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Speaker 1: I don't think he did anything quote unquote you know,

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Speaker 1: dramatically wrong.

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Speaker 2: Who among us haven't had him.

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Speaker 3: Has already gotten thrown out?

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Speaker 2: That's funny. Yeah, so what else we go?

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Speaker 1: Who's to say you were speeding?

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Speaker 2: You'll lose? Yeah, I'm gonna go with the Dolphins to cover,

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Speaker 2: even though it pains me to do so.

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Speaker 1: With Miami, I.

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Speaker 2: Hate the Dolphins. They're in first place. I don't can't

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Speaker 2: have that they're not and they're spelling themselves. If you're

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Speaker 2: a pro better this is a game that you fade

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Speaker 2: and shelf I was thinking that.

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Speaker 1: You talk like that, fade the game, you don't touch,

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Speaker 1: and you put it on the shelf.

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Speaker 2: You wouldn't have heard of it.

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Speaker 3: No, no, because I just made it up before my time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I just made it up with the spread bred

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Speaker 1: thirty seven, twenty six and one.

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Speaker 2: How's my ass taste?

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Speaker 2: All right, it is Tuesday here at Jilett Stadium, and

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Speaker 2: it's Deuce, it's Tamara, Paul, myself, Matt and Na Booth.

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Speaker 2: A little different Tuesday than normal here at Jilette Stadium.

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Speaker 2: Normally Tuesday of the Patriots day off, but football decided

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Speaker 2: to change things up a little bit this week. They

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Speaker 2: gave them Monday off and Tuesday they're back at it

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Speaker 2: like it's a normal Monday ish.

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Speaker 4: But they don't usually practice. Someone to either. I think

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Speaker 4: it's a walk through.

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Speaker 2: It's a walk through, so I don't know what today is.

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Speaker 4: But there's installing a new offense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there'll be media availability yet later in the block

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Speaker 2: around say just odd, Yeah.

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Speaker 9: It's just do you think this is part of the

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Speaker 9: star start all over that Bill Belichick mentioned.

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Speaker 2: In his Yeah my my first thing? And I don't

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Speaker 2: know this again? Please people. I'm just speculating. Please that

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Speaker 2: after the game he felt that I need Monday to

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Speaker 2: sit with my coaches. Yeah, I give give give us

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Speaker 2: a day and then you guys come back.

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Speaker 4: I think that that's what I thought too. I also

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Speaker 4: just wondered if there's a small factor playing into it

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Speaker 4: of the Raiders playing last night, and maybe I don't

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Speaker 4: know that that's probably not the case, but I just

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Speaker 4: wonder you any.

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Speaker 2: Any that's that you know, like we need to Yes,

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Speaker 4: To get this game. We're not really ready for the

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Speaker 4: game plan. I don't know, maybe to see what makes

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Speaker 4: more sense to me that they needed a day to

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Speaker 4: like regroup. Really, I think all.

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Speaker 1: Of the above if they've never done that before.

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Speaker 4: No, even when there's a Monday that game that they're.

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Speaker 1: I think it's the reset there.

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Speaker 2: And plus they're leaving on Friday for Vegas, so that

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Speaker 2: might have something to do with it. I don't know. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think everything's upside down right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think it's more about what the state of the

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Speaker 1: team is right now and what Bill said, you know,

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Speaker 1: we need to start over all of us. We need

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Speaker 1: to figure it out. And I do think what what

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Speaker 1: Freddy sort of speculated like I need some time with

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Speaker 1: and I think there was some serious you know, I

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Speaker 1: think it might have been one of those deals where

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Speaker 1: Bill said, Okay, I got I got everybody here. We're

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Speaker 1: open to all suggestions. There's no such thing as a

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Speaker 1: bad suggestion. Let's hear it. What do you guys that

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Speaker 1: how do we how do we do this? What's steps?

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Speaker 1: And I think that they probably took all of the

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Speaker 1: information that everybody provided and they decided what direction that

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Speaker 1: we're going to go to.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien talked today about an hour ago and they

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Speaker 1: were asked if he expected Mac Jones to remain at quarterback,

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Speaker 1: and he said he did, I do.

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Speaker 1: I do expect him to remain at quarterback. So, taking

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Speaker 1: that at face value, that maybe that's not one of

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Speaker 1: the changes they're going to make. But I do think

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Speaker 1: they thought long and hard about it. If they're not

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Speaker 1: going to do it, I think it was close.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well I like that. I mean, I think in

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Speaker 4: some ways people talking about that Mac might need a

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Speaker 4: reset day or just get him out. I mean, I

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Speaker 4: think that there is some benefit to that. Sometimes, you know,

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Speaker 4: in other sports at least. But Bill O'Brien wasn't having that.

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Speaker 4: He just said that, you know, you get your reset

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Speaker 4: time on your day off. So dahn Erck comes Evan

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Speaker 4: back from this practice, so we'll see who was out there.

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Speaker 9: I also, I don't know if if starting Bailey's Appy

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Speaker 9: on Sunday would help Mac at all. Like I think,

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Speaker 9: you know, for some people, they respond well to adversity

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Speaker 9: and they see like, I'm going to work even harder

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Speaker 9: to get my job back. For him, I don't know if,

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Speaker 9: especially with what happened last year, if that would help him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I I just got it's a good thing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the point of of you know, getting up in

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Speaker 4: the stands and watching just a big picture perspective, not

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Speaker 4: having the pressure on you, and you know, maybe just

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Speaker 4: realizing like, oh I do have a little more time

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Speaker 4: than I'm realizing. You know, I get that. But it

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Speaker 4: doesn't sound like they're really interesting Evan Evans.

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Speaker 10: Evan has we turned? Evan has returned?

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Speaker 9: Has we turned from practice?

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Speaker 2: All right, Evan, this is a kind of an odd

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Speaker 2: time for you to be back from practice, But nevertheless.

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Speaker 11: A rare Tuesday practice for the Patriots. I think it's

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Speaker 11: warranted given the last two weeks of what we've seen.

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Speaker 11: But some good news to start Number eleven, Taekwon Thornton

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Speaker 11: back at Patriots practice on Tuesday. It's gonna be a

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Speaker 11: light day walk more like a walkthrough type practice. So

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Speaker 11: I think some of the guys that were injured or

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Speaker 11: this practice, I should say, And I wouldn't look too

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Speaker 11: much into that quite yet. Let's see what it looks

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Speaker 11: like tomorrow if they're back in pads and are really

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Speaker 11: practicing to start the week. But Taekwon Thornton back at practice,

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Speaker 11: and then not spotted Mike Win with that ankle injury.

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Speaker 11: H the two guys that are in concussion protocol Juju

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Speaker 11: remains on the active roster for some reason. So those

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Speaker 11: bit of good news. I guess that Taekwan's back out there.

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Speaker 2: Like you said, we'll see tomorrow because walk throughs a

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Speaker 2: lot of times guys that aren't gonna play or just

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Speaker 2: stand are at walkthroughs, but they.

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Speaker 4: Wouldn't have him out there if they because now this

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Speaker 4: starts the clock even though it was a yes, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Believe that's not it, but it may have changed it.

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Speaker 1: If it's a walkthrough, it might be like Evan's talking about,

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Speaker 1: where it hasn't. But I would expect the clock to

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Speaker 1: start this week. I mean I yeah, it certainly seemed

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Speaker 1: like by all accounts, people expected it last week. So

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Speaker 1: by the way, I wouldn't be surprised if what's the

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Speaker 1: last person.

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Speaker 2: Who sat in this chair Fortney Cox? Just like pills?

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Speaker 2: Oh nice, like or something? They look like what like.

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Speaker 1: How you threw that out there on the air? That

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Speaker 1: was that was you know, just.

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Speaker 4: That was takes a variety of anxiety pills just a quote.

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Speaker 1: Really Oh so she talks about it on the air.

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Speaker 1: So you didn't just order as a pill popper, right,

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Speaker 1: I like it.

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Speaker 4: Those are pretty big ones.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're big.

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Speaker 4: They're big pills.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, horse pills.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this has gone. This is gone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so here's here's like the size of it. Half

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Speaker 2: of it? This only half.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's Jardians if you take once daily jar.

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Speaker 2: I thought they might be like, but that's a different one.

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Speaker 2: There's like a prescription thing on it, So I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Man, take a picture of it, Blaskar, Yeah, Tager on

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Speaker 4: social media.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get it rid of that. Somebody will zoom

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Speaker 2: in and say, oh my god, they're on drugs.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's not ready yet. When he's ready.

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Speaker 2: I do have one message to remember for Patriots fans

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Speaker 2: who say they're embarrassed by what's going.

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Speaker 4: You're you gonna take it to camera three over here?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, better to have been a dynasty and fallen than

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Speaker 2: never to have been a dynasty at all. That's all

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Speaker 2: I can say.

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Speaker 1: Can really argue with that?

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Speaker 4: That was poetics?

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Speaker 1: I can't really, I mean, how can you have an

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Speaker 2: Right? So just remember you see, you've seen, right, you've

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Speaker 2: seen some pretty good times right now, maybe this is

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Speaker 2: you know, uh, the exact opposite, but it'll get better.

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Speaker 4: And you know, Sparta, well this is I mean, it's

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Speaker 4: it's interesting, it's new, it's I don't want to say

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Speaker 4: a struggle, but you know, it's it's a whole new perspective.

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Speaker 4: And I feel like, you know, for our jobs, if

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Speaker 4: you can do it now, you can do it anytime,

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Speaker 4: Like you know, when everything's kind of up against you

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Speaker 4: turn around. There'll be some positives too, you know, but

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Speaker 4: you also just want to like produce content that doesn't

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Speaker 4: sound like you're like, hey, isn't anything great still? You know,

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Speaker 4: like you got to read the room.

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Speaker 2: As always, we need to be honest, balanced and fair.

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Speaker 1: This I led my notes this week. It just posted

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Speaker 1: this morning with the notion of trying to find a

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Speaker 1: way to start over, like like build does that mean?

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Speaker 1: Like Bill said, what what does that really entail? And

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Speaker 1: I'll be the first to tell you, as I said Sunday,

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Speaker 1: I don't have any idea, but I just threw a

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Speaker 1: couple of things out there. The fans not taking it well.

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Speaker 1: I would love to go away with that nonsense.

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Speaker 9: I would love to tap into like maybe like a

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Speaker 9: Golden State Warrior fan or a Laker fan. But I

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Speaker 9: feel like, is it different in the NBA when you

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Speaker 9: kind of they're more like individual player fans too?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe, like it's like around here the Celtics of

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Speaker 1: the Dynasty. Just so you know, we didn't we didn't

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Speaker 1: win half of our titles when we were playing for

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Speaker 1: somebody else like the Lakers. Did, Yeah, let's not go there.

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Speaker 4: I just think the thing Celtics have. The thing that's

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Speaker 4: hard about it is just that there's so many things

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Speaker 4: to point the finger at that you just kind of

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Speaker 1: That's just makes it really hard, like when you're trying

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Speaker 4: Especially in the situation where three and out, it's like,

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Speaker 11: Have a tough I'm now I have a I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're all it really takes as a couple,

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Speaker 11: Yea, we're talking about, from top to bottom, a complete

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Speaker 3: It's all of it. It's all of it.

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Speaker 11: And I don't where do you start to start over.

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Speaker 1: The two drives in the second quarter. Yeah, but let's

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Speaker 2: they have a play here and there, okay, but you know,

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Speaker 11: From the I think in the first let's call it

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Speaker 11: and he blamed mid level management right where you're pointing

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Speaker 11: Thank you, supervisor Mike, and saying like it's his fault

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Speaker 11: It's not Mike's fault. It's the CEO's fault.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when when there's when there's such a failure, I

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Speaker 2: I mean it's right, something's not getting through to everybody.

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Speaker 9: Do you think it's gonna be even harder to get

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Speaker 9: Like to know that, Like it's like hard to hear.

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Speaker 9: It's hard to keep hearing that because after a while

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Speaker 2: No, you need to you need to come to Jesus meeting,

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Speaker 2: I need people who care? You know, we're in this together.

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Speaker 11: I don't know how, and they're gonna roll Mac back

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Speaker 11: And that starts with right after the game, David andrew Well,

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Speaker 11: We can't turn it over, we can't turn it over.

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Speaker 4: and they're down seven to nothing. And you know, I

437
00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,120
Speaker 4: watched mostly just the defense back but and then they're

438
00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,639
Speaker 4: they're fine, like nobody's making plays though, you know, and

439
00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,159
Speaker 4: it's just they can, you know.

440
00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,080
Speaker 1: And I'm a little critical of the defense, and I

441
00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:26,600
Speaker 1: admit that I don't think they have Fred's old thing.

442
00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,960
Speaker 1: They have no hope, you know, they have to get

443
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,560
Speaker 1: belief from what's going on in the other areas of

444
00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,040
Speaker 1: the game. And I don't think the defense was great

445
00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:36,600
Speaker 1: to start the game. But they found a way to

446
00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,359
Speaker 1: force two punts. Now they got a lot of help,

447
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:41,840
Speaker 1: but they found a way to force two punts on

448
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,800
Speaker 1: the first two drives, and then they get a pick six.

449
00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,000
Speaker 1: So now they come back on the field. The next

450
00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:48,639
Speaker 1: time they come back on the field, they had trailing

451
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:53,000
Speaker 1: seven nothing. They haven't allowed a scoring drive, and what happened, touchdown,

452
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,159
Speaker 1: touch big plays the next two times they are on

453
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,880
Speaker 1: the field. Because and I'm not putting this on the defense,

454
00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying it's hard to play that way when you're

455
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,560
Speaker 1: not getting anything from there you have any belief that

456
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,040
Speaker 1: the other side is going to do something.

457
00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:06,639
Speaker 9: And I want to go to what Evan said to

458
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,399
Speaker 9: just about how like how the offense was looking with

459
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 9: Hunter Henry with his palms up when Mac Johns went

460
00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,960
Speaker 9: to the sideline, nobody on the offense went over to

461
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,240
Speaker 9: cheer him up. It was Dietrich Wise who went over

462
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,600
Speaker 9: and had a few words with him, and it's just

463
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,800
Speaker 9: it's sad to see like no one came over to him.

464
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:22,960
Speaker 4: See, that's that's.

465
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,240
Speaker 2: Want I want trick Wise in my fox hole.

466
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:31,239
Speaker 1: No me too, you know me, but you guys know,

467
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,639
Speaker 1: like I always find it more fascinating this kind of

468
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 1: stuff like that. I'm more into the soap opera. And

469
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,560
Speaker 1: sometimes in the off season people get on me for

470
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 1: that because you know, let's let's we don't know what

471
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 1: they know football wise, you know, no offense. So so

472
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:53,440
Speaker 1: it's to me, it's it's more interesting and more uh

473
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,680
Speaker 1: just some more important to sort of like how they

474
00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 1: all put together the people. It's like when we when

475
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 1: we talk about the picks and in games and I

476
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 1: talk about the spot, it's not about like the x's

477
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,359
Speaker 1: and os, It's about that team had to go across

478
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 1: the country and they do this, and they did that,

479
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,880
Speaker 1: and those are the kinds of like the external factors,

480
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 1: and I think right now there's a lot of that

481
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:15,919
Speaker 1: going on in the locker room. And you know, I

482
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,880
Speaker 1: listened to Burt Brier, and I don't think Burt Brier

483
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,399
Speaker 1: is the end all be all either. Okay, I like Burt,

484
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 1: but he works harder space it not everything he reports

485
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 1: is accurate. He writes a lot of this kind of

486
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 1: stuff that I'm interested. And he talked about the defense

487
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 1: has been on Mac Jones in practice for consistently making

488
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 1: these kinds of reckless plays. Interesting. This was last week

489
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,119
Speaker 1: heading into this game, you know, saying like, you can't

490
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:42,879
Speaker 1: make that play, that's the kind of play. It's going

491
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 1: to be an interception in the game. And then he

492
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,639
Speaker 1: comes out and you know, instead of taking the sack

493
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,880
Speaker 1: on the third and six on the second drive, he

494
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,199
Speaker 1: tries to just get rid of it and throws it

495
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 1: recklessly into trouble and it ends up in the worst

496
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 1: possible So I don't result, and I think the defense

497
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 1: is like, what are we doing? So I'm not giving

498
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 1: my David Andrews and Hunter Henry are asked.

499
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 2: Assuming that report is accurate. Shouldn't it be Bill O'Brien

500
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,239
Speaker 2: on his butt about that? And are they babying him?

501
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 1: That's another part of like sort of the soap opera

502
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 1: likee was talking about.

503
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 4: But yeah, but I think I think in some ways,

504
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 4: and I don't want to say it worse, but like

505
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 4: it's more impactful. I feel like when the defense is like,

506
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 4: you know, in your face, I mean, you hear that

507
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 4: stuff a lot of how competitive things would be between

508
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 4: Brady and the old defense, you know, about how they

509
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 4: push each other and all that. But I think the

510
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 4: defense is probably sick of it, and every time they're

511
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 4: getting a pick in practice, they're like, this is what's happening, Like,

512
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, this is their chance to then

513
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,640
Speaker 4: rub it in his face a little bit. I mean,

514
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 4: Bill O'Brien's got to do it. And that's of course

515
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 4: corrections that are being made after practice. But I it's

516
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 4: interesting to me just that the defense.

517
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 1: And that was another part of the soap opera was

518
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: Zoe was talking about. During the game, there was a

519
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: time where evidently O'Brien, we can't see this from our purge,

520
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: but O'Brien sort of had his head in his hands.

521
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 4: There's a picture of double face.

522
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 1: Belichick has his Bill him. Yeah. Bill Belichick was like

523
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 1: beeemingly consoling O'Brian. Mac is there, Zappy's over there. Mac

524
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: and Zappy seemed to have no interaction whatsoever. And at

525
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: the same time, the players are like, these are the

526
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 1: same mistakes. He keeps making the same mistakes, and then

527
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: again not knowing if all of this is true or not.

528
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 1: It's all just anecdotal from Afar. Then after the game

529
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 1: is like an anonymous quote to whatever was it, Fox

530
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,439
Speaker 1: Fox or you know, with Henry McKenna who ascribes something

531
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: to you know, ostensibly someone in Max camp who says,

532
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 1: what do you think we're gonna do?

533
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 2: You know, like, you can't make garbage taste make.

534
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: Garbage taste good if you're the cook. Okay, how do

535
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: you think that goes over? Yeah, but it doesn't matter

536
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: if it's not true. It's out there, you know, like

537
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 1: mentally this team is fried right now.

538
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

539
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 9: I also don't like that quote because I'm like, you're

540
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 9: actually the cook is doing well right, You're right now

541
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 9: he looks like a cook and training, not a chef

542
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:54,120
Speaker 9: a fox.

543
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 11: So like in Max defense, because we're ripping Mac a lot,

544
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 11: and rightfully so I'm ripping every but in Max defense,

545
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 11: this is this is abhorrent, Like they can't block anybody.

546
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 11: The routes are horrible. The guy that they brought in

547
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 11: to replace Jacobe Myers is toast, Like I don't want

548
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 11: to see Juju on the field anymore.

549
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:13,919
Speaker 3: He's horrible.

550
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 2: But that all you said is true. As a quarterback,

551
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 2: you can't be telling your camp because.

552
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 11: I'm telling you right now, and I just no disrespect

553
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 11: to Henry. I am would be really really shocked if

554
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 11: that quote is true.

555
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 1: Oh then that that's terrible. That's terribly shocked. If the

556
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 1: quote is true, or if it came from someone that's

557
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: truly in Max camp, because I go.

558
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 4: To the last yeah, yes, well it's one of Max buddies,

559
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 4: doesn't think everyone around him is good enough, someone who.

560
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: Wants someone who once met Max Jones. I mean, if

561
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: he made up the quote, that's really no.

562
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 11: I'm not saying that because I like, I'm not trying

563
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 11: to like disrespect Henry like that, but as somebody that

564
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 11: can has tried to get into Mac Jones's ear. Trust

565
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 11: me when I trust me when I tell you his

566
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:07,199
Speaker 11: camp is extremely tight, extremely tight. He's not on social media,

567
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 11: he doesn't have a big friendship circle or circle of trust.

568
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 2: It's like him, Yeah.

569
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 11: It's it's his family, his parents, and it's well, I

570
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 11: don't know about that, but and I like, you know,

571
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 11: it's it's a very it's a very very small nucleus

572
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 11: of people that really talk to Mac and and get

573
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 11: access to Mac.

574
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: Can we agree that wouldn't be any agent dumb enough

575
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: to say something like that. So I can't imagine.

576
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 2: I could imagine he thought he was off the record.

577
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 11: Okay, I just feel like, you know, on some levels,

578
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 11: I feel like all of the blame towards Mac is

579
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 11: totally justified. He's playing like crap all right. His feet

580
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 11: are all over the place, his eyes are all over

581
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 11: the place. He's not running plays even from clean pockets.

582
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 11: He's not seeing it. He's not getting to the open reads,

583
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 11: he's not delivering the ball on time. Like all these

584
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 11: things they're true, And why I would bench I would

585
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,199
Speaker 11: sit him down because this is you can't win with

586
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 11: quarterback play like this, regardless of what's going on around him.

587
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 3: You just can't.

588
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 11: And for all of Zappi's faults, I think he's there's

589
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 11: somebody to be said for the fact that he's less

590
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 11: broken by the situation currently than Mac. And secondly, he

591
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 11: moves around better back there than Mac does. I think,

592
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 11: at least from it.

593
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 1: I don't think there's much question that moves around.

594
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 11: Yeah, he moves around a little bit better. He's a

595
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 11: little bit bouncier in the pocket, he can kind of

596
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 11: evade the rush a little bit more. And maybe having

597
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 11: somebody back there that that will, you know, skip to

598
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 11: his left or skip to his right a little bit

599
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 11: and then make the throw will help the offensive line

600
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 11: a little bit. I'm not saying it's going to be

601
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 11: worlds better, and his accuracy, as you know, been a

602
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 11: real concern. But I don't see how Mac puts himself

603
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 11: back together again on the fly, like having to focus

604
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 11: on the Raiders and Max Crosby and the game plan

605
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 11: and all these different elements like a mental reset. And

606
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 11: I know Bill O'Brien said that there's no such thing

607
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 11: in season as a mental reset, but that's where I

608
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 11: would go. But at the same time, like that's scapegoating

609
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 11: Mac for Belichick's failures.

610
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: YEA, Like this is.

611
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 11: That you're you're blaming what happened to this offense over

612
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 11: the last you know whatever games it's been, you know,

613
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 11: twenty games now dating back to last year on the

614
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 11: quarterback when the problem is really with the head coach

615
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 11: and the general manager. Like you came into the season

616
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 11: with no tackles besides Trent Brown, you have no receivers

617
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 11: that are worth a damn to anybody. You like, you

618
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:39,959
Speaker 11: have an offense that is completely talentless, completely and you know,

619
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 11: you go watch like the Raiders and the Packers, like

620
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 11: even last night, that they have a totally different ballgame.

621
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 11: Like I just watched the Raiders offense film and it's like,

622
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 11: you know, they got different ways to attack you. They

623
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 11: got different guys to attack you with, Like you want

624
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,959
Speaker 11: double cover DeVante Adams. We have Jacobe Myers, we have

625
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 11: the running game with Josh Jacobs, We have other plans up.

626
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 2: And we have are with a halfway line. Yeah, and

627
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: you know, because they haven't been able to run the

628
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 2: ball up.

629
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,959
Speaker 1: Their offensive line is terrible. Yeah, but this is I

630
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: think this is the point. You can do things with

631
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: a bad offensive line if you have some skill guys

632
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: that can overcome.

633
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 3: You know, I'm watching.

634
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: Struggling offensively to know they don't score either, but it's

635
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: even the fact that they don't score, like they scored

636
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: seventeen points in that game, and it still looks World's

637
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: worlds better than anything the Patriots. Yeah, and you're watching

638
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: Garoppolo and he's calm and he's seeing it and he's

639
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: progressing through his reads. You know, there's a play before

640
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: the half where he's got DeVante Adams running a double move.

641
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 11: It's not there. He comes off that comes to the

642
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 11: backside dig makes the throw. Like these are things that

643
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 11: Mac is just not doing right now because the second

644
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 11: that the first read isn't immediately there for him, it's

645
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 11: panic mode.

646
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 3: It's instant panic.

647
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 2: But also there's people on top of them. You know,

648
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 2: that's part.

649
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 11: But even but even when there's not like even from

650
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 11: the clean pockets, it's you know, it's skipping reads, it's

651
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 11: getting to it's first read check down or first read panic.

652
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 11: Like those are like the two elements of this.

653
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Speaker 1: Six was one of those. He like the protection was

654
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: reasonable and I don't think he thought it was, and

655
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: he kind of panicked and tried to throw a check

656
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: down to Stevenson was at his feet. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

657
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: I mean he was had to play. They had no chance,

658
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: so I thought he had some time.

659
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 4: These things are overshadowing everything for me. And it's like

660
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 4: you can get down to the nitty gritty of the

661
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 4: offensive line and max footwards, but it's like, if the

662
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 4: team doesn't believe in Mac, or the team isn't buying

663
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 4: what Belichick is saying, they're anywhere doesn't. Yeah, I mean

664
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 4: I think that. I think I think it's totally relevant

665
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 4: because that's what this team doesn't look like right now.

666
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 4: They don't look like it.

667
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: They Sunday that wasn't playing for its head coach and

668
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: wasn't playing for its quarter.

669
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 4: They were just kind of running out there and and

670
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 4: it just got worse. And we said it right from

671
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 4: the get go when he threw the.

672
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying quit, Like, don't mistake that I

673
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: said that they laid down, because I don't think they did, no,

674
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: But I don't think they have belief in what's going on.

675
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,719
Speaker 4: Right right and to win an NFL football game, like,

676
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 4: you have to be all in as a team, you know,

677
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 4: to be a great team, you have to all be

678
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 4: all in.

679
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 2: As easy as the Patriots have made it look over

680
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 2: the last dynasty it's hard to win football games in

681
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 2: the NFL.

682
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 4: See it now, it's hard to win now.

683
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 11: It's also hard to lose thirty four to nothing. Right, So,

684
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 11: like if you're losing thirty four to nothing like I

685
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 11: we and myself included, we talk about the talent gap

686
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 11: and like the lack of talent offensively, these are NFL players,

687
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 11: Like these guys on the Patriots roster are NFL players.

688
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 11: You don't lose seventy two to three in a two

689
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 11: week span just because you're down talent compared to the

690
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 11: other team.

691
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 2: No, it's a bigger there's more issues.

692
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: Like normally, if you're just short on talent, you lose

693
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: like you did the first two games. Yeah right, yeah,

694
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: which we were quite good enough.

695
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 4: They plays better than they're you know, they made the

696
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 4: plays we didn't.

697
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: But so there's only one guy right now they can

698
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 2: write this ship, and that's Bill Belichick. He's the only

699
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 2: it's up to him. He created it. He's the only

700
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 2: guy that can.

701
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 4: Well that's that's where I've landed. I'm sure we can all.

702
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 4: You know, we got a lot of calls about like

703
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 4: fire Bill and stuff and get I just think he's

704
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 4: spent the last twenty plus years building this ship, you

705
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 4: make them walk the plank. Now he's getting off easy,

706
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 4: you know, like he's just getting out and someone else

707
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 4: is gonna have to deal with the mess he put

708
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 4: this team together. He's gonna have to, you know, finish

709
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 4: this season out and and try to turn it around.

710
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 4: It's his, it's his mess what he made.

711
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 2: So thirteen wins is still in play.

712
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 11: Oh, I understand, like from an organizational perspective, and I

713
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 11: feel like I understand this a little bit more now

714
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 11: than I maybe did before that the optics of firing

715
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 11: in season a head coach like Bill Belichick who has

716
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 11: built this entire thing alongside you basically for the last

717
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 11: twenty five years, is like a slap in the face.

718
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 11: That's probably a step too far. The crafts like, you can't.

719
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 11: There's six Super Bowl banners hanging up, and regardless of

720
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 11: where you fall on the Brady Belichick thing, their percentage

721
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 11: of the credit goes to Bill, like, regardless of how

722
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 11: much percentage you feel like it does, And you can't

723
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 11: just fire a guy with that kind of cachet in

724
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 11: the middle of the season. With that being said, the

725
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 11: last two weeks and Sunday in particular, is a fireable offense,

726
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 11: Like the way that this team performed at home after

727
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 11: getting their doors blown off in Dallas, to come out

728
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 11: and get shut out on your home turf is fireable.

729
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 9: Any other two So a team that was beatable too,

730
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 9: it's like they they weren't out here scoring thirty points

731
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 9: every single week either, So I think that's a tough

732
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 9: part to it. It was the Saints, like it wasn't like

733
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 9: it was the Bills.

734
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: And I would look at some of the different things

735
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: that happened in those games, like you get you know,

736
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: obviously the glaring one is fourth and three from the

737
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: forty down twenty four to nothing with nine to fifty

738
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: five left in the third quarter. Like that to me

739
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: is like and I know he's like, well, we hadn't

740
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: seen anything about our ability to convert on third or

741
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: fourth down, so let's let's not try, right, Like are

742
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,879
Speaker 1: you just pouting now? And that's when I get back

743
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: to my soap opera stuff, like what message does that

744
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: send to your team? Okay, the coach has decided the

745
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: game is over. Now listen, We're not stupid. We've all

746
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: watched NFL games. It was twenty four to nothing, with

747
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: ten minutes left in the third quarter, we all felt

748
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: the game was over. Okay, so I'm not telling you

749
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: that it was like the most egregious capitulation that I've

750
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: ever seen. But to do that in the game is

751
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: not normal.

752
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 4: No, it felt more about you guys, can't do it.

753
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 1: So if it's fourth and three from your own twenty five,

754
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: by all means punt the ball, but from the other

755
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: team's forty, especially where.

756
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 4: You're trying to get something brilliant even if you've lost

757
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 4: the game, Like, hey see, if I can get a

758
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 4: drive fourth down with a great play and we score

759
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 4: a really nice touchdown and we come out of this

760
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 4: game saying it was terrible. But man, they went for

761
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 4: them on that fourth down and they showed some fight there,

762
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 4: and you know that will be the talking.

763
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: And now you give the defense a reason to take

764
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: the field and say, hey, we just scored, let's get

765
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: the ball back. Yeah, you know, I don't think the

766
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: defense is near the top of the problem list, right,

767
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: but they forced two turnovers all year, ye right, two takeaways?

768
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 4: So it was it the Gonzales pick and what was

769
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 4: the other one fumble?

770
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: The first Marcus Jones recovered to fumble on Jalen.

771
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 11: Hurs, Jabriel Peppers, your boy, how you forget that?

772
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 2: Yeah?

773
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 11: But I think that's that's the point, is like if

774
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 11: you could point to you know, you're you're coming through

775
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 11: this this tape, and if you could say, oh, like

776
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 11: this was they did this consistently well, or they did

777
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 11: that good, or they did what like a drive at

778
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 11: the end of the game. It's garbage time, it doesn't matter,

779
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 11: but at least you could look at that drive and say, hey,

780
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,439
Speaker 11: they strung like six seven plays consecutively together, and these

781
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 11: are the plays and this is what they can do well,

782
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 11: and this is what they're you know, leaning on here

783
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 11: and in this game you just there's just there's none

784
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 11: of that.

785
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: There's really Remember when the Patriots had a couple of

786
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: garbage time wins to close the twenty eighteen season that

787
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: no one thought meant anything and turned out to be

788
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: their new identity into the postseason, right, Yea, you know,

789
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: they found out that they could do some things with

790
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: Sony Michelle and they kind of wrote that now, I

791
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 1: obviously they don't do any of it without Brady because

792
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: we all know how the game's unfolded. But that was

793
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: how they played, they started to lean a little bit more,

794
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: and that's it. I don't know the answer to the

795
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: question what they do well, but to me, I think

796
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: the number one priority has to be to try to

797
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: figure out anyway, some way, somehow to get Remondo Stan.

798
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 2: I'd like to hope that, you know, there is that

799
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 2: type of you know, change that can happen like in eighteen.

800
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: But I just don't see the horses. No.

801
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about like you're thirteen and fortes.

802
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 2: I'm not even saying I'm just.

803
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: Talking about what I would do on Sunday is I

804
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: would probably say, like maybe even like let's just take

805
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 1: Pharaoh Brown and just line them up and forget three

806
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 1: tight ends, line them up at full back and run power,

807
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: you know, like some power. I don't know if it

808
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: would work. I'm not telling you that's the like the panas,

809
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: just but something to take the pressure off of the quarterback.

810
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 11: I think they are going to try to do some

811
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 11: of those things, like you know, the Kendrick Bourne play

812
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 11: action pass that game twenty eight yards in the second

813
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 11: half is like a seven man protect like max protect.

814
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 11: Let's keep all the tight ends in and let's just

815
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 11: hold the forour it and it's a two man route

816
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 11: combination running the ball out of like full back alignments

817
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 11: or heavy personnel groupings and just essentially simplifying it all

818
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 11: the way down.

819
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 2: And that works at times. I remember, you know, going

820
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 2: back with Bloodstoe, when the old line would would be

821
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 2: beat up, they'd leave that extra guy in and they

822
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,280
Speaker 2: do match protect and they'd have a semblance of an offense.

823
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 2: They'd figure it out.

824
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 4: It just gives you less to kind of work with

825
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 4: on the outside. But it just gives you less to

826
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 4: kind of fake out and work with, and you know,

827
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 4: less options for mackets. Kind of like it's all on

828
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 4: Kendrick Bourne. Now you got to get open on this one.

829
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 4: So it's the Raiders. You know, the Raiders were just okay.

830
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 4: I mean they're not good defensively period, but they're just

831
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 4: okay stopping the run. I thought the Packers had some success.

832
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: Last night, just playing boring power football early on with

833
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: AJ Dillon, and I thought they had some drives. Now

834
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,439
Speaker 1: they kept making mistakes. It was those two teams last

835
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: night I thought looked close to being pretty good. But

836
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 1: you see why they're kind of middling because they keep

837
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: making mistakes.

838
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 4: Oh, boy, oh boy.

839
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's it's like if they let the Raiders go

840
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 9: out and score thirty.

841
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 4: Oh jeez, oh no, no, no, no.

842
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 3: The Raiders aren't going to score thirty unless you buy

843
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 3: the Raiders.

844
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, unless you score some for them.

845
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 4: But it just Jacobe Miners is probably gonna throw a touchdown.

846
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, let him try.

847
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: Uh, just so you know, they were really intent on

848
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: a trick play.

849
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 4: Last week, couple.

850
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: I saw that I had a pitch to Jacobs that

851
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: he was going to throw it back to Jimmy, and

852
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: I think it was Russeull Douglas decision. Yes, there's a

853
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: good play by Jacobs not to throw it back, And

854
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: then they had a flee flick or later that Josh.

855
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 3: Loves the flickers, the flickers.

856
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: They call, he will throw some. I mean he's I

857
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: think he's leading the league and picks, right, Jimmy.

858
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 3: G Yeah, threw a bad one. I actually thought it

859
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 3: was a bad one yesterday.

860
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 11: The one last night I thought was more on Jacoby

861
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 11: not to like not pointing fingers that.

862
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 4: They made the right decision.

863
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 1: We haven't thrown any picks with Juju's fault.

864
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 11: Yeah, but yeah, I felt like he drifted a little

865
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 11: bit on the route and but.

866
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 4: That's a Kobe thing. It's it's I mean, it's gonna

867
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 4: fester this week. But like just the I mean it's

868
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 4: it's it's funny the guys like me and Evan and

869
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 4: you know, Brian Hines, it that's pulpit, you know, like

870
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 4: all these like you know, all right, all right, like

871
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 4: all of us who are like, no, no, I see it,

872
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 4: they're gonna swit like all of us to a tea

873
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 4: are just like what were we thinking? And now it's

874
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 4: it's almost like this this one, this this personnel decision

875
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 4: is really one that I think is hanging around Bill, right,

876
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 4: and we all we we.

877
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 2: Had a guy who we drafted who was doing well,

878
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 2: and we complained, why can't we develop wide receivers? Well,

879
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 2: we were in the process of that.

880
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, we can all agree that I was outside

881
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: the move, right, Yeah, oh yeah, but it was that.

882
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: But but I I just thought there was no real

883
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: difference between the players, and why not stick with the

884
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: guy as Fred said that you developed and I had

885
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: a relationship with Mac. It wasn't like, oh, no, Myers

886
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: is way better than No. I didn't think that. I

887
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: thought they were kind of the same guy. Yeah, they're not.

888
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 4: They're definitely not. And I mean it was staring you

889
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 4: right there in the face, and you know, I just

890
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 4: I still feel bad. Like you know, I never felt

891
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 4: it was disrespectful to Jacoby, but it just wasn't truly

892
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 4: valuing what he was. And I mean, and I said

893
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,760
Speaker 4: it a couple of times as well, he was always

894
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 4: productive with whatever quarterback you put him with. He was

895
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 4: productive with Cam Newton.

896
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: And that is for to get in Brady's services at

897
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: the very end, that's a really good point.

898
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 4: And for a team that's just like we don't really

899
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 4: know what the quarterbacks, it's like you need those guys

900
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 4: who are Look, even whatever happens with Mac, we know

901
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 4: we can count on Jacoby. Myers was going to be

902
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 4: a solid two three. I know that's a negative thing

903
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 4: around here, but he don't even have that.

904
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 2: When we lost Myers, it was a double whammy. Not

905
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 2: only do we lose one of our best receivers, we

906
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 2: lost one of our best listeners and his father.

907
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 4: I hope he still listens just because it was our

908
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 4: analysis is top flight, but I mean, it's it's it's

909
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 4: a it's just a really really hard move to reconcile

910
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 4: in what this team needs. And you know, and also

911
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 4: just a tough sell for Bill. As you know, Jacoby

912
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 4: was such a model player of an undrafted I think.

913
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 2: His speaking out had something to do with him part

914
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 2: of that problem here.

915
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's part of the pat.

916
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 9: I'm like for Mac Jones, he really needed him. So

917
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 9: I'm like, you would have just had to get over

918
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 9: that because.

919
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 4: I mean, this year for calling the offense like bad,

920
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 4: like calling out a terrible offense.

921
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 9: Like imagine this year Mac having him, like knowing that

922
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 9: he would be there, Okay, if my first reason there,

923
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 9: Jakobe will be there, Like that.

924
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 4: Would have helped them and Max how many times you

925
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 4: say last year like, oh, he's my best friend on

926
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 4: the team, Like he's my you know, I hope I'm

927
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 4: playing with him for a long time. I remember that

928
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,479
Speaker 4: quote specifically, And you know, it's just another little thing

929
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 4: that didn't set Mac Johnson.

930
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 11: He's just so Jacoby looks so at home playing next

931
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 11: to DeVante Adams, Like that's like where he belongs, is

932
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 11: the number two to a guy like DeVante Adams. And

933
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 11: he's on pace for eleven hundred yards eleven hundred yards

934
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 11: this year and he also just looks like his body

935
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 11: language he like, i' mean an offense with McDaniels and DeVante.

936
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 4: Adams like it just it looks he looks to him.

937
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 2: Just looks like it looks like an NFL receiver who produces.

938
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know.

939
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 2: I noticed the same thing after that touchdown when he

940
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 2: went to the bench.

941
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: I noticed hemour yeah shoulder.

942
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 2: I noticed that.

943
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 9: That weirdly makes me wonder what it would be like

944
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 9: if Mac had Josh and Jacoby like both still.

945
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 11: I like stand outside Josh mcdaniels's window at the boo

946
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,720
Speaker 11: box like please please come.

947
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 4: Home in your playbook.

948
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 9: But it's but he needs to bring back Jacoby like Joshua.

949
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 4: Love it, love it.

950
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:06,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

951
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 11: They just you know, they have a you know with

952
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 11: with the Raiders. It's it's a similar thing with like

953
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 11: the quarterback, like the like Jimmy Garoppolo is not a

954
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 11: gunslinger back there either. He doesn't move well like he's

955
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 11: not it doesn't handle pressure well, but they get him

956
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 11: those like intermediate inbreaking rounds in rhythm, and he just

957
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 11: he's able to still just stand there and make some

958
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 11: throws like It's just.

959
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 2: Garoppolo is just the perfect West Coast operator. I know

960
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: that the West Coast offense is kind of out of

961
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,720
Speaker 2: vogue now, but that's what he's built for, Like quick

962
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 2: release in rhythm, accurate and the short to mid pass

963
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 2: is like he's perfect for that, you know. And when

964
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 2: he was at his best that short time when he

965
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 2: was with the Patriots in that game in Miami where

966
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 2: he got hurt, up to that point, it was all

967
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 2: quick release. I mean, I'm never he was perfect in

968
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 2: that game, perfect, you know.

969
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 9: And then do you think, like Mac Jones is lacking

970
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 9: that veteran that could, like how Jimmy g was out there, calm, cool,

971
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 9: collective the whole game, Like lacking that here, that veteran

972
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 9: voice to talk to him in the quarterback room and

973
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 9: help him through these moments like this, because I feel

974
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,439
Speaker 9: like Cam Newton was here, but like it's not the same.

975
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 2: Well, that's supposed to be your quarterback coach, you know,

976
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 2: that's that should be Bill O'Brien. It's supposed to be.

977
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 9: But you know, just not having that like there, you.

978
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 2: Just wonder, like Bill O'Brien comes in in all this

979
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 2: expectation with him he's gonna turn the offense around, and

980
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 2: now you know, things aren't going good. But how's he

981
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 2: feeling now? He's worrying about his own future. This is

982
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 2: hurting my future, my reputation.

983
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 11: You know I was Bill O'Brien, I would be just

984
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 11: furious with Bill. Furious, But like he went into the season,

985
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 11: they don't have a right tackle, Like, they don't have

986
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 11: a right tackle. They don't have any receivers. They don't

987
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 11: have a big play receiver, and they don't have like

988
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 11: a go to receiver. They don't have either one of

989
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 11: those guys. They don't have a third down running back, Like,

990
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 11: can they just have somebody that what happened a time

991
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 11: on going like on third and two? Can we just

992
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 11: pick up three yards on a little like swing pass

993
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 11: into the flat to James White?

994
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 3: No, that doesn't even exist anymore.

995
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 2: And that was such a huge part of this offense.

996
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 11: Yeah, so you don't have like Bill, like you talk

997
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 11: about Mac like being held back by the supporting cast.

998
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 11: Bill O'Brien has got like two hands tied behind his

999
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,760
Speaker 11: back and he's trying to make water out of wine,

1000
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 11: I mean or whatever.

1001
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 4: Well, it just makes me wonder if he's been watching

1002
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 4: the slow motion car crash since he got here in

1003
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 4: the spring and was like the draft and he saw

1004
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 4: saw what I'm just trying to like be like calm about.

1005
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 4: He looked at the offensive line after free agency, he

1006
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 4: looked at the defense after the draft and said, hey,

1007
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 4: you know, how about something Hollo something for me, you know,

1008
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 4: And I mean it's it's it's got to be building.

1009
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 4: It can't be got to the season. Was like all

1010
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 4: of a sudden realized, oh god, we have no players.

1011
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:52,959
Speaker 2: We gave you city.

1012
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: So that's why I brought up that fourth down play

1013
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: when Evan said, you know, like this is you know,

1014
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: a lot of this is Bill's baking. Like that's why

1015
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: I worry about the mentality of the team, the players themselves.

1016
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: You know, is everybody pulling in the same direction right

1017
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: now or is there a lot of confusion? Like this

1018
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: is really the offensive line he thought was what was

1019
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: going to give it put us in the position to

1020
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,280
Speaker 1: be able to be successful. Like how does mac Jones

1021
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: get a chance to succeed behind that offensive line? If

1022
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: you remember Madre Stevenson, how do I get I mean,

1023
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: I had a thousand yard year last year and I

1024
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: wanted to take a step forward and I'm getting hit

1025
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: in the backfield every other carry, you know.

1026
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,720
Speaker 3: So there's only carrying the ball eight times.

1027
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: There's a lot of that.

1028
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of all right, eight five five

1029
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 2: pass five hundred, too much, I do.

1030
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 3: Maybe I'll ask my own.

1031
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,720
Speaker 2: Question a five to five paths five hundred web radio

1032
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 2: at pitches dot com is the email address interested in

1033
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 2: Van Jefferson?

1034
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 1: Anyone? Sure? Evidently he's unhappy. Yeah, he didn't play much

1035
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: on Sunday. I think he's looking for a change of scenery.

1036
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to, I don't just

1037
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: don't know. I like Van Jefferson as a player, and

1038
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 1: I would certainly take him on this team. I just

1039
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: don't know if the Patriots are in a position where

1040
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: they should be at.

1041
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Like adding guys now is not.

1042
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: I'd rather go the other way.

1043
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 2: Let's let's get what we have going, what we have

1044
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 2: on the team.

1045
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 1: No, I would add guys, Like, how about we trade

1046
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: Kendrick Bourne to them and they give us Van Jefferson back. Yeah,

1047
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: take that man, just as long as I'm not giving

1048
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: up high high round draft picks. Would But yeah, I.

1049
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 11: Just I don't know, like the high round draft picks

1050
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 11: thing though, like you know, if you if you think

1051
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 11: you're going to be picking in the top five and

1052
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 11: obviously you're not trading your first round pick. But at

1053
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 11: the same time, like they just need good players and

1054
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 11: like to just like count on it all coming in

1055
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 11: the draft is gonna be.

1056
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: A way Van Jefferson, I don't think would go like no.

1057
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 11: No, only like no, I'm not talking I'm more like

1058
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 11: talking about like the Jerry Judy's of the world, like

1059
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 11: if those guys are are truly available, but like at

1060
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,439
Speaker 11: the same time, I am just out on bill making

1061
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 11: personnel to decisions at this point for this team. So

1062
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 11: like if they're gonna like trade guy but for guys

1063
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 11: or whatever, that is gonna mortgage the future, Like you know,

1064
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 11: I don't want him doing that, Like you know, if

1065
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 11: I'm crapped, I'm saying to him, like let's let's play

1066
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 11: out the string here and let's like hope it gets better,

1067
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 11: but we're not gonna trade our second round pick. That

1068
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 11: might be like the thirty fifth pick in the draft

1069
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,479
Speaker 11: for Jerry Judy just to like have you save face.

1070
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 3: We're not doing that to that point.

1071
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 9: If the Patriots continue down this road just not winning

1072
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 9: any more, games, and they're like, Okay, Bill, you can stay,

1073
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 9: but somebody else is gonna be GM. Do you think

1074
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 9: you do it?

1075
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 2: No?

1076
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 1: No, And I have no interest in that. I gotta

1077
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 1: be honest. I think that's dysfunctional. Yeah, I don't think

1078
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: that works. I heard my boys talking about that.

1079
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 9: And they're talking about it.

1080
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: Doesn't work.

1081
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 2: And you can't have say it doesn't work at all

1082
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 2: on any team or just because of Bill.

1083
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: Because of Bill, yeah, because he's been doing it fast.

1084
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,399
Speaker 1: So then if and I don't want him coaching those guys.

1085
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 9: Yeah, So then if you close the chapter with Bill,

1086
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 9: would you want a separation that have a higher GM

1087
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 9: and then also hire a new head coach?

1088
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 2: I think so unless there's somebody available as a head

1089
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 2: coach who's just really earned the right to run everything right,

1090
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 2: I don't see who that would be though.

1091
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, my guess is it would be a tandem of

1092
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: some sort. But I don't I'm not interested in only

1093
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: only half of Bill. I know a lot of other

1094
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: people think that's the be all end all. I don't

1095
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: want Bill coaching these offensive players if you're going to

1096
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: have an upgrade in talent, I don't want his mentality

1097
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: seeping into it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, are we all in agreement though when I

1099
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 4: think that we are that we do not want the

1100
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 4: you know, once Belichick leaves, we want to put a

1101
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 4: period on the Belichick period and not try to keep

1102
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 4: some of the Belichick system and some of the guys

1103
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 4: comes in.

1104
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I want a new fresh start.

1105
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 9: Yeah, I actually want to start all over, like a

1106
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 9: real story.

1107
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 2: I don't know, like you really don't know what's going on.

1108
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,919
Speaker 2: But like if another person comes in and says no, no,

1109
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 2: I want to keep this person, Like who you know,

1110
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 2: I'll throw Steve Belichick out there?

1111
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: Not interesting?

1112
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 11: Now the only guy that I would keep from this

1113
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 11: current staff other than like, you know, I really like Covington,

1114
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 11: I like I like Pellegrino. If Mayo, if you want

1115
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 11: to keep Gid Mayo is the defensive coordinator and actually

1116
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 11: give him the title of defensive coin.

1117
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,240
Speaker 1: Like that, Like I want I want to cut because

1118
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: I want to cut away from I think Mike is right.

1119
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: I want to put a period on the Bill Belichick

1120
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 1: period like that. That air is over and I want

1121
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: to cut. Now to your point, Fred, if a guy

1122
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:39,240
Speaker 1: has a relationship with Gerd Mayo or even Bill O'Brien,

1123
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: I don't know whatever. I'm not going to tell you.

1124
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 1: I hate it, but I don't want to tie the

1125
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 1: direct tie to Belichick. Well, plus, you don't want to

1126
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: start fair, and that's not a shot at Belichick. It's

1127
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: more like I just want to like sort of a

1128
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 1: clean I know.

1129
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 2: But you like, you hire the new guy, you're going

1130
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 2: to trust him now, and he says, you know, i'd

1131
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 2: like to keep something. You can't keep him like that

1132
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,399
Speaker 2: doesn't seem right. If he feels like this guy can

1133
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 2: help him, yeah, give him money, thinks that can help.

1134
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 4: But I think just by asking the question, you're already

1135
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 4: cutting off at the pass what I'm kind of getting at.

1136
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 4: You're giving this guy the choice to keep people. And

1137
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 4: if he really wants to keep Steve Belichick, all right,

1138
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 4: but I just don't want to see especially like like

1139
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 4: the stream would be, let's put Bill up. Bill's gonna

1140
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 4: go upstairs and he's gonna be in a football advisor role,

1141
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 4: and then we're gonna put Girod in the head coaching seat,

1142
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 4: and you know, Steve's gonna be the defensive I don't

1143
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,399
Speaker 4: think anybody wants to sign up for let's just kind

1144
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:27,240
Speaker 4: of shuffle the chairs.

1145
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 2: Bill didn't want that in the Jets. I mean, that's

1146
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 2: what they're gonna do with Parcels. He was gonna be

1147
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 2: kind of advisor. When Bill says, I'm not working in

1148
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 2: his shadow, yeah, yeah, I'm not doing that.

1149
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 11: I don't mind, like Mayo if you want to, because

1150
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 11: the defense still plays hard, they still play on a string.

1151
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 11: I still think they're innovative to an extent on defense.

1152
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 11: So like if girod Mayo, Mike Pellegrino, DeMarcus Covington, Like

1153
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,399
Speaker 11: if those guys stick around and and Drod's the DC,

1154
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 11: and then you have an offensive minded head coach, like

1155
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 11: that's that's all well and good the offensive coaching staff.

1156
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,919
Speaker 11: You know, some of those guys quite frankly, I would

1157
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 11: think about moving on from right now. You know, I

1158
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 11: don't know what Adrian Clem is really doing with that group.

1159
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 6: You know.

1160
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 11: It's one thing to just like put it all on

1161
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 11: injuries and say, oh, well, you know, he hasn't had

1162
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 11: like the best talent, and he's had all these guys

1163
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 11: injury guys aren't getting better like that he's had.

1164
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 2: But my only point is we don't know who the

1165
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 2: next Dante's Garnecia could be on this staff. I mean,

1166
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 2: Dante Scarneci has survived many many regimes because I each

1167
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 2: once saw the value in him.

1168
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: I get that's fair, get point. I would rather have

1169
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: it not be a tie to Belichick. That's all I'm saying.

1170
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: I just wish, like for their sake, not like again,

1171
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: not a shot at Bill. I know, Bill's greatness I

1172
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 1: think goes you know, I don't think we have to

1173
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: spell it his resume.

1174
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 4: But and I think too well, we've all seen that

1175
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 4: when head coaches come from here and try to take

1176
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 4: that and be that somewhere else, that it just it

1177
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 4: doesn't work. Like let him, he did it, it was him. Now,

1178
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 4: let's have a new kind of regime here. And you know,

1179
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 4: if there's some leftovers, that's fine. But I just think

1180
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 4: I think i'd be curious if there are people out

1181
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 4: there that, you know, are like what, we have to

1182
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 4: maintain some kind of you know, connection to that.

1183
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 2: I don't know, you don't need that, you don't have

1184
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,439
Speaker 2: to have it. I'm just saying, yeah, let's let's let's

1185
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 2: let the guy know.

1186
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 4: And you don't want, Yeah, you don't want to throw

1187
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 4: the baby out with the bathwater. To your point, if

1188
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 4: you know, DeMarcus Covington is you know, one of the

1189
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 4: hottest up and coming coaches in the league, and everybody's

1190
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 4: aware of that, and you know, I don't think anyone

1191
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 4: would say that, you know that the defensive line has

1192
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 4: been a disaster, So I yeah, I get what you're saying.

1193
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 11: I just wish that when they had hired O'Brien. You know,

1194
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 11: they they hired a new offensive line coach because they

1195
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 11: fired the last like Patricia was one and the same,

1196
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 11: so they had an opening there and then they let

1197
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 11: him bring the tight ends coach will will lie. But

1198
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 11: other than that, you know, the offensive staff is the

1199
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 11: same as it was last year, And like what would

1200
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 11: have happened with these receivers As much as you can

1201
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 11: talk about the talent, if like Keenan McCardell was in

1202
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 11: that spot instead of Troy Brown or Sean Jefferson was

1203
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 11: in that spot, you know what, like would would that

1204
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 11: group be better? Like would that group be different? Like

1205
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 11: I think it's more about like being different than it

1206
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,760
Speaker 11: is necessarily even being better. It's just a different coach,

1207
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 11: a different voice, a different perspective, Like that's that room

1208
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 11: has been bad now under Troy Brown for multiple seasons,

1209
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 11: and like, we just keep on spinning the wheels with it.

1210
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 11: And I just wish that they had hired from out

1211
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,399
Speaker 11: of house to replace wide receiver cover.

1212
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: You remember Evan brings those two names up specifically because

1213
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: they interviewed. Yeah, you know, way back when the whole

1214
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 1: press press release about changes will be made, and Bill

1215
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: O'Brien had yet to sort of officially shake free and

1216
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: all that. I think they talked to both of those guys, right, yep.

1217
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 2: All right, let's turn it to the listeners. Eight five

1218
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 2: to five pass five hundred is the a sticket Hut line.

1219
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 2: We'll start with Todd, North Carolina. What's up, Todd?

1220
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 12: You know, I listened on ESPN and the guy was Green.

1221
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 12: He said that, you know, if anybody has the cachet

1222
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 12: to let Bill go in the middle of the year,

1223
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:56,879
Speaker 12: it's Robert Kraft. He said, I've met him a lot

1224
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 12: of times, you talked to him.

1225
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 13: He's just got the gravitas.

1226
00:54:59,160 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 14: He could do it.

1227
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 13: So you guys are talking about that earlier.

1228
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 12: So I think if that anybody could release still in

1229
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 12: the middle of season, mister Kraft, he could, but.

1230
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 4: He will not.

1231
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 1: Or Jerry Jones or like fifteen other owners.

1232
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he will not do that, and I don't think

1233
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:13,800
Speaker 2: he should.

1234
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:15,760
Speaker 12: One point right now is do we want to fix

1235
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 12: this season and then perpetuate this cycle that we're in

1236
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 12: where we get a Midland draft pick up there so

1237
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 12: we got lucky with this one.

1238
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you're being optimistic about getting a Midland

1239
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 1: draft pick, but we want to do that. Yeah, it's

1240
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: a good question, Todd. Todd's point is a good one,

1241
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: And this is where I think Evan was sort of

1242
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: touching on when he doesn't deserve to be fired based

1243
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: on his resume in the middle of the season. But

1244
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: I could understand if you make that determination because you're

1245
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: worried that A, he's going to do things that aren't

1246
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: necessarily in the best long term for the team, and

1247
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 1: B he's such a good coach that he is going

1248
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 1: to figure some of these things out and you're gonna

1249
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: win a couple of games that you maybe don't want to,

1250
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, doubt I know. The more

1251
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: important part for me is the first part, Like I

1252
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: don't want him trading a second round pick to you

1253
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: a point, Mike for Van Jefferson, because well, that might

1254
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: help me win more games and I can get closer

1255
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: to the record. That's not like and I understand like

1256
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,280
Speaker 1: how is winning games and not in the best interestview team.

1257
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: That's an example like giving away assets potentially for a

1258
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: short term game that's not really gonna be a vad And.

1259
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 11: If the like organizations like standpoint is that we're gonna

1260
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 11: basically quiet tank because they're not gonna ever, but they're

1261
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 11: gonna quiet tank, that tells me that Bill is in

1262
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 11: on the quiet tank. And so when they get that

1263
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 11: top five draft pick next year and they draft Drake May,

1264
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 11: who's coaching Drake May Bill Belichick.

1265
00:56:55,560 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 3: Is and I don't I gotta be on with you.

1266
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 11: I have not seen any signs based off of how

1267
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 11: he's handled Mac Jones and how he's handled building the

1268
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,399
Speaker 11: offense up around Mac Jones that wants me to give

1269
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 11: Bill another try at another first round quarterback.

1270
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, but you have to find something you know,

1271
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 2: you know, as Bill famously said about Tom Brady based

1272
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 2: on his age in his contract, you want whoever you

1273
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 2: if you're bringing in a top flight quarterback, you want

1274
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 2: him to be the future of your team, but also

1275
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 2: you want him to work with a head coach, who's

1276
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 2: the future of your team? And if Bill's going to

1277
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 2: be here for two or three more years, what are

1278
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 2: we doing.

1279
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: That's an easy spin, you know, for Robert Kraft and

1280
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: Jonathan Craft to say we needed to to start over,

1281
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: we needed a new quarterback, and we wanted to make

1282
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: it as easy for that new quarterback to know he's

1283
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: going to have the same head coach.

1284
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 11: That's why it also has to be, in my opinion,

1285
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 11: it needs to be an offensive guy. Yeah, because then

1286
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 11: otherwise you're going to run the situation with McDaniels where

1287
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 11: the court is gonna leave after one year and leave

1288
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 11: you high and.

1289
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 4: Showed it yesterday they were talking the same thing.

1290
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 11: And it's just I don't want Bill developing the next quarterback.

1291
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 11: I don't want him building the roster in around the

1292
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 11: next quarterback.

1293
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: He's more angry about it that I don't think he's

1294
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: wrong to be able to slap him in the face.

1295
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:17,479
Speaker 2: I am.

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Speaker 11: I am way like it's inside. It is a lot

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Speaker 11: more than even when I'm letting on right now.

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Speaker 3: I am just.

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00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 4: Your happy play seven.

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00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 1: This is supposed to be my happy place. You're bad,

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00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: Like you know, we talked. Someone asked me after the

1302
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: Dallas game. You know, is this rock bottom? And I said, no,

1303
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: Like I I've been a Patriots fan my whole life.

1304
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: I've seen rock bottom.

1305
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 2: I mean, this two game stretch might have been the

1306
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 2: worst two game stretch, but the team, it can't get worse.

1307
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 2: And I mean like ugly stories getting out to the press.

1308
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: No, but I'm just talking about in general, Like you

1309
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: can lose every week. I've seen it. I went through

1310
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 1: a one in fifteen season.

1311
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 4: Sure, that's that's where I went fred when I saw

1312
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 4: the Henry report. You know, all the substance of it aside.

1313
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 4: But but this is what happens when teams get bad

1314
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 4: and the start and that's part.

1315
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 2: Of the come to Jesus meeting. Assuming it happens. You

1316
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 2: got to nip that stuff in the butt, you know, Like,

1317
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 2: but we need to be loyal to each other. We

1318
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 2: need to be we need to be able to trust

1319
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 2: each other, you know.

1320
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: In terms of the rock bottom stuff, though, there there

1321
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: are some things out there. So we have a meeting

1322
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 1: every Tuesday. And Evan joked around to like, so what

1323
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: do we you know Caleb Williams, Do you guys know

1324
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: what Caleb Williams is talking about like as a possibility

1325
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: of him not going in the draft because he's gonna

1326
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: he's gonna make more money, is an I l money

1327
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: than he will as a room in LA. So he

1328
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: has to select few teams that he'd be willing to

1329
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 1: be drafted by, and the Patriots ain't one of them.

1330
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: You want to talk about rock bottom, Get the number

1331
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: one overall pick and have the guy not to clear

1332
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 1: for the.

1333
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 2: Draft or demand to trade.

1334
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:58,479
Speaker 1: Now, I would I would just say wait, I would

1335
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: just say, you know, I'll believe it when I see

1336
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: it with Caleb Williams. But that's the story that's out

1337
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 1: there right now is he has a small handful of

1338
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 1: teams that he'd agree to enter the draft if they

1339
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: were in that position, and the Patriots aren't on it.

1340
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: So you think it's rock bottom when you lose back

1341
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: to back games, try to get them any number one pick,

1342
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 1: being in position to get this guy who you think

1343
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 1: can help you finally get over Tom Brady and he

1344
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: doesn't want to play for you.

1345
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you know that the Patriots drafted fran Tarkenton. Yeah, yeah,

1346
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 2: and he went to the NFL instead of the AFO. Yeah,

1347
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 2: one of those guys.

1348
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I was.

1349
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 4: I was doing the Mailbay today and just you know,

1350
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 4: putting it on paper for You've had the worst playoff

1351
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 4: loss in team history, You've had the worst loss of

1352
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 4: Belichick's tenure, and then you had the worst home shutout

1353
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 4: loss of team history. Like it isn't rock bottom yet,

1354
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 4: but it's like how many more negative superlatives can we

1355
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 4: continue to stack this season?

1356
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's what I was saying about the Raiders. I'm like,

1357
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 9: this team hasn't scored over twenty points, but like what

1358
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 9: if they do on Sunday?

1359
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 4: And like, I mean, it's just it's just the volume

1360
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 4: that's really starting to catch up with it all. It's

1361
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 4: how that game ended, It's letting Jacobe Myers go, it's

1362
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 4: drafting Cole Strange. It's just there's been how many moves

1363
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 4: have been made outside of drafting Christian Gonzalez who kind

1364
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 4: of fell into your lap have worked out? Like what

1365
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 4: moves have worked out? Like nothing they really did last

1366
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 4: offseason is paid off unless Riley Reef steps in and

1367
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 4: suddenly becomes, you know, the second coming of Logan Man.

1368
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 11: Do you want to find like a small sliver of

1369
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 11: bright spot? Like he was pretty solid in that game

1370
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 11: all things Yeah, right, Riley Reef, I thought was probably

1371
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 11: their best offensive lineman in the game, besides maybe David Andrews.

1372
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 1: But see it's all coming together.

1373
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 2: Let's go to Donnie and Pittsburgh. Hey Donnie, hey.

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Speaker 13: All, thanks for taking the cume again. I think when

1375
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 13: we talked last week, like a lot of the fan

1376
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 13: base that was in a pretty negative place ended up

1377
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 13: talking over Evan and Paul that saw. Apologies for that.

1378
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 13: But somehow this week, maybe with this news of Taekwon Thornton,

1379
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 13: I am feeling more positive and with these changes on

1380
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 13: the offense, and I really agree with what Evan's saying

1381
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 13: when he talks about Andrew's you know, interview and the

1382
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 13: body language of Henry. They need to do something over there,

1383
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 13: hopefully it involves the kids. And I just wanted to

1384
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 13: back up what Paul said in the post game. Your

1385
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 13: comment was something along the lines of it's hard to

1386
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 13: play defense this way, you know, and we're grading these

1387
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 13: guys under a microscope when the starting cornerbacks are out.

1388
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 13: But continuing my trend as the offensive drive guy, the

1389
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 13: Saints had twelve offensive drives that weren't kneel downs, and

1390
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 13: we forced punts on seven of them. One of those

1391
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 13: punts started at our own forty yard line. Every scoring

1392
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 13: drive started at the New Orleans thirty eight or better,

1393
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 13: or came off a turnover.

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Speaker 1: You know, so even the field's that's that's a very

1395
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 1: optimistic to look at that. Yeah, there was nothing good

1396
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 1: about that game than they's had over two hundred yards

1397
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:50,959
Speaker 1: in the first half. Like that's an offense that doesn't

1398
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 1: move the ball, moved it that will in the first half.

1399
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 2: Do another call? Paul's foods here and then we'll take

1400
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 2: a break. To me, such a bad Graham's in New Jersey.

1401
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,120
Speaker 2: What's up? Graham?

1402
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 4: Not this again?

1403
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 1: And we only have sixty yard drives because we can hear.

1404
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 2: You, Graham, even though Paul continuing to talk.

1405
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 1: About John alumni but Toby Myers stuff.

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Speaker 15: Really, I just don't see why you want.

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01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get tough connection. Maybe call back after the break.

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01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 2: It seems like every third call we have is a

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01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 2: bad I think it's us.

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01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 1: I think.

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01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 2: It's line three, and can we skip line three and

1412
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:38,959
Speaker 2: send them to line four? No, we don't, we can't

1413
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 2: do that.

1414
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 1: And they call me in as they come in.

1415
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 2: Oh, so we only have three lines that's.

1416
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 1: Why people always get busy singles when they call us.

1417
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, all right, anyway, we'll take a break, Graham.

1418
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 2: Maybe you want to call back after the break. Well,

1419
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 2: if we called back now, it'll have to be on

1420
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 2: line three because the other two wants to take it,

1421
01:03:57,800 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 2: So Graham's in a tough spot. We'll be right back

1422
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Speaker 2: after this.

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Speaker 8: What's up, everybody, Mattie here? Instead of rubbing it in

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Speaker 8: your faces with the highlight montage, trust me, it was

1441
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Speaker 8: Patriots Monday on Wei.

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Speaker 17: We've talked to you now the last few weeks. The

1444
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 17: record has not gone in the direction you guys want.

1445
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 1: You're one and four.

1446
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 17: The points have gone in the wrong direction, from twenty

1447
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 17: to seventeen to fifteen to three to now zero yesterday.

1448
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 17: You've told us before it's going to get better.

1449
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 4: It has not.

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01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 17: You said you're going to watch tape, and I'm sure

1451
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 17: you guys are, but that hasn't seemed to help either.

1452
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 17: Why should we and fans believe that things are going

1453
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 17: to get better?

1454
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the biggest thing is, you know, just

1455
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 6: try and figure out the root cause to each of

1456
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 6: the issues. And that's playing better as the team, playing

1457
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 6: better for me as a quarterback. And we just didn't

1458
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 6: have the answers to the test yesterday. And you just

1459
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 6: got to move forward in this league, that's what it is.

1460
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 6: You can't look back. You got to move forward. And

1461
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 6: I'm not happy with anything nobody is, and it starts

1462
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:46,480
Speaker 6: with me as the quarterback.

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Speaker 18: So Mack, you you say there that you didn't have

1464
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 18: the answers to the test, and I believe in your

1465
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 18: appearance with the media after yesterday's game at the podium,

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01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 18: at one point you said something about not being ready

1467
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 18: to go, feeling like you're not ready. Is that an

1468
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:08,959
Speaker 18: answer about the game plan going into these games?

1469
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 6: I think for us, like I always say, every game

1470
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 6: is different, and as a quarterback of the offense, I

1471
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 6: want to go out there and score on the opening

1472
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 6: drive and it's frustrating when that doesn't happen. And like

1473
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 6: I said, you just want to find the root cause

1474
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 6: to why it's not happening, and then from there you

1475
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 6: have to problem solve I'm and figure out, hey, what

1476
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 6: can we do better? What can I do better? Obviously

1477
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 6: it's been a trend for a few years around here

1478
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 6: and just has to be an improvement and that'll really

1479
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 6: help us get off the better start in the games.

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01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 7: Mac yesterday and then again today, Bill said that it's

1481
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 7: time to start over, that the plan was to sort

1482
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 7: of start over. Do you think it's time to start

1483
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 7: over for you personally? Do you think that starting over

1484
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 7: this season is something that's even feasible after five weeks

1485
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 7: and everything in the preseason, all that leading up. What

1486
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 7: does that sort of mean to you and how do

1487
01:06:58,400 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 7: you plan to do that?

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01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I think the biggest thing is being

1489
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 6: all in together. And obviously it's not looking great right now,

1490
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 6: and we got to really look in the mirror and

1491
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 6: figure out how we can respond to adversity. And I

1492
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 6: think we have the potential and talent to do that,

1493
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 6: and obviously we have to go out there and do it.

1494
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 6: So it's hard when everything's they're not going great, But

1495
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 6: at the end of the day, we have a lot

1496
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 6: of football have to play, and I know there's a

1497
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 6: lot of fight in the team and in my teammates.

1498
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 7: Have you ever been on a team before that sort

1499
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 7: of had like a reset like this early on in

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Speaker 7: the season.

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01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 6: I mean, that's a great question. I think everyone you

1502
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 6: know has played sports for a long time and they'd

1503
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 6: be lying if they said every year was perfect, right.

1504
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 6: So I think that's the important part is understanding that

1505
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:48,480
Speaker 6: Sporce brings a lot of adversity and as a team

1506
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 6: you have to be all in together and challenge and

1507
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 6: face the challenge excuse me, And that's going to be

1508
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 6: a very big part for us. It has been the

1509
01:07:57,120 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 6: last couple of weeks and we you know, have to

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Speaker 6: do better and I have to do better, and it's

1511
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 6: going to start with practice.

1512
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 18: Along those lines going back to high school, before high

1513
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 18: school youth sports. Is this the most challenging stretch for

1514
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 18: you as a quarterback that you can remember?

1515
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:19,639
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think for everybody, Like I said, sports has

1516
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 6: a lot of adversity, there are a lot of emotion

1517
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 6: around everything. And for me, it's about what's my situation

1518
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 6: right now and how can I get better and how

1519
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 6: can I help the team win? And that's just by

1520
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 6: being me and going to work every day, working hard

1521
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 6: and bringing guys with me. And I can do a

1522
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,719
Speaker 6: much better job of that in terms of just being

1523
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 6: me and bringing guys along. So you have to fight.

1524
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 6: There's no time to feel sorry, and we do have

1525
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 6: to reset and come up with a game plan and

1526
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 6: attack it.

1527
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:50,600
Speaker 17: We're talking to Patriots quarterback Mac Jones here on a

1528
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:53,800
Speaker 17: Patriots Monday on w E I. I asked you this

1529
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:56,639
Speaker 17: last week, Mac, after you were benched against Dallas, benched

1530
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 17: again yesterday, have you been told you're the starter?

1531
01:08:59,280 --> 01:08:59,719
Speaker 1: This week.

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01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 6: Well, we were off today, so obviously I'm going to

1533
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 6: focus on, you know, watching all the tape I can,

1534
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 6: and I'm really just looking forward to trying to come

1535
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 6: up with a game plan of what I can do better.

1536
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 6: And that's what I do every week, and I have

1537
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 6: done that every week since I've been in the NFL.

1538
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:19,599
Speaker 6: So I know that there's a we haven't done great

1539
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:22,599
Speaker 6: on offense, and there's a lot of uncertainty surroundings everything.

1540
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 6: But at the end of the day, I got to

1541
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:26,639
Speaker 6: go out there and focus on what I can control.

1542
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 17: Do you think you deserve to be the starter? Since

1543
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 17: you haven't heard yet, do you think you deserve to

1544
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 17: be the starter?

1545
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 6: I think the biggest thing, like I said, it's focusing

1546
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:38,879
Speaker 6: on how do I get better? Right? What are the

1547
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 6: issues here? What have I done in the games that

1548
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 6: hasn't put in in a great spot? And how can

1549
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 6: I do better? And that's what you focus on, right.

1550
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:48,679
Speaker 6: You have to get back to one play at a time,

1551
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 6: focusing on what's your job? You know, how can you

1552
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 6: do it really well to help the team. And I

1553
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 6: think that's for everybody. And of course I'm going to

1554
01:09:57,360 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 6: try and be the same guy and be me and

1555
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:02,640
Speaker 6: bring guys along with me. So that's very important and

1556
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 6: I know that I can do it, and I just

1557
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 6: have to go out there and bring the guys with me.

1558
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 17: There was a report last week from the NFL Network

1559
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:12,320
Speaker 17: pregame actually about last week that Bailey z Appy got

1560
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 17: increased reps during the week. Were your reps affected in

1561
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:17,800
Speaker 17: practice in any way last week?

1562
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 6: Every week's different. I think the biggest thing for me

1563
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:25,640
Speaker 6: is take advantage of what you can and what you have.

1564
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 6: And at the end of the day, I've gotten a

1565
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 6: lot of practice reps with a lot of these guys

1566
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 6: and feel really comfortable with different guys, and we just

1567
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 6: had to continue to work, whether it's the walkthroughs, practice,

1568
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 6: extra meetings, all that stuff. So we've been doing that.

1569
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 6: Just like I said, we didn't have the answers for

1570
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 6: the test here, and we just got to find ways

1571
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 6: to put a better product out there.

1572
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 18: Mac, looking at some of the stats from yesterday, your

1573
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:55,559
Speaker 18: time to throw right now about two point six seconds

1574
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 18: on average from yesterday. How are you feeling about your

1575
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 18: ability to process and get the ball to who you

1576
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 18: need to be hind the offensive line right now?

1577
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:11,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like I said, we're just trying to figure out, hey,

1578
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 6: what's the root cause some of this stuff and how

1579
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:17,680
Speaker 6: can we put more points up? And really it it

1580
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 6: starts with running the ball, and we can do it.

1581
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 6: And we have a good offensive line. They're fighting up there,

1582
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 6: doing a good job. It's just we got to establish

1583
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 6: the run and all that stuff. But yeah, it's got

1584
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 6: to improve. From my standpoint, how can I get the

1585
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 6: ball to the open guy. That's what I'm going to

1586
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 6: focus on, and we got to look at it on

1587
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 6: tape and figure out wys that we can do better.

1588
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:39,720
Speaker 2: Mac.

1589
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 7: There was a report yesterday from Henry McKenna at Fox Sports,

1590
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:44,640
Speaker 7: and it was not a quote from you, but it's

1591
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 7: got a source close to you. I had a quote about,

1592
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 7: no matter how good of a cook you are, you

1593
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:52,640
Speaker 7: cannot make garbage taste good. Again, this wasn't something that

1594
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 7: was attributed to you, but I wanted to give you

1595
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 7: a chance to sort of respond to that since people

1596
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 7: are going to sort of talk about it a lot

1597
01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:00,600
Speaker 7: here and it's been something that your name is attached to.

1598
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, I didn't see that. I'll do social media, but yeah,

1599
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 6: I try to stay off and eliminate the noise, and

1600
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:13,200
Speaker 6: I disagree with that. I think we have a really

1601
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 6: talented group of guys that I've been fortunate to work

1602
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 6: with this whole lost season and through the season. Some

1603
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 6: guys for three or four years, and I've been been

1604
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 6: a part of a great organization. So I definitely disagree

1605
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 6: with that, and I didn't hear that or see that.

1606
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:30,680
Speaker 6: Like I said, I'd never try to focus on the

1607
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 6: outside noise.

1608
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 17: I know you're frustrated and the team's frustrated. What about

1609
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 17: people in your personal life? You know, family friends, like

1610
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:42,639
Speaker 17: are they are they frustrated with the situation.

1611
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:44,760
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1612
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:47,679
Speaker 6: I've never come on here in the media and talked

1613
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:50,880
Speaker 6: about my personal life. So I think the biggest thing

1614
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:54,600
Speaker 6: is everyone's in this together, like I said, and we

1615
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 6: have the right people to do it. It's it's football, right,

1616
01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 6: That's that's what you want to do. You want to

1617
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,640
Speaker 6: bring your team together, and that's what I'm going to

1618
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 6: focus on in terms of my football life.

1619
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 18: I believe it was Hunter Henry yesterday who after the game,

1620
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 18: Max said that mood in the locker room just it

1621
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:12,800
Speaker 18: wasn't great. Understandably, two back to back tough losses. You

1622
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 18: talk about turning the page and putting this behind you,

1623
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 18: is that becoming more challenging now? And who do you

1624
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 18: guys look to in the locker room to try to

1625
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 18: figure out where to start on just burying these two weeks.

1626
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 6: I think just learning from it, and it's always a

1627
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:35,120
Speaker 6: learning experience whether you win or lose. And at the

1628
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:36,880
Speaker 6: end of the day, you got to move forward. Like

1629
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 6: I always say, every week, some new week, and you

1630
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:42,639
Speaker 6: know tomorrow we'll get more information on how we're going

1631
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 6: to do it. And I believe it comes from everybody

1632
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 6: that coaches players, and we all can do a better job,

1633
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 6: and it starts with the leaders of the team and

1634
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 6: you know, the captains and everybody. So we definitely have

1635
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:56,680
Speaker 6: a big challenge on our hands, and I'm going to

1636
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:58,599
Speaker 6: take the positive route, like I said, the past couple

1637
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:01,839
Speaker 6: of weeks and trying ways to win football games.

1638
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 7: I wanted to ask you Mac about Bill O'Brien. I

1639
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 7: saw you guys talking on the bench a couple of

1640
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 7: times during the game yesterday. What we're sort of those

1641
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:09,920
Speaker 7: conversations Like, I know you're not going to tell us

1642
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:11,640
Speaker 7: exactly what you said, Well, what was kind of the

1643
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 7: tenor of those conversations and do you feel like there's

1644
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 7: still a good relationship there.

1645
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:22,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, Obi has done a great job this year, just

1646
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 6: trying to talk through some things on the sideline, and

1647
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 6: like I said, we just it was a rough day

1648
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:28,760
Speaker 6: on the farm and didn't really have a lot of

1649
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 6: answers for the test and that's something that we're trying

1650
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:33,400
Speaker 6: to improve and how can I do that better as

1651
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 6: a quarterback. So we're definitely communicating and everybody's trying to

1652
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:39,080
Speaker 6: work hard to work together.

1653
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:41,599
Speaker 17: Did you agree with the decision to punt on fourth

1654
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:43,400
Speaker 17: and three down twenty four to nothing early in the

1655
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:43,920
Speaker 17: third quarter.

1656
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:50,160
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't really comment on things things like that,

1657
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:52,639
Speaker 6: I think, I mean, we shouldn't be in that position,

1658
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:54,800
Speaker 6: so it's hard to say, right, you want to be

1659
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 6: in a competitive game, so yeah, I won't. I don't

1660
01:14:58,320 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 6: comment on those things.

1661
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 17: Do you like Do you like going for I mean,

1662
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:02,760
Speaker 17: I'm sure you'd want the ball in your hands on

1663
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:05,160
Speaker 17: fourth down and the ability to go for it though, Right,

1664
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:06,599
Speaker 17: I've heard a lot of quarterbacks say that.

1665
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:11,280
Speaker 6: I think the big thing for any quarterback and the

1666
01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 6: included is we're all very competitive, right, But there's so

1667
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 6: much that goes into the game management and things like that,

1668
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:20,679
Speaker 6: and and that's really the head coaching job.

1669
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 19: When someone accidentally threw away the school play costumes, no

1670
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:35,879
Speaker 19: replacements were shipped with FedEx and with picture proof of delivery,

1671
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 19: everyone could focus on the perfect opening night FedEx where

1672
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:42,600
Speaker 19: now it's next for residential delivery.

1673
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:46,559
Speaker 3: Only and now great moments in.

1674
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:49,640
Speaker 1: History they had.

1675
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 4: She had one where she was talking smack about Drew

1676
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:52,679
Speaker 4: blood cell So thats.

1677
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:54,120
Speaker 1: Whoa, oh now it's on.

1678
01:15:57,960 --> 01:15:59,719
Speaker 3: Now it's it's definitely a thing.

1679
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 1: No, but all I saw, I mean I saw like

1680
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:07,040
Speaker 1: Meghan had like one hundred screams, but they had just won. Like,

1681
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 1: what is she supposed to do? Not go to the

1682
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 1: library face face?

1683
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:14,599
Speaker 2: Just shuting Freud.

1684
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:16,519
Speaker 1: I just wanted to I'm sorry, what was that work?

1685
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 2: Shading as I said, shoden Freud.

1686
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:24,200
Speaker 1: He went over to he said in two different ways.

1687
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 4: Neither one of them was correct, shotting fucking all right,

1688
01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:28,920
Speaker 4: all right.

1689
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:31,839
Speaker 5: That's another great moment from.

1690
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:36,639
Speaker 2: All right back here on Patriots Unfiltered eight five five

1691
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Speaker 2: Wait here comes Matt Morele. We have new copy just

1699
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Speaker 2: in just then we'll get that in post. Yeah, bridge

1700
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1703
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Speaker 2: want to let people know. I see the emails. I

1704
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:26,639
Speaker 2: know a lot of them are saying the same thing.

1705
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 2: They want to change. So I'm not going to read

1706
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 2: them all because they're all the same. But I'm you know,

1707
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 2: but what change? They want to kill? Bill mac or Bill.

1708
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:39,880
Speaker 2: But I'm not going to get into everyone because they're

1709
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 2: all the same. And but I hear you, it's not

1710
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 2: like I'm ignoring you. Yeah. So I just want to

1711
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:49,479
Speaker 2: get that out there because there's a ton of them,

1712
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:54,120
Speaker 2: I mean a ton, so trying to find ones that

1713
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:55,599
Speaker 2: are a little bit different, you.

1714
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:57,120
Speaker 4: Know, write something a little different.

1715
01:17:57,200 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody, But let's get to the phones.

1716
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:06,799
Speaker 2: We'll get to Tim in Boston. What's up, Tim, Tim?

1717
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:07,719
Speaker 2: In Boston.

1718
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:10,679
Speaker 4: Yea hate Tim all right, Yeah.

1719
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 14: So I just feel like I got tricked into feeling

1720
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:15,880
Speaker 14: optimistic this offseason, and you know, now I get this

1721
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:18,680
Speaker 14: feeling of how could we be so stupid? Like of

1722
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:20,200
Speaker 14: course the online was going to be a disaster with

1723
01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 14: the group, like the receivers won't be enough, MAC can't

1724
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:25,640
Speaker 14: elevate them. Like, do you guys feel that, like in retrospect,

1725
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 14: was there ever anything to actually be optimistic about or

1726
01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:29,719
Speaker 14: it should be a Stement's company.

1727
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:32,280
Speaker 4: Well, I think in our defense last year was such

1728
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:37,760
Speaker 4: a terrible offensive, you know, offense period, like how it

1729
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:39,080
Speaker 4: was put together. I think we were all kind of

1730
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:41,040
Speaker 4: blinded by just how inept it was, and we didn't

1731
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 4: you know, and maybe that blinded us a little bit

1732
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:45,600
Speaker 4: to other issues that were also on the team. But

1733
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:47,439
Speaker 4: I think we were all kind of aware of what

1734
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 4: was happening. I think we just all kind of assumed

1735
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:51,760
Speaker 4: that Bill O'Brien, we'll wave his wanted to make it better.

1736
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:54,439
Speaker 2: Listen, they were what eight to nine last year, right, Yeah,

1737
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:59,639
Speaker 2: and the offense wasn't good, but we thought pretty much

1738
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:02,439
Speaker 2: the same cast the characters built. You know, Bill O'Brien

1739
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:04,240
Speaker 2: comes in, Yes, the schedule is going to be a

1740
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:08,200
Speaker 2: little tougher, but we'd see an improvement in the offense.

1741
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 1: I don't think.

1742
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:11,840
Speaker 2: I didn't think going in this season that the record

1743
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 2: would be that much better, you know. I thought, you know,

1744
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 2: maybe you could muster ten wins, But that was highly optimistic.

1745
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 2: I thought we'd be you know, nine and eight eight

1746
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:23,600
Speaker 2: nine again, but we'd see a better offense, something to

1747
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:26,880
Speaker 2: build on going forward. And we're not even seeing that.

1748
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 2: That's the problem, you know. So I was optimistic to

1749
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 2: that degree, and I'm losing that optimism.

1750
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:37,120
Speaker 11: I think the offensive line in particular, as much as

1751
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:40,000
Speaker 11: I have gotten on them about the Cold Strange pick,

1752
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:42,800
Speaker 11: you're just thinking a vacuum Cold Strangers in year two

1753
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:45,080
Speaker 11: is going to be a better player Mike and went

1754
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 11: who were just getting hurt and then really being ineffective.

1755
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:51,760
Speaker 11: That's something that you didn't anticipate coming in. So for me,

1756
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 11: the offensive line play in general, and just how bad

1757
01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:57,760
Speaker 11: it really has been. I figured they'd have to work

1758
01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 11: around a bad right tackle. We knew that coming into

1759
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:02,840
Speaker 11: the year. But I thought the other four spots would

1760
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:05,920
Speaker 11: be steady, would be solid. They have multiple spots that

1761
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:08,680
Speaker 11: are are falling apart. On the offensive line, and so

1762
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 11: I think that that's like where, you know, other than

1763
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:14,559
Speaker 11: the Juju Jacobi thing, like that's like the biggest I

1764
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:15,680
Speaker 11: guess misstep.

1765
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:16,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1766
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 1: Yeah. My fear was that just by changing coordinators, I

1767
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:22,400
Speaker 1: thought it would it would be better too. I mean,

1768
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:25,160
Speaker 1: but that was really the only improvement they made. They

1769
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:27,680
Speaker 1: didn't really improve the personnel. And I worried about it

1770
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:31,040
Speaker 1: because in general, Mike Paul worries about everything.

1771
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 2: Paul and I like.

1772
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 9: How you you brought up a few times where you said,

1773
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:36,439
Speaker 9: you know, if you look at last year stats and

1774
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:38,599
Speaker 9: this year's stats, people are going to be upset because

1775
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:39,679
Speaker 9: they're not much different.

1776
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 1: They're worse.

1777
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:43,960
Speaker 2: They're getting worse games.

1778
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:46,720
Speaker 4: But bottom, yeah, bottom.

1779
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:54,360
Speaker 2: Thanks Thanks Tim. Let's go to Andre in Atlanta. What's up? Andre? Good?

1780
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:57,800
Speaker 2: And uh, kind of you're a little muffled. Maybe you

1781
01:20:57,800 --> 01:20:59,679
Speaker 2: want to change your angle?

1782
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:05,360
Speaker 20: Yeah, listen. So I was listening to the podcast off

1783
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:09,439
Speaker 20: the Picts on Friday, and it was me and my

1784
01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:15,439
Speaker 20: wife and she's a saint and so you know, we're

1785
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:17,680
Speaker 20: listening to it and everything and picked.

1786
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:17,800
Speaker 6: And all that.

1787
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:22,120
Speaker 20: Now, I was very optimistic. Now after the game we

1788
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:24,880
Speaker 20: brought the back home, I was pick and everything. Of

1789
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:28,760
Speaker 20: course she was happy and I said something to Way

1790
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 20: and then she was all like, my ask taste and

1791
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:37,559
Speaker 20: you know from from Fred, from how.

1792
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 9: You said, what was going on?

1793
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:44,639
Speaker 4: His wife said, how does my ask?

1794
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:49,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm definitely on Andres and no that is I.

1795
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:49,839
Speaker 2: Don't know what happened.

1796
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 4: Then his wife the phone to that story.

1797
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:55,160
Speaker 11: I don't think that that was going in any in

1798
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 11: any more directions.

1799
01:21:56,280 --> 01:22:00,040
Speaker 2: We need to go Christians in l a I And

1800
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:02,559
Speaker 2: he says, the line still sounds bad. What's up, Christian?

1801
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 10: Yeah, hey, guys, the line, Yeah, the line sounds really bad.

1802
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:08,040
Speaker 10: I don't know if it's from my our side, on your.

1803
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 2: Side, probably our side. Everything's bad right now. Yeah, but

1804
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:15,040
Speaker 2: go ahead make your point. Let's just do it.

1805
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:18,679
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, really quickly. From the fans perspective, I wanted

1806
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:21,479
Speaker 10: to say that I've been at the end of the team,

1807
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:24,800
Speaker 10: a diehard banded team since nineteen seventy nine. It means

1808
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:26,080
Speaker 10: I've been through the bad times.

1809
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:28,320
Speaker 2: I've also been going to make your point to the

1810
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:28,840
Speaker 2: good time.

1811
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:32,240
Speaker 10: You know a lot of us who are just fanned.

1812
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:35,240
Speaker 10: We give our blood, sweats here and money to the

1813
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:38,519
Speaker 10: team and to the whole program. And when the product

1814
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:41,439
Speaker 10: gets to a point where tanking would be an upgrade

1815
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:45,880
Speaker 10: for us. I believe mister Crap has a responsibility to

1816
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:47,919
Speaker 10: the people that are just you know, we're not millionaires.

1817
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:49,880
Speaker 10: We're just guys getting by, just trying to make it

1818
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:52,840
Speaker 10: through the week and the hope that having a good

1819
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:56,120
Speaker 10: team gives you. I know, you can make fun of it,

1820
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:59,240
Speaker 10: but it's incalculable. Normal guys, When you get to a

1821
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:02,400
Speaker 10: point for tank it would be an upgrade. It feels

1822
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:04,160
Speaker 10: like we have to make a move.

1823
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:08,719
Speaker 2: Yep, okay, thank you. The line was just really bad. Yeah,

1824
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:12,920
Speaker 2: but yes, when you get to the point where you

1825
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:15,920
Speaker 2: think you have to tank, you're you're in the cellar.

1826
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:20,599
Speaker 2: That's when teams make moves, you know, I get it.

1827
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 4: I mean it was, yeah, it was when they were

1828
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:25,800
Speaker 4: bad in the nineties. Though it was you never like

1829
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:28,080
Speaker 4: had a reason to get excited before that, so it

1830
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:30,280
Speaker 4: was just kind of like you just kind of accepted it.

1831
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:31,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what makes this a little bit.

1832
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:34,920
Speaker 2: Hey, Matt, before I forget, put put a ticket into

1833
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 2: help desk about these lines. That's ridiculous.

1834
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:40,360
Speaker 11: It's a to me, it's just it's a quiet tank,

1835
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:43,040
Speaker 11: Like you got a quiet tank I'm not telling them

1836
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:44,879
Speaker 11: to like go out there and not try, like nobody's

1837
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:48,240
Speaker 11: saying that, but adding to this team and like taking

1838
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:50,639
Speaker 11: resources away from the future to add to the team.

1839
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:53,920
Speaker 11: I just don't really see where that gets you. And

1840
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:56,040
Speaker 11: I also just think if you are moving on from

1841
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 11: Bill at the end of the year, it's probably a

1842
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 11: more attractive job or the GM and the coach coming in.

1843
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 11: If you basically just have a clean slate, you know,

1844
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:08,680
Speaker 11: clean books, your whole like lotman of draft picks and

1845
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:11,799
Speaker 11: you're just kind of starting over from scratch. That's definitely

1846
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 11: easier to do than have to you know, work the

1847
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:16,040
Speaker 11: cap and do all the time.

1848
01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:17,840
Speaker 4: I mean we've mentioned that before though, you know with

1849
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:19,920
Speaker 4: with just there's a lot of turnover coming on the

1850
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 4: offensive line. No tight ends are under contract, you know,

1851
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:25,080
Speaker 4: there's I mean you have basically one running back under

1852
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 4: contract issue. So there's a lot of opportunity between the

1853
01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:29,920
Speaker 4: cap space the money you could you know theoretically have

1854
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:31,880
Speaker 4: to spend that. You know, someone could really come in

1855
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:33,720
Speaker 4: here and probably you know, put their stamp on.

1856
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:36,759
Speaker 2: Yeah. Spiin Fresno writes in at web Radio at pictures

1857
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:39,400
Speaker 2: dot com. There are a lot of mysterious unanswered questions

1858
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:42,959
Speaker 2: in Patriots history, the Butler Benching, the Jimmy g situation,

1859
01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:47,080
Speaker 2: Tom Bill, Robert dynamics, toward the end, Stork's wetness problem,

1860
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 2: what a journeyman is. And now it's clear we're gonna

1861
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:53,439
Speaker 2: be saddled with yet another mystery. Whether Ma's downfall was

1862
01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:56,000
Speaker 2: a Mac thing or a Bill thing. The answer truly

1863
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 2: is both. Even if you've generally tended to point at

1864
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 2: Mac as I have, you have to acknowledge that the

1865
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:04,240
Speaker 2: situation has set him up to play this miserably. He's

1866
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:07,479
Speaker 2: gone the way of Derek Carr, and it's genuinely sad.

1867
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:11,720
Speaker 2: I think he's probably meant that it's ridiculously unfair and

1868
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:15,920
Speaker 2: unsafe and stupid to put a middling Ish quarterback in

1869
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:19,479
Speaker 2: a middling ish situation together. They're less than the sum

1870
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:23,680
Speaker 2: of their parts. I fart and Bill's general direction, I

1871
01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:26,040
Speaker 2: just I don't know. That's a Monty Python thing.

1872
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:27,120
Speaker 3: Very interesting.

1873
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:29,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a quote from Monty pith yea.

1874
01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:31,360
Speaker 4: Anyway, it's it's it's tough when you look at through

1875
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:33,599
Speaker 4: perspective too, that like a lot of their you know,

1876
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 4: receivers and weapons are kind of cast off from other

1877
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:40,120
Speaker 4: teams like Parker Miami's willing to trade him in the division,

1878
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:44,439
Speaker 4: Kasicki couldn't find a role. You know, Juju was almost

1879
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:47,120
Speaker 4: out of the league. You know, bourn was like the

1880
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:50,719
Speaker 4: fourth option in San Francisco. You know, they're just there's nothing,

1881
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:53,120
Speaker 4: There's nobody out there that they really are kind of

1882
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:55,160
Speaker 4: teams clamoring for them or you know.

1883
01:25:55,240 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 9: It's everybody's leftovers like piled.

1884
01:25:57,200 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 4: On one team, except for you know, the guys you

1885
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:01,599
Speaker 4: drafted like Remandre that you know you thought were good

1886
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 4: and you know, just haven't really been able to get

1887
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:03,680
Speaker 4: going there.

1888
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:07,680
Speaker 11: I just feel like the overall like talent evaluation of

1889
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:12,240
Speaker 11: the skill players, specifically on offense. You did take a

1890
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:15,719
Speaker 11: receiver in the second round last year, and maybe Taekwon

1891
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 11: Thornton is going to come back and he's going to

1892
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:19,599
Speaker 11: be a better player than he was as a rookie.

1893
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:21,599
Speaker 11: But it didn't look so hot as a rookie. Granted

1894
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:23,960
Speaker 11: in an offense that we all agree was a mess,

1895
01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:27,519
Speaker 11: but you could have had a lot of good receivers

1896
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:29,200
Speaker 11: last year in the draft that would have been better

1897
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 11: players than him. You can talk about like evaluating Juju,

1898
01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:36,200
Speaker 11: evaluating Gasiki, like those guys on a pro level, Like

1899
01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:38,880
Speaker 11: did you really think that those guys were going to

1900
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:40,599
Speaker 11: move the needle? Like I don't think all of us

1901
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:43,080
Speaker 11: felt the same of like, Okay, well it's kind of

1902
01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:46,000
Speaker 11: the same talent level and there's really still no number one.

1903
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:49,000
Speaker 11: There's really no game changer or coverage tilter in this

1904
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:53,439
Speaker 11: offense still, and that's basically what it's been. And I

1905
01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:57,800
Speaker 11: just I wonder is that fixable? Like is it fixable

1906
01:26:57,880 --> 01:27:01,639
Speaker 11: to improve the evaluation of offensive talent?

1907
01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:05,479
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think it's fixable if the person in charge

1908
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:07,320
Speaker 9: is willing to listen to the people who scout these

1909
01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:09,759
Speaker 9: people like I'm wondering, like Mac Grolan, then.

1910
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:12,240
Speaker 11: So you think Mac, But like you like who was TI,

1911
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 11: Like Taekwon Thornton was not a bill pick I like

1912
01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:19,480
Speaker 11: Taekwon Thornton is one hundred and seventy five pounds soaking wet,

1913
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:22,599
Speaker 11: like the priorities for the Patriots in the passing game.

1914
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:25,720
Speaker 11: Julian Edelman was on with Colin Coward yesterday and he said,

1915
01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:28,000
Speaker 11: get open, catch the ball, and run block so he

1916
01:27:28,040 --> 01:27:30,559
Speaker 11: doesn't check probably one of their biggest boxes.

1917
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:34,120
Speaker 9: I'm still concerned that I don't think it's the scouting department.

1918
01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:34,840
Speaker 9: I think it's Bill.

1919
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 11: I just I don't see Bill. I don't see like

1920
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:41,759
Speaker 11: nikkil Harry, I could see that being all Bill Taekwon Thornton.

1921
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:45,599
Speaker 11: I don't see how his profile like projects to what Bill.

1922
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:48,280
Speaker 2: When Macro says, if you want a faster team, draft

1923
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:50,559
Speaker 2: fast players, you know, and that's what.

1924
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:51,719
Speaker 4: They did, they did.

1925
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:52,280
Speaker 2: Well.

1926
01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:54,360
Speaker 9: If that's the case, then if it was a mistake

1927
01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:55,960
Speaker 9: on the scouting team, then you might need to start

1928
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 9: fresh there too.

1929
01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:58,519
Speaker 1: When you well, I don't think there's any question you

1930
01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:02,519
Speaker 1: said it, but at it. But the part with Bill like,

1931
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:05,680
Speaker 1: to me, it's less about the evaluation is it is

1932
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:07,759
Speaker 1: how he wants to play. And I have that stuck

1933
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:10,400
Speaker 1: in my head and until someone proves it differently, I

1934
01:28:10,439 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 1: think he wants to play seventeen thirteen games, leaning on

1935
01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:16,639
Speaker 1: defense and special teams and running the ball and not Yeah,

1936
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:18,600
Speaker 1: I don't think he respects the way the game is

1937
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:22,040
Speaker 1: played now. I don't think he thinks that's real football. Yeah,

1938
01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:23,320
Speaker 1: and he doesn't want to win that way.

1939
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:28,040
Speaker 2: You've heard, you've heard railing against the win, railing against

1940
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:29,120
Speaker 2: the forward pass.

1941
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 1: Not so much the forward passes that the Madden like,

1942
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:37,559
Speaker 1: but seven like, you know, like why like you got

1943
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:39,400
Speaker 1: because he was on an few.

1944
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:42,920
Speaker 9: Tour, but would you be excited about where the NFL

1945
01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:45,439
Speaker 9: is right now? Like Jalen Hurts is fun to watch.

1946
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:47,760
Speaker 9: Mahomes is fun to watch these dual their quarterbacks are

1947
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 9: so fun.

1948
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:50,400
Speaker 2: They're also immensely fun to watch.

1949
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:53,839
Speaker 4: Is San Francisco? I mean, I just like enjoy watching

1950
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:55,679
Speaker 4: San Francisco because it's so those.

1951
01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:57,360
Speaker 1: Two linebackers scare me.

1952
01:28:57,479 --> 01:29:00,479
Speaker 4: They're awesome. I mean, and they just create to the

1953
01:29:00,479 --> 01:29:02,240
Speaker 4: top of the five weapons where it's like we you

1954
01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:04,000
Speaker 4: can do so much? Did you cover everybody else in

1955
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:07,720
Speaker 4: ok out there? But it's it doesn't have to be

1956
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:09,400
Speaker 4: like a big you know, it's not just one guy.

1957
01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:11,760
Speaker 4: It's like they just the way they've built their team,

1958
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:13,720
Speaker 4: it's it's it's they're the model franchise right now. And

1959
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:15,280
Speaker 4: I don't know, you know, I was laughing at the

1960
01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:17,280
Speaker 4: other right though, I was singing there going, oh man,

1961
01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:19,599
Speaker 4: Kyle Shannon's Lucky Brock party came around, so we can

1962
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:20,519
Speaker 4: make Kyle Shanahan.

1963
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:22,880
Speaker 2: And I love I love that they're getting Deebo back

1964
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:24,840
Speaker 2: into the running game a little bit. I love that

1965
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:26,320
Speaker 2: so many problems.

1966
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:28,280
Speaker 9: To deal with it's insane to think, like, hey, they

1967
01:29:28,360 --> 01:29:30,719
Speaker 9: almost had mac Jones. But I'm wondering if Mac Jones

1968
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:33,040
Speaker 9: in that same spot would look the same.

1969
01:29:33,240 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 3: As Brock Perdy.

1970
01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:35,720
Speaker 2: I think I don't think so.

1971
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:36,720
Speaker 3: I think it'd be close.

1972
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:38,760
Speaker 2: I think he'd be better, but not as good. I

1973
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:42,080
Speaker 2: think Purdy might be a diamond in the rough. I think.

1974
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:44,519
Speaker 2: I mean, look at his record, it's undeniable. But I

1975
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:47,080
Speaker 2: think long term we could be talking about a Hall

1976
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:47,559
Speaker 2: of Famer.

1977
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:49,160
Speaker 3: But how much.

1978
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:52,200
Speaker 11: Really the problem is, like their stats offensively are the

1979
01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:53,320
Speaker 11: same as they were with Jimmy G.

1980
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:54,599
Speaker 2: But what does he do wrong?

1981
01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:55,960
Speaker 1: Is that?

1982
01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:56,280
Speaker 6: Right?

1983
01:29:57,360 --> 01:29:57,599
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1984
01:29:57,680 --> 01:29:59,360
Speaker 1: Because it doesn't seem like this was the kind of

1985
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:01,360
Speaker 1: offense they had and Jimmy G was winning out the game.

1986
01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:03,880
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean they're like in terms of like efficiency,

1987
01:30:04,240 --> 01:30:07,240
Speaker 11: it's like marginally better with with Brock perty.

1988
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:11,160
Speaker 2: Okay, but I don't see it now.

1989
01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:14,920
Speaker 1: I'll also say that Jimmy didn't have McCaffrey, right, you know,

1990
01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:17,679
Speaker 1: But like it seems to me like they just score

1991
01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:20,519
Speaker 1: the first three times they have the ball every game, yep. Yeah,

1992
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:23,280
Speaker 1: and he never turns it over. Never, Jimmy always turned

1993
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:24,320
Speaker 1: it over, like even at his.

1994
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:29,240
Speaker 2: Best, like he is mister efficiency, Like, but you're telling

1995
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:29,880
Speaker 2: me he isn't.

1996
01:30:30,240 --> 01:30:32,080
Speaker 11: No, I'm telling you he's one of the most efficient

1997
01:30:32,160 --> 01:30:34,799
Speaker 11: quarterbacks in the league. And so is Jimmy in that offense.

1998
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:38,320
Speaker 11: And that's just the like the offense is incredible, like

1999
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:43,040
Speaker 11: they they not you know, every single button, a box

2000
01:30:43,080 --> 01:30:46,720
Speaker 11: to check, like offensive line receivers, scheme, like they they

2001
01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:49,200
Speaker 11: have it all. They have literally everything that you could

2002
01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:51,439
Speaker 11: possibly want. They have so many good receivers that they

2003
01:30:51,439 --> 01:30:52,639
Speaker 11: can't even get them all in the field.

2004
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:54,360
Speaker 2: But for a guy to just come in the league

2005
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 2: like he did, I mean, you know, Jimmy had three

2006
01:30:56,560 --> 01:30:59,320
Speaker 2: four years to just watch. He just came in and

2007
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:03,040
Speaker 2: just started from the get go. I don't know, he

2008
01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:04,720
Speaker 2: might have that special thing.

2009
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:05,760
Speaker 1: It's just it's just.

2010
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:08,000
Speaker 4: Such an interesting contrast after spending you know, so many

2011
01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:10,880
Speaker 4: arguments of Bill and Tom and who got the credit

2012
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:12,360
Speaker 4: and all that, and you know, and you have to

2013
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:15,000
Speaker 4: respect what Perty's doing, but it also just illustrates like

2014
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:18,000
Speaker 4: when you have a right quarterback but he's really surrounded

2015
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:20,120
Speaker 4: with talent that we don't even know how good Rock

2016
01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:22,160
Speaker 4: Perty really is just because everybody.

2017
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:23,840
Speaker 2: Around him so good, and we don't know how good

2018
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:28,080
Speaker 2: Mac could be We honestly don't. We honestly don't in

2019
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:30,120
Speaker 2: all fairness, I on my Twitter feed, now.

2020
01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:30,920
Speaker 9: Yeah, I feel like.

2021
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:35,760
Speaker 1: I feel like I know you did.

2022
01:31:37,080 --> 01:31:40,240
Speaker 9: It's like, if Mac had, you know, his same offensive

2023
01:31:40,240 --> 01:31:44,719
Speaker 9: black Alabama, he had DeVante Smith, he had at least

2024
01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:46,720
Speaker 9: half of the talent that was with him at Alabama,

2025
01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:47,439
Speaker 9: you could be good.

2026
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:52,000
Speaker 4: And that's just saying to himself to like, I just

2027
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:55,640
Speaker 4: that's defense, because I'm not convinced that if he had

2028
01:31:55,680 --> 01:31:57,800
Speaker 4: all of that he'd be great, because I think part

2029
01:31:57,840 --> 01:32:00,000
Speaker 4: of it is the defense, and they have played good

2030
01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:01,760
Speaker 4: defenses in the early going.

2031
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:04,880
Speaker 1: That's one thing that I'll give Mac. I mean, Dallas

2032
01:32:04,920 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 1: is good defensively. New Lean's is good defensively. The Jets

2033
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:10,360
Speaker 1: are not only good defensively, they know you inside and

2034
01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:13,400
Speaker 1: out because they've played you so many times. Like they've

2035
01:32:13,400 --> 01:32:15,040
Speaker 1: played against good defenses too.

2036
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:19,240
Speaker 11: I don't know if Mac would be this elite, top

2037
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:22,840
Speaker 11: five MVP caliber quarterback with all the things improved, But

2038
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:25,200
Speaker 11: they didn't even try to improve it for them, Like

2039
01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:28,800
Speaker 11: they didn't even try to follow the book. And the

2040
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:32,000
Speaker 11: book is like so clear it's every single young quarterback

2041
01:32:32,120 --> 01:32:34,920
Speaker 11: they're following the same script in this league, and all

2042
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:38,120
Speaker 11: those guys are playing well for the most part, following

2043
01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:40,720
Speaker 11: the same script. Like you draft the quarterback and then

2044
01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:43,760
Speaker 11: you throw every single you know, big time resource that

2045
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:46,519
Speaker 11: you have at the talent around them on the offense,

2046
01:32:46,720 --> 01:32:50,759
Speaker 11: and every single quarterback that's had that luxury to hurts

2047
01:32:51,479 --> 01:32:53,760
Speaker 11: Josh Allen, Like, you can just go down the list

2048
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:56,200
Speaker 11: of guys that when they load up on offense around

2049
01:32:56,240 --> 01:32:59,320
Speaker 11: the quarterback, it has benefited all those guys, and they

2050
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:02,000
Speaker 11: just haven't that they've completely neglected it.

2051
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:04,080
Speaker 1: Just why I include the part of Brock Purty that

2052
01:33:04,120 --> 01:33:05,719
Speaker 1: I played against his father in college.

2053
01:33:05,800 --> 01:33:07,360
Speaker 4: Oh really, mister Purty?

2054
01:33:07,479 --> 01:33:10,360
Speaker 2: Wow, sewn Sean Perty, that's pretty cool.

2055
01:33:10,520 --> 01:33:11,760
Speaker 4: To strike him out, you sit him down.

2056
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:13,559
Speaker 1: No, he pitched for Miami against US.

2057
01:33:13,640 --> 01:33:14,320
Speaker 2: That's pretty cool.

2058
01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:15,200
Speaker 4: Take him, take him a long.

2059
01:33:15,240 --> 01:33:16,080
Speaker 1: No, we lost.

2060
01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:21,120
Speaker 2: Tyler in Providence. Belichick is a legend in the league

2061
01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:23,559
Speaker 2: and the best coach of all time, but it's starting

2062
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:26,120
Speaker 2: to feel like he is quiet quitting the position as

2063
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:29,240
Speaker 2: head coach. His replacement planned for Brady was a washed

2064
01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:32,639
Speaker 2: Cam Newton. His drafting since then included a mediocre guard

2065
01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:34,519
Speaker 2: in the first round from a lower tier school, a

2066
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:37,000
Speaker 2: second rounder with less meat in his bones than a

2067
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:40,280
Speaker 2: lobster role in Multiple Kickers. He even traded down when

2068
01:33:40,360 --> 01:33:42,400
Speaker 2: Christian Gonzalez was on the board, but had to take

2069
01:33:42,439 --> 01:33:44,439
Speaker 2: him so it wasn't too obvious what he was doing.

2070
01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:46,800
Speaker 2: The team also was coming out flat each week and

2071
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:49,559
Speaker 2: doesn't seem prepared to play. Obviously, this is a joke

2072
01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:52,280
Speaker 2: and all great things come to an end. Eventually, the

2073
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:55,240
Speaker 2: team really isn't good this year, and hopefully Belichick receives

2074
01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:58,280
Speaker 2: the respect he deserves as he retires at the end

2075
01:33:58,280 --> 01:34:01,120
Speaker 2: of the season. Also is the most important part of

2076
01:34:01,160 --> 01:34:05,200
Speaker 2: the email, when Fred finally goes downhill and loses his fastball.

2077
01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:08,200
Speaker 2: Is there a succession plan in place for PU? I

2078
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:10,400
Speaker 2: just don't want the show to be caught with its

2079
01:34:10,439 --> 01:34:12,960
Speaker 2: pants down and big hit coming back as our cam new.

2080
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:16,280
Speaker 4: Imagine like what the PU version of Juju would be, like, Oh,

2081
01:34:16,280 --> 01:34:17,880
Speaker 4: we got this thing, we got this new guy. We're

2082
01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:20,080
Speaker 4: swapping out Deuce, but we were upgrading.

2083
01:34:20,160 --> 01:34:23,679
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure on the PU version of got no Burst,

2084
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:25,519
Speaker 1: nothing I did.

2085
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:25,960
Speaker 3: I don't.

2086
01:34:26,360 --> 01:34:28,400
Speaker 11: I know the emailer was like tongue in cheek about

2087
01:34:28,439 --> 01:34:30,800
Speaker 11: the quiet quitting thing, but I know your shows are

2088
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:33,000
Speaker 11: big on this. Paul, Like is he is he putting

2089
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:35,160
Speaker 11: as much effort into it as he used to like

2090
01:34:35,640 --> 01:34:38,080
Speaker 11: and I like wouldn't blame him for it, right, Like

2091
01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:39,519
Speaker 11: he's seventy years old, But.

2092
01:34:40,120 --> 01:34:41,720
Speaker 3: Is he is it?

2093
01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:44,680
Speaker 11: Like is he on the the stuff that he used

2094
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:46,960
Speaker 11: to be on? Is he in here all day and

2095
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:48,800
Speaker 11: all night grinding film in Like.

2096
01:34:51,560 --> 01:34:53,000
Speaker 4: No, I got to give credit to front of the

2097
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:57,280
Speaker 4: show Boston Cream who coined belichicked out, which that was

2098
01:34:57,400 --> 01:34:58,640
Speaker 4: kind of funny.

2099
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:01,519
Speaker 1: Well, and I don't know the answer to that, but

2100
01:35:02,360 --> 01:35:05,040
Speaker 1: you know, anecdotally, you look at the days off and

2101
01:35:05,080 --> 01:35:07,240
Speaker 1: stuff during like you know, look, we don't need all

2102
01:35:07,240 --> 01:35:08,840
Speaker 1: the ota s. Well, you know we're gonna have a

2103
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:11,080
Speaker 1: day off. I think some of it is is CBA

2104
01:35:11,160 --> 01:35:13,639
Speaker 1: related that we still don't really understand all the different

2105
01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:18,639
Speaker 1: minutia that that's involved with that. But that's what people

2106
01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:20,960
Speaker 1: point to when they say he's not as invested as

2107
01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:21,439
Speaker 1: he once will.

2108
01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:27,800
Speaker 2: I think that's baloney. Okay, Alexon Conquered just want to say,

2109
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:30,000
Speaker 2: long time listen to the show. I'm so I'm sad

2110
01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:33,400
Speaker 2: to hear the optimism out of Fred, who has always

2111
01:35:33,400 --> 01:35:35,680
Speaker 2: been so high on the Patriots, no matter what I

2112
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:36,479
Speaker 2: think he means.

2113
01:35:36,520 --> 01:35:37,439
Speaker 1: The lack of operation.

2114
01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:40,400
Speaker 2: Right. However, I found something to be happy about this weekend.

2115
01:35:40,479 --> 01:35:43,360
Speaker 2: During the game. It was about halfway through the third

2116
01:35:43,439 --> 01:35:46,320
Speaker 2: quarter when I decided to leave and go grocery shopping

2117
01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:49,680
Speaker 2: with my spouse. I found the Holy Grail soap with

2118
01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:52,479
Speaker 2: a slot. I couldn't believe my eyes. A whole section

2119
01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:55,880
Speaker 2: of different soaps and scents dedicated to saving soap. The

2120
01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:58,760
Speaker 2: soap of the slot was conveniently located next to the

2121
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:02,040
Speaker 2: dog saliva handwife for when your fingers get covered in

2122
01:36:02,080 --> 01:36:05,280
Speaker 2: buffalo sauce. So there you go, what is happening?

2123
01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:07,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great.

2124
01:36:07,680 --> 01:36:11,120
Speaker 4: Oh man, December, we're gonna be like knee deep and

2125
01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:13,719
Speaker 4: soap with a slot in December when it's getting bleaked.

2126
01:36:13,720 --> 01:36:15,240
Speaker 2: I got a feeling though, we're gonna have a lot

2127
01:36:15,240 --> 01:36:16,960
Speaker 2: of things to talk about.

2128
01:36:17,560 --> 01:36:19,800
Speaker 11: It's hard to even like, like, you know, I joked

2129
01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:22,000
Speaker 11: in the meeting earlier about Caleb Williams, but like it's

2130
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:25,720
Speaker 11: hard to even like do that path because I'm just

2131
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:28,760
Speaker 11: who's that Who's gonna be in charge here next year?

2132
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:30,519
Speaker 3: Right? And like if it's.

2133
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:32,320
Speaker 11: Bill again, are they just gonna like I don't even

2134
01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:34,000
Speaker 11: know if they're going to take the quarterback in the

2135
01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:35,880
Speaker 11: top five. Like, I don't know if they're gonna take

2136
01:36:36,479 --> 01:36:38,360
Speaker 11: any any of these guys that I think are all

2137
01:36:38,439 --> 01:36:41,439
Speaker 11: all have like individual talents, like Drake May I think

2138
01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:45,040
Speaker 11: is an interesting prospect. Penix, I think is an interesting prospect.

2139
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:47,400
Speaker 11: But is that even what they're gonna do or are

2140
01:36:47,479 --> 01:36:49,840
Speaker 11: they gonna draft some left tackle we've never heard of.

2141
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:52,280
Speaker 1: Like you're willing to go Pennicks lefty.

2142
01:36:52,360 --> 01:36:53,679
Speaker 3: I can't do lefties.

2143
01:36:53,680 --> 01:36:56,080
Speaker 11: I've already I've already left I've already put that out

2144
01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:58,599
Speaker 11: there that like a bad way just can't adjust the lefties.

2145
01:36:58,640 --> 01:37:00,639
Speaker 11: But but Penix is a gamer. I mean, that guy's

2146
01:37:00,640 --> 01:37:01,160
Speaker 11: got to keep.

2147
01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:04,040
Speaker 1: He's also been in college like twelve years, but he's good.

2148
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:07,559
Speaker 9: That would be painful if they decided to keep Mac

2149
01:37:07,640 --> 01:37:10,240
Speaker 9: Jones and draft a left tackle that I have to

2150
01:37:09,880 --> 01:37:10,840
Speaker 9: google Google your.

2151
01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:13,880
Speaker 4: School, well the google your school thing, Yes, But I mean,

2152
01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:16,439
Speaker 4: I just you can't replace the whole team next season.

2153
01:37:16,520 --> 01:37:18,400
Speaker 4: And that's why unless you could maybe get one of

2154
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Speaker 4: those top two quarterbacks, I do wonder if it's better

2155
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:24,280
Speaker 4: spent on a left tackle of the future and you know,

2156
01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:26,840
Speaker 4: and finally maybe put some pieces around Mac for his

2157
01:37:26,960 --> 01:37:27,880
Speaker 4: last year or two.

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01:37:28,280 --> 01:37:31,720
Speaker 11: They're gonna if it's Bill running the ship, they they're

2159
01:37:31,720 --> 01:37:33,920
Speaker 11: definitely gonna trade down if they have a pick that's

2160
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:36,559
Speaker 11: that valuable at the top of the draft, they'll trade

2161
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:39,320
Speaker 11: down and to get you know, seventeen picks out of it,

2162
01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:42,040
Speaker 11: and then they'll take some left tackle or something like

2163
01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:44,680
Speaker 11: that like that. That's so that's why, like, I'm not

2164
01:37:44,720 --> 01:37:46,759
Speaker 11: gonna go here and be like Kayleb Williams.

2165
01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:47,840
Speaker 3: Drake may like which one.

2166
01:37:48,120 --> 01:37:51,679
Speaker 11: Because we're not there yet really five weeks into the season,

2167
01:37:51,680 --> 01:37:53,360
Speaker 11: but be I just don't even know that's the path

2168
01:37:53,360 --> 01:37:53,719
Speaker 11: that they're.

2169
01:37:53,640 --> 01:37:56,759
Speaker 2: Like what I've seen from Will Greer, Fred Oh my gosh,

2170
01:37:57,200 --> 01:38:02,080
Speaker 2: Steve in Nelson News. A question that needs to be

2171
01:38:02,120 --> 01:38:04,479
Speaker 2: asked of our goat of a head coach and for

2172
01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:08,439
Speaker 2: it to have the right impact, we need a sacrificial lamb. Now.

2173
01:38:08,439 --> 01:38:10,960
Speaker 2: It can't be the ladies Alex or Tamara because Bill

2174
01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:12,960
Speaker 2: is too much of an old school gent would never

2175
01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:15,800
Speaker 2: get mad at a lady. It can't be Evan because

2176
01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:18,719
Speaker 2: he's the next OC and Bill respects his football IQ.

2177
01:38:19,800 --> 01:38:22,040
Speaker 2: It can't be Paul because we all know Bill has

2178
01:38:22,040 --> 01:38:24,400
Speaker 2: a man crush on Paul. So it has to be

2179
01:38:24,439 --> 01:38:28,920
Speaker 2: the babyface King of sneaky snark Mike. The question that

2180
01:38:28,960 --> 01:38:31,280
Speaker 2: Mike has to pose to Bill, and please don't let

2181
01:38:31,320 --> 01:38:34,320
Speaker 2: him off the hook, is Bill, in what ways do

2182
01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:36,720
Speaker 2: you feel football has changed in the last twenty years

2183
01:38:36,720 --> 01:38:40,000
Speaker 2: from an offensive point of view? Now, if delivered in

2184
01:38:40,040 --> 01:38:42,280
Speaker 2: the right tone, our goat head coach will of course

2185
01:38:42,360 --> 01:38:45,519
Speaker 2: read the undercurrent to the question, and Wat's lyrically about

2186
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:48,200
Speaker 2: how football should be played and that pounding the balls

2187
01:38:48,200 --> 01:38:50,559
Speaker 2: the way forward. Just do your job, Mike and ask

2188
01:38:50,640 --> 01:38:51,160
Speaker 2: that question.

2189
01:38:53,160 --> 01:38:56,599
Speaker 4: I don't know, I'm just kind of focused on the Raiders. Yeah,

2190
01:38:57,120 --> 01:38:59,240
Speaker 4: and there it is.

2191
01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:05,120
Speaker 3: At first.

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01:39:07,439 --> 01:39:11,720
Speaker 2: Kyle, he used to be in Korea South, but I'm

2193
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:13,920
Speaker 2: not sure if he's still there for anyway North now, Yeah,

2194
01:39:13,960 --> 01:39:16,280
Speaker 2: he doesn't say, maybe he moved back. I know it's

2195
01:39:16,320 --> 01:39:18,640
Speaker 2: still early in the season and also still early in

2196
01:39:18,680 --> 01:39:21,200
Speaker 2: Max's career, but I'll ask anyway. This one is for

2197
01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:25,160
Speaker 2: the grizzled Vets. Fred and Paul Fred ranked the Patriots

2198
01:39:25,160 --> 01:39:28,040
Speaker 2: starting quarterbacks in your lifetime, and stop when you get

2199
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:31,519
Speaker 2: to Max Jones and Paul ranked the worst Patriots team ever,

2200
01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:33,400
Speaker 2: and stop when you get to this one.

2201
01:39:34,240 --> 01:39:37,080
Speaker 1: Oh, this one's not even close. Yeah, I mean I

2202
01:39:37,160 --> 01:39:39,040
Speaker 1: might change that at the end right end of the Yeah.

2203
01:39:39,240 --> 01:39:43,360
Speaker 1: But like the Rod rush year, to me, is can

2204
01:39:43,400 --> 01:39:46,040
Speaker 1: I eliminate all the sixties and early seventies that I

2205
01:39:46,120 --> 01:39:50,439
Speaker 1: was never I shouldn't, but I don't know. I started

2206
01:39:50,479 --> 01:39:52,639
Speaker 1: basically in seventy six and they went eleven and three,

2207
01:39:52,800 --> 01:39:56,439
Speaker 1: so I was like you, I started watching the team.

2208
01:39:56,960 --> 01:40:00,760
Speaker 1: But the Rod Russ year was what nineteen ninety at

2209
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:02,800
Speaker 1: one and fifteen they had a coach mack here that

2210
01:40:02,840 --> 01:40:05,360
Speaker 1: they went two and fourteen. Those would be my two

2211
01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:06,200
Speaker 1: that I would start with.

2212
01:40:07,560 --> 01:40:08,479
Speaker 4: I want no talent.

2213
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:13,000
Speaker 1: I mean two thousand. Belichick's two thousand team had no talent, and.

2214
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:16,240
Speaker 2: Then ranked the quarterbacks. I'm usually it's Brady and then

2215
01:40:16,280 --> 01:40:18,880
Speaker 2: bled Cell that's one and two, no doubt about that.

2216
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:20,360
Speaker 1: Then I would probably go Grogan.

2217
01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:25,320
Speaker 2: Wow, well, Grogan had his stint. But like if you

2218
01:40:25,439 --> 01:40:27,719
Speaker 2: just think about it, was Easton a better QB?

2219
01:40:28,320 --> 01:40:30,680
Speaker 1: I don't think so. No, No, I think you could

2220
01:40:30,720 --> 01:40:32,760
Speaker 1: probably make an argument for it, but I wouldn't. I

2221
01:40:32,800 --> 01:40:35,439
Speaker 1: would say Grogan was better. Some people think Grogan was

2222
01:40:35,479 --> 01:40:38,360
Speaker 1: better than Bledsoe, which just wow, come on, you know

2223
01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:41,000
Speaker 1: some people like interceptions. I don't know what to tell you.

2224
01:40:42,840 --> 01:40:45,200
Speaker 2: Okay, it was a lot of excitement in that Mac

2225
01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:47,719
Speaker 2: Jones or Tony Easton Mac.

2226
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:48,880
Speaker 1: Jones or Tony Tony Easton.

2227
01:40:50,040 --> 01:40:53,080
Speaker 2: Okay, so we haven't got to Mac yet. You're putting

2228
01:40:53,080 --> 01:40:57,880
Speaker 2: Grogan over Mac. Yes, okay, so Mac Castle, Mac Castle

2229
01:40:57,960 --> 01:40:58,639
Speaker 2: over Mac.

2230
01:41:00,240 --> 01:41:00,439
Speaker 4: Run.

2231
01:41:00,520 --> 01:41:04,439
Speaker 2: It's only one year though, Cameron Newton, Cam Newton.

2232
01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:05,639
Speaker 1: Would be over cam Newton.

2233
01:41:05,720 --> 01:41:10,320
Speaker 2: Okay but not Yeah, as a patriot from friend, as

2234
01:41:10,360 --> 01:41:11,200
Speaker 2: your patriot, you're right?

2235
01:41:12,520 --> 01:41:14,559
Speaker 1: What about do you have?

2236
01:41:15,560 --> 01:41:17,640
Speaker 2: What about in the in the few starts that he

2237
01:41:17,680 --> 01:41:20,160
Speaker 2: had Scott Zolac in Mac.

2238
01:41:22,320 --> 01:41:24,800
Speaker 1: Did Zoe play more games than just like those?

2239
01:41:25,160 --> 01:41:25,240
Speaker 6: Like?

2240
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:26,559
Speaker 1: How many games did he start?

2241
01:41:27,439 --> 01:41:29,439
Speaker 2: I think it was just like I think.

2242
01:41:29,280 --> 01:41:31,880
Speaker 1: I got Zo like Zo b San Francisco.

2243
01:41:32,439 --> 01:41:34,559
Speaker 2: It was a big win for Pete Carroll. I remember

2244
01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:36,240
Speaker 2: that week. It was a huge We did the pf

2245
01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:40,880
Speaker 2: W cover with the Z. Tell them yeah, yeah, so

2246
01:41:40,960 --> 01:41:43,120
Speaker 2: you know Zoro would leave his mark with the Z

2247
01:41:43,280 --> 01:41:44,200
Speaker 2: with his sword.

2248
01:41:44,080 --> 01:41:45,920
Speaker 4: Seven starts, so he doesn't.

2249
01:41:45,960 --> 01:41:49,400
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I was checking the seven starts. What was

2250
01:41:49,400 --> 01:41:49,840
Speaker 2: his record?

2251
01:41:49,880 --> 01:41:56,160
Speaker 4: Starts for games? He threw eight touchdowns and seven interceptions,

2252
01:41:57,720 --> 01:41:59,360
Speaker 4: doesn't say his record here.

2253
01:41:59,439 --> 01:42:02,160
Speaker 1: Let's shoot QB. Okay, you didn't go on Pro Football.

2254
01:42:02,600 --> 01:42:03,760
Speaker 4: I'm there now, thank you very much.

2255
01:42:03,800 --> 01:42:04,280
Speaker 1: Three and four.

2256
01:42:06,200 --> 01:42:09,479
Speaker 2: Who was the original quarterback for the Patriots? What's his name?

2257
01:42:10,520 --> 01:42:14,400
Speaker 2: Perill or Mac? I have no idea, but Sonkin was

2258
01:42:14,439 --> 01:42:17,719
Speaker 2: actually year one. I don't know. I never saw those, babe, Perilly.

2259
01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:18,559
Speaker 3: I'm taking.

2260
01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:24,599
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I mean it's hard max like six, maybe

2261
01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:28,360
Speaker 2: number six as of right now.

2262
01:42:28,520 --> 01:42:30,720
Speaker 3: I wish a real shot at it.

2263
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:32,919
Speaker 2: Oh, Jim Plunkett. I forgot about Jim Plunkett.

2264
01:42:33,280 --> 01:42:34,920
Speaker 3: That's old, old career, Jim.

2265
01:42:35,880 --> 01:42:38,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, free got drafted here.

2266
01:42:39,960 --> 01:42:42,320
Speaker 2: Remember we traded him for a boatload of picks.

2267
01:42:42,680 --> 01:42:44,439
Speaker 1: Jim Plunkett would be the guy that you want to

2268
01:42:44,439 --> 01:42:47,360
Speaker 1: point to if you're Mac Jones supporter, because Jim Plunkett

2269
01:42:47,439 --> 01:42:50,639
Speaker 1: was drafted number one overall, came in, had no protection,

2270
01:42:50,720 --> 01:42:53,639
Speaker 1: the team was awful, ran around for his life, got killed,

2271
01:42:53,680 --> 01:42:57,880
Speaker 1: and everybody said bust he stinks, right, and then he

2272
01:42:57,920 --> 01:42:59,519
Speaker 1: went to the Raiders and won two Super.

2273
01:42:59,280 --> 01:43:02,320
Speaker 9: Bowl What are the that he finds a new home.

2274
01:43:02,920 --> 01:43:07,519
Speaker 2: Can plunk it? That's a good question, Like what is

2275
01:43:07,640 --> 01:43:10,480
Speaker 2: what is his future in the NFL? If the Patriots

2276
01:43:10,720 --> 01:43:16,160
Speaker 2: jettison him. I think somebody else sign him, not as

2277
01:43:16,160 --> 01:43:18,280
Speaker 2: their starter, and it'll be up to him.

2278
01:43:18,520 --> 01:43:20,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jacoby Brissette. What would you how would your stack

2279
01:43:20,439 --> 01:43:22,439
Speaker 4: him up against? I mean, I know jacobyt was your

2280
01:43:22,439 --> 01:43:24,120
Speaker 4: briefly better. He's gone better than.

2281
01:43:24,400 --> 01:43:28,639
Speaker 1: Better than Jacoby Brissett. But like Baker Mayfield, Like where

2282
01:43:28,720 --> 01:43:32,360
Speaker 1: someone who gets stuck when the music stops and they

2283
01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:35,599
Speaker 1: don't have a chair, Yeah, Baker Mayfield and look what's

2284
01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:37,400
Speaker 1: happening he I mean, I don't think he's good for

2285
01:43:37,479 --> 01:43:40,920
Speaker 1: Baker too. I don't think he's played great, played well.

2286
01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:44,280
Speaker 11: Yeah, I just wish that they had given Mac a

2287
01:43:44,320 --> 01:43:46,720
Speaker 11: fair chance. Like maybe we ended up at this at

2288
01:43:46,720 --> 01:43:50,840
Speaker 11: this spot regardless, but like if they had really done

2289
01:43:50,880 --> 01:43:54,640
Speaker 11: it the right way and not saddled him with Patricia

2290
01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:59,920
Speaker 11: and not neglected the offense from a supporting cast standpoint,

2291
01:44:00,280 --> 01:44:02,680
Speaker 11: and had done the Miami plan, I had done the

2292
01:44:02,680 --> 01:44:05,599
Speaker 11: Philly plan, like it just had done it the right way,

2293
01:44:05,920 --> 01:44:08,000
Speaker 11: Like what would it have looked like. I'm not saying

2294
01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:10,120
Speaker 11: it would have looked better. I'm not saying any like,

2295
01:44:10,160 --> 01:44:12,720
Speaker 11: I'm not judging that. I'm just saying that from a

2296
01:44:13,200 --> 01:44:15,800
Speaker 11: fan's perspective. I just I wish we had seen that

2297
01:44:16,479 --> 01:44:19,200
Speaker 11: version of this movie, because then it would.

2298
01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:20,479
Speaker 9: Have been just like up to him and there would

2299
01:44:20,479 --> 01:44:22,120
Speaker 9: have been no excuses to be like.

2300
01:44:22,120 --> 01:44:26,840
Speaker 1: Oh, there was a great argument with General Olofski and

2301
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:32,519
Speaker 1: Rex Ryan yesterday about that. You know, Orlowski said, you

2302
01:44:32,520 --> 01:44:34,599
Speaker 1: don't think that if if you just if you put

2303
01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:36,519
Speaker 1: mac Jones in for Brock party, it will look exactly

2304
01:44:36,520 --> 01:44:38,479
Speaker 1: the same. And I thought Rex Ryan was going to

2305
01:44:38,520 --> 01:44:41,599
Speaker 1: fall off his chair. Right, It's like, are you serious?

2306
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:45,880
Speaker 2: And they were like that now and Rex Ryan goes correct,

2307
01:44:46,120 --> 01:44:47,760
Speaker 2: when he was a rookie, he said he was a piece.

2308
01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:49,280
Speaker 2: He had a peace shooter for an arm when he

2309
01:44:49,280 --> 01:44:50,880
Speaker 2: was a rookie. And they're like, yeah, you know, you're right,

2310
01:44:51,320 --> 01:44:54,519
Speaker 2: you did say that. You did say that, Yeah, Mike,

2311
01:44:54,600 --> 01:44:58,320
Speaker 2: And Duval says Fred, I respect your football knowledge, you're

2312
01:44:58,360 --> 01:45:01,200
Speaker 2: with your insight, but from working in the organization for

2313
01:45:01,200 --> 01:45:03,160
Speaker 2: as long as you have, you really are an ascid

2314
01:45:03,479 --> 01:45:09,120
Speaker 2: But please recuse yourself from the following question. I think

2315
01:45:09,160 --> 01:45:11,639
Speaker 2: you're too close to the forest to see from through

2316
01:45:11,640 --> 01:45:14,200
Speaker 2: the trees everyone else. You don't know from the trees

2317
01:45:14,240 --> 01:45:16,240
Speaker 2: everyone else. Is it fair to say that Bill is

2318
01:45:16,240 --> 01:45:19,200
Speaker 2: perhaps one of, if not the greatest defensive mind slash

2319
01:45:19,240 --> 01:45:22,679
Speaker 2: defensive coach in the league has ever seen, But maybe

2320
01:45:22,760 --> 01:45:25,479
Speaker 2: just maybe the notion that he is the goat coach?

2321
01:45:25,680 --> 01:45:28,240
Speaker 2: Is a bridge too far. When he and Tom were together,

2322
01:45:28,280 --> 01:45:30,720
Speaker 2: they were considered the greatest to ever do it at

2323
01:45:30,760 --> 01:45:33,960
Speaker 2: their respective positions. When Tom left, his greatness was still

2324
01:45:34,040 --> 01:45:37,320
Speaker 2: very much on display. It has been four years since then,

2325
01:45:37,560 --> 01:45:40,600
Speaker 2: has bills? If the answer is no, If he is

2326
01:45:40,640 --> 01:45:43,040
Speaker 2: really the goat coach, shouldn't there have been at least

2327
01:45:43,040 --> 01:45:45,800
Speaker 2: a monicum of his greatness as a head coach without

2328
01:45:45,800 --> 01:45:50,479
Speaker 2: the other goat? Sure, so shouldn't there You know, I

2329
01:45:50,520 --> 01:45:51,240
Speaker 2: get what he's saying.

2330
01:45:51,280 --> 01:45:52,960
Speaker 4: You get what he's saying, But I just also think,

2331
01:45:53,040 --> 01:45:55,519
Speaker 4: like why does the last five years have to be

2332
01:45:55,680 --> 01:45:58,800
Speaker 4: a reflection on the previous thirty years? You know, like

2333
01:45:58,960 --> 01:46:02,040
Speaker 4: is it possible that some bad decisions were made? And

2334
01:46:02,320 --> 01:46:05,120
Speaker 4: you know this isn't you know? All along he's been

2335
01:46:05,200 --> 01:46:07,439
Speaker 4: actually just a terrible coach and you know he just

2336
01:46:07,600 --> 01:46:10,000
Speaker 4: like and I also just like why do we have

2337
01:46:10,040 --> 01:46:12,320
Speaker 4: to rank coaches? Like how what what's your greatest coach

2338
01:46:12,360 --> 01:46:14,639
Speaker 4: of all time? Like what what makes a great coach?

2339
01:46:14,680 --> 01:46:17,519
Speaker 4: I don't know, It's it's like a really nebulous thing.

2340
01:46:17,600 --> 01:46:19,800
Speaker 4: And I don't ever really care about like who the

2341
01:46:19,840 --> 01:46:21,519
Speaker 4: greatest coaches? Well, I think they're all good I think

2342
01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:22,720
Speaker 4: he's a really good coach. He's a Hall of.

2343
01:46:22,720 --> 01:46:25,400
Speaker 1: Famer with you on this part of like who cares

2344
01:46:25,560 --> 01:46:29,400
Speaker 1: nostics list them wherever you want to list him.

2345
01:46:29,479 --> 01:46:30,920
Speaker 3: I don't know what difference it makes.

2346
01:46:30,960 --> 01:46:32,840
Speaker 1: You know, guys supposed to be young and hip. That's

2347
01:46:32,840 --> 01:46:35,760
Speaker 1: what he's supposed to do on the internet.

2348
01:46:36,200 --> 01:46:37,880
Speaker 3: Make a list, do list on your own time.

2349
01:46:37,960 --> 01:46:40,160
Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's it's fun with players because

2350
01:46:40,160 --> 01:46:41,760
Speaker 4: you have stats and you have games and you know,

2351
01:46:41,800 --> 01:46:43,760
Speaker 4: but it's like no one knows for sure what a

2352
01:46:43,800 --> 01:46:45,880
Speaker 4: coach does. Like you're just kind of a bout. You're

2353
01:46:45,920 --> 01:46:48,000
Speaker 4: kind of there standing on the sidelines as your teams

2354
01:46:48,240 --> 01:46:50,519
Speaker 4: do well or don't do well, and then you infer

2355
01:46:50,640 --> 01:46:52,559
Speaker 4: how much impact they did or did not happen.

2356
01:46:52,760 --> 01:46:54,240
Speaker 1: I used to say to Fred all the time, like

2357
01:46:54,320 --> 01:46:56,600
Speaker 1: why you know people would get upset, like when the

2358
01:46:57,200 --> 01:47:00,280
Speaker 1: various scandals would come up. You know, like, well, this

2359
01:47:00,400 --> 01:47:03,160
Speaker 1: is gonna spoil the legacy, But why would you care?

2360
01:47:04,160 --> 01:47:05,840
Speaker 1: Like I'm not saying it's a good thing as a

2361
01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:08,240
Speaker 1: Patriots fan to have those, but I'm saying, if you

2362
01:47:08,240 --> 01:47:10,360
Speaker 1: think Bill Belichick is the greatest coach of all time

2363
01:47:10,439 --> 01:47:15,080
Speaker 1: and someone else doesn't, why would that bother you like significantly,

2364
01:47:15,280 --> 01:47:17,000
Speaker 1: like where you're sort of losing sleep.

2365
01:47:16,720 --> 01:47:20,439
Speaker 4: Over right, like you demand that Kansas City Chiefs fans acknowledged.

2366
01:47:19,880 --> 01:47:20,760
Speaker 2: It, right, coach.

2367
01:47:20,840 --> 01:47:23,040
Speaker 1: And at the same time, if someone tells you, I

2368
01:47:23,040 --> 01:47:25,160
Speaker 1: think Andy Reid is better because I feel like he's

2369
01:47:25,200 --> 01:47:29,080
Speaker 1: had more success with various quarterbacks than Bill, why would

2370
01:47:29,120 --> 01:47:31,880
Speaker 1: that ball them? Like you think Bill Belichick is the

2371
01:47:31,880 --> 01:47:36,000
Speaker 1: greatest coach? Have some like strengthen your conviction and just

2372
01:47:36,080 --> 01:47:36,439
Speaker 1: go I.

2373
01:47:36,880 --> 01:47:39,479
Speaker 4: Do wonder with some of these people though, that have

2374
01:47:39,800 --> 01:47:43,240
Speaker 4: seemingly so much like angst and anger towards Bill Belichick,

2375
01:47:43,320 --> 01:47:45,760
Speaker 4: Like will they be supportive of him when like things

2376
01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:47,760
Speaker 4: are nice, things are done for him, like in retirement,

2377
01:47:47,800 --> 01:47:49,680
Speaker 4: and they do you know they like you know what

2378
01:47:49,720 --> 01:47:52,280
Speaker 4: I mean, Like all of a sudden, these people that

2379
01:47:52,360 --> 01:47:54,680
Speaker 4: you know are just like cannot stop being mad at

2380
01:47:54,680 --> 01:47:57,080
Speaker 4: Bill Belichick for everything that he's done to their football team,

2381
01:47:57,120 --> 01:47:58,800
Speaker 4: Like well, they they'll all of a sudden be out

2382
01:47:58,840 --> 01:48:00,720
Speaker 4: there that's one of the famous.

2383
01:48:00,160 --> 01:48:03,240
Speaker 1: Like great, it was amazing even though for five years

2384
01:48:03,360 --> 01:48:05,800
Speaker 1: going to get a different You're gonna get a different Bill.

2385
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:08,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you'll get you get the top one hundred.

2386
01:48:08,120 --> 01:48:10,879
Speaker 1: When they're putting a statue of Bill in the plaza.

2387
01:48:11,360 --> 01:48:13,040
Speaker 1: He's going to come with a big smile on his

2388
01:48:13,120 --> 01:48:16,000
Speaker 1: face and he's going to thank the fans for all

2389
01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:18,240
Speaker 1: the support. Like, you know, remember the last game at

2390
01:48:18,439 --> 01:48:21,240
Speaker 1: fox Spore Stadium, Freddy, Yeah, you know, Bill was like

2391
01:48:21,479 --> 01:48:23,280
Speaker 1: it was like he was hosting a party. Oh yeah,

2392
01:48:23,320 --> 01:48:26,679
Speaker 1: they was high five of people. It was a whole

2393
01:48:26,680 --> 01:48:27,439
Speaker 1: different Belichick.

2394
01:48:27,479 --> 01:48:31,840
Speaker 11: And that's in the back speaking as somebody that is like,

2395
01:48:32,640 --> 01:48:36,720
Speaker 11: thanks for all you've done, you know, goodbye. I'll see

2396
01:48:36,760 --> 01:48:38,559
Speaker 11: you at the Hall of Fame ceremony and I'll be

2397
01:48:38,640 --> 01:48:41,520
Speaker 11: there to to thank you for everything.

2398
01:48:41,200 --> 01:48:41,679
Speaker 3: That you did.

2399
01:48:42,120 --> 01:48:43,840
Speaker 11: You know, like it is not it's nothing to do

2400
01:48:43,920 --> 01:48:45,840
Speaker 11: with the past. Like it's not like bitter.

2401
01:48:46,000 --> 01:48:48,920
Speaker 4: That's why I like listening more to players talk about

2402
01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:50,960
Speaker 4: what makes him a good coach then you know, just

2403
01:48:51,120 --> 01:48:53,760
Speaker 4: our outside perspective of well he won that game and

2404
01:48:53,800 --> 01:48:55,200
Speaker 4: this team was bad, you.

2405
01:48:55,120 --> 01:48:57,960
Speaker 1: Know, like, and I do listen to you know, I

2406
01:48:58,000 --> 01:48:59,960
Speaker 1: think some of it is hyperbole, but I do listen

2407
01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:02,960
Speaker 1: to when players say, you know, I was on three

2408
01:49:03,040 --> 01:49:07,120
Speaker 1: different teams and nowhere was the level of preparation or

2409
01:49:07,479 --> 01:49:11,759
Speaker 1: attention to detail ever, or how he taught approaching what they.

2410
01:49:11,600 --> 01:49:14,680
Speaker 2: Did I'll never get when he first came here as

2411
01:49:14,680 --> 01:49:20,960
Speaker 2: a defensive guy under ourselves and lawyer Molloy during training

2412
01:49:20,960 --> 01:49:24,200
Speaker 2: camp said, this guy's a genius. He makes it so

2413
01:49:24,479 --> 01:49:27,880
Speaker 2: easy to understand the defense. He makes it so easy

2414
01:49:27,960 --> 01:49:30,479
Speaker 2: and I'll never forget that, you know. And since then

2415
01:49:30,520 --> 01:49:33,160
Speaker 2: you've heard guys say he's an amazing teacher. You don't

2416
01:49:33,200 --> 01:49:35,880
Speaker 2: see that part, and that's too bad, you know, I

2417
01:49:35,880 --> 01:49:38,200
Speaker 2: would love to. We've asked to mike him up during

2418
01:49:38,240 --> 01:49:40,960
Speaker 2: practice and everything like that, and you know, we never

2419
01:49:41,000 --> 01:49:43,120
Speaker 2: get it. But it would be so great for fans

2420
01:49:43,160 --> 01:49:45,920
Speaker 2: to see how he teaches the game in the moment

2421
01:49:46,040 --> 01:49:49,439
Speaker 2: on the field, the little things that he you know,

2422
01:49:49,479 --> 01:49:51,120
Speaker 2: we see him talking to guys, well we don't know

2423
01:49:51,160 --> 01:49:52,759
Speaker 2: what he's sayings.

2424
01:49:52,200 --> 01:49:54,280
Speaker 4: And that's stuff as a fan I ate up is

2425
01:49:54,360 --> 01:49:57,800
Speaker 4: just listening listening to him talk to players on the

2426
01:49:57,840 --> 01:50:00,479
Speaker 4: field or standing in front of them, you know, without

2427
01:50:00,520 --> 01:50:03,479
Speaker 4: the kind of the whatever you want governor he puts

2428
01:50:03,520 --> 01:50:05,280
Speaker 4: on when he's talking to the press because he doesn't

2429
01:50:05,280 --> 01:50:07,160
Speaker 4: want to say anything that's going to set off anything,

2430
01:50:07,920 --> 01:50:10,000
Speaker 4: you know that. I mean, that's the stuff that really

2431
01:50:10,040 --> 01:50:12,000
Speaker 4: shows you what kind of coach he is not. Just

2432
01:50:12,760 --> 01:50:14,720
Speaker 4: they went six and twelve this year and bubble, you know,

2433
01:50:14,800 --> 01:50:17,000
Speaker 4: like running down the stats and how the teams did.

2434
01:50:17,040 --> 01:50:18,160
Speaker 4: Like I mean, it's of course, it's part of it,

2435
01:50:18,160 --> 01:50:20,360
Speaker 4: and that's how everybody's judged. But there's so much more

2436
01:50:20,360 --> 01:50:22,160
Speaker 4: that goes into coaching that's interesting to me that we

2437
01:50:22,280 --> 01:50:23,760
Speaker 4: never see and that we you know.

2438
01:50:23,760 --> 01:50:24,120
Speaker 2: Judge it.

2439
01:50:24,200 --> 01:50:26,719
Speaker 4: But like, at the end of the day, he's the coach.

2440
01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:28,439
Speaker 4: The players have to go on the field and do

2441
01:50:28,520 --> 01:50:30,519
Speaker 4: the thing. So like, let's not lose.

2442
01:50:30,360 --> 01:50:32,760
Speaker 2: That for what it is for certain guys. I think

2443
01:50:32,800 --> 01:50:36,320
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick is the perfect coach, like your guy Rodney Harrison,

2444
01:50:37,000 --> 01:50:40,080
Speaker 2: Like that was the perfect marriage for those two. Like

2445
01:50:40,200 --> 01:50:44,000
Speaker 2: Rodney was no nonsense, We're here to work, you know,

2446
01:50:44,320 --> 01:50:46,960
Speaker 2: it's just us, no one's coming, you know, that type

2447
01:50:46,960 --> 01:50:49,400
Speaker 2: of thing, and you know, and Bill's a city you know,

2448
01:50:49,479 --> 01:50:52,640
Speaker 2: Bill was no nonsense and it's all about football, and

2449
01:50:53,360 --> 01:50:55,559
Speaker 2: they were a perfect match and the other guys like that.

2450
01:50:55,680 --> 01:50:57,479
Speaker 4: You know, I do wonder a part of that's generation

2451
01:50:57,520 --> 01:51:00,519
Speaker 4: all though, too, Like I just about it all the time,

2452
01:51:00,640 --> 01:51:03,040
Speaker 4: is they're like how many real killers And I don't

2453
01:51:03,080 --> 01:51:05,160
Speaker 4: mean to say this like killers killers, but like how

2454
01:51:05,160 --> 01:51:08,439
Speaker 4: many of those real tough as nails NFL players are

2455
01:51:08,439 --> 01:51:10,920
Speaker 4: there now like like that from the early two thousands

2456
01:51:10,960 --> 01:51:13,000
Speaker 4: when you went to every team and there's a Ray

2457
01:51:13,080 --> 01:51:15,599
Speaker 4: Lewis or you know, those kind of guys that are

2458
01:51:15,640 --> 01:51:18,000
Speaker 4: just absolute animals on the football field, and it's just

2459
01:51:18,240 --> 01:51:20,080
Speaker 4: it just doesn't seem as much different.

2460
01:51:20,200 --> 01:51:23,200
Speaker 11: Like, yeah, I also just think, like you know, all

2461
01:51:23,240 --> 01:51:28,360
Speaker 11: these offensive players, like they don't want to play the formula,

2462
01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:31,360
Speaker 11: like they don't want to play let's run the ball

2463
01:51:31,400 --> 01:51:33,639
Speaker 11: and let's possess it and let's not turn it over

2464
01:51:33,800 --> 01:51:37,080
Speaker 11: and let's like when yeah, right now, all these players

2465
01:51:37,080 --> 01:51:40,160
Speaker 11: come from the college game is wide open, like they

2466
01:51:40,240 --> 01:51:42,439
Speaker 11: just want to light up the scoreboard. That's all they

2467
01:51:42,520 --> 01:51:44,719
Speaker 11: want to do. And if you're not, if you're being

2468
01:51:44,760 --> 01:51:47,040
Speaker 11: told over and over and over again, no, we're going

2469
01:51:47,120 --> 01:51:49,640
Speaker 11: to do things like this way and that, like and

2470
01:51:49,680 --> 01:51:52,000
Speaker 11: you know that it's conservative and you know that it's

2471
01:51:52,000 --> 01:51:55,240
Speaker 11: not gonna score thirty points a game that that you

2472
01:51:55,360 --> 01:51:57,439
Speaker 11: kind of lose touch with that, right, Like the players

2473
01:51:57,479 --> 01:51:58,160
Speaker 11: don't buy in.

2474
01:51:58,200 --> 01:52:00,000
Speaker 2: And the only thing that appeases them if you're doing

2475
01:52:00,040 --> 01:52:02,479
Speaker 2: when that is if you're winning championships. Well at least

2476
01:52:02,479 --> 01:52:06,040
Speaker 2: I'm getting rings every year, you know, But when you're

2477
01:52:06,040 --> 01:52:08,720
Speaker 2: not it's that's a tough sell. Let's get through some

2478
01:52:08,760 --> 01:52:10,599
Speaker 2: of these phone calls as we wrap up the show.

2479
01:52:10,640 --> 01:52:12,639
Speaker 2: Eldred's in North Carolina. What's up, Eldred?

2480
01:52:15,680 --> 01:52:21,639
Speaker 21: Hello, ladies, Hey Deuce.

2481
01:52:22,680 --> 01:52:23,000
Speaker 9: Evan.

2482
01:52:23,640 --> 01:52:26,880
Speaker 21: Love what you're saying, Evan, But Deuce, it ain't the

2483
01:52:26,920 --> 01:52:30,240
Speaker 21: coaching part. It's the Dean excuse me, the GM part

2484
01:52:30,400 --> 01:52:34,120
Speaker 21: just killing us, you know, lack of talent and the persons.

2485
01:52:34,400 --> 01:52:36,479
Speaker 21: If I keep saying we're not there. There been a

2486
01:52:36,520 --> 01:52:38,400
Speaker 21: lot of people there that we could have got. You

2487
01:52:38,520 --> 01:52:42,599
Speaker 21: never got. Just think instead of getting Harry, you got

2488
01:52:42,640 --> 01:52:45,519
Speaker 21: a J. Brown or D. K. Brady probably been here

2489
01:52:45,560 --> 01:52:47,840
Speaker 21: for the last three years and then whatever. But that's that,

2490
01:52:48,439 --> 01:52:51,439
Speaker 21: you know, you got strange. You could have got ob

2491
01:52:51,520 --> 01:52:54,600
Speaker 21: Lake Watson or whoever. It is just the pit. You

2492
01:52:54,640 --> 01:52:57,479
Speaker 21: keep picking the same guy. And it's the talent level.

2493
01:52:57,680 --> 01:52:59,200
Speaker 21: Cause when you played, when you played some guy that

2494
01:52:59,240 --> 01:53:01,960
Speaker 21: you supposed to get and they run over you, that's

2495
01:53:02,000 --> 01:53:04,560
Speaker 21: a slap in the face too. And that's how we

2496
01:53:04,720 --> 01:53:07,240
Speaker 21: look at you know, we want the team competitive. We

2497
01:53:07,280 --> 01:53:09,720
Speaker 21: don't care. I don't care if they lose. Thirty to

2498
01:53:10,400 --> 01:53:13,439
Speaker 21: twenty five or thirty to eighteen. Is how you look

2499
01:53:13,479 --> 01:53:14,080
Speaker 21: when you're playing.

2500
01:53:15,240 --> 01:53:16,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, just the point.

2501
01:53:16,200 --> 01:53:18,840
Speaker 21: Yeah, you know that's what we have a problem with.

2502
01:53:19,080 --> 01:53:21,200
Speaker 21: Where I am. I don't know about nobody ill, but

2503
01:53:21,320 --> 01:53:21,680
Speaker 21: I am.

2504
01:53:21,880 --> 01:53:24,240
Speaker 2: No, I hear you. It's you know what what what

2505
01:53:24,280 --> 01:53:28,559
Speaker 2: does it look like? You know, watch the game? Like yeah, yeah,

2506
01:53:28,800 --> 01:53:30,280
Speaker 2: I know, I'm.

2507
01:53:30,120 --> 01:53:32,040
Speaker 21: The butt joke, the baby joke. I used to be

2508
01:53:32,400 --> 01:53:34,160
Speaker 21: give them the butt joke, but then I'm the.

2509
01:53:34,120 --> 01:53:35,840
Speaker 2: Butt Joey I have.

2510
01:53:36,240 --> 01:53:38,840
Speaker 21: But we're the tune up joke. We're the tune up games.

2511
01:53:38,960 --> 01:53:42,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, where they get right team? Yeah, that's the new

2512
01:53:42,120 --> 01:53:44,639
Speaker 2: T shirt. Get right with the Patriots?

2513
01:53:45,800 --> 01:53:48,080
Speaker 11: I said after that, I thought of you when they

2514
01:53:48,120 --> 01:53:51,639
Speaker 11: interviewed Derek Carr after the game and they're like, Derek,

2515
01:53:51,760 --> 01:53:54,400
Speaker 11: like you guys finally scored like a little bit on office,

2516
01:53:54,400 --> 01:53:56,080
Speaker 11: Like what went right to them? I'm like, friends, right,

2517
01:53:56,120 --> 01:53:57,400
Speaker 11: where the freaking get right game?

2518
01:53:57,520 --> 01:53:57,760
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2519
01:53:57,840 --> 01:54:00,439
Speaker 3: Like you know the Saints even got right works?

2520
01:54:00,520 --> 01:54:02,920
Speaker 1: Did you hear the answer? No, I'm not sure we

2521
01:54:02,920 --> 01:54:04,880
Speaker 1: should be overully excited about what we did today. We

2522
01:54:04,960 --> 01:54:06,519
Speaker 1: left a lot of points on the field. We had

2523
01:54:06,520 --> 01:54:08,840
Speaker 1: a ton of mistakes that they did. They had how

2524
01:54:08,920 --> 01:54:12,240
Speaker 1: many miss we stopped counting at like eleven penalties? Right, Yeah,

2525
01:54:12,280 --> 01:54:14,280
Speaker 1: I mean they It's like every time they had a

2526
01:54:14,280 --> 01:54:16,160
Speaker 1: third and three they turned it into a third and seven,

2527
01:54:16,600 --> 01:54:19,280
Speaker 1: you know whatever. Third and eight math always tough for me.

2528
01:54:20,200 --> 01:54:22,120
Speaker 4: To me, it was Dennis Allen just being like, Wow,

2529
01:54:22,240 --> 01:54:24,280
Speaker 4: it's been a long time since we played this well

2530
01:54:24,320 --> 01:54:25,839
Speaker 4: in all three three phases.

2531
01:54:26,120 --> 01:54:29,880
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Ken's in Providence? What's up? Ken?

2532
01:54:31,800 --> 01:54:32,280
Speaker 15: Ken?

2533
01:54:32,880 --> 01:54:34,160
Speaker 1: What twelve penalties?

2534
01:54:34,160 --> 01:54:39,760
Speaker 2: Probably for the sense, but uh, okay.

2535
01:54:39,720 --> 01:54:44,320
Speaker 15: My basic question is if you guys were the GM

2536
01:54:44,720 --> 01:54:47,360
Speaker 15: and you have the top ten pick and you're the

2537
01:54:47,360 --> 01:54:53,040
Speaker 15: Patriots and we're not going with Bill next year, what

2538
01:54:53,080 --> 01:54:55,240
Speaker 15: are we doing? Are we taking a tackle? Are we

2539
01:54:55,280 --> 01:54:56,360
Speaker 15: taking a quarterback?

2540
01:54:56,760 --> 01:55:00,640
Speaker 2: Oh? I'm doing whatever I can to get a quarter Yeah, whoever,

2541
01:55:00,760 --> 01:55:03,160
Speaker 2: I like, I'm doing whatever I can to get them.

2542
01:55:03,400 --> 01:55:06,280
Speaker 1: And I'm not sitting wherever I am and hoping that

2543
01:55:06,400 --> 01:55:09,440
Speaker 1: one falls to me. I'm going to get the quarterback

2544
01:55:09,480 --> 01:55:10,920
Speaker 1: that I want. I'm going to move and if I

2545
01:55:10,920 --> 01:55:12,400
Speaker 1: can't do it, I can't do it, but I'm going

2546
01:55:12,480 --> 01:55:13,240
Speaker 1: to die try it.

2547
01:55:13,320 --> 01:55:13,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2548
01:55:13,680 --> 01:55:15,800
Speaker 3: His name is Drake. May know the name.

2549
01:55:15,920 --> 01:55:17,720
Speaker 2: So you like him more than Caleb Williams.

2550
01:55:17,720 --> 01:55:20,800
Speaker 3: No, but Caleb Williams is one okay? Yeah?

2551
01:55:20,920 --> 01:55:23,680
Speaker 1: Right? But if like it's Carolina and they're not going

2552
01:55:23,760 --> 01:55:25,160
Speaker 1: to take him, They're going to trade it.

2553
01:55:25,280 --> 01:55:27,240
Speaker 3: So I want to BELA doesn't have their pick the

2554
01:55:27,240 --> 01:55:27,680
Speaker 3: Bears have.

2555
01:55:28,080 --> 01:55:28,480
Speaker 6: Is that right?

2556
01:55:28,600 --> 01:55:29,760
Speaker 3: The Bears have their pack, that's right.

2557
01:55:29,880 --> 01:55:33,000
Speaker 9: Yeah, the Bears drafting a quarterback.

2558
01:55:36,040 --> 01:55:38,440
Speaker 1: The Bears could draft a quarterback. Carolina wouldn't, but I

2559
01:55:38,480 --> 01:55:39,320
Speaker 1: forgot about that.

2560
01:55:39,440 --> 01:55:42,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know in general, that's right.

2561
01:55:42,600 --> 01:55:45,320
Speaker 11: You're if the Bears are either going to take Caleb

2562
01:55:45,360 --> 01:55:48,360
Speaker 11: Williams or they're going to sell that pick for an

2563
01:55:48,400 --> 01:55:49,440
Speaker 11: absolute boatload.

2564
01:55:49,520 --> 01:55:52,520
Speaker 1: And I want it to be me. Okay, I want May.

2565
01:55:54,040 --> 01:55:55,920
Speaker 11: If it's not Caleb Williams, I want it to be May.

2566
01:55:56,160 --> 01:55:59,440
Speaker 1: I like Drake May too, but I'm not like one

2567
01:55:59,440 --> 01:55:59,920
Speaker 1: more call it.

2568
01:56:00,040 --> 01:56:03,200
Speaker 2: Let's go to Dan and Daytona. What's Up's online?

2569
01:56:04,120 --> 01:56:04,640
Speaker 4: Damn it?

2570
01:56:06,200 --> 01:56:13,640
Speaker 2: Okay? Sorry Dan? I know, but this is this is

2571
01:56:13,720 --> 01:56:17,240
Speaker 2: Radio America during World War two. The Allies have acrossed

2572
01:56:17,240 --> 01:56:18,880
Speaker 2: the border and there I.

2573
01:56:18,840 --> 01:56:21,080
Speaker 9: Think that the previous person was trying to tell you

2574
01:56:21,120 --> 01:56:23,200
Speaker 9: his name was Tim, not Ken.

2575
01:56:23,280 --> 01:56:26,760
Speaker 2: My name is Tim can in Providence. Yeah, it's clearly

2576
01:56:26,800 --> 01:56:27,879
Speaker 2: said Canon Providence.

2577
01:56:28,320 --> 01:56:30,320
Speaker 9: But he was saying, compete their names back to them.

2578
01:56:30,360 --> 01:56:31,600
Speaker 4: So do you understand what island?

2579
01:56:31,880 --> 01:56:35,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? Rhode Island has a funny accents. It's you ever

2580
01:56:35,240 --> 01:56:36,960
Speaker 2: notice that a lot of people in Rhode Island kind

2581
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Speaker 2: of have a New York accent. A little bit New

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Speaker 2: York and Boston wop together. Is that right? Opp? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: If you say that, all right, let's see. I guess

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Speaker 2: that'll be it.

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Speaker 4: Sure?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Whatever? Do you have a meeting?

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Speaker 2: Always? Always all right? So thanks everyone again. Millions of emails,

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Speaker 2: we only got to some of them. I appreciate you

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Speaker 2: emailing in and engaging with the show. That's what makes

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Speaker 2: the show special. I think we read emails are even

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Speaker 2: convinced hearty of that he did.

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Speaker 4: Create Yeah, Turn to Leave, Turn to Leave.

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Speaker 1: He turned it into dinner theater.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was great. All right. We will see

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