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Speaker 1: This is really cool. Jeff Kent finds out that he

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Speaker 1: is a Hall of Famer hours later, joining us right

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Speaker 1: now on foul Territory. Jeff, congratulations, like honor, long long,

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Speaker 1: long overdue. I've been one of those guys every job

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Speaker 1: I've been at MLB Network, here, whatever, So this was

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Speaker 1: really cool for me to see. What was it like

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Speaker 2: Overwhelming because you know I had left the game, you know,

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Speaker 2: I being on the ballot for ten years and you know,

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Speaker 2: being about in the middle pack, you know, I kind

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Speaker 2: of understood the math, and you know, I'm more of

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Speaker 2: you know, okay, it's not in the works. You know,

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Speaker 2: the arguments aren't good enough. That's fine, So I let

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Speaker 2: the game go. And the game has come rushing back

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Speaker 2: in a fast way. You know, the anticipation of this

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Speaker 2: wasn't there for me because I wasn't thinking about it,

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Speaker 2: didn't talk about it much. Agent mentioned it to me

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Speaker 2: a couple of days before happened. You said you better

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Speaker 2: so we're out at the ranch hunting and fishing and

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Speaker 2: It wasn't a watch party, and uh, you know, the

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Speaker 2: call had come in and unprepared, that emotion just hits.

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Speaker 2: And let me tell you, you know, the fire extinguishers

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Speaker 3: I just don't know why it took so long. I'll

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Speaker 4: I fight.

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Speaker 3: I've been fighting for you for years. Thank you every

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Speaker 3: time the Hall of Fame boat comes up, all time

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Speaker 3: leader and home runs for a second baseman, you got

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Speaker 3: a World Series, you got an MVP, Like what else

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Speaker 3: you have to do? I just can't figure out how

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Speaker 3: it took so long. Yeah, Like to me, if I

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Speaker 3: look at I'm looking at your stats right now as

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Speaker 3: the second baseman to throw up these numbers? What took

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Speaker 3: so long? And I know you said you never thought

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Speaker 2: To some of these people, Well, I'm grateful for guys

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Speaker 2: like you. Both. You guys have arguing and debating about

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Speaker 2: that to keep me in the in the mix of

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Speaker 2: of an argument, you know, but I think if you know,

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Speaker 2: and I haven't answered it this way yet, but but

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Speaker 2: you've reminded me of something, is is I think too

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Speaker 2: much of what the Hall of Fame or or or

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Speaker 2: the media has done or the arguments have been, is

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Speaker 2: we try to compare my era to guys like Ryan

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Speaker 2: Sandberg total different area or Joe Morgan and I and

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Speaker 2: I kept hearing about, well Jeff Kent doesn't match up

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Speaker 2: to Joe Morgan in this category. Well, how we played

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Speaker 2: in different stadiums with the game was played differently, you know,

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Speaker 2: you played a long time, so you so for me,

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Speaker 2: the money lies in the RBIs was my mantra run produce.

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Speaker 2: You want to get paid, you.

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Speaker 3: You got you gotta drive in runs.

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Speaker 2: You got to produce runs. You got to drive in runs,

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Speaker 2: and you gotta score runs and and so so that's

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Speaker 2: kind of how my game was patterned. Is that's how

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Speaker 2: it where And I'm and I'm grateful that now that

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Speaker 2: you know, people compare me to my era and I

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Speaker 2: the best guy I believe that.

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Speaker 1: Diferent.

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Speaker 2: I believed that was the best second basement in my era,

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Speaker 2: and I always wanted to be but it was I

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Speaker 2: so we could win, and and and all. That's kind

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Speaker 3: I love it. Yeah, I'm I'm just happy for him.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm happy because when I saw who was

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Speaker 3: on this ballot, and I'll fight to the death. You

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Speaker 3: played with Barry, and I played with Barry for a year,

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Speaker 3: best hitter I ever saw to me, love him or

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Speaker 3: absolute joke. Clemens not in you know, Clemens, absolute joke,

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Speaker 2: All run guy, Well, you're right. I played with Barry

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Speaker 2: He played well, I played well. He played a lot

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Speaker 2: Roger Clemens. He was that son of a bitch, was

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Speaker 2: has lost, even with Murph and Mattingly too, and those

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Speaker 2: guys Murph ought to be here. Baseball has lost a

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Speaker 2: guys knowing that they were that great ought to be there.

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Speaker 2: the museum has lost some of those players and you know,

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Speaker 2: Barry and Roger you know, may get lost, but you

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Speaker 2: know whether they're in or not. You know that's that's

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Speaker 2: not my choice. Brother.

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Speaker 1: Were you surprised that you saw your name? You get

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you're asking me another question I haven't answered.

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Speaker 2: holy crap, you got to be kidding me. More guys

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Speaker 2: But uh, unbelievable that that it happened. And I got

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Speaker 3: You didn't tell.

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Speaker 2: Anybody I TV. I grabbed the wife while I'm crying

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Speaker 2: So talk to her for two three minutes. Uh, Jane

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Speaker 3: G How long of a timeframe are we talked? They

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Speaker 3: so who called you? Jane?

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Speaker 2: Jane did, yeah, so how long like it say?

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Speaker 3: She called you at six o'clock? And then it was right,

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Speaker 2: It was right before six, yeah, right before six. And

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Speaker 3: Game down there?

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Speaker 2: Dad?

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Speaker 1: This is my boy.

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Speaker 2: This is my twenty one year old's twenty two year

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I could have kept that one in.

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Speaker 1: That was well played.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I could have kept that one

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Speaker 2: Well it was, uh, let me tell you, it was

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Speaker 2: And so so I kind of I was kind of

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Speaker 4: That's what That's what I did.

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Speaker 2: When I afterwards, I said, I hugged him. I said,

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Speaker 1: Right, all right?

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Speaker 3: So I got asked the question what team Giants?

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Speaker 2: Well, for me, you know, I'm not picking, but I

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Speaker 3: Talked about this today, But so you were on Blue

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Speaker 3: It's better, It's better than you think. No, I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: That's really good. Well, Jeff, we really appreciate you stopping by. Congratulations.

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Speaker 1: Hey, the Giants, the ballot was packed, all this stuff.

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Speaker 2: Being baseball man. Thanks for what you guys do for

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Speaker 1: Thank you. That's on on Derek and then what that's

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Speaker 6: Honestly, I look, he was a really good candidate in

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Speaker 4: Basically looked for how do I improve myself?

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Speaker 6: And he's talking to Ben Cherington about this, he's talking

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Speaker 1: It's funny. This is going to be the great transition

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Speaker 3: Right, Sean Harlan Twins legend, what's up?

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Speaker 6: So I think that they've been saying that but didn't

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Speaker 6: But basically, Derrek Falby went in saying, I would like

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Speaker 7: All the trade, everything it revolves around Byron Buxton. Yes,

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Speaker 6: I think that he wants to know that they're not

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Speaker 1: When they won the division. They're good at finding these guys.

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Speaker 6: I think there's enough to still operate and make Byron

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Speaker 1: Essentially, they need young players. You know this, you.

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Speaker 6: Were there for it all. It's just twenty years later,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, ranked that I think it's Fangrafts.

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Speaker 3: Okay, because I was I never heard anyone say that

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the projections came out there today and Fangrafts had

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Speaker 3: I mean wow, even without doing anything, without doing that's no.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm surprised I didn't get traded, Like, I trust.

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Speaker 3: Me, he tried. Nobody wanted you that was the problem.

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Speaker 6: Definitely, the projection systems are always a little off, and

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Speaker 6: couple of times. They have an entirely new coaching staff.

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Speaker 6: They have major leaguers on the coaching staff. It's gonna

439
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Speaker 6: be a very interesting mix. You know, Grady Size more,

440
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Speaker 6: LaTroy Hawkins. It's it's gonna be. They need to sell

441
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Speaker 6: some hope, I think, is really what this is coming

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Speaker 6: down to you. If you trade Joe Ryan right now now, granted,

443
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Speaker 6: if you trade Joe Ryan and got multiple major league

444
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Speaker 6: pieces back, that's one thing. If you if you made

445
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Speaker 6: the Matt Williams trade and got Jeff Kent and Jose

446
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Speaker 6: Vizcaino back.

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Speaker 1: Like you know that, that's a like a one.

448
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Speaker 3: In a million. But can they compete with what they have?

449
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Speaker 3: I know, eighty two and eighty, but can they really

450
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Speaker 3: compete with what they have? I mean yeah, So basically

451
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Speaker 3: the reason they're not tearing it down is because of

452
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Speaker 3: the division. They're right, and they believe that if with

453
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Speaker 3: a couple of pieces out it, they can win this division.

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Speaker 3: But then my next question is somebody that I do

455
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Speaker 3: like the Twins. I like the organization. There's still a

456
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Speaker 3: million people that I know from when I was there

457
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Speaker 3: twenty five years ago. But my question is is that

458
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Speaker 3: enough competing and then getting in right because let's say

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Speaker 3: it doesn't go right, Yeah, and then it gets to

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Speaker 3: July again, they trade ten more guys. Like the fans

461
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Speaker 3: are as you know, are already on kind of edge.

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Speaker 1: Oh they are. That's exactly what's going to happen. Though,

463
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Speaker 1: by the way, if it doesn't go right, they'll do

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Speaker 1: it again. That's I think that's a plan.

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Speaker 6: Like you sell the idea that you you can't just

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Speaker 6: get out right now.

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Speaker 4: Your your ticket base is already very low as it is.

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Speaker 6: If you tell them right now you're trading Joe Ryan

469
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Speaker 6: and Pablo Lopez and especially Byron Buckson, especially when Barron

470
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Speaker 6: Buckson Twin for life, you're going to decimate that fan base.

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Speaker 4: So you go in, you take a shot at it, because.

472
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Speaker 6: The centrals win, and if you're in a good spot,

473
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Speaker 6: they have a really good farm system with it. They're

474
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Speaker 6: loaded with outfielders, with young outfielders at Triple A and

475
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Speaker 6: Double A like there's talent to move around if you're

476
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Speaker 6: in a position to win. But I just don't know

477
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Speaker 6: how you could just crush the fans again before the

478
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Speaker 6: season even starts, so knowing that you can win the division, like,

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Speaker 6: I guess that that this motivation. I mean, look, two

480
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Speaker 6: years ago fans were so high off of beating Toronto

481
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Speaker 6: and winning the first playoff game or first playoff game.

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Speaker 1: And since two thousand and.

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Speaker 6: Four series, since you guys beat the A's like and

484
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Speaker 6: then end. Yes, I have quoted you on that, but

485
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Speaker 6: the you know, I mean, you think about it and

486
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Speaker 6: it's it's doable, but it's just a lot of work

487
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Speaker 6: and a lot of things have to go right, and

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Speaker 6: so you kind of have you realize how risky it is.

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Speaker 3: I just don't know. It's got I don't know. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I love Shelton. I've known Sheldon forever.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, way, what do you.

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Speaker 1: Want when you say I don't know?

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Speaker 3: I just they're not going to.

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Speaker 1: Dollars pay I would because that's not it's not happ

495
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Speaker 1: serve that at some point the Q score in Minnesota

496
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Speaker 1: for the Twins is about as low as it's ever

497
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Speaker 1: been right now because of everything.

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Speaker 3: He just talked about but I would love for them.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I know they got Korea.

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Speaker 1: The fans. He told that the fans he was selling

501
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Speaker 1: and they were like, thank god, it's been decades of this.

502
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Speaker 1: And then he said, just kidding, I'm actually the right guy.

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Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. That's the worst.

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Speaker 3: Thing you could actually actually didn't it go we're selling,

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Speaker 3: but we want Joe to still have a job.

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Speaker 6: And then no, no, okay, Joe wanted to oversee the transition.

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Speaker 6: I think there was a little bit of a message

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Speaker 6: mixed up.

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Speaker 1: I think we were freaking out of that.

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Speaker 4: Of course, stay on, we're talking about Joe.

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Speaker 6: But of course now they're selling a portion of the

512
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Speaker 6: team and he is staying on, so like he is

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Speaker 6: going to get to be the control guy.

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Speaker 1: This is a sweet deal.

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Speaker 4: How long, right? I think didn't they just sell down

516
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Speaker 4: their death though?

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Speaker 3: Really?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 6: And I think this is something to make the team

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Speaker 6: more attractive in two years.

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Speaker 1: I look, you're you're looking at right now.

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Speaker 6: They had five hundred million dollars debt or four hundred

523
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Speaker 6: and four point thirty, but we're talking about like interest

524
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Speaker 6: on that was somewhere around forty to fifty million dollars

525
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Speaker 6: a year. People were wondering where the debt comes from.

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Speaker 6: Two or three years ago, they were looking at they

527
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Speaker 6: were going into twenty twenty, they were looking at two

528
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Speaker 6: point three million tickets sold. They'd sold that the year before.

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Speaker 6: The pandemic happens. They just brought in Josh Johnson. No fans,

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Speaker 6: No think about all that lost revenue. The Washington Nationals

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Speaker 6: had the same exact thing happened to them. They had

532
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Speaker 6: won the World Series. They were looking for a big

533
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Speaker 6: business here. The Twins somehow kept all their employees. They

534
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Speaker 6: didn't furlough anybody. They cost themselves a ton of money

535
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Speaker 6: that way. Twenty twenty one was terrible. They drew one

536
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Speaker 6: point three million fans. Twenty twenty two was one point eight.

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Speaker 6: They get Korea doesn't resonate with the fans.

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Speaker 1: Wait, I need to bast forward this because then in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, it's magical they still in a playoff series.

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Speaker 1: And then what do they do rug the fans? I know, right,

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Speaker 1: they saved by cutting some budget in that narrative could

542
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Speaker 1: have been reversed. It was maket sales and potentially success

543
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Speaker 1: on the field. That's the part the messaging. The pull

544
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Speaker 1: out has no feel for how to run an operation.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you that's it's a no brainer kind of thing.

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Speaker 6: I mean that messaging, the timing of it was so

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Speaker 6: rough for them, and I think if they could do

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Speaker 6: it again.

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Speaker 4: You know, Look, they lost their their TV deal that year.

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Speaker 6: Like they went from sixty million guaranteed, which was in

551
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Speaker 6: baseball terms, a horrible TV deal compared to all these

552
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Speaker 6: other teams. They were the one that's I think one

553
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Speaker 6: or two as far as the worst and TV. And

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Speaker 6: now they're on MLB TV and I there's no way

555
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Speaker 6: they're making even sixty million.

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Speaker 1: So they knew what was coming.

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Speaker 6: They had to cut payroll at some point in this

558
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Speaker 6: you're paying money to get target field every year. I

559
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Speaker 6: think that the twenty five million is their rent there.

560
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Speaker 6: They're paying interest on the debt. So before you've thrown

561
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Speaker 6: a pitch, you're your fifty or sixty five million in

562
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Speaker 6: the hole right there.

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Speaker 3: Leg but you can leg.

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Speaker 1: And also that we can make that actually the whole organ.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think there's a whole players association that would

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Speaker 6: love to see those bus yes tell yeah, but you know,

567
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Speaker 6: I mean you look at it and so you can

568
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Speaker 6: understand maybe why they felt they needed to do that,

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Speaker 6: but the timing of it was just terrible. It took,

570
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Speaker 6: like you said, it pulled the royout from under fans

571
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Speaker 6: who were so excited and it's just been two years

572
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Speaker 6: of misery since.

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Speaker 1: So last thing here, and just give me a thumbs

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Speaker 1: up or down. Do any of the three that we

575
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Speaker 1: started this conversation off with actually get traded or do

576
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Speaker 1: you agree with what Ken's hearing right? Which that can change,

577
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Speaker 1: But do you think opening day those three right and

578
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Speaker 1: Lopez Buxton are on the Twins Because for our audience,

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Speaker 1: national audience, they want to know if any of their

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Speaker 1: teams can acquire those guys. So this is a big answer.

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Speaker 6: Okay, the only way that they're not is if the

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Speaker 6: Twins get a deal that improves them immediately, where you

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Speaker 6: trade Joe Ryan and you get two and a half

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Speaker 6: major leaguers and another guy something like that.

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Speaker 1: They're not going to tear down.

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Speaker 6: That's my belief. They're not going to tear down at

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Speaker 6: this point. If they traded Joe Ryan, it would have

588
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Speaker 6: to be to get healthier, which Joe Ryan is the

589
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Speaker 6: type of player that could get you healthier because of

590
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Speaker 6: the desire to a frontline starting pitcher like that, So

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Speaker 6: I could see that, but I think that that's the

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Speaker 6: kind of the caveat they if they can't get better,

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Speaker 6: they'll they'll try to find free agent bargains. Maybe they

594
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Speaker 6: trade you know, Bailey Ober, maybe they trade Trevor Larnick

595
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Speaker 6: guys like that.

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Speaker 1: And shift money around.

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Speaker 6: But I truly think they probably won't get that deal

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Speaker 6: for Joe and then go forward with this group.

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Speaker 1: Got it? Okay, Dan, Good to see you. Appreciate you, guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's Dan Hayes. You can follow all of his work

601
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Speaker 1: Twitter and also including the great articles in The Athletic

602
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Speaker 1: that finds are a hot number right now, maybe about

603
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Speaker 1: the Fizzle. If their guys aren't available, hey we're back side.

604
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Speaker 1: If Sharma is here, and you can check out all

605
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Speaker 1: of his work in the Athletic covering the Cubs, and

606
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Speaker 1: you can listen to him on Northside Territory all the

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Speaker 1: time with Patrick Mooney. Good to see you, I see you, guys.

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Speaker 1: Let's get right into Baz. You've been writing and talking

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Speaker 1: about how the Hubs might dance. What do you always

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Speaker 1: like to say? You say, kiddie pool, So then what's

611
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Speaker 1: the opposite of that? Deepend deepend maybe be participating in

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Speaker 1: the deep end this year for free agents and maybe

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Speaker 1: signings as well. Can you elaborate on that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean they're interested in Alex Bregman right now?

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Speaker 5: What's what's the market for Alex Bregman. It's kind of

616
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Speaker 5: the same as it was last year, at least the

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Speaker 5: finalists of last year, Boston, Detroit and the Cubs. Detroit

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Speaker 5: is similar to the Cubs in the sense that they

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Speaker 5: don't seem to want to be super aggressive and and

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Speaker 5: just like blow out their their budget for a big

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Speaker 5: name guy. That's that's kind of like what they've done

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Speaker 5: the past couple of years, right, and the Cubs have

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Speaker 5: done that at touch they're completely different.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's just the Cubs and the Tigers. That's what

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Speaker 3: you're comparing.

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Speaker 5: Well, Oh, I mean this is not my This is

627
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Speaker 5: not me endorsing that.

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Speaker 3: That's like six seven.

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Speaker 4: Those are not I don't even nobody even knows what

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Speaker 4: you means.

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Speaker 5: Those are the behaviors of those Yeah, Scott Harris.

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Speaker 3: Did come from the Cubs. That's where you learned it from. Yeah,

633
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Speaker 3: let's go Cubs.

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 5: I think what they're looking for here is for Boston

636
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Speaker 5: to end up with another bat that's not Alex Bregman.

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Speaker 5: That happens and suddenly the market collapses for Bregman and

638
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Speaker 5: you're in like.

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Speaker 4: A two team race with Detroit.

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Speaker 5: And I think I could see the Cubs, you know,

641
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Speaker 5: ending up with Bregman. That's the position player side. Their

642
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Speaker 5: priorities pitching. They're going to add pitching. Whether it's one

643
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Speaker 5: name I haven't heard with them is Framber Valdez, and

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Speaker 5: I believe that's an age related thing. He's over thirty.

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Speaker 5: That's going to be a top tier contract. I don't

646
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Speaker 5: think they want to give that contract to a guy

647
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Speaker 5: at that age, but he fits perfectly for the Cubs.

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Speaker 1: That's the type of picture you'd love to see.

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Speaker 5: A postseason history gets the ball on the ground, does

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Speaker 5: get swing and miss two with that defense, Framber Valdez,

651
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Speaker 5: I feel like.

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Speaker 4: Would be a stud. He already is a stud, but

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Speaker 4: like even better. Uh.

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Speaker 5: I just don't. I don't think that's the direction they're going.

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Speaker 5: They were in on cease. I think that's the most

656
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Speaker 5: frustrating thing for fans to hear they were in. They

657
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 5: were they were at Yeah, they were bidding on that guy,

658
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 5: but they obviously didn't spend enough or or put enough

659
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 5: money on the table for him.

660
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 4: Sure, I think it's am.

661
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 5: I, it's match Gallen and and Michael King.

662
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 4: Those are the three names that I have heard the most.

663
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 5: They haven't put the full court pressure on King just yet,

664
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 5: but I do think that's it's kind of like playing games,

665
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 5: trying to wait to see where that market goes. Uh

666
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 5: those but I would expect one of those three to

667
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 5: be a cup And I think that's you know, is

668
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 5: this the what you want to see from the Cubs

669
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 5: in the sense that, you know, going after Kyle Tucker,

670
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 5: going after Dylan sing after I know, but I'm saying

671
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 5: free agency, going after the very top of free agency.

672
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 5: I don't think they're they're doing that, but I am

673
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 5: getting more feedback that, Look, the Cubs are doing a

674
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 5: better job at least engaging on the top of the

675
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 5: market than they were.

676
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: In previous years.

677
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 4: They weren't.

678
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 5: They were just skipping that part of free agency outside

679
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 5: of like you know, being in and I'm using quotes

680
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 5: here uh on on Shoheo Tani which seemed like Fata

681
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 5: compley right that they just haven't been there since. Really

682
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 5: they signed Darvish and I guess, you know, I should

683
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 5: give them credit for getting Dancy Swanson, but that was

684
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 5: a crazy shortstop off season. So it's just they're they're

685
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 5: They're not the Mets, they're not the Yankees, they're not

686
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 5: the Dodgers.

687
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 4: The way they behave, I agree with AJ.

688
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 5: I'd love to see them behave in that manner, much

689
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 5: more fun, I think, yeah, But I think that you know,

690
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 5: they're at least making a little bit more noise and

691
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 5: a little more engaged than they had been in the

692
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 5: in previous winters.

693
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 7: What's are those three lines up in all the Cubs

694
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 7: ringam a row of well, we don't want too old,

695
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 7: we don't want some way, we want this, we don't

696
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 7: want to spend too much, not to long. So is

697
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 7: it Gallon am I? Or is it Michael King?

698
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: I think Michael King's a great fit.

699
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 5: Michael King is someone that I think fits in, would

700
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 5: would fit in with that clubhouse.

701
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: I think his.

702
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 5: Upside is that of pretty much you know, is he

703
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 5: is he an ace? I don't know if he could

704
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 5: say that just yet. He doesn't have the with his

705
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 5: injury history, I think that's the main concern. But I

706
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 5: think what he brings his upside, and they have a

707
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 5: plan to keep him healthy. I think that's something that's

708
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 5: really important. They believe they can. They have seen some

709
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 5: things with his delivery that have led to these injuries,

710
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 5: and they can kind of minimize that risk and kind

711
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 5: of get him to that point where he looked like

712
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 5: a one or two when he was at his best

713
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 5: with the Yankees and the and the Padres, and and

714
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 5: kind of keep that extended for more than half a

715
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 5: season or just one season. They could give him a

716
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 5: three or four year deal and hope for the majority

717
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 5: of that he's pitching at a really high level. I

718
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 5: think he's one of, like arguably the best fit. I

719
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 5: just don't know what exactly they think of him. I

720
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 5: I think an opinion across the league is split on

721
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 5: of my eye, but he has There are some people

722
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 5: you talk to and say, this guy has ace upside.

723
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 5: There are some people you talk to and they say,

724
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 5: I don't like the fastball and the breaking ball isn't

725
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 5: that impressive. I don't think it'll get major league hitters

726
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 5: out as consistently as other, you know, top of the

727
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 5: rotation guys, and I think that's nitpicking. And when you

728
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 5: get to nine figure deals. I think that's what front

729
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 5: offices do they nitpick, and I think, what do you

730
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 5: think he is?

731
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 4: Is he an ace? Or is he a three?

732
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 5: And that's where if the bidding gets to one twenty

733
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 5: one fifty for am I, then suddenly I think the

734
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 5: Cubs are asking a little more questions about him and

735
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 5: really digging in and saying, do we like the characteristics

736
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 5: of all these pitches? Clearly, clearly he's a high level pitcher,

737
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 5: and I think they they'd be getting an obvious rotation upgrade.

738
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: Do they want to spend that type of money.

739
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 5: That's why I think between those two that's where I

740
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 5: really look. It's it's am I or or or King,

741
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 5: And King's the guy that I go back to.

742
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 3: All and they said there was a question about Amanaga too,

743
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 3: and he's been okay. First year was good, and the

744
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 3: last year obviously first sure he was really good. Yeah,

745
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 3: I think the same questions were there for him. So

746
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's all what you believe. No one

747
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 3: else really believed Demaga was gonna be great, and first

748
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 3: year he was unbelievable, So it's kind of like peger

749
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 3: tails and what do you mean? But my question is

750
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 3: position player. So Kyle Tucker's not coming back. They pretty

751
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 3: much said that you go on trade for him, You

752
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 3: make the trade with cam Smith and parades and all

753
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 3: that and make that move. But what's next for them?

754
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 3: Because you have Dans, We obviously have Nico. Yeah, you

755
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 3: have Bush at first right, you have a catcher, you

756
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 3: have the outfield pretty much set, probably Musa to right field,

757
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 3: say it back to rightfield. But so what do they

758
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 3: go and get? What do they need third base?

759
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 4: Yeah?

760
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 5: I think, I mean, but they have Shaw. They like

761
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 5: to improved the second half by Asteros. Is you know

762
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 5: he got I guess you could see the d Yeah.

763
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 5: I think you're gonna see a lot of him. I

764
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 5: think you're gonna see a lot of Casey. I don't

765
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 5: think they're gonna go out out and get other than Bregman,

766
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,719
Speaker 5: who they are absolutely interested in.

767
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,959
Speaker 4: I don't think they're desperate for offense.

768
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 5: I think they want to get their younger players more

769
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 5: regular playing time. I think they want to see Casey

770
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 5: out there. They they liked what they saw offered by

771
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 5: a Seros. I think they were a little bothered at

772
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 5: what's the you know, disappointed. I guess that Casey Casey

773
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 5: got hurt right before he was going to get a

774
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 5: ton of playing time. He got a concussion, and that

775
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 5: was I think that was something that they wanted to

776
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 5: see an extended run for him, see what he could

777
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 5: do with regular playing time. Bia Sarius got that regular

778
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 5: playing time, took off and was on the playoff roster.

779
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 5: He wasn't impactful in the playoffs because they had kind

780
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 5: of a set lineup and they weren't going to force

781
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 5: him into the lineup. But he he had he had

782
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 5: some in bats and he had impacted some games and

783
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,919
Speaker 5: you kind of saw, oh, that's what this guy can do.

784
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 4: So guy, Yeah, I don't love the idea of this

785
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 4: prospects and go get what you need.

786
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think that's an option. I do

787
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 5: think there are some trade candidates out there. There's a

788
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 5: lot of pitching available by a trade, and I think

789
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 5: they will listen and explore that. Mackenzie Gore, Edward Cabrera,

790
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 5: those are some names that I've heard that they were

791
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 5: certainly in on them at the deadline, and I think

792
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 5: they're gonna revisit that. I think the trade rumors kind

793
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 5: of slowed for a while. I heard that it's gonna

794
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 5: pick up this week. I think we're gonna hear some rumors.

795
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 5: I think we're gonna hear some things, and I expect

796
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 5: the Cubs to be involved in that, how aggressively.

797
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 4: Who they get That's.

798
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 5: That's I think the question that I don't have an

799
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 5: answer to yet, but they will. I'm almost sure they'll

800
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 5: engage again on the TRADEMARKT and those are two names

801
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 5: that I have heard.

802
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 7: The Shoa, the Shoda. Rumors that the Cubs actually didn't

803
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,720
Speaker 7: want him to accept the qualifying offer.

804
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 4: Do you know?

805
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 7: Are they true or are they not true? I have

806
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 7: a hard time believing it. But you're more of the

807
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 7: you know more of the Cubs than we do.

808
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 5: I wouldn't say they didn't want him to accept it.

809
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 5: I think they were preparing for a situation where he

810
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 5: wouldn't accept it, and they had kind of gotten wrapped

811
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 5: their minds around that. Here is how we attacked the

812
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 5: offseason without showed him Managa. I know he had some

813
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 5: really bad outings and he didn't pitch Game five of

814
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 5: the NLDS at all, and that says a lot. I

815
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 5: just don't think they were happy with where he was.

816
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 5: They they weren't in a place where they could trust him.

817
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 5: And you listen to Greig Council talk about this guy,

818
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 5: especially when he was at his best. He absolutely has

819
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 5: a ton of faith in showed to him Anaga. It's

820
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 5: about getting him back to that spot. And I really

821
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 5: think the hamstring issue just threw him off his game.

822
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 5: His arm slot was off, his vela was down a

823
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 5: tick or two, and look, he's the type of guy

824
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 5: that isn't throwing ninety five plus, so that a ticker

825
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 5: two is gonna throw everything off because he's all about

826
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 5: command and we knew he was gonna have home run

827
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 5: issues and that I think the tick or two down

828
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 5: led to the home run issues being exacerbated, and it

829
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 5: just it was a real issue at the end of

830
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 5: the season, especially when they weren't solo home runs. You

831
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 5: could that. I believe it was Game two of the NLDS.

832
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 5: They jumped out to that three to nothing lead and

833
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 5: to have it just go away immediately and because of

834
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 5: home run issues by shadow Managa, I think that that

835
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 5: was a major issue and they're gonna work on it,

836
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 5: and that there's no doubt that they have the infrastructure

837
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 5: in place and that he has the work ethic to

838
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 5: get things right. So I don't think they're disappointed. I

839
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 5: think they It would be more that they weren't one

840
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 5: hundred percent sure that he'd accept it. They and they were,

841
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 5: and they were preparing for reality without without him, and

842
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 5: had kind of gotten to the point where they thought,

843
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 5: here's what we can do, here's how we can spend

844
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 5: that money. And now he's back and they're gonna work

845
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 5: with him, and I think they it's a it's a

846
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 5: good relationship, so he could thrive once again with the Cubs.

847
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 3: It's funny to me, though, span Matthew Boyd on the

848
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 3: other day and he pitched on short rest. Yeah, how

849
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 3: team like the Cubs And I listen, I know, uh

850
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 3: I just the ready uh rookie of your jeeves. Oh Horton,

851
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 3: Kate Horton. Kate Horton got hurt, so they were missing him.

852
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 3: But how do the Cubs not have enough depth to

853
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 3: not throw a guy on short rest after they only

854
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 3: played three games? And you know, they played three games

855
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 3: in the wild card, won him and then they have

856
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 3: to bring Matthew Boyd. But like they didn't have anyone else,

857
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 3: you know, I think there had to be someone they

858
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 3: could have.

859
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 5: You could make the argument, and the way he pitched

860
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 5: in the playoffs, Colin Ray, you could have absolutely made

861
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 5: that argument.

862
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: I think, you know, some people.

863
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 5: Would have said, Hey, add Javier Asad back to the roster,

864
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 5: the playoff roster, and have him start that game. I

865
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 5: think they consider those options and felt Matthew Boyd on

866
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 5: short rest was the best option. But I think this

867
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 5: goes to what their plan is this offseason. I think

868
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 5: they agree with you that they did not have a

869
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 5: pitching kid. Horton was awesome. I think he's on the press.

870
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I could talk about him for

871
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: a while.

872
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 5: I think he's on the press being like one of

873
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 5: the better pitchers in the game, like a j I.

874
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 5: You know I didn't cover you that. I think I

875
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 5: was in the clubhouse with you. Look maybe for a

876
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 5: season or two early on in my career, at the

877
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 5: end of your career. But my assumption is if you

878
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 5: worked with Kate Horton, you'd love him, dude. Yeah, and

879
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 5: he doesn't. You got to slow him down. Is the

880
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 5: type of like, he's a young guy, rookie and and

881
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 5: I thought he carried himself like a veteran.

882
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 3: So so, so here's my question. On Kate Horton. I

883
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 3: did his I did his debut. It was against the

884
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 3: Mass He didn't start, no, no, okay, which I still

885
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 3: cannot figure out. And we asked counsel this before the game.

886
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 3: He didn't want him his first big beginning to face Sodo,

887
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 3: Lindor and Alonso. Yeah, okay, the first time he faced

888
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 3: him though, they came up with the bases loaded, right,

889
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 3: So I just I just did they not know him

890
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 3: well enough? Because after watching him, I mean, this dude is.

891
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 5: I think they wanted a softer landing. Yeah, but in

892
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 5: New York, I agree, you know, like why not?

893
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 4: This is a guy that's used to Yeah, he's used

894
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 4: to it. May as well let him experience what he's

895
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 4: always going to.

896
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 3: Give up a run whoever he started that game is.

897
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, he I think he proved himself and I think

898
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 5: he showed who he is over the course of that

899
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 5: this season and and there there's no doubt that they

900
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 5: would have loved to have him in the playoffs. But

901
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 5: you know, I think they saw that they were short.

902
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 5: After Justin Steele got hurt, after Kate Horton got hurt,

903
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 5: they said, we don't want to end up in this situation.

904
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 3: Horton, Steele, Imanaga Hooyd ty On, there's five. Oh yeah,

905
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 3: so who you adding yeah or kicking out?

906
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 4: No? Well, I think that Steele isn't going to be

907
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 4: ready till May. Okay. I think they could force him.

908
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 5: Back, but I think they saw what happened with the

909
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 5: Marlins and Sandy al Contra. I don't think I think

910
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 5: they rushed him back. You know, I don't think they

911
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 5: want to rush Steel back. And I also think they

912
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 5: just they they're they're kind of the mentality like, we'll

913
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 5: figure it out when when Steal's back. Maybe maybe someone

914
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 5: gets sent down, maybe someone gets pushed to the.

915
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 4: Bullpend, maybe they go with six for a while.

916
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 5: I think they're just completely of the mindset of we

917
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 5: don't want to end up where we were in the playoffs.

918
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 5: They washed the postseason, the way pitching is used, the

919
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 5: way it dominated the postseason at times, and they said,

920
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 5: we're short on pitching. We'll, well, we're willing to take

921
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 5: a step back in offense if that's what needs to happen.

922
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 5: If we can't phil Kyle Tucker's role and the young

923
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 5: guys don't step up and bring the carry the offense again,

924
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 5: they're willing to take a small step back on offense

925
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 5: if it means they have pitching and pitching depth and

926
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 5: can rely on that defense which is elite, and and.

927
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: Carry them through the first round of the playoffs.

928
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 5: I think they they really want to add a lot

929
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 5: of pitching, both bullpen and starting.

930
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 4: But starting, you have to I.

931
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: Got one more for you. It's business, ye, But it's

932
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: the kind of question I like to ask on a

933
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 1: show like this. Some of the fans in the chat

934
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: were pointing out how Crane Kennedy, who's Crane Kenny who's

935
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: the team president, was on some show recently explaining how

936
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,720
Speaker 1: the finances work and blaming Texas for not spending and whatever.

937
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: Can you help explain any of that because that's new

938
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 1: to me and I'm seeing articles.

939
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's constant. They're the and I think it's

940
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 5: all of baseball thing. And I do think the Cubs,

941
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 5: you know, I don't I don't have their books, so

942
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 5: I can't see every bit of it. They they think

943
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 5: that they're that they have to a little bit more than

944
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 5: any other team when it comes to the taxes and

945
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 5: everything going around in the neighborhood and all that stuff. Look,

946
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 5: it sounds like excuse makes making and it and the

947
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 5: amount of money that the Cubs make, I think it's

948
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 5: really hard for fans to accept that.

949
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 4: It's really hard for me to accept that.

950
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: Uh, they're saying they're getting taxed I mean paraphrasing here, right, Yeah,

951
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: but like they're saying they're getting tax more than other

952
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: teams because of this.

953
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, because of the city and the deal that they

954
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 5: had to get the ballpark to where it is now

955
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,760
Speaker 5: and all the you know, all the renovations and everything,

956
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 5: and that's and.

957
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,959
Speaker 1: The renovations that they own around the park, own around

958
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: the park.

959
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 5: Well, so so they this is this is all the

960
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 5: like you know, how you can massage these things. That's

961
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 5: not technically the Cubs. That's a separate company. It's owned

962
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 5: by the same piece is.

963
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: Why baseball is going to have a problem this conversation.

964
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, so so that that doesn't count when it comes

965
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 5: like all that stuff around the ballpark. They own it,

966
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 5: but it's a separate company. So that's not So that's

967
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 5: why they have books.

968
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: That are but this is I don't have.

969
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 4: They're not they're not they're not the same.

970
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: It's important. I'm not going to spend ten minutes on this.

971
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: But when people wonder, why won't players just take a

972
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: salary cap to just split the money. The money you're

973
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: talking about here is directly related to the team, but

974
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: it's not, so they don't actually split a pot. I'm

975
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: just explaining why it'll get so complicated, specifically with Baseball's

976
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: trying to say, here's one revenue number, there, let's split it.

977
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: Owners are ready do this. They will spend every day

978
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: of their life splitting off every single thing they can

979
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: so they can tell players they're not making that much

980
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: money when they own hotels, restaurants, all these things that

981
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: complete Yankees just.

982
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 5: Said, they're losing money, right or not making as much

983
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 5: as you're not. Yeah, yeah, so you know, they they massage,

984
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 5: they change.

985
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's just it sounds awful, Like I know, sometimes

986
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: it sounds like a broken record, but it sounds awful.

987
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: It sounds like owning a team really sucks. Yeah.

988
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 4: There, I don't I don't think fans want share that,

989
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 4: and I think.

990
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 5: They Yeah, I mean, I don't think anybody buys that.

991
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 4: That's the problem.

992
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 5: It's like nobody wants to hear it and nobody believes it.

993
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 5: So the only way you're going to convince us is

994
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 5: to open the books and have someone that really understands

995
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 5: this stuff take a.

996
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 1: Look at it, which they never do. Yeah, so here's

997
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 1: my point. Okay, people know where I stand, but they

998
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: need to think about what they're saying publicly when I

999
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: say they owner president, Like, you need to think about that,

1000
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: because every time that comes out usually people are.

1001
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, no, sorry, I don't think they build too

1002
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 4: high on you.

1003
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 5: They're just gonna spend what they spend, and that, like

1004
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 5: you just kind of have to accept it.

1005
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: So I try.

1006
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 5: I agree with Like, whenever you guys are railing on

1007
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 5: the Cubs spending more, I agree, Patrick and I have

1008
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 5: written about it a lot, but sometimes I just have

1009
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 5: to force myself to look through the lens of this

1010
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 5: is where the Cub's reality is. This is what Jed

1011
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 5: and Carter and the rest of the front office have

1012
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 5: to work with. So that's how I have to like

1013
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 5: look at it. But if fans want to complain or

1014
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 5: people want to say like they should be spending more,

1015
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 5: I'm never going to argue with that because I agree

1016
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 5: they always should be spending more.

1017
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 4: Why shouldn't they spend like the Mets and the Dodgers.

1018
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 4: Just just blow it out.

1019
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just can't spend every article in every North

1020
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: Side Territory episode talk about it.

1021
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 3: Then get some money. They could give her to that

1022
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 3: stupid song after they if they sold that thing, that is.

1023
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 1: The only thing that will get to Hot in Trouble.

1024
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 3: You say, I said a song. I know, I hate

1025
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 3: that stupid song. I know it's for a good cause.

1026
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 3: I know, but I mean I can't hate it.

1027
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 4: You're allowed.

1028
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: You're good to you. Thanksobbing the Bible see after the

1029
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: show and all that. But also North Side Territory with

1030
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: the Hot Eve and with Patrick Mooney. Plenty of episodes

1031
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: for you. I mean there's multiple per week. So if

1032
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: you want to hear more of this, you know where

1033
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: to go. Thanks again, Thanks guys,