
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: I wonder you feel about that, Like, doesn't seem like

1230
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: it was really ever necessary for you. Some guys would

1231
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 1: have been more necessary for than others. You know, Michael

1232
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: Chandler didn't go to UFC till like the last chapter,

1233
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: it's made a lot of it. He spent most of

1234
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: his time in Beltzer. How do you feel about never

1235
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,839
Speaker 1: having competed there? Yeah, I don't.

1236
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 2: I don't.

1237
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 3: I don't see it as anything big.

1238
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 2: Again, as you were saying about decisions, is a decision

1239
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 2: that I made at earlier that you know what I'm

1240
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 2: getting here, and you know, me supporting this show as

1241
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 2: well was important to me. I feel like I was

1242
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 2: making enough noise myself. There are one hundred percent there

1243
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 2: is always fights. I always look at that like, oh man,

1244
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 2: it'd be it'd be nice to fight against this guy

1245
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 2: and you know, try my skills against this guy, so

1246
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 2: there's definitely fights. I would guess I would have liked to,

1247
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 2: you know, have have made over.

1248
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 3: There, but I think it's just part of my journey,

1249
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 3: is what it is.

1250
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: I want to made the mistake because I saw a

1251
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: picture with you with Israel. I gotta say his last

1252
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 1: name wrong, so I thought he was And that was

1253
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 1: the weekend he walked out for the fight. Was it

1254
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: Anthony Joshua somebody else? I forget the third one, but

1255
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: that was for some reason. I also thought like, well

1256
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: he saw MVP, so he must be Nigerian as well.

1257
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,399
Speaker 1: You are not right? Your family is from where?

1258
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 3: Like we're Jamaica and Trinidad.

1259
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 1: And how often do you get back there?

1260
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 3: Oh?

1261
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 2: Quite regular Well obviously the last time Jamaica was before

1262
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 2: the lockdown, and the last time in Trinidad was not

1263
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,240
Speaker 2: too long ago. I think it was last year. Yeah,

1264
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 2: so I go, I go back and forth. But we

1265
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 2: done my ancestry and it's by way of.

1266
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: Ghana, okay, but way have gone.

1267
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so I go back. I went to Ghana

1268
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,479
Speaker 2: two years ago Christmas, I'm going again.

1269
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 1: In Ghana is like actively recruiting people to to move home.

1270
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 3: They sent Yeah is beautiful making.

1271
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: A picture African Americans.

1272
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, incredible boxing culture.

1273
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,399
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, I actually yeah yeah.

1274
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 2: I spat some of the guys over there as well.

1275
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 2: There's a guy, famous guy over there called a Zooma Nelson.

1276
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I went to his house. Yeah, he went

1277
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 2: to his house. You know, got invites to his house.

1278
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 2: He's got a gym in his house. He's trying to

1279
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 2: train with some of the guys that trained there with him.

1280
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 3: It was cool, it was cool, cool.

1281
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: I read it.

1282
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 2: I have to say, I just fell in love with

1283
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 2: the place as soon as I got there. It just

1284
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 2: felt like I was like, this is home.

1285
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: I gotta say. Jamaican champions right now, Leon Edwards Jamaican Champion,

1286
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: man Al Jamaine Sterling Jamaican champion. Yeah. And you see

1287
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 1: Jamaica in the track and fields of the Olympics. It's

1288
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,879
Speaker 1: time to get busy. There's some athletic talent that comes

1289
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: out one.

1290
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 3: Hundred percent, undred percent.

1291
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:45,359
Speaker 2: I think Jamaica is always on the map somewhere, but

1292
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 2: for some reason, whether it be music, Biggie and.

1293
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:49,919
Speaker 1: W W, he's Jamaica. Yep.

1294
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 5: I saw when I was at a resort, they had

1295
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 5: like a picture of all famous people with Jamaican family descent,

1296
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 5: like athletes, entertainers, and there this giant picture him like.

1297
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you met Usain Bolt, right, Yes, my son

1298
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 2: had almost like a make a wish type thing.

1299
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 4: His wish was because he's been battling.

1300
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 5: A lot of physical health and terrible palsy, and his

1301
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 5: wish because my son runs on the middle school high

1302
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 5: school cross country teams.

1303
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 4: He looks at Usaint Bold.

1304
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 5: As the ultimate, you know, and we ended up getting

1305
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 5: a chance to meet him and just haven't met myself.

1306
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 5: But the guy that like shows you his real hard

1307
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 5: like it's a real dude. You know, it's just a

1308
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 5: good dude.

1309
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: Also another showman.

1310
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent everyone, you know, just for

1311
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 2: the ten seconds that he's running for. It's just like

1312
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 2: everybody wants still found away.

1313
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 4: I mean he was like so far ahead of people

1314
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 4: he can look over the shower.

1315
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1316
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 5: Remember when Ben Johnson took all the steroids in eighty

1317
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 5: eight and he.

1318
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 4: Was like turned around. Carl Lewis was like at the

1319
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 4: starting block.

1320
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 5: Still, it's like that with you saying I get to

1321
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 5: ask you because you know, when my wife and I

1322
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 5: argue you should be like you missed your calling in life.

1323
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 4: You should have been a gross defense lawyer who doesn't

1324
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 4: listen to facts and just keeps You.

1325
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 5: Know, do you feel like with your competitiveness and athleticism

1326
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 5: that if you had picked a different a different sport

1327
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 5: or passion, that.

1328
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 4: It could have gone the same way.

1329
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 2: So I'll say yeah, because everything that I seemed to

1330
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 2: touch physically I do well at. I got into basketba

1331
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 2: when I was younger, but done extremely well. Football done

1332
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 2: extremely well, Cricket done extremely well. I went skiing on

1333
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 2: a ski trip that's a ske trip with the school

1334
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 2: and the actual coach there. I was like, would you

1335
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 2: want to train for the Olympics. I was like, no,

1336
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 2: I like skiing, but he was like, man, you're really good,

1337
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 2: and like I picked things. When it comes to like

1338
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 2: just movement, I pick it up really well. So I

1339
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,439
Speaker 2: always always kind of excelling these things. But I think

1340
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 2: it's just martial arts are just because it was just

1341
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 2: so close to home in my heart family. It was

1342
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 2: always something that I'd never never switch. So I'd be

1343
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 2: playing football and I get bored, and I'd be doing this.

1344
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 2: I get bored doing this.

1345
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 3: I get bored.

1346
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 2: But always in between all of those things I'm always

1347
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 2: doing martial arts. One thing my dad said when when

1348
00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 2: when I was younger, was so, your training and school,

1349
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 2: what are the two things you can't negotiate. You have

1350
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 2: to go you don't have to compete, you just have

1351
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,919
Speaker 2: to train for the discipe. You just have to train.

1352
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 2: You never I get it now, but I never explained

1353
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 2: at the time. It's just like and even when he

1354
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 2: kept saying, remember, guys, you don't have to train, you

1355
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 2: don't have to compete, I was like, why are you

1356
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 2: telling you that we love competing.

1357
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 3: I don't know why he keeps telling us this.

1358
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, that those are the two things that non negotiable.

1359
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 2: School you have to go to and training you have

1360
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 2: to go to. So when I got in trouble, and

1361
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 2: like if I got in trouble doing anything, my.

1362
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 3: Mom was not like we get annoyed. She's like, you're

1363
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 3: not going to training.

1364
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 2: Today's like no, no, no, let him go training. I get

1365
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 2: my ass kicked. I knew anytime I'm even questioning making

1366
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 2: a bad decision, I was like, I gotta go training

1367
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 2: this week. I forget it.

1368
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: I leave it. Your mom like she got overruled. When

1369
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 1: dad was like training.

1370
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 2: But just because she kind of she trusted him enough

1371
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 2: with the martial arts side to know that I was

1372
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 2: gonna get punished anyway. So I'll be sitting there like

1373
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 2: in horse riding starts for blood, the ages, shaking.

1374
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 3: And quivering because we started.

1375
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 2: The actual thing I started in was Laugar kung fu,

1376
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 2: so that's the first thing that we did. By the

1377
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 2: competitions with kickboxing competitions. So yeah, a lot of our

1378
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 2: trainings that really traditional old school style training.

1379
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 3: So yeah, it was it was pain.

1380
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 4: So you did get to see you become a star.

1381
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.

1382
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 1: I mean if your dad fought kickboxing, yeah wow.

1383
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 4: How proud was he? Like that?

1384
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: Dads don't do that, Like when you meet most kids.

1385
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 1: What does your dad do? He's a carpenter.

1386
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah, he fought and for for years that

1387
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 6: became his passion because he was doing electrician beauty, doing

1388
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 6: the BT phone lines back back then and he just

1389
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 6: dropped everything.

1390
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 3: His mom needly killed him.

1391
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, I dropped everything, So we're gonna do

1392
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 2: is gonna start teaching kickboxing?

1393
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 1: Which which of your which of your family moved from

1394
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: the islands here?

1395
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 2: So both of them, So we didn't love my mom movies.

1396
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they were.

1397
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 2: My mom was six, I think when she came over.

1398
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 2: I think my dad was a little bit older when

1399
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 2: he came over. Weirdly enough, there was a something I

1400
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 2: actually want to talk about with at some point. But

1401
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 2: there's a weird community back in the day in the

1402
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 2: UK of Caribbeans that was drawn to kung fu films.

1403
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 2: So basically a thing called late night cinema and after

1404
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 2: they showed the commercial cinema, like the commercial movies or

1405
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 2: Hollywood movies and stuff, it would then show a load

1406
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 2: of like kung fu films, and for some reason, the

1407
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 2: Caribbean community was just drawn to that and they'd go

1408
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 2: and go late night watch the film come out, thinking

1409
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 2: that they could do all the different moves that they've seen.

1410
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 2: But then they would go to seek out classes and

1411
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 2: it became a thing. So my mom came over because

1412
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,439
Speaker 2: she didn't know anybody, her older cousin Stan Brown, who's

1413
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 2: actually a master kung fu artist. She was like, ah,

1414
01:01:58,040 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 2: can I just come to class of youth? So I

1415
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 2: guess it's like a social for her, like, you know,

1416
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 2: I get to meet people and so on and so forth,

1417
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:04,919
Speaker 2: and you know, they would go out to cinema stuff,

1418
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 2: and that's when she met my dad. My dad was

1419
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 2: trained and understand brown and then obviously she got into herself.

1420
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 3: She used to compete and fight.

1421
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 1: And mom too.

1422
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, you start when you're three and your dad's an

1423
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 5: ex fighter or maybe a current one at the time.

1424
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 5: So what do you what had started you getting over

1425
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 5: the average kid? You're getting like discipline, toughness, knowledge, you know,

1426
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 5: at such a young age.

1427
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 2: And that's why he said, That's why he said he

1428
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 2: wanted me to do. And I think this is why

1429
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 2: I was so adaptable to going. When I was used

1430
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 2: to break dance, I did. Like I said, football is

1431
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 2: that everything that I went into I picked up really quickly.

1432
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 2: But I think it's because I had a coordination and

1433
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 2: strength from a young age. I could. I was just

1434
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 2: adaptable to to absolutely anything that was in front of

1435
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 2: me physically.

1436
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 5: So no football culture is able to get you into

1437
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 5: into the soccer pitcher.

1438
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 2: So weird enough, I had again, So I started off

1439
01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 2: with I think it was a QPR youth team. Then

1440
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 2: it was full of yeah. Then yeah, follow used and

1441
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 2: I played for some Eagles. I did quite a few

1442
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 2: bits in football, just didn't push myself enough. Even when

1443
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 2: I went to a friend of my mom's, her and

1444
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 2: her daughter went used to She used to have her

1445
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 2: daughter doing private tennis lessons, and she was like, oh,

1446
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 2: there was a couple of days where she could bring

1447
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 2: a friend if she wanted to. I was her friend,

1448
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 2: so she's like, here you can go. I went and

1449
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 2: smashed all the kids that these guys have been training

1450
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 2: every single day. I've had no technique, and I'm just

1451
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:39,439
Speaker 2: like whacking this ball back and then I just got

1452
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 2: rushing over to the other side whacking this ball back

1453
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 2: and smashing them. And the guy was one of the

1454
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 2: coaches that was really interested in me. But my mom

1455
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 2: didn't have the money for us to continue doing that

1456
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. So but yeah, I just picked things up,

1457
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 2: pick things up, and it has one hundred percent. I

1458
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 2: attribute all of it to the martial arts training I

1459
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 2: did when I was younger.

1460
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 1: Just sort of a side note. There's a I think

1461
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 1: it's on the Showtime documented about the Wu Tang clan.

1462
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: Yeah you ever seeing it? Yeah? Yeah, they talk about

1463
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 1: like in the eighties and the nineties, Like you hear

1464
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 1: if you listen to any of the thirty six chambers,

1465
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 1: they have all those samples from the Kung Flu movies and.

1466
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 3: How there was one of my favorites as well.

1467
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 1: Right, and you look at like you look at all

1468
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 1: the you know, like the black Spotation movies that came

1469
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 1: out at the same time, all the Kung Flu influences.

1470
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: It's interesting that you said the Caribbean film ceary out

1471
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 1: into it because if there was something similar happening in.

1472
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 2: The kay cotmembers speaking, I think it's Renata I was

1473
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 2: speaking to and he was telling me that his dad

1474
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 2: exactly the same thing. There's funny culture of things back then.

1475
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 2: But he he got into karate, not kung fu. But

1476
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 2: still they just wanted to do some form of martial

1477
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 2: art and uh, I think he was.

1478
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 3: He did taekwondo or something.

1479
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, by the way, it's kind of like an acrobatic

1480
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 1: martial arts. Guy, do you have a favorite martial arts movie?

1481
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 2: It's It's Hot to Why is the answer of the Raid?

1482
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 2: I love the Raid though, come on, I amazing And

1483
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 2: even Ray two.

1484
01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 1: With the hammers. Oh my god, I've.

1485
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 2: Never said this is especially over here. People don't applaud

1486
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 2: in cinemas. Everyone trying to be polaxed. Yeah, there was

1487
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 2: I think there was two moments in that film where

1488
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 2: everyone after the fight scenes, everyone was just like it

1489
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 2: was so instinctive.

1490
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 3: No one can help it.

1491
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 2: It was like, what the hell did I just watched

1492
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 2: they were.

1493
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 4: Star Wars episode seven.

1494
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 5: Other bit I was seriously because I just needed to

1495
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 5: get that the prequels.

1496
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 3: But exactly that.

1497
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 2: So, yeah, I find epic film, but I love the

1498
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 2: I think I'm just drawn to a lot of the

1499
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 2: traditional arts. So the thirty six Chambers of Shaolin one

1500
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 2: of my favorites. Tai Chi Masters jently is one of

1501
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 2: my favorites. I think they call it because they have

1502
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 2: different titles sometimes. I think Masters is also called Twin Warriors,

1503
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 2: so something. They have different titles. Massive Jackie Channel fan,

1504
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 2: so a lot of.

1505
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 3: A lot of his films.

1506
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 2: I was like obsessed, obsessed with so him John Clod

1507
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 2: back in the day as well. The Cigar No, I can't.

1508
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 2: I'm not a fan of he.

1509
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 5: Sucks his Okay, yes, the rest of his career. Never

1510
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 5: I'm not talking about the one where they went to

1511
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 5: Alaska with the spilled oil.

1512
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 4: That one was weird, but every other one in the prime.

1513
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 1: You know what.

1514
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 2: You know what annoyed me about seeing Saga is he

1515
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 2: could go get into a car crash explosion like jump

1516
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 2: out a plane, and his hair was perfect every single time,

1517
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 2: not no dirt on his body, nothing, But everybody that

1518
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 2: he was in the scene with was just completely fucked up.

1519
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 2: I was like, this guy's crap man, Like.

1520
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 1: Judj LeBell made himhip himself. So that's all sory. No,

1521
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 1: you don't know, that's sorry, No, dude, they were on

1522
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 1: the set of a movie and I guess there was

1523
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 1: some kind of conflict. D Juno Jean LeBell is he's

1524
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 1: dead now, but.

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Speaker 5: Like in this day, is there an argument and a

1526
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 5: bet that that thought he couldn't.

1527
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 1: Be choked out?

1528
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1529
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, that there was someone that said they couldn't couldn't

1530
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 1: put it on him. Judo Jean LeBell did it and

1531
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 1: put his ass to sleep on the movie, said was

1532
01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 1: multiple witnesses to it.

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01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 2: I'm I don't believe him as even as a martial

1534
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 2: artist personally, but hey, he.

1535
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 4: Tried to in that front. Yeah, even that, I thank him.

1536
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 2: I hate all of that, but yeah, he's made a career.

1537
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 1: And he just dresses like Rosie o'donald.

1538
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 5: It's more kind of like a badass, but like he's

1539
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:26,560
Speaker 5: just like nuts with his band doing solo, become a

1540
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 5: cop for a while, Like he's living chasing, chasing.

1541
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 1: Bale jumpers.

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01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's not not him, Yeah, unfortunately, but yeah, loads

1543
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 2: of loads of old school films. I was raised on

1544
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 2: absolutely five Deadly Venoms is one of the reasons why

1545
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 2: a friend of mine called me venom as well.

1546
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 1: Is that right? Yeah?

1547
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 4: All right.

1548
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 5: So when John Claude van Dam walked into the cage

1549
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 5: and gave Ward Brendan Ward and gave him an awkward

1550
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 5: hug afterwards.

1551
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 4: We're like, yeah, yeah, the first one.

1552
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 2: He watched the clips afterwards, so I never got to

1553
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 2: see see I didn't know he's there. That's cool, that's cool.

1554
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 1: His hair was looking a little weird. Look, you know,

1555
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 1: I don't think it's as brown as it looks.

1556
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 5: With that movie where he became a hockey goalie sudden death,

1557
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 5: that was pretty cool.

1558
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 1: That's terrible. Uh, people don't have much time less, So

1559
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 1: one question that what I wanted to get to was

1560
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 1: your career has kind of been looked at as like, oh,

1561
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 1: we've got a guy who's got this unusual style. Could

1562
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 1: this be a new thing that gets picked up more

1563
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 1: in MMA, And it hasn't really been too much. Robert

1564
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: Whittaker has some elements and style, but he's got a

1565
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 1: lot of the thing and maybe that's it, right. Is

1566
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 1: Robert Whitaker the future in the sense that like, no

1567
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:35,519
Speaker 1: one's going to really have your style. Wonder Boys get

1568
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 1: a little bit of it as well, But I think

1569
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 1: people might take things from it, like how is your

1570
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:44,320
Speaker 1: the stuff striking you come from? Will you see more

1571
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 1: influence of it? Just will be very style depending how

1572
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 1: do you see the future of it?

1573
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 2: So actually posted a clip weird enough of KSIs Lost.

1574
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 1: Knockout on Instagram.

1575
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and again it is just, uh, it was

1576
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 2: nice because even the responses and what people are saying.

1577
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 2: But it's nice to remind of what I have brought

1578
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 2: to the table. Whether everybody takes it or not is

1579
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 2: one thing. There's a lot of young kids that I

1580
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 2: know come from my sport as well, that are now

1581
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 2: training in our gym. So I know eventually it will

1582
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 2: you know, it will creep back up again. Yeah, and

1583
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 2: you see it even like nor but the venue a

1584
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:18,599
Speaker 2: lot of his styles now is bouncing and a lot

1585
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 2: of the guys in my gym they're moving.

1586
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 3: How you know.

1587
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:25,639
Speaker 2: Where I come from? We I've actually brought some guys

1588
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 2: from the points world into into shoot fighters and aspiring

1589
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 2: with some of the guys, and like, I did not

1590
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 2: expect them to move like how we moved. I thought

1591
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 2: that was going to be our advantage, you know, be

1592
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 2: able to be the struggle to kind of find us.

1593
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 2: But I think I've brought something to the table, at

1594
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 2: least over here. Anyway, I know people it will continue

1595
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 2: and certain people will pick up sting and attribute Yeah

1596
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 2: I can do it, you know, on percent, but it's

1597
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:53,480
Speaker 2: even at a basic level, it's it's effective.

1598
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 3: It's affected.

1599
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:58,720
Speaker 2: People struggle to understand the bounce and the rhythm of it.

1600
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 2: So even if they don't, you take away all the

1601
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 2: flashiness and it's just the basic bounce. People are larning

1602
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 2: some some shots.

1603
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 5: What influenced I feel, I have a feeling they had

1604
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 5: to have been Prince Nancy Mamad and what influence did

1605
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 5: that at all on anything?

1606
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 2: Weird enough where I didn't watch boxing for a long time,

1607
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 2: So it's only when he was on his way out.

1608
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 2: I think just before his last fight that I started

1609
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 2: watching a lot of his stuff. Before Muhammed Ali is

1610
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:27,640
Speaker 2: only because my family, you know, was massively into Arle,

1611
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 2: so I watched the boxing, and then I got into

1612
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:34,639
Speaker 2: Pano who as well. So Sweetpeat was my guy. I

1613
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:40,599
Speaker 2: love watching his beautiful So, like I take, I draw

1614
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:44,439
Speaker 2: inspiration from everything, but it's not always martial arts space.

1615
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:47,639
Speaker 2: Like people have seen me, like I'm playing basketball while

1616
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 2: I'm fighting, and I love the movement of basketball. I've

1617
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:53,439
Speaker 2: seen I've slipped punches pretending that I'm crossing over someone,

1618
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 2: slip punches didn't come back. So I just draw inspiration

1619
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 2: from actually anything, and I just tried to be as

1620
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 2: creative as possible.

1621
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 5: But you're like kind of like a rock star in

1622
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 5: the cage, meaning you know, like you're you're you're doing

1623
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 5: two things at once. You're actively carrying out a game

1624
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 5: plan and winning fights, and you're not, you know, unapologetically

1625
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 5: flashy and entertaining, and I like, you know, you've probably

1626
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 5: received criticism at times, but to balance that out at

1627
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:24,680
Speaker 5: the highest level and be who you are underneath and

1628
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:27,840
Speaker 5: also have massive success, it's like, that's the that's the model.

1629
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 3: Thank you. It's I don't think I wouldn't.

1630
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 2: In fact, I would never have been able to do

1631
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 2: any other way if I had to try to just

1632
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 2: be or learn how a traditional MMA fights.

1633
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 3: It would be I'd.

1634
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 2: Lose many would have lost a lot of fights, and

1635
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 2: nobody would know who MVP even is. So there was

1636
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 2: only one way I was gonna do if I if

1637
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 2: it wasn't successful, it wasn't successful, but I would have

1638
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 2: to do it my way.

1639
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 1: Well, you've done a lot of it your way. It's

1640
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 1: gone for the most part pretty damn well. So congratulations

1641
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 1: and everything. Thanks for making the trip across March tenth.

1642
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 1: You can see m v P BELTI that is a

1643
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 1: hell of a fight. Enjoyed that trip to California. Oh yeah,

1644
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 1: that's a long one.

1645
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna I'm gonna be out sleeping.

1646
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:14,519
Speaker 1: There is Michael Venam page