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Speaker 1: Around the NFL Podcast, Fink's Cliff Kingsbury has a sexy boys,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition at the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansis I am joined in a

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Speaker 1: room filled with some heroes Chris Westling and Greg Rosen thought,

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Speaker 1: what is up? Boys? Hey Dan Yo. We are back

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Speaker 1: in California after spending the last previous four days in Phoenix,

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Speaker 1: Arizona at the Arizona Built Moore Resort, the site of

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Speaker 1: the NFL Annual Meeting. And um, we're gonna get into

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Speaker 1: what came out of that, including a surprise rule change.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna have a big effect on the twenty nineteen season.

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Speaker 1: On Monday Show. Of course, Freddie Kitchens, you heard from

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Speaker 1: Sean McDermott well today in an interview we did over

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Speaker 1: the weekend. You're gonna hear from Matt Laflora, the new

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Speaker 1: head coach of the Green Bay Packers. Now, not to

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Speaker 1: mention what another pack show. Boys, A D d caka

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Speaker 1: Walla NFL Network Zone really plugged in on the ins

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Speaker 1: and out of the Pittsburgh Steelers. We had a nice

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Speaker 1: conversation with her about the state of the Steelers, the

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Speaker 1: locker room and there, uh, present and future, and then

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Speaker 1: there's some fun interact, you know, a different vibe between

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Speaker 1: her and Mark two. I thought, which was interesting. It

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Speaker 1: was a lot of interpersonal um play and uh it

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Speaker 1: was a deep dive into the steel city. We you know,

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Speaker 1: we go into the fish tank. We've we've been in

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Speaker 1: the Ravens nest and this was I don't know, going

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Speaker 1: into the steel mills. Hey, get to work, Erica. It's

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Speaker 1: a new drop to put together. It's the steel mill.

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Speaker 1: Can't wait? That sounds yeah, that sounds fun because you

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Speaker 1: get to pour the molten uh stuff into the metal

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Speaker 1: thing whatever they do high deal in cold. So I

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Speaker 1: don't know what's happened into the steel mills. Uh, West

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Speaker 1: is barely alive. He took a Z pack and UH

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Speaker 1: and combine that with some fun living. So he's recovering

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Speaker 1: uh at a decent pace. Mark under the weather. He

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Speaker 1: meets Freddie Kitchens, he squabbles with add and now he's

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Speaker 1: not here on our showback. So we hoped to have

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Speaker 1: Mark back soon before he leaves for a big trip

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Speaker 1: to South Korea. So there's a lot going on. Well

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Speaker 1: what has happened? That's an understatement, Yes, that's you. That's

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Speaker 1: well said and well putting. Nothing else needs to be said.

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Speaker 1: All right, here we go, let's get into it. Um oh,

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Speaker 1: and also we're gonna talk a little bit about the breakfast.

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Speaker 1: Um uh what are they called? What is coaches coaches breakfast?

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Speaker 1: Greg you checked that out and have some takeaways on that.

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Speaker 1: But let's start uh with the news. Let me do

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Speaker 1: he drinks a gallon of milk every day for strong bones. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's uh the milk that's not pasteurized either.

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Speaker 1: The wow J Gruden Redskins coach on Colt McCoy who

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Speaker 1: he broke a last Thanksgiving. I think it was h

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Speaker 1: was the Thanksgiving? Yeah? Yeah, and uh, I guess he

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Speaker 1: drinks wait how much a gallon of milk and it's

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Speaker 1: unpasteurized straight out of the what? Right out of the tea?

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Speaker 1: You know, everyone's got a John Gruden impression, but Jay

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Speaker 1: Gruden is underrated for the way he uh like defines

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Speaker 1: each word so clearly I love it. And he had

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Speaker 1: the greatest um he in the annual coaches picture, which

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Speaker 1: the attendance of the demands for that. It's a somehow

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Speaker 1: balexs led to anarchy by never showing up, and now

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Speaker 1: everyone else is like, well, if he doesn't do it,

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Speaker 1: I don't have to. The photo of j and I

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Speaker 1: can't believe that this was the best photo. I guess

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Speaker 1: seventeen other guys were blinking. Uh. He's slapping at his

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Speaker 1: Gruden in the uh in the team picture of the

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Speaker 1: coaches picture, this year, your past year really taking a hit.

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Speaker 1: Here he's taking he's taking eat And what is what

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Speaker 1: is Jay saying? I mean we'll save it for the

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Speaker 1: milk podcast, But I mean the milk we've been told

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Speaker 1: it makes you grow. And here here's Colt McCoy who's

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Speaker 1: for the podcast. Mark also believes no one should eat

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Speaker 1: the big, big story that came out of the owners meetings.

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Speaker 1: The owners voted on Tuesday night. They locked the doors

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Speaker 1: this was. To approve a rule proposal that allows for

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Speaker 1: offensive and defensive past interference, including non calls, that are

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Speaker 1: now for the twenty nineteen season as a trial balloon,

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Speaker 1: but that usually gives way to you know, full time

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Speaker 1: rule UH to be subject to review. Coaches can challenge

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Speaker 1: those calls in the first twenty eight minutes of each half.

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Speaker 1: In the final two minutes of each half, those calls

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Speaker 1: You you mentioned you've been doing this for fifteen years,

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Speaker 1: and this is just it's It always used to be

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Speaker 1: So coaches will still have to challenge flags, only now

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Speaker 1: they it's open to UH, both calls and non calls.

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Speaker 1: And um, Greg, we'll start with you on this. UH.

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Speaker 1: being the Saints, of course, on a no call, and

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Speaker 1: this happens. It's I mean, there's no way to deny

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Speaker 1: that if that play doesn't happen. This doesn't happen no,

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Speaker 1: last fifty years. They're always looking for better ways to

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Speaker 1: what they don't challenge. But why not try to get

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Speaker 1: Be the enemy? You know, better be the enemy A

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Speaker 1: I am staunchly opposed to all extra work stoppages in

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Speaker 1: And what the NFL really wants to do, what they've

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Speaker 1: I don't like it on that count. That was the

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Speaker 1: the count that it's going to increase controversy. It just

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Speaker 1: egregious calls every game. That's the way you fix replay,

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Speaker 1: not by giving coaches who are control freaks more chances

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Speaker 1: they're they're gonna They're saying, the officials are going to

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Speaker 1: And you're right West that it can't be touched calls.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it can't be these fifty, right, But coaches

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Speaker 1: are gonna go they're gonna throw flags for touch calls,

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Speaker 1: and that's against the spirit of replay as it was

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Speaker 1: for an egregious call. That's how I would fix replay.

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Speaker 1: to predict. How do you feel he would handle that request?

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Speaker 1: What he is? He so much of a team builder

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Speaker 1: that he would say none? Whatever? Um? Alright, boys scrunk.

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Speaker 1: It is now time for Golden Moments presented by McDonald's

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Speaker 1: introducing the Big Mac with Bacon, Cheesy Bacon Fries, and

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Speaker 1: quarter Pounder with bacon at participating McDonald's Mickey D's for

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Speaker 1: a limited time only. Uh is it the best thing

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Speaker 1: to happen to McDonald's classics or to bacon? Yeah? Who

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Speaker 1: doesn't like bacon? You're all the way back? Can we

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Speaker 1: got that free? That free? You know biscuit the other day?

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Speaker 1: You know now I'm back in. Yeah, especially if it's free. Eric, Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: Let's milk this a little bit. Let's milk this tea?

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Speaker 1: Yeah all right? So, Uh, the golden moment was Tuesday

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Speaker 1: morning at the breakfast Coaches breakfast. Greg, you were boots

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Speaker 1: on the ground. Uh, what are some takeaways you had

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Speaker 1: from that breakfast? Variety. Should I just like power through these, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because I had I had a couple too that had

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Speaker 1: just from you know, reading around. You don't hit him,

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Speaker 1: I'll hit him rapid fire. Number one Zach Taylor not

446
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Speaker 1: getting a lot of publicity. I really like this guy.

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Speaker 1: Tell people who he is. He's the coach of the

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals. I thought he was a sitcom star from

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Speaker 1: the ninety Every once in a while, I have to

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Speaker 1: like re check what his name is because I have

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Speaker 1: this mental block that he's Zack Robinson, who is this

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Speaker 1: random quarterback in the NFL. He also like looks like

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Speaker 1: a GUYNT help that the Rams just hired Zack Robinson

454
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Speaker 1: to take his place, that that maybe is part of it.

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Speaker 1: And he's yeah, he looks like he's just going out

456
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Speaker 1: to play eight teen at the local, you know, kind

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Speaker 1: of you know, municipal course, just like a regular guy.

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Speaker 1: But I really he seems really comfortable in his own skin.

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Speaker 1: I think he was being genuine when he talked about

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Speaker 1: the amount of talent that's on that Bengals team. It's

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Speaker 1: it's not that bad. And he just seems like a guy.

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Speaker 1: After speaking to him, being around him, that is gonna

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Speaker 1: be captivating for the players. I think can be a

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Speaker 1: leader and I think hasn't gotten a lot of pub

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Speaker 1: was impressed with him. Frank Reich talking up Devin Funches

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Speaker 1: really struck me. I was sitting next to Frank Reich

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Speaker 1: and man, he is convinced that Devin Funches is gonna

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Speaker 1: be a huge part of that offense because of his

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Speaker 1: footwork and his route running ability. That stuck out. Andy

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Speaker 1: Reid when asked who's a leader on their defense was

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Speaker 1: flu mixed. Tyrn Matthew was the first person that he mentioned.

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Speaker 1: Tymond Matthew, hasn't you know practiced? That was? That was?

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Speaker 1: That was it that stuck out to me. And then

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Speaker 1: King's kick Cliff Kingsbury. He's in a tough spot, but

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Speaker 1: you know, he has to speak in a time where

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Speaker 1: he really can't say anything. But when he's asked about

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Speaker 1: Kylie Murray to compare him to someone, he literally says,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if there's really another comp in NFL

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Speaker 1: history that combined the running nobility of a Michael Vick,

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Speaker 1: which I think he basically has in a true drop

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Speaker 1: back passer that I think he's one of the great.

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Speaker 1: He said, one of the great dual threat players of

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Speaker 1: all time. That's what I mean. So to me, it's

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Speaker 1: like Kyler Murray and his eyes are just lighting up.

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Speaker 1: And then he's asked about Rosen he says the things

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Speaker 1: that you have to say. But it's just it's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, what, what are we doing here? You know,

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Speaker 1: I get it. You can't you can't declare it. But

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Speaker 1: talk to people that are in and around the owners meetings,

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Speaker 1: everyone knows it that, yeah, this is what's happening, that

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray is their quarterback, and well, let's wait and

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Speaker 1: see if it happens. I feel I feel like it's

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Speaker 1: just but when yeah, it's hard not to read into

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Speaker 1: these things. When when he he literally was asked about it.

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Speaker 1: Whatever happened to the rule that you don't trust anything

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Speaker 1: you hear about the draft for the two months leading

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Speaker 1: up to the draft. That's fair, I mean. And then

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Speaker 1: he's asked about Nick bo Of, said Quentin Williams, and

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Speaker 1: he had like an eight second answer. Seriously, it was

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Speaker 1: it was just like those guys are game changes. Speaking

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Speaker 1: of Kingsbury at the meetings, he told reporters that he

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Speaker 1: will implement implement a plan to keep his players attention

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Speaker 1: to practice that he used at Texas Tech. Cell phone breaks,

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Speaker 1: that's what it is now. Kingsbury said, they're itching to

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Speaker 1: get to those things. I think coming from the college ranks. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: those young men, it's got to be quick hitters twenty

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Speaker 1: minutes at a time. Give them a break and get

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Speaker 1: them back in west your thoughts. You know, when I

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Speaker 1: worked for the Post Office and I worked at a

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Speaker 1: law firm in in downtown Cincinnati, I was always flammixed

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Speaker 1: by this ability of random smokers to just take breaks

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Speaker 1: whenever they wanted. That always I've never made sense to

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Speaker 1: not fair, but cell phones make make sense to me. Like,

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Speaker 1: if you're gonna allow smoke breaks, you definitely allow cellphone

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Speaker 1: broad Like you have this, you have this habit, this

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Speaker 1: addiction to nicotine, and allowed your work day to be

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Speaker 1: like third to you, the forty five minutes shorter than

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Speaker 1: the person that abstains from smoking. And then you come

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Speaker 1: back on the elevator and the whole elevator stinks because

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Speaker 1: you've been smoking out there with all your good time.

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Speaker 1: Buddy Ricky puts down two packs a day, so she no,

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Speaker 1: it's so frustrating. When I was waitressing the bartenders or

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Speaker 1: a waitress. They would take their smoke breaks, and it's like,

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Speaker 1: we're in the middle of a rush and you need

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Speaker 1: to go out and smoke a cigarette for fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 1: What if what if I was like, no, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: go stand outside for fifteen minutes. I'm not leaving you

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Speaker 1: in the weeds like this. It's ridiculous. I don't really

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Speaker 1: know too many people that smoke anymore, but there is

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Speaker 1: still a sizey portion of the population, and they all

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Speaker 1: have chips on their shoulders, like, don't tell me what

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Speaker 1: I could do with my body. And it's like, well,

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Speaker 1: you do. You just ignore all the science on second

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Speaker 1: hand smoke and the fact that your clothes and hair

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Speaker 1: stink and now I stink because you do. But you

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Speaker 1: don't have freedom to do that. West is right. But

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Speaker 1: if you're a listener to the podcast and you smoke cigarettes,

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Speaker 1: that's cool, man, Just moderation. Yeah, acknowledge secondhand smoke as

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Speaker 1: a thing that exists. I do like this, like idea

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Speaker 1: of Kingsbury as kind of like the millennial a whisper

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Speaker 1: that he's gonna come up with does It seems a

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Speaker 1: little on the nose, right, but it's it's not a

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Speaker 1: bad idea. It's fine, it's funny. Larry fits. Larry FitzGeralds,

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Speaker 1: everyone's gonna be doing this, And Clarry Fitzgerald was talking

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Speaker 1: about right exactly. Larry Fitzgerald was talking on the Mina

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Speaker 1: Kimes podcast. Uh how how that's like one of the

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Speaker 1: biggest differences that you know, it's kind of like a

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Speaker 1: cliche thing for an older guy to say, but just

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Speaker 1: that it's true. Everyone in the locker room is on

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Speaker 1: their phones. Uh, you know, and so it's like a

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Speaker 1: different vibe, but it is. You know, it's just life changing.

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Speaker 1: You just gotta recognize it. You gotta roll with it,

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00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: don't fight against you. But you know, all we ever

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Speaker 1: talked about on this damn podcast is how Bill Belichick

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Speaker 1: is ahead of the game and the Patriots do things

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Speaker 1: smarter and better. Do you think Bill does this? What

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Speaker 1: do you think Bill thinks about the guys need anything?

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Speaker 1: I think there are um psychiatrists or psychologists. I always

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Speaker 1: get confused on which one to use. Win who have

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Speaker 1: told Bill Belichick this is a smart thing to do.

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Speaker 1: I think the I think they have told all NFL

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Speaker 1: coaches this is the way it's going. You'll get more

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Speaker 1: production out of these players if you allow them to

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Speaker 1: use cell phone? Um, what else? Greg? What else did

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Speaker 1: you hear? How about Bruce Arians on Gerald McCoy his

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Speaker 1: superstar defensive tackle or is he he's a thirty eight

567
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Speaker 1: point four million over the next three years of his deal.

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Speaker 1: He's been floated around as a possible trade candidate, and Arians,

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Speaker 1: as he so often is, was candid when asked about

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Speaker 1: where McCoy is uh in two thousand nineteen. He's not

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Speaker 1: as disruptive as he was four years ago. He's still

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Speaker 1: a good player if he If he's here, he's our

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Speaker 1: starting three technique, no doubt about that. Arians continued, What

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Speaker 1: I'd like to see, what I'd like to see more disruptive. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we can use him. If he's here, He's going to

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Speaker 1: be used a bunch. It just a matter of what happens.

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Speaker 1: There's like an unwritten role among NFL coaches that you

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Speaker 1: don't talk this way about a veteran player, a respective

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Speaker 1: veteran unless you really want him to take a pack

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Speaker 1: up or trade him. I was thinking it was maybe

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say this, Productions declined. I was just thinking,

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Speaker 1: he's like, hey, come at us with the draft, give

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Speaker 1: us a give us a third, give you a seventh thing,

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Speaker 1: give you this guy who's no longer and that sort

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Speaker 1: of doesn't make sense. He is, he's a solid player.

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Speaker 1: I did remember one other thing, which is when I

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Speaker 1: asked Andy Reid, it's I just went to the coaches

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Speaker 1: that had after Kingsbury. I just decided to go to

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Speaker 1: the ones with the fewest people around him. Taylor only

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Speaker 1: had two, so it's just three people there. Uh. Frank

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Speaker 1: Rank only had two or three, and Andy Reid surprising

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Speaker 1: they only had a couple. Uh, And so I I

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Speaker 1: one of the things I asked Andy Reid was, you know,

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Speaker 1: like having a guy like my homes with that much

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Speaker 1: like raw talent, Like does that get your you know,

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Speaker 1: juice is flown because he's pretty good at like staying

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Speaker 1: ahead of the curve when the season starts, and and

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Speaker 1: he said yeah, and he's like, he's like, that's just

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Speaker 1: that's what I love doing. I'm a teacher. He's like,

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Speaker 1: if if I was your English teacher, I'd have you,

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Speaker 1: you know, primed up and ready to go for your

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Speaker 1: next article. And I kind of read into that that

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Speaker 1: he was saying he knows he knows us from doing

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Speaker 1: the podcast, he was saying, I'm kind of like the

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes of writers. See that's where mine Mark is

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Speaker 1: going as well. What was on Edie's plate? Just out

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Speaker 1: of curiosity he did wasn't eating. He didn't have any

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Speaker 1: in front of it. Anybody eating openly. The coaches that

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Speaker 1: I was, I sat in here, did not bother. I

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Speaker 1: think some of them went and they got the food afterwards,

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Speaker 1: thirty more minutes. All right, So do students still still

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Speaker 1: take a class called English? Of course it's not called

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Speaker 1: something else. I believe it's English class. But yeah, I

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Speaker 1: best person to ask, but I think it's probably still

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Speaker 1: like it would be called communication or something else. But now,

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Speaker 1: all right, just just a questions. Have been getting it

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Speaker 1: done for a long time. You gotta stick with it,

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Speaker 1: so you don't really need It's like reading books. You

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Speaker 1: can call it literature if you want it, but it's

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Speaker 1: kind of all incomb class. Those are golden moments, uh,

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Speaker 1: presented by mcdone Donalds and that gorgeous new cheeseburger with bacon. Um.

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Speaker 1: All right, as we promised here he is Green Bay

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Speaker 1: Packers coach Matt Lafleur. All right, we are very excited

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Speaker 1: to have a new head coach. The new head coach

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Speaker 1: of the Green Bay Packers, Matt Lafleur. Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Around the NFL podcast. Appreciate you guys have it. We'd

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Speaker 1: like to kick it off the little ray of music.

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Speaker 1: Does this match your sensibility as a man at all? Oh? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And he said, well, you know right off the bat

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Speaker 1: um you are a rookie head coach. Rookie mistake. You

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Speaker 1: show up. You are very dressed up for the owners meetings.

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid we had here last year and he wore

639
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: like an open Hawaiian shirt and khaki shorts. Uh, you

640
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: are well dressed. Are you going to rectify that in

641
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: the future? Are you going to show up other coaches

642
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: by being the best dressed coach at owners meetings which

643
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: angle here? Jason Wallers definitely set me up for this.

644
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: It's all his fault. Alright, the Packers pr got you there,

645
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: so all right, here we go. You have a great

646
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: history with football, but it all started with the Omaha

647
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: Beef national Take us through your time with the Beef.

648
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: That was very, very, very interesting experience. Now what league

649
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: are they in? I don't even know if that leaks

650
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: still exists. It is flash was Indoor Football League, that's correct,

651
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: the NFL and you were the quarterback. Yeah, it was

652
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: more of the backup, but I got a few opportunities

653
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: to go in there, and it's run around. What's the

654
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: uniform look like when you're the Omaha Beef. What was

655
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: the color break black and orange? Remember that Lady Gaga

656
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: dress you ward the Grammys like five years ago? It

657
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: was just all meat. It was like maybe something like that.

658
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: We did have the Rump Roasters as the dance team.

659
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: That is amazing. So now you're in a slightly more

660
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: high profile position as Aaron Rodgers is head coached. Well,

661
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: I mean is that Rogers is a living legends send

662
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: uh in Green Bay and one of the greatest quarterbacks ever?

663
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: Is there is there any level of intimidation walking into

664
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Speaker 1: the job when Aaron Rodgers is the guy now more excitement.

665
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: I mean, to have a guy to that has that ability.

666
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: I mean, these jobs just don't come open, So I'm

667
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: very excited to get that opportunity to work with him.

668
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: When you become like the Green Bay Packers head coach,

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00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,239
Speaker 1: do you suddenly have like is your phone blowing up

670
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,479
Speaker 1: like Brett Farve reaching out to you saying welcome to

671
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: town and stuff for or or Brett Farve. If I'm

672
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: still waiting on that one, come on, Brett, pick up

673
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: the phone. When you watch go back and watch what

674
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers did last year, do you see a guy

675
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: you're still confident I've got the best quarterback in the NFL. Yeah,

676
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,959
Speaker 1: he's certainly got all the talent, and I just again

677
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: it's looking forward to that opportunity to really sit down

678
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: and get into the football component and uh, you know,

679
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: try to teach him our system. You have some history

680
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: with quality quarterbacks. You were um QB coach of Matt

681
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: ro in his MVP year, Uh, Jared Goff, uh, Marcus

682
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: Mariota and now Rogers. You've had pretty good luck or

683
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: you've been surrounded by some really high level quarterback down

684
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: but really nothing at this level that I mean is

685
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 1: Rogers the type of guy and I know last year

686
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: was a big disappointment, uh for everyone about but is

687
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: Roger's type of guy, Like anything is possible because we

688
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 1: have that guy in the building. Yeah, you feel really

689
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: confident with when you got a guy at that of

690
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: that caliber at that position because we know that is

691
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: definitely the in my opinion, the most important position in

692
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 1: all of sports because they got the ball in their

693
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: hand on on every on every place. So, UM, certainly

694
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: it's not just about Aaron Rodgers though. It's about our

695
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: football team. And I think we've got a lot of

696
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: pieces there to work with that um and some young

697
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: pieces that were really excited about moving forward. Is there

698
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: one coach that you've been with in the past that

699
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: prepared you more than any other to come suddenly you

700
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: were a head coach? It's like the job is completely

701
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 1: different than anything you've done before. Who prepared you? Um,

702
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: you know, you take pieces from all the guys that

703
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: you worked with, But being in l A with Sean

704
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: uh for one season and being so close to him

705
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: and watching him implement his culture into the Rams that

706
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: I certainly took a lot from that experience. I I

707
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: noticed during the combine because you talked about you also

708
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: worked with Kyle Shanahan. Of course you were on his

709
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: staff with Sean McVeigh, but you know a lot of

710
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: people got to know you, you know, when you were

711
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: with the Rams. I I kind of noticed though you

712
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: sounded a little competitive in terms of the age that

713
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: you said you were. You were better. You're better looking

714
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: than you are old. Likely that you're thank you like,

715
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: like you're not as old as you look that you're

716
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: grouped with these younger, you know, coaches. But it was

717
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: almost like kind of a quiet flex that actually, know,

718
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: I just look young. These guys are Yeah, reading that correctly,

719
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a month older and Kyle so, but

720
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: I've got seven years on Sean so um, yeah, he's

721
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: still the baby of the coaching. Are you competitive with

722
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: those guys? Like in other avenues other than football? Always

723
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: like what? Uh geez, I mean it's hard to pinpoint

724
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: just one thing. Um, but anytime we get together and

725
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: we start doing anything competitive, whether it's playing cards or

726
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: what or whatnot. Uh, certainly we're all going for each

727
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: other's throats, like hair, Is that something there's a disagreement? Yeah,

728
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like I've stepped up my hair

729
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: game since I've been become a head coach. Greg, you're

730
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: making that uncomfortable. Let me let me ask you. We

731
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: play a game here. It's called They say, Okay, we're

732
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: not saying it, but other people they say it. They say, yes,

733
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: you have Aaron Rodgers, and yes you did a nice

734
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: job building up that defense from uh Mike Patton with

735
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: the big signings of free agency. But they say, you

736
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: guys are not doing enough to build around Rogers with

737
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: offensive playmakers in free agency. What do you say to

738
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: those people that say that? How dare they? First of all,

739
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: you're not gonna please everybody, So um, I think Goody

740
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: and his staff did an awesome job going out and

741
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: getting some some you know, key players for us, and

742
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: it really opens up the draft for us, you know,

743
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: as as an entire football team, or you know, when

744
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: it comes to Goody, like, is it annoying when media

745
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: people call him that when we don't know we saw

746
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: that a question, like during the comment someone called him

747
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: Goody and that just seems a little little presumptuous to

748
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 1: go with the nickname if we have no relationship really familiar, well,

749
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: pronounce his last name it's easy. People don't know how

750
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: to do it. Uh, it says here, we did some research.

751
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 1: You were a substitute math teacher in local high schools

752
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: and also a graduate assistant at Saginaw Valley State. Is

753
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: that right? Kind of kind of right? I once got

754
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: a thirty thirty nine in a state mandated math test

755
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: in high school. Does that I mean, could you possibly

756
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: respect me less because you already at the math background.

757
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: Does that change how you think of me a little bit? No?

758
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: I think I think the world you It's unconfirmed that

759
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 1: he thinks about you at all. But uh, I had

760
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: a question about Aaron Jones. Should we expect to see

761
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: him featured a little bit more than he's been in

762
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: the past. Yeah, I'm I'm really excited about him. But

763
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: I think anytime at this level, you better have multiple

764
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: backs that can can you know, carry the workload for you,

765
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 1: because it is that is a pretty physical position. And

766
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: UM just kind of like what we did last year

767
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: with Tennessee and then going back to UM Atlanta with

768
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: you know, Davante and Tevin Coleman. I think you're at

769
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: your best when you when you can really and multiple

770
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: people at that position. I mean the Packers fans for

771
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: so long had the same offense with with Aaron Rodgers.

772
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 1: What would be different, what would be in in terms

773
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: of identity or what you'd want to stress What would

774
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: be different this coming season. I just think you'll see

775
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: a lot more condensed formations, probably more motion than than

776
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: you've seen in the past. When we Dan asked about

777
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: free agency, was part of that equation that it was

778
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: a little less active in terms of the skill position,

779
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: almost like a vote of confidence in the guys that

780
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: you have there, especially like the rookie receivers that had

781
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: pretty good production, you know, for guys drafted a little.

782
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: I didn't say that. They said that. They said, yeah,

783
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:44,479
Speaker 1: actually did go ahead. No, No, certainly when you watch

784
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: the tape, those three young guys and then you combine

785
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: them with a Davante Adams, I mean, you're pretty excited

786
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: about what you got to work with right there. All right,

787
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: it's time. It's the Crucible, it's speed round, it's the

788
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: lightning round, whatever you want to call it. It real vaunted.

789
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: You ready, I'm scared. Here we go, Matt with Flora.

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Speaker 1: Let's hit it, Ricky, best movie ever, Gladiator, last movie

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Speaker 1: you saw in the theater, like Gladiator, the last episode

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Speaker 1: of Sopranos, the Tony Die. Yes, you say that with certainty. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've never watched that is the podcast industry worthy of respect.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely best decade for hip hop. Oh it's got to

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Speaker 1: be Yeah DMX, Netflix and Chill or A Hot Night

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Speaker 1: on the Town, Netflix and Chill. Worst than Eyes, a

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Speaker 1: submarine catastrophe or Grizzly Bear attack. It's a tough one.

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Speaker 1: We have to go Grizzly attack. CARDI b overrated, underrated,

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Speaker 1: properly rated, overrated, like it? Favorite favorite athlete growing up? Uh,

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Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's that's bar food, cheese skirts? Interesting like that

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Speaker 1: beer of choice? Uh? Mill I like? Who will sit

802
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: on the iron throne? Do you know what the iron?

803
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Speaker 1: I do not know what that means his face just

804
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: but greatest meat product? Uh? Does life exists beyond our planet? Probably? Okay,

805
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: good answer there, we got. I like it. Coaches are

806
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: open to worlds outside of our own. That's what we've learned.

807
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: I agree. I think the answer is probably that is

808
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: the right end. Yeah, all right, there we go. Matt,

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00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Best of luck to you. Hopefully

810
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: you and Aaron are like best friends. You know, some

811
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: people say he's tough to get along with, but I

812
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: feel like you're a guy that's gonna have Aaron Rodgers

813
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: unlock great relationship chance being chips. It feels like something

814
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: that could happen. Absolutely all right, Matt la Flour, thank

815
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: you very much and good luck in the upcoming season.

816
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: Appreciate you guys. All Right, there it goes mad you

817
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: guys think about Mr la Fleur. He gave some he

818
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: gives some good answers. You know. I think Greg has

819
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: said that the Green Bay media, you know, they're not

820
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: sure about him yet if he's gonna be boring. I

821
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,439
Speaker 1: thought he did give a few interesting answers. I think

822
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: he's and you see this with younger coaches sometimes, is

823
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 1: gonna learn on the job in terms that the media

824
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: part of it is part of the job. He is

825
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: said openly, so I'm not putting any words in his

826
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: mouth that he does not like that part of the job.

827
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Speaker 1: And I think he's trying to in situations like this

828
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Speaker 1: warm up to it. But it's tough. You don't want

829
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: to you don't want to get all those you know.

830
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: Green Bay is not it's not New York, but it's

831
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Speaker 1: also kind of a big market in terms of football.

832
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: Just because you have thirty forty people there, I mean

833
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: they're covered. That's the most important thing in time. You

834
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: don't want all those people against you right off the

835
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,439
Speaker 1: bat if you start out one in three. I think

836
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: he's um, you know there and it's when your first

837
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 1: year coach. I think the experience, even the owners meetings

838
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 1: and going through the car wash, that's probably all different.

839
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: I know he has history in his career as a

840
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: coach going back years and years, but he's still a

841
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: young guy. Um. I'd be interested to see what he

842
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: would be like in year two compared to year one. Um.

843
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: But it really hit home when he said he, I

844
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: guess I'll have to get a big get back coach

845
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: like he's never had one before, you know, the inexperienced baby.

846
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: It's a new era in Green Bay. Also, as we

847
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: teased a d d Ki Kabwalla, we wanted to talk Steelers,

848
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: we wanted to talk her relationship with Mark Cesler and

849
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Speaker 1: we got all of that. Let's listen in here from

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Speaker 1: the owners meetings at the Biltmore and we're joined by

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00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 1: a woman who's never been on the show before. And

852
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 1: you know what, it's overdue. She's NFL Networks own add

853
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Round the NFL Podcast. Thrilled to be here.

854
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: I'm wondering why it took so long to invite me,

855
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 1: but um, I'll try not to hold out against all

856
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 1: of you. Seriously, it was the music that was kind

857
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: of throwing Yeah, welcome to the show. Yes, it is

858
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: overdue because for a lot of reasons. But we thought

859
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Speaker 1: that the opportunity here at the boatmore to get together

860
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: and have a conversation and the team that you cover

861
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: many teams for NFL Network, but the Steelers. I don't

862
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: think anybody in our building knows as much about the

863
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: Steelers as you. How about you know, like double the

864
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: amount of what anybody else knows, yes or not. But

865
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Speaker 1: that's not always a good thing. I mean, Dave damashek

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00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: liked me more before I knew as much about the

867
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Speaker 1: Steelers as I knew. But as Dave damashek liking you

868
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: a good thing. Well, you know my husband, actually my

869
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: husband is a lifelong Steelers fan. He sat on the

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Speaker 1: season ticket wait list for twenty one years. This year

871
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: one day he said to me, you have ruined it

872
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 1: for me, and I said, well, sorry for laundry, but

873
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: why do you know too much? Are you dropping like

874
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: negative insider bombs on him? That just reality, you know,

875
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: Like I think part of fandom is not accepting the truth.

876
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: It's this idealized image of my such and such as, this,

877
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: my such and such as that, this is what happens

878
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: inside a locker room, you know. I mean, did you

879
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: imagine it to be something? Just before you came on

880
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: with us, you were your your husband lovingly with his

881
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: with your child, tried to call you and do a

882
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,879
Speaker 1: little face time, and you sort of just gave him

883
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: the big old heisman. You just give them a little

884
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: bit of accurate you know, let's be a little accurate here,

885
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: since I am in the business of reporting facts. First,

886
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: there was a FaceTime. My child was on the FaceTime.

887
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: Then I was very loving and I said, baby, I

888
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 1: need to Mama needs to do something right now. Can

889
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: I call you back in ten minutes? Then the second call.

890
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: Then the second one came in, and I thought I

891
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: made myself very clear when I just said I'm calling

892
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: you back in ten minutes. Very second one was the

893
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 1: husband who was thirty five years old. You should know better.

894
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: The tone was different, and you're sending a lot of mess.

895
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: The ten minutes is kind of a subtle, passive aggressive,

896
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: like keep this thing short. A lot was going that.

897
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: Has everybody here been married? I mean not you, but

898
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: everybody else is very longer than we're all like the

899
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:21,240
Speaker 1: five to ten year range. I'm at twelve. Speak for yourself, okay, twelve.

900
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: And the tone that you had with your husband is

901
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: the real tone of a husband and wife when they're

902
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: not putting on any type of show for anyone, So

903
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 1: that which is very important. It's important to be authentic. Well,

904
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: I don't think I have to worry about that. Well,

905
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: all right, you don't think less of me? I mean,

906
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 1: let's yeah, I I don't. I don't know less. I

907
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: have not been invited on the podcast. I think a

908
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: little less of you. But that's okay, that can be goose.

909
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: I've been a Brown's champion for many, many years. Why

910
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: have you not? That's in the past. You've started to

911
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: use that tone with Mark, you know, ever since last

912
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: night when you learned so much about him before we started, said,

913
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: she's learned so much about Mark in the last two

914
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 1: days and she's not sure she likes Well, I don't.

915
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what I shared with you,

916
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: but I would be concerned about where twelve hours ago

917
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: what I was sharing Verbley would. Here we go, let's

918
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,959
Speaker 1: get into it because and that's a fascinating little nug

919
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: we call it on the show a la ravill mcnifico

920
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: when someone says something without maybe even realizing your husband,

921
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:35,240
Speaker 1: a lifelong Steelers fan no longer interested in season tickets.

922
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: That's going a little too fun. He's not happy with

923
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: what he sees. Slash. Here's from his wife. Now let's

924
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: talk about reality. Because Levon Bell no longer with the team,

925
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown no longer with the team. Both of them

926
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: had negative things to say about the quarterback on the

927
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: way out the door. So let's start here, Big Ben,

928
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: do you since he has an unusual place in his

929
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 1: locker room compared to other franchise quarterbacks, where his vibe

930
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: is where people were view him or is it just

931
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: kind of blown up in Pittsburgh? Where do you come

932
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: down on that? This is so dicey because I have

933
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 1: to go back into that city and into that lacker.

934
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: How do you you have like five million followers in Scotland? Well,

935
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: heavily redacted if necessary, but let's just have the conversation.

936
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: So every quarterback operates differently. Joe Flacco is a different

937
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: personality than Tom Brady, who is a different personality than

938
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: Eli Manning, who is different personality than Ben Roethlisberger. Ben

939
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: Roethlisberger has been the quarterback for fifteen years or is

940
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: entering his fifteenth year. This to Pittsburgh Sailor's organization is

941
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 1: one unequivocally behind him. We heard Are Rooney say that,

942
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: We heard my Kevin Colberg say that. Kevin Colbert reiterated

943
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: that yesterday when he said this is a team that

944
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: is completely comfortable with Ben Roethlisberger style of leadershaw question,

945
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: is he different then other quarterbacks I have covered? Yes,

946
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 1: he is. He is also brings different things to the

947
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: field than others do the I think the at the

948
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,439
Speaker 1: end of the day, the only thing that matters here

949
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 1: is that Ben Roethlisberger answers to his bosses. His bosses

950
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: have absolutely no issue whatsoever with what he does, how

951
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 1: he operates, how he leads. And I asked Mike Tomlin

952
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 1: not more than thirty minutes ago, because we have talked

953
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: so much this year about Ben Roethlisberger's radio show and

954
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: how weakly this past year he went on the radio

955
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: and was unbelievably frank in saying Antonio Brown should have

956
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: run that route differently, Marquis Pouncey should have blocked that

957
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: guy differently, James Washington needs to do this differently, extremely

958
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: frank in putting all of that out there publicly. And

959
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: we've heard from many players, including Antonio Brown and Leviyan

960
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: Bell that that didn't necessarily sit well with them. So

961
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 1: I asked mac Tomlin if he has had any conversations

962
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,760
Speaker 1: with Ben about the way that he has publicly chosen

963
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 1: to lead his style of leadership or if he plans to,

964
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: and Mike Tomlin said no, So at the end of

965
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: the day, it seems like sort of wasted energy for

966
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: us to sit here and talk about it when his

967
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 1: bosses don't really care. Yes, fair enough. I like that answer.

968
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: So he if you if you're a future Hall of

969
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: Famer type, can I interrupt a second? I've learned a

970
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: lot more about Chris over the last twelve hours too,

971
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: and I'm very happy with everything. Hold on, what is

972
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: this now? Now? I now I'm annoyed on what is it? No? No, No,

973
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: what is it that I've shared with you that you

974
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: suddenly feel you want to ask that question? No, I

975
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: will ask you later. But like, so Chris is amazing.

976
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: He's marrying Lakeisha. Everything is so great, she has so

977
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: many friends. Like I dropped some sort of information fact

978
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: or anything is amazing. Like I'm not really happy about

979
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: this whole idea that Ohio is the South, that's another

980
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:59,439
Speaker 1: part of just Cincinnati. Well, we're gonna get to the word.

981
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 1: We'll get into this later. This is I am. Mark

982
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: is getting more and more upset each minute of this interview.

983
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: And it's it's fun, all right? So has everything to

984
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: be happy about? Have you seen with the Browns? If

985
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: you did? What if you were to ask Mike Tomlin,

986
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 1: would you switch Cleveland's roster with Pittsburgh's right now? What

987
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: would he say? Do you think he would not give

988
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: an answer? He danced around. You know what, we've talked

989
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: so much this offseason. Look, and here's another thing from

990
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: the from the beginning of the time that I have

991
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: been associated with the NFL that I've covered the NFL,

992
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: people have talked about the Pittsburgh Steelers as one of

993
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: your top five organizations. This is a club that just

994
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: about every player in the league wants to play for, right,

995
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: and it it means something. It's it's a franchise that

996
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: stands for something significant. Now, this past season, all you're

997
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: hearing sort of in the public chatter and the public

998
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: sphere is that the Steelers are a circus, that the

999
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: Steelers are a laughing stock, that the Steelers have not

1000
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 1: fulfilled their potential, That players want out of Pittsburgh. I mean,

1001
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: when was the last time that you heard players, not

1002
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:05,919
Speaker 1: only Antonio Brown and Levi on Bell, but a guy

1003
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: like Morgan Burnett is demanding to get out. So I

1004
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: said to Mike Tomin, how does any of that affect you?

1005
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: Does it in the sense that do you feel that

1006
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: this organization that you feel so tied to, that you

1007
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: have such an affinity for, is being tarnished in some way?

1008
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 1: And he just was again very you know, it's chatter.

1009
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: It's chatter. It's not you know, like they're teflon. They're

1010
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: not letting them affect them. And what's interesting about that

1011
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: is sometimes when you keep hearing the same thing, do

1012
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,439
Speaker 1: you need to take a minute and say, Okay, this

1013
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: is out there. Should we kind of examine this. I mean,

1014
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: if all four people sitting here saying, you know, this

1015
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: thing about Mark Sessler is a little bit interesting, should

1016
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 1: Mark kind of say is it really interesting? Or should

1017
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: Mark say I don't care what anybody says and the

1018
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 1: angle on this and not change anything exactly. That is

1019
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: exactly what's happened right now. It's funny though, because they

1020
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 1: have that reputation yet, like you know, Mike Thommins won

1021
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: three more playoff games, you know, in Antonio Brown's era

1022
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: than than Mark has. I mean, it's like they have

1023
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 1: that reputation as I'm at the top five team, but

1024
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: they don't have the results under Mike Tomins, Greg and

1025
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 1: I know. And for arguably for five years running, they

1026
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: had a two time Super Bowl winning quarterback who is

1027
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: ostensibly a future Hall of Famer. Okay, the GM said

1028
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: that he's definitely a future Hall of Famer. You had

1029
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:29,919
Speaker 1: arguably one of the top two receivers in the game,

1030
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: arguably one of the top two running backs in the game,

1031
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: arguably a top five offensive line, and you had a

1032
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: defense littered with first round picks for five years and

1033
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 1: the sum total of those five years was three playoff wins.

1034
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: You don't, yeah, I mean, I just don't see how

1035
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: you don't feel that's an unbelievable waste of talent. In

1036
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: some way, you sense that in that building, like first

1037
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 1: the lavy On Bell drama and then the Brown drama follows,

1038
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden and they still you know that,

1039
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: the James Conner and your Smith Schuster, and they still

1040
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,919
Speaker 1: have players. And I think we're all in agreement. We've

1041
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 1: talked about this, that the Steelers are going to be

1042
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: a competitive team again next year, regardless of those superstars

1043
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: being gone. But the organization, you sense that we really

1044
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: let this get away. This might have been the greatest

1045
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: missed opportunity in the history of the franchise, what we

1046
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 1: had in five years, and we just couldn't get it done.

1047
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: I don't think I hear that from players, But I

1048
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: also hear right now from players just a sense of relief,

1049
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: because if there's anything the New England Patriots have shown

1050
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 1: the rest of the league over the last five years,

1051
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter what your star power is. It's

1052
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: far more about the buy in. It's far more about

1053
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: everybody being willing to accept a role and work towards

1054
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:45,240
Speaker 1: a common goal. And you look at that Patriots team

1055
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 1: and this past year Rob Gronkowski was a shell of

1056
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: himself essentially. But I mean, Tom Brady is the greatest

1057
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: of all time, but who else is really truly a

1058
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: transcendent player on that team? And meanwhile, the Steelers had

1059
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 1: all these transcendent players and couldn't do anything. So and

1060
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin talked about that today too. You know, he

1061
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 1: reiterated a line that he said that at the end

1062
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: of the season, we don't want hostages, we want volunteers.

1063
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: And he also said it's really really important to get

1064
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: good guys who want to do what we want to

1065
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: do and check our boxes and if not, then we'll

1066
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 1: just part ways. And so maybe this is a recognition

1067
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: that the sum of the team is much greater than

1068
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: the individual parts while they had individual parts. But the

1069
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 1: last thing that I would say is that I do

1070
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 1: believe that leadership fosters I think, and this is something

1071
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: I talked about at length with John Harbot yesterday. And

1072
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 1: it's sort of a chicken and an egg thing, Right,

1073
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: do you get the right kind of guy and therefore

1074
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 1: you have the right personality team, or do you get

1075
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 1: a guy and do mold him into the kind of

1076
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: guy that you want or is it some sort of

1077
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 1: mix of that and have the Steelers enabled and allowed

1078
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 1: guys to sort of turn into me me me guys,

1079
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: because I'll tell you this, Antonio Brown was not anything

1080
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 1: like what he was this year. I mean he has.

1081
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 1: We have seen a personality chan GM who I like

1082
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 1: to call Kevin Colboa Colbert I know, but I don't

1083
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: agree with how I just feel about him, but like

1084
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 1: he's always like, oh, there's no drama, Like we disagree

1085
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: with the idea of those drama. It's like, okay, but

1086
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: everyone watching the Steelers from the outside feels the drama

1087
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: was the evil ingredient that separated star power from this rock.

1088
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: And you know what's so funny about that, because I

1089
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,399
Speaker 1: was listening back to so Mike Tomlin when he comes

1090
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: to the owners meetings, does this little session with just

1091
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 1: local reporters, and I have been invited to that the

1092
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: last two years, which no, it was sort of It's

1093
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: not even a humble brag. It's just I'm lucky and

1094
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 1: I am on tenderhooks that it doesn't get taken away

1095
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: because of whatever we may happen to say in this podcast.

1096
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 1: But last year, you know, it's sort of a free

1097
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: flowing he's a little more relaxed. You know. We talked

1098
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:53,800
Speaker 1: for about five minutes whatever, and it's a very small

1099
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: group and we sit around a table. So last year

1100
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: I said to him at the end of the you

1101
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: know session, I said, well, you know, next year, i'd

1102
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: appreciate a little less drama. I'm not sure I can

1103
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: take it. And he said back to me, I'm not

1104
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:15,839
Speaker 1: worried about you. But I foresaw this coming, I mean

1105
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: a year ago, and I actively said at that time

1106
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: last year, less drama would be good. This year we

1107
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 1: only saw more drama. But now this year he's the key.

1108
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: Doesn't more drama mean more a d D on television?

1109
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: M hmm, I suppose. But you know what, here's the truth.

1110
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 1: More stern phone calls to husband, I'm about to go

1111
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,919
Speaker 1: on live. Please stop calling me on multiple devices. You guys,

1112
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: this is such a professionally speaking, it's great for us

1113
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: when there are things to talk about and when people

1114
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: are fascinated by whatever it is you are talking about.

1115
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you, very, very honestly, when I got it,

1116
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: when I fell in love with this game, when I

1117
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: fell in love with journalism, when I got into this.

1118
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 1: It wasn't stories like this that got me going. And

1119
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: while sure, in some ways this is nice for my

1120
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: er that people are fascinated by what I am talking about,

1121
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: it's not any fun to talk about this. Who wants

1122
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 1: to talk about guys? Who? Wow? I think it's the

1123
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: only two things I do have a que jealous jealous

1124
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: I just like I can see where it's going. We talked,

1125
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: We talked about how the players felt about Ben Roethlisberger.

1126
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: How did the players feel about Levian Bell and Antonio

1127
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: Brown by the end of the year. I don't think

1128
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: you know, at no point has anyone thought that Levian

1129
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 1: Bell or Antonio Brown is a bad teammate or a

1130
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: bad guy to play with, or not a hard worker,

1131
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: or not to say that that's what they think of Ben.

1132
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: These are two separate questions, but there's never been any

1133
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: negative thought. I think that would happened at the end

1134
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: with Antonio just became a little bit too ridiculous. And

1135
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 1: I think the team itself lost in the appetite with

1136
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 1: the appetite for any of this. I mean, you heard

1137
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: Jesse James go to Detroit and he played for his

1138
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: hometown team, the Steelers, it was a dream. And he

1139
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 1: got to Detroit and he said, you know what, it

1140
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: was just time to get away from the drama. And

1141
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 1: you have Ramone Foster, who's one of the paid him

1142
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 1: way more money than the Steelers would have, and had

1143
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: plans to use him well, and had plans to use

1144
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 1: him in a variety of ways that are greater than

1145
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: the way the Steelers used him. Sure, there are multiple reasons,

1146
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 1: but he still said that, you know, and it's the

1147
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 1: same thing that I would say to you that being

1148
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: around all of that week in, week out, the constant

1149
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 1: it's exhausting, it's tiring, and there's not that lift of

1150
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 1: there's an energy. Any reporter who regularly spends time in

1151
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: a locker room and tells you that he or she

1152
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: doesn't care if the team wins or loses is full

1153
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: of it. Because a winning locker room is always a

1154
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: better place to be. People are in a better mood,

1155
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 1: they're more gregarious, they have more time for you. The

1156
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 1: question asking is not so onerous. It's always better to

1157
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 1: be around a happy team. Well, final question, because it

1158
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: kind of ties into what you're saying. You saw the

1159
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: storm clouds gathering entering it played out that way. If

1160
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: you look years ago, I saw the years ago. If

1161
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: you look, if you look above, where where's the Steeler's

1162
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 1: home base? Again, what's the address? There's like one Steeler drivers. No,

1163
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: it's uh southwater Stream, right, you look above southwater Stream?

1164
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 1: Is his narrative. Basically, what does the sky look like

1165
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 1: right now? I mean the clouds clearing with all this

1166
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: bad energy? Okay, I do think that it very much

1167
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: feels as if now it will still go on a

1168
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 1: little bit. And we were talking about that today, that

1169
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 1: this feels like the most exhausting season. Can we turn

1170
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: the page and move on? But until Ben Roethlisberger speaks,

1171
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: because as you reference, Ben Roethlisberger has taken quite a

1172
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 1: beating on the national stage for his leadership, for his style,

1173
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 1: his personality. He will have a contract extension at some point.

1174
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: He will then have a press conference. He is bound

1175
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 1: to be asked about what Levyan and Antonio and etcetera.

1176
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 1: Have said. Until that is all addressed, I don't think

1177
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 1: that it's fully page turned, but I definitely feel that

1178
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 1: the organization has had a weight lifted off to show

1179
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: some degree. Do you have anything else to share about

1180
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: your encounters with Mark and West before we say goodbye. Well,

1181
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 1: I was just really desperately disappointed that you chose not

1182
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 1: to break bread with us last night. About well, tonight,

1183
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: maybe we'll catch up. That could be fun. We could

1184
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 1: potentially do that. Took the night off, that's all right,

1185
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 1: you could do that about Greg? It is Greg going

1186
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 1: to be social. They have the whole uh going to

1187
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 1: the same party, the the little thing where the people

1188
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: walk around the little thing where it's like it's like

1189
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 1: an alien trying to describe what a party is. It's like, hey,

1190
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 1: how would you describe it? It's like, hey, and well,

1191
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: you know what you missed yesterday, Greg? Is that it was. Indeed,

1192
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick and Matt Patricia is sitting just a table

1193
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 1: away from us, and Mark was gathering courage to go

1194
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 1: talk to Bill Belichick about all the letters that he

1195
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 1: wrote him as a young man. And I was told

1196
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 1: by Lindsay Rhodes like, no, Like, when the moment happens

1197
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 1: and suddenly you have a chance to meet your young hero,

1198
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: don't go pursue that person. Wait till later. It's like, Okay,

1199
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 1: now that's not gonna happen. So I've gathered no, but

1200
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about, breaking people, destroying people's dreams.

1201
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 1: So when I was a young kid growing up in

1202
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 1: New Jersey, I was a massive Yankees fan and I

1203
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 1: used to go to Yankee games and go Mr Manningley,

1204
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 1: Mr Manningley, you know, because I wanted him to sign

1205
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 1: a ball. And then I grew up and I covered

1206
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 1: the Yankees and I'd be in the clubhouse with Don

1207
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 1: Mattingley's letter. Not be a negative Don Mattingley story. I

1208
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 1: won't have it on this podcast. Well, you know, one

1209
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 1: day I said to him, because we became friendly, I said,

1210
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: you know, I used to be a kid who would

1211
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 1: say Mr Manningley, Mr Manningley. And he's like, oh, and

1212
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 1: I definitely came and signed your ball, right, And I said, no, never,

1213
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: not ever. But I will leave you with this Rickey Henderson,

1214
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 1: who was my all time favorite player. I got to

1215
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 1: meet him as a writer and he was tremendous. Like

1216
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: I remember going home and being like, I got that one, right,

1217
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 1: I got that one, you knew? Yeah, I'm Mike Mattingly.

1218
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 1: Donnie signed my ball. I put ran up to his

1219
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 1: car as it was leaving to get on the Bronx

1220
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 1: River Parkway, and uh. He opened his window and Kim,

1221
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 1: his then wife, UH did not work out well. Um,

1222
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 1: but Kim was like, Donnie, come on, let's go, let's go.

1223
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 1: He's like, no, I gotta I gotta do this, signed

1224
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 1: the ball and said you're my hero, and he'said thanks.

1225
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 1: Man rolled up the window, pulled onto the highway, onto

1226
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 1: the Bronx Expressway or he never I never spoke to him.

1227
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 1: Clearly he never felt compelled. I think it was Dan's

1228
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 1: like the hair hair. I know that would have been weird.

1229
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 1: I was probably wearing a yagge at the time, but

1230
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 1: all right, it just happened. A d D. Thank you

1231
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: so much for joining us. Follow a d D on

1232
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 1: Twitter or don't h and maybe can before we end,

1233
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 1: can I just say I really love Mark and of

1234
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 1: the four of you, Mark was my friend first and

1235
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 1: we bonded over the ab years ago and it was

1236
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 1: like the friendship is ending. Well, this is all done

1237
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 1: just a poke fun because I thought Mark could handle it.

1238
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 1: But apparently, if there's anything that we've known about Mark,

1239
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: he handles poking fun. Great. I will handle it the

1240
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 1: way I'll handle it. Thank you. Your thoughts on the

1241
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 1: Steelers Greg based on what a d D said. I

1242
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 1: thought she had, you know, I mean, I wasn't, as

1243
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 1: you know, a kiss asses West in terms of praising her,

1244
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 1: but they really were good answers. She was overdue to

1245
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 1: come come on the show, and maybe we should, maybe

1246
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 1: we should, maybe we should bend that rule. We're not

1247
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 1: really into phone ers. We only want to do something

1248
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 1: in person. So that's why we don't have a lot

1249
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 1: of these reporters because they're not really here. They're off

1250
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 1: doing their thing. But I thought she provide a lot

1251
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 1: of good context you could read with lines with something

1252
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 1: she told, the line with the Mattingly comments. And I'm

1253
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 1: still deciding whether she'll be back on the show. You

1254
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 1: can call me a kiss ass, but I actually appreciated

1255
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 1: how deep she was willing to think on these issues

1256
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 1: and consider it from multiple angles. Gave nuanced answers, very

1257
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 1: very deep thoughtful answers. All right, good stuff, UM, great stuff.

1258
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 1: In fact, that's our Wednesday show. We'll be back on Friday,

1259
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 1: UM with more action. It's gonna be a wild show

1260
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 1: on Friday. We haven't planned it yet, but I feel

1261
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 1: like whenever we come up with people are gonna be happy.

1262
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 1: It's our annual Bacchanalia episode where just things get insane,

1263
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 1: not much clothes being worn, just it's wild. It's just

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