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Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental wealth podcast.

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Speaker 1: Build you from the inside out. Now here's Jay Glacier.

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Speaker 1: Welcome into Unbreakable, a mental Wealth podcast with Jay Glazer.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jay Glazer, and this podcast is great because I

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Speaker 1: get to bring on people up know him for forever

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Speaker 1: for a long time, and dive into certain things that

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Speaker 1: we've had really deep conversations about, but then share them

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Speaker 1: with the world to lift everybody else up. This person

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Speaker 1: he's a leader of men. He's learned a lot from me.

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Speaker 1: I've learned a lot from him, and we continue to

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Speaker 1: learn a lot from each other. We were teammates about

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Speaker 1: two years ago for Fox, but you probably know him

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Speaker 1: better as the head coach of the Denver Broncos one

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Speaker 1: and only Sean Payton.

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Speaker 2: How you doing, man, Jay, I'm doing well. I gotta

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Speaker 2: be honest with you.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate the warm welcome obviously you and I consider

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Speaker 3: you as close a friend as I have in this industry.

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Speaker 3: But I'm looking over your right hand shoulder and I'm thinking,

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Speaker 3: do you actually have a game ball for everyone that

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Speaker 3: you have on this podcast?

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Speaker 1: No, I just have one from the more on to

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Speaker 1: actually go. Hey, here's my first game ball. That's for

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Speaker 1: people who are just listening audio wise. Over my right

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Speaker 1: shoulder is a game ball presented to Sean Payton. It

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Speaker 1: says New York Giants forty one, New York Jets twenty

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Speaker 1: eight and the date is September fifth, nineteen ninety nine,

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Speaker 1: Giant Stadium. I believe that was the first game ball

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Speaker 1: you ever got. Yeah, so you gave it to me

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Speaker 1: for a pretty funny, fucked up reason.

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Speaker 3: Well, so real quickly, here here's the cool thing about

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Speaker 3: game balls.

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Speaker 2: It's not when you get them.

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Speaker 3: Really, it's like when time goes by and then like

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Speaker 3: here we are looking at one and then really, what's

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Speaker 3: in that game ball is a story, a couple stories,

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Speaker 3: and it brings back memories, that's all. So the date's important,

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Speaker 3: the score is important. And this is my first year

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Speaker 3: at the New York Giants. I'm the quarterback coach that year.

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Speaker 3: And in this game, coach Fossil, the late Jim Fossil,

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Speaker 3: had a death in his family that didn't allow him

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Speaker 3: to be there for that week at practice, and so

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Speaker 3: I think his father passed and Jim Jim was was

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Speaker 3: gone for his father's funeral, and he's like, hey, I

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Speaker 3: want you to call the game this week and it's

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Speaker 3: a regular season game.

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Speaker 2: Now. The timing was a.

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Speaker 3: Little tough because it was Belichick is the defensive coordinator

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Speaker 3: and Parcels as the head coach. Like there's other first

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Speaker 3: times you want it. This is the first time I've

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Speaker 3: ever going to call a game in my life.

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Speaker 1: Yep. And I'm like, uh, and no one had no

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Speaker 1: one had known it, So that's the key.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, And I.

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Speaker 1: Was I was at CBS at the time when breaking

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Speaker 1: and on Sunday morning came out with it that I've learned.

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton, the quarterback coach, will be calling the game

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Speaker 1: today instead of Jim Fossil. And anytime you break a

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Speaker 1: story in New York, people go crazy. We just look

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Speaker 1: at like when I had the Odell Beckham a few

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Speaker 1: years ago, and people just went nuts or wag Martinell

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Speaker 1: after they's go crazy. But I've been around that team

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Speaker 1: since ninety three and you presented it and I think

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Speaker 1: it is signed on the other side. Yeah, And what

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Speaker 1: you wrote was, Jay, every squirrel eventually finds a nut.

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Speaker 1: As a good job, you finally got a story.

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Speaker 3: Well, you and I at that very moment in time

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Speaker 3: were probably in similar positions career wise, same industry, different areas.

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Speaker 3: But the point is we're both young and trying to

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Speaker 3: Jets Giants play in the regular season every four years,

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Speaker 3: you know, in other words, AFC NFC based on the

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Speaker 3: schedule that that could change now, I guess with the

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Speaker 3: seventeenth game. But the point is they play a lot

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Speaker 3: in the preseason, but this was a regular season game.

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Speaker 3: Know what this time was the head coach, and coach

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Speaker 3: and it was one of those games where everything went right.

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Speaker 3: And I say that humbly. I mean, I can recall

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Speaker 3: old saying when you do something. The one thing about

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Speaker 3: Sells a lot, and that city is one of the

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Speaker 3: glad I had that type of result because you know,

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Speaker 1: Could have been serving me burgers in and out, which

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Speaker 1: a The first time I had in an alberger was

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Speaker 1: I was still in New Yorker back then. So no,

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Speaker 1: that's how I know what that was. And you opened

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Speaker 1: my eyes to a whole new thing. We wait, and

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Speaker 1: you wait real quick. So and look, folks, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to have Sean and I diamond to a story about

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Speaker 1: that he shared with me about his dad, because we've

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Speaker 1: talked mental health when I really started talking about it

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Speaker 1: here with a lot of events, a lot of our

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Speaker 1: players especially, but before that, because you're talking about the

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Speaker 1: Giants and your quarterback coach, I want people to understand,

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Speaker 1: though your first job you started, you didn't really have

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Speaker 1: your own office. Tell people where it was with the Eagles.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I coached in college for nine years and

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Speaker 3: my goal was to be a college football coach in

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Speaker 3: the Big Ten. I didn't get recruited to the Big Ten.

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Speaker 3: I was from Illinois. I went to Eastern Illinois, and so, yeah,

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Speaker 3: those first nine years were you know, San Diego State,

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Speaker 3: there's a quarterbacks job that opens up in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 2: And this is one of these unique ties.

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Speaker 3: You know, a lot of times people will ask for

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Speaker 3: advice relative to moving forward in the profession, and I

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Speaker 3: always tell them the same thing. Be present where your

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Speaker 3: feed are at. All that other stuff really takes care

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Speaker 3: of itself. You know, this is a small industry. And

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Speaker 3: so Bill Callahan was the offensive line coach at the

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Speaker 3: Callahan at one point spent time a lot of time

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Speaker 3: there were two or three of these guys that visited

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Speaker 3: with Bill about me when this job opened, because they

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Speaker 3: were looking for a young college quarterback. They were looking

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Speaker 3: for a blank tape they want, or a young guy

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Speaker 3: point I'm making with that story is you never know

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Speaker 3: who it is that might be able to help you

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Speaker 3: relative to your profession, and so you got to approach

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Speaker 3: And I had great relationships with these guys, and I'm

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Speaker 3: getting ready to go to Maryland and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: you know, I get a call from Bill and Gruden.

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Speaker 2: I go up there and interview, and.

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Speaker 3: So my first pro job, I get hired by the Eagles,

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Speaker 3: and I'm super excited.

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Speaker 2: Now, you know, University of.

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Speaker 2: And man, I'm going to the NFL. I'm excited.

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Speaker 3: And I get up there and the offices at that

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Speaker 3: So that being said, yeah, get to your point.

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Speaker 1: Let's go correct.

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm on a couch in John Gruden's office with

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Speaker 1: Back then because not like you know, tape's about the

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Speaker 1: same it is now. Obviously now coaches they grind, they

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Speaker 1: watched tape, watch tape. Were you not like were you

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Speaker 3: Well, we had film back then, we had beta. So

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Speaker 3: I can click on right now and watch any game

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Speaker 2: We had to cut everything out, so yeah, I had

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Speaker 3: It was always like we were always doing beta projects

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Speaker 2: There aren't many people.

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Speaker 3: There aren't many listeners that can remember play record, you know,

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Speaker 2: None of us knew it. There's no windows because you're

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Speaker 2: in the basement.

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Speaker 1: And how uncomfortable is it just having their office being

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Speaker 1: on Gruden's couch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, didn't bet on you. I think I

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Speaker 3: You know, this gets back to this theme of grit,

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Speaker 3: like it doesn't matter I'm here, They're gonna have to

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Speaker 3: like they're gonna there's there's no way that they're going

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Speaker 3: to figure out how to kick me out of.

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Speaker 2: This league, right. I just needed to get an invite

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Speaker 2: into this party.

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Speaker 1: What was the salary?

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Speaker 2: Ninety?

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Speaker 1: Incredible too and just working. And Tron came on. He

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Speaker 3: First off, go ahead, congratulations, Thank you, buddy, Thank you. Listen,

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Speaker 3: I mean it, thank you, because it really goes all

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Speaker 3: This year's quarterback class. You know, there's six or seven

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Speaker 3: And George said, wait a minute, you mean to tell

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Speaker 3: haven't seen it. My wife's seen it. But to see

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00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,800
Speaker 3: how that's transformed you is pretty is pretty amazing.

440
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 1: I'm proud to be with Rosie. You've seen. Sean has

441
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 1: been there for all the failed relationships a lot, and

442
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:16,040
Speaker 1: there's been a lot. But Rosie's just she's different. Man's

443
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 1: she You've met her too several times. She's different than anybody.

444
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,520
Speaker 1: I think it's important we've ever been around it too.

445
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,800
Speaker 3: I think it's important the listeners hear this though, because

446
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,520
Speaker 3: Jay was in Italy before he got married, and a

447
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,400
Speaker 3: lot of times you think, should I leave him alone?

448
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:31,840
Speaker 3: Or now they're having a good time, maybe I'll call him.

449
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,240
Speaker 3: And one day I'm driving, I call and man, he's

450
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,439
Speaker 3: fired up. Time change. Obviously Rosie's there, and I say,

451
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,720
Speaker 3: put Rosie on. I said, Rosie real quick, if you

452
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 3: don't want to do this, right, if you don't want

453
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 3: to do this, I said, I'll send you if you

454
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 3: want to get a plane ticket for Italy. And it's

455
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,360
Speaker 3: just and but to hear the happiness like you could

456
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:53,720
Speaker 3: you could feel it over the phone.

457
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 1: But you've seen her, like you've been around her. She's

458
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,359
Speaker 1: total different, right, Sean, Like, yeah, she is, like she

459
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 1: and her sister I jerk around I'm like, nicknames for

460
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:05,200
Speaker 1: them are prozac and zoloft, Like they're walking anti depressed it.

461
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,640
Speaker 1: They're always happy always. We were just had a Seah

462
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 1: McVay took us out and Renee came to it and

463
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 1: he's like, you too, are consistent. That's the best thing

464
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 1: I could say. You guys are always smiling. I always

465
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,959
Speaker 1: know what we get with you. There's never a surprise,

466
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,159
Speaker 1: like you're consistent. And that's what I need in my

467
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 1: life is consistency, right because I am walking chaos. I'm

468
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 1: a rolling ball of chaos. So if I can have

469
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:31,880
Speaker 1: consistency like that, it's I've never had it the way

470
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,679
Speaker 1: she does it, and she's so anthetic to my to

471
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 1: my fucked upness.

472
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:43,160
Speaker 3: Look, there's wisdom in decisions, and as you've gotten wiser,

473
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,360
Speaker 3: you've begun, I think, to be a little bit more

474
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 3: clear relative to what you're looking for.

475
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I used to think that, hey, date as

476
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,200
Speaker 1: many beautiful women as you can. That's I'm showing off

477
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 1: and let's you know, Hey, it's you know what I mean.

478
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 1: It's like it was part of my that mask that

479
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 1: I put on. It was really because how was the

480
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 1: depression anxiety you felt this worthlessness. So let me go

481
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 1: out there and show off and be a womanizer and

482
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 1: you know, show off from the world because it was

483
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: like building up this thing that I felt so because

484
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 1: I felt so tiny inside, you know. Yeah, and then

485
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,120
Speaker 1: you have the person who makes me feel the biggest.

486
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 3: So we actually got to be teammates two years ago

487
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,360
Speaker 3: when I joined Fox.

488
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: And really different time.

489
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 2: Go ahead, yeah, no, this is this.

490
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 3: I don't feel the people realize though, and I didn't

491
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 3: even when you really start looking at it that you know,

492
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:34,880
Speaker 3: some of these studio jobs, the history of that team,

493
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 3: and so when you and Michael, who've been on there

494
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 3: for I don't know how many years.

495
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 1: I've been on twenty one, he's I think seventeen and eighteen.

496
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 3: Seventeen, like are the new additions right right right?

497
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,360
Speaker 1: I mean now Kurt, but Kirk's been there one year

498
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: less than me.

499
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 2: Will picture this.

500
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 3: I'm joining a team that the first off, when Fox

501
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 3: started televising foots were all like who and you know,

502
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 3: we knew that they had the Simpsons, but long story short, Jimmy, Howie, Terry.

503
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,640
Speaker 3: Then you have Kurt, and then you have Stray yourself,

504
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 3: not in any order, but when you go then like

505
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 3: fifteen years before, like there's someone else showing up saying, hey,

506
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 3: can I can I join this team?

507
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,679
Speaker 1: And they're like, ah, would you say, we hazed you?

508
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 2: Yeah?

509
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: Absolutely?

510
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 2: Daily? Right?

511
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: We did daily, daily? Right, daily, You're coming walking in

512
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 1: like I'm a Super Bowl whing a head coach. We're like,

513
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: we don't give a fuck. You're the new kid. So

514
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 1: we got called snack bar on the air by Bradshaw.

515
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 1: I made fun of your sneakers.

516
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 3: I honestly I love I love the setting and a

517
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 3: lot because the team, the team the really good studio

518
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 3: shows from Afar. You begin to look at it. They

519
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 3: enjoy each other's company away from the set, and it's

520
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 3: not just this is what we do. We actually get

521
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 3: to do this. And then we'd sit in that green

522
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 3: room every day, and like there were a ton of

523
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 3: those days where I wasn't on the second show because

524
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 3: Jimmy was in town and we were rotating, but I

525
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 3: still wanted to hang out because that was my football

526
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 3: fix and you guys provided that. And so I bring

527
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 3: this up because the following year, I just get hired

528
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 3: at Denver. And here it is after one year, and

529
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 3: I remember saying this when I left wait.

530
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: Wait, by the way, we were talking about Hazingham. Sean

531
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: would talk in the dream room black, we are right here.

532
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: We'd be like, Sean, shut the fuck up. He'd take

533
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: we're a kid with him, like, we're not fucking kid

534
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 1: with your rookie. Shut the fuck up. And he's like,

535
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 1: how can they talk to me like this. I'm Sean Bayton,

536
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 1: so I know it's your show.

537
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 3: I come home to this trophy and it's on the

538
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 3: kitchen table and I said to my wife, what is this.

539
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 2: She said, it's an Emmy.

540
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 3: And Bill Richardson and Halt left me a voicemail called

541
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Speaker 3: him back.

542
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 2: He goes, we want an Emmy and they used to.

543
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 3: Like repeatedly win it, and they had gone a wall

544
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 3: where they hadn't and so I'm like, what are you

545
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 3: talking about, and they're like, no, we won an Emmy.

546
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 3: And so that thing is right next to the Lombardi Trophy.

547
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 3: And so this year, I'm gonna be honest. When those

548
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 3: awards were announced, I scrolled right down the list and

549
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 3: I saw you all didn't win it this year, and

550
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 3: there was a part of me that was absolutely happy.

551
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, ouse, You're like, because you now believe you're the

552
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: reason we won that one.

553
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 2: Well, I damn sure wasn't the reason.

554
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 4: You let me tell you the balls that y'all payton here,

555
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 4: not that I'm going to tell you the balls.

556
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: And you gotta see him coach. He has balls.

557
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 2: It's a little bit of hoots too.

558
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: Yes, to kick it outside kick you know in the

559
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: super Bowl is ballsy, but here maybe one of the balls.

560
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: These things he's done. He brings me in to coach

561
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: his team and mixed martial arts for all the training camp.

562
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: So I come down with Randy Gator, who I started

563
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 1: this whole program with in like seven, and Jason boorbo

564
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: is one of our coaches also, and we come down

565
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 1: and we all go out to uh I think Emeralds,

566
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 1: and then when Shawn gets drinks in them like he

567
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: thinks he's the guy that yeah, he's he's won an

568
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: Emmy for everybody and then something, so he's like, fuck,

569
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: I could beat Randy Couture and he starts fucking with Raddy,

570
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: fucking with Randy, and we go outside. All of a sudden,

571
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: I see Randy take his watch off. I'm like, okay,

572
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 1: that's it. We're done right there, there's no more like

573
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: Sean was literally two seconds away from getting his ass

574
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: choked dune to the gutter, and it was just, you know,

575
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: Randy was like, yeah, of course, I'm like, no, no, no,

576
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: Sean Shawn Shaw, you don't get it. You don't get it.

577
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: Oh fuck. It was hilarious. He's ballsy, He's ballsy. Oh

578
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: my god. You know, actually, I don't think I ever

579
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 1: talked about this. I just talked about the onside kick.

580
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: When did you know you're gonna Like, at what point,

581
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,360
Speaker 1: I know you install it going into the game. Well

582
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 1: you're convinced that, hey, I'm doing no matter what. Was

583
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: there a situation?

584
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this it went back to when we

585
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 3: won the championship game and we played a real good

586
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 3: Vikings team and it was the first time.

587
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 2: You know, there were so many first in New Orleans.

588
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 3: The challenge was like trying to act like we've been

589
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 3: there before, you know, and that city's going to celebrate

590
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 3: just a simple regular season win, you know, and then

591
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 3: pretty soon you're having regular success and you know, in

592
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 3: six our first year, we go to the NFC Championship Game.

593
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 2: All these things were first.

594
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 3: You know, we never won outside the dome beneath forty

595
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 3: degrees and I'm like, we can't help that. That's never

596
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 3: happened before. But we're getting ready to be one of

597
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 3: the better away teams. In the last fifteen years. You've

598
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 3: never won a playoff game, Homer Away, Well, we're going

599
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 3: to check that box.

600
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 2: Now, We're going to check the away box.

601
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 3: And so here we are going to play in the

602
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 3: Super Bowl versus an experienced Colts team that has Peyton

603
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 3: Manning and they're returning to Miami Jay because they had

604
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 3: just won their four years ago against the Bears. They're

605
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 3: staying at the same hotel, Manning's in the same hotel room,

606
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 3: and I think the feeling was like we got to

607
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 3: find a way to steal a possession. And you know,

608
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 3: Parcels was a big influence for me, and you know

609
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 3: he played in a similar type of game that he

610
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 3: recalled where they went on the road as the Giants

611
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 3: as an underdog in the championship game to beat the

612
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,479
Speaker 3: forty nine ers to get the right to play in

613
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 3: Tampa and upset the Bills. Like that game was supposed

614
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 3: to be Buffalo and San Francisco, but the Giants went

615
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 3: on the road and they're going to win their second

616
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 3: Super Bowl and they faked a pun in that game.

617
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 2: And he just.

618
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 3: Talked about being leary of complacency, especially in a city

619
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 3: like New Orleans that's so excited that they're playing in

620
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 3: a super Bowl and so and then also you know,

621
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,479
Speaker 3: showing your team that you have the guts to go

622
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 3: win a game, and because then they'll play with the

623
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 3: same confidence.

624
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: So, long story.

625
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 3: Short started with yeah, when he started with a fake punt, right,

626
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 3: and then the looks weren't there, and and so like.

627
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: Wait, did your players know going into the game you're

628
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: going to call this?

629
00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

630
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 3: So the night before at the special teams meeting, which

631
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 3: I normally would sit in, but I wouldn't go and talk.

632
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 3: I just stood up said give me five minutes real quick.

633
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 3: I said, here's the deal, man, were coming. We came

634
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 3: here to win a game. We didn't come here to

635
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 3: be in a game. And I said, I'm going to

636
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 3: call this on side kick and I can't tell you

637
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 3: what I'm going to call it.

638
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 2: We'll figure it out.

639
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 3: But look, you guys make me right and defense if

640
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 3: they get the ball there at the forty yard line,

641
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 3: so be it. I mean, Peyton Manning is completing passes

642
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 3: at that point, you know, we kick off and touch

643
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 3: it back.

644
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 2: You know, he can beat your own forty and like

645
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 2: three seconds.

646
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 3: So we felt pretty good about the risk reward that

647
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 3: the challenge was the rookie kicker and Thomas Morstead. And

648
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 3: the worst mistake was I knew at halftime I wanted

649
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 3: to do this and halftimes thirty five minutes in the NFL,

650
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 3: and instead of waiting till like the last eight minutes,

651
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 3: I told Thomas like coming in at half hey, well second,

652
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 3: So he had to sit at his locker half an

653
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 3: hour listening to the who.

654
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 2: And then thinking of about this. That was that was

655
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 2: dumb by me?

656
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: Oh my god. That yeah, so it was.

657
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 3: It was finally kind of confirmed by uh, you know,

658
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 3: the week's practice. I got comfortable seeing Thomas do this

659
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 3: repeatedly because it's kind of a hard technique to kind

660
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 3: of barrel hook this ball.

661
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 2: You know what can happen a lot.

662
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 3: As it can be short, you know, it kind of

663
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 3: curves back, but uh, he consistently, he consistently did a

664
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 3: good job with it.

665
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 2: And then you're you get down to Miami. Now you're

666
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 2: really leery.

667
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 3: Because you don't know who's watching the practice so it

668
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 3: was something that we felt like could be to our

669
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 3: advantage and and it helped us.

670
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 2: It helped usteal a possession.

671
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: How has the you talked about bone necks a little

672
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: bit earlier, How has the subterfuge changed, say twenty years

673
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: ago when you first started coaching, to now lean up

674
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: to the jruft because everybody, again, you were kind of

675
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: on the oscar of people saying you're gonna have JJ

676
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: McCarthy and it was never JJ, was always bon Nicks.

677
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: And you know, you got some information out there right

678
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: that was able to help you out because you're hoping

679
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: JJ would get taken ahead of you. How has it

680
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: changed over the last five years, ten years, twenty years.

681
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 2: Well, I think this the media is coverage of the

682
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 2: first round of the draft in the last twenty years

683
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 2: has gotten like dramatically different. Look the fans pay at.

684
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: And then tell everybody what you want to do. Well,

685
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: I want you to finish this, but you're a crazy

686
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: idea that you called me with the day before the

687
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: draft to make sure everybody knew Bonux was always your guy.

688
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: But go with this.

689
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 2: I can't remember you wanted to show up to his house.

690
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we didn't need it.

691
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: I kind of talked you out of it.

692
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 2: I think this one of the things you learn.

693
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 3: First off, you don't want to be drafted early ever,

694
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,479
Speaker 3: and then you know in a year that you have

695
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 3: to you have to find a quarterback. It is a

696
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 3: quarterback heavy class near the top of the draft.

697
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 2: Two things.

698
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 3: Number one, you have to pay attention to that NFL train,

699
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 3: but don't ever get on it. And what I mean

700
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 3: by that, don't ever get on that train and then

701
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 3: base your decisions because collectively.

702
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 2: We all don't know who's driving it.

703
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 3: When I hear people say, you know, this guy, he

704
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 3: could have gotten the second or third round, I know

705
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 3: that they don't know what they're talking about, all right,

706
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 3: But all of those things can move scouts and coaches

707
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 3: and their grading and their opinion.

708
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 2: So trust what you see. Tune out the.

709
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 3: White noise when you're trying to evaluate anybody, and.

710
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 2: It comes up all the time.

711
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 3: You know, twenty years ago you didn't have the resources,

712
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 3: and now it's amazing.

713
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: It's almost like the tail wagging the dog.

714
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 3: Sometimes relative to if you don't work at it, you'll

715
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 3: find yourself at least in the first round. Paying attention

716
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 3: to these mocks, and so how do you tune that out?

717
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 3: I think that's important. I do think people have more

718
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 3: access to video and more access to workouts and more

719
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 3: access to.

720
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 2: All of these things.

721
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:01,959
Speaker 3: But honestly, in my opinion, humbly, I don't know how

722
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 3: many great evaluators are out there. It's a tough position

723
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 3: to evaluate to begin with. I think once we knew

724
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 3: that Bo was the guy we were going to draft,

725
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 3: we knew that we couldn't be the old only team

726
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 3: seeing what we were seeing, and come to find out

727
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 3: we weren't all I'm just going to say that relative

728
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,280
Speaker 3: to teams behind us, but neither here nor there.

729
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 2: Once you know what you're looking to do.

730
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 3: We have a lot of close friends, so you're not

731
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 3: trying to burn relationships. You're just you have to make

732
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 3: sure you're evaluating everyone. And then it's like it's like

733
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 3: when we felt like someone was going to skunk our

734
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 3: first fifteen plays at a hotel we were staying. Then

735
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 3: I'd go crazy because you'd want to protect the first

736
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 3: fifteen plays. And then pretty soon I learned it was

737
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 3: better to make like fifty sets of fifteen plays that

738
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 3: were all different. And then it's what happens right now

739
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 3: in social media. If you want to get someone confused

740
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 3: and completely blurry them and then they have no idea

741
00:34:59,160 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 3: what you're doing.

742
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 2: You with me.

743
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 3: So in other words, if there's too much clarity on

744
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 3: something as simply as.

745
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: Fact, people think it can't be real.

746
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, there's too much clarity.

747
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 3: But this was a year there were a lot of

748
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 3: these prospects that I think are going to be successful.

749
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 1: But you knew Bowl from the night of his workout.

750
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, the wee morning.

751
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 3: He do it pretty early on because well it was

752
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 3: his work his workout that we hit a string of

753
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 3: these workouts, all within the same kind.

754
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:25,720
Speaker 2: Of eight days.

755
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 3: And then there's this interesting part, and it's because the

756
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 3: buildings now are bigger, the scouting departments, the coaching staffs. Look,

757
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 3: your listeners will appreciate this, but there's relationships all of

758
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 3: these people have, and so well who else knows, you know,

759
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 3: And so anytime we went up to our board or

760
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 3: discuss quarterback, we just kind of put them in an

761
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 3: order we had them in the spring and left it

762
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 3: that way and never really and then I think at

763
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 3: some point it with George and I and then the penners,

764
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 3: you know, Greg and carry.

765
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: So on your board you had it, you didn't have it.

766
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: He just really we just I can't just generic right,

767
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: you didn't have how you were last week?

768
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 3: We had them all like like they all fell into

769
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 3: a magnetrae. And here's the one interesting thing I remember,

770
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 3: you know, so ownership was briefed on.

771
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: Yeah.

772
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, so ownership was briefed, and then we this kind

773
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 3: of Lisa Rice, all right, doctor Rice, Secretary of State.

774
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 3: I mean she's one of our owners and she loves

775
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 3: this draft process, she really does.

776
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 2: And and well we'll have a zoom call and we'll

777
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,240
Speaker 2: go through these mocks.

778
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,439
Speaker 3: And you know, now the mocks, you can simulate them

779
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 3: any way you want. You can include fifty sixty, seventy

780
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 3: different mocks, and so there's a lot you can do.

781
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 3: And we typically like to do that a week or

782
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 3: two ahead of the draft with doctor Rice.

783
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 2: And so she would say, condy, call me condy.

784
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 3: So anyway, before that, I remember just talking to mister

785
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 3: Penner and saying, hey, now think about this for a second.

786
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 2: And the term they use at the White House is

787
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 2: are we going to read someone in on this? And

788
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 2: so can we.

789
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,439
Speaker 3: Let condo Lisa Rice know that this is what we're doing.

790
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: And she is a normal conversation.

791
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 2: She said, I've kept a lot of secrets in my life.

792
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 3: And we laugh because if you ever google search her

793
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 3: successes and her experience, you know, she's been the one

794
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 3: reading others in and here we were all right, doctor,

795
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 3: we trust you.

796
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 1: We're going to be secretary of State. Yeah.

797
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 2: Anyway, So look, it's changed a lot in twenty years.

798
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 3: I think the fans are more educated, and I think

799
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 3: the media are more educated.

800
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 2: And yet it still gets back down to the vision.

801
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 3: What do you see because there was a lot about

802
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 3: the underneath throws. The offense can't throw the ball down

803
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 3: the field. And look, the good thing is we're getting

804
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 3: a chance to see. We've seen it now for three weeks.

805
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: But you also said, tell people, fill people in what

806
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: he did with his interviewer. People may not know this

807
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: whole process. So they get a work out. But then

808
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: they give him plays and have him come back the

809
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: next morning. Yeah, to see what he could recurg you take.

810
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: That's when he really blew you out of the water.

811
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 3: Right, all these guys study and so what we try

812
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 3: to do the day before the private all right, not

813
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 3: the pro day, but the day, and all of these

814
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 3: guys we had private workouts with. So at five pm,

815
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,760
Speaker 3: we send an email at five pm the day before

816
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 3: they get they get basically three days' worth of installation,

817
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 3: so be.

818
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 2: Like training camp day one, day two, day three, And that's.

819
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 3: Kind of more than you can digest before nine am

820
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 3: the next morning.

821
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: So you're getting it. So this is the process for

822
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: five pm. You're going to draft five pm the night

823
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: before private workout. You're sending him three days worth of plays.

824
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's going to be probably I don't have

825
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 3: any pages, thirty five pages of just material, and so

826
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 3: it would be like you and I in college at

827
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 3: five pm getting the stuff that we're going to get

828
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 3: tested on.

829
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: But we're getting it right then.

830
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: And pro I didn't go to a class in college,

831
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: so I don't know what you're talking about.

832
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 3: Well, listen, that's why here he had analogy.

833
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 2: I know I was wrong one.

834
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 3: Way.

835
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: How many plays are on a page? So I want

836
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: people understand us.

837
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's talk about a day.

838
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 3: So one day installed might be six runs and uh,

839
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 3: twenty eight passes.

840
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: The second day might be six or seven.

841
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 3: Runs, twenty four passes, and third day so again wow,

842
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 3: there's more.

843
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: And remember twenty five players, right.

844
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 3: We're sending more. We don't expect them to We're wanting

845
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 3: to see where's the breakpoint.

846
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, like him, one hundred and twenty five players.

847
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: Let's say then a minute, nine am, the next.

848
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 2: Day, nine am, the next day, you come in. You're

849
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 2: in this one.

850
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 3: He was at University of Oregon football complex.

851
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 2: We meet him as coaches.

852
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 3: We've met him already, but now this is and there's

853
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 3: a group that's in there, you know, uh, George Payton,

854
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 3: our general manager, myself, Davis Webb, Joe Lombardi. Each one

855
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 3: of these would include about five or six from the organization,

856
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 3: and we kind of just start with the cadence, the huddle.

857
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 3: We started drawing these formations and no notes. Now this

858
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 3: is like, look, I'll say this and I mean it.

859
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 3: This class is pretty bright. And I can't recall one

860
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 3: in which man, all these guys were were doing a

861
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 3: great job. But certainly both is you can tell he's

862
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 3: real sharp, and pretty soon like he's getting too much.

863
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 2: It's not, but you're you're waiting to catch him.

864
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 3: And he's he's hitting these answers, hitting these answers, and

865
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 3: well we're gonna we're gonna go then on the field

866
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 3: and throw. But we meet for two hours and it

867
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 3: was really impressive.

868
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 1: So he's regard tating out everything you're asked, Oh man,

869
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: you can memorize.

870
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 3: Take at five pm when he got to he checked

871
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 3: into a hotel. He put a do not Disturbed sign

872
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 3: on in a pot of coffee and he said leave me.

873
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 3: So he's real conscientious. Uh yeah, he did a great job.

874
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 3: He's real smart. So then I asked him. I remember saying, hey,

875
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 3: what's in your backpack? And he just like, what do

876
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,760
Speaker 3: you mean? I said, take me through? What's in your backpack?

877
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 3: And he reaches in he's like, you know, athletic tape,

878
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 3: my grass shoes, my turf shoes. Then he had to

879
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 3: crossball to roll my back out. Then he had some

880
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 3: bomb recovery. He went and bombed and I kept waiting

881
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 3: for him to pull out like a Snicker's bar, some

882
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 3: dip or something like one bad habit.

883
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 2: I'm like, turn it upside down. I'm shaking. Everything in

884
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 2: that bag was football related.

885
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: Perfect.

886
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 2: So he's a coach's kid.

887
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 3: And then we went out and he you know, he

888
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 3: had his pro day was the day before but he

889
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 3: threw another seventy five eighty throws. He just said, you know,

890
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 3: when you're throwing a football, you can do that pretty

891
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 3: much every day. But he really would have thrown as

892
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 3: long as we wanted him to. And I just remember

893
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 3: leaving thinking, man, this was something, and.

894
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: So how many other teams would give him? Like did

895
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: what you did?

896
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 2: Well?

897
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: You have to remember one hundred and twenty five plays

898
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: for the next day.

899
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 3: I think teams have their own way, and this varies.

900
00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 3: They have their own way of determining. You know, Kenny learned,

901
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 3: can he quickly learn? I think it's hard sometimes to

902
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 3: evaluate can they multitask at the line of scrimmager or

903
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 3: in the huddle, like can he be talking to the

904
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 3: running back, send a guy in motion, change the play,

905
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 3: like to what degree? Because we can only evaluate the

906
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 3: offense they're in. There was a lot made of his

907
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 3: offense being a lot of you know, I've heard it

908
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 3: a million times he led the league, led college football

909
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 3: with the most quick throws. We got it, We understand

910
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 3: all that. And then when we analytically remove all the

911
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 3: quick throws from every quarterback, he was still first in

912
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 3: his class, first in his class, first in his class, accuracy,

913
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 3: touchdown or you know all these recordables, sacks, the guy

914
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 3: gets rid of the ball. There's so many things that

915
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 3: we kept seeing on tape and then we saw down

916
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 3: the field arm talent. We're seeing it right now. So

917
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 3: these guys can only run their offense that they're being

918
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 3: asked to run. Our job is to project can they

919
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 3: run this offense? And we think he can. But nothing

920
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 3: fell out of that backpack, not like a lifesaver, not

921
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 3: a breath mint. Everything that fell out of it was

922
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 3: like for a workout.

923
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: What's the one thing to judge a quarterback on that

924
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: is so overblown? Are You're like, oh man.

925
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 2: It's so just well, here's the latest.

926
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 3: So one of the best off schedule throwers in our

927
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 3: league is Patrick Mahomes. You know, we've seen his ability

928
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 3: to kind of torque his body, but it's all out

929
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 3: of necessity, like in other words, that's what makes it special.

930
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 2: It's not him just wanting to do it. Aaron Rodgers

931
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 2: is another one that.

932
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 3: Has the ability to take a real quick pokestep, deliver

933
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 3: the ball accurately and fast. And I say this in

934
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 3: funny positions because the receiver needs it now A lot

935
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 3: of guys need to you know.

936
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: Collect, stride and throw every time.

937
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 3: And so over the years, it even started with a

938
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 3: co star and a farm and you know the guys

939
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 3: that could take a short step or throw off the

940
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 3: wrong foot because they're trying to deliver it quicker to

941
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 3: the open receiver. But Patrick Aaron, those are a couple

942
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 3: that do it right now and very effectively. So I

943
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 3: think what began to happen after the twenty eleven lockout,

944
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 3: you know, you started seeing more of these gurus that

945
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 3: are training these quarterbacks. They're all talented, but they're trying

946
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 3: to give the gms, the scouts, the coaches examples of

947
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 3: their prospect doing these things even though we don't get

948
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 3: to see them doing them on tape. So you watch

949
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 3: some of these workouts now and I'll see a quarterback

950
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 3: just jump and throw a shallow to his left, and

951
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, what on.

952
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 2: Earth is he doing. What they're trying to do is

953
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 2: show you that my client has the ability to make

954
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 2: these throws. So back to what's the most overrated thing.

955
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 3: When I watched the combine and I want someone go

956
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 3: five and a hitch, take a second hitch and throw

957
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:05,240
Speaker 3: this eighty yard pass.

958
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 2: That's the most overrated thing.

959
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 3: And that I and it's amazing because look, it happened

960
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 3: with a really talented player out of LSU and JaMarcus Russell,

961
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 3: and he could throw the ball drafted really high and

962
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,240
Speaker 3: even in pregame when you watched him, they were oohs

963
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 3: and ahs, oohs and ohs, but then during the game

964
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 3: they were just oz. And so I think that certainly,

965
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 3: arm strength is important and plays a big role.

966
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 2: And look, you have to have an NFL arm, but

967
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 2: you start.

968
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,720
Speaker 3: There are a lot of times when I'm watching stuff

969
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 3: in workouts that I think, what are they doing? Picture

970
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 3: someone that you watch or training for a fight or

971
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 3: training the box or for a UFC fight and them

972
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 3: doing something that you're like, that's never going to happen.

973
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 3: So I see that drives me crazy and I just

974
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,399
Speaker 3: like scratch my head and I'm like, holy cow. And

975
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 3: hopefully someone else. You know, there's enough people out there

976
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 3: that could possibly get fooled by stuff like this. But

977
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 3: I think ultimately you got to look at the tape,

978
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 3: and if you studied the tape, this guy started sixty

979
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 3: one games in his college career, all right, and he's

980
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 3: six two and a half two hundred and twenty pounds,

981
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 3: and all I could go buy is what we saw

982
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,439
Speaker 3: on tape and now what we're seeing in practice during

983
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 3: these OTAs.

984
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 2: And we're down to two weeks left.

985
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 3: So there is that nice bit of confidence when all

986
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 3: of a sudden, all the things that you're predicting that

987
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 3: you've seen begin to come to fruition and you're like, now,

988
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 3: remember we drafted his center the year before, Alex Forsyth,

989
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 3: who he's got great insight relative.

990
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 2: To his strengths and weaknesses.

991
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 3: But it look it's a little bit of a twe

992
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 3: each his own position too. You know, like, you can't

993
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 3: pick a shoe out for me. I darn't youre it.

994
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 3: I know for a fact you're not gonna be able

995
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 3: to pick a shoe out for me. I'm gonna like,

996
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 3: and I probably can't fire a shoe out for you.

997
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: Wait do you do you during this process? I say, look,

998
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: you you're part of guys. So again, we trained these

999
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: guys in mm A years ago, and Jason Borber, the

1000
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: coach I left down there, Jason Borber is a combat vet.

1001
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 2: He worked with our team.

1002
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. So think First Airborne fought professionally.

1003
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: Mitch Marsha luck more time. We've trained a ton of

1004
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,919
Speaker 1: players together. I sent them down with again me, Randy

1005
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: Gatur and Jason Boorder. I left Bober there to train

1006
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: the Saints, and at one point I called him up.

1007
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: I say, hey, do my favorite go grab Sean and

1008
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: ask him such and such. He goes, I'm I'm not

1009
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: talking to coach like that. I'm my coach. He's not

1010
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 1: coaching Sean. Go fucking ask Sean. And he's like, oh no, no,

1011
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 1: I'm I'm afraid of Sean. I'm like, Jason, you worked

1012
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: for me, you don't work for Sean. I'm like, what

1013
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: are we doing here? You're a bun of best motherfuckers

1014
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: who planet? What are you afraid of? Sean? For my

1015
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,879
Speaker 1: point is, you have a certain way that you come

1016
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: across the people. Do you test these rookies? Uh, how

1017
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: are you going to be how much you're going to

1018
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 1: fuck with them? How much you're going to be with them?

1019
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 1: How are you gonna, you know, to see who could

1020
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 1: take it or not? The way we did you at Fox.

1021
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we tried, like we try to see

1022
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 3: how they handle tough questions.

1023
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 2: You have to understand in these twenty years, but.

1024
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: Not these tough questions. It's how you fuck with.

1025
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 2: Them, right.

1026
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 3: But think about the history. When this combine first came out,

1027
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 3: guys didn't know what the drills were. There weren't videos,

1028
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 3: there weren't coaches to coach you how to answer questions.

1029
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 3: You know, they have fifteen minutes now. Their biggest friend

1030
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 3: when they sit in a in a combine interview these

1031
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 3: players is when the coach and coaches or scouts want

1032
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 3: to talk because they know that clock set for fifteen minutes.

1033
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 3: We want them on the mic real quick. So trying

1034
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 3: to dig into the makeup of these players quarterbacks or

1035
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 3: other positions. Yeah, you want to be a little confrontational,

1036
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 3: why did you suck in that USC game?

1037
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 2: And well?

1038
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 3: And you want to hear their answer really right, because

1039
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 3: you know what, they're probably going to have a game

1040
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 3: where they suck here too, and you want to see

1041
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 3: how they respond, and you want to see how they

1042
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 3: like said, hey, look, I played I played poorly in

1043
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 3: that game.

1044
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 2: Man, I knew it going in. I did this.

1045
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 3: You want to see some accountability and you want to

1046
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 3: be able to but you want to be able to

1047
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 3: not catch them off guard.

1048
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 2: But you see how they bow up and respond.

1049
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 3: So yeah, to answer your question, now, you have a

1050
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 3: limited amount of time, like you guys had six and

1051
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 3: a half months at Fox, right. So, but but you

1052
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 3: do try to you do try to get a complete

1053
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 3: body work on the tape, what they're like. You try

1054
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 3: to get to know them as much as possible. I

1055
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 3: think it's harder to do. It's harder to do now

1056
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 3: because they're so they're so coached up too. Yeah, they're

1057
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 3: coached up. But that's why those those private workouts I

1058
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 3: used to do it.

1059
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 2: You can't work.

1060
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 3: Out privately three inner players before the draft, right, you're

1061
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 3: at those workouts. But for me head coach in a

1062
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 3: year where this was important to see all of these

1063
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 3: guys and each one of them man like, you know,

1064
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 3: I'm I remember Caleb coming into the room and there

1065
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 3: was a room rumor that he flew private to the combine.

1066
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 3: I'm like, I am going to totally get this guy shit.

1067
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 3: And so you're kind of you're expecting something. I'm like,

1068
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 3: so tell me when you when did you land? And

1069
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 3: he kind of knew where I was going. I said, well,

1070
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 3: when did you take off?

1071
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 2: What airport? He's like, coach.

1072
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 3: I was thirty seven, C like thirty seven, He goes,

1073
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 3: I was coach. I was a coach, and I'm like,

1074
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 3: all right, you know. And so it was a great answer.

1075
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: That's good, that's great, that's fantastic, great, I saw where

1076
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: I was going. That's great. All right, last two questions.

1077
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 1: All right, So I'll make it a little quick here.

1078
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: Give me the best football let's say football lesson football advice,

1079
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: something along that those lines. That equates the best to

1080
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: giving somebody advice for real.

1081
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 3: Get this all the time, and I want to say

1082
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 3: it's easy. It's not easy. The answer is easy, applying

1083
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 3: it is difficult.

1084
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 2: But you know this.

1085
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 3: Angela Duckworth wrote this book on grit and Pete Carroll

1086
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:08,240
Speaker 3: was the first to bring her.

1087
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:08,720
Speaker 2: To his team.

1088
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 3: And you've heard Dan Campbell talk about it with the Lions.

1089
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 3: We've talked about it, you talk about it all the time.

1090
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 3: They're terms used. And how do you tell someone that

1091
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 3: you were going to fail, and you were going to

1092
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 3: fail repeatedly and yet you were always They're going to

1093
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 3: have to like kill me before I don't get back up,

1094
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 3: and you and I've used those terms.

1095
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to kill me and so.

1096
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 3: That's not that there aren't lessons or times where we

1097
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 3: like I feel like I've grown that way with grit.

1098
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 3: And yet I knew I couldn't pass the School of

1099
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 3: Business at Eastern, so I had to midstream adjust.

1100
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 2: So I went to ECON.

1101
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 3: I couldn't do it there, and then I got a

1102
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 3: communications degree, so I got to be smart too.

1103
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 2: So I'm not saying grit dumb.

1104
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 3: But you have to have a mentality in any path,

1105
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 3: any journey, business, whatever it is that you're wanting to

1106
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 3: be successful. And if you asked me one thing, it

1107
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 3: was that, man, I was always going to get back

1108
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 3: up like I would have to be unconscious.

1109
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,720
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that. All right. Last question

1110
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,760
Speaker 1: I asked all my guess this, give me your unbreakable moment,

1111
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 1: the moment that should have broken you could have and didn't,

1112
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: and as a result, you came back stronger for the

1113
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: rest of your life.

1114
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 2: All right, So real quick, when you first.

1115
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 3: Asked me that question, I was thinking, man, when you

1116
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,919
Speaker 3: put me in that freaking that that vertical cult thing

1117
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 3: at unbreakable, So you're not talking about my unbreakable experience, No, no.

1118
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 1: No, not yet, although your unbreakable experience real quick. How

1119
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: about this? He comes in to work out my gem

1120
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 1: Unbreakable one time, and I pair him with another guy,

1121
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: Justin Hartley, who from this is us And it turns

1122
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: out these two fucking guys went to the same high school.

1123
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 1: How does nobody know that is unbelievable? All things right?

1124
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: Like the magic of Unbreakable is unbelievable.

1125
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 3: Listen, I've trained it, Jim, and you knew during the

1126
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 3: during my suspension, man that that's that was a Obviously

1127
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 3: that was a difficult time. I'm not going to count

1128
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 3: that as this moment though, because that actually made me stronger.

1129
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 3: I think in two thousand and two, we had already

1130
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 3: been to the Super Bowl on the offensive coordinator with

1131
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 3: the Giants. This is going to be the year my

1132
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 3: mom passes away. She's sick, we don't know it yet,

1133
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 3: with lung cancer. And we're struggling offensively. We're winning games,

1134
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 3: but we're not moving, we're not scoring. We're moving the ball,

1135
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 3: we're not scoring. And we had a moment in one

1136
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 3: of these away cities in Arizona where there was a

1137
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 3: there was an interception thrown and it wasn't a falling

1138
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 3: out between myself and the late Jim Fossil, but it

1139
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 3: was a frustrating moment for me, and so after that,

1140
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 3: Jim wanted to get more involved calling the offense, which

1141
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 3: as a head coach I completely understand, and so we

1142
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 3: still worked hand in hand and we.

1143
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:57,839
Speaker 2: Actually went to the playoffs that year.

1144
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 3: We actually played well, and I remember it was the

1145
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 3: bye weeknd we had all gone back to Tennessee. My

1146
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 3: mom had retired there and she was getting treatment and

1147
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 3: we went back to deal with or get her assisted

1148
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 3: living because this cancer was now going to be We

1149
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 3: knew it was something that was going to be pretty

1150
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 3: soon and terminal obviously, and we couldn't catch up with it.

1151
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 3: Like during my father's time when he retired before he died,

1152
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 3: there was years of I remember thinking, this is the

1153
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 3: last time I'm going to see him alive. This is

1154
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:32,760
Speaker 3: the last time I was going to see him alive.

1155
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 3: And in my mother's case, she was had this diagnosis

1156
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 3: with lung cancer. I I'll never forget September eighteenth, two

1157
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 3: thousand and two, She's going to pass away October eighteenth,

1158
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 3: two thousand and two, So within thirty days, So by weekend,

1159
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 3: all the kids are going down there to get her

1160
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 3: squared away. She doesn't want to come live with us,

1161
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 3: and when we land one by one, when we get there,

1162
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 3: she's now in the hospital in a coma.

1163
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 2: Her brain had been swelling, and so she's going to die.

1164
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 3: Like we ended up planning funeral when we thought we

1165
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 3: were going to be going in to plan her care.

1166
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 3: And so coming back off the bye weekend, then Jim

1167
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 3: takes over the play calling, and what I remember was

1168
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:18,280
Speaker 3: that battle between like your career and your your ego self,

1169
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 3: which was football versus you know, mourning the loss of

1170
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 3: your mom, and feeling like there was that I'm in

1171
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 3: the tank, I'm down. But is it more professionally would

1172
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 3: probably it was selfishly when I say that, because we

1173
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 3: get so tied into what we do that what we

1174
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 3: do then pretty soon like begins to define us if

1175
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 3: we win or lose, And so I would say that

1176
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 3: twenty or twenty oh two season and dealing with that

1177
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 3: thing offensively, now there was a lot of feeling like, oh,

1178
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 3: Jim was gonna I'm going to return to the Giants.

1179
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 2: After that season we had a good we went to

1180
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 2: the playoffs, but there were a.

1181
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 3: Handful of teams that had called and it was a

1182
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 3: matter of would they give me permission? And I remember

1183
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 3: Jim saying to me, and look, I own this. He said,

1184
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 3: I'll give you two weeks, but I can't just, you know,

1185
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 3: give you a month. I'll give you two weeks, and

1186
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 3: if there's something you want, then we'll give you permission

1187
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 3: to move as the offensive coordinator because I was under contract,

1188
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 3: and you know, Arizona had a position as offensive coordinator.

1189
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 2: Gruden to Tampa.

1190
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 3: I knew if I went back to work with John though,

1191
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 3: it was going to be like I was back on

1192
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 3: his couch, right.

1193
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 2: But then Parcels had taken that Dallas job.

1194
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 3: And I think the curve ball for the Giants was

1195
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 3: the fact that it was a divisional team and I'll

1196
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 3: never forget this, and you know this man. So that

1197
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 3: call comes the next day and it's permission from the Cowboys,

1198
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,359
Speaker 3: and now it's a little different story. Jim's kind of

1199
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 3: I'm not in the meeting, but there goes Ernie. Of course,

1200
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 3: Si John Marra Wellington Marra in to meet with Jim,

1201
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:54,760
Speaker 3: and my office sits next right next.

1202
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 2: To Jim and Jim. When I say Jim is the

1203
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 2: late Jim Fossil.

1204
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 3: He was our head coach, and he gave me my

1205
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 3: first chance to be a coordinator, and we lost him

1206
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,399
Speaker 3: a few years ago. Of course, the son is still

1207
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 3: coaching in this league. So that meeting ends and Ernie

1208
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 3: comes in and closes the door and he said, hey,

1209
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 3: He said, congrats on this next opportunity, and I said,

1210
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 3: what happened? He said, they're going to We're going to

1211
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 3: give you permission? And I said what took place? And

1212
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 3: he said, well, there was some back and forth about

1213
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 3: whether they would or not. And then Wellington Marren said,

1214
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 3: when when you guys gave him permission, was there any condition?

1215
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 3: And the answer was no, and then Wellington simply said,

1216
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 3: then we're going to give him permission. And so that year,

1217
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 3: though relative to you know, you lose you lose a parent,

1218
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 3: when you lose your second parent, you technically kind of

1219
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 3: become an orphan. I mean, there is that like, all right,

1220
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 3: who's hosting Thanksgiving? Where's home base? That you know, that

1221
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 3: kind of is gone. And then from a career standpoint, professionally,

1222
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 3: you know, you'd taken a punch in the gut relative

1223
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 3: and the team really began to play better, you know, offensively,

1224
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 3: you know, and so it was like man.

1225
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: You question yourself here.

1226
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 3: That's that's where like it's difficult and is challenging. Of moments,

1227
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 3: we have a ton of them, and we're still going

1228
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 3: to have more. They're just not going to break us.

1229
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 3: So I love the name of your Jim. And we're

1230
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 3: talking we're talking about the same subject. We're not talking

1231
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 3: about talent right now, not talking about high weight, size,

1232
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 3: speed right now, We're not talking about We're not talking

1233
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 3: about opportunity because sometimes we can't control that. We're talking

1234
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 3: about the one topic that you embrace that when people

1235
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 3: ask me all the time, I get that from a

1236
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 3: lot of young coaches or young athletes. I mean, I

1237
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 3: was just back on my campus at Eastern Illinois this

1238
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 3: weekend with Mike Shanahan, Tony Romo, Jimmy Garoppolo.

1239
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 2: They had a big first time. The four of us

1240
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 2: were back at Eastern Illinois and we.

1241
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 3: Had about seven of these kind of fireside chats, sitting

1242
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 3: on stools with moderators asking us questions from students, from locals, and.

1243
00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 2: The topic keeps coming back.

1244
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 3: And the tough thing now and there's a balance here

1245
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 3: with the transfer portal.

1246
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 2: Right, there's a balance with ni l and.

1247
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 3: And so but man, currently there are a lot of

1248
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 3: exit doors for athletes if they want to utilize them.

1249
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 3: And I actually think that's going to help us at

1250
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 3: the NFL.

1251
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: Who's gonna stand there and take it and fight back? Well,

1252
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 1: George from high school basketball and fought the way back right, Yeah.

1253
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: The guys who get benched right, well, I'm going to

1254
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 1: come back.

1255
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1256
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 3: And I look, the student athlete transferring I think is

1257
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 3: very healthy. I'm not talking about that, but when you

1258
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 3: start seeing four stops along the way, two different nil payments, like,

1259
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 3: it's just going to help us reveal this trait that

1260
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 3: we're looking for because I think you can develop it.

1261
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 2: I think you can work on it.

1262
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 3: But I think there's a higher degree of it with

1263
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 3: certain people that we get attracted to and we feel

1264
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 3: like their chances of success then at this level are greater.

1265
00:59:57,600 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: Well, Sean Pai, man, I appreciate you, dude, I tell

1266
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 1: you and go thirty. We went about an hour, and

1267
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 1: but that's what happens to you and I because we

1268
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 1: both we don't have add we have elemental PEP. We're

1269
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 1: so far beyond it. Brother, thank you so much for

1270
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 1: winning us at EMMY last year. I really appreciate it,

1271
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: and man, I really appreciate all the cond things about Rosie. Also, dude,

1272
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 1: you know, man, we go back a long way, as

1273
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 1: you can see by this first game ball that he

1274
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 1: presented me with which I didn't do shit except for

1275
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 1: break the story, you straight.

1276
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 2: So I have one last story, and I told you

1277
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 2: this before we went on air.

1278
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 3: So right now, I've never had an office at home.

1279
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 3: My only office is the office at where there's no

1280
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 3: place at home to put stuff.

1281
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 2: And that's fine. So it's always in a closet in

1282
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 2: a bag. I'm not like all like.

1283
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 3: Pretty cool stuff is just in a closet. And so

1284
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 3: my wife was, what do you want to do with

1285
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 3: these different game balls? And like all of them are

1286
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 3: flat or they need air and they just need some attention,

1287
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 3: right and then maybe a shelf. So she's kind of

1288
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 3: putting this stuff together and you know, you know how

1289
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 3: you just open a pose it up and then the

1290
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 3: next thing, you know, two hours later.

1291
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 2: You've gotten why did I get involved in this?

1292
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 3: And so now I'm looking at the ball and I

1293
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 3: kept saying to her, where's the Giants Jets game ball?

1294
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 2: She's like, you don't have it because it's nowhere to

1295
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 2: be fine. I said, no, I have it. He said

1296
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 2: it's in here, somewhere. It's the first one I ever got.

1297
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 2: And so when turned on this screen, I'm like, I've

1298
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 2: been yelling out her about this game.

1299
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 1: Fantastic. Oh my god. I'll call Skylee later and apologize.

1300
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, leave that ball where it is right there. John.

1301
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 1: Appreciate your brother. Thank you brother,