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Speaker 1: What if I told you there was more to the

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Speaker 1: story behind game changing events. Get ready for my new podcast,

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Speaker 1: That Moment with Damon John will jump into the personal

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Speaker 1: stories of some of the most influential people on the planet,

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Speaker 1: from business mobiles and celebrities to athletes and artists.

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Speaker 2: So in one eighteen, that was a special trip to

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Speaker 2: be able to go to the Empire State Building. You

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Speaker 2: you you excited for about a month, you paying your

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Speaker 2: little little statue of liberty, all those liberty in the

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Speaker 2: Museum of Natural History. Those are the big trips right now.

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Speaker 2: I remember through uh that Vibe magazine thing, I found

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Speaker 2: out that that you within an embody state. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: oh shit, ye that was like a special trip, Like

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Speaker 2: oh shit. So I remember in there they had the

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Speaker 2: Empire Estate Buildings address and I put, uh, the three

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Speaker 2: fifty fifth Avenue, and I put a fool wool and

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Speaker 2: I put your name on the right and it got

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Speaker 2: to you and then you wrote me back and you

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Speaker 2: sent me your number. But when I got it, I

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Speaker 2: was like, oh shit, you had let ahead like it

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Speaker 2: was a fool envelope. And when I seen that shit,

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Speaker 2: that shit was like I mean, because you know, back

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Speaker 2: when we were growing up, like we didn't have nothing.

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Speaker 2: We just had dreams and all that stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: You know, spent a big part of life buying the

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Speaker 2: bylines and re circling stuff we're gonna get in the

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Speaker 2: bylines that we never bought, you know, three fifty four,

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Speaker 2: I'm getting that right there. Well, we never get it.

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Speaker 2: But now something had happened. I'm looking at the envelope.

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Speaker 1: Now you got I said I had a real letterhead.

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Speaker 1: I had to let ahead on pool be first started.

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Speaker 1: It was just a big old ink stamp.

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Speaker 2: Envelope.

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Speaker 1: Who was Oh no, I couldn't get the envelope.

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Speaker 2: No, i'malking about. The envelope was a fuoble.

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Speaker 1: Envelope, lady old kind of stuff like. It was just

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Speaker 1: that's crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So you know, then we talked, but then boom,

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Speaker 2: let's let's speed up to me getting up. So now

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Speaker 2: it's like, okay, I'm going up there. And uh, I

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Speaker 2: remember I came up there on on Uh it was Monday.

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Speaker 2: I got on Friday. I came up there Monday, and

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Speaker 2: I'm just looking, Oh, ship, this is just a lobby.

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Speaker 2: I don't get it. Yeah, I'm like, oh, lobby city

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Speaker 2: in the em I say Ben, because I haven't seen

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Speaker 2: inside of the building since I was a little kid, right,

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Speaker 2: So I'm like, oh ship. So I come up standing.

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Speaker 2: When I come up the thing that you got, the

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Speaker 2: ship was unreal because she was only your thought before.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh ship. And then I walked into

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Speaker 2: I thought that was gonna be all you know, homeboys

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Speaker 2: and all. It was a business office. I was like,

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Speaker 2: oh shit, right. And then I sat there, uh he said,

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Speaker 2: I was waiting for you to walk out, waiting no

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Speaker 2: I said, they tell me had on sixty five, give

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Speaker 2: me directions, get there, and came around there, came in

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Speaker 2: I turn and came in and I was like, holy shit.

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Speaker 2: You was sitting at the glass desk, had chained on

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Speaker 1: I you know, I've been in this position in my

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Speaker 1: that don't have plastic all over from your grandmother's right,

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Speaker 2: Something else also too. When we were growing up, we

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Speaker 2: like that. But then he was like, yo, I mean

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Speaker 2: the night, I meet you down in the parking line

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Speaker 2: like a half an hour or something like that, right,

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Speaker 2: and you told me, oh, yeah, you just good upstairs

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Speaker 2: with Tod to On. Oh that's damn driver. Then got

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Speaker 2: your idea, all the girls knew you coming through, And

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Speaker 1: Guy got a call and and yeah, so you wanted

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Speaker 1: the days. But yeah, you guess you get a driver

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Speaker 2: And and so I come down and then they told

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Speaker 2: the Rose Royce also too, and and this he said,

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Speaker 2: when you family came and we pooped up to the garage,

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Speaker 2: meet over with Jay Keith and called when we grew up,

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Speaker 2: it was only gonna be one large guy at.

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Speaker 1: A time, one guy, one guy would have called.

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Speaker 2: It was either bimmy or it with one other versus

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Speaker 2: one guy at a time. And I come back and, uh,

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Speaker 2: that night you had your suburban there with the thing

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Speaker 2: But then we pull up the block to the garage. Shit,

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Speaker 2: Carl had the Gray or six hundred or five hundred,

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Speaker 2: fucking let it, Like, oh shit, it was just a

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Speaker 2: quick through that and never was repeated, never was repeated.

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you something, what happened. Let me tell

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Speaker 2: you what happened When it started getting the nineteen ninety

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Speaker 2: was talking about how he was coasting through Harlem and

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Speaker 2: like that and now that's crazy. And then a Shaq

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Speaker 2: Now they had Bentley's like, oh, it's like that Iams

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Speaker 2: had one. I came home and found out, uh that

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Speaker 2: you had to. And then one day you came to me.

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Speaker 2: You told me, yo, you wanna you wanna, you wanna, Uh,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna drive home today. I said, yeah, you gonna

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Speaker 2: let me hold the nigga. Ain't leaving the car around

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Speaker 2: I said, okay, okay. So went down to the garage

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Speaker 2: we lived for the Vibe magazine, the Source magazine. But

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Speaker 2: that was that was life. And I'm saying, this must

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Speaker 2: and I'm riding in the tunnel. Got the little gangsoline

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Speaker 2: The whole thing just shrunk on me. When I got

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Speaker 2: you pull a cr back over a weekeet over here

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Speaker 2: I'm I was trashed this guy six I mean two

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Speaker 2: Sin since an hour, and uh now almost messed up

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Speaker 2: something crazy and it really didn't even mean anything to you.

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Speaker 2: Like so, like I said, the new reality just had

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Speaker 2: to sink You had had to sink into me, like, oh,

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Speaker 2: that's just crazy.

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Speaker 1: But do you remember that You don't now, but I

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Speaker 1: think that that you know, this is one of those

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Speaker 1: that moments that you realize why you know, I was

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Speaker 1: difference to me to keep me grounded, to think about

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Speaker 1: where we've come from and how hard we work and

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Speaker 1: how we were both on the right track. And you

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Speaker 1: would have been one of the football guys. Yeah, as you.

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Speaker 2: First may.

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Speaker 1: Well anyway, listen, I want to make sure that people

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Speaker 1: understand that you you. We will have more of these stories,

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Speaker 1: but we could take up twelve with these stories. I

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Speaker 1: want people to understand that you. First of all, we

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Speaker 1: have several other friends that have had similar situations. One

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Speaker 1: of them turned did twenty six years or something he

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Speaker 1: didn't do with This is not something that is uncommon

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Speaker 1: in the African American community and many other communities, Latino

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Speaker 1: and various other things, as well as I know people

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Speaker 1: in West Virginia. They're the same color as the ones

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Speaker 1: who are incarcerating them. It's a it's a big social issue.

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Speaker 1: It took you seven years, I think, to get rewarded

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Speaker 1: said that the precinct had had an objective to lock

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Speaker 1: So that game was like you started coming around other people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what I was seeing the change up.

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Speaker 2: And that's what I'm saying with with that happening to you,

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Speaker 1: But then it was that moment you knew that I

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Speaker 1: We're going to continue this because it's not really that

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Speaker 1: You're taking me down a really amazing path, and I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but let me just say this right here. I'm I'm, I'm.

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Speaker 1: But the books called it's not a tell all, is it?

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Speaker 2: Listen?

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Speaker 1: Listen, listen with my chapter of mystery.

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Speaker 1: I don't like your memory.

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Speaker 2: Oh boy, well I'm gonna take you this right here,

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Speaker 2: He's looking this ship right here, somebody else is trying

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Speaker 3: Like this, right, And I'm boy touch. I'm not even

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Speaker 3: So what does this mean to make up on you?

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Speaker 2: Right? But and I'm seeing how you interacting with the people.

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Speaker 2: But then you noticed me, Oh shut you know you

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Speaker 2: And I said to myself, yes, crazy, all these people

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: An accident nineteen eighty Right, my father dies in a

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Speaker 1: An out for So nineteen eighty one you met me.

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Speaker 1: allowed to go over your.

434
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 2: House house oh from you yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

435
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 1: Allowed to go to the house and meet the kids

436
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 1: in the other side of the neighborhood. No difference. I mean,

437
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: you know, you just live in pockets.

438
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,199
Speaker 2: Yeah. And so what ends up happening is this right here,

439
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 2: I met you. You we we we we from the beginning,

440
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 2: we still again cool because anybody else went out of

441
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 2: the house. I kept asking you about how you do

442
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 2: the trick? How did you You didn't really drink no bleach?

443
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 2: You didn't drink no bleach? How did you do the trick?

444
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 2: And you told me tell them the trick? Well, what

445
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 2: happened is you was down, You were in the basement,

446
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 2: and you betting people a quarter that you would drink.

447
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 1: The bleach, which is there was a couple of bleeks.

448
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 2: That's a bleach that you said that you that you

449
00:23:58,359 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 2: said you remember.

450
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: Nobody's seeing. The cameras are on, we're in a podcast.

451
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 1: So I would drink a blood a glass of bleaching

452
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: for a quarter. I remember, had a second quarter, so everybody.

453
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 2: So what ends up happening is you give them a

454
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 2: little smell test, put it, you know, put up under

455
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,160
Speaker 2: the sure. Oh shit, yo, he's stupid. You know y'all,

456
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 2: he's stupid. And then you drank it. They get the monch.

457
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 1: So is everybody giving me the money so they can

458
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 1: see me die it?

459
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 2: No, they didn't give you money yet they was. You

460
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 2: were betting them a quarter that you would drink.

461
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 1: And once I drank it, they were making sure that

462
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 1: I died.

463
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 2: Oh you know. But then when the excitement was over,

464
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 2: you know, collected a couple of quarters, they went back

465
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 2: outside because it was a pool. Puddy. I stayed down

466
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 2: there and kept handing you about how you do the trick,

467
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 2: and you went and tell me, but I keep getting there,

468
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 2: keeping me at you. Then you eventually told me that

469
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 2: before we came down here, that you had stuck your

470
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 2: pointing finger down in the bleach bottle and you held

471
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 2: it around a couple of the rims, so you put

472
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 2: that under the nose and make them smell that, and

473
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 2: didn't drink the water. And means you just start talking.

474
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 2: I mean, you start talking denn and all that stuff

475
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:08,479
Speaker 2: like that. Right now, I'm connecting the dots. We become friends.

476
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 2: But Alfred kind of treated you like he was your brother.

477
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 2: So he used to talk about what y'all doing when

478
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 2: he's not married. So I knew a lot about you

479
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 2: from when you were around getting the mirrors and go

480
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 2: from the mirrors to Alpha. Well, shit, I'm going inside.

481
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: Alpha wanted to go in, but Alfred it was a

482
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: mirror factor ducause Alfred say, I don't want the mirrors

483
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: in the garbage. I want the mirrors in the mirror factory.

484
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: You don't have any money, I don't need any money.

485
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: I got a crowball.

486
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I used to hear all the different stuff

487
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 2: about you know, about y'all and all that stuff like that.

488
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,959
Speaker 2: So by the time you come back around, I already

489
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 2: know what to talk about because I know what y'all

490
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 2: been doing. Right, So it grew like that. But then

491
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 2: what ends up happening? Is this right here? Uh, Alfred

492
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 2: had got some work from somebody that was with the

493
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 2: Supreme Team.

494
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: Work crack or cocaine or whatever. I don't know what

495
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,919
Speaker 1: they're selling. And Supreme Team that documentary about about how

496
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 1: they our community.

497
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 2: It might it might have been up right, but uh

498
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 2: so what ends up happening is so what ends up

499
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 2: happening is, uh Leon ran off with the work.

500
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 1: Leon is Alpher's brother.

501
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 2: His brother ran up, ran off with the work, and

502
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 2: he's going out for the whole ship.

503
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 1: You know what the fuck?

504
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 2: Alpha was hiding out from him for a while.

505
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: Then, whether it was by the way, I want to

506
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 1: I want to explain with people. So so Leon ran

507
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: off with the crack or whatever it is, I don't

508
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 1: know the Supreme Team gave Alford. Now, Supreme Team is

509
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 1: known for assassinating the the police officer Edward Burns, who

510
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: was guarding a witness for a crack cocaine case. So

511
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: they pulled up. The cop was outside watching and protecting

512
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: a witness, and they pulled up and they killed They

513
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: assassinated a cop. So these people or there were people

514
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: that obviously were very serious about what they were doing. Yeah,

515
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: So and that became a case that went all the

516
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: way up to the presidency where he talked about it.

517
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know he was he he wanted to

518
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 2: uh not have that pressure on him, but the pressure

519
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 2: was great. And he's behind from the guy Alfred aufhad

520
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 2: hiding from the guy. Oh and whoever the guy was.

521
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 2: I still remember he had a he had a brown

522
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 2: kind of maroon is three hundred Essex, the same car

523
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 2: because I used to see him coming and he'd be

524
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 2: parking on different blocks till it got to the point

525
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 2: where Alfred talking with they like, Yo, I'm gonna sell

526
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 2: my call selling I call it damn it because he

527
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 2: got to pay then back that money. It was that

528
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 2: he owed him something like fifteen hundred dollars and fifteen

529
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 2: hundred dollars a lot at fifteen fifteen hundred dollars a

530
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 2: lot at the time. So he said, I'm gonna sell

531
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 2: my car home. You have to what your world's I'm

532
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 2: gonna do, right, So in the back of my mind

533
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 2: I knew now that you had a car you driving.

534
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 2: So what happened is now and get to eighty six,

535
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 2: my money from the insurance comes in. I'm eighteen now boom,

536
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 2: I'll go buy the Cadillacsville Loo. She said, I'm gonna

537
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 2: go crazy. Oh shit, they like my car. I'm starting

538
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: to drive them around or stuff like that. And they

539
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 2: eventually talked me into driving them down to L's show

540
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 2: in Philly.

541
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: Driving them down to when ll co J was on tour. Yeah,

542
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: you could drive whole down there.

543
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 2: When L first got on, he choose the hard rocks

544
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 2: and gangsters around our way, the guys from the corner

545
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 2: of the bed, Yeah, to be a security.

546
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: Took he wanted them to.

547
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, he wanted them to be a security. So they

548
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 2: he took mookie and losing them as a security. But

549
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 2: now when they start getting close, they wanted more of

550
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 2: their boys to come down there. So you should you

551
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,239
Speaker 2: got a car, now, why don't you drive down there?

552
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 2: And I drove them to Philly, right, and now we

553
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 2: we Philly and everything is what we heard. It was

554
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 2: the girls are.

555
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: All of us and pulling them all this that that

556
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: that and the was ll col J, Big Daddy Kane

557
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: EKMD Public Enemy. That one. Let me say it, you

558
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: know you can remember better than.

559
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 2: First one was run DMC l O c J TIMEX

560
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 2: Social Club and the Beastie Boys.

561
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: Time Ax Social Club and the Beastie Boys. That was

562
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: the first talk.

563
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, the first one.

564
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: So remember when I saw the Beasts, I said, man,

565
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: these dudes are crazy.

566
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. So now we're backstage, we have

567
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 2: the but come I wasn't on before. It was weak.

568
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 2: It's and they talking about they want more of their

569
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 2: crew to be down there doing that. And so I remember,

570
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 2: like he said, well, I know somebody else they got

571
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 2: a car boys, I knew Alfred Sula's car to to

572
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 2: me to you, n we got a car.

573
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: Next.

574
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 2: You know, Dame is on these trips. Dame is on

575
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 2: the trips. And and now we get to the point

576
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 2: where El's last song. He always like Farmer's crew come

577
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 2: on stage, and we on stage, fourteen thousand people at

578
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 2: the spectrums there at us and we up there and

579
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 2: you know, l come through giving everybody a pound, and

580
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 2: you know the second he giving pound for that second

581
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 2: right there, all fourteen thousand eyes on you, and that

582
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 2: shit was crazy right there. I'm experiencing it, you experiencing it.

583
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: And we start going back and forth, back and forth,

584
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 2: back and forth, spots like spotting, spoting spot and when

585
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 2: we could get in New York until we get it.

586
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 2: But then by the time it got to nineteen eighty nine,

587
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 2: I got the job on the tour, you by haitting

588
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 2: had the sixteen pastring of Van. So if anybody's gonna

589
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 2: make it to the show, they gotta come through you.

590
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 2: So the first call put into you and then putting

591
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 2: a call into Harrold, this is where we're gonna be

592
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: at until it got to a point where a lot

593
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 2: of niggas wanna give up no gas money. You come

594
00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 2: up there sixteen pastries of Van by yourself, right, and

595
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 2: then that's when you start saying like, yoh, well, shoot,

596
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 2: you're gonna be here, why can't I be here? And

597
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 2: I had went to the promoter, and you had said

598
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 2: that those bands that they be wrinting, that you could

599
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 2: do it right, you know, I don't know, you know,

600
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 2: And you said, well, I'll do it for free, just

601
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: to show them I could do it. And then in

602
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 2: order for you to do it for free, you would

603
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 2: have to go back home work and then and then

604
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 2: come back here. But to stop you from doing that,

605
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: every city that we go to, I could get three tickets,

606
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 2: and I will go get the tickets A couple of

607
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 2: backshafe passes as for the other dances to go get

608
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 2: there three tickets and we went outside in the in

609
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 2: front of the couse and we just said the most

610
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 2: expensive ticket was seventeen fifty. And we go out there

611
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 2: and sell a couple of tickets, get to ten dollars,

612
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 2: ten dollars, ten dollars, and make about seventy dollars for

613
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 2: you to get gased. I think, just so you don't

614
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 2: have to go back home work, you go to the

615
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 2: next place. But while we're doing this, it's guys out

616
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 2: there with the with the bootlegs two shirts, just kicking off,

617
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 2: kicking off, were getting our a little bit of money,

618
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 2: but they getting a hundredsome. We just watching it. Old ship,

619
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 2: old shit.

620
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: And.

621
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 2: We've seen this so many times. And then by the

622
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 2: time the tour is over. By the time the tour

623
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 2: is over, it's like, you know, it's cool running around

624
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 2: with talking on so so, but we we gotta get

625
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 2: something for ourself. And that's when I pulled myself on

626
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 2: the box and I'm doing this right here, right And

627
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 2: then you had a bunch of ideas you did you

628
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 2: did the other boat thing, and and we did the

629
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: super soaker thing on on the thing. But I believe

630
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 2: it was from you seeing uh how much money was

631
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 2: in that hill pop merchandise that helped you have that

632
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 2: vision when you come back home, like the do.

633
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: The clothes, and I saw, but I also saw people

634
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: doing what they love, like l and all. I saw

635
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: all the people out there cheering. But I think the

636
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: critical thing was I was ready to do that tour

637
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: for free when people were haggling. I was ready to

638
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: drive I don't know Philadelphia all the way home, but

639
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: I remember one time Elle said because he did, we

640
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: didn't know that well. He said, Yo, who want to

641
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: take all my dirty ass underwear to my grandmother? And

642
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: I was like I do, And four years or five

643
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: years later I would knock on his door and ask

644
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 1: him to take a picture, but I would take home

645
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: his dirty ass underwear to his grandmother. And where most

646
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: men would say, why am I taking another man's underwear

647
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: home and paying for it? Because it was the gas

648
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: that costs me money and and uh.

649
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 2: So what I'm showing is to get to that point

650
00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 2: in Hollywood. If Alfred never had his problems, and if

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Speaker 2: my father never died, we would have never been in

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Speaker 2: oppositions and my.

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Speaker 1: Father would have never left. I never became the man

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Speaker 1: of the house at ten years old.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's powerful about how the things that

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Speaker 1: have created us that a lot of people will suffer

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Speaker 1: from and they have to get over and deal with it.

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Speaker 1: It is what it is. So, man, thank you so

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Speaker 1: so much for spending that moment. When we Man, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be talking about this some more. I have a

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Speaker 1: really good time walking down memory lane. And I love

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Speaker 1: you brother, and your your very close friend.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: It always has been and man, it's amazing. Thank you brother.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Ship show That Moment with Damon John is a production

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