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Speaker 4: A lovely news filled Tuesday and a sports field Tuesday

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Speaker 4: Night as well. Back here on the Herd with Jason

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Speaker 4: McIntyre in for Colin, joined.

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Speaker 3: By Rachel Nichols, we're getting fired up.

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Speaker 4: About USA Venezuela. The first four is what they call it.

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Speaker 4: First is Miami of Ohio tonight. I don't even know

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Speaker 4: if the games are.

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure if my IAMAI is today.

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Speaker 6: By the way, I would like people to stop talking

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Speaker 6: for app without Miami of Ohio. I have no attachment

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Speaker 6: to that team at all. Okay, but if you're the

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Speaker 6: last team to be undefeated, everyone's like, oh, it's easy.

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Speaker 6: If it was easy, everyone would do it. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 6: so no one else did it. Give them their due.

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Speaker 5: Let them have a shot here.

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Speaker 4: They may get smoked, they may get smoked, but it

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Speaker 4: doesn't matter. It still doesn't matter. I'm percent like, if

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Speaker 4: it was easy to go undefeated, we'd have one every year, right,

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Speaker 4: We've had six or seven in the last fifty years

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Speaker 4: something like that.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's that's the bam Adebio thing.

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Speaker 6: Like I get all the reasons, yes, why people weren't

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Speaker 6: happy with the way that happened, but no one else

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Speaker 6: has scored eighty three except for Will.

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Speaker 5: So like, if it was easy, everyone would do it.

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Speaker 4: It could be an internet thing where everybody's a hater

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Speaker 4: of undefeated of Miami Ohio. They haven't played anybody bam

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Speaker 4: and a bio eighty three. Eh. So this next topic,

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Speaker 4: Rachel will dovetail right off that, and that's his quotes

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Speaker 4: from Rich Paul that are coming out right now about

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Speaker 4: uh Lebron. And obviously everybody knows Lebron one of the

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Speaker 4: greatest players in basketball history. I say he's the goat.

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Speaker 4: You might think it's Kobe, you might think it's Jordan. Well,

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Speaker 4: Rich Paul was talking about this narrow it's building that

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Speaker 4: the Lakers are quote better without Lebron. And here's what

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Speaker 4: Lebron's agent, remember that, had to say about it.

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Speaker 7: I've never seen a team in my life that would

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Speaker 7: be better without Lebron James. I think it's more so

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Speaker 7: about figuring it out, and sometimes it takes you longer

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Speaker 7: than not because for a guy that's been on the

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Speaker 7: ball for so long, how do you play him off

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Speaker 7: the ball? You have to understand or factor in his presence.

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Speaker 7: You got to realize something. Most guys that steps on

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Speaker 7: the basketball floor with the Lebron James number one are

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Speaker 7: in all.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's true, they're in all.

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Speaker 4: But at the same time, we need to remember Rich

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Speaker 4: Paul is Lebron's agent. Lebron is becoming a free agent

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Speaker 4: at the end of the season at forty one. He'll

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Speaker 4: be forty one and a half in June. I love Lebron.

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Speaker 4: He's a joy to watch, ultimate competitor. He's not going

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Speaker 4: to have much of a market. Guys, he's just not

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Speaker 4: what the Cleveland Calves are gonna want him for. What

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Speaker 4: a third tour of duty?

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Speaker 3: Does he want to go back to Cleveland.

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Speaker 4: I know his family loves it out here. His other

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Speaker 4: son Bryce is on Arizona. I believe he's redshirting this season.

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Speaker 4: You see him celebrating with us stacked Arizona team.

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Speaker 3: Lebron wants to be.

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Speaker 4: On the West Coast. He wants to stay with the Lakers.

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Speaker 4: That's obvious. And you know, listen, it's gonna be tough

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Speaker 4: for the Lakers to nab it. How do you dump

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Speaker 4: Like what, He's.

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Speaker 3: Just gonna dump him? So you gotta figure it out.

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Speaker 4: But could he go from making you know, fifty mail

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Speaker 4: or whatever his max salary is to the league minimum?

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Speaker 3: Would he do that?

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Speaker 4: Nobody knows the answer to that. Lebron has a lot

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Speaker 4: of pride. I'm sure the Players Association would hate it

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Speaker 4: for a marquee name to go from making a ton

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Speaker 4: to making the minimum. That would be a signal to

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Speaker 4: gonna like that. Does Lebron care?

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Speaker 3: Another thing?

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Speaker 4: Listen, I purposely, for the first two days have avoided

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Speaker 4: talking about Lebron's future because I'm living in the moment.

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Speaker 3: You know, they say, Hey, live in the moment, forget

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Speaker 4: Future, enjoy the now. I'm doing my best.

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Speaker 3: It's hard because with every great win, it's like, suck.

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Speaker 3: Is Lebron gonna be here next year? Can we get Yannis?

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Speaker 3: Like that's what you do in the NBA. You look

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Speaker 4: So I'm trying to enjoy the now. But I'm just

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Speaker 4: telling you this is gonna be I think if this

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Speaker 4: or Yannis will be the biggest storyline the rest of.

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Speaker 3: The NBA season.

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Speaker 4: Webben Yama a close third, because I think he's taken

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Speaker 3: Taken over the league.

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Speaker 4: But how the Lakers build around Luka Doncic and whether

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Speaker 4: All right, let's get let's do some college basketball. Let's

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Speaker 4: bring in my guy Erin Torres Fox Sports Radio. I've

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Speaker 4: known Erin for many years. He loves college basketball as

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Speaker 4: much as I do. He'll be hosting five Sports Radio

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Speaker 4: Thursday and Friday all day. Aaron, You're rare. You want

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Speaker 4: to host on the radio. Well, all the games are happening.

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Speaker 4: I want to just not be working and watch the games.

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Speaker 8: Well as somebody who hosts on a lot of Saturdays

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Speaker 8: and Sundays in August when there isn't much to do.

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Speaker 8: I would rather have wait like it was actually kind

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Speaker 8: of sad. We were on air Saturday night and we

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Speaker 3: So it's a fun time of year, and there's a lot.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you this, there's a lot to talk about.

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Speaker 8: It feels like there's more storylines, more intriguing players than

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Speaker 8: there have been in years past.

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Speaker 4: Well let's start with you making fun of me. Rachel

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Speaker 4: me crazy. So I like camera boozer a lot. He's

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Speaker 4: eighteen and a half years old. Sure, I'm saying at

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Speaker 4: right now where he is as a player. He can't

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Speaker 3: You know the SATs I say, right now, he's ahead

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Speaker 2: NICOLEA.

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Speaker 4: Jokic was when he was a teenager coming to America

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Speaker 4: could you compare them? Well, young Jokic wasn't as skilled

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Speaker 4: I think he's maybe the best player in college basketball.

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Speaker 4: I don't think he's the best upside, but I'm just

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Speaker 4: curious your thoughts on Boozer and Duke as we had

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Speaker 8: Yeah, by the way, let's circle back to the Miami

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Speaker 8: of Ohio at some point because I enjoyed your guys

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Speaker 8: conversation about that, and I agree with both of you.

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Speaker 8: Cambu's are okay, So I haven't seen a ton of

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Speaker 8: Jokic seventeen year old Serbia film to compare and contract

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Speaker 8: but broke Yeah, yea, So no, listen, he is probably

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Speaker 8: the best player in this tournament right now, in this moment.

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Speaker 3: And what I will also say.

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Speaker 8: Is he's got a team that's uniquely built around his

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Speaker 8: just going to be a conversation until they tip off

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Speaker 8: on Thursday, is two of their starters were out for

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Speaker 8: cam Boozer, especially on the defensive end, to have to

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Speaker 8: So Cambus is probably the best player in college about

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Speaker 8: He's gonna be a National Player of the Year and

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Speaker 8: it's deserved. So I think there's other guys with higher

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Speaker 8: thing for Duke is are they going to get those

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Speaker 2: Yeah, are you hearing?

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Speaker 3: I know you're plugged in many teams around the country.

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Speaker 4: Do you think the big guy will be back or

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Speaker 4: like foot soreness is so damn general?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, no, so it seems as though he will be back.

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Speaker 8: I'll be curious playing a sixteen seed on Thursday if

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Speaker 8: believe would be Ohio State and TCU, that would be

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Speaker 8: the interesting thing. I actually think he's more important that

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Speaker 8: But you know cam Boozer too, I would say this,

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Speaker 8: not more important, than Kale Foss. To answer your question directly,

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Speaker 8: be for the opening game against I believe it's Siana.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, yea, all right, let's go to the team

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Speaker 4: I have winning it all. I have Arizona. I really

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Speaker 4: went on a limb this year. I know Arizona thirty

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Speaker 4: a lot. I had Duke last year. They let me down.

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Speaker 4: I think Arizona four first round picks in the starting

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Speaker 4: line up. I mean they're loaded.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 4: The only two losses were back to back. Pete missed

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Speaker 4: one of those games. Do you have Arizona winning in it?

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Speaker 7: Not?

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Speaker 8: Probably have Arizona winning it? You know I haven't. I'm

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Speaker 8: actually you know, I'm one of those guys like I

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Speaker 8: know when the bracket comes out on Sunday, everyson like,

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Speaker 8: what are your picks?

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Speaker 3: Give me your final four?

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Speaker 8: I'm like, can you can you get tell me the

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Speaker 8: duke injury report. Can you tell me the Yukon injury report?

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Speaker 8: Their starting point left the biggiest tournament championship game.

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Speaker 3: So Arizona to.

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Speaker 8: Me, is the best team. They've been the most consistent team.

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Speaker 8: I was in Vegas on opening night. They played against Florida,

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Speaker 8: which was obviously the defending champs, and Florida was a

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Speaker 8: comfortable favorite, and Arizona won that game, and they haven't

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Speaker 8: really slowed down. What I think is interesting about Arizona.

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Speaker 8: What's interesting about college basketball Jmac this year. I think

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Speaker 8: you'll appreciate Rachel as well. Is like we talk about

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Speaker 8: the NCAA Tournament being such a guard driven thing. All

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Speaker 8: actually Arizona that probably has the best backcourt out of

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Speaker 8: all of those teams. And so you mentioned Burry's, you

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Speaker 3: I think they are.

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Speaker 8: He doesn't turn the ball over like it's it's bananas

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Speaker 4: You said Yukon doesn't have a bad path, and you're right,

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Speaker 3: I've covered him for years. But at the Big East.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's the problem. I've reached out to a couple

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Speaker 4: You know nothing yet, But if those guys aren't around,

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Speaker 4: Does he want to jeopardize a being a lottery picking

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Speaker 4: Aggressive is going to beat him. I don't know any

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Speaker 8: He's going You know, he had forty points in the

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Speaker 3: You know average. How about this? He made the All

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Speaker 4: Oh, he would be so I had a hot.

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Speaker 8: Go back and look, he outplayed He actually outplayed Darren Peterson.

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Speaker 3: And I do think that it.

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Speaker 3: Oh I took VCU and no, there you go. I will.

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Speaker 3: He has played a lot.

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Speaker 4: More lately, as you notice, I don't know. I can't

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Speaker 4: tell if they're dangerous or not. Aaron, where do you fall?

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Speaker 4: They got col Baptist. Baptist has a lefty who's really

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Speaker 4: freaking good. This point guard. Kansas will win. I'm not

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Speaker 4: a believer in Saint John. Sorry, can Kansas give Duke

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Speaker 4: a game?

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Speaker 3: Peterson against Boozer?

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Speaker 4: I this Kansas team that win over Arizona was like whoa?

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Speaker 3: But they did it without Darren Peterson though.

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Speaker 4: So now you add Peterson or is Peterson like pull back?

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Speaker 3: That's been weird?

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Speaker 8: Let me say this is that I think, you know,

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Speaker 8: for anybody who has followed anything that I do. And

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Speaker 8: I don't mean to be like, oh, you know, listen

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Speaker 8: to what I say or whatever, but.

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Speaker 3: I was one of the early vocal.

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Speaker 8: Critics of Darren Peterson, and I think it got misrepresented

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Speaker 8: of I want him to play through injuries.

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Speaker 3: Because I love college basketball. That's clearly not it.

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Speaker 8: You know, he could be worth five hundred million, six

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Speaker 8: hundred seven undred eight hundred million dollars before the end

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Speaker 8: of his career.

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Speaker 3: If he's not healthy, he shouldn't play.

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Speaker 8: Where I think the frustration came out for a lot

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Speaker 8: of people was that every day the story was different.

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Speaker 8: One day, it's a hamstring, then it's cramps, then he's

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Speaker 8: playing full games, then he's pulling himself out, and you

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Speaker 8: just could never get the definitive answer. But I think

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Speaker 8: what's interesting is is that since you know whether whether

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Speaker 8: he's playing because he's healthier, because he was kind of

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Speaker 8: under fire under a microscope or whatever, I think you

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Speaker 8: brought up the point I don't think they have played

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Speaker 8: as well with him in the lineup, trying to figure

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Speaker 8: out how to reintegrate him into everything they're doing. You know,

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Speaker 8: you and I will will you know one of us

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Speaker 8: is gonna win a stake dinner because don't think they're beating.

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Speaker 3: Saint John's in the round of thirty two. I really wow.

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Speaker 4: Okay, any coaches here under the most pressure? I mean,

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Speaker 4: like Arizona's Tommy Lloyd's not under pressure.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I would disagree.

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Speaker 8: I think he's under the most pressure Tommy. They haven't

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Speaker 8: Arizona has not made a Final four since two thousand

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Speaker 8: and one. And if you don't do it this year

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Speaker 8: out of the West, the bracket that they got. Now, listen,

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Speaker 8: if a cuff goes for fifty and he has a

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Speaker 8: Kemba moment or a Walter Clayton moment. That's one thing.

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Speaker 8: I don't think the pressure is actually on Tommy to

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Speaker 8: get to win a national championship. I think it's if

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Speaker 8: you can't get to a Final four after this regular

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Speaker 8: season out of the West. As vocal, that's a you know,

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Speaker 8: relative base is passionate, but it's not like a you know,

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Speaker 8: an Ohio State football fan base or now Alabama football

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Speaker 8: fan base. But if they can't get to a final four,

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Speaker 8: I think he's got the most people say Shire, it's

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Speaker 8: like you know, Shires in his fourth year, like Shire

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Speaker 8: has elevated the program since coach k took over.

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Speaker 3: Like that's an indisputable fact. If you look at the.

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Speaker 4: Number flag last year, they choked down the stretch. But

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Speaker 4: let me go back to lowd. I need to take

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Speaker 4: that back. I forgot about some of these bad losses.

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Speaker 4: He's said that Princeton lost cost me a lot of money.

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Speaker 4: We don't need to talk about that. The lost to

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Speaker 4: Houston not that bad.

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Speaker 8: No, no, no, no, yeah, yes, two years ago he lost Clemson.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was at staple of Crypto dot Com arena.

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Speaker 3: I was there. Good, you're good.

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Speaker 4: Tommy Lloyd has some pressure. They're not losing in the

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Speaker 4: second round year.

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Speaker 8: No, I think listen, and I think Arkansas is uniquely

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Speaker 8: not a good like I think Arizona's a bad matchup

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Speaker 8: for Arkansas.

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Speaker 3: Is Arkansas getting by Wisconsin. It's a fair You know

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Speaker 3: what's actually really funny? I forgot this.

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Speaker 8: There's some Arizona Wisconsin in tournament history from likemind me

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Speaker 8: back to back elite eights, Arizona fans, cover your ears.

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Speaker 8: Back to back elite eights. Uh, Wisconsin beat Arizona to

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Speaker 8: go to the final four. Twenty fourteen twenty fifteen, and

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Speaker 8: so he yeah, yeah, So when the bracket came out,

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Speaker 8: I'm thinking Arizona fans are going to be upset. They

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Speaker 8: got to face Darius a Cup potentially in the sweet sixteen,

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Speaker 8: and they're like, I don't what Wisconsin. I'm like, listen,

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Speaker 8: Wisconsin's really good. If you can't be Wisconsin, that's a

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Speaker 8: you problem. I can't be worrying about twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 3: Although yeah, no, dude.

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Speaker 4: Those were so I'm a weirdo who remembers the hid

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Speaker 4: losses would in the wins.

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Speaker 8: You can't remember your bad bets or you're you're and

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Speaker 8: I had that Arizona in both those games against Wisconsin.

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Speaker 4: Well, I was devastating losses.

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Speaker 8: The first one I was at it was funny. Aaron

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Speaker 8: Gordon was on Arizona. I was like watching the Nuggets.

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Speaker 8: Certainy he plays for the Nuggets, doll, I think the

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Speaker 8: other night.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, yeah, I remember when. So

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Speaker 3: that game was crazy.

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Speaker 8: It was an overtime game and I'm pretty sure no

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Speaker 8: one had more than a one point lead for like

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Speaker 8: the final twelve minutes or something like that.

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Speaker 4: Look it up on YouTube. That game was finansing Arizona

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Speaker 4: was alright, we got to go back to Miami of Ohio. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: something rachel Or I said triggered.

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Speaker 3: No, I want to give rachel credit. I think she

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Speaker 3: nailed it.

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Speaker 8: This kind of like because you know, listen, you can't

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Speaker 8: listen to dummies on social media, and not everyone on

543
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Speaker 8: social media is dumby, not you, nobody, nobody on set here,

544
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Speaker 8: but this I did see some they shouldn't be in

545
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Speaker 8: because now teams are gonna schedule to go undefeated. I'm like,

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Speaker 8: I gotta be careful what words I use here? What

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Speaker 8: descriptive words? I don't want to, you know, get an

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Speaker 8: SCC violation. You know how dumb you have to be

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Speaker 8: to think that you can schedule your way to a

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Speaker 8: thirty one and oh regular season.

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Speaker 3: You know how hard it is. You know how many.

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Speaker 8: Ankle twists you know, and especially at that level jam

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Speaker 8: you know, like you're you're taking buses places, you know,

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Speaker 8: you're taking two layover flights to go and it's like

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Speaker 8: this idea that you know, and you brought up the

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Speaker 8: great point. I don't have the number of if it's

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Speaker 8: five teams, sixty's, it's like seventeen six teams something like that.

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Speaker 8: Have ever entered the tournament since you know, the bracket

559
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Speaker 8: expanded undefeated. This notion that we're just gonna have nine

560
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Speaker 8: undefeated teams next year because they let Miami in.

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Speaker 3: It's one of the dumbest things that I've ever heard.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it's criminally stupid. All Right, we'll wrap up with this.

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Speaker 4: So an amazing story popped yacht sell Ye, who went

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Speaker 4: from UAB. The NBA wanted him. He said, no, I'm

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Speaker 4: gonna go to Michigan, can, he says. The player says

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Speaker 4: Kentucky offered him seven to nine million dollars. Other reports

567
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Speaker 4: say he settled on Michigan for five mili. He wanted

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Speaker 4: to play for Dusty May. Okay, let's just big picture

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Speaker 4: take it away.

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Speaker 3: So I saw that story yesterday. I was running around.

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Speaker 8: Let me say this, So yax was a really interesting

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Speaker 8: guy because I think, you know, I saw Dusty May

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Speaker 8: was on the show with you guys.

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Speaker 3: He was awesome. Yaxel didn't start playing.

575
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Speaker 8: Basketball to he was like eighteen nineteen something like that,

576
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Speaker 8: goes to Juco UAB, and so he doesn't have like

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Speaker 8: that media training of the dude that and so he

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Speaker 8: kind of like even if you listen to him in

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Speaker 8: a postgame interview, he kind of just says, like, whatever's

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Speaker 8: on his mind at that moment.

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Speaker 3: Love that, and I love it. I agree with you

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Speaker 3: one hundred percent.

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Speaker 8: I don't know that I believe seven tonight, but I

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Speaker 8: don't think that he would like intentionally lie about it.

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Speaker 8: To me, it was more like Kentucky probably was in

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Speaker 8: the weeds on the recruitment and they were like, name

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Speaker 8: your price, we'll do whatever it takes, and he's like,

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Speaker 8: you know, I want to go to Michigan.

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Speaker 3: That's where I want to go.

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Speaker 8: You know, And I know you know this about college

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Speaker 8: sports right now, j Mac.

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Speaker 3: But like he was the prize of.

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Speaker 8: The portal last year, and there were teams that were

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Speaker 8: lining up. You know, I don't want to say anyone

595
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Speaker 8: was tampering, and I'm certainly let the record show I'm

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Speaker 8: not saying Michigan was, but let's just say there were

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Speaker 8: teams that were trying to figure out would he go

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Speaker 8: in the portal and what would the price point be

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Speaker 8: four months before he actually entered the portal.

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Speaker 3: Not saying anything to anything illegal.

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Speaker 8: You're allowed to talk to agents, whatever, and so it

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Speaker 8: does not surprise me that if you've had your eyes

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Speaker 8: set on him for months and you see him going

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Speaker 8: another direction that you just throw out one of those

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Speaker 8: whatever it takes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you mean? Yeah?

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Speaker 8: But was there was there was there a publisher's clearing

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Speaker 8: house check with nine million dollars on the desk.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that there probably was that.

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Speaker 4: Listen, that's We're gonna talk more about that story later.

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Speaker 4: I would largely agree with your take. Maybe that's exaggerated,

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Speaker 4: but he was the bill of the ball and it's

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Speaker 4: worked out Michigan's Yeah. I think we just showed the

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Speaker 4: odds on the screen. I think the second best odds

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Speaker 4: to win the tournament. They were number one much of

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Speaker 4: the season.

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Speaker 3: It was worth it.

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Speaker 4: And Iol works eron Torres Fox Sports Radio. Catch him

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Speaker 4: covering the tournament Thursday and Friday. I mean all the time,

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Speaker 4: he's all over college hoops. He'll he'll do a early

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Speaker 4: top twenty five the day.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I do the way to that stuff, dude. I eat

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Speaker 4: it up erin Torres. Thanks a lot, Buddy man, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 4: Coming up next, Rachel Nichols with Herd Line News. That's

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Speaker 4: next year on the Herd.

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Speaker 2: One More Heard the Herd Streams twenty four hours a day,

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Speaker 2: her to listen live or on demand whenever you like.

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Speaker 4: Hey, this is Jason McIntyre. Join me every weekday morning

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Speaker 4: on my podcast, Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. This isn't

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Speaker 4: your typical sports pod pushing the same tired narratives down

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Speaker 4: your throat every day. Straight Fire gives you honest opinions

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Speaker 4: on all the biggest sports headlines, accurate stats to help

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Speaker 3: And all the best guests.

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Speaker 4: Do yourself a favor and listen to Straight Fire with

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Speaker 4: Jason McIntyre on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever

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Speaker 4: you get your podcasts. Back here on the Herd, great

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Speaker 4: stuff from Aaron Torres on the NCAA tournament. I'm sure

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Speaker 4: you guys realized I love that damn thing and I

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Speaker 4: could just nerd out for three hours on the tournament.

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Speaker 4: But we got a lot of other good stuff. So

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Speaker 4: let's go to Rachel Nichols with the news.

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Speaker 2: Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News.

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Speaker 5: Jason.

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Speaker 6: We all saw that game over the weekend, Lebron diving

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Speaker 6: on the floor going for the loose ball. Well, now,

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Speaker 6: he is showing off on Instagram his knee what.

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Speaker 5: It looked like the day after.

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Speaker 6: You can see it, and here's a dive, right and

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Speaker 6: then look and he says, might be it for diving

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Speaker 6: for the year out?

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Speaker 5: Lol. I mean he's.

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Speaker 6: Joking, right, But the irony of this is that him

657
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 6: diving on the floor, going for loose balls, doing those

658
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 6: little things is a big.

659
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 5: Part of what the Lakers want from him right now.

660
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 6: This guy is now behind not just Luka Dancic, but

661
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 6: Austin Reeves in the pecking order. Austin Reeves, who was undrafted.

662
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 5: He looks I love, I'm not. I think Austin is

663
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 5: one of the.

664
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 6: Most fun guys in the NBA, have a great relationship

665
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 6: with them since he got to LA Like. He's great

666
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 6: and what he's done on the court is just phenomenal

667
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 6: this season, and the fit with Lucas terrific. I'm not

668
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 6: saying he shouldn't be behind Austin Reeves. I'm saying that

669
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 6: I'm not sure Lebron James ever imagined that at any

670
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 6: time in his career he'd be behind in the picking

671
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 6: order a guy who was not drafted, who took his

672
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 6: team to Round two, of the NCAA Tournament.

673
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 5: I mean, it's just a different thing for him. I

674
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 5: don't know.

675
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 6: I think the question this summer is going to be

676
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 6: more about role than money. I mean, where do you

677
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 6: think is Lebron gonna be in for a whole season

678
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 6: of skin knees?

679
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 4: Probably not, but what if that's what they need him

680
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 4: to do?

681
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 5: I'm asking it is gonna be what they need him

682
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 5: to do.

683
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 4: So, I mean, I guess my thought would be, what's

684
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 4: the alternative, Like, let's talk through this. I'm the Lakers,

685
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 4: you're Lebron or do you want to be which one?

686
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 3: Just wait?

687
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 4: Okay, so Lebron, we saw the numbers are better when

688
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 4: you're used to just down offensively.

689
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 3: This is my best JJ Reddick, your.

690
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 4: Instrumental passing, IQ, defense, hustle. We would need a little

691
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 4: more of that and less shooting. And oh, by the way,

692
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 4: if we get Yiannis, we're gonna need even less shooting.

693
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 3: Are you cool with that?

694
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 5: Yeah?

695
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 6: I mean so from Lebron side. Right, the money people

696
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 6: keep talking about the money. The money is just kind

697
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 6: of a non starter. If he wants a lot of money,

698
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 6: We're not even having this conversation back and forth, right,

699
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 6: if he's not going to take a significant pay cut,

700
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 6: the conversation will last twenty seconds because they got to

701
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 6: pay Austin Reaves a huge amount. That got to start

702
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 6: building more specifically around Luca. So the money part that

703
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 6: people keep talking about, will he take this pay cut?

704
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 6: This conversation back and forth between us would be again

705
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 6: thirty second conversation if he doesn't do that. That's why

706
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 6: to me, the role question, and that's why Rich Paul

707
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 6: is on TV stumping for no team isn't better without

708
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 6: Lebron James.

709
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 5: And then you've got to compare right Cleveland. You said,

710
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:41,719
Speaker 5: does Cleveland really want him?

711
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 6: Cleveland really wants him Jason, Well, yeah, look Donovan Mitchell

712
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 6: really wants it. Well no, but it's interesting, So Cleveland

713
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 6: really wants Donovan Mitchell to stay. Donovan Mitchell is entering

714
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 6: a year worth, I'll have to decide about extensions, like

715
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 6: Donovan wants Lebron, and the Cavs are happy to host

716
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 6: and make money from the on farewell tour. So if

717
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 6: you're Lebron, if I'm speaking for Lebron here, what I

718
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 6: really want to know from the Lakers is what do.

719
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 5: You see my role being?

720
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 6: Okay, and because I know again with Cleveland, it's still

721
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 6: going to be a major role.

722
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 5: And that's really the issue, is that.

723
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 6: Lebron hasn't turned into a bad basketball player all of

724
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 6: a sudden.

725
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 5: It's fit.

726
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, Lebron James has never had to worry about fit.

727
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 6: He is a fit right in his entire career, teams

728
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 6: are built around him.

729
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 5: But now that he's this age, it is about fit.

730
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 5: And he doesn't fit with the.

731
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 6: Lakers with Luca and Austin because they be too repetitive.

732
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 4: But he fits but in a different roa.

733
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 6: Not in a champion I don't think he fits in

734
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 6: a championship way. Oh look, you and I were talking

735
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 6: about this earlier, like at the beginning of the week,

736
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 6: Like if you are in a tight playoff game, game

737
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 6: six against the Spurs, yes, Luca, Austin and Lebron have

738
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 6: been playing better defensively in the stretch. Is that the

739
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 6: trio you are putting out in the final five minutes

740
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 6: or does one of those guys have to sit?

741
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 3: Well?

742
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 4: I trust inherently Lebron over Ruie DeAndrea A and Jake Laavia, Right,

743
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 4: I think the question another addendum is that do you want.

744
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 3: Me to come off the bench.

745
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 5: Well that's what I'm talking about.

746
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 3: Okay.

747
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 4: So Chris Boy, Carmelo Anthony did not like he was like,

748
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 4: there's a press conference out there. That's embarrassing.

749
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 3: He's like, they want me to come off the bench.

750
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 3: He's like laughing, No, we really do.

751
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 4: Chris Paul didn't seem to fit well as off the

752
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 4: bench guy.

753
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 3: I mean, you know these are superstars, right.

754
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,239
Speaker 4: Dwayne Wade kind of sort of did and figured it out.

755
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 3: He was a little more amenable.

756
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 4: I don't know what's gonna Lebron's gonna be going through.

757
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 5: Like, and with Cleveland he wouldn't.

758
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 6: That wouldn't even be a question because they have the

759
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 6: defensive players that Lebron would fit in with that team.

760
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 4: Je right.

761
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 6: So so the fact that he's going to be forty

762
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 6: two next season and you know, doesn't move the way

763
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 6: he did and all this stuff, it won't matter as much.

764
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 6: With the Lakers. It really matters. And again, this has

765
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 6: never even been a question with Lebron before. Fit Lebron

766
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 6: every Lebron to Rich's point, Lebron fits everywhere.

767
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 5: But at this age, Lebron has finally kind of gotten.

768
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 6: Into the middle eighty percent of the league where fit

769
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 6: is really important.

770
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 4: Do you think he would trust JJ Reddick to figure

771
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 4: out the fit. Hey, you could tell me this and

772
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 4: give me lip service in the summer just to keep me.

773
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 3: But I don't know.

774
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 4: If it's actually going to happen during the season, then

775
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be unhappy.

776
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 3: It's going to be ugly.

777
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 5: I don't think they're going to give him lip service

778
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 5: in the summer.

779
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 3: I mean it will be honest, I don't.

780
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know how much it'll be JJ

781
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 6: versus the front office.

782
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 5: But I don't I think they would. They want to.

783
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 6: Be The intention is to be extremely clear that if

784
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 6: you came back, it would be under these conditions, and

785
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 6: we don't want a problem later, and that Lebron is

786
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 6: such a big presence in every locker room he's in

787
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 6: that if he's unhappy, that'll be a big deal. So

788
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 6: the conversation obviously again money. If they can't agree that

789
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 6: he's going to take such a significant pay cut, then.

790
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 5: Not even having this conversation.

791
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 6: But then I think my guess is they will be

792
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 6: extremely specific about role.

793
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 4: Because they know that in the summer, but they don't want.

794
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 6: Him back if he's not going to be able to

795
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 6: fit the role that they need.

796
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 5: They'd rather move on without him.

797
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 3: So does winning?

798
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 4: Is that the deodorant that masks the potential? Said, Hey,

799
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 4: we're twenty and four, we got Giannis, we read Luca.

800
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 3: You who cares if you're not thrilled with the fit.

801
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 4: I don't think we're going to a championship.

802
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 6: I don't think they can get Giannis financially if they

803
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,479
Speaker 6: keep Lebron, even for any price.

804
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 5: But who I'm in that's I'm not a capologist, but.

805
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 6: I think that winning this postseason may have an impact

806
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 6: on Lebron's willingness to take a lesser role.

807
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 5: So being around, well, no, not winning a round or two.

808
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,720
Speaker 6: I think if they got to the Western Conference championships. Oh, certainly,

809
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 6: if they got to the finals, but they could if

810
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 6: they stay at number three, they're avoiding some of the

811
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 6: you know, a big team, it's not as big a deal, right, So,

812
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 6: although I think this BIRS could beat them, But look,

813
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 6: if they reached some great height this postseason, which would

814
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 6: be better than expected, maybe he.

815
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 5: Feels like, Okay, I can do this. This is cool.

816
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 6: But that's where winning, to me would take into account.

817
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 5: I just think the role thing is the biggest question.

818
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 6: What are the Lakers going to tell him about what

819
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 6: his role would be and is that going to be

820
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 6: good enough for him?

821
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 5: And again this is not.

822
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 6: About his skill level because at forty one he is

823
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 6: killing it. Still he's killing it for a thirty one

824
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,720
Speaker 6: year old, but he is no longer.

825
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 5: Just so I'm the.

826
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 6: Presently good that he is the fit. It is now

827
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 6: about fit and he does not quite fit with these

828
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 6: guys the way he would and say it cold.

829
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 4: What if the Lakers sohold him, you can win a

830
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 4: sixth Man of the Year award two to add to

831
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 4: your legs.

832
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 6: Right, So I don't know, We'll see what he wants

833
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,959
Speaker 6: to do. But I think you know that Instagram post

834
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 6: was funny to me because I was like, I was like,

835
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 6: my friend, you will be there will be skin knees

836
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 6: in your future.

837
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Speaker 3: Many We're just have.

838
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 5: A great conversation with Aaron.

839
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 6: We want to talk a little bit about Duke number

840
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 6: one overall seed despite two starters having injuries, John Shires

841
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,479
Speaker 6: had an Elite eight run and a final four run,

842
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 6: but he has yet to win a national championship Duke.

843
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 5: Of course, as a rough draw on this tournament, we

844
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 5: know they could face.

845
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 6: Ukon Michigan State before they even get the final four,

846
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 6: Kansas in their bracket. What do you think, Jason, how

847
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 6: big a disappointment would a duke flop be? And by

848
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 6: the way, since most people have picked them to get

849
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 6: to the final four, let's just say that not getting

850
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 6: to the final four, how much of a disappointment would

851
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 6: that be?

852
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 3: Come on?

853
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 4: Probably the biggest duke disappointment since Zion didn't get to

854
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 4: the final four, the Michigan State loss. I mean, Jason Tatum,

855
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure they lost opening weekend to South Carolina

856
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 4: the second round game. You got to get there with Boozer,

857
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 4: but the injuries matter. What's interesting is Boozer's younger or

858
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 4: younger twin brother.

859
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, Kaden the guard.

860
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 3: He's been pretty awesome in the a SEC tournament, so

861
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 3: if he could keep that up.

862
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 4: Actually, I don't think they're twins, but he's the guard

863
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 4: who's just a big.

864
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 5: I think they are twins.

865
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 3: Are they twins?

866
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 6: Think so?

867
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 4: Either way, Like, if they can get to the second

868
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 4: weekend and maybe get the big guy back, I don't

869
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 4: see why they can't get back to the final four.

870
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 4: It would be a disappointment. If they didn't get to

871
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:14,439
Speaker 4: the final four.

872
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 6: Du you know, yeah, I mean, look, I think coaches

873
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 6: are under too much pressure as it is these days.

874
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 5: Like Ryan Day at Ohio.

875
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 6: Stay, if you don't win the national championship, you're out

876
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 6: of here because you've Boston Michigan.

877
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 5: I mean, but really, And.

878
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 6: The coach is always the first to go in professional sports,

879
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 6: right because they have an investment in the players.

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Speaker 5: Now at the college level.

881
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Speaker 6: Because they have financial investments in the players. You know,

882
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Speaker 6: Aaron told us, oh, John Shire is not under pressure.

883
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Speaker 6: I think it's going to be under pressure if they

884
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Speaker 6: lose before the final four. And I don't know when

885
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 6: people say fire the coach, I don't know what your

886
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 6: reaction is. Mine is always well, who are you going

887
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 6: to get because I got to know if it's better

888
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 6: than what we have, what do you Sometimes are you

889
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 6: just like I don't care, I get this guy out

890
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Speaker 6: of here.

891
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I'm with you. I need to know

892
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 4: what the game? You think you need a plan? Can

893
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 4: I just fire coaches? Dumb quarterbacks? What's the game going?

894
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: You mean like you're in New York knickt when they

896
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 6: fired time Tip. I like Mike Brown, I mean I

897
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Speaker 6: like my breakdown too, but he was not their plan.

898
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Speaker 4: No, I think they were swinging a little higher than.

899
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Speaker 5: Speaking of the NBA.

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Speaker 6: In a rare sit down interview, Nikola Jokic said he

901
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 6: doesn't understand why older NBA players seem to disrespect the

902
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 6: current players. I know this is one of your things, Jason.

903
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,479
Speaker 6: In an interview translated from Serbian, Jokic made this point.

904
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Speaker 6: I thought this quote was really good. He said, it

905
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 6: would be stupid if basketball weren't better now than thirty

906
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,919
Speaker 6: years ago. It's like saying phones were better thirty years

907
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 6: ago and they weren't because of technology modernization. Everything modernizes.

908
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 6: Basketball modernizes too. You I got to think you like this.

909
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,439
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I love the joker even more now.

910
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 3: Yeah.

911
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 4: I mean we've been beating this drum forever. Yeah, I mean, listen,

912
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 4: I don't have the power to talk to certain people

913
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 4: who want to bash the current players all the time.

914
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 4: Uh listen. It's an this idea that like basketball in

915
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 4: the nineties was better.

916
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Speaker 3: Which you covered those I did. You go try to

917
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 3: watch one of those games on YouTube.

918
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Speaker 5: It's so boring, are you kidding?

919
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 6: I was live at the Piston San Antonio Spurst Series

920
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 6: when the final scores were in the finals in the eighties.

921
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,720
Speaker 4: Eighties seventy four, you got to like think change the league.

922
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:20,439
Speaker 3: It was so bad.

923
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Speaker 4: Like I don't know, I'm two thousand percent with Jokic

924
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 4: on this one.

925
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Speaker 3: It's disappointing.

926
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Speaker 4: And I I mean, I don't I haven't talked Adam Silver,

927
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 4: but people who do know that he's not thrilled with

928
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 4: the concert disrespect of the Fort Kur current players.

929
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Speaker 6: Yes, and by the way, I love nineties basketball because

930
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 6: you know, it's like it's like the it's like you

931
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 6: know the song that you grew up in high school,

932
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 6: and those are the songs you still love best.

933
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 5: But I what he's saying is exactly right.

934
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 6: Things improve, and that is why, frankly, I have never

935
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Speaker 6: engaged in the Jordan versus Lebron debate.

936
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Speaker 5: I don't think it's comparable.

937
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Speaker 6: They played in different leagues with different rules at different times. Yeah,

938
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Speaker 6: and just to not understand that and the game advances

939
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 6: and the game changes is just I don't know if

940
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 6: it's a fan thing or a talk radio thing or

941
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Speaker 6: an internet.

942
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Speaker 5: Thing or whatever.

943
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 4: Engagement farming, including to JJ.

944
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Speaker 6: Redding, Yes, exactly, but I think Yokich.

945
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Speaker 5: Is absolutely right.

946
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Speaker 6: And to have to turn on the TV and look,

947
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 6: there's a million people now giving opinions. Right, It's not

948
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Speaker 6: just the guy on the pregame show or the postgame show.

949
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Speaker 6: It's the guy you know on the internet channel, on

950
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 6: the YouTube channel and the podcast and whatever. But to

951
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 6: have to like live in the world with all of

952
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 6: that as an NBA player, to know how elite you

953
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 6: are and that frankly you could be better than some

954
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Speaker 6: of these.

955
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Speaker 5: Guys, I think that must be frustrating.

956
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Speaker 4: All right, Rachel with the news.

957
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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The

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Speaker 2: Herd Line News all right.

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Speaker 4: Coming up next, there's a new mock draft out, a

960
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 4: big one and it is a little crazy.

961
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Speaker 3: That's next on the Herd.

962
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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

963
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Speaker 2: and noon easternn am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS

964
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 2: one and the iHeartRadio app Back.

965
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Speaker 3: Here on the Herd. Great great stuff so far.

966
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Speaker 4: We got Rachel's final four picks coming up next hour.

967
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Speaker 4: We have a guest, Mark Medina stopping by to talk

968
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Speaker 4: to NBA. But a couple NBA mock drafts are popping

969
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Speaker 4: and we're gonna put one on the screen right now.

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Speaker 3: That just dropped this morning. Folks. You guys have seen

971
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Speaker 3: mean girls, right.

972
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Speaker 4: The girl keeps trying to make fetch happen, and ultimately

973
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 4: stop trying to make fetch happen. Stop trying to get

974
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Speaker 4: the jets Ty Simpson at sixteen, please, I respect Ty Simpson.

975
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Speaker 4: I liked him during the season. You guys don't remember this.

976
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Speaker 4: I was talking up Ty Simpson, like, dude, he's having

977
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Speaker 4: a great season.

978
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Speaker 3: I like him a lot.

979
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Speaker 4: Down the stretch, he struggled. He only was a one

980
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Speaker 4: year starter. We saw that with Zach Wilson. Guys, I'm

981
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Speaker 4: not trying to.

982
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Speaker 3: Do that again.

983
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I fell victim to Zach.

984
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Speaker 3: Wilson, the Mormon Mahomes. Remember that. I was calling him

985
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 3: that on the show.

986
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Speaker 4: It sounded cool. You guys laughed, and then he flopped.

987
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 4: I'm not saying Ty Simpson's good flop.

988
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Speaker 3: We don't need him.

989
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 4: We got Gino Smith.

990
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 3: We got a quarterback coming in twenty seven. I build

991
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 3: the roster the.

992
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 4: Way the Seattle Seahawks have done, the way the Denver

993
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 4: Broncos have done, and then plug in the quarterback and

994
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 4: let's talk. So I'm sure Ty Simpson is a really

995
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 4: talented quarterback. Maybe he's gonna do great things if Arizona

996
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 4: wants him. Who just traded in the back of the

997
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 4: first round, Miami Dolphins, Did you want to take him

998
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 4: with a thirtieth pick?

999
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Speaker 3: He's all yours.

1000
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Speaker 4: I don't think it makes any sense to have ty

1001
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 4: Simpson going sixteenth.

1002
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 3: Overall, the Jets have needs all over the place. They

1003
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Speaker 3: were one of the worst teams in the league last year.

1004
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,720
Speaker 4: Stop trying to make Tye Simpson to the Jets happen.

1005
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 4: I'm sure he's a nice guy. I root it for

1006
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 4: him in Alabama. Guys, enough please, no Moss.