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Folks, I am 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:02.560 so excited to welcome to wok F, I believe for 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:07.320 the first time, friend Philip Atiba Goff, who is the 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:12.000 CEO of Policing Equity. Philip, you must be busy, I mean, 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:17.880 because police in America are clearly clearly out of goddamn control. 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:22.040 I don't know how many more mornings we need to 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:27.039 wake up to another shooting of another unarmed black person 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:29.760 or person of color. I don't know how many more 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:33.360 headlines we need. It's like we are interrupting the Derek 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:37.240 Chauvin trial, then to interrupt it to tell us about 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:40.119 Dante Wright to then interrupt it to tell us about 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:42.839 Adam Toledo, to then interrupt it to tell us, what, 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:47.320 how are you feeling right now about what is unfolding 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:51.799 in America? I think I'm feeling what most folks are feeling, 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:55.320 or many folks are feeling. I'm feeling tired right like. 0:05:55.360 --> 0:06:00.760 It's just it's exhausting. I know that. When Adam Toledo 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:04.440 video came out, the first version I saw, the unaddited version, 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:08.680 I was done. I had to shut it down for 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:13.560 a little bit because it's it's just exhausting. It doesn't 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:16.080 matter how hard you work right now, there's no way 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:19.479 to stop the next one. You're hoping to stop one 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:23.400 like twenty or thirty or forty killings down the road 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:26.960 just turned turned down the spigot a little bit, so 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:31.679 it's less. And it's when you're seeing the full volume 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:33.400 of it, as we've been seeing for the last couple 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:35.560 of days. It's a hard thing to get up to 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:38.200 to be like, I'm going to make a dent on this, 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:40.880 and yet that's the thing you gotta do, because if 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:43.160 you're not making a dent, then it won't change at all. 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:48.000 I have been questioning myself as my listeners know over 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:51.240 the past year, the past several months, about whether or 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:55.239 not anything that I do matters, right, Like, the whole 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:58.479 point of woke app is to provide a platform and 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:01.680 a space for us to have more than soundbites, for 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:04.280 us to have real conversations about the issues that are 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:08.000 affecting our everyday lives. And it just seems that every 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:10.640 day I pick up the microphone, I have more bad 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:14.800 news to report. And so what does it feel like 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:18.720 for you? You work with police, you work with police 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:23.200 departments across this country? What is the problem? Phillip? Like, 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:26.040 what is the problem? Where is the problem? Because if 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:29.600 I hear one more time that there are just a 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:32.640 few bad apples, when I'm lying, how many bad apple 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:36.200 spoils the entire goddamn orchard? Do you know what I'm saying? Like, like, 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:39.320 it's not an apple, it's not a tree, it's the 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:44.880 entire orchard is rotten. How are you maintaining your hope 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:51.120 around reform? So the word reform has a tricky meaning 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:56.480 right now in that it's contrasted oftentimes and rightly oftentimes, 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:59.720 to abolition. The ideas reform is about changing the stuff 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:02.400 that we have and the stuff that we have. Part 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:04.640 of the reason why it's so frustrating is because it's 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:07.360 doing exactly what it was supposed to be doing, right, Like, 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:09.760 it's not that it's it needs some tweaks, and it's 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:11.600 dented and it's bruised, and so we just need to 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:15.800 refurbish policing. It's like, no, no, no, These killings have 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:20.600 been part of the mission. So that's not the goal. 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:23.559 To be clear, that was never the goal. The goal 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:27.800 was harm reduction until we can open up the prospect 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:30.520 of ridding ourselves of the addiction to punishment that we've got. 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:33.760 So we've had in our mind a medical model since 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:37.360 jump right, this country is addicted to punishment as the 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:40.559 way out of difficult social problems. It's in part because 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:44.360 we are sort of genetically predisposed as a country to 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:47.520 lie about our history. That's why we're having That's why 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:51.359 we had fights about the Confederacy immediately after the uprisings 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:55.200 in George Floyd. Right, those things don't automatically make sense 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:58.080 next to each other unless you understand it's the lies 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:01.760 about our history that make our pre isn't possible. So 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:04.880 a year ago, year and a half ago, we could 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:07.679 push and push and push and say, you understand, it's 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:11.200 way worse than the couple of videos that you saw. Right. 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:13.720 There are cities across this country that used to have 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:15.800 and I pray to God that they don't do it anymore, 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:19.480 but they used to have a policy where law enforcement 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:31.800 could conduct field cavity searches. What field in outside cavity searches. Now, 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:34.040 if you and I were to perform a field cavity search, 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:38.920 that's just sexual assault. And yet law enforcement undercover of 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:41.280 law they'd be like, well, I search you, and I 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:44.199 somehow know you have drugs. I somehow know you might 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:49.040 have a weapon. So it can get way worse. We 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:51.920 haven't talked about what happened recover. We haven't talked about 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:54.920 what happens when we do investigations of sex trafficking. There's 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:57.680 not video of that. To talk about the places where 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:01.320 women are, particularly where trans folks are particularly vulnerable to 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:04.520 the abuses of the state, we haven't begun to get 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:08.559 at it. Today there is news of a city asking 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:14.960 to avoid four hundred convictions, four hundred convictions, not charges, 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:20.040 convictions because one officer lied over the course of three years, 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:24.960 four hundred lives that at the very least have finds 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:26.920 they have to pay, but most of them are in 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:31.000 cages as a result of one officer line, we haven't 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:33.240 begun to scratch the surface. And the thing that I 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:35.720 want people who are really pissed off about policing to 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:42.000 understand is it's not just the police. The conversation about 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:46.280 defund the police happens after defundmental health, which wasn't so 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:51.600 much a popular After defund education, defund programs, defund hospitals, 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:56.640 defund green spaces, defund urban renewal. In not the gentrification sense, 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:59.400 in the sense of don't let the houses drop down 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:03.280 and fall down on the babies. We've defunded absolutely everything 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:06.080 in these communities. So the only public resource we have 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:10.200 left is the police. And the logic has been, well, 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:11.960 we have to because look at the crime as opposed 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:16.040 to look what we did to create the crime happen, Philip, 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:19.560 because that is my thing, Like you have said everything 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:26.559 that I have been questioning, right, which is we've created 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:30.720 these problems, right, And I continue to say that our 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:34.240 criminal justice system, poverty, all of these things are functioning 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:37.280 the way that they were meant to function. Right. The 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:40.560 idea behind all of this was that we defund every 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:44.960 public good, every social service, and so that we can 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:49.880 turn this prison industrial complex into the moneymaker that it is. 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:53.359 For those folks that are like, because when your incentive 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:58.280 is to increase prisons so that you can increase profit, 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:01.400 that's the trickle down. That's the only trickle down that 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:05.360 we've ever felt in this country. Right, And so it's like, 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:09.360 if you know what the problem is, how do you 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:14.440 create the will in order to fix the problem. So, 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:17.640 for better or for worse, I want to offer a 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:21.520 friendly amendment on the profit motive because right now we're 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:24.520 talking about a little bit about fines and fees. I 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:27.440 think that the story of Ferguson is not fully told, 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:30.120 and that's to our detriment because when the federal government 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:32.480 came in and said, y'all are using fines and fees 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:36.640 to tax poor black people, Ferguson literally said, well, if 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:39.959 we can't use racist fines and fees, how can we 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:44.360 fund the city bankrupt if we didn't have racism. So 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:46.839 we need to be talking about the people that was 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:49.440 literally their responsible. We'd go bankrupt if we couldn't tax 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:53.080 poor black people. But private prisons and the profit motive 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:56.920 within policing is a smaller portion than is easy to 0:12:56.960 --> 0:13:01.120 comprehend the bigger game. We just want to throw these 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:06.480 people away. That whiteness says, this set of problems is 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:08.880 just it's too it's ikey. I don't want to have 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:11.200 anything to do with it. And so when it's in 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:13.600 folks faces, you'll see a little bit of movement. But 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:16.320 the movement isn't to solve the problem. The movement is 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:20.040 to make that discomfort go away. And so what we're 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:24.240 getting right now is electeds and corporations. Like I loved 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:26.800 all the corporate speak this summer. We're like, we stand 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:29.240 with black lives. We're gonna fund voter suppression in Georgia, 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:32.080 but we stand with black lives. It's to solve the problem. 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:35.560 It's to get rid of the discomfort. The way you 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:39.840 move it forward is you don't let them. So all 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:41.800 the folks who are out here saying, well, you know, 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:43.520 defund is radical, or we don't want to you know, 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:45.600 we're pushing too hard. That's too. That's two out there. 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:48.880 I need those folks to sit down, because two out 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:52.240 there is what opened the window for what's possible right now. Now, 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:54.920 the folks who come in who know how to actually 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:58.920 make moves and get stuff done to make these these 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:03.640 moments of fashion into real sustainable policy. They need to 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:05.720 have access too. It's gonna take a lot of hands. 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:09.320 But they don't rage so hard crowd. They need to 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:12.040 have a seat, But they don't rage so hard crowd. 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:14.080 They do have a seat, Philip. They have a seat 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:16.720 in Congress, you know what I'm saying, Like, they do 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:19.360 have a seat. They sit and write in Congress telling 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:21.720 us all of the things that they can't get done, 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:23.880 all of the things that they can't work on because 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:25.840 it's too big, because it's too hard, all of the 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:28.480 things that you're saying. So if the people that we 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:32.239 need to stand up are actually sitting down in Congress 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:36.600 not doing a goddamn thing while we have extraditional killings 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:39.960 every single goddamn day in this country, then where do 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:42.320 we go. No, it's fair because they don't just sit 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:44.680 in Congress. They also sit in boardrooms, you know, in 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:47.880 corporate decision making positions the thousand percent, and they sit 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:50.360 they sit at a decision making a nonprofit profits and 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:52.880 philanthropy as well, a thousand percent. What I mean is 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:54.360 they need to have a seat facing the wall like 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:58.480 that they can sit yes with the duns add on. Yes, Yes, 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:01.640 But I will say say, in all of that frustration, 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:07.200 thousands of municipalities around the country are actually doing something different, 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:10.600 and it's hard for journalists to get together and wrap 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:12.640 their minds around it because it does look super different. 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:15.520 So you saw for a little while a lot of 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:18.880 stuff on replacing law enforcement with mental health. That's still 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:21.640 going great, that's still a good story, and they're still momentum. 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:24.360 You're now seeing a couple stories come out about reducing 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:26.840 low level traffic enforcement so that Dante Wright didn't have 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:29.480 to die. That's also going on. But there are thousands 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:33.480 of experiments happening across the country in municipalities. There's one 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:36.040 in particular that it brought me to tears in the 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:38.440 good way for like the first time in months. What's 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:43.920 going on in Ithaca and Tompkins County is possibly breathtaking 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:45.960 and a model for how we go about doing this. 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:48.440 So in Ithaca they came, they came to the Center 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:51.120 for Policing Equity and to community folks, they said, we 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:54.720 need to do something radically different, and we can. We're 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:56.760 doing okay right now, and if so if we can't 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:58.880 make it happen, who can't. And what they did They 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:01.120 went through a nine month process. They got the high 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:04.080 school students involved, right in senior thesis on this. They 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:05.800 got the local communes, not just Cornell, but if you 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:08.440 are college, they got the college kids involved. They had 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:10.920 the janitors involved, They had folks who were formerly incarcerated 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:13.520 and involved. And on the other end of that process, 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:16.600 they gave to Governor Cromo. Because the New York State, 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:18.720 everybody has to have a plan for public safety. They 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:21.720 gave them a plan that dismantles their police department and 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:25.600 puts in its place a Department of Community Solutions and 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:30.400 Public Safety that is majority unarmed, civilian led, no armed 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:35.160 response to non violent calls for crisis and standing up 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:40.000 social services so that communities can keep themselves safe instead 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:43.360 of calling out for it. There is no more police department. 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:46.000 At the end of this process, there is a Department 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:51.040 of Community Solutions and Public Safety led by civilians staffed, 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:55.640 majority unarmed, that will go to ninety six percent of 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:59.000 the calls for service in Ithaca and Tompkins County. Wow, 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:02.880 good news, And we got to protect those things because 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:06.840 I understand Ithaca is not the center of black trauma, 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:08.679 right right for a couple of black kids who went 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:11.360 to Cornell, and you know, like, I can't help it, right, right, 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:13.920 But it can be a model for how we set 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:15.880 it up because once you see it can be done, 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:18.680 then you start removing the excuses for not doing it. 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:21.840 So then talk to me. But here come the excuses, right, 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:25.000 which is, you know, can we do that in New 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:27.719 York City? Can we do that in Minneapolis? Can we 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:31.280 do that in these places where we're seeing the cops 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:34.880 literally run rampant, right, like run rough shot, like there's 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:37.200 some type of mob. Can we do it in places 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:42.160 that do have violent crime? So I get that question, 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:44.439 and it's in order to do it, the larger it goes. 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:47.360 But there's no like, it's the same basic budget process. 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:51.840 It's just larger. Right. You have worse union issues, but 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:54.720 they're just bigger, and that means there's more people who 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:58.240 can stand up and say no, we insist. And remember, 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:01.399 in Minneapolis it might be hard, but in Brooklyn Center 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:04.320 it's not. Saint Louis it might be hard, but in 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:09.760 Ferguson it's not. These killings are happening in the suburbs 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:14.240 of surrounding YEP, and they have much smaller departments. Right, 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:17.679 eighteen thousand law enforcement agencies in the United States, seventy 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:19.680 five of them have twenty five or fewer officers, and 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:22.520 there's a thousand that are just one. Dude, those can 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:28.040 be transformed and or removed overnight. M you know, I 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:30.760 want to switch gears a little bit to talk about 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:36.440 what happens to officers that are charged. And as we're 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:42.960 watching the Derek Chauvin trial unfold, and we know that 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:47.520 Kim Potter has been charged with second degree manslaughter in 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:50.720 the what I will refer to as the murder of 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:56.520 Dante Bright, tell us why it is so goddamn difficult 0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:01.720 for us to convict officers. Tell us why we need 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:07.360 eighty seven videos with every single vantage point possible. And 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:11.120 we still don't know with certainty that an officer will 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:15.440 be charged with the crimes that they commit. If your 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:19.600 boss tells you to write them a memo, and you 0:19:19.640 --> 0:19:22.480 write them a memo and give it to them, how 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:26.879 likely are you to get fired for that? Like, not 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:29.399 at all, because you did what the boss told you 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:33.960 to do. Yeah, that's the answer to this. The boss, 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:37.919 folks in charge of law enforcement are largely happy with 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:41.520 what law enforcement has been doing, so they oftentimes don't 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:43.280 want to see how the sausage gets made. They don't 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:45.240 want to see the literal. But you had to actually 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:48.520 kill him and his hands were up and he was thirteen. 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:51.119 That feels itchy. Let's do something so I don't have 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:55.840 to feel icky. But the idea of keeping whiteness safe 0:19:56.400 --> 0:19:59.600 from black and brown people and for the set of 0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:03.320 terror options we've given to folks who experience concentrated disadvantage, 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:06.040 and that's what they were supposed to do. So they 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:11.080 show up with the advantage of faith and trust from 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:15.160 communities that like what the outcome has been. So on 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:18.639 one level, there's a very simple answer for why we 0:20:18.680 --> 0:20:21.159 don't get convictions. It's because the system is working as 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:23.960 it's supposed to. It won't convict someone of something that 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:30.080 it wants people to do. And where are we with 0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:35.800 qualified immunity right, Where where are we with being able 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:39.600 to at least get to some type of level playing 0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:42.760 ground where you don't have this get out of jail 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:47.679 free card. Yeah, so unqualified immunity. There are states that 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:50.640 are making changes, they're saying they're abolishing it. That's not 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:54.240 quite right. What they're doing is they're changing the standard 0:20:54.320 --> 0:20:59.360 for it, which should be useful on state cases and 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:04.080 can be useful on local cases. But we're not close 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:07.399 from any of the states. As examples, the Justice for 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:10.919 Justice and Police saying George Floyd Act would end in 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:14.119 this current iteration, would end qualified immunity, and I think 0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:17.479 that has a shot of making it through the Senate. 0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:20.400 So in that case, we would be in fact revealing 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:24.480 the precedent and saying, no, you cannot use it this way. 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:29.399 But qualified immunity might might make a difference in about 0:21:29.440 --> 0:21:32.760 a quarter of the cases that come forward where they're charging. 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:35.119 So even those things that are that are sort of 0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:39.280 easy villains in this fight, the real villain here is 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:45.040 the way we use police. So if most cities ninety 0:21:45.160 --> 0:21:48.399 six percent of what police do has nothing to do 0:21:48.440 --> 0:21:51.040 with violence, do you think we could figure out a 0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:54.720 way to spend less and get less armed response for 0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:58.600 that ninety six percent of behavior. So I'd be happily 0:21:58.680 --> 0:22:01.560 qualified immunity in place if police had ninety six percent 0:22:01.640 --> 0:22:05.280 less contact with folks, Right, Like, if all I'm trying 0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:07.000 to do is reduce the number of bodies going to 0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:09.639 the Morgus a result of contact with the state. That 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:12.280 seems like the bigger lever to pull is to pull 0:22:12.320 --> 0:22:14.760 police out of the places where, by the way, for 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:17.480 the last quarter century, they've been saying, we can't do this. 0:22:17.760 --> 0:22:19.600 You give us too much. We can't do mental health 0:22:19.600 --> 0:22:22.679 and substance abuse and homelessness and child welfare. Why do 0:22:22.680 --> 0:22:25.280 you give all that to us? Right, So they want 0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:26.760 to get out of the business. They just want to 0:22:26.760 --> 0:22:30.120 do it without losing their budgets. Right, I'm happy to 0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:32.119 law enforcement to get them out of the places they 0:22:32.160 --> 0:22:34.760 always wanted to get out of. And in many cities, 0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:37.639 by the way, we should be standing up those systems 0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:41.520 before we're disinvesting, so we can we can invest before 0:22:41.560 --> 0:22:44.040 we divest in some places. But it's got to be 0:22:44.080 --> 0:22:46.879 push pull, because we have fed this beast so much 0:22:47.359 --> 0:22:50.440 that if they were the military, US law enforcement would 0:22:50.440 --> 0:22:54.720 be the third largest military in the world after our 0:22:54.880 --> 0:23:00.680 military and then China's military. That's too much, which is 0:23:00.720 --> 0:23:04.440 obscene when you look at the lack of money we 0:23:04.520 --> 0:23:09.399 put into let's say education, right, like you judge a 0:23:09.480 --> 0:23:13.000 country by where they put the most of their resources, 0:23:13.280 --> 0:23:16.400 and like you said at the beginning, America is addicted 0:23:17.080 --> 0:23:21.119 right to locking people up, and it's no wonder to me. 0:23:21.160 --> 0:23:24.800 I mean, we would rather in America send children to 0:23:24.840 --> 0:23:30.720 school with bulletproof backpacks, armed teachers, then do something substantive 0:23:30.760 --> 0:23:36.040 on gun reform. We'd rather have a Dante right a 0:23:36.040 --> 0:23:40.240 week or a day, then admit to the fact that 0:23:40.359 --> 0:23:45.080 our policing system is absolutely atrocious and if it didn't 0:23:45.160 --> 0:23:49.160 have a badge, would be considered the KKK in terms 0:23:49.200 --> 0:23:52.040 of the number of black people that they murder on 0:23:52.080 --> 0:24:00.679 a regular basis. I just you know, what expectation do 0:24:00.760 --> 0:24:06.000 you have of this current administration to be able to 0:24:06.080 --> 0:24:11.280 move the ball forward with this systemic problem that we have. 0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:16.119 It will really depend to me on who they get 0:24:16.160 --> 0:24:21.120 through Senate confirmation. The Senate confirmed nominees right now are 0:24:21.200 --> 0:24:25.959 of fantastic slate of folks that are way bolder in 0:24:26.080 --> 0:24:28.840 terms of their vision for what can be done than 0:24:29.240 --> 0:24:33.000 this president campaigned on. So we get Kristin Clark, and 0:24:33.080 --> 0:24:35.960