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Speaker 1: dot com. Odell Beckham Junior Cleared Waivers is now in
Speaker 1: a unique position, and this is what I thought the
Speaker 1: game plan was, and if he was able to carry
Speaker 1: it out, it was going to be a brilliant game plan.
Speaker 1: He wanted to get out of Cleveland. I don't think
Speaker 1: he had any problem with his dad co signing on
Speaker 1: the video that showed Baker Mayfield not finding his son
Speaker 1: on the field and a lot of bad throws and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's all get out of here.
Speaker 1: You couldn't trade me. Now I can be released, put
Speaker 1: on waivers. Nobody's going to pick me up because of
Speaker 1: my salary. Now I get to pick where I want
Speaker 1: to go. And that's exactly how this has played out.
Speaker 1: He has a chance to sign with the team that
Speaker 1: he thinks has a great chance to win the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: although that might be Cleveland. He also could have the
Speaker 1: opportunity to play with some legendary quarterbacks that wasn't going
Speaker 1: to happen in Cleveland. Aaron Rodgers is a possibility, Russell Wilson,
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, I don't know. Throw in Tom Brady and
Speaker 1: not that all of these teams can meet Beckham's price tag.
Speaker 1: But there's more to the story than just working out
Speaker 1: the financials Odell Beckham is a sensitive guy, sensitive to
Speaker 1: how many times he's going to get targeted. Is he
Speaker 1: going to go and be the number one receiver, number
Speaker 1: two receiver, number three receiver. He's not going to be
Speaker 1: number one in places like Green Bay or Kansas City.
Speaker 1: But it comes down to ego chemistry, and someone's going
Speaker 1: to add a very talented player create one of the
Speaker 1: more fascinating storylines for the rest of the NFL this season.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if Tom Brady wants to bring
Speaker 1: him in. And Tonio Brown is slow to come back
Speaker 1: from his injury, it feels like, if you're Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: let's go all in on it. Now. Here's the dangerous part.
Speaker 1: Maybe dangerous is a maybe a little hyperbole here, but
Speaker 1: the danger of this is if you go to Green
Speaker 1: Bay and Aaron Rodgers leaves, what happens if the Packers
Speaker 1: franchise tag you, then you're there with Jordan Love and
Speaker 1: then you might be in a similar situation to what
Speaker 1: you had in Cleveland, a quarterback that you wouldn't have
Speaker 1: confidence in. You go to Kansas City, you're not going
Speaker 1: to be the number one target. If you go to Seattle,
Speaker 1: you're not going to be the number one target. If
Speaker 1: you go to New England, you will be the number
Speaker 1: one target. Now, do you want to play with a
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback? You're going to have a Hall of Fame coach,
Speaker 1: the greatest coach of all time, but you have a
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback, but you will be the number one target there.
Speaker 1: And I think those are things to keep an eye on. Plus,
Speaker 1: if Odell Beckham signs today, is he going to be
Speaker 1: able to play this weekend? And we still don't have
Speaker 1: confirmation on that. Could you guys check maybe with Florio
Speaker 1: that he would know. We're waiting to hear from the NFL.
Speaker 1: But if Odell Beckham signs today, let's say with Seattle,
Speaker 1: is he playing in Green Bay this weekend? Is he
Speaker 1: eligible to play this weekend? McLevin, what's poll questioning you
Speaker 1: have today? All right, Charlie O'Dell, if you're Adell, would
Speaker 1: you rather be number one target on a good team
Speaker 1: like the Patriots or number two or three target on
Speaker 1: a great team. I want to go to where I'm
Speaker 1: playing with a great quarterback. So's if it's Tampa, it's
Speaker 1: Green Bay, it's Seattle. I want to go where I'm
Speaker 1: going to play with a great quarterback. What if it
Speaker 1: costs you a little bit of money though, because you'll
Speaker 1: get less targets and you know, I guess wide receivers
Speaker 1: probably get paid for production, so your production goes down,
Speaker 1: you know, but you win. I would want to be
Speaker 1: in a position to win a super Bowl. Antonio Brown
Speaker 1: did this, played nice, went to Tampa, won a super Bowl.
Speaker 1: If I'm Odell Beckham, I would try to do the
Speaker 1: same thing. But I would want to go where I
Speaker 1: know that quarterback is not going to be the problem
Speaker 1: that he'll find me. He has that ability, he has
Speaker 1: a history, He has a resume Baker Mayfield didn't have.
Speaker 1: That didn't feel like they were ever on the same page.
Speaker 1: I do think that the Cleveland Browns are better without
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham because of the style of team that they have.
Speaker 1: I don't know what Seattle is going to be like
Speaker 1: because as we've watched the last decade, it feels like
Speaker 1: they're a running team and defense and then they asked
Speaker 1: Russ to kind of bail him out the final five
Speaker 1: minutes of a game. I don't think Odell Beckham wants
Speaker 1: to be part of that. Green Bay is fascinating, but
Speaker 1: he's gonna be behind Davante Adams, but you do have
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. And we talked about this over a month ago,
Speaker 1: longer than that, and I thought, if I'm Cleveland or
Speaker 1: I'm Green Bay, I reach out and say, what do
Speaker 1: you want for Odell Beckham? Now I don't know the
Speaker 1: financials if they would have picked him up, could they
Speaker 1: have afforded it? Might don't know that, but in my mind,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, you want to go all in with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: Just say to Rogers, do you want Odell? Because Odell
Speaker 1: wants you. Odell wants to play in Green Bay. But
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're going to be able to
Speaker 1: bring him in given everything that's going on, But if
Speaker 1: they can make that work, that'd be pretty fascinating. It
Speaker 1: would certainly take the spotlight on what's happened with Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers recently. It's like, let's talk about Odell Beckham being
Speaker 1: a Green Bay Packer. Yeah, PAULI. If you're Beckham and
Speaker 1: his agent, though, shouldn't it be Tampa and everyone else? Second,
Speaker 1: you have the best chance to win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Look what happened to Antonio Brown's career. This guy was
Speaker 1: out of the league and had no interest from anybody,
Speaker 1: and anyone complaining about him being in the league anymore.
Speaker 1: Tom Brady helped him clean up everything well. He had
Speaker 1: Brady in his camp, which helped because Brady kept saying
Speaker 1: Brady wanted him in New England and then they released him.
Speaker 1: He was not happy about that. And then he goes
Speaker 1: to Tampa. He wants to bring in Antonio Brown, does
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers? Does he still have some sway in the
Speaker 1: front office given everything that's happened, Can he say, hey,
Speaker 1: let's go get him. Hey, I'll make this work. Yeah? MC,
Speaker 1: how about the chief says an attractive spot for Odell? Sure?
Speaker 1: I mean they don't have that second wide receiver. They
Speaker 1: have a second target, Travis Kelsey. They have a replaced Watkins.
Speaker 1: I guess is the problem there? Yeah? But does he
Speaker 1: want to be Sammy Watchers? I mean he wants to
Speaker 1: be a star. Is he gonna be a star there?
Speaker 1: I don't know. But here's the problem. When you have
Speaker 1: this much debate him out placating a wide receiver, you're
Speaker 1: in trouble because it should be you come in like
Speaker 1: Randy Moss did to New England, and you adapt to
Speaker 1: our system you can't. You can't go, Oh we got
Speaker 1: we gotta keep him happy. Oh we gotta give him
Speaker 1: in his touches. There, that's where it gets dangerous again.
Speaker 1: I don't want to give him all the power. I
Speaker 1: want him to understand. You come in and this is
Speaker 1: the style, this is this is how many touches. We
Speaker 1: don't want to hear anything about this. Hey, I'm not
Speaker 1: getting the ball. Come in and do what we ask
Speaker 1: you to do, and we have a chance to win
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. Yeah McClean, Why do I feel like
Speaker 1: the Patriots is the worst idea? But if you want
Speaker 1: to be the go to guy, you want to be
Speaker 1: the number one guy, and you want to play for
Speaker 1: a great coach who you think will put you in
Speaker 1: a position to succeed, you have to be able to
Speaker 1: kind of co sign with Mac Jones, which if I'm
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham, I don't want to go into that situation.
Speaker 1: I would rather go let's make some headlines here and
Speaker 1: let's go to Kansas City, Let's go to Tampa, Let's
Speaker 1: go to Green Bay, let's go to Seattle. Although Seattle
Speaker 1: I think less you know, as far as you know
Speaker 1: the headlines. But I think if you were going to
Speaker 1: the other places, you'd certainly you know that would probably
Speaker 1: benefit you the most if But I don't know what
Speaker 1: his goals are. His goal might need to show the
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns you screwed up, just like when he went
Speaker 1: to Cleveland, he wanted to show the Giants that they
Speaker 1: screwed up. He keeps looking in his rear view mirror,
Speaker 1: and that's what I would tell him. Hey, keep your
Speaker 1: eye on the road straight ahead, let's go stop. Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna prove you guys wrong. You could say Cleveland's
Speaker 1: already proved that they don't need Odell Beckham. They go
Speaker 1: in and smoke the Bengals, and they're a better team
Speaker 1: without him when everybody's healthy, they're a better team without him. Yes. See,
Speaker 1: if you look at the Patriots, they're kind of they're
Speaker 1: good for certain things. But if you're looking to get
Speaker 1: a long term paycheck out of them, that's not happening.
Speaker 1: But if you're looking to spend a year, maybe half
Speaker 1: a year, just keeping your head down, doing your work,
Speaker 1: proving to people that you could be a good teammate,
Speaker 1: where you have a coach who will be unflappable in
Speaker 1: his defense of you at all times, that's not That
Speaker 1: might be the place to do it. What about Dallas?
Speaker 1: Dallas is another team. It feels like there's ten teams,
Speaker 1: but I don't think there's ten. There might be five.
Speaker 1: Because you know the Colts are on the list. I don't.
Speaker 1: I can't see the Colts. You know the Rams. I
Speaker 1: don't see the Rams either. But I don't know what
Speaker 1: he thinks, what he wants. We haven't really heard from him.
Speaker 1: I mean the first thing, if I had him on,
Speaker 1: I'd say what role did you play in the video?
Speaker 1: Your dad put out? Like? I would start there and
Speaker 1: then we could kind of work our way wherever we
Speaker 1: needed to. Yeah, pulling. I'm wondering how this works, and
Speaker 1: Tannabomba probably help us. If you're a GM and you're
Speaker 1: interested in signing a player, are you allowed to talk
Speaker 1: to that player or do you just talk to his agent?
Speaker 1: I have no idea how that works. But if you're
Speaker 1: a GMO, let's say the Packers GM, would you want
Speaker 1: to speak on a phone to Odell Beckham before you
Speaker 1: sign him? Sure? Is that allowed? Waits for your agent? Yeah?
Speaker 1: But I wonder if the agent would let that happen.
Speaker 1: Agents are very cont rolling, Well, you want your player
Speaker 1: to go to Green Bay. We'd like to talk to you.
Speaker 1: Aaron would like to talk to you. Mike Tannenbaum, former GM,
Speaker 1: will join us coming up here in a moment. Joe
Speaker 1: Montana also stopped by a little bit later on and
Speaker 1: tell you why the Niners made the wrong decision drafting
Speaker 1: Trey Lance they should have drafted Mac Jones. And also
Speaker 1: why Joe thinks Tom Brady can play as long as
Speaker 1: he wants because the rules have changed in the NFL.
Speaker 1: All of that coming up. The Packers got fined as
Speaker 1: I told you they would, There would be no suspensions,
Speaker 1: three hundred thousand dollars. Rogers gets off lightly with a
Speaker 1: slap on the wrist with fifteen thousand dollars, and Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers was on the Pat McAfee show and kind of
Speaker 1: walk back some of his comments sort of, but you know,
Speaker 1: it's his version of an apology. If you were waiting
Speaker 1: for that, which I don't know how many people were,
Speaker 1: I still believe that he believes what he told us. Initially.
Speaker 1: He may have walked this back because it's probably better
Speaker 1: for business for him and to be able to just
Speaker 1: be a football player. But as he said to Pat
Speaker 1: McAfee that he is that an athlete, not an activist.
Speaker 1: I'm an athlete, I'm not an activist. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get back to doing what I do best, and that's
Speaker 1: playing ball. Like I shared my opinion, it wasn't one
Speaker 1: that was that was come to frivolously. It involved a
Speaker 1: lot of study and what I felt like was in
Speaker 1: my best interests from my body. But further comments, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm going to keep between myself and my doctors, and
Speaker 1: you know, I don't have any further comments about about
Speaker 1: any of those things after this interview. Okay, so we
Speaker 1: move on. But I don't know who he's apologizing to
Speaker 1: and if he was truly apologizing teammates, media, I don't
Speaker 1: know fans. But Aaron Rodgers might be able to play
Speaker 1: this weekend, at least he's hoping. He said there's a
Speaker 1: small chance he won't play against Yellen. Yes, he I
Speaker 1: just surprised he didn't say State Farm by name. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Apologistist to my agent, Jake, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: It does feel like a long term business apology. Like
Speaker 1: his agents and people got together and say, hey, look,
Speaker 1: we have a lot of plans for you two years
Speaker 1: from now and you're public. You took a hit publicly.
Speaker 1: That's what it feels like a business decision. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean there's so many angles to this. I tried to
Speaker 1: keep it with just football, what it means for football.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know who Aaron is, considering you know,
Speaker 1: the the woke media and cancel culture and all of
Speaker 1: that stuff. You know, we reached out love to have
Speaker 1: him on. And this isn't an indictment on Pat McAfee
Speaker 1: because people were critical of Pat, saying you do you know,
Speaker 1: you gotta ask questions and you kind of fight back,
Speaker 1: and that's not who Pat is. I mean Pat got
Speaker 1: him on because he's Pat, and you know, and he's
Speaker 1: with Aj Hawker, former teammate. If he doesn't get him on,
Speaker 1: we don't hear any of this stuff. They have a
Speaker 1: partnership there. So I didn't. I wasn't article at Pat
Speaker 1: McAfee as people said, oh, how would you have handled
Speaker 1: the interview? Well, how I handle it is different than Pat.
Speaker 1: But you know, Pat has you know, this is who
Speaker 1: he is, that's his personality, that's his style. It'd be
Speaker 1: like if he said, hey, why don't you lighten up,
Speaker 1: Dan Man, you get really seriously, you know it's too
Speaker 1: tough to do your own show, let alone, let me
Speaker 1: be critical of somebody else's show. And how I wanted
Speaker 1: to do. You know when I listened was what am
Speaker 1: I getting out of this? What does any of this
Speaker 1: stuff means? Does Aaron Rodgers still believe all of this stuff? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Is he going to change? Probably not, but that's his opinion.
Speaker 1: Pat McAfee shows that approach, letting Aaron have pretty much
Speaker 1: uninterrupted stage and then the follow up, and he tried
Speaker 1: on the follow up, but Aaron wanted to say what
Speaker 1: he wanted to say, and that's the reason why he
Speaker 1: got him on because Pat lets him have the platform
Speaker 1: to speak. Here is something else that Aaron Rodgers said
Speaker 1: about himself. Look, I shared an opinion that is polarizing.
Speaker 1: I get it, and I misled some people about my status,
Speaker 1: which I take full responsibility of it. But in the end,
Speaker 1: I have to stay true to who I am and
Speaker 1: what I'm about. Okay, so you're not apologizing, and who
Speaker 1: are you apologizing too? Aaron Rodgers meant what he said
Speaker 1: last week. That's it. This was damage control. Okay, we
Speaker 1: move on, but let me just see you play football. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I like that he does in that sound bite, which
Speaker 1: this might not be fair, but he's doing that same
Speaker 1: cutesy word thing again where he's you know, are you vaccinated?
Speaker 1: I'm munized. Well, I didn't lie. I misled, Pemale And
Speaker 1: who did you mislead? And if you did talk to
Speaker 1: a doctor with the NFL, just tell me who the
Speaker 1: doctor is because maybe the there's gray area here, maybe
Speaker 1: you were told something, believes something. I'll go back to
Speaker 1: what I said Initially, in Aaron's mind, he thought that
Speaker 1: he was protected. I truly believe that he wasn't, but
Speaker 1: in his mind he thought he was. Yeah, Paul, that
Speaker 1: wasn't an interception. I through the day that was sharing.
Speaker 1: What if you did this one fall that I shared
Speaker 1: the ball with the defense. Yeah, I didn't fumble the ball.
Speaker 1: I chose to give it to somebody else out of generosity.
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Speaker 1: We'll talk to Mike Tannenbaum, the former GM. Odell Beckham
Speaker 1: able to play this weekend. Can teams talk to him?
Speaker 1: Could a coach or GM reach out? Yes? I heard
Speaker 1: he may sign as early as today, As early as today.
Speaker 1: Thank you. That's Jimmy Jimmerson with breaking news. There are
Speaker 1: a couple of Jimmy Jimmerson moments. Yesterday I went, oh, no,
Speaker 1: you know he can sign as early as today? I went, okay,
Speaker 1: as opposed to when as early as the day before? No,
Speaker 1: he couldn't. Yes, yes, I've heard that Odell Beckham is
Speaker 1: a free agent and can sign with multiple teams. A
Speaker 1: lot of that. All right, thank you, Jimmy Jimmerson. All right,
Speaker 1: we'll take a break. We'll settle on a poll question,
Speaker 1: stat of the day, play of the day, all of
Speaker 1: that forthcoming. We're back after this in the Dan Patrick Show.
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Speaker 1: d P show Email under STP at Dan Patrick dot com,
Speaker 1: Twitter handle at DPS show. Mike Tannenbaum works for the Mothership,
Speaker 1: ESPN front office insider, former NFL executive, and he founded
Speaker 1: the thirty third Team, a football think tank consisting of
Speaker 1: former NFL head coaches, gems and grad students creating in
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Speaker 1: thirty third Team provides insights with a lot of depth
Speaker 1: and experience and perspectives here and Mike is kind enough
Speaker 1: to join us. Mike can a GM talk to Odell
Speaker 1: Beckham can you ask for that right now? Absolutely. So.
Speaker 1: After four o'clock game yesterday he was a free agent
Speaker 1: and a four to one, I'm on the phone with him.
Speaker 1: If I'm in the GM, any team that's contended, what
Speaker 1: about coach quarterback? Does that happen? Absolutely, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: tell him, Hey, look, here's the exact well we want
Speaker 1: you to play. Here's a scheme, and you come in
Speaker 1: and let's just flush what's happened in the past, Cleveland Giants,
Speaker 1: that's ancient history. Come in, give us eight meaningful regular
Speaker 1: season games. We'll go to the postseason, and we want
Speaker 1: to set you up obj to make a lot of
Speaker 1: money next March. Hopefully it's with us, If not, it'll
Speaker 1: be with another team. Yeah. If you had two questions, Mike,
Speaker 1: as a GM, what would you ask Odell Beckham? Number one,
Speaker 1: is it in the past, the reputation you'd rather lose
Speaker 1: forty nine forty seven and have one hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: catches than win ten six with only one catch? Is
Speaker 1: that fair or unfair? And then number two would be
Speaker 1: is you know, what are your goals? What do you
Speaker 1: want to accomplish? How do you expect to get there?
Speaker 1: See I want to know what role did he play
Speaker 1: in the video that was put out by his dad.
Speaker 1: Now that you know he kind of submarined Baker Mayfield
Speaker 1: or at least co signed on this, would that concern
Speaker 1: you as a GM signing Odell Beckham? Yeah? Absolutely. I
Speaker 1: want to know that you're in charge of you and
Speaker 1: everybody else around you. And depends in your hand, OBJ
Speaker 1: in terms of what you want to want to think
Speaker 1: of you, because right now there is noise. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of distractions, so you could flush it and that
Speaker 1: could be ancient history or if that comes here and
Speaker 1: it doesn't work here after you're thirteen, usually you're a
Speaker 1: minimum guy. So depends in your hand what do you
Speaker 1: want people to think of you? The team that makes
Speaker 1: the most sense for Odell Beckham juniors who you know? Dan?
Speaker 1: To me, it's Green Bay and here's why you come in.
Speaker 1: You're with Aaron Rodgers. You're on the opposite of DeVante Adams.
Speaker 1: You're in an ideal situation and Aaron Rodgers all that
Speaker 1: noise aside of what's just happened. Dan, he's running the
Speaker 1: program there and he'll tell you exactly where you want
Speaker 1: to be. The routes at what depth. If you do this,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get the ball. If you don't, we'll get
Speaker 1: the ball to ALA's art and Ballast scandling everybody else.
Speaker 1: So you need somebody who's strong conviction. It's a lot
Speaker 1: like Tom Bray Antonio Brown. It's really a win win
Speaker 1: and having Aaron there will give OBJ the best chance
Speaker 1: to be successful. What about Tampa? What about Kansas City?
Speaker 1: What about Seattle? Have you got strong quarterbacks? Yep? I
Speaker 1: think Tampa. There's just too much there between you know,
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown, Godwin, Edmunds Bron. I just don't know if
Speaker 1: there's enough opportunity Kansas see, you know, they just try
Speaker 1: to run that same play Dan with Josh Gordon, So
Speaker 1: you know, maybe three weeks ago, Seattle to me is
Speaker 1: a possibility. And then the other team, you know, he's
Speaker 1: from Louisiana, and let's face it, the Saints have a
Speaker 1: really good defense. Michael Thomas is out for the year.
Speaker 1: But the quarterback situation right now is a big question mark.
Speaker 1: So if I was representing OBJ, the Saints would be
Speaker 1: at the bottom of that group because I just don't
Speaker 1: know how productive I would be. Yeah, and you can't
Speaker 1: put him in a situation where he's gonna respect Trevor
Speaker 1: Simeon and Trevor Simeon even though that's his number one receiver,
Speaker 1: you still have to placate him. And I think that's
Speaker 1: where Baker Mayfield got in trouble early, is this is
Speaker 1: obj I want him to be my friend. I wanting
Speaker 1: to respect me, and defenses have to know this Mike
Speaker 1: that he is going to zero in on him. Are
Speaker 1: the Browns better without Odell Beckham? And if so? Why? Yeah? Dan,
Speaker 1: It's really remarkable the stats back of it. The takebacks
Speaker 1: up because I think Baker just plays quarterback. You know,
Speaker 1: last week Jarvis Landry had eleven yards for seeing he
Speaker 1: was a non factor, but eight different players touched the ball. Obviously,
Speaker 1: how to big game. Denzel Warred out to pick six.
Speaker 1: They put up a lot of points because they were
Speaker 1: diverse on their offense and Donovan Peoples Jones was a
Speaker 1: big time recruit coming out of the Michigan area, and
Speaker 1: when he played at Michigan there was really this very
Speaker 1: poor quarterback play. I think he has a chance to
Speaker 1: be really good. I'm not saying like an elite star,
Speaker 1: but he could be a bona fide, really solid receiver,
Speaker 1: so they have a number of weapons and they could
Speaker 1: just play offense and not worry about ob J. He's Mike,
Speaker 1: Dan and Bob the ESPN front office insider, former NFL executive.
Speaker 1: If you were the GM of the Browns, what would
Speaker 1: you do with Baker Mayfield long term? I have mass
Speaker 1: of concerns. He's height and speed deficient. And Dan, if
Speaker 1: you and I were running a team, he's maybe maybe
Speaker 1: the sixth best quarterback in the AFC when you think
Speaker 1: about Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes and Justin Herbert Derek Carr,
Speaker 1: like this is the golden age of quarterbacks in the AFC.
Speaker 1: Arguably he's the third best quarterback in the AFC North
Speaker 1: behind Lamar and Joe Burr. So I'm paying him maybe
Speaker 1: in that mid tier market, But we can't win a
Speaker 1: championship with Baker Mayfield. Do we want to go to
Speaker 1: war every day with the sixth or seventh best quarterback
Speaker 1: in our conference? But there is no mid tier though, Mike,
Speaker 1: this is what I keep arguing that it feels like
Speaker 1: next guy up is going to make forty to forty
Speaker 1: five million, or you cut him. I would love to
Speaker 1: have that. If I'm an agent that there's a there's
Speaker 1: a landing spot here that I'm my guy's going to
Speaker 1: make twenty eight million dollars a year. Let's let's just
Speaker 1: throw out a random number here that feels like it's
Speaker 1: amenable for both both sides. But it doesn't happen. Why well,
Speaker 1: because there's massive egos on both sides. And you're right,
Speaker 1: the number t B is twenty eight to thirty with
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins somewhere in that range. Baker Mayfield to me,
Speaker 1: here's the conversation. Hey, you stay here, you're gonna hit
Speaker 1: one hundred percent of a double, which by the way
Speaker 1: is probably one hundred and thirty one hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: million dollars over the next six to seven years. And
Speaker 1: we could go keep Wyatt, tell her who we just signed,
Speaker 1: where Keith, Denzel Ward, mit Chub. We have a really
Speaker 1: good team and you're a meaningful part. Or you could
Speaker 1: go lead and go sign with some bad team and
Speaker 1: go make whatever the number is, thirty eight million, thirty
Speaker 1: nine million. You know, maybe you get lucky and go
Speaker 1: to Carolina and has a great defense, but chances are
Speaker 1: you may go to a team that's rebuilding. So if
Speaker 1: you want to make the most money. It's not going
Speaker 1: to be here in Cleveland. But if you want to
Speaker 1: have a chance to win with a lot of good teammates,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to take, as you said, somewhere between
Speaker 1: twenty eight and thirty million dollars. Why is Cam Newton
Speaker 1: still out of football? Dan, That's a great question every
Speaker 1: week on a yespan. I would sign Cam Newton to
Speaker 1: a two year deal if I'm Pittsburgh, if I'm New Orleans.
Speaker 1: And here's why Ben Roethlisberger had a great career as
Speaker 1: going to the Hall of Fame. He's not good enough anymore,
Speaker 1: and he's declining this year and he's worse next year.
Speaker 1: If you're the Saints, you don't have a quarterback under
Speaker 1: contract for next year, so the draft doesn't look great.
Speaker 1: Maybe pick it out of pit could be a first rounder.
Speaker 1: But if you get Cam Newton to sign for this
Speaker 1: year and next year, you're solidifying that position while you
Speaker 1: look for somebody else. And while he's not perfect, he's
Speaker 1: another year off for shoulder surgery. And I think it's
Speaker 1: a no brainer an assignment to a two year deal.
Speaker 1: What did you think of the Dolphins flirting with Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 1: They were doing their job. I mean, if you go
Speaker 1: back to his freshman year at Alabama, when you come
Speaker 1: into these programs in the NFL or big time college football,
Speaker 1: you're competing. He beat out Jalen Hurts. Hurts the transfer
Speaker 1: to Oklahoma, and we always tell players Dan like, you're
Speaker 1: competing against the backups in this building and anybody else
Speaker 1: we can get. So it's competition. They were doing their job.
Speaker 1: And by the way, here's the other thing that was
Speaker 1: smart about what Miami did Dan. If they're interested in
Speaker 1: him in March, they now have a massive head start
Speaker 1: over Carolina, Denver and all these other teams. So if
Speaker 1: two I can handle and be mentally tough to know
Speaker 1: that there's going to be competition, they have the wrong guy.
Speaker 1: So I think what they did was smart and proactive.
Speaker 1: Let me circle back to Aaron Rodgers before I let
Speaker 1: you go. Is he more likely to stay or less
Speaker 1: likely to stay with what just happened. I think it's
Speaker 1: a massive opportunity for the Green Bay Packers. I'm running
Speaker 1: into Aaron Rodgers's house. I'm Brian Guda Constant. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to door and say, hey, we got your back.
Speaker 1: We're gonna handle the fines, all the noise. Go be
Speaker 1: a great teammate, Go in a championship. And I'll tell
Speaker 1: you this, Dan, Ironically, I trade for far back with
Speaker 1: the Jets. You could hear in their voice that they
Speaker 1: knew they had something special with Aaron Rodgers. They don't
Speaker 1: have that with Jordan Love. This is an opportunity to
Speaker 1: start recruiting Aaron that, hey, you're you're a big part
Speaker 1: of what we're gonna do. You'll have a say on
Speaker 1: the roster. You're not gonna be the GM, but if
Speaker 1: you suggest a guy like Randall Tobb, we're gonna take
Speaker 1: that into consideration. But we have your back. And to me,
Speaker 1: if I'm green Bay, Dan, this is an opportunity at
Speaker 1: the time that he's getting criticized to show him how
Speaker 1: much we care about you. How did you initiate trade
Speaker 1: talks with green Bay for far I called every day.
Speaker 1: You know to me, the word no is a great
Speaker 1: conversation starter. And it took us about three weeks to
Speaker 1: convinced Brett that like coming to the Jets was not
Speaker 1: practicing in fricking Times Square as Ironically, it was John
Speaker 1: Ruden who was the head coach at Tampa, and we
Speaker 1: just wore him down and we just put together a
Speaker 1: compelling case. We actually I told him that I was
Speaker 1: going to find him every tuesday, that he didn't hunt
Speaker 1: or fish, and that there was a big farm about
Speaker 1: ten miles from our facility, and we just we showed
Speaker 1: him that he can have a great experience both on
Speaker 1: and off the field. And but for a shoulder injury, Dan,
Speaker 1: I'm sure he would be taking a level forty two
Speaker 1: CBD now if he could have back then, he would
Speaker 1: he would have maybe guy us over the hump. But
Speaker 1: Brett was a great experience. Who were you competing against
Speaker 1: to get far? It was Tampa, And what the problem
Speaker 1: for us was, you know, he was in Mississippi. He
Speaker 1: played for John bruden in up in Green Bay, and
Speaker 1: he didn't know Brian Schottenheimer, our coordinator, Eric b and
Speaker 1: Jeanie or myself. So we actually sent Google Google satellite
Speaker 1: imaging of this farm and said, hey, Brett, every Tuesday,
Speaker 1: you are allowing the building you have to hunt and fish.
Speaker 1: You're gonna be in the building three days a week.
Speaker 1: We got a great bunch of dudes. You're gonna be
Speaker 1: really happy here and let's go beat in New England.
Speaker 1: And you know, we finally, you know, after about three
Speaker 1: weeks getting the word no, we finally got him over
Speaker 1: the hump. But you also are fighting this image of
Speaker 1: you go to New York and, oh my god, I
Speaker 1: gotta deal with all of this. You don't have to
Speaker 1: deal with any of that. You guys are you know,
Speaker 1: out in the suburbs in New Jersey, right, But Dan,
Speaker 1: you know that, and I know that, like you're in
Speaker 1: northeast guy, you're in Connecticut. If you're Brett Farve and
Speaker 1: you're on a five hundred acre farm. And I saw
Speaker 1: it when we went to get him. It's every inch
Speaker 1: of five yard acres. New York is a very intimidating place.
Speaker 1: And I will go to my grave convinced that once
Speaker 1: he got those Google satellite images of this farm and
Speaker 1: it's a twelve million, twelve minute drive from Florim Park
Speaker 1: to this farm, that he was going to have a
Speaker 1: great experience. And I think that was a game changer
Speaker 1: because all he kept hearing from Tampa is if you
Speaker 1: go the Jets, you're gonna be in Time Square. It's traffic.
Speaker 1: You're going to hate it there. So this is a
Speaker 1: guy that was from the South, went to school miss
Speaker 1: Out played in Green Bay, and we had to convince
Speaker 1: him that there was actually, you know, we have trees
Speaker 1: in New Jersey. Mike. Great to catch up with you
Speaker 1: as always. Thanks great stuff. Yeah, I appreciate you having me.
Speaker 1: Thanks Dan. It's Mike Tannenbaum, ESPN front office insider, former
Speaker 1: NFL executive and founder of the thirty third Team, a
Speaker 1: football think tank consisting of former NFL head coaches, jams
Speaker 1: grad assistance and creating in depth analysis of college and
Speaker 1: pro football. Been around Mike. He's very passionate and has
Speaker 1: great opinion, strong opinions and well versed in research. But
Speaker 1: when you're trying to get Brett Farve to go to
Speaker 1: the Jets and you're saying, hey, you're not playing football
Speaker 1: in Times Square, just to let you know that you're
Speaker 1: able to be out in the suburbs there there's a
Speaker 1: lot of farms in Jersey and the fact that you're
Speaker 1: sending him a GPS a satellite image of hey, you
Speaker 1: can be hunting and fishing here every Tuesday, and it
Speaker 1: almost worked out for them, all right, McLevin, what's the
Speaker 1: poll question today? Okay? I actually put up on the
Speaker 1: site already. If your Odell Beckham, would you rather be
Speaker 1: the number one receiver on a good team or the
Speaker 1: number three wide receiver on a Super Bowl contender? Sixty four?
Speaker 1: A number one receiver on a good team, how can
Speaker 1: that be? Do you need to win the super Bowl?
Speaker 1: At least say you want to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I don't think we've ever interviewed Odell Beckham on this show,
Speaker 1: so I don't know what his makeup is. I mean,
Speaker 1: I gather things when I watch him or other people
Speaker 1: who talk about him, But I have no idea what
Speaker 1: he wants to be, what he wants to do, what's
Speaker 1: important to him. He's already been this thing. Now, what
Speaker 1: do you want them to say about you when your
Speaker 1: career is over? He's twenty nine and you start to
Speaker 1: creep up into that thirty thirty one, thirty two, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden nobody cares about you anymore,
Speaker 1: and he relies on that speed that quickly. You're not
Speaker 1: a big guy, yeah, McLellan. I've seen a lot of reporters,
Speaker 1: right like Jake Lazer, that he's a very nice guy.
Speaker 1: I've seen that many many reporters said it if you
Speaker 1: knew him off camera, you would love him. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: kind of like Belichick. It's funny. Every time I've been
Speaker 1: around Antonio Brown, he's one of the nicest people, and
Speaker 1: then you hear all these other stories. You know, you're
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I can tell people that
Speaker 1: I've been around these people and they may have one
Speaker 1: opinion of them, and I could say, oh, no, you're
Speaker 1: wrong about that, But they might be different to me
Speaker 1: than they would be just the normal person on the street.
Speaker 1: And they're on the show with me. You know that
Speaker 1: when they come on, they want to be entertaining, they
Speaker 1: want to be nice, they want to be part of
Speaker 1: the show. I don't know, you it's people tell me
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick is you know, he's just hysterical. You know,
Speaker 1: he's you know, Olivian Stitches. I mean, he's unbelievable, He's
Speaker 1: he's funny, all right. I don't know that. I'd love
Speaker 1: to find out not going to happen, but I guess
Speaker 1: I'll take your word for it. Yeah, mclove. I mean,
Speaker 1: we found out that Nick Saban is making profane jokes
Speaker 1: all throughout your practice. But I feel like I have
Speaker 1: a little more of what his personality is when Nick
Speaker 1: Saban comes on this show, I think he allows me
Speaker 1: that because Mike Shashevski the same way. They have to
Speaker 1: allow me in, and once they do, then it feels
Speaker 1: like it's fair game. I can have a conversation. But
Speaker 1: until then they might not be really approachable or allow
Speaker 1: me to ask certain questions. I'm asking questions to coach
Speaker 1: k or Nick Saban that if you said ten years ago,
Speaker 1: I'm asking them, I would have said no, probably can't
Speaker 1: get away with that. But they've allowed me that opportunity.
Speaker 1: And that's the key with anybody you interview, if they
Speaker 1: allow you in. I always go back to when Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan would win those championships and he would come in.
Speaker 1: He knew that I was going to ask him questions,
Speaker 1: have fun with him, and that I didn't look at
Speaker 1: this is oh my gosh, you're up here, I'm down here.
Speaker 1: It was he came in to our studio d ESPN.
Speaker 1: He was on my level. Now when he left, we
Speaker 1: were on different levels. But when he was in there
Speaker 1: allowed me on his level. Therefore, you can ask these questions,
Speaker 1: and when you get that opportunity, that's when you get answers.
Speaker 1: In return. Yean Mclub. One guy who always schuck me
Speaker 1: anything incredibly different with you. Chip Kelly, the LLA coach.
Speaker 1: When he took over the Philadphia Eagles, I was like,
Speaker 1: that is a completely different person than the one I
Speaker 1: know on the show. Yep. When he has come on
Speaker 1: since he's gone to UCLA, he's a different guy. He
Speaker 1: is funny, but he has to allow you in. All
Speaker 1: of these big names. It doesn't matter if it's coaches,
Speaker 1: GMS owners. If they don't let you in, it doesn't matter.
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Speaker 1: probably not going to have Kawhi Leonard the entire season,
Speaker 1: So the Clipper is going to rely on Paul George
Speaker 1: a whole lot more. Thought the Joker would be suspended
Speaker 1: for a game, that's what he got. And you look
Speaker 1: at that play with Mark Keith Morris. It's a cheap
Speaker 1: shot by Morris that led to the cheap shot by Jokich.
Speaker 1: But you know, Morris turns around if I hit you
Speaker 1: then and I want to square off with you, I
Speaker 1: don't turn my back now. It doesn't mean what the
Speaker 1: Joker did was it was irresponsible. You know, it's a
Speaker 1: cheap shot. Absolutely, so he got fined and he got suspended,
Speaker 1: and rightfully so Morris got fine, I think fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: But you know, the Heat are talking tough. And now
Speaker 1: you know Jokich, his brothers they got on Twitter. They
Speaker 1: weren't even on Twitter. They went on Twitter just to
Speaker 1: respond to the Miami Heat, just to say, oh, you
Speaker 1: got a problem with our brother. Okay, we're on Twitter
Speaker 1: just for this reason alone. But I agree with Shack
Speaker 1: and Charles Barkley. If you're a tough guy, Morris and
Speaker 1: you do a cheap shot with the MVP. Don't turn
Speaker 1: your back, all right, if you if you fould him,
Speaker 1: you meant to foul him. It was a cheap shot.
Speaker 1: Don't turn your back. It doesn't validate what the joker did,
Speaker 1: but I do understand that he did retaliate that way.
Speaker 1: You turn your back, don't say all you hit me
Speaker 1: with my back turn. Don't turn your back if you're
Speaker 1: gonna give me a cheap shot late in the game
Speaker 1: where the game is out of hand. Yeah, Paul, I
Speaker 1: just saw the picture of Yogi. His brothers they're the
Speaker 1: same size as him. Would add about another twenty pounds
Speaker 1: of muscle Strahanya Yogic. I would sign him out the Celtics.
Speaker 1: He's huge. They look like that they would be in
Speaker 1: a Guy Ritchie movie. Yeah, like you just say, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't want to mess with these guys. Yes, Ton
Speaker 1: and Marcus Mars Marcus brother kind of hinted like, I
Speaker 1: guess we'll see you the day after Christmas Day? Nuggets
Speaker 1: at Clippers December twenty sixth. Will he do some of
Speaker 1: the stick up? Brother? I know, I know that this
Speaker 1: is all they talk tough. Well, is the winner going
Speaker 1: to fight Jake Paul next. I mean, come on, let's
Speaker 1: go move on. Cheap shot, cheap shot, shut up, shut up,
Speaker 1: let's go. Can they spend so much time acting like
Speaker 1: they're tough now, I don't want anything to happen on
Speaker 1: the floor because I believe me live through the Kermit
Speaker 1: Washington punch with Rudy tom Janovic and it nearly killed him.
Speaker 1: We don't need it. But that's why when these guys
Speaker 1: talk tough, you should just show them the video of
Speaker 1: that's what happens when it goes bad. That's when it
Speaker 1: really goes bad. So you don't like it. Push Like
Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler once the joker outside, he said, come on,
Speaker 1: let's go outside. He got fined too, Like, just play basketball.
Speaker 1: You're gonna stand up your guy. You know. The first
Speaker 1: thing I'd say is, yeah, you know, Marquis shouldn't have
Speaker 1: taken a cheap shot at the League MVP. The League MVP,
Speaker 1: That's where I would start. But yeah, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of tough guy talk all the time. And it's not
Speaker 1: like the Morris Is where you go, oh wow, they
Speaker 1: they don't usually get involved in stuff like this. Oh
Speaker 1: that's really a surprise. The reason why they're in the
Speaker 1: league is because they're enforcers, and the joker is that's
Speaker 1: not who he is. I mean, he was really apologetic
Speaker 1: after the game. I mean he was he was contrite.
Speaker 1: He was apologetic. Hey, you know that never should have happened.
Speaker 1: And he's right. But you know, everybody talking tough here,
Speaker 1: by the way, Scottie Pippen. I don't know if Scott's
Speaker 1: gonna sell a lot of books, but he's certainly had
Speaker 1: an opportunity to take some shots at at Michael Jordan.
Speaker 1: And he did a one on one interview which EQ magazine,
Speaker 1: and he talked about how everybody thinks Michael Jordan carried
Speaker 1: the bulls. I'm talking about the press who feels that
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan was carrying the bulls in the nineties. Well,
Speaker 1: if my mind and my record is straight, Tony Kucoach
Speaker 1: is a Hall of famer, Dennis Rottman is a Hall
Speaker 1: of famer, Scottie Pippen is a Hall of famer, and
Speaker 1: I expect somewhere down the road that Hard Grant will
Speaker 1: be a Hall of Fame. Now, yeah, I mean, he's
Speaker 1: got a point, But Michael did pay Scotty the ultimate
Speaker 1: compliment he did say, I never would have won these
Speaker 1: titles without you. That's not good enough. You know Scotty
Speaker 1: was embarrassed with the last dance. I don't know what
Speaker 1: Scotty thought it was going to be like, unless you
Speaker 1: know he didn't read Michael or misread him. This is
Speaker 1: about Mike. Mike wanted to let everybody know, remind people,
Speaker 1: and then introduce himself to a whole new generation. Hey,
Speaker 1: you guys think Lebron is creeping up on me and
Speaker 1: you think he's the greatest. You think he's the goat,
Speaker 1: the king, the chosen scoreboard. Hey, let me tell you
Speaker 1: some stories that other people, maybe your dad, grandfather probably heard.
Speaker 1: That's all. That was the timing of this. It was calculated,
Speaker 1: like everything that Michael does. Michael's not a great teammate.
Speaker 1: He wasn't. He was just and a great winner and
Speaker 1: a great basketball player. But he did need Scottie. But
Speaker 1: I don't know why Scotti is just on this revenge
Speaker 1: tour because I don't know if I feel bad for
Speaker 1: him because he should be recognized for being an unbelievable player.
Speaker 1: I do. I feel bad for him, But Mike hates
Speaker 1: weakness and he probably looks at this is weakness. He doesn't.
Speaker 1: If you stand up to Mike, he respects you. Yes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it feels like such a long time to hold onto
Speaker 1: all of that bitterness. But I wonder if Scotty was
Speaker 1: good with it until the last dance and he was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, screw this. Well, he probably didn't realize
Speaker 1: that Mike was going to take shots at him. And
Speaker 1: I do understand that side of this with Scotty, like, dude,
Speaker 1: you just said you can't win without me, and now
Speaker 1: you're taking shots at me, like you know, what the
Speaker 1: what the belief? Because like he's basically held his tongue
Speaker 1: this entire time, Occasionally it might bubble up that he's like,
Speaker 1: well that was pretty good too, you know, Scotty, he
Speaker 1: didn't really run his mouth like, you know, saying all
Speaker 1: of this stuff up until then. He got lost in
Speaker 1: all of this. He got lost in Phil Jackson, he
Speaker 1: got lost in Michael Jordan, he got lost in Dennis Rodman.
Speaker 1: You know, even Tony kup coach, he was the Jordan
Speaker 1: of Europe coming over. Scotty got lost and he didn't
Speaker 1: do anything where you went, oh my god, did you
Speaker 1: see what Scotty did? Picking up Mark Jackson full court
Speaker 1: in the NBA Finals doesn't bring out a oh my gun,
Speaker 1: but it was the turning point of the playoffs when
Speaker 1: they faced each other, or when he picked up Magic
Speaker 1: Johnson full court when they faced off in the NBA finals.
Speaker 1: Those aren't hey, you just hit a jumper to win
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