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Speaker 3: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: I am John Schmelch today's guest.

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Speaker 3: We're going to be joined by Jason Kandle, the head

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Speaker 3: coach of the Toledo Rockets, who coached Darius Alexander, the

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Speaker 3: Giants third round pick a pick number sixty five, throughout

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Speaker 3: his career in college.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us today.

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Speaker 3: From the Hackensack and Many Health podcast studio, Keep getting better.

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Speaker 3: Without further ado, let's welcome on our guest. We bring

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Speaker 3: in Jason Kandle, head coach of the Toledo Rockets, and

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Speaker 3: without further ado, let's welcome in our guests. He is

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Speaker 3: the head coach of the Toledo Rockets. He's been their

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Speaker 3: head coach in twenty sixteen. Jason Kandle, coach, Thanks for

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Speaker 3: being with us today.

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Speaker 2: How are you good morning? Doing great? Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: On, No, thanks for being with us I'm very excited

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Speaker 3: to have Darius up here.

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Speaker 1: Loved him as a prospect coming out.

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Speaker 3: Now, you've been with the program since two thousand and nine,

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Speaker 1: Assistant too, that's correct, all right.

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Speaker 3: And Darius has been there, was there from twenty nineteen

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Speaker 1: You had him for six years. What was it like

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Speaker 2: Well, I think anytime a young player comes into your program,

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Speaker 2: you're looking for incremental growth in his process as a

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Speaker 2: human being first and foremost, and then you know, a

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Speaker 2: can look like, and then obviously what we're all here

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Speaker 2: for to try to make young men become the best

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Speaker 2: football player they possibly can be. So his process was progressive.

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Speaker 2: What we got as a freshman is certainly not what

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Speaker 2: couple of weekends. But I think his approach is really authentic.

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Speaker 2: His process was really really good and at times faster

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Speaker 2: than others. But you know, I think, like I said,

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Speaker 2: I think the best word I could use is authentic

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Speaker 3: Where do you think he made the biggest stride since

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean I think that an eighteen year old person,

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Speaker 2: just like every person that goes to play college football,

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Speaker 2: like I said, it progressively got better from an authentic approach.

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Speaker 3: It talk about a guy being authentic and being given

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean I think that you know, we had

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Speaker 2: And I you know, young people, all the time you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. You mentioned the Eagles, all I'll

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Speaker 1: And he stuck it out too. So you're right.

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Speaker 3: If you stick it out and you play well, people

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Speaker 2: I think you know. I came from Division three Mount Union,

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Speaker 2: You know. So this is a very extensive process where

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think making a decision like he did

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Speaker 1: When he was at Toledo.

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Speaker 3: Just talk about his growth as a man, trying to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that little guy's got more free muscle milks than

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Speaker 2: you know, we're all a lot of us, myself included

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Speaker 1: All right, let's focus on him as a football player.

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Speaker 3: Coach, you talking about kind of how he steadily improved

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Speaker 2: I think that I played him at offensive tackle, and

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Speaker 2: And this is not anything that you know, paints the

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Speaker 1: Now you mentioned you played him in a little offensive

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Speaker 3: When we see him, at least when I watched him

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Speaker 3: I'm sure every time you played somebody the last couple

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Speaker 3: What do you think is go to trade as coach?

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Speaker 1: Did you have any doubt? And the Giants would talk

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Speaker 2: Well, I went to practice because I figured it was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, coach j I'll be honest with you, I don't

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Speaker 1: Like, what are teams waiting for here? This guy needs

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean I think we've been through here with

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Speaker 1: If you want to know how to manage two minutes

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you know, any any good coordinator is

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Speaker 2: I don't. I think leadership has defined you know, you

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Speaker 2: So I think, first of all, he's got a great personality.

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Speaker 2: is talented. I'm pretty sure the Giants are not asking

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Speaker 2: him to come in as a as a rookie and

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Speaker 2: be a team captain here.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: They probably want him to come in and be the

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Speaker 2: best version of him each and every day so he can,

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Speaker 2: you know, make an impact and his presence can be

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Speaker 2: felt on the practice field and hopefully, you know, on

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Speaker 2: game day as well. And I don't think that's any

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Speaker 2: different than what we asked him to do here at Toledo,

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Speaker 2: and I don't or any of other our are other

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Speaker 2: really good players. So sometimes there's a there's the butterflies

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Speaker 2: in your stomach as a young player, as a freshman

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Speaker 2: or a man or man, I see something that's wrong

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Speaker 2: and I don't feel like I've done enough to say anything.

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Speaker 2: You know, as a senior, those butterflies turn into man,

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Speaker 2: that pressure is I should say something because I've been

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Speaker 2: there and I've done that, and you saw some moments

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Speaker 2: out of him, you know, when he was here that way,

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Speaker 2: But I think the most consistent thing was just who

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Speaker 2: he was each and every day. All right.

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Speaker 3: Then final question, coach, any anecdote stories, things that you

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Speaker 3: had a personal experience with him, just to kind of

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Speaker 3: explain the Giant fans what they're getting in Darius as

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Speaker 3: a guy, as a dude, that that is going to

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Speaker 3: represent your ground well and represent the Giants.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean, I think that family is really

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Speaker 2: important to him, and I think he feels a tremendous

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Speaker 2: amount of responsibility to represent his family in a first

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Speaker 2: class manner. And you know, once once the guy's grasped

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Speaker 2: that and you know, representing Toledo or representing the New

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Speaker 2: York Giants, I think that becomes an easy thing because

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Speaker 2: guys really own their they own their behaviors, and he

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Speaker 2: does that. So I think that you know, for me,

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Speaker 2: the conversations were always real, they were always authentic. You know,

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Speaker 2: he's a guy that will tell you what's on his mind,

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Speaker 2: he'll ask the right questions, He'll he'll learn, and he'll

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Speaker 2: be respectful of a great learning process if there is

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Speaker 2: a great teaching process, And it seems to me like

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Speaker 2: there is a great teaching process in place for him,

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Speaker 2: and as I mentioned before, I think it's gonna be

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Speaker 2: a great fit and this guy's gonna gonna make out

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Speaker 2: all of us problem folks.

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Speaker 3: Anything you want to tell the folks about your program, coach,

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Speaker 3: about you, anything you have going on right now that

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Speaker 3: you want them to know about the floor is yours.

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Speaker 2: No, We're just happy the New York Giants got a rocket,

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Speaker 2: you know, another one. You know, we got Deontay Johnson

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Speaker 2: the linebacker up there as well. And Tay was a

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Speaker 2: great representation of us, and you know, first class kid

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Speaker 2: and was I thought was really coming on in the

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Speaker 2: preseason last year ntil he had his injury. So I'm

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Speaker 2: looking for big things out of both of these young men.

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Speaker 2: And you know, obviously, and we've got a lot of

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Speaker 2: we put a lot of guys out, you know, in

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Speaker 2: the NFL since since our staff has been here. You know,

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Speaker 2: Darius was a draft picked number eleven, since our staff

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Speaker 2: got here, when we when I became the head coach here.

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Speaker 2: And uh, we've got some more coming next year. So

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Speaker 2: keep an eye on the rockets. And I think some

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Speaker 2: big things on the horizon here for us. I'm very

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Speaker 2: proud of our graduates and proud of what our program

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Speaker 2: has done and where we think it's gonna go.

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Speaker 3: Coach, You're right, Deontay was he was he was gonna,

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Speaker 3: you know, really push the playing time last offseason since

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Speaker 3: I have you just tell the Giant fans what they

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Speaker 3: could have in Deontay Johnson now that he's healthy. And

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Speaker 3: by the way, that guy's built like a tank of

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Speaker 3: people watch him walking around.

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Speaker 1: That guy is just solid as a rock.

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Speaker 3: What Giant fans might have with him if he manages

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Speaker 3: to fight his way onto the field for some more

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Speaker 3: defensive ends special team snaps.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, he's not going to screw it up.

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Speaker 2: I mean that guy's got a you know, mechanical engineering

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Speaker 2: degree from here and you know, very smart, very cerebral person,

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Speaker 2: humble worker, you know. And I think that's one thing

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Speaker 2: that I think, you know, we pride ourselves on here

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Speaker 2: is you know, we don't care where we were drafted

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Speaker 2: or you know, if we were drafted. We just want

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Speaker 2: the opportunity. We want to have the opportunity to stick.

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Speaker 2: And I think you probably see that, you know, being

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Speaker 2: very close to the program there, you see that from

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Speaker 2: Tay and see you know how he goes about himself

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Speaker 2: and carries himself each and every day, and another guy

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Speaker 2: that wants to represent his family in a first class manner,

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Speaker 2: and Toledo has benefited gratefully from that. So really excited

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Speaker 2: for him, Really excited for what I think it can be,

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Speaker 2: because you know, once that guy continues to learn what

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Speaker 2: to do and how to do it, he's just going

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Speaker 2: to get better and better and better and very very

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Speaker 2: accountable and reliable person and players. So Giants fan should

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Speaker 2: be excited about him and what the future looks like.

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Speaker 3: Hey coach of the Toledo Rockets, he is, Hey coach

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Speaker 3: Jason kandall coach, thanks so much of the time, best

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Speaker 3: of the book on recruiting, get back on that trail,

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Speaker 3: and good luck in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Go Rockets.

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Speaker 3: That's Toledo head coach Jason kandall. Awesome stuff. We really

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Speaker 3: thank him for joining us. Really good stuff on Darius Alexander,

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Speaker 3: well again, really excited. I think the Giants got to

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Speaker 3: steal with sixty five. Very excited to see him on

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Speaker 3: the field with the Giants this year. I think he

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Speaker 3: can do a lot at six' five with those long

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Speaker 3: arms and. ATHLETICISM i think he's had a bright future

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Speaker 3: ahead of him and it's great to learn a little

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Speaker 3: bit more about him from someone that spent six years

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Speaker 3: with him At. Toledo thanks for being with us here

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