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Speaker 4: Happy Monday. Have an amazing show for everybody today. What

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Speaker 4: do we have Crystal?

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Speaker 1: Indeed we do. Glad to have you back, sir, very

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Speaker 1: glad to be back. We missed you on Thursday.

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Speaker 3: I had a great time down in Austin. Lex Rereabing

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Speaker 3: podcast will come out soon. I believe that Matt and

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Speaker 1: Can we reveal how long the lex rooting it is?

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Speaker 3: It clocks in around five hours, so something like that.

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Speaker 3: There are multiple bathroom breaks that we had to take

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Speaker 1: I geninitely like I think I would lose my boys up.

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Speaker 2: different Trump cabinet picks. We've got some updates for you.

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Speaker 2: There arek Junior in as nominated for HHS Secretary. We

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Speaker 2: the very latest RFK Junior being tapped for HHS Secretary.

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Speaker 2: Let's put this up on the screen. This is the

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Speaker 2: I'm thrilled to announce RFK Junior as the US Secretary

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Speaker 2: of Health and Human Services. For too long, Americans have

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Speaker 3: So these are people who are distrustful of institutions. So

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Speaker 3: of them are not even allowed to be run. So

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Speaker 3: what he I think, in practice, what it would look like,

439
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Speaker 3: is effectively allowing that and giving quote unquote choice to parents. Now,

440
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Speaker 3: obviously I understand that that is controversial because each state

441
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Speaker 3: has to grapple with religious exemption, personal exemption, health exemption,

442
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Speaker 3: the idea of her immunity, etc. But the thing is

443
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Speaker 3: is that it's already happening. The vast majority of people

444
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Speaker 3: do not trust the public health establishment after what happened

445
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Speaker 3: under COVID. I personally include myself in them. I remember

446
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Speaker 3: reading the approval process for the booster vaccine and I said,

447
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Speaker 3: this is bullshit. I can't believe that you're allowed to

448
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Speaker 3: be able to do this, and the justification was, oh, well,

449
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Speaker 3: we do it every year for the flu vaccine, and

450
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Speaker 3: I was like, okay, Well then I got some questions

451
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Speaker 3: about the flu vaccine, and I never thought about the

452
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Speaker 3: flu vaccine. I was just like, yeah, that's fine, but

453
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Speaker 3: I never considered the actual backstory and all that that

454
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Speaker 3: went into it. And you know, it's one of those

455
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Speaker 3: where the questions around it are now so mainstream. I

456
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Speaker 3: actually don't really think we have a choice to basically

457
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Speaker 3: pursue his own agenda.

458
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Speaker 4: So I am I again.

459
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Speaker 3: I think that his libertarian minded elements of wanting to

460
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Speaker 3: break up the FDA cartel how NIH works. Doctor j

461
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Speaker 3: Boticharia apparently isn't in line to lead the Internettion. I

462
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Speaker 3: think he'd be a fantastic choice, and he was a

463
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Speaker 3: good controlling voice under COVID. Basically vaccine transparency, safety and

464
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Speaker 3: efficacy data, a lot of that stuff that could be released.

465
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Speaker 4: I think it would be really good.

466
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Speaker 3: But again, think that the big tension will come with

467
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Speaker 3: any sort of European style liberalism, where this is again

468
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Speaker 3: a big part of like banning food dies and these

469
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Speaker 3: these things would increase the price or you know, everyone's like, oh,

470
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Speaker 3: the McDonald's taste better in Europe, which by the way,

471
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Speaker 3: is not true. But what they say is, you know,

472
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Speaker 3: if you go home and you look at Europe, they

473
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Speaker 3: they explicitly cap the amount of sodium they are allowed

474
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Speaker 3: to put into meat. They have very different standards about

475
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Speaker 3: the way things are now. Again, I think that's great,

476
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Speaker 3: but you know, are we going to deny that grass

477
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Speaker 3: fed you know, grass fed beef and all that is

478
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Speaker 3: not exorbitantly more expensive.

479
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Speaker 4: I buy it. I think it's definitely a way healthier.

480
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Speaker 3: But that's why you really need to think about what

481
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Speaker 3: that would impact the consumer.

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Speaker 2: That's why historically this has been a movement of like

483
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Speaker 2: wealthy white liberals.

484
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Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, in California, these are araone California shoppers.

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Speaker 2: This is why you also had you know, it's been

486
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Speaker 2: in like Hollywood where you've had people, you know, oh,

487
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Speaker 2: vaccines aren't natural, so I'm not going to get my

488
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Speaker 2: kids vaccinated, and then low and behold, you've got a

489
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Speaker 2: measle down break. I mean, that's the thing is it's like,

490
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Speaker 2: you know, RFK is not I know, he likes to

491
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Speaker 2: use Oh I'm not anti VAXs, blah blah blah, he's

492
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Speaker 2: anti vax Like if you're going to go out and

493
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Speaker 2: say there is no vaccine that is safe and effective.

494
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Speaker 2: I think definitionally you are anti vax now, the COVID

495
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Speaker 2: piece that you're talking about. I think that the way

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Speaker 2: that public health officials didn't think that the American people

497
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Speaker 2: could be trusted with the actual like nuances of what

498
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Speaker 2: this vaccine could and couldn't do and what it was

499
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Speaker 2: and all of that, I think you're absolutely correct that

500
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Speaker 2: that broke a lot of public trust, There's no doubt

501
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Speaker 2: about it. But you know, when we look at where

502
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Speaker 2: RFK and his organization, the children what's the name of it,

503
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Speaker 2: Children's Health Defense, have been involved, like, they have left

504
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Speaker 2: disasters in their wake, the most prominent of which is

505
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Speaker 2: they played into these fears around the measles vaccine in

506
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Speaker 2: Samoa and went in and basically misled people and fomented

507
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Speaker 2: a whole panic that dropped measles vaccination rates to something

508
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Speaker 2: like thirty percent. You had a big outbreak and eighty

509
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Speaker 2: people died. Eighty plus people died, most of them children

510
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Speaker 2: under the age of five. So this stuff has real

511
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Speaker 2: life or death consequences. And when he's been when people

512
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Speaker 2: have trusted him in these critical arenas it's been a disaster.

513
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Speaker 2: So you know, RFK is like endlessly skeptical of anything

514
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Speaker 2: that is like mainstream, settled science. And you know what,

515
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 2: you should be skeptical of those things. You should ask questions,

516
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Speaker 2: you should definitely look at like the monetary incentives and

517
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Speaker 2: all absolutely. But then he's endlessly like credulous about any

518
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Speaker 2: sort of you know, natural seeming, crackpot theory, conspiracy, et cetera.

519
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Speaker 2: And you should be even more skeptical of that end

520
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,719
Speaker 2: of the spectrum. And so you know, that's where I

521
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Speaker 2: have a lot like I think that the things that

522
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Speaker 2: he did to stoke anti VAXX sentiment and other health

523
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Speaker 2: lies using his organization, I think they were devastating. And

524
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Speaker 2: that example in Samoa is just one. So no, I

525
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Speaker 2: don't feel comfortable putting him in charge of this like

526
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Speaker 2: massive federal bureaucracy where you have lots of power and

527
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Speaker 2: this libertarian instinct, because libertarianism is all well and good

528
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 2: until you've got a massive measles outbreak and you know

529
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Speaker 2: your kid is in the hospital with an easily preventable

530
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Speaker 2: disease that we should have that we eradicated long ago.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's very likely it's very possible that we

532
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Speaker 2: have there's already like an av some kind of avian

533
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Speaker 2: flu that's spreading right now, monkey pops whatever, Like, it's

534
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Speaker 2: very possible that we have some sort of significant outbreak.

535
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Speaker 2: And rfk is does not really accept modern medical science,

536
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Speaker 2: which has been a miracle in many ways. And then

537
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Speaker 2: the other piece of this is, like, you know, the

538
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Speaker 2: to me, the corruption is really the core part of

539
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Speaker 2: the problem. But if you actually wanted to get like

540
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Speaker 2: end the chronic disease epidemic, first of all, it would

541
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Speaker 2: take way more than the you know, just making food

542
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Speaker 2: more natural and having fewer ingredients blah blah blah, like

543
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Speaker 2: the availability of highly dense caloric foods, the total sedentary

544
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Speaker 2: lifestyle of Americans, like that plays all into it. But

545
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Speaker 2: also the other thing you would probably do is a

546
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Speaker 2: lot more people would take ozempic. And he's anti ozempic.

547
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Speaker 2: So I genuinely would love to see someone who has

548
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Speaker 2: his instincts when it comes to being skeptical of the

549
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 2: corruption of these companies the impact they have throughout our

550
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Speaker 2: healthcare system. But what I actually think he's likely to

551
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Speaker 2: do is only to empower those forces more by undercutting

552
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Speaker 2: the government agencies that are meant to regulate and serve

553
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Speaker 2: as a check, a very imperfect check admittedly right now

554
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Speaker 2: on those massive forces of corporate power.

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Speaker 4: I could understand that. I mean, the Samoa thing is bad,

556
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Speaker 4: like there's no getting around it. I don't.

557
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Speaker 3: But this is again, though, where I have to put

558
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Speaker 3: a little bit more trust in institutions and even just

559
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Speaker 3: look at basically what in practice what he would say,

560
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Speaker 3: it's like, okay, safety and efficacy of MMR vaccine and

561
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Speaker 3: then allowing parents a choice. I mean, I don't see

562
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Speaker 3: the issue broadly. If you're not banning the vaccine, if

563
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Speaker 3: you're not underwriting it, people have a choice on what

564
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Speaker 3: they can and can't do.

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Speaker 4: I think the most liberating thing of.

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Speaker 3: The RFK quote unquote philosophy, or even the whole like

567
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Speaker 3: just asking questions thing is you do genuinely go okay,

568
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Speaker 3: so why do you give a child like four vaccines

569
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Speaker 3: on the exact same day when they're two months old?

570
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Speaker 3: When the Europeans do it differently, which is better? Should

571
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Speaker 3: we compare this versus this? Why is the hepatitis?

572
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Speaker 7: What is it?

573
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Speaker 4: B vaccine delivered on birth?

574
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Speaker 1: To not does?

575
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Speaker 2: But no, he raises those things to then just be

576
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Speaker 2: like that's why vaccines are bad and cause autism, which

577
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Speaker 2: is a bunch of which is like lies and bullshit,

578
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Speaker 2: and it's not just on that. Like our friends at

579
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Speaker 2: Jelani reported on a great piece about how his group

580
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Speaker 2: also has backed this completely discredited mode of trying to

581
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Speaker 2: communicate with people who are nonverbal autistic that involves using

582
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Speaker 2: like you know, moderate who's supposedly helping them to be

583
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 2: able to stabilize their hands so they can type out messages.

584
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Speaker 2: And like I said, it's been like thoroughly debunked and discredited.

585
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 2: His group pushed this as an actual model, and you know,

586
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 2: in some severe cases, there was an instance where you know,

587
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 2: a non verbal autistic person was sexually assaulted because their

588
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 2: facilitator claimed that they were in some romantic relationship. Like

589
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 2: it's there are so many examples where whatever it is

590
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 2: he believes insane like crack put things. And so you know,

591
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Speaker 2: it puts me in a difficult position trying to defend

592
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Speaker 2: this because I have my own problems with these institutions,

593
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Speaker 2: and I think part of why Democrats loss is because

594
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Speaker 2: they were seen as being like the defenders of the

595
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Speaker 2: institutions when people are like fuck these institutions. Basically in

596
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 2: RFK is also like fucked these institutions. But the specifics

597
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 2: of how you do it matter. And so if you're

598
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: just taking a sledgehammer to regulatory agencies, that just means

599
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 2: that there are going to be more snake oil salesmen.

600
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Speaker 2: That just means they're going to be people hawking like

601
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 2: supplements that claim to do X and y and z

602
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 2: for you that are just completely fake in bogus. That

603
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 2: just means you're going to have less regulation. So that

604
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 2: just means you're going to have actually less investment in

605
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: the type of research that generally has developed life saving

606
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Speaker 2: new drug molecules and treatments, which is what the federal

607
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 2: government has done amazingly well actually, I mean again, the

608
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 2: drug companies are basically just like, buy up the research

609
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 2: that our taxpayers dollars fund and our distribution mechanism. And

610
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Speaker 2: you know, to me, what you would want is go

611
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 2: in the exact opposite direction and have more of this

612
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 2: actually owned by the government, having more government like options

613
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 2: and competition like they are doing in California with their

614
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 2: own like government produced insulin, reducing those costs. But I

615
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 2: just you know, so I'm yeah, I'm I'm very like

616
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 2: skeptical that our K Junior is going to do anything

617
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 2: good that's actually going to improve public health.

618
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Speaker 3: With put it this way, is that basically the reason

619
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Speaker 3: why people like RFK or the reason why people voted

620
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Speaker 3: for Trump at a very base level, They're like, things

621
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 3: are so bad under the current system that blowing shit

622
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 3: up is the only thing that's possible.

623
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Speaker 4: So for me, I'm excited about the possibility.

624
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Speaker 3: I think that safety, efficacy, standards, choice, and being informed

625
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 3: consent is actually very important. I don't trust the public

626
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 3: health establishment in terms of blowing up the FDA and

627
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 3: seeing with the new regulatory regime, yeah, I think it. Honestly,

628
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 3: what else could come from it for them? And if

629
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Speaker 3: you look at the way that he Cali and Casey means,

630
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 3: the way that they talk and the data that they

631
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 3: have around autism, about childhood, obesity, about cancer, the current

632
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 3: trajectory is death. It is a dying and obese civilization

633
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 3: where seventy five percent of the population is currently overweight

634
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Speaker 3: on ozempic. One of the things that I actually like

635
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 3: about RFK Junior is that he's not a prescriber. First,

636
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 3: he's not a prescription drug person. First, I have deep

637
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 3: skepticism around statins, ozempic and all of these other things

638
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 3: in terms of their long term overall effect and the

639
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 3: general idea that you must rely for your entire life

640
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 3: on a drug company to basically provide you with life

641
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 3: because it's a very convenient economic relation ship between you

642
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 3: and said think, we don't know what the overall impact

643
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 3: is going to be on children who are taking oozebic.

644
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 3: I mean, we're talking about literally slowing down someone's gut

645
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 3: at age thirteen years old. At the same time, we're

646
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 3: learning a lot about the gut brain you know, what

647
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 3: is it the gut brain barrier, and the impact of

648
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 3: the gut on mental health and depression and all these

649
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 3: other things. He likes, and you know, advocates for natural,

650
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 3: natural quote unquote remedies. I mean, even the whole raw

651
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 3: milk thing. And this is where actually where I think

652
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 3: he is generally correct on the public health establishment. There

653
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,719
Speaker 3: are some things like the public health people who are

654
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Speaker 3: quote unquote banning raw milk and says it's like, look,

655
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Speaker 3: if you look at the data, is it slightly more

656
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Speaker 3: like unsafe? Yeah, But it's at the same time, like

657
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Speaker 3: there's so many other things that are out there which

658
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Speaker 3: are not banned after ten fifteen thousand times.

659
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Speaker 4: People, if you want to drink raw mil let him drink.

660
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Speaker 1: It and got diarrhea, Like my guy, No, but it's not.

661
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Speaker 3: It's just that it's like, look, if they believe in

662
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Speaker 3: the soak, I mean, there are like you just pointed

663
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Speaker 3: out under FDA does not look at any of the stuff,

664
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Speaker 3: but there are things you can buy over the counter

665
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Speaker 3: which are ten to fifteen thousand time.

666
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Speaker 2: But that's kind of my point, Sager, is that so

667
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 2: RFK and people with his mindset and a lot of

668
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 2: his supporters are endlessly skeptical of like, you know, actually

669
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 2: FDA approved drugs which do have to go through a

670
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: rigorous process.

671
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: Is that process perfect? Is there? Of course?

672
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 2: But there is a rigorous process in place to prove efficacy, okay,

673
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 2: And then they're endlessly credulous about like some bullshit supplement

674
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 2: because it's got like a natural health whatever or some

675
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 2: weird remedy that they read on the internet that has

676
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 2: absolutely no efficacy and is just being sold by a

677
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 2: literal snake oil salesman. That's my issue, And you know,

678
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 2: I mean with regard to RFK, like he doesn't He

679
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 2: has been skeptical over whether HIV actually causes AIDS. He

680
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: thinks COVID was caused created by Jewish people and Chinese

681
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 2: people and doesn't affect them. He thinks wi FI causes cancer.

682
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 2: He thinks different chemicals are making kids trans he's anti vacs.

683
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just like he thinks anti depressants are

684
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: the reason for mass shootings.

685
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Speaker 3: There's just nothing that one there's the most efficacy for that, No,

686
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 3: there's not.

687
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 2: Probably most mass shooters are actually probably need to be

688
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: on more meds.

689
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 3: The real problem Actually most of them are addicted to

690
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 3: weed and antidepressants.

691
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Speaker 4: But that's a whole other story that people aren't ready for. No, no,

692
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 4: but our depression.

693
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 2: But I was critical of this when it was inside

694
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 2: of the Democratic Party, to this complete rejection, like belief

695
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 2: that anything that's natural like weed, must inherently be less

696
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 2: harmful and less bad for you, right like if, oh,

697
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 2: if nature provided it, it must be better for you.

698
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 2: And that's just like that's just not true, and I

699
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 2: think it can lead to very damaging outcomes as we've seen,

700
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 2: Like I said, when RFK Junior has had impacts on

701
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 2: people's health, you ended up with eighty some people in

702
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 2: Samoa dying.

703
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 4: Right.

704
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 3: So the thing is is that when you're talking about

705
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 3: damaging outcomes, look at the damage of the public health

706
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Speaker 3: I think structure, and I think ten it's a million times.

707
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Speaker 1: I think you have to.

708
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Speaker 2: Ask yourself, though, why if your goal is to improve

709
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 2: people's health outcomes and lower like improve life expectancy, all

710
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 2: of these things, why universal health care isn't a part

711
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 2: of that at all? When that is the major thing

712
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 2: that sets us apart from you know, the rest of

713
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 2: the developed world who have not seen these massive declines

714
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 2: in terms of their you know, life expectancy. And is

715
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 2: it the only thing? No, but is it a critical part.

716
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 2: Any honest conversation has to say that is a critical part.

717
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: But that would require going after the health insurance CUD.

718
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,479
Speaker 2: That would require something other than libertarian like you can

719
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 2: drink your raw milk and whatever approach and just destroying

720
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 2: the FDA and like destroying the NIH and just burning

721
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 2: it all down, as you said.

722
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Speaker 1: And I do think there's a bit.

723
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Speaker 2: I think you're right that there's a big instinct among

724
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 2: the public that just like, screw all these institutions, let's

725
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 2: just burn them all to the ground.

726
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: And RFK channels a.

727
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 4: Lot of that.

728
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Speaker 2: But if you don't that's I mean, this is sort

729
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 2: of like a core problem with libertarian as is that

730
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 2: if you don't do the work to check corporate power

731
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 2: and to actually have a government that is strong enough

732
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 2: to act that is, you know, not corrupt, to act

733
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 2: as a check on those corporate influences, then you're going

734
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 2: to end up in a very bad place. And I

735
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 2: think that's what his ideology is and certainly is what

736
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 2: it's likely to be expressed as through you know, a

737
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Speaker 2: trumpet mess.

738
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Speaker 3: I mean, look possible in terms of corporate capture, cronyism, etc.

739
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 3: He does also want to end a lot of the pharma,

740
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,240
Speaker 3: you know, corruption, and look, I have my own issues

741
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 3: with RFK Junior, Okay, in terms of his California nineteen

742
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 3: seventies liberalism and the way that it's applied to nuclear power,

743
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 3: and just like the general way that he's like you know,

744
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 3: you just said in terms of is very accepting of

745
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 3: what three Mile island and the fact that it can't

746
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 3: get an insurance policy. So I'm not saying he's a

747
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 3: perfect person, but in the world where people have deep

748
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 3: distrust of the medical establishment and of the healthcare system.

749
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Speaker 4: R K Junior is the natural, you know, extension of this.

750
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Speaker 5: Now.

751
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Speaker 3: Whether he gets confirmed or not, I don't know. But

752
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 3: I have been thinking about it, and I think America

753
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 3: actually does to see what it voted for. I've been

754
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 3: thinking about this a lot. America voted for a blow

755
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 3: up the institution's option. I think Matt Gates should be picked.

756
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 3: I think or should get confirmed Pete hag Seth, RFK

757
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 3: Junior and all of it. America should see what it's

758
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 3: actually like. For years, we've actually wanted to blow shit up.

759
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 3: Let's see what it looks like. If it's chaos, and

760
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 3: if it's terrible, you're, you know, welcome to vote the

761
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 3: other ways. But there is like a grotesque, weird thing

762
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 3: happening here where we don't. In some ways, the Republicans

763
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 3: are like trying to protect Trump from himself. It's like, no,

764
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 3: he's a grown ass man and he knows exactly what is.

765
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 3: But I also think people know what they voted for

766
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 3: in a certain sense, and they want to see everything.

767
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,720
Speaker 3: You don't get burned to the ground. And I honestly

768
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 3: I'm excited to see it too. I want to see him, like,

769
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 3: are my instincts correct or am I totally wrong? And

770
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 3: you know, even on the universal healthcare front, and this

771
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 3: is the fundamental problem when you have lack of trust

772
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 3: and institutions. Nobody including me, is signing enough for government healthcare.

773
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 3: I'm not signing enough for a COVID vaccine. You know,

774
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,439
Speaker 3: Oh you can't go get your cold, you know, flu

775
00:35:58,480 --> 00:35:59,919
Speaker 3: appointment because you didn't take the COVID.

776
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 4: No, no, no.

777
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 3: And then that's the issue, is that after a world

778
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 3: where public health and all these other people have tried

779
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 3: to impose a regime on our lives and they failed

780
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 3: dramatically after their system has been crasically created in one

781
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 3: of the most obese countries in the entire world. So

782
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 3: what is it were we second to Katar, If we

783
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 3: look at our childhood, obesity and all these other things

784
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 3: are our food system, why would we trust to the government,

785
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 3: you know, to take over it. So to solve that,

786
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 3: you know, you really do actually need the safety of

787
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 3: the transparency and a lot of the change in the

788
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 3: system that I think to arrive at that would require

789
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 3: actually a fundamental revolution in the American people's trust in institutions.

790
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 4: Right now, that's rock bottom.

791
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 3: RFK Matt Gates, p hegseeth all these other people their

792
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 3: choice to have one thing in common, what they want

793
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 3: to burn the bureaucracy to the ground.

794
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 4: And frankly America voted for that.

795
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 3: Donald Trump himself he doesn't care about anything except for that.

796
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 3: So we should see it, like we should actually see

797
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 3: what it's like in practice. And people can complain if

798
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 3: you lose your I don't know, if no drug gets

799
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 3: developed or whatever, it's like, Okay, well that is what

800
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 3: you voted for.

801
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 4: Let's be honest, like that's actually what we voted for.

802
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 3: If the Department of Justice gets gutted and nothing, you know,

803
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 3: whatever works for six years, where we get the Russigate

804
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 3: and all that stuff out of there, frankly, I'd be

805
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 3: fine with that. But the point is is that is

806
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 3: what people voted for. So to a certain point, like

807
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 3: we do have to respect quote unquote the will of

808
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 3: the people and what they have been asking for it

809
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 3: under Donald Trump, but also over the last twenty years,

810
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 3: and that is an erosion of trust to the point

811
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 3: where these institutions don't work for them, They don't trust

812
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 3: a word that they have to say, and whether it's

813
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 3: good for them or not. I mean in a certain

814
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 3: sense that you have, like people have their destiny in

815
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 3: their hands. That's what they decided to do at the

816
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 3: ballot box. Donald Trump won the popular vote. I mean,

817
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 3: at a certain point we just have to say, okay,

818
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 3: you get what you want, you know, And I really

819
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 3: think that's where I'm at with RFK Junior is look

820
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 3: like I said, I have my own problems with them.

821
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 3: I have a very different vision of what the government

822
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 3: would and would run like not necessarily with RFK, but

823
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 3: you know, under what quote unquote advance administration. But I'm

824
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 3: not the median voter. You know, people voted for this,

825
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 3: and that's what they that's what they seem.

826
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Speaker 1: To I mean, I think I actually think that's there.

827
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 2: The only thing I would say, like, you know, to

828
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: read like an ideologically consistent mandate into any election result,

829
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 2: I think as a fool's errand because I mean, if

830
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 2: you ask people still, people are overwhelmingly in favor of

831
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 2: universal health care, so you know, to just say, you know,

832
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 2: what they just voted for was to burn it down,

833
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 2: that's certainly one element of it. But I also think

834
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 2: that there's a lot of ideological inconsistencies among the American people,

835
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 2: to say the least. But the other thing that's funny

836
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 2: to me to your point soccer is I think a

837
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 2: lot of people, especially the sort of like more like

838
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: billionaire or Wall Street backers of Trump, I think they

839
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 2: really convinced themselves that he didn't really.

840
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 4: Mean Yeah, No, they definitely did.

841
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 8: Yeah.

842
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that with Jeff.

843
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 2: I mean you even expressed like, I don't think he's

844
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 2: going to do it now he I think the assumption

845
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 2: should be at this point he meant the things that

846
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 2: he said on the trail.

847
00:38:58,239 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: Like he meant it.

848
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 2: And there was a clip of what was the sname,

849
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 2: Howard Lutnick who's one of the co chairs of the

850
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 2: transition on CNN, who is getting asked about RFK Junior,

851
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 2: and Caitlyn Collins is like, you know, isn't it going

852
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 2: to be a problem if he's HGS secretary And he's like,

853
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 2: there's no way that's going to happen. She's like really,

854
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: because that's what's being floated and he's like, no, not

855
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,479
Speaker 2: a chance. And this is one of the co chairs

856
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 2: of the transition and here's r f K Junior. And

857
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,720
Speaker 2: I also think all the speculation and soccer I'm curious

858
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 2: your perspective on this of like, oh, the Gates nomination

859
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,439
Speaker 2: is just like a distraction to try to really get

860
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: heag set through whatever. Like, No, I think Trump wants

861
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 2: these people. I think he wants all of them, and

862
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 2: I think he plans to get them, and if you know,

863
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 2: and I think he probably will get almost all of them,

864
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 2: whether it's through acting appointments or you know, he's he's

865
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 2: got to play and lay down where I don't want

866
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 2: to get into all the technical minutia right now, but

867
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 2: where he can actually use the powers of the presidency

868
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 2: to force the Senate into recess and then get whatever

869
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 2: appointments he won once and they don't have to face

870
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Speaker 2: any sort of vote in a Senate. So, yeah, you've

871
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Speaker 2: got a bunch of people out there who are like mom,

872
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 2: RFK Junior is not pro life, And that's kind of

873
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 2: a big problem for the pro life community because the

874
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 2: FDA is very important in terms of the myth of

875
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 2: pristone regulation. You know, most abortions in this country at

876
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 2: this point are medication abortions mif of pristone. You know this,

877
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 2: sobeig is the number one way like abortions have actually

878
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 2: gone up post the overturning of Row versus WAD, because

879
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 2: of the availability of myf of pristone, the FDA could

880
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 2: roll back that authorization. So you know, the pro life

881
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 2: community is not gonna be happy about the fact r

882
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 2: FFK Junior at least seems to be more or less

883
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 2: pro choice and is unlikely to use those agencies as

884
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 2: a cudgel, which something you know that I'm happy about

885
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 2: with regard to the choice of RFK Junior is not

886
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 2: likely to use those agencies as a cudgel against abortion rights,

887
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 2: but they may not really have their say. I think

888
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 2: Trump wants these people, and I think he's probably going

889
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 2: to get them.

890
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 3: I think you are right, and that's another reason why

891
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 3: I really just think they should all be confirmed. And

892
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:08,919
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess to wrap things up, I think

893
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 3: in the big, big picture, there are institutions that will

894
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 3: check Donald Trump. But also he is going to be

895
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 3: the president of the United States, imbued with immense power.

896
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 3: So the cabinet officials and the appointees and all that stuff,

897
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 3: yeah they should. And then you know, and just in general,

898
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 3: like for what the Republicans and all these other people

899
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 3: are saying, like, oh, maybe we'll vote against some I'm like, listen,

900
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 3: this is actually on ironically, this is what America wanted.

901
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,479
Speaker 3: They don't want Bush two point zero. It's pretty clear.

902
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 3: I think you're doing a whole monologu about why I've

903
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 3: both working class voters. I mean, not to give it away,

904
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 3: but isn't it that a lot of them hate the

905
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 3: system and they.

906
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 2: Like, well that actually yes, but actually a lot of

907
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 2: it had to do it with Gaza or It's like

908
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 2: a surprising number that were like, actually Gaza was important

909
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 2: to me, which even I was surprised by the number

910
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 2: who have said that got it.

911
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 3: I mean, look, of course that's a big part of it,

912
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 3: but I would say like, in general, this feeling of

913
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 3: this system is broken and we have to blow it

914
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 3: up completely. Is the major through line between Tulsi. I mean,

915
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 3: really think about it. You know, you asked me once,

916
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 3: You're like, how how can we put together people who

917
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 3: are warmongers and Tulsi Gabbard or whatever who are up

918
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 3: there on the same stage, And I was like, it's

919
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 3: about grievance, It's about blowing shit up. At the end

920
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 3: of the day, MSG, that's what they wanted, That's what

921
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 3: people actually voted for so I say that's what you

922
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 3: should give them and then see if they like the

923
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 3: consequences or not. I'm curious too, I've always wanted to know,

924
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 3: like what would it actually look like. It's exciting, and

925
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 3: so I think in general, just like looking at all

926
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 3: of this, you know, and look the counter the real

927
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 3: reason you should also want all these people to come

928
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 3: through is if it's a total disaster, then honestly you

929
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 3: can finally say it's been tried and it didn't work.

930
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 3: And I think that's another reason why you know, people

931
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 3: in certain sense, like who are trying to continue the

932
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 3: permanent bureaucracy, you're actually undermining any counter case you could

933
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 3: ever give to why these things won't work. You'll finally

934
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 3: get to see what it's actually like in practice. We

935
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 3: saw a little bit last time, but this time for real,

936
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Speaker 3: like in the actual mechanisms of the government.

937
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Speaker 4: So anyway, I know it's a long winded way. Do

938
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 4: you have Jeff Stein standing by?

939
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Speaker 8: So sure?

940
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, do it.

941
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go and jump.

942
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 4: To Jeff.

943
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 3: Joining us now is friend of the show, Jeff Stein

944
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 3: from the Washington Post. Good to see my friend.

945
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 9: Thanks caving back.

946
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 4: Absolutely all right, let's go and put this up there

947
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 4: on the screen.

948
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 3: You've been doing some incredible reporting about inside the Trump

949
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 3: transition team and some tension between Elon Musk and some

950
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 3: of Trump's advisors, including Trump himself. So Elon apparently has

951
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 3: not left mar A Lago. Trump even name checked him

952
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 3: in the speech and was like, I can't get him

953
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 3: to get out of here.

954
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 4: He won't leave me alone.

955
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 3: You saw a clip of Trump actually smacking Elon while

956
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 3: I was using his phone at the UFC. So there's

957
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 3: some stuff going on behind the scenes. But for our purposes,

958
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 3: it appears that Elon has intervened directly in a fight

959
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 3: around tariffs and specifically the Treasury secretary. So what can

960
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 3: you tell us about what's going on inside right now?

961
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Speaker 10: So just outside quickly. Elon Musk tweeted yesterday that he

962
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Speaker 10: thinks that it's really good that Argentina massively slashed tariffs, and.

963
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 9: That was the first like what.

964
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Speaker 4: Is going on we had that?

965
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Speaker 3: Actually, can we put that on the screen. Continue to

966
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Speaker 3: talk to so people can see.

967
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Speaker 10: He's gonna be like the Trump co president. You can't

968
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 10: go around saying actually, the number one domestic policy priority

969
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 10: of the president is stupid, like it seemed like an

970
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 10: incredible thing for him to be saying. And then a

971
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Speaker 10: few hours later he went on X again and said

972
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Speaker 10: something that I even more annoyed the people I talked

973
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Speaker 10: to in the Trump or a bit, which was that

974
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Speaker 10: Trump should pick Howard Lutnik, one of the two candidates

975
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 10: for Treasury secretary. Up until really that point, Musk, you know,

976
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 10: he is around mar A Lago all the time, He's

977
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Speaker 10: around Trump all the time. There's a sense, you know,

978
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 10: it's hard to tell with Trump personally, but certainly among

979
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 10: Trump advisors that I've spoken to, they are already fed

980
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 10: up with Musk. They think he doesn't really understand Washington.

981
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 10: They think he doesn't really know what he's doing. Maybe,

982
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 10: you know, from the perspective of people who want, you know,

983
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 10: massive changes, that that is maybe an asset. That's what

984
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 10: he's bringing, sort of fresh eyes, fresh perspective, not you know,

985
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 10: burdened by by what has been but but so two

986
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 10: moves by Musk in one day that said, you know,

987
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 10: I have strong views that that are not sort of

988
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 10: just falling in line with what the leader of this

989
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 10: train is saying. And it's still early and there's I

990
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 10: still think they're in the honeymoon romance period, but how

991
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 10: long that goes on for when Musk is sort of

992
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 10: famous to U sort of drop pet fascinations after a

993
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 10: few months getting tired of them, It's true, will be

994
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 10: a fascinating story.

995
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 2: Trump Trump also known for dropping those pet fascinations, at

996
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 2: least in the in when they're human beings. Tell us

997
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 2: about these different potential treasury choices, and you know how

998
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 2: they differ ideologically in what some of the policy implications

999
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 2: could be.

1000
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's a little tricky because I think some of this,

1001
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 10: you know, gets a little overdetermined, where it's like, because

1002
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 10: a candidate is not as strong on one thing, it

1003
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 10: becomes that that are weak on this thing. And so

1004
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 10: you sort of get these like over dramatized in the

1005
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 10: press and frankly in some of my stories versions of

1006
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 10: what each of the candidates represents when it's much more

1007
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 10: sort of contingent and hard to tell.

1008
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 9: The two candidates.

1009
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 10: As we were discussing, I feel like most people like

1010
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 10: go to sleep when I start talking about this. But

1011
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 10: Scott Bessen's is this hedge fund executive who, despite working

1012
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,879
Speaker 10: for George Soros, which is kind of an amazing thing,

1013
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 10: has become one of Trump's most trusted economic advisors. As

1014
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 10: Sager and I were discussing before the show started, he

1015
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 10: is not just quite a normal Wall Street guy. He

1016
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 10: is quite strong on a lot of the trade stuff

1017
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 10: that Trump people.

1018
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 9: Have long wanted.

1019
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 10: But I think it's fair to say that they also

1020
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:45,280
Speaker 10: worry that he's not quite as into let's say, universal tariffs,

1021
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 10: which would you create huge import duties on every US

1022
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 10: trading partner in Vestin's I think it's fair to say,

1023
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 10: or fair to wonder about his commitment to that cause.

1024
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 10: And then the second candidate is this guy, Howard Latna.

1025
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 10: He's been chaired co chair of the Trump transition team.

1026
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 10: Lutnick is also a Wall Street guy, so I think

1027
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 10: it's a little unfair to be like he is the

1028
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 10: trade hawk in the race, but he he has been.

1029
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 10: I think it's fair to say, more willing to embrace

1030
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 10: tariff's than that, and more and more sort of forthright

1031
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 10: in that. But I think, possibly even more importantly, Lutnick

1032
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 10: doesn't really have sort of the independent power base. Like

1033
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 10: if we're thinking of analogs to other Trump cabinet positions,

1034
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 10: I think Lutnick is much more similar to that Gates

1035
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,919
Speaker 10: and that he is kind of with Trump or he's

1036
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 10: no one. Essen is a megabillionaire who has clout abroad,

1037
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 10: who has constituencies on the Hill, who has sort of

1038
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:43,439
Speaker 10: you know, people that he can turn you to back

1039
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,439
Speaker 10: them up that aren't just Trump. And I think there's

1040
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 10: a sense that, well Lutnick has the endorsement of Mosque

1041
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,919
Speaker 10: and some others, he is is more of a sort

1042
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 10: of loyalist surrogate, you know, critics would say lapdog crony type.

1043
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 9: And so that's how this race is broken down.

1044
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 10: And Trump's seems to be just getting annoyed that these

1045
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 10: people just keep sniping at each other, taking pot shots,

1046
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 10: criticizing each other. I heard, we reported broke over the

1047
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:11,479
Speaker 10: weekend that Besson's people went to Trump and were saying, hey, look,

1048
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 10: Lutnick hosted a Hillary Clinton fundraiser in twenty sixteen. Lutin's

1049
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 10: people were coming back and saying, Besson like works for Soros,

1050
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,720
Speaker 10: He's like friends with like people in the deep state.

1051
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 10: He's not that serious about your trade stuff. And Trump

1052
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 10: seems to be like, you know what, screw both you guys.

1053
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 10: I'm going to look for a third candidate. The fundamental

1054
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 10: like as Christly, we were alluding to, like the fundamental

1055
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 10: structural problem for Trump is that he wants massive tariffs

1056
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 10: to rebalance global trade, which I think is an expression

1057
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 10: of like a genuine popular sentiment in the country. But

1058
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 10: he also, you know, wants line to go up, like

1059
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 10: he loves stomachs, Like Trump is a Wall Street guy,

1060
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 10: and so those visions are fundamentally incompatible. Someone who is

1061
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 10: very strong on trade will be someone who the market's

1062
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,439
Speaker 10: freak out about, and someone who the markets won't freak

1063
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 10: out about will be weak on trade. And so how

1064
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 10: Trump reconciles both of those, I think it's going to

1065
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 10: be really hard to see.

1066
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 3: And getting to that, Jeff, you know, what are the

1067
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 3: tensions already in the economic team? So Larry Kudlow it

1068
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 3: appears as back of National Economics Council. Larry could not

1069
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 3: be more anti tariff in terms of all of his

1070
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 3: personal commentary and his background. Now we have two Treasury

1071
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 3: Secretary candidates that are talking here about tariffs, and then

1072
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 3: Bob Leitheiser, who is probably one of the most legitimate

1073
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 3: pro tariff's former US Trade representative, is allegedly in the mix,

1074
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 3: either for trade representative or possibly for trade secretary.

1075
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Speaker 4: So is it.

1076
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 3: Basically a repeat of last time around? How do you

1077
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 3: think it will happen this time?

1078
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 10: You know, if Trump had come out and picked best

1079
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 10: sent right away, I think you could see him have

1080
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 10: playing the same role essentially as Mnuchi, which was, you know,

1081
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 10: to kind of rein in Trump's impulses on tariffs and say, okay,

1082
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Speaker 10: let's like basically preserve the global financial order without like

1083
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Speaker 10: literally overturning the table. And the fact that Trump hasn't

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Speaker 10: gone down that route I think based on my reporting,

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Speaker 10: I mean this, this reporting is really hard because not

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Speaker 10: you know, you talk to people who say Trump said this,

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Speaker 10: and then you know he likes this candidate, and then

1088
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 10: you ask them like and then you know, your call

1089
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 10: your editors and say, oh this, I got this great intel,

1090
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 10: like this guy is supporting this candidate, like Trump is

1091
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 10: looking at him closely, and then you think about it

1092
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 10: more and then you're like, wait, who do you support?

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Speaker 10: And then that person will often be supporting the candidate

1094
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Speaker 10: that they're leaking is in the mix.

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Speaker 9: So it's this.

1096
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Speaker 10: Like weird delicate dance you have to do as a reporter.

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Speaker 10: But my I think the evidence that the evidence I've

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Speaker 10: gathered suggests that Trump Trump does not want a repeat

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Speaker 10: of his first administration when they really just kind of

1100
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Speaker 10: tinkered around the edges of the global trade system. I

1101
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Speaker 10: think he wants to go big, and I think the

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Speaker 10: Gates pick I think other things he's done suggest that he,

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Speaker 10: like as you guys were discussing before I came on,

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Speaker 10: he's serious about about this new world order, this this

1105
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 10: like very transformative moment, and wants to pursue that. And

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Speaker 10: you know, is he willing to do that at the

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00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 10: expense of the Wall Street of the stock market like that?

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Speaker 10: We're gonna have to see, But he's he's definitely thinking

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Speaker 10: about it.

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Speaker 9: He's nothing toring with it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was something I wanted to ask you about, Jeff,

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Speaker 2: because you for a while been saying the Wall Street

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00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 2: backers of Trump, or those even who just were sort

1114
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 2: of comfortable with another Trump term, they just didn't really

1115
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 2: take him seriously when he was like, no, guys, I'm serious.

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00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 2: I want an across the board import tax on everything,

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Speaker 2: ten twenty percent, maybe two hundred percent, Like I want

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00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,919
Speaker 2: to do this, and they're like, yeah, but Trump says

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00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 2: a lot of things, and to your point, I think

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Speaker 2: we now have every indication that, like, no, the things

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Speaker 2: that he said, he genuinely is inclined to do. So,

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00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 2: you know, do you think that there is what is

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Speaker 2: the sense on Wall Street now that that's becoming increasingly clear?

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Speaker 2: And if there is, what are some of the mechanisms

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Speaker 2: he could use to not have to go through Congress

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Speaker 2: to have a you know, massive implementation of some sort

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Speaker 2: of terriffy and what do you think the impacts of

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Speaker 2: that would likely be?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, there are people in Washington, as you guys know,

1130
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 10: who get paid, you know, two or three times when

1131
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,359
Speaker 10: I get paid, and their job is like to gather

1132
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 10: corporate intelligence for their clients. And I talk to them,

1133
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 10: and I think they are totally wrong about this because,

1134
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Speaker 10: as you were alluding to, congressional Republicans and corporate leaders

1135
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 10: and donors have been very convinced that Trump is bluffing

1136
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 10: with all this tariff stuff. They think it's a negotiating

1137
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 10: tactic to scare other foreign countries into doing what we

1138
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 10: want to do. They think that Trump, you know, is

1139
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 10: throwing red meat on the campaign trail to his voters.

1140
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 10: The way like if you listen to him, if you

1141
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 10: listen to what Trump says, I mean, again, I could

1142
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 10: be wrong, but if you listen to the words coming

1143
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 10: out of his mouth, he says tariffs are the greatest

1144
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 10: thing ever invented. He called them the best word in

1145
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 10: the dictionary. He said that there are no downsides to them.

1146
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 10: He said that they could pay off the national debt,

1147
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 10: fund a national childcare program, and allow us maybe to

1148
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 10: abolish the income tax. This is not a guy who

1149
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 10: is looking at this tool in uh, maybe it'll have

1150
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,879
Speaker 10: some upside, maybe it'll have some downside. Way if if

1151
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 10: the reality proves to be that way, which I think

1152
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 10: it would, maybe he'll pull back from the brink. But

1153
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 10: the reality is every public, every evidence that he every

1154
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 10: piece of evidence that he's giving us, suggest that he's

1155
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 10: dead serious.

1156
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 9: To me about this, and a lot.

1157
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 10: Of the business leaders and big donors, they see Trump

1158
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 10: as a vehicle for tax cuts and are hoping that

1159
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,760
Speaker 10: this is just kind of overstated. And that has always

1160
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 10: seemed to me to be like an incredibly rest risky bet.

1161
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Speaker 9: I mean, I don't have millions of dollars to give

1162
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 9: away on the.

1163
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:46,399
Speaker 10: Campaign, but like it does seem like like like he's

1164
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 10: very serious. And to your legal question, Trump has national

1165
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 10: security authority under AEPA, the law that governs sanctions, to

1166
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 10: declare a national security emergency and impose traffs on who

1167
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 10: whatever country he wants.

1168
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Speaker 9: And that is something that the courts you could.

1169
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 10: Adjudicate, but it could take years, by which point all

1170
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Speaker 10: of the trade measures that Trump wants would already be

1171
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Speaker 10: in effect.

1172
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Speaker 2: Right, one more for you, Jeff from me. And I

1173
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,959
Speaker 2: don't know if Soccer has anything else. But another piece

1174
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 2: of analysis that I've questioned, and I think maybe you've

1175
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 2: questioned as well, is that the DOGE agency that was

1176
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Speaker 2: given to Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswami, which is kind

1177
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Speaker 2: of giving, like you know, Blue Ribbon commission, like here's

1178
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 2: the thing for you to play with and go away,

1179
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 2: that it may not be as meaningless as it has

1180
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 2: been portrayed at times. And that also this administration has

1181
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 2: explored ways that they could avoid having to go through

1182
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Speaker 2: a filibuster, et cetera to institute massive government spending cuts.

1183
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 2: That's something that most of the Republican Party would also

1184
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Speaker 2: be on board with. So what is your reading of

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Speaker 2: the import of DOGE.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, this is another thing I spoke to someone who

1187
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 10: works for a military defense contractor last week who was saying, like,

1188
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,720
Speaker 10: we're going to be fine, like Congress needs to approve

1189
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Speaker 10: whatever Elon and Vivek come up with. Then I was like,

1190
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Speaker 10: how do you guys get paid so much to do

1191
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 10: this work that this is not necessarily true? If you

1192
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 10: look at Trump's omb chief, this is the person who

1193
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Speaker 10: oversees the budget.

1194
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Speaker 9: His name is Russ Vote.

1195
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Speaker 10: In the first term, it's a little unclear because he

1196
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,879
Speaker 10: was associated with Project twenty twenty five whether he'll get

1197
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 10: that spot back, but assuming he does, which I think

1198
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 10: he will. He has spent the last several years in

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Speaker 10: the Biden administration working on legal theories related to something

1200
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Speaker 10: called empowerment. Impoundment is the president's ability to say I

1201
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 10: don't want this spending program to continue because I think

1202
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 10: the original purpose that Congress authorized is no longer valid.

1203
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 9: And Russ Vote and.

1204
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 10: Some of the lawyers close to him who are already

1205
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,280
Speaker 10: on the Trump team have spent a lot of time

1206
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 10: thinking about how do we use this legal theory of

1207
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 10: empowerment to stop spending on federal programs we don't like.

1208
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:02,399
Speaker 10: And that is a huge potential constitutional showdown here because

1209
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:06,240
Speaker 10: what it means is that the president could say Congress

1210
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 10: approved this, but I don't want to do it, and

1211
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 10: so I'm going.

1212
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 9: To stop this federal program.

1213
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 10: And that that means the Veka and Elonic if that's real,

1214
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 10: if they if they either win in the court or

1215
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 10: just want to try, that could change the entire complexion

1216
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 10: of a blue driven commission that puts up non binding

1217
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 10: recommendations to the Hill that the Hill just says like

1218
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 10: f off, like I already.

1219
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 9: Authorized these programs.

1220
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Speaker 10: And so I think people are really sleeping on the

1221
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 10: possibility that Elon and Vivek do much more than I

1222
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 10: think the conventional wisdom even among like well paid lobbyists

1223
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 10: in Washington.

1224
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 3: I think that's a really important point on both of those,

1225
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,280
Speaker 3: which is that it's possible, and it would require novel

1226
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 3: legal theories. I know, and I've heard very much similar

1227
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,240
Speaker 3: about the pursuit of this. That said, last time around, Jeff,

1228
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 3: you know, he didn't say many things about tariffs. He

1229
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 3: did back down, he did, you know, ultimately carried through

1230
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 3: some national security tariffs on soybeans, you know, et cetera,

1231
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 3: and a few other things. But by and large, there

1232
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,919
Speaker 3: was a huge war with congressional Republicans day on. As

1233
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 3: you said about trying to divert funds. He tried to

1234
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:05,760
Speaker 3: do that on the border wall. It was a colossal failure,

1235
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,399
Speaker 3: got struck down by the court. So there are several

1236
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 3: systems in place which could seriously throw a wrench into

1237
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 3: his plans here.

1238
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 10: Now, no, that's totally true, and you know it's hard

1239
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 10: to you know, know how to wait these things. I

1240
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 10: think the impoundment thing, you know, they got a shot

1241
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 10: with the Conservative Supreme Court.

1242
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 9: My understanding is, you know from.

1243
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 10: People close to this that they're looking at sort of

1244
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 10: like what what is an example of an obviously wasteful

1245
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 10: program that like is spending money that the White House

1246
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 10: clearly has an interest in stopping. Can they get the

1247
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 10: Supreme Court to approve their theory in that case and

1248
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 10: then go and implement all these other ones that are

1249
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 10: maybe like more edge cases. In terms of the tariffs,

1250
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 10: whether he does an automatic twenty percent tariff on every country. Again,

1251
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 10: as you're saying, like there is a lot of resistance

1252
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 10: among Congressional Republicans to going down that route. My understanding

1253
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 10: from Trump transition officials that they are working on proposals

1254
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 10: to do that. So if they backed down when the

1255
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 10: Robert hits the road like, maybe they will and we'll

1256
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 10: hopefully you talk about it then, but I think they're

1257
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 10: going to try.

1258
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, they certainly might, Jeff. We always appreciate your analysis, sir,

1259
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 3: Thank you for joining us.

1260
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: Great to see it, Jeff love being on.

1261
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 4: Thanks guys, Yeah, a pleasure. All right.

1262
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 2: So let's get back to some of the nominations that

1263
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 2: have already been made and curious for Soccer's reaction.

1264
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:31,919
Speaker 1: To these as well.

1265
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 2: So we have Matt Gates, who has been nominated to

1266
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 2: serve as Attorney General of the United States. Let's put

1267
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 2: this up on the screen. There are some questions over

1268
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 2: whether or not mister Gates would be confirmed as Attorney General.

1269
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 2: He has been himself investigated by the Department of Justice

1270
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:54,439
Speaker 2: for alleged sex trafficking. They drop that investigation. He's also

1271
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 2: been investigated by a Republican led House Ethics Committee into

1272
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 2: a similar allegation. And we can get into a little

1273
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 2: bit more of the specifics, but in any case, he's

1274
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 2: also just not really particularly well liked on Capitol Hill

1275
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 2: amongst anyone.

1276
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, it has nothing to do with policy.

1277
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 3: It has almost all to do with well, the Kevin

1278
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 3: McCarthy thing, and being a grandstander.

1279
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 2: Is a hard person to get along with. Yeah, in

1280
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 2: my personal experience, personal experience, he is a difficult person

1281
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 2: to like as a human being. So anyway, according to

1282
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 2: NBC's report, I've seen some other reporting to this effect

1283
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 2: as well. More than half of Senate Republicans, including someone

1284
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 2: senior leadership, privately say they do not see a path

1285
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 2: for Matt Gates to be confirmed as Attorney general would

1286
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:40,479
Speaker 2: not support him to lead the Department of Justice. While Gates'

1287
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 2: ability to be confirmed the right appears on the rocks

1288
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 2: amongst Senate Republicans, President like Trump's team remains confident he

1289
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 2: will eventually be confirmed, even if.

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Speaker 1: It's after an ugly battle.

1291
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 2: NBC News spoke to more than fifteen additional Republican sources

1292
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 2: who agreed there are not enough votes in the Senate

1293
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 2: to confirm Gates, and some estimated that closer to thirty

1294
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 2: Republicans consider him an qualified In your thoughts.

1295
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 3: I mean this relates to the RFK junior discussion. I

1296
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 3: think this is what America voted for. I think Donald

1297
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Speaker 3: Trump was serious whenever he said schedule F fire. Everybody

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Speaker 3: the Department of Justice is going to What did JD. Say,

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Speaker 3: he's going to be the most important part of it. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's what Gates is. Gates is a loyalist on policy.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he's actually an interesting guy, right, I mean, he's.

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Speaker 3: I don't like that he's very pro weed, but he

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Speaker 3: is very consistently pro weed. He's a lot more libertarian wants.

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Speaker 3: What does he wants to pardon Julian Assange, to pardon

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Speaker 3: Edward Snowden. He is genuinely anti war, has been worked

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Speaker 3: with Rocanna previously in the past. So, I mean, if

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Speaker 3: you were to ask me, like relative to some of

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Speaker 3: the other picks, I actually don't think he's bad. Will

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Speaker 3: he get through that is an open question in fact,

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Speaker 3: But this is actually one two where we were talking

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Speaker 3: about this on the phone, and I still it really

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Speaker 3: remains to be seeing if Trump wants somebody through.

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Speaker 4: I do feel like he's going to get intane.

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Speaker 3: And the question around Gates is was this all some

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Speaker 3: jiu jitsu maneuver to avoid the House ethics committed.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's certainly possible.

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Speaker 3: Kevin McCarthy has been insinuating from the very beginning that

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Speaker 3: this entire McCarthy coup was revenge against Kevin McCarthy because

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Speaker 3: he's like, I've seen the text messages, I've seen the

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Speaker 3: ethics report. I'm you know, whether any of that's gonna

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Speaker 3: come to fruition. I mean, the charges against Gates, like

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Speaker 3: the image of it is not great. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: will say in his defense, the charges genuinely were dropped

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Speaker 3: by the DOJ, and all the allegations and stuff were

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Speaker 3: leaked against him. That's that even if what he was

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Speaker 3: doing was legal, like honestly, let's be honest, like it's

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Speaker 3: skeevie and it's gross, right, and even terms of even

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Speaker 3: the legality of like what he was up to at

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Speaker 3: that time, will it be enough to sink him? Come on,

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Speaker 3: you know, in the age where first of all, you know,

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Speaker 3: what did RFK tell me about skeletons in his closet?

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Speaker 3: Like in the age where these people are knowingly put up,

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Speaker 3: and especially in a backlash against me too, and then

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Speaker 3: the post Kavanaugh era, I don't see some sexual harassment

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Speaker 3: allegation or whatever against somebody sinking at it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I really don't.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's a few things to say about that. First,

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Speaker 2: First of all, the allegation that we could put let's

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Speaker 2: put a seven up on the screen which has some

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Speaker 2: of the details here of the allegations. A woman told

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Speaker 2: the House Ethics Committee that she saw Matt Gates have

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Speaker 2: sex with a minor. That minor alleged to be seventeen

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Speaker 2: years old. You have both the minor herself and the

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Speaker 2: client who allegedly witnessed this testifying to these events. You know,

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Speaker 2: it is something that the Republican Party has been running

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Speaker 2: around for years now talking endlessly about the Democratic Party

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Speaker 2: being filled with pedophiles and the whole Qann conspiracy theory

1348
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Speaker 2: and obsessed with Epstein et cetera, et cetera. And then

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Speaker 2: your literal candidate for Attorney General, chief law Enforcement officer

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Speaker 2: of the United States is credibly accused of sleeping with

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Speaker 2: a minor.

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Speaker 1: So there's that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, But on this front though, and I'm not

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Speaker 3: diminishing the accusation, the DOJ investigated it, right, they dropped

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Speaker 3: the allegation, they dropped the charges, Like if it was true,

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Speaker 3: wouldn't they prosecute Look, nobody hates Matt Gates.

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Speaker 4: It's very permanent.

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Speaker 2: It's very I mean, it's very difficult to it's very

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Speaker 2: difficult to acquire enough evidence to say beyond a reasonable doubt,

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Speaker 2: but you can. I don't think that you would deny that.

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Speaker 2: If you had a similar fact pattern about a Democrat,

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Speaker 2: Republicans would be running wild with it. But the other

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Speaker 2: point to be made here is, you know, all of

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Speaker 2: these men were talking about Trump RFK Junior. R K

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Speaker 2: Junior doesn't even really deny the sexual assault allegations against him.

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Speaker 2: In the interview with you, he did not did not

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Speaker 2: really deny them. So anyway, r K Jr. Trump himself

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Speaker 2: gates and hegseeth all of them, at least somewhat credibly

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Speaker 2: accused of sexual assault. And part of it is what

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Speaker 2: you said, like the post me to era like that

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Speaker 2: is part of what makes this not an accident that

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Speaker 2: these men would all be put up. But it's also

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Speaker 2: you know, with Trump, a lot of his picks are

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Speaker 2: about loyalty and his ability to dominate and control them

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Speaker 2: and guarantee that no matter what he wants them to

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Speaker 2: do or what bridge he wants them to cross, that

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Speaker 2: they're not going to you know, they're going to maintain

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Speaker 2: their loyalty and they're going to do whatever he ultimately

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Speaker 2: wants them to do, no matter what that is. And

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Speaker 2: having a lot of dirt on someone, or having someone

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Speaker 2: who is you know, compromised so much that the rest

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Speaker 2: of like the mainstream world wouldn't accept them, or who's

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01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 2: burned their bridges as RFK Junior and Tulsi did with

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Speaker 2: you know, the other political party where they're never going

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Speaker 2: to be accepted back across that bridge. Those are all

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Speaker 2: insurance policies that those people are going to even if

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Speaker 2: you ask them to do something illegal, immoral, unconstitutional, whatever,

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Speaker 2: that they're going to stay the course and stand by you.

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Speaker 2: So in that way, I don't think it's an accident

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Speaker 2: that you have all of these individuals who have you know,

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Speaker 2: who are kind of deeply compromised in different ways.

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Speaker 3: Maybe that's part of it, Honestly, I think that look

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Speaker 3: their own personal stuff and all that aside. And by

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Speaker 3: the way, on the Gates case, we did a lot

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Speaker 3: of our stuff on the Gate stuff.

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Speaker 4: But something Glenn.

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Speaker 3: Greenwell genuinely to convince me of is, like, you know,

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01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 3: when we are just talking about allegations or whatever that

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Speaker 3: were leaked from the DOJ and then they end up

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Speaker 3: dropping the case like that is kind of a miscarriage

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Speaker 3: at least of the way that the public has to

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Speaker 3: look at this stuff. He was accused of sex trafficking miners.

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Speaker 3: I mean, these are heinous, horrible charges that will lock

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Speaker 3: you up for a long time, and the end of

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Speaker 3: the day, they dropped it because of lack of evidence.

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Speaker 3: Some people do deserve due process, and I think we

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Speaker 3: should actually preserve that for a lot of people. And

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Speaker 3: this is actually a big part of the backlash to

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Speaker 3: the whole me too era and like what really constitutes

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Speaker 3: a sexual harassment cancelation and all of that. So I'll

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Speaker 3: just put that out there specifically on Gates. Whether this

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Speaker 3: woman is lying or not, I have no idea, but

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Speaker 3: you know, in general, when politicians are involved, like I'm skeptical,

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Speaker 3: and if the Department of.

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Speaker 1: Justice multiple women, that okay.

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Speaker 3: But if the Justice Department says we don't have the

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Speaker 3: evidence to prosecute you, I mean I'm inclined to go

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Speaker 3: with it and just say, well, clearly there's not enough

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Speaker 3: to back that up.

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Speaker 2: So somebody says something the House Ethics Committee.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I actually do, and see this will put me

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Speaker 3: out the other side of MAGA and all people.

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Speaker 4: Let's see it. Look, I mean, is it going to

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Speaker 4: be good for Gates? Probably not. And that is what

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Speaker 4: I mentioned.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's what's very noteworthy is he did not

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Speaker 2: have to resign his seat.

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Speaker 1: He resigned two days before the.

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Speaker 4: Support because to be released the report from coming.

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Speaker 2: Out, and so that the fact that he resigned, then

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Speaker 2: they canceled the meeting where they were supposed to deliberate

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Speaker 2: whether or not to release this report. So, okay, if

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Speaker 2: there's a lack of evidence and there's no there there, then.

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Speaker 1: People should be able to see the report.

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Speaker 4: I agree with releasing the report.

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Speaker 3: The reason they don't want the report released is because,

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Speaker 3: like I just said, it's even if what he was

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Speaker 3: doing this is like when we were talking about Dave Portnoy,

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Speaker 3: it was like Dave Portnoy was you know, he had

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Speaker 3: the me too allegation or whatever against him, and it's

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01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 3: like in his his defense was that he was sleeping

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Speaker 3: with girls who were twenty years younger than him, were

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Speaker 3: dming him on Instagram.

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Speaker 4: Legal, yeah, creepy, weird.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And so that's the defense of Matt Gates is that

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Speaker 3: he was knowingly engaged in like that, in like sex

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01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 3: parties on boats with rich people while doing drugs and

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Speaker 3: getting drunk, like straight up dgen behavior. And it's like,

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Speaker 3: that's not something that a public official wants out of

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Speaker 3: it with very young.

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Speaker 4: With young women.

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Speaker 3: People were like eighteen nineteen years old. So yeah, I

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01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 3: mean that's sketchy and gross. But this technically legal, so

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Speaker 3: it's one of those in the ethics report. I get

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Speaker 3: why he doesn't want it out there. You know, he's

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Speaker 3: married now and all of it. No politician would want

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Speaker 3: you probably shouldn't be engaging that behavior. But I agree

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Speaker 3: with you, actually, I think the report should be released

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Speaker 3: if you want to be the top law enforcement officer.

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Speaker 3: First of all, I mean you got to think about

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Speaker 3: this in terms of blackmail and compromise, you know what

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01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 3: people used to talk about a lot during the Trump era.

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Speaker 3: You kind of do want all of your skeletons out

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Speaker 3: at this point, and to be honest again, in the

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Speaker 3: Trump era, like this stuff is not going to sink you.

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Speaker 3: Will it be bad, But for Trump himself, will it

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Speaker 3: really lead to him withdrawing his nomination?

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Speaker 4: No? No, I don't see at all.

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Speaker 2: And I do think like I do think if he

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Speaker 2: he wants Gates, he's going to get Gates. And you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean you made the point about like he genuinely

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Speaker 2: on economics is like had sets likes Lena Khan and whatever.

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Speaker 2: But I also don't think we should fool ourselves that

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Speaker 2: that's why he got picked. He got picked because he's

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Speaker 2: a loyalist. He got picked because whoever Trump wants Gates

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Speaker 2: to go after, Gates is going to go after and

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Speaker 2: you know, so that's why he's put in the position.

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Speaker 2: And that is what Donald Trump talked about on the

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Speaker 2: campaign trail. I disagreed that that's really what people voted for.

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Speaker 2: I think people voted more for, like, hey, the economy

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01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 2: was kind of good with him more so than like,

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Speaker 2: you know, I want Matt.

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Speaker 1: Gates to be Attorney.

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Speaker 2: General in the United States. But you're right, it's not

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Speaker 2: like he didn't. It's not like his statements on the

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Speaker 2: campaign trail are inconsistent with this type of a choice

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Speaker 2: for attorney generally the United States. I do think his

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Speaker 2: statements on the campaign trail are inconsistent with like Marco

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Speaker 2: Rubio and other neo cons being selept selective for key

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Speaker 2: foreign policy positions.

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Speaker 1: But no one should have been.

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01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 2: Surprised about that either if you look at you know,

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01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:01,720
Speaker 2: how inconsistent Trump himself has been, what his first term

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01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 2: was like etcetera, etcetera. So the other person we referenced

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Speaker 2: here is Pete Hegseth, who has his own allegations that

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Speaker 2: have just emerged against him. Let's go and put this

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Speaker 2: up on the screen. He's of course picked for Secretary

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Speaker 2: of Defense. Again, very important to know these things in

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01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 2: terms of potential blackmail. And so the allegations here are

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Speaker 2: that so we know that he did pay an accuser

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Speaker 2: who said that he had sexually assaulted her.

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Speaker 1: The story goes.

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Speaker 2: That he was at some conference in California and there

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Speaker 2: was a woman who was she's a conservative Republican who

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Speaker 2: was staying at the hotel there with her small children

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Speaker 2: and her husband, who was tasked with the unenviable task

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Speaker 2: of trying to get Pete a drunken Pete Hegseeth back

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Speaker 2: to his hotel room. Apparently a couple of other women

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01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 2: that he was at the bar with were becoming kind

1512
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:56,760
Speaker 2: of uncomfortable with him and his overtures that they were

1513
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,559
Speaker 2: making to him. So this one was to asked with, Okay,

1514
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 2: let's get drunken Pete Hegseth back up to his room

1515
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 2: because he's got to make his flight tomorrow. And then,

1516
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 2: according to her at some point in the evening she

1517
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 2: received these texts from the bar. She says that she

1518
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 2: sensed Hegseth was irritated. What happened next is in dispute,

1519
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 2: they write. According to the memo, Jane Doe did not

1520
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 2: remember anything until she was in his hotel room, then

1521
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 2: stumbling to find her hotel room. Her memory of six

1522
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:23,679
Speaker 2: to nine hours was very hazy. Her husband was searching

1523
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 2: for her and was relieved when she finally showed up.

1524
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 2: The following day, the woman returned home, had a moment

1525
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 2: of hazy memory of being raped the night before, had

1526
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 2: a panic attack, went to the emergency room, received a

1527
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:35,719
Speaker 2: rape kit examination that was positive for semen. The woman

1528
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 2: gave county authorities a statement about what happened. According to

1529
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 2: the memo sent to the transition team, Hegseth says, this

1530
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 2: is all a lie that she concocted to try to

1531
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 2: save her marriage, and that the encounter was consensual. Obviously,

1532
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 2: you know her version of events is very different from that.

1533
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:53,839
Speaker 2: We do know that he paid her some undisclosed settlement

1534
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 2: amount to keep this whole thing quiet. And then the

1535
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 2: other thing that we know we can put a nine

1536
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:00,760
Speaker 2: up on the screen is that only the Trump team

1537
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 2: was caught off guard by this.

1538
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:04,600
Speaker 1: They didn't know about this particular allegation.

1539
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:08,720
Speaker 2: There is a police record of the you know, the

1540
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:12,400
Speaker 2: that was recorded at the time of the alleged incident.

1541
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 2: And so they were kind of caught off guard and

1542
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:17,760
Speaker 2: had some meetings about this and how serious it was

1543
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:20,559
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. But like they seem to be standing

1544
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 2: by him, and that doesn't surprise me.

1545
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 4: No, it's air.

1546
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:25,479
Speaker 3: Look, I mean again with Pete hagg Seth, it's his

1547
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:26,679
Speaker 3: own personal life.

1548
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:28,800
Speaker 4: It's not exactly like he was an angel.

1549
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 2: So yeah, and this is the guy that runs around

1550
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 2: with all kind of you know, ultra Christian tattoos and whatever.

1551
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 3: See even on that it's like, you know, everyone, what

1552
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 3: is a dous vault that everyone's making. It's like guys

1553
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:41,639
Speaker 3: in the twenty tens that was huge in military culture.

1554
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:43,760
Speaker 3: It has nothing to do like a crusader's cross on

1555
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 3: his chest, Yeah, which he got in Israel. That's actually

1556
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 3: a little weird if you asked me what. That's a

1557
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:51,720
Speaker 3: separate conversation. The same thing about Pete hag Seth that

1558
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 3: I think about RFK and Tulsi and all these people.

1559
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 4: These people want to blow shit up.

1560
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 3: Pete hag Seth is an anti DEI warrior. People should

1561
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 3: go and listen to him on the Sean Ryan podcast,

1562
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 3: which he gave It was a couple of weeks ago,

1563
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 3: where he talked about his book. He's made it pretty

1564
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 3: clear like what he wants to do, and that's why

1565
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:12,599
Speaker 3: Trump picked him.

1566
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:14,560
Speaker 4: I would also say there's a huge part of revenge.

1567
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 3: And I was texting you guys whenever I was on

1568
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:19,439
Speaker 3: the plane whenever he got picked, because I was like,

1569
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:22,720
Speaker 3: people forget. They tried to pick him for VA secretary

1570
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:26,440
Speaker 3: last time in twenty eighteen. The Pentagon and the bureaucracy

1571
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 3: hate peak eg Seth Pete. They specifically the Pentagon hates

1572
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 3: him because he circumvented the UCMJ or whatever and got

1573
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:36,720
Speaker 3: Eddie Gallagher and those people out of prison and to

1574
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 3: get Trump to pardon them while he was in the military.

1575
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 3: So the brass despises him more than anything.

1576
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:43,000
Speaker 1: Those are the criminals that he got.

1577
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 3: Allegedly, well he pardoned them. So look, actually the case

1578
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:46,840
Speaker 3: is complicated. There's a good book called.

1579
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:47,680
Speaker 1: Alphabet They were.

1580
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 4: People still go and read about it.

1581
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 3: No, I'm saying the book itself was end no, I'm

1582
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 3: saying the book basically it's questionable. At least in Eddie's case,

1583
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:57,760
Speaker 3: it's a weird case. He should go and read about

1584
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:00,120
Speaker 3: it Alpha Platoon by a New York Times reporter. By

1585
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 3: the way, he thinks Eddie is guilty, but at least he

1586
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:05,040
Speaker 3: goes into the details. My point is is that on

1587
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 3: hag Sat, specifically, the bureaucracy hates his guts. He himself though,

1588
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:12,800
Speaker 3: is I think he will be very popular with the

1589
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 3: rank and file. But really what it is is, if

1590
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 3: you combine this with the quote unquote like anti woke,

1591
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 3: anti four star agenda and people who are genuinely loyal

1592
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:24,640
Speaker 3: to Trump, Hegseth is the correct choice. Hegsath is a

1593
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 3: former Fox News contributor. He We're being honest on ideology.

1594
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 3: This dude is all over the damn map. He's pro Israel.

1595
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 3: He was pro Iraq War. Then he was against the

1596
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 3: Iraq War. It was pro well you want pro war.

1597
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 2: He led an organization that was like pushing the Iraq war.

1598
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 1: I mean he was a cheerleader.

1599
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 4: And defend Pete. Hegsett's like pro Iraq.

1600
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 3: The best case I can give for you is Pete

1601
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:51,760
Speaker 3: is a maga dude, And for people who know him,

1602
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:54,800
Speaker 3: including some people I've spoken to, he fundamentally changes his

1603
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:57,799
Speaker 3: mind when Donald Trump became the person who was in charge.

1604
01:13:57,920 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 3: He became a major Trump booster when he was on

1605
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 3: Fox and Friends on Ukraine, he has had a complete

1606
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 3: one eighty from an interview that I saw that he

1607
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:07,559
Speaker 3: gave just a few months ago, So I can at

1608
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 3: least tell you on that front, he's good to go.

1609
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:11,920
Speaker 3: But really what it is is that I actually don't

1610
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 3: think he's ideological on foreign policy as much as he

1611
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:15,760
Speaker 3: is just a Trump.

1612
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 1: Yes.

1613
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean to be honest, like, you know,

1614
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:21,799
Speaker 3: that's frankly best case scenario whenever you're thinking about somebody

1615
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 3: like Marco Rubio or Mike Waltz, who are for real ideologues,

1616
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:29,439
Speaker 3: who really do have an agenda, who have people an

1617
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:33,879
Speaker 3: entire like national security generation of people who are committed

1618
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 3: neo cons who they will bring in under their team.

1619
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:39,520
Speaker 3: A key part that I talked about on the lextreaman

1620
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 3: podcast so give away some of it here for free

1621
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:46,320
Speaker 3: is I was like Trump misunderstands bureaucracy and also his

1622
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:50,439
Speaker 3: own role. So like Trump on Rogan, very interesting part

1623
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 3: of it where he was like, oh, I hired John

1624
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 3: Bolton because he makes people afraid. And people were like,

1625
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 3: oh see, he hires the Hawks strategically, and it's like, well,

1626
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:01,680
Speaker 3: first of all, what you don't understand is that when

1627
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:04,599
Speaker 3: Trump is not paying attention and watching Fox and Friends

1628
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:06,880
Speaker 3: in the Oval office, is that John Bolton's in the

1629
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:09,879
Speaker 3: situation room and he's running all that shit. So Bolton,

1630
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:12,719
Speaker 3: there's a million things that are all happening that Donald

1631
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:16,959
Speaker 3: Trump never ever touches right his desk. The inner agency process,

1632
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 3: that ideology that spreads through the government. Government is not

1633
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:23,960
Speaker 3: one person, it's five thousand people, and you want all

1634
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:26,520
Speaker 3: five thousand of those people to be united on an agenda.

1635
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 3: So when you intentionally pick people who don't agree with you,

1636
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:31,600
Speaker 3: or even maybe they do agree with you, whatever the

1637
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:33,920
Speaker 3: scary part of that is, but who have a real

1638
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 3: ideological agenda, you will have consequences for your actions that

1639
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:40,240
Speaker 3: you may not even knowingly sign up for. So Marco Rubio,

1640
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:43,799
Speaker 3: will Trump really give a shit about South America policy?

1641
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 3: Almost certainly not right zero in terms of its importance.

1642
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:49,760
Speaker 3: You think Marko Rubio, the guy who literally wanted like

1643
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:53,759
Speaker 3: a push in Venezuela for Juan Wide. Oh and once

1644
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 3: like a return to nineteen eighty style South American revolutionary

1645
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:00,680
Speaker 3: or whatever stuff under Ronald Reagan. Yeah, I think he

1646
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 3: will care under the State Department, and he will install

1647
01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:06,080
Speaker 3: people under his turn you know, in his office who

1648
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 3: Donald Trump never even thinks about.

1649
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 4: But could we have tremendous consequence for policy.

1650
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:12,760
Speaker 3: So that is a big problem with a lot of

1651
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 3: Trump's big ideological picks is he does not understand government

1652
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 3: at a fundamental level because he thinks that it's all

1653
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:23,760
Speaker 3: about him, which, of course like serves his role.

1654
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:25,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, but the inner agency process of.

1655
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:27,639
Speaker 3: The people that you hire in others, when they are

1656
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 3: really ideological, it's a big problem. And they will, they will,

1657
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:33,600
Speaker 3: They can cause colossal damage on the inside.

1658
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:38,639
Speaker 2: I just think Trump doesn't really isn't really making these

1659
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:45,680
Speaker 2: choices for primarily ideological reasons outside of I know that

1660
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 2: they'll be loyal to me and when push comes to show,

1661
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:49,400
Speaker 2: they're going to do what I want them to do.

1662
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 2: And I'm not talking about like, you know, trade policy

1663
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 2: or whatever. I think that when you know, he wanted

1664
01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:01,559
Speaker 2: to overturn the last election and he met resistance from

1665
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:06,640
Speaker 2: the Department of Justice, Matt resistance from military, met resistance

1666
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 2: from the Senate and his own vice president. He made

1667
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:13,559
Speaker 2: sure he wanted to make sure that that would never

1668
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:17,760
Speaker 2: happen again. So you put in you know, Gates at

1669
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:19,840
Speaker 2: the Department of Justice, like Gates is going to do

1670
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:22,519
Speaker 2: whatever Donald Trump wants him to do. You get JD

1671
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 2: Vance for a vice president instead of Mike Pence. And

1672
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:27,880
Speaker 2: part of that audition process for JD was making sure,

1673
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:29,880
Speaker 2: like you're going to backstop the steal and you're going

1674
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:32,160
Speaker 2: to say you would have done what Mike Pence wouldn't do, period,

1675
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:36,080
Speaker 2: end of story. Pete Hegseth at Department of Defense like

1676
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:39,120
Speaker 2: very similar vibe, like I'm going to make sure that

1677
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 2: these major institutions that stood in my way last time

1678
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 2: are not going to stand in my way this time.

1679
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 2: And same thing with the Senate. Like in some ways,

1680
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 2: all of these confirmations are a test of let me

1681
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:55,559
Speaker 2: put up, like in Matt Gates specifically, let me put up.

1682
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:57,559
Speaker 1: The person that you all literally hate.

1683
01:17:57,360 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 2: Like the most like that you find to be like

1684
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:04,240
Speaker 2: the most odious, And I'm going to force it through.

1685
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:06,800
Speaker 2: And whether it's you all voting for it or me

1686
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:09,679
Speaker 2: just doing it, anyway, you're going to see you will

1687
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 2: not resist me this time. And I'm and this was

1688
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:15,280
Speaker 2: also important with the power play that he pulled with

1689
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 2: the advice and consent process, right because this is an

1690
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:21,080
Speaker 2: important part of the Senate powers. They're very proud of

1691
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:22,719
Speaker 2: their role in this, like this is a big deal

1692
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:26,000
Speaker 2: for them, right. And you got John Throune now in there,

1693
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 2: who is going to be the Senate Majority leader, who

1694
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 2: is not the pick of Maga, not who Donald Trump wanted.

1695
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:35,800
Speaker 2: He's like a Mitch McConnell type acolyte. But even with him,

1696
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:38,480
Speaker 2: when Trump was like, we're going to do recess appointments

1697
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 2: and I'm going to get my picks, John Thune was

1698
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 2: right away like, yes, okay, we will do that. So

1699
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 2: a lot of these moves, Yes, there are different ideologies

1700
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:51,479
Speaker 2: that he likes and in this way or likes this

1701
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:55,800
Speaker 2: piece or whatever. The consistent through line to me is

1702
01:18:56,000 --> 01:19:00,320
Speaker 2: any institution that was an obstacle to my ambitions on

1703
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 2: not again, not really policy, but on like overturning the election.

1704
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 2: If you are an obstacle, then I'm going to make

1705
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 2: sure that those institutions are bent to my will this time.

1706
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:14,800
Speaker 2: And you know that's that's what I see primarily in

1707
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:18,599
Speaker 2: these picks, because there isn't an ideological consistency between Marco

1708
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:20,879
Speaker 2: Rubio and Tulci Gabberty, right.

1709
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:24,639
Speaker 1: That that is literally literally, yeah, that.

1710
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 2: Is the you know that is even between like a

1711
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 2: Pete Hexett and an RFK Junior. There's not ideological consistency.

1712
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:34,639
Speaker 2: You know, it's about who is going to be there

1713
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 2: in these institutions that were previously an obstacle to me

1714
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:41,720
Speaker 2: being able to, you know, do everything I wanted to do.

1715
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 2: How am I going to make sure that that doesn't

1716
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:46,760
Speaker 2: stand in my way this time around? And you know,

1717
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:48,960
Speaker 2: you've already got the Supreme Court in a lot of ways,

1718
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 2: you know, not fully, but in many ways kind of

1719
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 2: you know, it's shaped by his choices that are on

1720
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 2: the court. He's likely to get at least one war

1721
01:19:57,439 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 2: Supreme Court pick. The Supreme Court has already said that

1722
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:04,200
Speaker 2: he's immune for any quote unquote official acts. What exactly

1723
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:06,400
Speaker 2: that means is yet to be adjudicated. But you know

1724
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:10,240
Speaker 2: why bandwidth there for his own personal immunity. So I

1725
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:12,400
Speaker 2: think there's going to be very little that stands in

1726
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 2: his way in terms of getting what he wants and

1727
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 2: when he wants it.

1728
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:20,320
Speaker 3: I think, yes, and no in terms of this, for example,

1729
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 3: it gets down to what are we actually talking about here.

1730
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:27,800
Speaker 3: So for let's say the DEI like woke thing, right,

1731
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:30,599
Speaker 3: that's an area where Pete Hegsath is going to have

1732
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:34,000
Speaker 3: the total backing of the president. Let's see also in

1733
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 3: terms of I think it really is just going to

1734
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 3: depend on a case by case basis. Because even for

1735
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:41,800
Speaker 3: what you said about recess appointments, it may be true

1736
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:44,639
Speaker 3: that John Thune said, yeah, let's do recess appointments. Guess

1737
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 3: what Mitch McConnell said today, We're not doing any research appointments.

1738
01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 3: And John Thune was like, we don't have the support

1739
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 3: in the conference to do any recess appointments. Basically, they

1740
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:54,360
Speaker 3: don't want a cave to the president because in the

1741
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:56,840
Speaker 3: future they don't want Democrats when they have power to

1742
01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 3: do recess appointments too, right, Which is funny, but it's

1743
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:01,479
Speaker 3: you know, show you that they still have some auth word.

1744
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 2: But the Trump people have worked down this provision that

1745
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:07,440
Speaker 2: they think that they could use where there's this technicality

1746
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 2: if the House in the center are in dispute about

1747
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:13,400
Speaker 2: whether or not they're adjourned and in a recess, then

1748
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:15,680
Speaker 2: the president can come in and say we're in a recess.

1749
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 2: And so that's the power that they plan to use

1750
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:20,080
Speaker 2: to basically have this led from the White House, where

1751
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 2: it's like, we don't really care John Thune and Mitch

1752
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:26,719
Speaker 2: McConnell whether you have the votes to go into recess.

1753
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:31,599
Speaker 2: We're gonna do it and maybe ultimately through the courts

1754
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:34,400
Speaker 2: and blah blah blah. Maybe there's some pushback, but you know,

1755
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:37,639
Speaker 2: who knows. Trump's got a lot of his own judges

1756
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 2: on the bench at this point, and a Supreme Court

1757
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:42,960
Speaker 2: that's quite amenable to him as well. But you know,

1758
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:46,719
Speaker 2: they they have plans in place to get even someone

1759
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:48,800
Speaker 2: like a Matt Gates or an RFK junior or who

1760
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:51,559
Speaker 2: have Toulsi whoever you think is the most difficult to confirm,

1761
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 2: to get them through. Which is why I just think that,

1762
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:57,639
Speaker 2: you know, I think that there is a I think

1763
01:21:57,680 --> 01:22:00,479
Speaker 2: there is a concerted plan to make sure that there

1764
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:03,400
Speaker 2: is no institutional obstacle to Trump doing whatever Trump wants

1765
01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:03,640
Speaker 2: to do.

1766
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:04,519
Speaker 1: What does that mean?

1767
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:06,360
Speaker 2: I don't think we really know, because it's not like

1768
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:08,439
Speaker 2: we could have predicted stop the stale in advance. It's

1769
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 2: not like we could have predicted you know, the Black

1770
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:12,320
Speaker 2: Lives Matter protests and Trump saying, hey, let's just go

1771
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:14,639
Speaker 2: and shoot the protesters and the legs. Like, I don't

1772
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:17,479
Speaker 2: know that we know what that's ultimately going to mean

1773
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:21,439
Speaker 2: in terms of how he uses the you know, the

1774
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 2: powers of the government and the military and whatever. But that,

1775
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:29,360
Speaker 2: to me, getting all of those roadblocks that previously irked

1776
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:33,160
Speaker 2: him out of the way is the primary thrust of

1777
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:35,720
Speaker 2: both the sort of policy thinking that's going into the

1778
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:37,920
Speaker 2: transition and certainly into these personnel choices.

1779
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:40,920
Speaker 4: I don't think there's any policy going into the transition.

1780
01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:42,200
Speaker 2: You know, but I'm talking about, like, for example, the

1781
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 2: thing about the how we could use this policy to

1782
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:47,559
Speaker 2: get into recess. Yes, you know those sorts of things

1783
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 2: how Jeff talked about. You know, actually there's you can

1784
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:54,559
Speaker 2: use a national security emergency to institute all of your terrorists,

1785
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:57,360
Speaker 2: Like there is there is thinking about how they can

1786
01:22:57,360 --> 01:22:59,920
Speaker 2: basically bypass any sort of thing that was a check

1787
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,519
Speaker 2: previously and get done whatever the hell it is that

1788
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 2: they want to get done.

1789
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 3: I don't think that's an incorrect view of it. I

1790
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 3: think it will really come down. But first of all,

1791
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 3: Trump is a deeply capricious person who changes his mind

1792
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:14,960
Speaker 3: literally constantly and depending on the last person that he

1793
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:18,040
Speaker 3: spoke to. So anybody who thinks he has some concerted

1794
01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:19,839
Speaker 3: grand plan or any of that, I don't.

1795
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:21,000
Speaker 4: Think any of that is true.

1796
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:22,760
Speaker 3: I do think it's correct that the picks that he

1797
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:25,640
Speaker 3: has gone with are based upon personal loyalty and basically

1798
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:29,280
Speaker 3: nothing else. I think that could have great you know,

1799
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:31,559
Speaker 3: that have a lot of pluses and minuses. In some cases,

1800
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:33,960
Speaker 3: when he wants to do good things, it'll be fantastic.

1801
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:35,800
Speaker 3: In some cases, whenever he wants to follow through and

1802
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 3: stop the steal or some other bullshit like that, it

1803
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 3: can be very detrimental to the American system. The question

1804
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:46,719
Speaker 3: really will come down to what the institutional pushback within

1805
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:50,160
Speaker 3: the permanent bureaucracy will look like, what Congress and its

1806
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 3: immense powers will be able to flex, and then of

1807
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 3: course the Supreme Court. I do think people overestimate the

1808
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:59,240
Speaker 3: loyalty that the Supreme Court will give Donald Trump. Don't forget,

1809
01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:02,680
Speaker 3: while they do give him immunity under the last Roberts term,

1810
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:06,120
Speaker 3: they shot down numerous attempts by him to bypass the

1811
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:10,120
Speaker 3: interagency process from the Census, the so called travel like

1812
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:12,639
Speaker 3: Muslim ban, and I can go on forever. I mean

1813
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:15,599
Speaker 3: the Obamacare thing, even before that. So there are many

1814
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:19,400
Speaker 3: examples of the of Trump trying to, you know, use

1815
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:22,479
Speaker 3: this new legal authority where this is where I think

1816
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:25,960
Speaker 3: Jeff is also underestimating, you know, what the legal the

1817
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 3: legal system and the Ninth Circuit and the way our

1818
01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:32,479
Speaker 3: entire appellate court work and the rents that they can

1819
01:24:32,479 --> 01:24:35,040
Speaker 3: throw in. You can, you know, theorize all day long.

1820
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 3: Joe Biden tried to do a lot of things under

1821
01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:39,719
Speaker 3: executive order like this, you know, the student loan and

1822
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 3: all other stuff is shit gets struck down constantly. You know,

1823
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:45,479
Speaker 3: the appellate courts can come in and they can change things.

1824
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:48,040
Speaker 3: So I wouldn't underestimate, on the other side what the

1825
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:50,040
Speaker 3: institutional checks are, although it will be a much more

1826
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:51,120
Speaker 3: of a loyalist administration.

1827
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:52,680
Speaker 6: But I think we knew that going in. I think

1828
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:55,240
Speaker 6: we also knew that going in. I'm certainly, but I

1829
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:57,920
Speaker 6: think I knew that going in. I don't, like, I

1830
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:01,599
Speaker 6: don't know if that's what like. I do think that

1831
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:08,960
Speaker 6: there is a significant frustration with democracy in the public

1832
01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 6: where the idea of like He's just going to be

1833
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 6: a strong man and come in and you know, he's like,

1834
01:25:14,240 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 6: I'm going to be a dictator on day one. Like

1835
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:20,599
Speaker 6: for some people, for some people that was something they

1836
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:22,320
Speaker 6: had to overcome to vote for him, and for some

1837
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 6: people that was a feature, not a bug, that was

1838
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:27,520
Speaker 6: an affirmative part of the pitch of like, hey, democracy,

1839
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:30,519
Speaker 6: like this doesn't seem so great. Let's just get someone

1840
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:33,360
Speaker 6: in there who's gonna, like, you know, do whatever he

1841
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:35,760
Speaker 6: wants to do. So yeah, in that sense, I think

1842
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:38,320
Speaker 6: there is a chunk of the public that basically voted

1843
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:41,639
Speaker 6: for like authoritarian power taking. And I think that's I mean,

1844
01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 6: I think that's the plan and what we're seeing effectuated here,

1845
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:47,640
Speaker 6: which yeah, it doesn't. I mean, it's entirely consistent with

1846
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 6: what he was saying and with the way he wanted

1847
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:52,120
Speaker 6: to operate in the first term.

1848
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 2: And the other thing is and then well you can

1849
01:25:56,200 --> 01:25:57,880
Speaker 2: respond if you want, we'll move on, because we've been

1850
01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:02,120
Speaker 2: talking about this for a while. But you also see

1851
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:08,760
Speaker 2: a number of previously like bastions of quote unquote resistance

1852
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:13,839
Speaker 2: that have really, out of fear or necessity or whatever,

1853
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 2: have really capitulated to Trump. So even before the election,

1854
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:21,599
Speaker 2: you saw Bezos being like, you know, Washington Post, We're

1855
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:26,040
Speaker 2: not going to do an endorsement. You saw Zuckerberg, Sundhar Puchai,

1856
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:29,960
Speaker 2: Tim Cook, Tim Apple as Trump calls him, all of

1857
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:33,760
Speaker 2: them calling Trump, hey, big guy, just calling a check in,

1858
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 2: really excited for the next administration, trying to make nice

1859
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:41,360
Speaker 2: with him because they know that the way that that

1860
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:43,559
Speaker 2: he was going to get his loyals in place, and

1861
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:46,040
Speaker 2: he was going to use the federal government to, you know,

1862
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 2: go after whether it's like Amazon, which has tons of

1863
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:53,439
Speaker 2: government contracts, or cracked on on Facebook for any sort

1864
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:57,120
Speaker 2: of like politics, political speech on there that he doesn't like,

1865
01:26:57,160 --> 01:26:58,920
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. Like the powers of the federal

1866
01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:01,040
Speaker 2: garmer in vast and he's not afraid to weaponize them.

1867
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:03,720
Speaker 2: So there was a lot of already capitulation to that.

1868
01:27:04,120 --> 01:27:08,599
Speaker 2: And then one funny and annoying indicator of this as well.

1869
01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:11,120
Speaker 2: You had Morning Joe, Joe and Mika.

1870
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:12,680
Speaker 4: We're going to cover it tomorrow, I think we have,

1871
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:13,479
Speaker 4: but just to.

1872
01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:16,519
Speaker 2: Tease it for now, Joe and Mika making the trek

1873
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:20,320
Speaker 2: down tomorrow Lago to bend the knee and kiss the ring.

1874
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:23,599
Speaker 2: And Steve Bannon is out there saying, hey, Matt Gates

1875
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:26,000
Speaker 2: is he literally said mack Gates is going to prosecute

1876
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:30,720
Speaker 2: MSNBC host like Ari melbur he named specifically don't go out.

1877
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:33,400
Speaker 2: So you think Joe and Mika are thinking, like, hey,

1878
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:35,280
Speaker 2: you know, maybe we need to get on the other

1879
01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:39,080
Speaker 2: side of this, just to be sure and hedge our bets.

1880
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:43,040
Speaker 2: So I also think that some of the previous bastions

1881
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:46,880
Speaker 2: of resistance in twenty sixteen we already know, are not

1882
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:49,280
Speaker 2: going to be there this time around as well. And

1883
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:51,000
Speaker 2: you know, I think the courts could also be part

1884
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:51,200
Speaker 2: of that.

1885
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 4: It's certainly possible, I would see.

1886
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:54,920
Speaker 3: The thing is is that this time around, the grounds

1887
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 3: or resistance are just not there.

1888
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:58,599
Speaker 4: Trump is not a one off. He's that democratically elected,

1889
01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:00,040
Speaker 4: twice elected.

1890
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:01,240
Speaker 1: Always grounds for no.

1891
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:04,920
Speaker 3: But I'm saying, like the Russia Gate shock, the lack

1892
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:07,120
Speaker 3: of the popular vote, all that stuff, last time around,

1893
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:08,920
Speaker 3: it's gone, and I mean it should be gone. Trump

1894
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:11,880
Speaker 3: has been literally elected with the popular vote with a

1895
01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:14,840
Speaker 3: mandate to govern, not for the first time of Republicans'

1896
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:15,559
Speaker 3: two thousand and four.

1897
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:18,560
Speaker 4: So you have to adjust your priors just like dramatically.

1898
01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:20,479
Speaker 2: And a lot of liberals have the view basically that

1899
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 2: you expressed hocer of like Hey, you people voted for this,

1900
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:27,280
Speaker 2: get You're going to get what you deserve. Is the attitude.

1901
01:28:27,320 --> 01:28:30,160
Speaker 2: It's not like I think we frame it. I think

1902
01:28:30,160 --> 01:28:32,920
Speaker 2: that sound rageous, but that is that is what you know.

1903
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:38,520
Speaker 2: There's like okay, you know, Latinos, you voted for mass deportation,

1904
01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:42,000
Speaker 2: Like okay, now you're this is what Joy Reed said,

1905
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:46,400
Speaker 2: like now you're responsible for your mixed status family getting deported,

1906
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:50,559
Speaker 2: Like okay, Muslim Americans, you voted for Trump, Like enjoy

1907
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:53,559
Speaker 2: as your family members are slaughtered in Gaza and the

1908
01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 2: West Bank, is you know, permanently annexed.

1909
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:56,799
Speaker 1: Et cetera, et cetera.

1910
01:28:57,200 --> 01:29:00,519
Speaker 2: I think that that's personally from the liberal perspect I

1911
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:04,759
Speaker 2: know you like come at this from a different different angle.

1912
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:06,720
Speaker 2: I'm not from the liberal perspective. I think that that

1913
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:10,200
Speaker 2: is disgusting to just like, you know, okay, you deserve

1914
01:29:10,240 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 2: what you get, et cetera, et cetera. But that there

1915
01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:15,320
Speaker 2: is that's part of the capitulation to this view is

1916
01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:18,519
Speaker 2: like we're not going to fight it, like enjoy you know,

1917
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:23,439
Speaker 2: enjoy your new Muslim and enjoy your mass deportation. If

1918
01:29:23,479 --> 01:29:25,600
Speaker 2: you all voted for this, you get what you deserve it.

1919
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:28,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and mine is more of an affirmation. I'm like, look,

1920
01:29:28,479 --> 01:29:29,760
Speaker 3: I think they actually want it, and I think they

1921
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:31,960
Speaker 3: should get it. And I also think that people for

1922
01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:34,280
Speaker 3: so long have been wondering, like, what's it like to

1923
01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:36,240
Speaker 3: actually blow stuff up? And it's like, let's find out,

1924
01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:38,200
Speaker 3: Let's see what happens. You know, it's not like the

1925
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:42,040
Speaker 3: current system is working all that well. And look here's

1926
01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:43,599
Speaker 3: the craziest and most dangerous thing.

1927
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:45,640
Speaker 4: What if it works? What if America likes it?

1928
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:49,360
Speaker 3: I mean you were talking about our authoritarian tendencies. I

1929
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:50,960
Speaker 3: wouldn't put it that way. I think people like a

1930
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:53,960
Speaker 3: strong executive. People have wanted that for a long time.

1931
01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:57,040
Speaker 3: You know, America does like a monarch and name. But

1932
01:29:57,200 --> 01:29:59,920
Speaker 3: only they liked it under FDR. They liked it under Lbag,

1933
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Speaker 3: they liked it under Nixon. The crazy thing in America

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Speaker 3: is we just get to change, you know, who are

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Speaker 3: immensely powerful person is.

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Speaker 4: And I think people genuinely do.

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Speaker 3: You don't want to see us like a serious version

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Speaker 3: of what they actually voted for in practice. The other

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Speaker 3: side of this, and I could be totally wrong too,

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Speaker 3: is that there are all these swing voters out there.

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Speaker 4: Who believe in like checks and balances.

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Speaker 6: Right, I'm a Democratic senator and whatever Republican president.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, well, that's fucking stupid if you ask me,

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Speaker 3: because it's like that means that you're just gonna get

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Speaker 3: nothing done and you're actually voting for the status quo.

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Speaker 4: But you know, you do what you want.

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Speaker 3: So I do think though, that there are a large

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Speaker 3: percentage of people, dramatic percentages of people who did swing,

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Speaker 3: especially in these swing coalitions, who voted for Donald Trump,

1950
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Speaker 3: who want to like light the match and put it

1951
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Speaker 3: on the fire and just see what happens. And so

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Speaker 3: in this respect like this, you know, you may call

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Speaker 3: it authoritarian. I think he's like the vehicle. I mean,

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Speaker 3: what did you say in his twenty sixteen inauguration. I'm

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Speaker 3: forgetting the exact I am your retribution, right, I am

1956
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Speaker 3: your retribution.

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Speaker 4: I think that's a.

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Speaker 3: Real reason why a lot of people voted for Trump,

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Speaker 3: and how it will manifest itself.

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Speaker 4: I mean that's still a big in and open question.

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Speaker 3: All right, everybody, we had to skip ahead to UFO.

1962
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Speaker 3: We just talked way too much. So the DNC and

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Speaker 3: the Ukraine sections will be pushed to tomorrow, so Tuesday,

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Speaker 3: don't worry we'll have a nice full show already stuff

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Speaker 3: that we're going to discuss, but I did want to

1966
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Speaker 3: get into the show a little bit of a recap

1967
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Speaker 3: of the UFO hearing. There were some very interesting moments

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Speaker 3: that happened there, so we've collated a few of them

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Speaker 3: for you. The first that we want to start with

1970
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Speaker 3: is testimony and questioning from lou Elizondo, who was a

1971
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Speaker 3: part of the Pentagon and one of the people chiefly

1972
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Speaker 3: responsible for bringing to light the public to the public

1973
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Speaker 3: the existence of a lot of these UFO videos that

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Speaker 3: existed inside of the Pentagon and for some of the

1975
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Speaker 3: transparency movement behind it. So he gave some really shocking

1976
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Speaker 3: testimony under questioning from Anna Paulina Luna.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 1: Would you agree that it's likely that they are being

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Speaker 1: piloted by some mind body connection, ma'am.

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Speaker 11: I think it is safe to presume here that they

1981
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Speaker 11: are being intelligently controlled, because some cases seem to anticipate

1982
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Speaker 11: our maneuvers and in other cases they seem to And

1983
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Speaker 11: I came across an email where the word stalked was

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Speaker 11: used in a very secure email between Navy officers discussing

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Speaker 11: their ships being pursued by a UAP.

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Speaker 12: In our previous panel, we had Grush and he had

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Speaker 12: testified to say that some of these were intered dimensional beings.

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Speaker 4: Can you speak on that at all, ma'am.

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Speaker 11: I'm not qualified, certainly as a scientist or otherwise to

1990
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Speaker 11: speculate points of origin. I looked at everything from a

1991
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Speaker 11: scientific perspective. So if you look at, for example, instantaneous acceleration,

1992
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Speaker 11: which was one of the observables of the program that

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Speaker 11: I belonged to ATIP, the human body can stand about

1994
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Speaker 11: nine G forces for a short period of time before

1995
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Speaker 11: you suffer negative biological consequences blackouts and ultimately readouts and

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Speaker 11: even death. Comparison, our best technology, the F sixteen, which

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Speaker 11: is one of this older platform but one of our

1998
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Speaker 11: most highly maneuverable aircraft, manned aircraft made by General Dynamics,

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Speaker 11: you can perform about seventeen or eighteen G forces before

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Speaker 11: you start having structural failure, meaning that the airframe begins

2001
01:33:16,080 --> 01:33:20,280
Speaker 11: to disintegrate where you're flying. The vehicles we're talking about

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Speaker 11: are performing in excess of one thousand, two thousand and

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Speaker 11: three thousand g's.

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Speaker 6: So are you I guess what'd be safe to infer

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Speaker 6: that they're living craft.

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Speaker 11: You know, I'm not prepared at this point to state

2007
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Speaker 11: for the record is something alive or not because even

2008
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:43,080
Speaker 11: that definition, there was a time in science we thought

2009
01:33:43,120 --> 01:33:46,559
Speaker 11: that life required oxygen, and we now know that's not true.

2010
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Speaker 11: They are anaerobic bacteria that's thriving oxygen environments at lack oxygen.

2011
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Speaker 11: And also the same with photosynthesis. When I was in college,

2012
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Speaker 11: it was told everything is derived from photosynthesis as a

2013
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Speaker 11: form of energy, and reality that's not true. There are

2014
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Speaker 11: things that live off of chemosynthesis. So we're constantly having

2015
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Speaker 11: to reevaluate understanding of what the definition of life is.

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Speaker 4: Three thousand g's let that one sink in there.

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Speaker 3: And there's been some discussion previously, especially in regards to

2018
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Speaker 3: the tic TAC incident. Let's also go to the next

2019
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Speaker 3: one here, because this is a really critical part of it.

2020
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Speaker 3: This is specifically about the GOP overside and about some

2021
01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:26,519
Speaker 3: of the previous allegations that were happening in terms of

2022
01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:30,439
Speaker 3: budgeting and how previous ways that the Department of Defense

2023
01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:33,640
Speaker 3: can get around transparency and others is by piloting and

2024
01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:38,799
Speaker 3: pushing them through military contractors to avoid transparency, to avoid disclosure,

2025
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Speaker 3: it's also part of the reason the Pentagon literally cannot

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Speaker 3: pass an audit.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to that section. To your knowledge,

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Speaker 4: any communication with a non human life form.

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Speaker 11: So the term communication is a bit of a trick

2030
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Speaker 11: word because there's verbal communication like we're having now. The

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Speaker 11: problem is you also have nonverbal communication. And so I

2032
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Speaker 11: would say definitively yes, but from a nonverbal meaning. A

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Speaker 11: Russian reconnaissance aircraft comes into US airspace, we scramble two

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Speaker 11: F twenty two's and we are certainly communicating intent and capability.

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Speaker 11: I think the same goes with this. We have these

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Speaker 11: things that are being observed over controlled US airspace, and

2037
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Speaker 11: they're not really doing a good job hiding themselves. They're

2038
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:18,479
Speaker 11: making it pretty obvious they have the ability to even

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01:35:18,479 --> 01:35:21,799
Speaker 11: interfere with our nuclear equities and our nuclear readiness.

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Speaker 3: So two, you know, pretty interesting allegations there. So there's

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Speaker 3: a look. In terms of the hearing, it was a

2042
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Speaker 3: lot about getting stuff on the record. There were some issues,

2043
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Speaker 3: as I was told, in terms of the Immaculate Constellation document,

2044
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Speaker 3: the twelve page document that was put into the congressional record.

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Speaker 3: I won't go into all of that just yet because

2046
01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:41,800
Speaker 3: we're about to play a video. But overall, this was

2047
01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:45,280
Speaker 3: about getting lou Elizondo in questioning getting some of the

2048
01:35:45,320 --> 01:35:49,200
Speaker 3: things on the record going into the Trump administration. And

2049
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Speaker 3: that's one thing where look, Trump and RK actually Gates

2050
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Speaker 3: you know as well, have all said that they are

2051
01:35:56,160 --> 01:36:01,720
Speaker 3: at least you know, in favor of UFO transparent of disclosure.

2052
01:36:02,120 --> 01:36:06,120
Speaker 3: There is like some sort of horseshoe MAGA crossover currently

2053
01:36:06,160 --> 01:36:09,639
Speaker 3: with UFOs and Trump. So the question is is that

2054
01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:12,639
Speaker 3: are we going to get some of this to be released?

2055
01:36:12,680 --> 01:36:14,960
Speaker 3: You know, considering that Tulsa Gabbard's now going up for

2056
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Speaker 3: the ODE and I position, it's certainly possible in some

2057
01:36:18,439 --> 01:36:22,880
Speaker 3: sort of transparency laden effort to actually declassify a lot

2058
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:24,160
Speaker 3: of these documents and actually just.

2059
01:36:24,120 --> 01:36:25,599
Speaker 4: Give it out to the general public.

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Speaker 3: The other option is the permanent bureaucracy only burrows even

2061
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:30,519
Speaker 3: further in and you're not going to get anything. But nonetheless,

2062
01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:32,080
Speaker 3: it was very interesting to see some of this going

2063
01:36:32,080 --> 01:36:32,559
Speaker 3: on the record.

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Speaker 2: Was there enough for during the first Trump administration to

2065
01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:36,559
Speaker 2: get him to release this documents?

2066
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Speaker 1: And why why has he said that he.

2067
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Speaker 4: Didn't this year?

2068
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Speaker 3: So he said he did it at the request of

2069
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:43,679
Speaker 3: Mike Pompeo, just like with the JFK.

2070
01:36:43,880 --> 01:36:45,080
Speaker 4: So let's you know first with that.

2071
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:48,680
Speaker 3: Also, look, Trump doesn't care about the issue, and this

2072
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:52,240
Speaker 3: is unfortunate. He's not somebody who has ever expressed a

2073
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:57,320
Speaker 3: deep interest. The whole UFO thing has taken years to

2074
01:36:57,439 --> 01:37:00,400
Speaker 3: enter the public consciousness. Louel Zondo's one of those people

2075
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Speaker 3: who's chiefly responsible for getting these videos out to the public.

2076
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Speaker 3: He was there and name checked in the twenty seventeen

2077
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Speaker 3: New York Times article that started this whole thing. That's

2078
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:11,559
Speaker 3: when people were like, holy shit, are UFOs actually real.

2079
01:37:11,560 --> 01:37:13,240
Speaker 4: In those videos? I could say that for myself.

2080
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Speaker 3: The problem with the legitimization is people kind of just

2081
01:37:15,479 --> 01:37:17,519
Speaker 3: saw it and then just moved past Louel Is onto

2082
01:37:17,560 --> 01:37:19,880
Speaker 3: himself was out of the government. Then what happened, you know,

2083
01:37:19,960 --> 01:37:22,200
Speaker 3: in the interim period of years is people like David

2084
01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:25,320
Speaker 3: Fraber came out and gave interviews. You had people now

2085
01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:28,240
Speaker 3: like David Grosse who have come forward. You've had almost

2086
01:37:28,280 --> 01:37:31,519
Speaker 3: eight years of the public reconciling himself to both the

2087
01:37:31,560 --> 01:37:34,720
Speaker 3: lies and the transparency, and people like Christopher Miller and

2088
01:37:34,760 --> 01:37:38,160
Speaker 3: others who have come forward and have spoken about this program.

2089
01:37:38,240 --> 01:37:41,200
Speaker 3: So I would say it is more primed I think

2090
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Speaker 3: both for the public, for the military, bureocracy, and also

2091
01:37:44,040 --> 01:37:45,080
Speaker 3: even members of Congress.

2092
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Speaker 4: You know, these are people. It is all a joke.

2093
01:37:48,200 --> 01:37:51,599
Speaker 4: Rubio is a UFO guy. That's very true. Well, okay,

2094
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:52,280
Speaker 4: I'll put it this way.

2095
01:37:52,280 --> 01:37:54,120
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's a UFO guy in terms

2096
01:37:54,120 --> 01:37:56,640
Speaker 3: of he's a believer, but he was the head of

2097
01:37:56,720 --> 01:37:59,640
Speaker 3: the Intelligence Committee in the Senate, and his staff and

2098
01:37:59,680 --> 01:38:02,639
Speaker 3: others were always consistent that they were very concerned about

2099
01:38:02,640 --> 01:38:04,320
Speaker 3: the reports that they would get notice.

2100
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Speaker 4: And I think this is intentional.

2101
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:08,599
Speaker 3: Is they always talk about readiness because the one way

2102
01:38:08,680 --> 01:38:10,880
Speaker 3: angle you can always get Congress and others to care

2103
01:38:10,920 --> 01:38:12,960
Speaker 3: about is like, hey, we literally have things that are

2104
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:14,600
Speaker 3: flying around up there, and we have no idea what

2105
01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:17,799
Speaker 3: they are, including being able to disable like nuclear missile

2106
01:38:17,840 --> 01:38:21,559
Speaker 3: silos and submarines, and people have no clue like what's

2107
01:38:21,720 --> 01:38:25,640
Speaker 3: actually happening. So I think that's how it would contextualize

2108
01:38:25,720 --> 01:38:28,479
Speaker 3: this hearing. I will end with this part, but again

2109
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Speaker 3: I have to note that there were some issues with

2110
01:38:30,760 --> 01:38:33,080
Speaker 3: the enter of this into the record. So let's go

2111
01:38:33,120 --> 01:38:36,879
Speaker 3: ahead and get to Nancy Mace's questioning about the Immaculate Constellation.

2112
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:39,320
Speaker 3: Program entered in the Congressional record. Let's take a listen.

2113
01:38:39,479 --> 01:38:43,080
Speaker 8: There is a document that will be entered into the

2114
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Speaker 8: Congressional record today. Mister Timberchat from Tennessee has this document

2115
01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:51,160
Speaker 8: and we just distributed it to every member up here

2116
01:38:51,160 --> 01:38:54,040
Speaker 8: on the dais of this document. But this is going

2117
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Speaker 8: to be the original document from the Pentagon about Immaculate

2118
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Speaker 8: Constant that Michael Schellenberger delivered to Congress today. So thank

2119
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Speaker 8: you mister Schellenberger for this information. We are all reading

2120
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Speaker 8: it in real time now and mister Burchett will enter

2121
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Speaker 8: it into the record. But twelve pages about this unacknowledged

2122
01:39:16,240 --> 01:39:21,559
Speaker 8: special access program that your government says does not exist.

2123
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:25,160
Speaker 3: Like I said, in terms of that pro basically it's

2124
01:39:25,320 --> 01:39:27,680
Speaker 3: entered into the Congressional record, but as I understand it,

2125
01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:30,400
Speaker 3: like I said, there were some issues regarding the enter

2126
01:39:30,760 --> 01:39:33,760
Speaker 3: of that into the record, and this is part of

2127
01:39:33,800 --> 01:39:37,080
Speaker 3: the controversy and you know, things that have come out

2128
01:39:37,080 --> 01:39:39,440
Speaker 3: of it. My point just being that on the program

2129
01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:42,519
Speaker 3: itself in terms of getting things into the congressional effort,

2130
01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:45,599
Speaker 3: this was an effort to try and to enter Michael

2131
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:49,719
Speaker 3: Schellenberger's original report, you know in there, so that people

2132
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:51,880
Speaker 3: can read for itself, and because you want to get

2133
01:39:51,880 --> 01:39:56,120
Speaker 3: this stuff into the record, it allows for investigation public transparency,

2134
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Speaker 3: which is the ultimate goal.

2135
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Speaker 4: Of the project. Overall.

2136
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Speaker 3: I would not call it hearing like a tremendous success

2137
01:40:00,920 --> 01:40:03,880
Speaker 3: or anything like that, because nothing other than actual disclosure

2138
01:40:04,200 --> 01:40:05,840
Speaker 3: is I think it was just pushing the ball forward

2139
01:40:05,880 --> 01:40:08,320
Speaker 3: and setting things up for the next Trump administration and

2140
01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:08,760
Speaker 3: what that will.

2141
01:40:08,680 --> 01:40:10,840
Speaker 2: Look like gonna be interesting. I know I'm going to

2142
01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:13,040
Speaker 2: get Trump. At least I can get like JFP thousand

2143
01:40:14,160 --> 01:40:14,839
Speaker 2: and aliens.

2144
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Speaker 4: That's would be interesting. I mean, think about it.

2145
01:40:16,479 --> 01:40:18,360
Speaker 3: You know, if you if you ever wanted someone to

2146
01:40:18,360 --> 01:40:20,240
Speaker 3: meet an alien, wouldn't it be Donald Trump?

2147
01:40:20,600 --> 01:40:24,639
Speaker 4: Terms of the president, who would you want? Which which commander?

2148
01:40:24,680 --> 01:40:26,880
Speaker 2: Achievement have definitely not I'm sure this is something that

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Speaker 2: I've really thought that that I'm prepared to find on.

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Speaker 1: I haven't really want to go eat.

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Speaker 3: There is a theory that Dwight Eisenhower once had a

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Speaker 3: conference with aliens, but we won't get to that today.

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Speaker 2: A socialist candidate for mayor of New York City took

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Speaker 2: a unique approach to finding out why non white working

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Speaker 2: class voters in the Bronx and in Queen's decided to vote.

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Speaker 1: How they did? He actually went and awesome.

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Speaker 5: Did you get a chance to vote on Tuesday?

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01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:50,880
Speaker 4: I didn't vote?

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01:40:50,920 --> 01:40:52,120
Speaker 5: And why did you not vote?

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01:40:52,640 --> 01:40:54,799
Speaker 4: Because I don't believe in the system anymore.

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Speaker 5: Did you get a chance to vote on Tuesday?

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01:40:56,320 --> 01:40:56,559
Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 5: And who did you vote for?

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Speaker 1: Trump?

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Speaker 4: A million dollar question?

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Speaker 5: Trump Trump?

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01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:02,519
Speaker 7: Donald Trump?

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Speaker 13: Well, actually early voted. I voted for Trump.

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Speaker 4: Honestly, I didn't vote.

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Speaker 1: He voted for Trump.

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Speaker 14: I voted for Trump.

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01:41:08,400 --> 01:41:11,240
Speaker 13: I vote for trumpet before I vote Democrats.

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Speaker 12: At this moment, I voted Donald Trump.

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Speaker 5: Hillside Avenue in Queens and Fordham Road in the Bronx

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01:41:15,720 --> 01:41:17,880
Speaker 5: are two areas that saw the biggest shift.

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01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:19,200
Speaker 4: Towards Trump in last week's election.

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Speaker 5: Even more residents didn't vote at all.

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Speaker 7: They like Trump because they don't want the Palestinian the

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Speaker 7: Brothers to kill the war in Ukraine.

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Speaker 5: The Democrat is giving all the money in the water.

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01:41:30,360 --> 01:41:32,640
Speaker 5: This is no good. The swing is because people want

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Speaker 5: lower prices.

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Speaker 14: They probably believe that Trump will give them that.

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Speaker 8: Market energy gas.

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Speaker 7: Also, these people are working families. They're working one to

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Speaker 7: two three jobs and rent as expensive, foods are going up,

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01:41:46,840 --> 01:41:48,240
Speaker 7: Utility bills are up, and.

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Speaker 5: That's your hope to see a little bit more of

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Speaker 5: an affordable life.

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Speaker 14: Absolutely, what Trump did in the first four years fordham

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Speaker 14: Road saw something where Kamala couldn't do that.

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Speaker 6: There are young voters who didn't wrote for her because

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Speaker 6: of the genocide and what wouldn't have about her if

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Speaker 6: I did.

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Speaker 1: But I did vote for her obviously because that comments on.

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Speaker 5: Can you tell me a little bit more about why

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Speaker 5: you didn't vote since you're out here, you know Gaza?

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01:42:07,240 --> 01:42:09,040
Speaker 5: Who should I vote either side?

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Speaker 14: We'll go ahead, send bombs from here to kill my

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01:42:12,520 --> 01:42:13,439
Speaker 14: brothers and sisters.

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Speaker 13: Palestine issue, and then the other issue is that, like

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Speaker 13: Rassia and the Ukraine, he stopped that war.

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01:42:19,160 --> 01:42:20,080
Speaker 5: That's why I vote him.

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Speaker 12: You can't say you're a Democrat and stand for the

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01:42:23,200 --> 01:42:24,920
Speaker 12: genocide that's going on in Gaza.

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Speaker 1: Period.

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Speaker 5: Practically, I like I like you, but I don't look

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Speaker 5: like you.

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Speaker 10: See regarda plot people have dying.

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Speaker 5: Have you voted for Democrats in the past?

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01:42:35,200 --> 01:42:35,400
Speaker 4: I have?

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01:42:35,920 --> 01:42:37,360
Speaker 5: And what would it take for you to vote for

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01:42:37,400 --> 01:42:38,400
Speaker 5: a Democrat in the future.

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01:42:38,800 --> 01:42:42,200
Speaker 7: Being able to pay attention to the regular Americans and

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01:42:42,240 --> 01:42:43,920
Speaker 7: their economic needs.

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01:42:43,680 --> 01:42:47,040
Speaker 12: They shouldn't make economics the forefront of their campaign, the.

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Speaker 1: People were not really feeling it in their pockets.

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Speaker 13: I vote if for Hillary Clinton in twenty sixteen. I

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01:42:51,640 --> 01:42:55,800
Speaker 13: voted against Trump also in the twenty eighteen midterms, insulting us,

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01:42:55,840 --> 01:42:58,240
Speaker 13: playing on our emotions. All they do is shame you,

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01:42:58,320 --> 01:43:01,439
Speaker 13: and they just want to use like see campaigns and

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Speaker 13: I guess celebrities.

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Speaker 7: It's like, if you're speaking to things that people want

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01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:07,080
Speaker 7: to hear about, I don't care what color you are,

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Speaker 7: I'll vote for you.

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Speaker 2: So obviously quite a number of voters they're expressing concerns

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01:43:11,080 --> 01:43:14,559
Speaker 2: about prices, the economy, etc. But I was actually genuinely

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01:43:14,560 --> 01:43:17,640
Speaker 2: surprised by how many brought up the issue of Gaza.

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01:43:17,840 --> 01:43:20,800
Speaker 2: Quote the Democrats are giving all the money in the war.

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01:43:21,040 --> 01:43:23,639
Speaker 2: Quote either side will go ahead and send bombs from

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01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:26,639
Speaker 2: here to kill my brothers and sisters. Quote you can't

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01:43:26,720 --> 01:43:29,280
Speaker 2: say you're a Democrat and stand for the genocide that's

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01:43:29,320 --> 01:43:30,280
Speaker 2: going on in Gaza.

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Speaker 1: Period.

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01:43:31,400 --> 01:43:34,240
Speaker 2: This actually echoes what AOC heard from her own constituents

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01:43:34,280 --> 01:43:36,679
Speaker 2: who had backed her and Trump on the same ballot.

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01:43:37,120 --> 01:43:39,840
Speaker 2: Number of these AOC Trump voters said they felt she

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01:43:39,960 --> 01:43:43,080
Speaker 2: and Trump were both authentic or anti establishment. But again,

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01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:46,240
Speaker 2: Gaza came up a number of times in these responses,

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Speaker 2: quote voted for Trump and you not genocide Harris. Democrats

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01:43:50,280 --> 01:43:54,040
Speaker 2: became the party that supports war and simply because of Gaza.

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01:43:54,680 --> 01:43:57,000
Speaker 2: None of this is scientific, of course, but there are

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01:43:57,040 --> 01:44:00,120
Speaker 2: some other indications that Gaza really was a significant part

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01:44:00,160 --> 01:44:03,439
Speaker 2: of Kamala Harris's loss. Remember, black and brown voters have

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01:44:03,479 --> 01:44:06,200
Speaker 2: always had more sympathy towards Palestine and supported a seize

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01:44:06,200 --> 01:44:09,000
Speaker 2: fire by larger numbers than white voters in general. It's

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01:44:09,000 --> 01:44:12,240
Speaker 2: plausible to think some of Trump's gains with these groups

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01:44:12,240 --> 01:44:14,080
Speaker 2: had to do with discuss with war in general and

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Speaker 2: Gaza in particular. The other demographic group, of course, most

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Speaker 2: disgusted with the Biden Harris genocidal policy was young people,

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Speaker 2: and sure enough, this election saw a turnout collapse among

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01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:26,280
Speaker 2: the youngest group of voters. A lot of the post

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01:44:26,320 --> 01:44:29,479
Speaker 2: election conversation has been understandably centered around how much Trump

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01:44:29,560 --> 01:44:32,679
Speaker 2: improved his margins among young voters, all true young men

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Speaker 2: in particular, But the more significant phenomenon may actually be

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01:44:36,600 --> 01:44:38,880
Speaker 2: how many of these young voters just simply decided to

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Speaker 2: stay home. As Eric Blanc points out, when you look

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01:44:41,880 --> 01:44:44,320
Speaker 2: at the total number of eighteen to twenty nine years

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01:44:44,320 --> 01:44:48,120
Speaker 2: old who are eligible to vote. Trump, ever so slightly

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01:44:48,160 --> 01:44:50,600
Speaker 2: improved his standing from twenty twenty. In twenty twenty, he

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01:44:50,680 --> 01:44:54,400
Speaker 2: received eighteen percent of the total eligible population. This time

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Speaker 2: he edged that number up by a single percentage point

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Speaker 2: to about nineteen percent. On the other side of the ledger, however,

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01:45:00,120 --> 01:45:03,880
Speaker 2: Democrats collapse. They went from receiving about thirty percent of

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01:45:03,920 --> 01:45:06,799
Speaker 2: the eligible youth vote in twenty twenty to only about

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01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:10,479
Speaker 2: twenty two percent this time around. So Trump held on

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01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:13,559
Speaker 2: to his young voters and marginally even improved while the

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01:45:13,600 --> 01:45:15,200
Speaker 2: Democratic share plummeted.

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Speaker 1: Was this Agaza effect?

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Speaker 2: When you consider the youth activism around the issue and

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01:45:20,840 --> 01:45:24,600
Speaker 2: Kamala's absolute unwillingness to take a moral stand against genocide,

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Speaker 2: you gotta think that discuss with her approach was a

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01:45:27,200 --> 01:45:30,800
Speaker 2: significant factor in this drop in turnout, her choice of

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01:45:30,840 --> 01:45:35,280
Speaker 2: Liz Cheney over Rashida Talib spoke volumes about her moral commitments.

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01:45:35,320 --> 01:45:37,800
Speaker 2: Of note on that choice. By the way, the Palestinian

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01:45:37,800 --> 01:45:41,120
Speaker 2: American who was blocked from speaking at the Dancy, actually

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01:45:41,160 --> 01:45:45,280
Speaker 2: improved her winning margin in her Georgia state House district.

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01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:48,920
Speaker 2: As she wrote on Twitter, quote, maybe does maybe voters

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01:45:48,920 --> 01:45:51,080
Speaker 2: appreciate when you speak out for the things you truly

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01:45:51,120 --> 01:45:55,080
Speaker 2: believe in. Perhaps discussed over, Gaza really was a significant

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01:45:55,120 --> 01:45:57,960
Speaker 2: and perhaps determinative factor in this election, something even I

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01:45:58,120 --> 01:46:01,559
Speaker 2: didn't anticipate, and it was a just rua who was rejected.

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01:46:01,600 --> 01:46:04,519
Speaker 2: On a podcast with Ronnie Colli, Conoors and Jamal Bowman

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01:46:04,640 --> 01:46:07,360
Speaker 2: revealed that his offer to campaign for Kamalin Michigan was

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01:46:07,400 --> 01:46:10,640
Speaker 2: also rejected. Listen to what they chose to do instead.

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01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:13,360
Speaker 14: I then told them I could share text with you,

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01:46:13,439 --> 01:46:16,920
Speaker 14: so you have evidence of this. I am ready to

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01:46:16,960 --> 01:46:19,720
Speaker 14: be dispatched in any parts of the country. Let me know.

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01:46:20,120 --> 01:46:24,679
Speaker 14: I want to go to Michigan particular, right. I told

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01:46:24,720 --> 01:46:29,920
Speaker 14: them this. They never get back to me. Even worse,

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01:46:30,920 --> 01:46:36,839
Speaker 14: they send Richie Trres, Bill Clinton, and Liz Cheney to Michigan.

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01:46:38,160 --> 01:46:43,200
Speaker 14: So again, and not only that, Bill Clinton is scolding

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01:46:43,840 --> 01:46:45,360
Speaker 14: Arab Americans.

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01:46:45,920 --> 01:46:48,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, like, yo, they were there first.

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01:46:49,280 --> 01:46:51,200
Speaker 14: Pretty much, they were there first. Y'all got to just

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01:46:51,280 --> 01:46:55,400
Speaker 14: deal with it or leave like this is what their

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01:46:55,600 --> 01:46:59,120
Speaker 14: campaign decided to do. Let's not send Jamal Bowman there.

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Speaker 14: Who again, I have, thank god, you know a homdullah right, like,

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01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:08,920
Speaker 14: so much support in Michigan where like my opponent attacked

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01:47:08,920 --> 01:47:11,439
Speaker 14: me for it. Like he literally was like, I don't

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01:47:11,479 --> 01:47:15,880
Speaker 14: represent your district. You represent California and dearborn Michigan. My

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01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:19,799
Speaker 14: opponent said this shit in a debate. Wow, okay, so

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01:47:20,120 --> 01:47:22,720
Speaker 14: that is how And he said that because he knows

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01:47:22,760 --> 01:47:24,360
Speaker 14: that's an Arab American community.

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Speaker 4: Yeah damn, that's like someone goes there.

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01:47:27,720 --> 01:47:32,400
Speaker 14: Yeah, right, you'll don't y'all ignore me, which tells me

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01:47:32,479 --> 01:47:35,400
Speaker 14: who you have around you in your campaign. But you

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01:47:35,439 --> 01:47:37,480
Speaker 14: said Bill Clinton, Richie Torrez.

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Speaker 1: So that was the choice.

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01:47:38,720 --> 01:47:42,360
Speaker 2: Basically, Bill Clinton was Janne Richie Dorres, and not Jamal

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01:47:42,400 --> 01:47:44,360
Speaker 2: Bowman or anyone else who might have been able to

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01:47:44,400 --> 01:47:47,599
Speaker 2: help with a Muslim American or Arab American community. The results,

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01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:50,640
Speaker 2: of course, speak to this being an utter political catastrophe,

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01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:52,040
Speaker 2: not to mention a moral one.

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01:47:52,320 --> 01:47:53,759
Speaker 1: So what's the counter argument here.

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01:47:53,600 --> 01:47:55,800
Speaker 2: Well, if you look at exit polls, very few voters

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01:47:55,840 --> 01:47:58,840
Speaker 2: say that foreign policy actually drove their decision. Even among

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01:47:58,880 --> 01:48:02,360
Speaker 2: young voters, only four percent attributed their vote to foreign

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01:48:02,400 --> 01:48:06,040
Speaker 2: policy concerns. As with all voters, the top concern by

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01:48:06,120 --> 01:48:08,840
Speaker 2: far was the economy. But I've always suspected this was

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01:48:08,920 --> 01:48:11,160
Speaker 2: kind of the wrong way to think about the electoral

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01:48:11,200 --> 01:48:14,120
Speaker 2: consequences of the genocide in Gaza. There's a way in

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01:48:14,160 --> 01:48:17,880
Speaker 2: which Gaza undermines literally every argument that Kamma and the

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01:48:17,920 --> 01:48:21,280
Speaker 2: Democrats were attempting to make against Donald Trump. How can

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01:48:21,320 --> 01:48:24,640
Speaker 2: you posture is a clear moral alternative to Trump and

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01:48:24,640 --> 01:48:27,160
Speaker 2: trump Ism when you are backing a war in which

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01:48:27,280 --> 01:48:29,840
Speaker 2: seventy percent of those killed are women and children with

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01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:33,759
Speaker 2: starvation is being deployed systematically as a weapon of war.

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01:48:34,320 --> 01:48:36,760
Speaker 2: When we saw things this year like a child having

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01:48:36,840 --> 01:48:39,960
Speaker 2: their leg amputated with no anesthetic on a kitchen table,

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01:48:40,320 --> 01:48:43,600
Speaker 2: a body crushed like a bag of tomatoes under a bulldozer,

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01:48:43,680 --> 01:48:47,719
Speaker 2: an endless, ever expanding turn of death, carnish disease, rubble.

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01:48:48,240 --> 01:48:50,599
Speaker 2: But you want people to believe Trump's the unique evil,

2334
01:48:50,920 --> 01:48:54,000
Speaker 2: at the very least his evil, it's not looking so unique.

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01:48:54,560 --> 01:48:57,320
Speaker 2: How can you position yourself as the big tent party

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01:48:57,600 --> 01:49:01,040
Speaker 2: building a large unified coalition when your tent wasn't big

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01:49:01,160 --> 01:49:04,840
Speaker 2: enough for a single Palestinian American speaker at the DNC,

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01:49:05,479 --> 01:49:08,280
Speaker 2: When you couldn't do the basics of outreach to a

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01:49:08,320 --> 01:49:12,320
Speaker 2: Muslim community that was horror struck and utterly disgusted that

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01:49:12,400 --> 01:49:14,840
Speaker 2: the Big ten has room for Liz Cheney but not

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01:49:15,439 --> 01:49:19,160
Speaker 2: young people protesting a genocide or Arab Americans, some of

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01:49:19,160 --> 01:49:22,559
Speaker 2: whom had family members who were slaughtered in Gaza. Doesn't

2343
01:49:22,640 --> 01:49:25,840
Speaker 2: exactly send the open arms. Everyone's welcome that you think

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01:49:25,880 --> 01:49:28,400
Speaker 2: that you're sending. The party is open to you, so

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01:49:28,479 --> 01:49:31,200
Speaker 2: long as you agree not to breathe a word about

2346
01:49:31,200 --> 01:49:35,120
Speaker 2: these taxpayer funded whoors. And how can people trust that

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01:49:35,120 --> 01:49:37,160
Speaker 2: you're going to pay attention to their economic needs you're

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01:49:37,200 --> 01:49:40,639
Speaker 2: at home when you seem way more eager, way more

2349
01:49:40,680 --> 01:49:43,920
Speaker 2: interested in sending money abroad for wars in Ukraine, Gaza

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01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:46,559
Speaker 2: and the entire Middle East. I heard something similar to

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01:49:46,600 --> 01:49:49,600
Speaker 2: that sentiment from any number of voters to this cycle, Basically,

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01:49:49,760 --> 01:49:52,320
Speaker 2: why are you focused on all these global conflicts rather

2353
01:49:52,320 --> 01:49:55,719
Speaker 2: than our needs right here at home. Biden really leaned

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01:49:55,720 --> 01:49:57,920
Speaker 2: into this dynamic in a bad way, in particular with

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01:49:57,960 --> 01:50:00,640
Speaker 2: all his obsession with NATO and Aucus and inability to

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01:50:00,680 --> 01:50:03,080
Speaker 2: talk about the actually decent things that his administration did

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01:50:03,120 --> 01:50:06,680
Speaker 2: accomplish on anti trust, labor and industrial policy. Kamala was,

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01:50:06,720 --> 01:50:09,040
Speaker 2: of course saddled with this legacy and did.

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01:50:08,840 --> 01:50:09,640
Speaker 1: Nothing to break it.

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01:50:10,320 --> 01:50:13,919
Speaker 2: Even Trump's infamous They Them add plays into this sentiment

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01:50:14,000 --> 01:50:16,639
Speaker 2: that Kama and the Democrats are not really paying attention

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01:50:16,680 --> 01:50:19,960
Speaker 2: to what you care about. AOC herself made a version

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01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:20,559
Speaker 2: of this point.

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Speaker 12: Take a listen all of this debate that people are

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01:50:22,760 --> 01:50:27,400
Speaker 12: talking about with this woke thing, right, Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 12: it's because we care about trans people. And that's why

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Speaker 12: only Donald Trump cared about trans people.

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Speaker 6: Yes, he was the one running under the thirty million dollars

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Speaker 6: at of ads.

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Speaker 4: The Harris campaign said nothing about bus issue. That's right, that's.

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Speaker 12: Right, And listen the ads. It's not to even deny

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Speaker 12: the fact that these ads were effective in certain areas.

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Speaker 12: What I think people are paying too much attention to

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Speaker 12: is the first half of that ad, which says Kamala

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Speaker 12: Harris is that said Kamala Harris is for the them.

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Speaker 12: Everyone's focusing on that. They're not focusing on the second

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Speaker 12: half of that ad where he said Donald Trump is

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Speaker 12: for you. And Democrats very often in their messaging they

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Speaker 12: speak and in this in terms and in concepts and

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Speaker 12: not in the second person, I care about you, and

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Speaker 12: political races are not about one candidate versus another candidate.

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Speaker 12: Too often it.

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Speaker 1: Gets pigeonholed like that.

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Speaker 12: It is a race to convince a person about who

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Speaker 12: cares about you more.

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Speaker 1: In a lot of ways.

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Speaker 2: Gaza is emblematic of democratic hypocrisy, moral collapse, and working

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Speaker 2: class disengagement. Is it possible that Gaza alone costs the

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Speaker 2: Democrats the election? I mean, if you think about it,

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Speaker 2: Trump won Wisconsin by about thirty thousand votes, Michigan by

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Speaker 2: only about eighty thousand votes, in Pennsylvania by about one

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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty thousand votes.

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Speaker 1: In the grins game of things, that's really not a lot.

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Speaker 2: How many young people stayed home, how many Muslims switched

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Speaker 2: to Trump in a vain hope that he'd make good

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Speaker 2: on his pandering. How many working class voters could not

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Speaker 2: shake the nagging sense that these wars were more important

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Speaker 2: to Democrats than the price of ex Trump didn't deserve

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Speaker 2: to win and has already nominated a bunch of neo

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Speaker 2: kan warhowk Israel for psychos to key foreign policy positions.

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Speaker 2: But for this and many other reasons, the Democrats they

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Speaker 2: absolutely deserved to lose, And Sager I was initially.

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Speaker 3: thank you so much for watching. We appreciate you. Sorry

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Speaker 3: that we talked so much. We're going to talk a

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Speaker 3: bit more tomorrow.