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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the so called New Diddy. Yes,

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Speaker 1: two wealthy Florida real estate brothers rape trophies are just revealed.

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Speaker 2: Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: A trio of brothers, luxury real estate agents to the

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Speaker 3: super rich, indicted on federal sex trafficking and battery charges.

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Speaker 3: Claims go back more than a decade.

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Speaker 1: Claims going back more than a decade. Try two decades. Now,

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Speaker 1: forty women that we know of, the claiming these filthy

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Speaker 1: rich real estate moguls took part in rape after rape

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Speaker 1: after systematic rape, and that the allegations.

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Speaker 2: Go back to when they were in high school.

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Speaker 1: All that money, all that privilege and education has bought

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Speaker 1: them a one way ticket to Hell with a pitstop

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Speaker 1: and the federal penitentiary.

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Speaker 2: That's my prediction.

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Speaker 1: But I want you to hear what Damian Williams, the

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Speaker 1: US attorney, has to say.

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Speaker 4: The Alexander brothers and other men they planned the trips

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Speaker 4: with paid for the flights or accommodations for the women

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Speaker 4: on these trips, and at times the defendants handpicked the

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Speaker 4: women to invite. At other times they use paid party

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Speaker 4: promoters to source women for them. The indictment also alleges

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Speaker 4: that in advance of these events, the Alexander brothers and

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Speaker 4: others procured drugs that they agreed to provide to the women,

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Speaker 4: including cocaine, mushrooms, and GHB as. We allege that these

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Speaker 4: drugs caused some of the women to be physically unable

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Speaker 1: Now you know why they're calling it the new ditty

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Speaker 1: or should I say the new ditties? Now that's what

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Speaker 1: the US attorney is saying for the US attorney for

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Speaker 1: the Southern District. But I want you to look at

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Speaker 1: orin Alexander on the founder.

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Speaker 5: Having the ability to work with my brother, to have

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Speaker 5: a partner with your brother.

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Speaker 6: You know, just think about that for a seconds.

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Speaker 3: The biggest issue you have in partnership is trust and

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Speaker 3: knowing that you don't.

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Speaker 7: Have to worry.

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Speaker 2: Honey, you got something to worry about.

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Speaker 1: Now, what if your brother flips on you and testifies

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Speaker 1: against you. Let's just analyze what we just heard, and

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Speaker 1: that's where our friends that from the founder on YouTube,

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Speaker 1: that's or an Alexander one of the and I mean.

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Speaker 2: Filt the rich rolling in money. That's or an Alexander quote.

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Speaker 1: Having the ability to work with my brother, to have

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Speaker 2: You know, just think about that for a second. Don't worry.

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking about it.

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Speaker 1: The biggest issue you have in partnership is trust and

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Speaker 1: knowing you don't have to worry.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what happened with me?

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Speaker 1: An All Star panel, Let's get to it straight out

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Speaker 1: to Christie Yo joining US national news anchor Salem News Channel, Christina,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. I'm really curious about

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Speaker 1: how much money these two have. And this goes all

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Speaker 1: the way back. Their family is wealthy, their grandfather.

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Speaker 2: Wealthy, blah blah blah blah, kind.

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Speaker 1: Of like Luigi MANGIONI just all that money to silver

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Speaker 2: And yet this what happened, Christina.

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Speaker 8: You know, actually I think it started way back when

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Speaker 8: to come out and say that they actually had a

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Speaker 8: sex fan that was parked in front of their parents

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Speaker 8: forty million dollars beachfront of state where the boys, the

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Speaker 8: brothers in high school, would take women to have sex

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Speaker 8: in that bus in front of their parents' house. So

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Speaker 8: this has been behavior that has been encouraged, perhaps by

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Speaker 8: their parents all the way through. Then you add the

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Speaker 8: hundreds of millions of dollars in properties that these brothers

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Speaker 8: have sold in the security business, and they're pretty much

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Speaker 8: running around town doing anything that they want, including, according

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Speaker 8: to prosecutors, drugging women raping women. Each brother has separately

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Speaker 8: been accused of at least ten rapes, ten forcible rapes

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Speaker 8: by women, and prosecutors are.

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Speaker 2: Saying that, hey, hey, Christina, Christina Ohio, hold on.

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Speaker 1: Don't wait a minute, we were just looking at them.

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Speaker 1: Karen Stark, why is it so hard for people to

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Speaker 1: believe that super wealthy, college educated, great job guys can

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Speaker 1: commit heinous crimes. That's what he posted on his own Facebook.

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Speaker 7: Go go ahead, Well, I really believe Nancy, and people

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Speaker 1: Nima Ramani is joining US high profile lawyer out of

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Speaker 1: the California jurisdiction and for my purposes, former federal prosecutor,

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Speaker 1: Harvard to hashtag.

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Speaker 2: Nina, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Many people not familiar with our world of crime would say, hey,

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Speaker 1: why do they have to rape women?

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Speaker 2: With good looks?

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Speaker 1: Of course they're not attractive to me. I think they

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Speaker 1: look like Satan himself. But with good looks and all

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Speaker 1: that money, they could get any woman they want, So

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Speaker 1: why rape a woman? That kind of argument has actually

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Speaker 1: worked on jurys before, Nima, it has.

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Speaker 5: But Nancy, this isn't just having sex with women. We're

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Speaker 5: talking about drug induced orgies right where multiple men, including

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Speaker 5: the two brothers, are allegedly having sex with the same woman. So, yeah,

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Speaker 5: women might want to have sex with a handsome, healthy man,

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Speaker 5: but not get in a situation where they're having an

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Speaker 1: Your speaking sense to me, Yes, I know that. That's

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Speaker 1: my point, Nama, I'm like two steps beyond that.

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Speaker 2: Of course, what you just said is right.

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Speaker 1: What I'm saying is it would be argued to a jury.

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Speaker 2: Just look at them.

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Speaker 1: Why would they have to source women with a pr

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Speaker 2: Therefore, ergo they're innocent.

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Speaker 5: It's not just any woman, Nancy. They need new women

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Speaker 5: every single night, and they want to do things to

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Speaker 5: these women that a lot of women wouldn't consent to. Now,

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Speaker 5: obviously this is a family show, so I'm not going

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Speaker 5: to get into all that, But that's why they're using

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Speaker 5: drugs like GHB to drug these women so they can't

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Speaker 5: say no. That's what this is all about. And the

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Speaker 5: tailor's old as time doesn't matter if it's the Alexander brothers.

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Speaker 2: Diddy, Okay, I can see that.

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Speaker 1: I'm clearly I think you and I have a communication

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Speaker 1: problem because you're just basically saying everything that I say.

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Speaker 1: I'm Linn Shaw helped me out here, founder executive director

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Speaker 1: Lynn's Warriors, committed to ending sex attacks on children and women.

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Speaker 2: Lynn Shaw.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to make the point that the argument will

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Speaker 1: be made by the defense. I already know the facts

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Speaker 1: is presented by the state. Everything that Ramani just said

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Speaker 1: I get it. I've read the indictment. Okay, the defense

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Speaker 1: rape women. They can get any woman they want. Therefore,

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Speaker 1: this is consensual. That's bs It's argued in so many

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Speaker 9: I call them the Alexander Brothers crime family, and I

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Speaker 9: call these Dirty Ditty complicit wannabes. Listen, the egos are

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Speaker 9: so big they're out of again. This is the same

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Speaker 9: story we heard with Ditty and others facing charges like this,

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Speaker 9: that so many vulnerable girls and women. I'm going to

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Speaker 9: down to were there any miners involved, but that will

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Speaker 9: unfold at some point. They want to see and live

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Speaker 9: this lifestyle. Many of these women were approached online complete strangers,

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Speaker 9: people girls especially really want to experience this. I'm here

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Speaker 9: to say if this case can help us educate the

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Speaker 9: general public, because we're hearing about all these you know,

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Speaker 9: Dirty Ditty, We're hearing about Tape Brothers, We're hearing about

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Speaker 9: Jeffrey Epstein, We're hearing about now these criminal Alexander brothers.

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Speaker 9: If it could, if it could water down eventually. My

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Speaker 9: can educate everybody. When they offer you something like this,

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Speaker 9: this lifestyle for free, they're going to fly you somewhere

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Speaker 9: run in the other direction. This is again their powers,

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Speaker 9: their money, their egos, their homes overtaking people's common sense.

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Speaker 9: We have to do better educating the public, girls and

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Speaker 9: women about all of this.

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Speaker 1: Their family wealth has been estimated, correct me if I'm wrong,

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Speaker 1: Christina a WHYO joining me from Salem Use Channel over

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Speaker 1: one hundred and fifteen million dollars.

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Speaker 8: Correct, And I'm I'm sure that's even more than that is.

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Speaker 8: The parents have offered to put up to one billion

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Speaker 8: on bail. They've even offered to put them up in

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Speaker 8: a second story apartment complex where they're jail time, pre trial,

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Speaker 8: that has no beachfront, that has no luxury, that's you know,

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Speaker 1: W way W WHA wha white white white Christina wait

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Speaker 1: did you say the parents want to get them out

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Speaker 2: Jail is because they don't have.

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Speaker 8: A beach, they won't have a view, they won't have

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Speaker 1: Bill Day, it's the ditties, it's the new ditties because

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Speaker 1: all the money procuring the women, making other people be

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Speaker 1: But also is Luigi Minngioni all over again. Here is

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Speaker 1: have to live with healthcare industry while he's in a

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Speaker 2: From nothing nothing, passing it down.

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Speaker 1: So Luigi Mangioni could find in his luxury condo these

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Speaker 10: And in this case they've actually built their business, so

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Speaker 10: they've built their brand. They now feel omnipotent. I mean

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Speaker 10: they have money, they're they're traveling with celebrities, they're flying

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Speaker 10: on private jets. You know, they're selling these huge, multi

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Speaker 10: these are the paper people. If I put a profile

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Speaker 10: of them to speak about how these people become it

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Speaker 10: can become emboldened, emblazoned. It's both feeding the ego as

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Speaker 10: well as also just their ability to control things. So

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Speaker 10: they like to be able to can everything, whether it's

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Speaker 1: Guess what, I got a superseding indictment. I bet that's

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Speaker 1: making Nima Ramani just clench because when you see the

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Speaker 1: FEDS have a superseding indictment, this is for conspiracy to

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Speaker 1: commit sex trafficking on these rich brats. That means, hey,

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Speaker 1: We're issuing a revised, a new and improved indictment with

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Speaker 6: There are three Alexander brothers. Two of the brothers are

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Speaker 2: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 11: In a fifty million dollar Upper east Side townhouse, the

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Speaker 11: Celebrants are greeted by a nearly naked woman on display

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute?

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Speaker 1: A fifty million dollar Upper east Side townhouse. The real

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Speaker 2: Deja vous? Huh does this remind you of anything? Hi diddy?

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Speaker 1: You are nothing like eating sushi off a naked lady

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Speaker 4: The Alexander brothers, sometimes acting alone, sometimes with each other,

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Speaker 4: As the indictment alleges that Alexander Brothers sex trafficking agreement

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Speaker 2: It's really a lot to take in.

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Speaker 1: You know, very often, as a former prosecutor prosecuting nothing

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Speaker 1: why ask why? It doesn't matter. I had one job

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Speaker 1: to seek the truth. Who did, what, where?

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Speaker 2: When? Why? Why?

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Speaker 1: Not? So much to Karen Stark, renowned psychologists joining us, Karen, it's.

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Speaker 2: Not about sex. That's a simple answer for me.

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Speaker 1: Why don't the real estate bros with all their money

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Speaker 2: It's not about the sex. What is it?

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Speaker 7: It's a perversion, Nancy. They're getting off on raping, satomizing

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Speaker 7: a normal relationship, the kind that you're referring to does

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Speaker 7: not excite them. They have gotten used to this kind

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Speaker 7: and this is what gets them excited. Nothing else.

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Speaker 1: Talk about a wolf in sheep's clothing. These wild extravagance

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Speaker 2: They were just a.

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Speaker 1: Russ to find sex assault victims for the New Didties.

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Speaker 6: Listen, the fabulous parties with fabulous people might have been

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Speaker 6: Each of the three brothers has been accused of forcible

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Speaker 1: Second verse, same as the first. Do I have to

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Speaker 2: Why the real estate bros Are.

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Speaker 1: Called the New Didties? Same thing now? They called it

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Speaker 4: Comes allegedly planned and controlled the sex performances, which he

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Speaker 4: called freakofs, and he often electronically recorded them. The freak

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Speaker 4: offs sometimes lasted days at a time, involved multiple commercial

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Speaker 1: To Christina Awayo, joining US investigative reporter and news anchor,

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Speaker 1: the comparison between the real estate Bros and Diddy are inescapable.

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Speaker 2: They are.

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Speaker 8: They both are basically using their power and influence to

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Speaker 8: And the same goes for Diddy. He has so much

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Speaker 8: from certain events. And I think the same is true

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Speaker 8: People are scared of not being believed. People are scared

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Speaker 8: of having their lives ruined. They're scared of accusing men

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Speaker 3: The Alexander Brothers await rape charges in jail as a

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Speaker 3: New York federal judge deems the trio flight risks, they're

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Speaker 3: Detention Setter lose.

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Speaker 1: The Alexander Brothers is so called real estate bros rolling

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Speaker 1: in money, also called the New Ditties. All of their

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Speaker 2: Their rape charges.

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Speaker 1: All started when one woman spoke out. According to prosecutors,

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Speaker 6: Listen, The Alexander brothers fall from grace begins when the

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Speaker 6: Real Deal reports on damning lawsuits brought by alleged victims

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Speaker 6: Kate Whitman and Rebecca Mandel. Whyman alleges the brothers abducted

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Speaker 6: dragged her into a large bedroom where she was sexually assaulted, abused, raped, pinned, groped, harassed, battered,

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Speaker 1: Lin saw joining us from Lynn's Warriors, how it only

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Speaker 1: takes one person, one person to stand up and be counted,

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Speaker 9: Yeah, but we have to educate everybody that we will

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Speaker 9: stand next to you. That is what I'm hoping all

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Speaker 9: of these dirty ditties and this Alexander Brothers crime family

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Speaker 9: will bring more public awareness again watering down to you know,

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Speaker 9: There was so much video evidence here, and I want

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Speaker 9: where they uploaded to porn sites? Was there millions of dollars?

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Lynn Shaw, hold on, you're exactly right

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Speaker 1: straight out to Christina at Yo joining US news anchor

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Speaker 1: investigative reporter. What are the so called trophies of the

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Speaker 1: real estate bros That has just have just been revealed.

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Speaker 8: Yes, well, it's one thing to have a witness testimony, right,

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Speaker 8: but it's an entirely different situation when you have video evidence.

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Speaker 8: As we just saw with the Cassie and Diddy situation.

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Speaker 8: Prosecutors and investigators rated tell Alexander's Manhattan apartment and they

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Speaker 8: found a hard drive filled with pictures and videos. They're

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Speaker 8: saying in these videos, of course, there's the quote unquote

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Speaker 8: they're saying, these women do not know they're being recorded.

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Speaker 8: There's this one incident that they explain that a woman

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Speaker 8: So it's going to be pretty difficult. For whatever reason

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Speaker 1: Christina, you stated that one of the videos was taken

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Speaker 8: What yep, So a man and a woman were having sex.

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Speaker 8: It didn't detail if that was forced rape, It didn't

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Speaker 8: detail what that was exactly. But there is a third

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Speaker 8: She tells them to stop, and they don't stop. And

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Speaker 8: that's what prosecutors are saying. They're not listening to these women.

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Speaker 8: They're manipulating their bodies, and they won't stop when the

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Speaker 1: Trophies trophies to Nima Romani, joining US former federal prosecutor,

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Speaker 1: hashtags Nima trophies have been the undoing of so manique

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Speaker 5: Oh, it's great evidence if you're a prosecutor because people

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Speaker 5: and victims can sometimes lie. But video doesn't lie. And

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Speaker 5: when you have video of these sex acts, that is

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Speaker 5: the best evidence when you're a prosecutor, because really there's

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Speaker 5: only two defenses in any sex trafficking case. Either the

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Speaker 5: sexual activity didn't happen or it was consensual. That's it.

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Speaker 5: And once you have that video, it certainly takes away

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Speaker 5: why Diddy was recording his freak offs. But there's the

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Speaker 5: second reason, and that is to have control over the victims,

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Speaker 5: I'm going to leak these.

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Speaker 2: Videos Christina and Wyo.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it true that these videos were pulled off of

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Speaker 8: Yes, in Tall Alexander's Manhattan apartment, so they were really searching.

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Speaker 8: They had the warrant to go through everything, and he

439
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 8: kept them. He kept them on a hard drive. And

440
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Speaker 8: it's not just videos, it's pictures as well. And it

441
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Speaker 8: goes to show that just like he said, men light

442
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 8: women light witnesses lie perhaps, but the video is not

443
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 8: going to lie. And this is pretty tough evidence. However,

444
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Speaker 8: the defense is already saying, this doesn't prove anything. This

445
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 8: doesn't prove a commercial act, This doesn't prove that they

446
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 8: were drugged. It may prove that they're intoxicated, but he's saying, oh,

447
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 8: these are just big orgies. Everybody was willing and there

448
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 8: is nothing going on here. So next story, please.

449
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Speaker 2: You know it reminds me.

450
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Speaker 1: In the last few days, Shawn Comes aka Diddy's defense

451
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Speaker 1: team has stated they want the frea call videos to

452
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Speaker 1: be made public because it quote proves his innocence. Okay, sure,

453
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: you know another thing, If it's so innocent, why was

454
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Speaker 1: it hidden in a closet?

455
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Speaker 2: But thinking about.

456
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Speaker 1: The videos the trophies pulled from a hard drive in

457
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Speaker 1: the real estate bro's closet, it reminds me of a

458
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Speaker 1: certain raid that went down on San Combe's mansion. In

459
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Speaker 1: that case, as well, Bill Daily, former FBI trophies quote

460
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Speaker 1: trophies were.

461
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Speaker 2: Obtained during that raid.

462
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Speaker 1: Bill Daily video equipment was reportedly discovered, along with over

463
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Speaker 1: one thousand bottles of lubricant baby oil.

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Speaker 2: Trophies have been the bane of many criminals existence. Why trophies, well,

465
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Speaker 2: you know.

466
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Speaker 10: And as if you go to other kind of repeat offenders,

467
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Speaker 10: repeat criminals such as Dennis Raider, the mind torture kill fiend,

468
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Speaker 10: you know, they either keep pieces of clothing, they keep

469
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Speaker 10: some something to remind them, something that's going to get

470
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 10: them excited. Somebody's gonna you know, make them remember how

471
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Speaker 10: how wonderful it was that they controlled this person, that

472
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 10: they did what they did and so for all these things,

473
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Speaker 10: it's it's sometimes are.

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Speaker 1: You putting perfume on the pig daily? That's not like

475
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Speaker 1: you the souvenirs, the trophies, quote get them excited.

476
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 2: You may give them an erection.

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Speaker 10: Well, you know that as well as sharing among other people,

478
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Speaker 10: being able to. In some cases they like to share

479
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 10: it because they've they've had this experience with other people.

480
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 10: They keep it, they look at themselves, you know, maybe

481
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,239
Speaker 10: other people. They let them see that. That all kind

482
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 10: of gives them a sense of control. It goes back

483
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Speaker 10: to that essence of controlling individuals, controlling their environment, doing

484
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Speaker 10: what they want to do, using that leverage over people.

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Speaker 1: You know.

486
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Speaker 10: In this case, Nancy, in a very interesting point it

487
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 10: came up, which is simply what we've seen in other cases,

488
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 10: is that as the FBI was investigating, his reports are

489
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 10: coming out that multiple victims have had the same stories. Again,

490
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Speaker 10: people who've been not connected, not there at the same place,

491
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Speaker 10: same time, but have the same story to tell. All

492
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Speaker 10: of that is streaming it. As part of what I

493
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Speaker 10: believe the FBI is and the US the Attorney's Office

494
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Speaker 10: is making their case out of is that they have

495
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Speaker 10: statements and it would encourage people.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm very curious, Bill Daily. I think this

497
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Speaker 1: goes beyond your or my kin colloquial for understanding joining me.

498
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 1: Psychologist Karen Stark. Everything Bill Daily said is correct, But

499
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Speaker 1: what is the reason, the mental or the psychological reason

500
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Speaker 1: that people like Dennis Raider or in this case, the

501
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: real estate bros also called the rape bros.

502
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Speaker 2: But those are just accusations. Why keep all these videos

503
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 2: they're damning.

504
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Speaker 7: It's a wonderful way for them to relive the crime.

505
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 7: Nancy and whatever got them off when they were doing it,

506
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 7: whatever got them excited and gave them erections and orgasms,

507
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 7: They can do that all over again repeatedly because they

508
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 7: have these trophies. It's great if it's a video, but

509
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 7: it can be airing. It could be a necklace, it

510
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 7: could be a piece of clothing. It doesn't matter. They

511
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 7: wind up reliving the excitement that they felt at the

512
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Speaker 7: time and how much they controlled the situation.

513
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 4: For years. The Alexander brothers, sometimes with others, also arranged

514
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 4: domestic and international trips to carry out their sex trafficking scheme.

515
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 4: To recruit and induce women to come on the trips,

516
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 4: they provided material benefits things like travel to vacation destinations,

517
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Speaker 4: luxury accommodations, and access to other high end experiences.

518
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Speaker 2: Are the claims true? Should I believe the real estate Bros?

519
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 2: Or should I believe all.

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Speaker 1: Of the women now coming forward, some of them named

521
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: in federal indictments, others filing civil suits. What's very hard

522
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Speaker 1: for many people to understand, including myself, is how the

523
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: real estate bros. Acted, how they faked a happy home life.

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Speaker 6: Listen, the Alexander brothers are all married now. Alahan married

525
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 6: Shaney Zigrin, with whom he has two children, in May

526
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Speaker 6: of twenty twenty. Or In married model Camilla Hanson in

527
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Speaker 6: April twenty twenty three, and Tall married Ariel CogAT in

528
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Speaker 6: October of twenty twenty three. Or In pleaded with a

529
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Speaker 6: judge to let him out as his wife was pregnant

530
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Speaker 6: and do any day. His request was denied.

531
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Speaker 1: That's something the baby can say as it grows up.

532
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: Dad was in jail on rape charges when I was born.

533
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: This whole facade of a happy family again, it's diddy REDIU.

534
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 2: Listen, be happy.

535
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 3: We love you.

536
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 6: Two of you get hit on the phone.

537
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 2: Time to veterman. Try a lawyer.

538
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Speaker 1: Former felony prosecutor Nima Ramani.

539
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 2: Nima not be the first time a so called.

540
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: Family man was ultimately convicted of repeat offenses. I mean,

541
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: there's Dennis Raider that Bill Dealey brought up earlier, who

542
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: would sex assault.

543
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 2: And kill so many women and including.

544
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: Young girls on his dog catching route the whole time.

545
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: He had a family at home, and he was a

546
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: deacon in the church. Then you've got Gaysey John Wayne Gacy,

547
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: who would go to children's birthday parties to entertain the

548
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: children dressed as a clown. I don't know how many

549
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: boys bodies were pulled out of his crawl space. Then

550
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: you got Ted Bundy, who seemingly was a successful law

551
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Speaker 1: school student.

552
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Speaker 2: He's a serial killer.

553
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: He goes on and on, and do I have to say,

554
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: Rex Huerman, the eight hundred pound gorilla in the room,

555
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: the architect by day, serial killer by night, with a

556
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: wife and two children, and sin.

557
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Speaker 5: His wife actually saw some of these sex acts, at

558
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 5: least allegedly, so this question of what she knew. But

559
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 5: this is criminal defense lawyering one oh one. They want

560
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 5: to show the jurors that the defendant has family support.

561
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 5: That's why you see Ditty's family at every single appearance.

562
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 5: That's why I fully expect the Alexander brothers to have

563
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 5: their parents, the wives who haven't filed divorce to be

564
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 5: at those court proceedings, because that's what jurors expect. They

565
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 5: want to see the family members supporting the folks who

566
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 5: are accused and are on trap.

567
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: And like Didty, the new Ditties have a fantastical scheme

568
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Speaker 1: of how they're going to stay out of MDC Metropolitan

569
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Speaker 1: Detention Center listen.

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Speaker 6: In a crazy bid to keep their boys out of incarceration,

571
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 6: the parents of the Alexander brothers have offered to provide

572
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 6: private imprisonment. In a real proposal to authorities, Shlomo and

573
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 6: Early Alexander proposed confining the brothers to a two bedroom

574
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Speaker 6: apartment on the eighth floor of Miami building, emphasizing the

575
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 6: apartment is non water front and non luxury. They promised

576
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 6: security guards would be stationed around the clock and an

577
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 6: alarm system would make sure the brothers remain on site.

578
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 6: The parents also offered to put up to one billion

579
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Speaker 6: dollars bail for their sons to get out of jail.

580
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 2: In case you.

581
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: Didn't get that, it's one billion, as in brother Biez

582
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: and brother not million billion, the parents offering to put

583
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: up one billion dollars cash to get their sons out

584
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Speaker 1: of jail.

585
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 2: Maybe they were going to put in some equity into.

586
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: That, but one billion dollars baill to get their sons

587
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: out and having them imprisoned in a Miami high rise.

588
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: And the suffering part was that they wouldn't get a

589
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: beach front view ouch.

590
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 2: That has to hurt.

591
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: How dare you, mommy and daddy Christina Wyo. It's reminiscent

592
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: of the last bid, well, the last three bids by

593
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: Sean Combs to get out on bid where he offered

594
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: the judge a multimillion dollar bill package. I think it

595
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: was twenty meal and he would stay in a Manhattan

596
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: town home with his own private security guards to keep

597
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Speaker 1: him from raping people.

598
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 2: Eerie echo, right, And that's the draw, right exactly.

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Speaker 8: I promised not to rape anybody during this time. I

600
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 8: promise that I'm not going to have any orgies. In fact,

601
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 8: I won't even have any women over so that in

602
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 8: and of itself is a huge punishment. This is the

603
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 8: same thing that we're seeing with these brothers, and quite frankly,

604
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 8: I don't know how much the parents can be trusted

605
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 8: in this whole situation because we talk about pretending to

606
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 8: have a perfect family. But I go back to the

607
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,720
Speaker 8: sex bus that was sitting outside of their forty million

608
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 8: dollar home as the brothers were in high school, and

609
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 8: people have said witness testimony, they are saying that back

610
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 8: in those days, that women in the scene in the

611
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 8: Miami scene because for some reason, high school brothers were

612
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 8: in the Miami scene. They were warned to drink any

613
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 8: drinks that came from the brothers and to stay away

614
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 8: from the brothers because they had already been known way

615
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 8: back in high school to be sexually assaulting women.

616
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Speaker 3: New York Prosecutors Hey assaults day back to high school,

617
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Speaker 3: describing the number of victims as quite significant.

618
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Speaker 2: And the numbers are mounting.

619
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Speaker 1: What started with one woman speaking out about an alleged

620
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Speaker 1: sex assault turns into a federal indictment on sex trafficking.

621
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Speaker 2: There are so many, so many victims.

622
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Speaker 1: Will the superseded indictment be superseded to include more victims?

623
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Speaker 2: Listen?

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Speaker 11: The Alexander brothers are accused of using their wealth and

625
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,760
Speaker 11: positions to create and facilitate opportunities to rape and sexually

626
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 11: assault women. So far, more than forty women have come

627
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 11: forward accusing the three Alexander brothers of sexual misconduct, and

628
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 11: investigators are asking other women who believe they have been

629
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Speaker 11: assaulted to call. Attorneys for the brothers say they planned

630
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 11: to plead not guilty to the charges, which, if convicted,

631
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 11: could land all three brothers in prison for life.

632
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: As we are discussing these alleged acts, sex assaults, rape, sodomies,

633
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:17,720
Speaker 1: that's what we're saying, reportedly date all the way back

634
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: to when the Real Estate Bros Were in high school.

635
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 12: Listen as news of the arrests start to spread, stories

636
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 12: from the Alexander brothers high school years come to light.

637
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 12: Their history of sexual violence dates back decades to their

638
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 12: high school days in Miami, where they bragged about several

639
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 12: gang rapes. Prosecutors say each of the victims that the

640
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 12: government has interviewed from this period reported hearing that individuals involved,

641
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 12: including Tal Alexander, talked about the assaults at school, boasting

642
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,280
Speaker 12: about running train on their victims and saying they wanted

643
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Speaker 12: to do it again.

644
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 2: You know, Lynn Shaw.

645
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: As many rape and sodomy cases that I've investigated, I've

646
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: tried have plaid out to jail time have covered.

647
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: It's still it's disgusting.

648
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: It just makes something and you want to die to

649
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: hear about them bragging about quote running train on the victims,

650
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: which means multiple rapists on one victim, saying they quote wanted.

651
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: To do it again.

652
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: It never ceases to be heartbreaking that a victim would

653
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: go through this.

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Speaker 9: Well, we can't die, Nancy. We have to stand for

655
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 9: those that don't have a voice. And I want us

656
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 9: to focus on two things here. I want us to

657
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Speaker 9: focus on, where was mama Alexander. We're talking about a

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Speaker 9: sex bus when these trio of triplets, dirty Diddy triplets

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Speaker 9: were right part right in front of their their multimillion

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Speaker 9: dollar mansion. I'm telling you as a mother, I knew

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Speaker 9: when my kids moved a throw pillow on my couch.

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Speaker 9: Where were the parents at this time and throughout all

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Speaker 9: of this. The second thing I want and we have

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Speaker 9: to talk about that because people have to start standing up.

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Speaker 9: Where were these parents? They were the talk of the

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Speaker 9: town we're hearing, you know, in the Miami, Florida area,

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Speaker 9: so we should focus on that. I also want to

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Speaker 9: focus on you're not going to see their wives in

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Speaker 9: court with them. Those women are taking their kids and

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Speaker 9: running for the hills. One has already filed for divorce. Okay,

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Speaker 9: they're going to turn evidence on them. They're beautiful young women,

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Speaker 9: they have some young children, a newborn baby. They're not

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Speaker 9: sticking around for this. And the third thing I want

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Speaker 9: to get back to we're not talking enough about is

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Speaker 9: that oldest brother with his security firm. There is video evidence.

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Speaker 9: Where are all those videos going? I guarantee, I hope

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Speaker 9: we have a forensic accountant coming along. That they have

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Speaker 9: been uploaded not only to control their victims and to

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Speaker 9: scare them, they have been uploaded to porn sites where

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Speaker 9: these monsters make millions and millions of.

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Speaker 2: Dollars across the globe.

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Speaker 9: And these are things we should be looking at.

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Speaker 1: Karen, start joining me, renowned psychologists joining us out of

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Speaker 1: Manhattan tonight. Karen, I haven't told you this story about

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Speaker 1: the twins. And now I have bought on all their devices.

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Speaker 1: They know I have Bark on all their devices. So

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Speaker 1: I got an alert about my son who scrubbed in Sunshine,

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Speaker 1: an alert from Bark. I'm my uh oh, what happened

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Speaker 1: on Fortnite? I look and it said sex. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: so it shows you what it was. Okay, I get

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Speaker 1: an alert every time something disturbing comes up. For instance,

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Speaker 1: one time it said self harm. It was of him

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Speaker 1: taken a picture of a bruise he got diving through

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Speaker 1: a soccer net to save a goal.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that was self harm. This about sex. Guess what

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Speaker 2: it was, Karen Stark. It was the Nancy Gray Show.

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Speaker 1: It was a banner the program we did about Blake Lively,

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Speaker 1: and it had the word sex harass in it. The

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Speaker 1: Nancy Gray Show popped up on his bark. So my

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Speaker 1: point is, where were the parents?

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at Bark every time I get an alert,

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Speaker 2: and they're never any where. Were the parents? Lynn is right?

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Speaker 7: You know what's so outrageous, Nancy, is that these same

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Speaker 7: parents are saying that they want to give a billion

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Speaker 7: dollars and they'll make sure that these guys have no

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Speaker 7: opportunity to do anything. They won't face the ocean, they

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Speaker 7: will make sure that they can't do any harm. But meanwhile,

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Speaker 7: there was the van parked outside their very own home.

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Speaker 7: And what they didn't know what their voice were doing.

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Speaker 7: They didn't hear any of the rumors, they didn't investigate.

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Speaker 7: It's as though they supported all of this.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Karen Stark, you know what. Of course the parents

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Speaker 1: aren't charged with anything, but I would have been right

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Speaker 1: there at that van.

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Speaker 2: Come out everybody. I mean, no way that said.

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Speaker 1: Let me give everyone the eight hundred line one, eight

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Speaker 1: hundred two two five five three two four repeat eight

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Speaker 1: hundred two two five five three two four.

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Speaker 2: We wait as just as sun falls. Goodbye, friend,