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Speaker 1: Welcome the Cannabis Talk one oh one featuring Blue and

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Speaker 1: Joe Bronde, the world's number one source for everything cannabis.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to Cannabis Talk one oh one, the

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Speaker 2: world's number one source for everything cannabis. We're here, We're

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Speaker 2: back live on the show, and today it's my turn

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Speaker 2: to host Tony. Our last show, Tony was hosting me

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Speaker 2: we got into a financial style, but today we're gonna

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Speaker 2: take it back to cannabis.

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Speaker 3: And before we do that, have you ever found yourself

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Speaker 3: caught up? You need a lawyer, Tony?

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Speaker 4: Unfortunately I have.

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Speaker 3: Well, we got the man for you.

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Speaker 2: Call our attorney, mister Freddy Sage at the Fox Firm.

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Speaker 2: He has over twenty years of experience and has become

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Speaker 2: one of the best known criminal defense firms in cannabis

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Speaker 2: law attorneys in the state of California. From low level

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Speaker 2: misdemeanors to high level felonies and any matters related to cannabis.

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Speaker 2: The Fox Firm offers a free initial consultation on all

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Speaker 4: Exits ready stage is the man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's very knowledgeable. Check him out. This dude knows

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Speaker 2: everyone as.

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Speaker 4: Well he does.

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Speaker 2: He sure does, Tony. We're gonna be talking about some

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Speaker 2: juicy cannabis stories. Medmen first and foremost massive player in

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Speaker 2: the industry, and they just filed for bankruptcy. Before we

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Speaker 2: get into that, I first want to ask you a

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Speaker 2: couple of questions.

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Speaker 3: Tony.

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Speaker 2: It's been about a year since you joined cannabis talk.

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Speaker 2: Tell me how you're feeling. You know, you run the

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Speaker 2: you run a financial Friday show in front of the camera,

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Speaker 2: a whole bunch You're going to a whole bunch of events.

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Speaker 2: You're in the cannabis industry. Now, what's your thoughts and

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Speaker 5: Well, I gotta say I'm a little disappointed at your

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Speaker 5: introduction to me, Connor. I expect a little bit more hype.

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Speaker 5: You're like, yeah, this is just Tony woo poo poop

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Speaker 5: this and that bro like I was expecting, like you know,

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Speaker 5: investor boom boop boop, and you just fucking low key candle.

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Speaker 3: I can't spoil the ending there's a lot.

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Speaker 5: Of Tony's out there, bro introduce me, tell the people

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Speaker 2: I can't spoil the ending, however, let me let's run

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Speaker 2: it back for the sake of Tony. Here, I have

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Speaker 2: next to me, Yes, Tony Kasai, the insider investor of

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Speaker 2: Financial Friday here at C two one to one. He

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Speaker 2: has vast financial experience across Wall Street, whole different different

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Speaker 2: pools of finances. You can ask him pretty much any

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Speaker 2: question and he probably has a wise answer for you. Tony,

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Speaker 2: thank you for joining the show.

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Speaker 5: Well, thank you, Connor, I appreciate that organ it no, man,

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Speaker 5: I'm just teasing you. Yeah, But you know, it's been

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Speaker 5: a it's been definitely an interesting ride. You know, if

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Speaker 5: I look back on my life twenty four to thirty

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Speaker 5: is definitely been eye opening. It's just been, you know,

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Speaker 5: I think that the that the dispensary owners, the growers,

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Speaker 4: So it's been interesting seeing this ride up and.

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Speaker 5: Down, and you know, it's been an honor to be

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Speaker 2: Got It, Got It four years ago, so you've you've

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Speaker 3: It's a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's ups and downs, you know, positive negatives,

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Speaker 5: So you know, and you've gone through a lot of

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Speaker 2: Definitely in a shout out to everyone here. You know,

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Speaker 3: You're brought to make it uh past mistakes. You know,

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Speaker 3: I've had some blunders. I've had some blunders.

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Speaker 4: Think about Connors.

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Speaker 5: He gets blamed for shit that has nothing wrong with him,

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Speaker 5: has nothing to do with them, and he'll just get

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Speaker 3: Charge it to the game. Baby.

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Speaker 2: But we're here on the Cannabis Talk one on one

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Speaker 2: flagship show, so let's talk about some cannabis real quick.

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Speaker 4: Let's do so.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: The quick headline was that Medmen files for bankruptcy five

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Speaker 2: years after their three billion dollar valuation and left with

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Speaker 2: a hefty debt of four hundred and nineteen million in liabilities.

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Speaker 2: Tony just face value with the article title as a

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Speaker 5: Gosh, man, There's so many different directions to go on that,

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Speaker 5: sharing with you how Till Ray had invested. If I'm

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Speaker 6: When you know though real quick, Tony, you know, and

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Speaker 6: there's a lot of bad actors out there that run

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Speaker 6: It said, that's a lot of brands not going to

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Speaker 6: And that seems to be a very common theme stream.

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Speaker 6: While it's poor management for sure, one of them, right,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's a little bit more complex.

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Speaker 5: Everything he's saying is accurate, but I think on a

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Speaker 5: So what you just read right now is that border

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Speaker 5: As well as every other vendor, like you said, everybody

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Speaker 5: But as a consumer, you know, again not to take

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Speaker 5: But the positive is, I do think, and I'm probably

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Speaker 4: They're going to get paid.

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Speaker 5: Receivable it's gonna it's gonna it's going to increase as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and to answer your question real quick, you know,

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Speaker 3: So on April twenty third, twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: The company's fully owned subsidiary, med Bend Canada, USA and

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Speaker 2: So that's how it's being handled here in California.

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Speaker 3: It's been the med met story. Tony. Thank you for

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Speaker 5: You know, we try to stay neutral here on the show.

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Speaker 4: Of what the reality is.

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Speaker 4: So that's the clickbait.

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Speaker 5: It's really easy, mister President, just reclassify it, or better yet,

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Speaker 5: I think there was less than thirty or forty pardoned

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Speaker 3: Yah?

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Speaker 4: And it is a campaign point here.

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Speaker 5: I mean, they always talk about it right six months

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Speaker 5: They figure that they forged the stones, have a short

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Speaker 5: literally sitting in prison for something that people are making

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Speaker 5: money off of it. It pisses me off every time

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Speaker 5: I think about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, there's not.

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Speaker 2: A whole lot of discourse to be able to, you know,

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Speaker 2: talk about this other than like, you know, we see

446
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Speaker 2: through it, nothing's really going to change. You have to ask,

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Speaker 2: like what is motivating them to change it? And obviously

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Speaker 2: there's not a whole lot because it hasn't gotten changed,

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Speaker 2: and so that's you know, that's what makes it look

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Speaker 2: bleak to me is that you know, they have no

451
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Speaker 2: reason to go ahead and fix it right now.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, what was bleak for me is I think I

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Speaker 5: mentioned this on a previous show as well, where we

454
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Speaker 5: were at a Master Mentor's live event down in Texas

455
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Speaker 5: and I learned for the first time the actual class

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Speaker 5: scheduling of these drugs. And to think that the US

457
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Speaker 5: government and the health agencies are saying that that heroin

458
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Speaker 5: and oxy and fentanyl is actually safer for you than marijuana,

459
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Speaker 5: and then cigarettes and alcohol aren't even on that scheduling class.

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Speaker 5: So it's it is quite mind blogging. And then to

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Speaker 5: find out that it's only been less than five or

462
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Speaker 5: call it less than ten years that we've been even

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Speaker 5: able to use medical using studies, federally funded studies to

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Speaker 5: study the health effects of marijuana. The fact that that's

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Speaker 5: less than ten year olds. There's a lot of it

466
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Speaker 5: that really when you go down those rabbit holes, they

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Speaker 5: are eye opening.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I mean I've as you know, Tony, I

470
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Speaker 2: go down my rabbit holes quite a bit, and you know,

471
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Speaker 2: it all starts to add up and you kind of

472
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Speaker 2: see the picture they've painted with it, and you know,

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Speaker 2: I don't feel confident, at least in the next five

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Speaker 2: years that it'll get done, Like I you know, I

475
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Speaker 2: just don't think it's that important to him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I think that when it will get done, it will

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Speaker 5: take a candidate that really stands on that from his opening,

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Speaker 5: you know, from the point where he gets elected all

480
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Speaker 5: the way then not just focuses on it the last

481
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Speaker 5: six months of his cycle.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And that's something that unfortunately all parties have been guilty of,

484
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Speaker 5: going all the way back to the Clinton days to

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Speaker 5: Obama to Bush. Like it just doesn't seem like it's

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Speaker 5: a priority. There are you know, and it's not those individuals.

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Speaker 5: It's as you know, big pharma. Another fun fact that

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Speaker 5: I learned is like pharmaceutical companies represent like seventy five

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Speaker 5: percent of the advertising done right now on traditional media.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so really, ye whose insane?

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Speaker 2: It's cooked with the pharma ads like it, like the

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Speaker 2: whole every Hulu break.

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Speaker 3: It's just a list of side effects.

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Speaker 4: That's it.

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Speaker 5: So the interesting thing of it was, dude, and this

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Speaker 5: one actually I don't think most people know. Turns out

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Speaker 5: that when you ask a farmer rep like how much

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Speaker 5: of your celles do you do? You see an increase

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Speaker 5: in sales whenever you advertise, for example, Propecia right on

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Speaker 5: a commercials saying hey, ask your doctor, and they said,

501
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Speaker 5: we see zero correlation, Like how often do you go

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Speaker 5: to the doctor and say, hey, doctor, I saw this

503
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Speaker 5: commercial for me me box wan me Right, it turns

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Speaker 5: out it's actually negative one percent. It's not even a

505
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Speaker 5: measurable quantity of difference between advertising that they'll spend for

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Speaker 5: you to go. So then the question becomes, why are

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Speaker 5: they spending these tens of hundreds of millions of dollars?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 5: The answer turns out because seventy five percent of the

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Speaker 5: media companies from all Fox, CNN or whatever, it doesn't

511
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Speaker 5: matter which brand you're on, but because they're heavily being

512
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Speaker 5: able to get influenced by them, right, they just want

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Speaker 5: the influencing dollars. They look at it as a lobbying

514
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Speaker 5: budget to control the media. And that's why the narrative

515
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Speaker 5: on the media is like, hey, don't talk about it,

516
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Speaker 5: talk about it like this, push this one, push this narrative,

517
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Speaker 5: because that's how they control the media. It's not that

518
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Speaker 5: they're trying to sell those individual pills or they don't

519
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Speaker 5: need you to go ask your doctor for it. That's

520
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Speaker 5: just the way they're spending their advertising dollars, which is

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Speaker 5: really eye opening. And that's when you realize to our point,

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Speaker 5: and going back to this conversation, it's that there is

523
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Speaker 5: a higher agenda and it's typically controlled by big Pharma

524
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Speaker 5: and the cigarette companies and the alcohol companies and all

525
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Speaker 5: these other companies that are trying to tell you that

526
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Speaker 5: this plan.

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Speaker 8: Is so bad for sure, Tony, I have a question.

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Speaker 4: I got an answer.

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Speaker 8: Who do you who? Exactly do you think they're marketing exactly?

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Speaker 8: Because if you're talking about like daytime television or something,

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Speaker 8: most people are at work, so you're talking about people

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Speaker 8: who might be retired.

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Speaker 5: Or see, that's where you already you're already going down

534
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Speaker 5: the wrong thing, right, They don't give a shit who's

535
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Speaker 5: watching bro, they don't give a shit what channel it is.

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Speaker 5: They don't give a shit what Like I said, they've

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Speaker 5: they've understood. Now we've proven that the point of that

538
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Speaker 5: commercial is not for you to go ask your doctor

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Speaker 5: for that pill. In fact, they've seen zero return on

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Speaker 5: their dollars for that. The only reason they're putting on

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Speaker 5: those commercials, it's because that's how they're funneling billions of

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Speaker 5: dollars to the TV stations and the media companies. Now,

543
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Speaker 5: when they have an agenda that they want you to enforce,

544
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Speaker 5: i e. Perhaps getting vaccinated or the next thing that

545
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Speaker 5: comes down the line, they control the narrative. They tell

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Speaker 5: you what's safe and what's saying if they start skewing

547
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Speaker 5: the statistics, and and the reason they're able to do

548
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 5: that is because big farm is like, hey, listen, we

549
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 5: gave you a billion dollars last year. They can't just

550
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Speaker 5: cut a check. So, in essence, the media companies have

551
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Speaker 5: become a lobbying arm of big pharma. Does that make sense?

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Speaker 8: Absolutely?

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Speaker 5: So, that's why you will see those commercials even even

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Speaker 5: during the Super Bowl. But i'd venture even outside of

555
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 5: the dick pills, like, you're not really going to see that,

556
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Speaker 5: and there's numerous studies been done by now it's no

557
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Speaker 5: big secret anymore that they have zero desire for you

558
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Speaker 5: to go ask your doctor for a specific pill.

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Speaker 8: I agree you No, I just wanted to say that

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Speaker 8: views shared on this show do not reflect the things

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Speaker 8: on this company. So uh yeah, back to you guys.

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Speaker 4: It's my legal counsel at the back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I gotta put the you.

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Speaker 4: Gotta take a break down.

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Speaker 7: What's good?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess we will take a break Tony. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for shedding again your expertise on the situation. When

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Speaker 2: we come back, we're gonna talking about brit Griner and

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Speaker 2: if you remember, Brittany Griner had a little exchange in

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Speaker 2: Russia for some cannabis.

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Speaker 3: But let me come back.

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Speaker 5: last bus tour here where we had all our students

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Speaker 5: from Master Mentors come, he had one of his machines

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Speaker 5: out here.

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Speaker 4: We were able to make our own gummies in house.

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Speaker 5: And guys, if you do want to get into the space,

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Speaker 5: the non canvas space.

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Speaker 4: But it's a phenomenal piece of machinery. Make sure you

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Speaker 4: check them out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it breaks down the barrier to entry

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Speaker 3: pretty quickly.

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Speaker 5: Sure as heck does. Man, I mean that thing cranks out.

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Speaker 5: I think our lowest model that's like less than five grand,

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Speaker 5: out like eight thousand gummies an hour if I'm not

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Speaker 5: mistaken or some Definitely it's in the thousands.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, ten thousand they have. They have multiple different levels.

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Speaker 2: Shout out to Ian, we love.

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Speaker 3: You, Tony.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna we're gonna talk about Brittany Griner. Okay, some

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Speaker 2: WNBA slash, some Russian conviction situation going down.

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Speaker 5: So for people who don't know, remember that if you remember,

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Speaker 5: she's a WNBA player. I believe she plays for the

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Speaker 5: Sparks and she was traveling on a basketball trip and

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Speaker 5: she gets caught with just a vape.

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Speaker 4: Garbage vape garbage vape cartridge in her luggage.

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Speaker 3: Well, she had she had quite a few cartridges she did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so basically she during the off season of WNBA,

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Speaker 2: since they don't get paid a whole lot in the WNBA,

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Speaker 2: they go over to Russia and go and get a

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Speaker 2: bag real quick because the seasons are different and it's

632
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Speaker 2: pretty competitive over there as well. So you know it

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Speaker 2: is you know, let's just get right into it. You know,

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Speaker 2: she knew what she was doing. Like obviously she's coming

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Speaker 2: out to the press and like she's blaming it on

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Speaker 2: a mental lapse that you know, she got caught with

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Speaker 2: all of it. You know, you don't go into a

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Speaker 2: foreign country like Russia and break their fucking laws as

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Speaker 2: an American, Like you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: Like that is especially knowing where we are in the

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Speaker 5: conversation with Russia right now that they got a heart

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Speaker 5: on for us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, okay, maybe back in twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 2: maybe it wasn't the biggest.

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Speaker 3: As big of a deal as this.

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Speaker 2: However, they put the clamps down on her and they

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Speaker 2: sense her at nine years in prison in one of

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Speaker 2: the most brutal prisons in Russia, where you know, you

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Speaker 2: just have a serious lack of human rights and it

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Speaker 2: was looking very very ill fated for her.

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Speaker 3: For you know, the nine year sentence.

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Speaker 2: However, we had the wise idea to trade the angel

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Speaker 2: of Death for her freedom, which you know, ultimately I'm

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Speaker 2: glad she's free. However, that could have been a lot

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Speaker 2: better of a negotiation.

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Speaker 5: Don't you think, man, you were really going to make

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Speaker 5: this audience think I'm right wing. No, you know, it's

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Speaker 5: not about politics again, guys, And for me, I really

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Speaker 5: hope that for those of you who just think that

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Speaker 5: I swing one way or the other from listening to

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Speaker 5: my show or this show. To me, it's the facts

662
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 5: and the reality and the things that pisses me off.

663
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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 5: You can look on the surface and say, this is

665
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Speaker 5: an African American lesbian professional NBA basketball player. Nobody should

666
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,239
Speaker 5: be in prison for the plan. I don't care what

667
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 5: country you're in right now. To your point, she's over there,

668
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 5: she knows what she's doing. Where it pisses me off,

669
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 5: and the politics of this pisses me off is we

670
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 5: went out, we traded this horrid person for her. I

671
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 5: think we added a couple other people to the pilot,

672
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 5: but we know already about this, and we don't negotiate

673
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 5: very well. Whoever's in charge of negotiating, and it's not Biden,

674
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 5: but whoever's negotiating is but on his behalf absolutely is

675
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 5: a Horde negotiator. We saw what happened and again to

676
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 5: stand with us just pulling out there last second, so

677
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 5: we already know we're not making decisions right. But here's

678
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 5: the thing that pisses me off Google right now. How

679
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 5: many people are in stuck in Russia for the same thing.

680
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,479
Speaker 5: There's a principle of a school sixty seven year old man,

681
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 5: if I'm not mistaken, who's still sitting in Jill who

682
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 5: was there three years before this gal was for the

683
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 5: same exact defense. He got caught with the vappin. He

684
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 5: has chronic back pain and he uses it for his

685
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 5: back pain, and he got caught there for the same reason.

686
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 5: He was a bilingual instructor out there. They arrest him

687
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 5: up and he still has seven years. We didn't include

688
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 5: him and the negotiations. We didn't say, hey, give us,

689
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 5: give us back all the people that are there for

690
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 5: the same offense that were not criminals, don't have a

691
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 5: criminal history. All we focused on was what would get

692
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 5: this gentleman or whoever is trying to, you know, get

693
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 5: credit for it. And that's the part that pisses me off.

694
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 5: Should she be there, No, but if we're going to go,

695
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 5: she had on her behalf. And now what pisses me

696
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 5: off about her she has failed to mention any one

697
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 5: of these other people. Since she's been out, she's now

698
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 5: more worried about covering her ass instead of raising awareness

699
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,959
Speaker 5: to that cause. So that's why you know, I'm not

700
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 5: I'm not a fan of hers because of that. I

701
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 5: take it personally that she's left fellow comrades, you know,

702
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 5: there to vanquish, and you know she's an American, they're Americans.

703
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 5: They're there for the same offense. Why is she any

704
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 5: better than anybody else other than the fact that it's

705
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 5: going to get a few more press articles for the

706
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 5: politicians involved.

707
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Speaker 8: In His name is Mark Vogel? By the way, thank

708
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 8: you Mark Vogel.

709
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Speaker 5: Mark Vogel, there's there's several of us free Mark Vogel's.

710
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 4: Why Why isn't she wearing that T shirt on every interview?

711
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,959
Speaker 4: Why is it? Why is it stration focusing on him? Next?

712
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 5: Why do we selectively not just prosecute, but then selectively

713
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 5: pick people that we want to, you know, put on

714
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 5: a pedestal and make a counter example of and then

715
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 5: let all these other brothers and sisters vanquish that. That

716
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 5: shit just pisses me off. And if I ever got

717
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 5: a chance to meet her or interview or I would

718
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 5: ask her that point, Blake, And I don't think she

719
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 5: has an answer to that other than she just doesn't

720
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 5: want to get caught up in the politics of it.

721
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and ultimately, you know, I get it.

722
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 2: I get where she's coming from.

723
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Speaker 3: Like and it was a traumatizing experience.

724
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 4: However, with something, was it Mark Vogel.

725
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Speaker 3: He said, yeah, Mark Vogel, Let's let's.

726
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 4: Take this operating to shine some attention to work.

727
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Speaker 8: Fogel focal, Mr C. Fogel. Fogel. So, he's a sixty

728
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 8: one year old who got arrested for cannabis in Russia

729
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 8: and he's still there. They gave him fourteen years.

730
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Speaker 3: I believe.

731
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Speaker 4: You see that man.

732
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Speaker 2: He was arrested in twenty August twenty twenty one by

733
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 2: Russian authorities for trying to enter Russia with seventeen grams

734
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 2: of medical marijuana.

735
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 5: And the last article, if you push it in Google News,

736
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 5: it's December twenty twenty three. Nobody's talking about it, nobody's

737
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 5: put that on a T shirt, nobody's protesting in the streets.

738
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Speaker 4: How is she any different than he is? You know

739
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 4: what I mean? Why because she's a basketball player?

740
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 2: Come on, man, So let me there's a timeline of

741
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,479
Speaker 2: you know, once he got imprisoned and after the fact.

742
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 2: So in August twenty twenty one, Fogel was entering Russia

743
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 2: through customs at cher Matievo Airport, Sorry for butchering that

744
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 2: went around. Half an ounce of medical marijuana was found

745
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 2: in his luggage. The substance has been prescribed to him

746
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 2: in the United States to treat chronic paint. In June

747
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, Fogel was convicted of drug trafficking and

748
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 2: sentenced to fourteen years in prison. In October twenty twenty two,

749
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 2: he was transferred from a detention center in Moscow to

750
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Speaker 2: a penal colony where he will serve the remainder of

751
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Speaker 2: his sentence. A bipartisan group of United States senators have

752
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 2: lobbied for the State Department to designate Fogel as a

753
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 2: wrongfully detained In twenty twenty two, a petition was initiated

754
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,919
Speaker 2: on change dot org calling for Fogel's freedom and urging

755
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 2: the Biden administration to designate him as wrongfully detained. And

756
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 2: that is, you know, the current timeline. So there's not

757
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 2: much updated news.

758
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 5: April seventeen of this year. You know, you got his

759
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,399
Speaker 5: poor mom sitting here begging Biden for us release, saying, hey,

760
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 5: you know, don't forget about him.

761
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 4: He's still there too.

762
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Speaker 5: But but yeah, you know, these are exactly parallel cases

763
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Speaker 5: he had.

764
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 4: He had way more bodily.

765
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Speaker 5: He's had three back surgeries, two knee, one hip replacement,

766
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 5: and one rotary cup surgery. He literally was using cannabis for.

767
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 4: Pain, yeah, to get at the end of the day.

768
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 4: And he was out in Moscow.

769
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Speaker 5: This was his last year that he was going to

770
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 5: teach out there, and he was going to come back

771
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 5: home and retire. He's a graduate of Penn State. So

772
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 5: just a you know, on the surface and not a

773
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 5: bad dude. Everything was no different than a WNBA player.

774
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Speaker 1: Man.

775
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Speaker 8: You know, Russian prisons or no joke either. They're like

776
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 8: they call them penal colonies, right yeah, and they're like

777
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 8: worse than the Soviet era gulags. And I'm sure you

778
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 8: all you cod players at home with the log like

779
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 8: you don't want to be there. And they're just known

780
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 8: for like intensive labor, all kinds of crazy stuff. Some

781
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 8: just just the most terrible things that you could have.

782
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 5: Their labor camps, That's what I said. It's forced labor

783
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 5: camps and uh. And you know, in addition to that,

784
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 5: what's interesting is they use a lot of those. They

785
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 5: give them basically ninety nine percent of their sentence waived

786
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 5: if they go fight on the front lines, and then

787
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 5: they just go stick them. It's not funny, but you

788
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 5: know in their war with Ukraine and then they just

789
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 5: those are the.

790
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 4: First ones that die.

791
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 5: They almost sacrifice these dudes and and give them these

792
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 5: shitty deals to go in the front lines. But to

793
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 5: your point, Daniel, yeah, they are definitely hell holes.

794
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 8: Now do you agree that places like this should I

795
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 8: think I personally agree that places like that should probably exist,

796
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 8: But not for cannabis. Definitely, not just because I got

797
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 8: an eighth the butt On vacation, I'm about to go

798
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 8: to Moscow and party and drink like vodka and fucking

799
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 8: smoke joints and shit.

800
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Speaker 5: You know, I think to Connor's point, man, I think

801
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 5: you got to, you know, be aware. Yeah, it's a balance,

802
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 5: and I think a celebrity, you know, there's no excuse

803
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 5: for celebrity, especially she knows the rules they man. I've

804
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 5: you know, I've had pro athletes as clients before they

805
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 5: get training on which states they are going into, which

806
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 5: countries they're going to, what the laws are, what they

807
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 5: should do to prepare for that. So she this wasn't

808
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 5: news to her. This wasn't something that got sprung on her.

809
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 5: As you guys know, I've shared it a few times.

810
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 5: I got stuck in Texas with the exact same thing

811
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 5: of eight pen They consider that a felony in Texas.

812
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 5: Did it suck, Yes? Did I bitch about it? Yeah,

813
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 5: But at the end of the day, I knew the rules.

814
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 5: You know, I broke the rules. I had to face

815
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 5: the consequences. And I don't think I should be treated

816
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 5: any different because I have a little bit more of

817
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,959
Speaker 5: a voice, if you will, than any other other kids

818
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 5: that I met in there. So we all abide by

819
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 5: the same rules. And now, do I think she was

820
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 5: singled out? Absolutely? Do I think that everybody's luggage would

821
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 5: have been scoured as detailed as hers? Work, Probably not

822
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 5: but again, we're in a geopolitical war as America. We

823
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 5: go out, we start a lot of shit, and we

824
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 5: get a lot of other countries pissed off at us.

825
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 5: And and I think the lesson from this for the

826
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 5: listeners is be really aware of which states, which countries

827
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 5: where you're traveling to. You know, you go to Indonesia,

828
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 5: you go to Thailand, you go to a lot of

829
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 5: these places. Indonesia specifically. Man, you know, you get cent

830
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 5: way to prison Singapore. I think it's a life sentence

831
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 5: for a joint. I mean, there are some countries out

832
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 5: there that are really really out there, and yeah, it sucks.

833
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: Man.

834
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 5: We can't go out and fix the whole world. But

835
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 5: if we're traveling, you got to know the rules and

836
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:40,720
Speaker 5: you've got to be prepared.

837
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, you can't expect a culture to conform to

838
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 2: the views of your own, you know what I'm saying,

839
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,760
Speaker 2: Like whether it's right or wrong. You know, I can't

840
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: go into you know, Russia is literally the perfect example

841
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 2: to like, you know, everyone knows their view on cannabis.

842
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 2: Are I'm sure you know the American passport lights up

843
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 2: like a Christmas tree in their system. Britney Griner's a

844
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: WNBA player with celebrity status, So like you just have

845
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 2: to consider all these factors that you yourself are going

846
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: into when you go and travel and weigh it accordingly.

847
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,479
Speaker 2: Like there's no right answer wrong answer to like bring

848
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 2: stuff or not bring stuff, but like you know, you

849
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: got to be careful.

850
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 5: We look at them as they're crazy, and they're looking

851
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 5: at us so like they're like, well, you let child

852
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 5: molesters out after two years, you know, you give them

853
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 5: therapy and all this shit, whereas in other countries that's

854
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,919
Speaker 5: a life sentence. So you know, like to your point,

855
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 5: it's a cultural thing, and it's if that's the rules

856
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 5: that they got, it's your choice when you go there

857
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 5: how you want to handle it, and the consequences are

858
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 5: the consequences. But definitely the politics involved on our side,

859
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 5: it's nauseating when you look at our you know, we're

860
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 5: prioritizing professional basketball players over instructors and people that are

861
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 5: actually teaching children in schools. And you know, she came back,

862
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 5: she got to play basketball. That dude still still stuck

863
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 5: up there most likely is going to die, according to

864
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 5: his mom. So it's it's an to think about it.

865
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 5: I think I think, you know, hard questions should be

866
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 5: asked by the politicians. They're going to answer around these

867
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 5: kind of questions. But there's a reality to the policies

868
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 5: that we make and the policies that.

869
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 4: We enforce in our selective prosecution on them.

870
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Speaker 8: How do you gentlemen feel about the Thailand situation being

871
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 8: the first country in Asia to fully decriminalize cannabis in

872
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 8: twenty twenty two, but now they're actually banning recreational cannabis

873
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 8: by twenty twenty.

874
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're going through an election right now, and I

875
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 2: think the current administration wants to go both wreck and medicinal,

876
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 2: and then the challenging administration in the election wants it

877
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Speaker 2: to be just medicinal, not recreational. So you know, we

878
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Speaker 2: got to wait until their election goes down. I don't

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00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 2: know an exact date on when that is happening. However,

880
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 2: either way, Thailand's pushing with the cannabis game. You know,

881
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Speaker 2: you just keep hearing more and more come out of there,

882
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Speaker 2: like a lot of news stories. You know, we got,

883
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Speaker 2: we got some shit pushing out there, you know, the

884
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Speaker 2: whole the whole night.

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Speaker 5: I think I echo your thoughts completely. I think it's

886
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 5: always goes back to politics. Every time you see any

887
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Speaker 5: kind of dramatic change in legislation where they.

888
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Speaker 4: Go from completely illegal to fully legal.

889
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Speaker 5: To now swinging the pendulum so dramatically again so fast.

890
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Speaker 5: It's one hundred percent politically connected. I think the geo

891
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 5: positioning of Thailand where it is in relation to Indonesia,

892
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 5: some of these other predominantly Muslim countries or strict countries

893
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 5: like Singapore and certain parts of Asia, I think it's

894
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 5: all correlated. I do think just like in this country,

895
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Speaker 5: money dictates politics and politics dictate the laws. And it

896
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Speaker 5: would not surprise me if to Connor's point, you know

897
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Speaker 5: the new by no means do I know enough about

898
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Speaker 5: their politics, But it would surprise me if the new

899
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Speaker 5: potential president or whatever they're called over their prime minister

900
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Speaker 5: is is aligned with a certain you know, company or

901
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 5: something that needs it to be a certain way as opposed.

902
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Speaker 4: To the other.

903
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, there's there's always some backscratching going on.

904
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 5: You know, like I feel like they are where we

905
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 5: were call it twenty years ago, where certain states were

906
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 5: going to do it, certain states weren't, and they're kind

907
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 5: of trying to jockey in position and I you know,

908
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Speaker 5: from what we know, we have some friends out in

909
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Speaker 5: Thailand and we've been launching the Cannabis Stock magazine out

910
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Speaker 5: in Thailand, but it's it was kind of a free

911
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Speaker 5: for all there really fast. And I think a lot

912
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 5: of operators here were either even starting to launch the

913
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Speaker 5: brands out there. So it'll be interesting to see what

914
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Speaker 5: happens out there. Man, if I'm not mistaken, that part

915
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Speaker 5: of the world, that is probably the most aggressive legalization

916
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Speaker 5: that we saw.

917
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Speaker 4: Correct, would you say.

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Speaker 3: Uh, it was?

919
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 2: It ramped up pretty quickly. I can't say for certain,

920
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Speaker 2: but I'd say so given the timeframe, Like it took

921
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Speaker 2: us a pretty damn long time to get where we are.

922
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Speaker 2: And like I think about it also, like imagine if you.

923
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Speaker 3: Know, we were.

924
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Speaker 2: You know, not fifty states, and we were you know,

925
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Speaker 2: a smaller country, like it could be different, you know

926
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Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like I think it all is, there's

927
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Speaker 2: a combination of factors and luck of the draws is

928
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Speaker 2: part of it. Where you know, they have a small

929
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Speaker 2: enough population to where it works. For example, in Denmark

930
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Speaker 2: a form of communism and socialism not communism socialism, it

931
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Speaker 2: works like you know, the population is small enough to be.

932
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Speaker 3: It's all checks and balance.

933
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Speaker 5: It works in its cultural there for them, they accept it,

934
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Speaker 5: you know that. I think they're like a sixty eight

935
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Speaker 5: percent effective tax rate. So yes, by all means, Denmark

936
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Speaker 5: is a perfect textbook example of socialism. When you do

937
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Speaker 5: look at their healthcare system, however, you do kind of

938
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 5: see the adverse effects of socialism. There is still a

939
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 5: two tiered medical system there. That's what people don't understand about.

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Speaker 5: For your healthcare is, yes, it's free until you have

941
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Speaker 5: to wait six months.

942
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Speaker 3: And then you pay the premium until paige and that.

943
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Speaker 5: For a concierge doctor, because that's where they're going to

944
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Speaker 5: go make their money.

945
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Speaker 2: And that's how the NHS was when I was over

946
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Speaker 2: in the United Kingdom. Like you go into your general

947
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Speaker 2: practitioner and then you go and get checked out by them,

948
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Speaker 2: and then they refer you and they're like, oh, you

949
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 2: have to wait five six weeks and then you can

950
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Speaker 2: go get checked out and it's like, damn, I thought

951
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Speaker 2: I had meningitis.

952
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 3: Just now, like what the fuck am I supposed to do?

953
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 3: That's not six weeks.

954
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Speaker 2: So then then you go to the urgent care and

955
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 2: then they just prescribe you tail and all and they're

956
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 2: like fuck off. So you know, definitely some pros and

957
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Speaker 2: cons to it. Like I understand free healthcare and like

958
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Speaker 2: the NHS has at certain points been really good for

959
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 2: my understanding where it like it hasn't been a dysfunctional system,

960
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 2: and I think that's due to each administration. And you know,

961
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Speaker 2: there's been a lot going down over the United Kingdom

962
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Speaker 2: specifically in the past six years with Brexit, people resigning

963
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Speaker 2: from PM. Borist Johnson's crazy.

964
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Speaker 5: And when you were playing pro soccer, did you ever

965
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 5: play in Asia or was it predominantly in Europe?

966
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 2: Predominantly in Europe. I think the craziest place I went

967
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 2: to was Latvia. I played in Latvia and I got

968
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 2: to see the capital of Riga, and that was like

969
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Speaker 2: being in a time capsule, felt like I was in

970
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Speaker 2: like nineteen sixty so Union. Yeah, that's like the train

971
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: cars were like gray bubbles. It looked like a like Nuketown,

972
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 2: like like train car and they're all like beat up.

973
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 2: It's seriously, they haven't updated it since then. And like

974
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 2: right by our hotel there there was like probably one

975
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty foot tall communist you know, statue that

976
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 2: was commemorating the union, and then they took it down

977
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 2: like a few years ago over there. But Latvia is

978
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Speaker 2: probably the craziest place. Some of the boys went to

979
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Speaker 2: Slovenia and played.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, Connor.

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Speaker 5: Before we dial off, I do want to give my

982
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Speaker 5: own disclaimer because Daniel kind of got me thinking. And

983
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Speaker 5: I know I've been doing a lot of shows here now,

984
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Speaker 5: and I feel like sometimes we take these political angles,

985
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 5: but I think I want to make sure that everybody

986
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Speaker 5: does understand at home, I'm I'm down the middle. I

987
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 5: don't have one party affiliation or the other. For me, man,

988
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 5: I just want people to ask questions. I feel like

989
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 5: we've been divided as a country. I think they've kind

990
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 5: of put us into this corner, in that corner west, east, north, south,

991
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 5: whatever you want to call it.

992
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 4: But we've just.

993
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:03,280
Speaker 5: Become so polarized, so opposite. I think most ninety percent

994
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 5: of Americans kind of can agree on common sense shit

995
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 5: everything from guns to this to that. But when you

996
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 5: when you really see us pitted across each other, and

997
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 5: then I get frustrated because I got my friends on

998
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 5: the far right, I got my friends on the far left,

999
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,760
Speaker 5: and they're all just taking these positions and just refusing

1000
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 5: to budge. And my whole thing about bringing up political

1001
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 5: stuff is I try to find information that most people

1002
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Speaker 5: don't know about this gentleman, you know, who's a teacher

1003
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Speaker 5: out there, like most people. They didn't talk about that

1004
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 5: on the news. They were just so focused on Britney,

1005
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 5: Britney Brittany and then dividing it and then try to make

1006
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 5: it racial and try to make it about her sexual orientation. Yeah,

1007
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 5: and it's like, no, you know, you can speak out

1008
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 5: against the injustices of other people there without you being racist.

1009
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,760
Speaker 5: You can, you know, want to elevate these other people

1010
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 5: without making it seem it's about one thing or the other.

1011
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 5: And that's what I hope people get, at least from

1012
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 5: my show, from our shows or when you do have

1013
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 5: me on is. I think people should just ask more

1014
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 5: questions and try to try to look at it from

1015
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 5: the other side, you know, regardless of what position you

1016
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 5: have on what subject or what side. You know, if

1017
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 5: more people could put themselves into the other person's shoes

1018
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 5: and actually look at is why is that person taking

1019
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 5: that position, maybe we can all come a little bit

1020
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 5: closer down the metal.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, it's just a discourse.

1022
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 2: You know, you know, there's no no harm, no foul

1023
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:15,439
Speaker 2: with what's going down.

1024
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 3: Like obviously you don't have to agree with everything, but

1025
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 3: like you.

1026
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:22,760
Speaker 2: Said, we have strayed away far from the time where

1027
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 2: you know, you could lob up any statement and you

1028
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 2: know people could would actually think about it, like, no,

1029
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 2: what I say is not going to kill you. It is,

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00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 2: you know, not going to physically hurt you.

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Speaker 8: Just yeah, digest it.

1032
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Speaker 5: I just think about it, you know, just just a

1033
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:41,720
Speaker 5: little bit down the rabbit holes.

1034
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Speaker 2: You know, they tell you that, you know, you should

1035
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 2: always question the government. Just you know, like Tony said,

1036
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 2: ask some questions. There's nothing wrong with it, Tony. Before

1037
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Speaker 2: we get on out of here. Anything you like to say,

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Speaker 2: like the plug.

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