WEBVTT - David Kendall Meets World 0:00:18.720 --> 0:00:22.639 I have have a question people. So, with our schedule and 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:25.600 everything we're doing in conventions and some other fun stuff, 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:29.320 we're gonna be traveling an awful lot. HM, very excited. 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:34.440 How do you guys pack? Are you willy nilly throw 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:38.280 it in the bag? Packers? Are you lay everything out? Packers? 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:42.440 Is the toilet kit as important as everything else? Walk 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:45.640 me through it? Do you think I seem like a 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:49.800 willy nilly anything? I'm waiting. I know, I was waiting 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:52.239 for you to be like, you know, what's funny? Hold on, 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:57.480 I can prick. Let's see. Danielle uses uh like actual 0:00:57.560 --> 0:01:00.600 bags within the bag, like those little divid eight bags 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:06.120 whatever they're called. I thought maybe she vacuum sealed it. 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:10.960 That's too much work, too much time. I don't have 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:13.360 that kind of time. So how far? How far in 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:15.679 advance would you say you packed Danielle for a trip? 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:19.360 Usually the night before, but I will start thinking about 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:21.880 the outfits I want to bring, like in this case, 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:24.240 when you're talking about packing for a con I know 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:27.400 I need three distinct outfits because we're going to be 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:30.160 photographed every day. That doesn't mean I can't rewear a 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:31.880 pair of pants if I wanted to like, if I'm 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:33.800 gonna like this weekend, I'm bringing a pair of black 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:36.360 jeans and I'm bringing my Harley shirt. That's the only 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:38.399 outfit I know for sure, is that I'm bringing my 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:41.199 Harley shirt and a pair of black jeans. And then 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:45.720 I usually try to bring two pairs of shoes, one 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:47.640 I wear and one that goes in my suitcase, and 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:50.680 that always goes on the bottom, and then I covered 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:53.520 the shoes with some sort of bag or like put 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:55.400 the shoes in a bag if I can, like so 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:58.560 that the shoes aren't touching my clothes. And then I 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:02.640 only will bring me a carry on size because if 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:04.560 I'm only going for a weekend, I do not want 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:06.920 to wait for a checked bag. So I have all 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:11.280 my toiletries and small carry on sizes and um, I 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:13.800 also like get my hair done before I go and 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:15.880 then try not to have to do anything special to 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:17.560 my hair while I'm there. Just my hair is what 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:21.480 my hair is, uh, and yeah, so that's that's pretty 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:23.840 much it. I do try to bring two pairs of shoes, 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:26.720 so luckily I've got small feet, so they fit nicely 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:28.600 in my carry on size bag and I don't need 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:31.600 to worry about too much. But what about now, let 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:33.240 me throw a wrinkle at you. What about because we 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:35.120 go to hotels and stuff like that, do you throw 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:37.240 in workout clothes in case you want to hit the gym? 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:41.400 Or no, well I have not worked out in four years. 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:47.480 I do not know why I would choose to start 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:55.040 day No, I mean no, I would never That sounds 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:58.799 like the opposite of fun for me. I've been very 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:01.480 optimistic in the past, packed like a pair of running 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:03.840 shoes and sweatpaths, and then they just sit in my 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:06.960 bag and like, why did I do this? The only 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:08.960 thing I would do is bring bathing suit because then 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:11.160 you could swim and you don't have to pack as much. 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:13.200 Are you? Are you a chuck it in the bag 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:15.120 kind of like oh that's right, I'm leaving this morning, 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:17.840 or do you plan? Yes? I pack very quickly. But 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:21.160 that's actually a conscious thing, not because I it's because 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:23.800 if I think too much about it, I overpack. And 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:28.880 I've realized I have never ever felt underpacked. I've always 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:31.400 felt overpacked. So in other words, if I forced myself 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:34.239 to only bring two shirts and a pair of pants, 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:37.600 I'm fine, Like once I'm there, and like even in 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:40.280 the worst case scenario where like I've been at sundance 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:43.400 and wasn't warm enough. You can buy a sweatshirt, you know, 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:46.080 for twenty bucks or whatever if you really need it, 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:48.880 Like you can figure out your situation. And like, especially 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:51.640 now in the age of phones, like you don't the 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:53.280 thing I do pack too much of his books. I 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:57.640 always pack four or five books, and I never allowed 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:00.000 one carry on. Yeah, it's reminders there, the whole other 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.120 thing a book. But like, yeah, when it comes to clothing, 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:04.200 I try and do it within five to ten minutes, 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:09.280 as quickly as possible and just as bare bones, because 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:12.040 every time I've brought too many clothes, I end up 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:14.680 having like less fun because I'm paralyzed by choosing what 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:17.359 to wear or you know, whereas and then you're dealing 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:18.880 with it all the time, Whereas like if you just 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:22.159 force yourself to pack very light, you're fun. You always 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:25.000 end up okay. So that's my little loss. What about you, Well, 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:27.560 I'm right in the middle of both of you. I 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:30.360 will I, you know, have one specific bag I pack. 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:32.120 I kind of know what I'm doing now, I've kind 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:34.040 of got it down to a science. But Sue got 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:36.760 me a new dop kit for Christmas and it's awesome. 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:39.280 So that's I'm almost having. I'm one of those people 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:42.000 where I almost spend more time packing my carry on 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:43.599 for the stuff that I want to bring with me. 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:46.359 That's more fun than clothes, where I'm like, I always 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:48.159 kind of wear the same pair of jeans and you know, 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:50.240 throw on a shirt, have a sweater. I do go 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:52.000 to the gym when I'm at the I try to 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:53.480 go every day when I'm at the hotel, so I 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:55.280 have to bring one or two different sets of workout 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:58.760 clothes and then workout choose. But yeah, other than that, 0:04:58.800 --> 0:04:59.960 I'm kind of in the middle of both of you. 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:05.360 So I was curious. Hmm, I'm looking forward to the gym. Yeah, 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:07.160 you're good at that. You'd like to run. You run 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:14.480 outside my house every day you're you're at Daniel usually 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:16.760 you used to see Adler out there before Adler was 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:19.400 in school. Yeah, he was always out there raking or 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:24.080 shoveling or you'd like to keep him literally and he'd wave. 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:26.760 He'd wave like like you were running by the guy 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:28.760 who's just you know, he's raking it, and he'd just 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:30.360 go hey, like hey, how you doing like the middle 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:32.480 of the work day. You caught me, buddy. Um. He 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:35.440 was really cute. Yesterday we were in the car and 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:38.039 I was listening to a recap episode that I'm editing, 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:42.240 and he goes, Mommy, that's you, and I said, yeah, 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:44.520 that's that's me. And he goes, this is your work 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:47.279 and I said, yeah, this is this is one of 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:49.080 this is one of my jobs. And he goes, and 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:52.600 your friends and I said, yes, writer and will and 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:56.520 he goes wow. And then he was really happy about that. 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:59.400 And then at night last night before bed, he wanted 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:01.840 me to read him like a third book. And I said, well, 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:03.080 which book do you want me to read you? And 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:05.719 he said Frog and Toad And I said, oh, Frog 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:07.520 and Toad. I said, as a matter of fact, Addler, 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:11.000 you just today we're talking about writer Writer Alex and 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:14.960 Indie gave you this book. And he went like so 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:17.520 excited that I was like, yes, Indie. So anyway, you 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:22.159 guys have been the others starting to understand our work. 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:26.560 It's very cute. Well, welcome to Pod Meets World. I'm 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:31.880 Danielle Fischel, I'm writer Strong, and I'm Wilfride. So throughout 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:34.400 our time on Boy Meets World. We had the honor 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:38.680 of working with writers, directors, and producers who single handedly 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:43.039 changed family television, creatives whose body of work is expansive 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:46.240 and legendary, and this week we are talking to one 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:49.520 of those types. David Kendall was the executive producer and 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:52.719 showrunner of Boy Meets World for seasons two and three 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:55.800 and would go on to direct thirteen episodes right up 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:58.800 until the end. He wrote one episode, back to School, 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:01.159 which is a script we will definitely want to talk 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:03.640 to him about. And before joining us, he was an 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:07.720 EP on a little show called Growing Pains, which he 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:14.560 wrote thirty three episodes of Isn't That Incredible? Since then, 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:18.480 he has directed episodes of I Carle Victorious, Ned's Declassified 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:22.320 School Survival Guide, Even Stevens, Hannah Montana, and he co 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:25.080 created Melissa and Joey, a show that ran for over 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:28.880 one hundred episodes on ABC Family Slash free Form. He's 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:31.960 directed two pilots on Disney Channel, both shows I had 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:34.640 the honor of directing myself Coop and Cammy, Asked the 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:37.680 World and Sydney to the Max. We genuinely had to 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:40.400 ignore a ton of his credits for this intro or 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:42.720 we would be here all day. He's worked directly with 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:45.360 all the actors now running Hollywood, from Austin Butler to 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:48.680 Ariana to Miley to the Joe Bros. To Zendaiah and 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:52.560 over forty different series, six hundred episodes of TV and 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:56.320 two hundred plus as a director. If only he was 0:07:56.360 --> 0:08:00.400 given a chance, you know, such a shame. Please welcome 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:04.720 to Pod meets World. The impressive David Kendall. Oh my goodness, 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:08.640 Oh my goodness, he can hear you. Goodness. Okay, you 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:10.760 want to see me too? I do, Yes, your face 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:20.440 hear them. Hey David, Hey, David, Hey, how are you doing? 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:22.520 Oh good? I wish I could hug you guys. This 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:31.200 is no virtus a hugmout. I'll put a hug in 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:34.600 the chat there. You put a link to a hug chat. 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:39.640 First question, you famously ruined boy meats. Where I'll talk 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:48.320 about that? Yes, well, I'd like to call a drop shock. Yes, 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:52.360 actually we should really start with that since you wrote 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:56.400 the episode. Is the only episode that I wrote? That? 0:08:56.840 --> 0:09:00.800 Is that true? Only episode that has my name on it? Right? Oh? 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:02.600 You know, when you're running a show, it's it's I 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:06.679 think you know you should let the staff write the episodes. 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:10.480 I think. So that was my philosophy. So, um, yeah, 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:12.600 but you you came in as an ep right away. 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:15.480 I came in. Um. If you remember, there was a 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:19.600 first season, and probably something that you guys didn't know 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:23.840 is that the second subsequent subsequent seasons weren't exactly a lock. 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:28.280 You know. They the network wanted to make sure that, um, 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:32.520 the show had a longer life, and they kind of, um, 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:36.840 kiddeyness for one of a better term. I'll find a 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:38.679 better term when we really do this. This is the 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:44.760 practice recording. Um. They didn't think that could sustain And Um, 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:48.120 I was on a show for six years called Growing Pains, Yes, 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:53.520 and which was a little show called Growing Only. The 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:57.000 entire reason Boys World existed, yeah because of the success 0:09:57.040 --> 0:09:59.040 of Growing that is, well, I don't know if it's 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:02.640 entirely but um yeah, Michael told me. Michael Jacobs told 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:04.840 me at one point, because he has many different versions 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:08.319 of stories, was that he had pitched uh boy Meet's 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:10.520 World as Growing Pains from the point of view of 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:16.880 the youngest kid that's heard. So uh. When Michael started 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:20.280 uh creating some other shows, they needed a showrunner for 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:23.599 the second season, I had growing pains as my credentials 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:27.559 and the network like me and they wanted to age up. 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:30.080 Was the was the mantra and it was no no 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:33.840 means uh secure the future of Boy's World. In fact, 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:36.560 I was in a meeting with the network in the studio. 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:39.360 They hated the title. Everybody hated the title. We all 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:41.440 hated the title. Wow. And it's like, what can we 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:44.640 call the show that's not Boy Mee's World because it 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:46.840 just sounds you know, it's hard to imagine, like now 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:50.719 that it's iconic now, but then it was just kind 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:54.560 of this awkward phrase. And it's like when I first 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:56.160 heard wait a second, Wait a second. They wanted to 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:58.880 change the title after season one. I know, that's what 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:01.439 I say. They were willing to change it into Yes, 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:06.120 they talked about it. They love it. Well, I guess 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:08.559 it's like it's going from Torkelson's to almost Home. It's 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:10.880 kind of just right branding. We could just rebrand the show. 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:14.480 Ellen de Generes. Show was called these Friends of Mine 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:16.160 or some friends of Mine or something in the first 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:20.440 season and if you came so and also it's let 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:23.960 me just speak globally. It's just amazing that we're talking 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:26.760 about Boy Meets World in twenty twenty three. It's like, yeah, 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:31.560 it's it was I was producing the show. What shows that? 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:38.000 What's that? Right? What? Everything you're saying touches on exactly 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:40.000 what we have said and the way based on the 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:42.400 way we felt at the time, which was we always 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:44.800 felt like we were on the bubble, like we were 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:47.160 at any point in time going to be canceled. It 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:51.720 was there was no security job security for anybody anywhere. Um. 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:54.320 And also we felt like we were recording a show 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:57.760 for our grandparents because no one really knew the show, 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:00.520 what the show was, Yes, and we didn't know that 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:03.640 there were young people whose lives we were forming and 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:07.280 it's just so cool. Uh. And yeah, we did have 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:09.800 a show where every season we waited for a call 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:13.040 from the governor to pardon us for the next season, 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:15.480 they're about to flip the switch, and then it was like, well, 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:18.200 we'll give them one more. Well, but so I actually 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:20.240 asked this question when we're recording a couple weeks ago, 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:22.319 but dude, are were we picked up for the full 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:25.840 order for second season? Where were we only? But it 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:28.480 still was they wanted the show to have a longer 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:30.680 future like growing pains, and so that was part of 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:34.319 the reason or a big reason that well aging it up, 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:37.880 and h you know, I've heard you guys talk about 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:42.800 the drop shock of second season, but I think even 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:45.760 all the changes we did, we still stayed true or 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:48.240 true ish to the characters and people were watching the 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:50.920 same characters. And I do listen to your podcast, and 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:53.960 it's nice to hear that you guys are more comfortable 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:57.360 and liking the stuff in the second season, because honestly, 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:00.680 you know, I was listening to the the episode where 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:02.679 you're talking about the show I wrote the only one 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:05.240 with my name owners writer, and it's just I could 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:10.360 hear you guys, you're mentally throwing up. Yeah, it was 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:14.320 super disoriented, it was, for sure, it was. But also 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:17.000 one of the things we loved about it was how 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:20.920 many new character characters you guys were able to introduce 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:26.000 in that first episode and still make it all makes sense. 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:28.080 I mean, it was very disorienting, but it was still 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:32.040 a great episode with introducing so many new iconic characters. Well, writer, 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:34.679 you're disoriented when the classroom faces the other way, so 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:38.960 everything everything. Did you remember that first episode because it 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:40.959 seemed like when we we we were talking about it, 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:42.920 I was like, this must have been crazy behind the 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:45.640 scenes because we had like nine new characters and so 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:48.760 many storylines and new sets. It was just it seemed 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:51.480 like a lot. Yeah, I watched it last night actually 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:56.720 to to rewatch, and some things I remember crisply and precisely, 0:13:57.120 --> 0:14:00.880 and some things was was I there, I don't remember right, 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:03.240 But you know, we tried a lot of things that 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:08.959 the stuff with the Thugs worked great, H and H. 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:12.480 Introducing Tony Quinn it just worked great. That was a 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:13.959 great way to meet him, a great way to set 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:19.880 up the relationship with Phoene, and the relationship between Turner 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:23.520 and Uh and Ben was great. And so many things worked. 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:25.040 I was looking at it last night saying, so many 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:26.880 things worked. But yeah, it was like that was the 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:30.240 charge age up the show, introduced new characters, put it 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:35.360 in a different world. There were influences. UH Friends was 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:38.000 an influence just to have to flesh out the the 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:44.080 twenty something characters that that Tony represented and Um also 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:48.320 there was another tremendously successful show called Happy Days, and 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:51.120 it was just a flavor of that element with the 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:54.040 show and make it a fun place for kids to 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:56.360 hang out and grow up in in the show and 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:59.040 in the audience. So Happy Days was a conscious reference 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:01.520 that you were told. Okay, because because we've talked about 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:04.120 how the Thugs have the sort of throwback vibe to them. 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:07.400 He's sort of old school high school bully, and we've 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:09.840 said it's like a happy Day's ish thing. Yeah, that 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:22.560 we're interesting. Yeah, I have a I have a question. Um, 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:25.520 so in all these meetings before season two starts, you're 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:27.440 getting all your marching orders from the network and we 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:28.640 want to age it up. We want to do all 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:32.440 this stuff. Ever a talk of dropping any or all 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:36.320 of the three of us. Oh, no, okay, just checking 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:42.640 his dad to be you're very badly in some ways. 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:44.640 I am Will's dad. Do they know that story? Well, yeah, 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:46.200 they don't know this story yet. We will get into 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:50.400 that story of David still being my dad. Yeah. Yeah, 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:53.280 but no, was if they were like, we don't you 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:55.800 know the Eric it's the Chucky Cunningham the Eric character, 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:57.720 or we're not gonna get bring to Panga back. I mean, 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:01.600 Ryder was probably fine well with Corey and Sean, but 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:07.440 we did you know, because you're physically related to it's 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:10.200 usually you have that established bond between best friends where 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:11.760 they're not gonna you know, they tried so hard to 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:13.440 bring in a third best friend. They weren't going to 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:16.760 bring in you know, somebody else. But especially with Eric 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:19.360 in the first season kind of lifted out to Panga 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:22.520 could have disappeared. Yeah, I mean we saw it happen, 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:24.560 So it was I was wondering if that if that 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:27.040 had been discussed at any level. Well, no, the the 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:30.760 discussions were well, Michael said something on very stage, you said, 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:35.640 the show is about how Ben and Ryder are, Corey 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:38.040 and and un shown are the same and how they're different. 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:40.520 It's about their differences in their similarities, which was a 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:43.080 template for for the show and it's template for for 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:46.800 finding stories. And then Uh, we were all very serious 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:50.840 about making to Panga integral to the show and that 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:55.080 it was about Corey having a friend and a girlfriend 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:57.720 and watching those relationships developed. And that's really what the 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:01.440 show was about. To me, those best episodes are uh 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:04.639 in that in that arc in that you know Trio 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:09.760 and uh and but we loved the way that will 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:11.840 that you evolved. It was like, we got to find 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:14.400 a place for this guy. This guy punted this guy 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:17.880 so funny that that's quere that we got to find 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:20.760 something for this guy to do and a little bit 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:24.200 more than just the um. See. I hate when you say, oh, 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:26.840 that's the dumb guy, that's the dumb character. I always 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:30.000 say they think differently. They're either a beat behind that 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:35.199 take come to it that way. You don't want to 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:38.080 make a joke that's dumb. You want to make a 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:40.960 joke that sees that's different. There's a great joke where 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:42.880 I don't I don't think you've done the episode. It's 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:46.160 the radio station one where Phoenie opens the door and 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:51.480 sees you know, Benn and Rider, and Rider says, don't move, 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:56.119 maybe he doesn't see us. Yeah, And that's that's to me. 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:58.640 That's not a dumb jokes to me, it's a guy 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:05.080 thinking differently. So uh. But anyway, Will's character Eric is like, 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:08.199 what can we well can we what can we do? 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:09.720 How can we fit in and just have a guy 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:13.760 who can just go nuts and just be big and 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:15.760 make you believe it. I mean a lot of times 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:18.040 actors can go big and you just don't believe it. 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:20.600 But you know, commitment is what makes the beat, the 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:24.280 bit makes at work and you know will fredellt Uh. 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:26.440 He knows how to commit. It makes something. No one 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:30.440 is more committed than Will truly, it's middle name, it's 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:33.800 William Allen. Because I was going to say, anybody one 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:38.040 of us needs to be committed. Yea, when the straight 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:41.920 lines are hanging out there, it's hard. So I think 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:43.560 you kind of answered this, but I want to ask 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:46.600 Larry specifically. Were you brought in by Michael first and 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:49.240 then approved by the network, or were you by the network. 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:51.200 I had not met Michael, I had not known Michael, 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:54.760 so I was the network's choice, and uh, you know 0:18:54.800 --> 0:19:00.000 he accepted. We got along guys who had been roughly 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:01.359 doing that I did in the first season. We're Ed 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:04.200 Dector and John Strauss and they are like my best friends. 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:07.199 We talk all the time. Really yeah. Yeah, I went 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:10.280 to college with Ed. Uh. John and I've lived close 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:11.600 to each other for a while, and like I had 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:14.040 breakfast every day for you know, millions of years. I 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:15.760 have very fond memories of that. I haven't seen them 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:20.160 for years, but I thought to Ed yesterday, oh please, 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:22.440 we have to we have to reach out. Yeah, it's 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:26.960 a great guy. And uh. And so they were kind 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:31.560 of happy to get out, honestly, and I was looking 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:34.520 forward to running that show. I'd seen the episodes. I 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:37.640 thought I didn't like all the stories because I thought 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:39.840 that these aren't the type of stories that are going 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:42.920 to sustain a primetime show for for years and years, 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:44.720 And that's what ABC wanted. And I was, you know, 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:47.560 I was installed by ABC and you know, with Michael's approval, 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:50.520 and we met. Yeah, And at the time, if I 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:53.439 remember correctly, Michael was also trying to start other shows. 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:56.480 Ye see right, so he was off. Actually he would 0:19:56.480 --> 0:19:58.680 like leave our set for a week or two because 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:01.280 he would be working another show. Right. So what were 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:03.000 those shows? Do you guys remember what they were? Was 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:04.959 it maybe this time? Was it maybe this time? At 0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:07.840 that point? Yet every year for like two or three 0:20:07.920 --> 0:20:12.119 years there, he was creating the Genie Show. At one point, 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:15.679 you wish maybe maybe next time or whatever that was 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:19.760 maybe this time? Um, but yeah, he was he Loves Company, 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:22.520 Misery Loves Company. He also did Zoe Duncan, Jack and Jane. 0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:24.800 I mean, he had a bunch of shows while we 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:28.159 were going, um, which which was yeah, we never he 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:29.879 would kind of pop in and pop out during that 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:32.959 second season in the third season when we moved down 0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:36.080 to KTLA, we didn't see him that much. Yeah, okay, 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:38.520 so that was where he really Yeah, well, because I 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:40.399 remember there was a period where you were giving notes 0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:42.439 and like, yeah, you were running the show, and it 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:44.159 was like, well we would see Michael every couple of 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:46.520 weeks or maybe on tape night. But to be fair, 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:50.040 who wants to go to KTLA? Yeah, it was a 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:53.800 rough That was a rough time. You hadn't started yet 0:20:53.840 --> 0:20:56.280 because we were in writer's mode when we went there 0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:59.000 and got the new offices, and it was either the 0:20:59.000 --> 0:21:01.760 first or second day where someone said, everybody staying inside 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:03.920 their offices. There's a shooting in the building across the street, 0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:06.960 so everybody, you know, getting their offices, and it was 0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:08.399 we sit there and look at each other and be like, 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:11.480 which strip club should these kids go to to have 0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:16.360 a lot today. That's where we started getting lunch delivered, right, 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:19.959 because at Disney we would go to the commissary, yeah, 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:25.800 or there would be stuff. There was literally and the 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:28.280 two I got the Tuesday morning buffet at the local 0:21:28.359 --> 0:21:31.119 strip club is really sad. I got to be totally 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:34.320 honest with you. It's gotten better. They've redone those studios, right, 0:21:34.359 --> 0:21:40.520