1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vanderkam. I'm a mother of four, 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Hunger. 3 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, practicing physician and blogger. On 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: the side, we are two working parents who love our 5 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 1: careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds. 6 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 7 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 9 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds. 10 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode ninety six. We are 11 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: going to be revisiting the popular topic of superficial things. 12 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: This was honestly one of our best listened to episodes 13 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: of the past year, and we say, hey, we're always 14 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: up for a discussion of superficial things, so we will 15 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 1: be diving into that. Although there's something of a well 16 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: for us, we were reminded of people's interest in this. 17 00:00:55,520 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: Both of us posted on our blogs about weight issues 18 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: and body image and exercise and eating and how this 19 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: all relates. And you get a lot of comments when 20 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: you do that, Yeah, you want to see traffic bump up, 21 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: just and that it was not either of our intention. 22 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: I don't, but I was sort of like weight in 23 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: there some fifty plus comments later, only jeez, I guess 24 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: this is other people are interested in this too. I 25 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: mean the reason I had posted I was sort of 26 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,839 Speaker 1: like not liking how I looked in pictures. My weight 27 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: was at the highest it had been in a while, 28 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: but within the context of my having about zero interest 29 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 1: in devoting much time and effort to weight loss and 30 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: knew perfectly well how to do it and how to 31 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 1: I've done it in the past, but also just feeling like, 32 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: you know, there's other things I want to devote time 33 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: and mental energy too, And I think a lot of 34 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: other people felt similarly that, you know, there's no reason 35 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: to devote huge quantities of time to it, but sometimes 36 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: there are small tweaks you can make that might be 37 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: of help. A lot of people wrote about intermittent fasting, 38 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: which held no appeal to me whatsoever, except if I 39 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: do it inadvertently. But you know, that's maybe it's this year. 40 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 1: It does seem to be one hundred percent. I think 41 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: it's it's the twenty eighteen with Keto and twenty nineteen 42 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 1: is intermitten fasting. And twenty twenty is gonna be something else. 43 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: If we could just figure out what it is now, 44 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: then maybe we could just you know, cash out. But yeah, 45 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 1: I mean, my my post was actually fairly positive. Like 46 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: I I guess I was just reflecting on the fact 47 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: that I feel fully recovered from Genevieve and that I 48 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: feel happier with my body composition than I have maybe ever, 49 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: with a lot less effort putt put into it than 50 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: other times. So either I'm like dying of some unknown 51 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: disease or I guess I've just figured out some things 52 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: at work in mostly just doing a lot more strength 53 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: work than I ever did, which is something that people 54 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: told me for years. Like my friends would tell me 55 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: who looked amazing, and they'd say, Sarah, you would love this, 56 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: like just try and orange theory or just like start 57 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: lifting some weights regularly. I'd be like, well, but I 58 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: just love to run running. And we've talked about this before. 59 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: It's wonderful. I love it. It It does nothing for my 60 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 1: body that is good. I mean, it doesn't do anything 61 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: bad really, but it doesn't do anything good. Versus when 62 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: I actually became consistent with lifting weights, and that was 63 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: either doing it online as I mostly do, but also 64 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: sometimes some in person classes. I like seeing muscles and 65 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 1: muscles burn calories at rest, so maybe that helps too. 66 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: And I definitely do feel like the kind of more 67 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: intuitive eating does work for me. I'm a hardcore moderator. 68 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: I do not like to ever think that I can't 69 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: eat something. But then I also feel like, if I'm 70 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: not super hungry, I'm as well not eat that much 71 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: because then everything kind of balances out pretty well. So 72 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: that's been my quote unquote secret. There is no secret. 73 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: Everybody's different. I'm probably lucky in my genetics, so that's 74 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: probably ninety percent of my quote unquote secret. But I'll 75 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: say that I'm I'm happier now than I was maybe 76 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: several years ago, and that's what's working for me. So 77 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: it was my post. No, that's absolutely awesome, and I've 78 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: really you know, it's I decided that I was going 79 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,919 Speaker 1: to try and make some small tweaks because I was 80 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: interested in getting it down a little, I mean, not 81 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: too ridiculous, I mean just for for numerical purposes. Here, 82 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: I was generally weighing I'm five to five, I was 83 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: weighing something like one thirty eight one thirty nine. My 84 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: goal was more around one thirty and I would say 85 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 1: that in it's only been like two and a half 86 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: weeks of paying more attention to it. And yesterday I 87 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: stepped on the scale and I was one thirty two. 88 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: So that was easy. It was relatively easy, So I 89 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: guess that was it was sort of funny to me, like, huh, 90 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: all right, well that's that's good. I could just stop there, 91 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 1: that would be fine. Of course, then that part of 92 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: your brain kicks. I'm like, world, why not get down 93 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: to one twenty five and be like im? But that 94 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: that's not going to be sustainable, Like I can't put 95 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: the time and effort into say, never touching bread again 96 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: or something like that. But I love things like craft 97 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: beer and dark chocolate and you know, big pretzels out 98 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 1: a beer garden or you know, really good bread and 99 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: all these things, and so any life that doesn't involve that, 100 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: it is just you know, I'd rather be heavy and 101 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: have those things than be light and not probably to 102 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: a point, right, and again this is like, this is 103 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 1: everybody's choice, and this is fully superficial, and we admit that. 104 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: And also, if you feel like you're happier when the 105 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 1: scale is higher for you, like, then you do you? 106 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: I am that this is in no way yeah, and 107 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: I feel I was gonna say it like and I 108 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: think maybe I'm getting like I like it when I'm 109 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: not distracted by not feeling good about how I look. 110 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 1: So it's more like a double negative than a positive, 111 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: if that makes sense. And it sounds like kind of 112 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: that's your situation as well. You'd like to get it 113 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: to where it's not a factor in your Yeah, I mean, 114 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,559 Speaker 1: just you know that I don't look at a picture 115 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,679 Speaker 1: of myself or look at myself on camera and be like, geez, 116 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 1: why you know does that look like that? And something 117 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: very similar? Very easy to get down as it turned 118 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: out to be, then why not so among other things 119 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: like sometimes i'd like to have, you know, like one 120 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 1: blue moon in the evening. Again, this is it is 121 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: so small, like I was just I cut that out 122 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: during the week. But it's not like I'm cutting a 123 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: lot because I wasn't drinking much, you know. It's like 124 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: I literally have taken like two to three beers per 125 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: week out of my life and somehow I was able 126 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: to like move the scale. So I don't know if 127 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: there's like more to there's a hormone of cornfl that 128 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: I was not aware of. But it's you know, I 129 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 1: will drink on weekends or a special occasion, like if 130 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 1: I go to a conference happy hour and that's on 131 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 1: a Monday night, Like, sure, have a drink, but and 132 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: I was never having more than one anyway, So again 133 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: this it doesn't make any logical sense in terms of 134 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: number of calories, but who knows. So yeah, no, I 135 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: guess those small tweaks do in fact get you there. 136 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 1: So and as much as we love to say that 137 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: we feel awesome just ignoring that and downe with diet culture, 138 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,559 Speaker 1: it just kind of is what it is. Yeah. Yeah, 139 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: So that's the update on that other superficial topics. There's 140 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: so many super so many superficial topics. We feel like 141 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: we need to hit clothes. And now, of course that's 142 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: tangentially related to what we just talked about. Oh, that's 143 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: my pager, guys, and I am not on call, so 144 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: that's going on. Problem. No, I'll deal with that later. 145 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: So you know, trunk club I was doing for a 146 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: while and it was really fun and it was cool novelty, 147 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: but I don't know, it actually started to become this 148 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: chore where the trunk would come and then it would 149 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: sit there and I didn't even feel like trying everything 150 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: on and one thing would end up working, and then 151 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: I'd feel sort of guilty. And I don't know. Maybe 152 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: Trunk Club helped to fulfill a couple of staples, like 153 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: it did get some great genes from there a few 154 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: years ago. But now I kind of have of staples 155 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: and the more special types of pieces. Maybe I feel 156 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: like I'd rather pick them out myself. I don't know, 157 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: so I might be done. Yeah, I've not been asking 158 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: for many trunks or bentos from em and Lafleura gave 159 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: up stitch Fixed several years ago. A partly it's just 160 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: I think some of my closet will fit better now 161 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: at the lower weight as well, so then I don't 162 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: need to go And you tend to buy quality. I 163 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: do like like stuff that is nice, and then if 164 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: it fits again and looks good, like you don't need 165 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: to Yeah, I don't need to revisit this issue. So yeah, 166 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: I think I'm say saying where my clothes are now. 167 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 1: But we both did need to buy new bathing suits 168 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: of late, and I like dragged my blog readers into it. 169 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: I love posted photos of you in a swimsuit online 170 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: because you look amazing, and so it was it was awesome. 171 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: I was like, this is I was just like, I'm 172 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: so of Sarah right now. Okay, I don't think it 173 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 1: was that amazing. Let's not get anyone, but anyway, Yes, 174 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: I found some nice bathing suits and then I ended 175 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: up returning most of them, and I stuck with I 176 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: wanted to find a really cute one piece, like I've 177 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: seen these people in ones with cool cutouts or like, 178 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: I don't know, very fashiony looking, and yet all the 179 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: ones I tried on had some fatal flaw, like a 180 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: lot of times they seemed like they were too short, 181 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: which is crazy because I'm very short, so for something 182 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: to be that just doesn't make any sense, like who 183 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: is this going to fit? And so I ended up 184 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: in the end just sticking with like old athletic two 185 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: pieces that in reality I'm mostly wearing with a rash 186 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,719 Speaker 1: guard over anyway, because when I really think about it, 187 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: the times that I'm in a bathing suit is almost 188 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: always when I'm surrounded by children, and like, I don't 189 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: feel the need to be on any kind of display 190 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: number one and number two, like things can get pulled out, 191 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: Like I don't want indecent exposure happenings. So yeah, so 192 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: it almost didn't matter. That's true. It is. It's so 193 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 1: nice to just throw in a rash guard and then 194 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: not have to worry about covering every inch of my bot. 195 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: You know, I still have to cover my face with sunscreen, 196 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: but not every body. Yeah, no, I I just needed 197 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: to get one of those rash guards. What what do 198 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: you what rash guard do you have? I have two 199 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: from Athleta, one from A. I like the ones that 200 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: have like a decent sized zipper in the front and 201 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: oh so you don't have to like pull them off 202 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: your head. One of them doesn't have a full zipper, 203 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: but one of them is a full zip and I 204 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: love it because exactly you don't you're all wet and whatever, 205 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 1: and you can do a zip it off. And actually 206 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: I used mine as a running jacket when I was 207 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: in I forget, why did I have swim stuff? Oh no, 208 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: you know what. I just packed it when I went 209 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: to Baltimore because it was cold and my running jacket's 210 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: kind of heavy, so I needed something midlayer and it 211 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: worked great as a running jacket too, so double duty, 212 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: double duty. I like, okay, I've written that down. I'll 213 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: get that after we get off the offline here. But no, 214 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: I wound up buying two one pieces the Kenneth cole 215 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: I ordered them through Garnet Hill. I don't know if 216 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: I think you get their catalog too, and probably everyone 217 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: gets their catalog. It's on planted and you get it 218 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: when you move to a new address. But yeah, they 219 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: it's two Kenneth cole ones. They have sort of a 220 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: cutout and at the top a high higher neck and 221 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: then a cutout sort of shearing, so they're they're gathered 222 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: around the waistress is nice shearing. And then the key 223 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: is that they look like they weren't too high cut 224 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,599 Speaker 1: around the hips, because one thing I've noticed is what 225 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: you're saying, like it seems like they're too short, even 226 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: though they're they're not too short. But people, a lot 227 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: of these swimsuits are somehow cut to have your bottom 228 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: hands like Brazilian, slightly Brazilian, and you know down here, 229 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: down here, a lot of people, a lot of people 230 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: like that part of them hanging out. Okay, I'm not 231 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: into it, mean neither a kind of. But I was like, 232 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: this is not a sizing issue, Like, no matter what 233 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: size I'm trying on, it's still there. It's like by design, 234 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: and I like just not really into I've even seen 235 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: that on some kids swimsuits and I'm like, hell, no, 236 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: you've takeed that off right now. Yes, not not exactly 237 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: my favorite and this this does not do that. So 238 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,839 Speaker 1: I'm all all good on that. How about how about makeup? 239 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: Let's let's go to that. Yeah, so prior listeners of 240 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: this podcast, oh, I wrote March twenty seventeen, but that's 241 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 1: not correct, so it's from March of twenty eighteen. That's 242 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: not like quite as embarrassed because I bought a bunch 243 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: of makeup when I was headed back to work after 244 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: having Genevieve, and I definitely kind of needed a little 245 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: refresh in that area. So okay, I feel much less 246 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: embarrassed because that's like fifteen month old makeup, which is 247 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: more acceptable than more than two year old makeup. Oh, 248 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: we won't go to old minus. I had gone to 249 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: Nordstrom at that time, and I still really like a 250 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 1: lot of the stuff that I got. Actually, I am 251 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 1: the only thing that I've had to replace. So I 252 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: got like I makeup, I got foundation. I got some 253 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: this lovely dere nude luminizer that I use actually in 254 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: lieu of foundation most days, which is kind of a bronzer, 255 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 1: and I do have to I'm still using it, but 256 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 1: it's all broken, so I really do need to replace it. 257 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 1: And my mascara, which I use the lang Comb. I 258 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: know people love cheap mascara, but I unfortunately don't, or 259 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: maybe I do, but I really am addicted to this 260 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: lang Comb Definie seals and that's what I keep buying, 261 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: even though it's twenty seven dollars, which is terrible anyway. 262 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: That's the other makeup that I replace, although I will 263 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: say that I get that to last a pretty long 264 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: time too. I'm not like a monthly replacement kind of 265 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: a person. No, no, and you just got an Orde Strummer, 266 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: Sephora or somewhere like Yeah, I like Sephora. I you know, 267 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: I was saying my fantasy would be like like a 268 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: boutique style cosmetic place, I mean Sephoras. I guess if 269 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: I go to the same Sephora, I could get to 270 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: know the same person. But or if you meet a 271 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: good person at a makeup counter. But I would rather 272 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: it be like somebody who owns the whole store of stuff, 273 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: so that you don't get someone who's like, well, my 274 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,719 Speaker 1: line has all of the best things, Like I think 275 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: that's what takes me really turns me off of multi 276 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: level marketing because you are going to work for one company, 277 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: so of course you think that they have the best everything. 278 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: But obviously one company isn't going to have the best 279 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,839 Speaker 1: everything of everything. So yeah. Oh and I listened to 280 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: the Forever thirty five podcasts to get a lot of 281 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: cosmetics recommendations as well. That can be if you listen it, 282 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: can you forever be thirty five? Now the hosts they're 283 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: not they're over forty. Yeah, it's a great podcast. But yeah, 284 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with aging too. I was sort of 285 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 1: a funny, uh, like, I think it's fairly tongue in 286 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: cheek because actually neither of them are into like a 287 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,599 Speaker 1: bunch of super anti aging procedures, but they do like 288 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: their makeup, and I find that they're very good about disclosing, 289 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: like this came to us free. This did not I 290 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: bought this at Sephora. I'm using this up. I'm buying 291 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: this with my own money, So I kind of understand, 292 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: you know, I feel like they have a wide breath 293 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: of experience of different things, and I understand where their 294 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: biases are. Okay, well that's always good to hear, Yeah, 295 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: especially in something like that. Yeah, No, I mostly just 296 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: buy my cosmetics at the drug store. Do you have 297 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: brands at the drug store that you're very loyal to? 298 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: You like us really so you're like, eh, that looks good. Yeah, 299 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: and then sometimes it just doesn't. But if it's you 300 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: bought it at the drug store, it's like less than 301 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: ten bucks, so so what a right, that's a kind 302 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: of a good thing about that. You can play around 303 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: with it a little bit. Target. I feel like they 304 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: do have a nice well it's not really a drug store, 305 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: but they have a very nice makeup. So yeah, no, 306 00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: they have good stuff going on. The one place I've 307 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: I started, you know, and now I'm on Instagram and 308 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: they get lots of ads, and I guess they're perfectly 309 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: targeted as they would be. But I've the wander beauty 310 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: duellist concealer. I wound up buying it looked good as 311 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: people were putting it on on the ads. Of course 312 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: it would, but I said, well, let me let me 313 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: order this and see how it is, and I actually 314 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: like it quite a bit. It's thick enough that I 315 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: feel like it covers most of the spots that I 316 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: wanted to cover, so any sort of discoloration from previous 317 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: you know, skin blemishes or under eye circles, like, I 318 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: think it really does a good job on that. So 319 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: I've already been through one stick and ordered a second, 320 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: so I recommend that for sure. I've started. You know, 321 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: I'm definitely a minimalist done this. I was joking on 322 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: my blog about reading some article about an eight minute face, 323 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: like you could only spend eight minutes on your face, 324 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: and think about all the time women would say it, like, 325 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: I have never spent eight minutes. Spend like one minute 326 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: yet one minute. The only time I've spent eight minutes 327 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: on my face is when I have a professional makeup 328 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: artist because I'm about to go on TV or video 329 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: shooting or something like that, which case it tends to 330 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: look good, but it also tends to look like way overdone, 331 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: and I would never do it. Maybe it's too many. 332 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: The difference between zero minutes and two minutes is huge, 333 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: And then there's probably another leap between two and like thirty. 334 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: But yeah, that's the point. Yeah, now you wouldn't. I 335 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: would hope you would not do thirty for like a 336 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: normal day. I mean, yeah, if you're if you work 337 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: in television, jur but that's again part of your job, 338 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: so it's not like that normal person would would need 339 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: to do anything along those lines. So yeah, I'm wearing 340 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: a little bit more as I get older, because I 341 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: do think it looks nicer if my eyes are sort 342 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: of perked up. So I put a little liner on them, 343 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: a little mascara, put the duellist concealer on, tiny bit 344 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: of powder, tiny bit of blush lipstick. It looks good. 345 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: Lit's stick tends to ill, thank you. Lipstick tends to matter, 346 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: I find as well. But I can't get a lipstick 347 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: that stays on that I like. I just don't know 348 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: what well people are very now this is another multi 349 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: level marketing. People are very into that lip sense situation. 350 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: So but I'm sure there are also brands that make 351 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: long left well. I mean, it's just an inherent physical problem, 352 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 1: like you use your lips during the day. No, but 353 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 1: some of them have these pigments that really deposit see 354 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 1: that would scare me because I wouldn't like to not 355 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: be able to get it off, like somehow that would 356 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 1: bother me. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I just 357 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: try to remember to put it on if I'm going 358 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 1: into a situation where it would be helpful to put 359 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: it on, like checking the restroom mirror before going into 360 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: a meeting or something. But I will say that the 361 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: lipstick that I tend to like is like a non lipstick, 362 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 1: like I like, I like this der lip glow, and 363 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: I like this is this is a forever thirty five 364 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: ism and also something that did you wear clinic black 365 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: honey when you were like in high school because everyone 366 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: kind of didn't. Yeah, I have, I've bought a clinique 367 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: sort of this brownish clichee that I wear from time 368 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: to times, like brownish. I don't know. Black honey is 369 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 1: like super sheer and it's been around since the nineties. 370 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 1: It was super popular then and apparently it's having a resurgence, 371 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:56,959 Speaker 1: so I might have to buy it again because I 372 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: absolutely remember owning it. But that also was a very 373 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:02,640 Speaker 1: I don't think I'm coisticated. I'm not going to say 374 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 1: about clinic in high school, So I think that was 375 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: the one eye of my own. Yeah, maybe I had 376 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: like a happy perfume sample that sounds exciting. No, No, 377 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 1: I've yeah, I sometimes resent the time any of this takes. 378 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: Like I mean, I love the lady who cuts my hair. 379 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: She's she's amazing and wonderful, but I'm still like, oh god, 380 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 1: I gotta get that schedule. Like you know what, I 381 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: resent my hair straightening every time. I hate it. But 382 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: then I'm like, Okay, I do this once and this 383 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: like I only go in completely three months or so. 384 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's people do it way more. And I 385 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 1: color my own hair again. Takes time, but although less 386 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: time than if I went to a salon. So it's 387 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: just these things you do. But maybe somebody will come 388 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 1: up with some way to make it permanent. That would 389 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: be amazing. Just take a pill or something your hair. 390 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: Why haven't we solved that medical mystery, Like there's gonna 391 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: be some way to make your hair not grow. It's 392 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: like kind of gonna be scary. It was not not 393 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 1: make it grow, to make the pig just oh yeah, 394 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 1: well maybe or JUVENI yeah, but I see, if I'm 395 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: sad about having to take the time to get my haircut. 396 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: I guess I'm pretty like hopeless. So so the next topic, Yeah, 397 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: so that that fraught top cosmetic thing procedures and procedures. 398 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: I went to the dermatologists and I did not ask 399 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 1: for anything cosmetic, although I will say like, if you 400 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: have any like little annoying thing on your face, then 401 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: it usually takes thirty seconds to get rid of it, 402 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 1: and that's kind of nice. And then while I was there, 403 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: I noticed that they have quite the booming business of 404 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,479 Speaker 1: injectibles and botox and all that kind of stuff. And 405 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: Laura has discussed it a little bit before, but we 406 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: were hoping maybe she would give us some more insight 407 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: or insight experiences into this. Yeah, so our last Superficial 408 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 1: Things episode, we talked about it as a possibility and 409 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: this like early fall. Again, it's the pictures thing, and I, 410 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 1: you know, would take these selfies without a filter, so 411 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,959 Speaker 1: I'd be like, wow, my forehead looks a little rinkly, 412 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 1: and you know, people sell you all sorts of wrinkle creams, 413 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: but it's not gonna work, Like, come on, there's there's 414 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 1: nothing in it that's gonna change anything. So I decided 415 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: to try botox, and I was really happy with it. 416 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: I went to the dermatologists that we've gone to for anything, 417 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: for you know, skin checks and for one of my 418 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: kids for something, and so you know, we were familiar 419 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: with the practice, and of course they do the medical dermatology, 420 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: but then they also do a booming cosmetic business as 421 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: well as all of those practices do. And I was 422 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: a little worried about it because you know, I've heard 423 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: stories of people looking like stroke victims if it goes wrong, 424 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: like you know, the muscles are completely wrong and then 425 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: or do they make you sign a waiver that's like 426 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: you might look like a stroke figure. Now, well they 427 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: I mean they tell you that, like you know, in 428 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: some small number of cases, your body reacts badly too. 429 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it's botulism toxin, so why wouldn't it right, 430 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 1: But in most cases that doesn't happen, and I think 431 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 1: you want to be careful, of course, to go to 432 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: somebody who does this a lot. And so that was 433 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: one of my reasons to go to an actual dermatology practice, 434 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: even though basically anyone who can legally give injections can 435 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: do this. So I mean, you could like go to 436 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: your dentist, you could go to your you know, a 437 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: doc in the box somewhere, but why right, Like, I 438 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: mean maybe it would be or people who are just 439 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: like treating completely different body parts, but like they've done 440 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: this as a sideline, like it's you know, an ear doctor. 441 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: I am not going to be adding this to my 442 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 1: pro no, Sarah, although she could. I mean, so that's 443 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 1: the thing. I mean, you can right, like there's no 444 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 1: limit on the scope of your practice to do this, 445 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 1: but there are good reasons to go to somebody who 446 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: does this as a major part of their business. And 447 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: in fact, I see the PA at this practice and 448 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: this is like what she does all the time, and 449 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 1: in fact, I think has sort of developed a bit 450 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: of a reputation, sort of like caring a lot about 451 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,640 Speaker 1: the artists. As an artist, I said, she's the Michaelangelo 452 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: of botox, but that's her professional Like maybe when I'm 453 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: in Philadelphia the next time, you could go see her, 454 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: and I think she'd do a great job. But yeah, 455 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 1: So I got it done late September. Within a week, 456 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 1: I would say, my skin looked like five years younger. 457 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: It looked great, and photos like I looked like me. 458 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: I just looked turn back the clock, turn back the 459 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: clock a couple of years, looked more rested, didn't look like, 460 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: you know, kind of angry and some you know, photos 461 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: or tired. I just looked, you know, more fresh, and 462 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: so I really like that. Of course, it is not 463 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: a permanent solution. The upside and downside, So if something 464 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 1: goes wrong, it will wear off in three months. So 465 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: that's good to know, right, So that's an upside, and 466 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: that's an upside and a downside. Of course, then you 467 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: know you have to go back three to four months 468 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 1: to get it done again if you wish to continue 469 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: with it, if you like the results and whish to continue, 470 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 1: because within about four months you'll look exactly like you 471 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:03,439 Speaker 1: did before. So that's yeah, something to consider. And so 472 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: it takes some time. I mean I make an appointment, 473 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: I go in, I get it done, and usually it 474 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 1: doesn't take too much time, but you have to do 475 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: it three times a year to sort of maintain the 476 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: same look. Is there data on like, I don't know. 477 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: Does it stop being effective at some point? Well, I 478 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 1: mean it's anything. The half life is what it'll come 479 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: out over time, and so they won't give it again sooner, 480 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: or a reputable place wouldn't get you No, I just mean, 481 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: like over years and years like zero, I mean, I 482 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: guess it would still work. You can't completely obviously stop 483 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: every bit of aging. Yeah, forever, Well just that, and 484 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: so at some point people start needing something more elaborate. 485 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: I mean, there's fillers. So if you have sort of 486 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: larger you know, along your jaw line, for instance, if 487 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: you have those wrinkles that develop there. But but you know, 488 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: any if it's if your wrinkles are confined mostly to 489 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: frown lines, crows lines, and the forehead wrinkles, that is 490 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: what it works on. And they it works pretty well. 491 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 1: I guess that's what i'd say, So you know, people 492 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: can keep that in mind. By the way, family members 493 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 1: that listened to this podcast are all judging me very 494 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 1: harshly right now for even considering this. I think we 495 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: do need to remember that this is it's just people's choice. Yeah, 496 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be such a loaded thing one 497 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: way or the other. Yeah. And I think if it 498 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: makes you sort of happier to look in the mirror 499 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 1: than great, And I you know, I think it's I mean, 500 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: it's subtle. I told Michael that I was planning to 501 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: do this, and you know, he went and checked into 502 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 1: some of the medical stuff and you know, to see 503 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: what the side effects were and all that, and you 504 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: know then I I did it the first time, and 505 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: you know whatever, he didn't care one way or the other. 506 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: But the second time I had it done at somebody 507 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: he's like, well, are you going to go in and 508 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: do that at some point? And I was like, but 509 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: he didn't even notice that it. So it's probably not 510 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: for the other people in your life. It's going to 511 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: be more about yourself. Yourself. But you know, most people 512 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: are not looking at you very closely. Again, unless you're 513 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: in the sort of profession where you are doing a 514 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: lot of video. If you are, Yeah, most people don't 515 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: look at your face that closely, nor do they care. 516 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: So I have had some of my colleagues tell me 517 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: that they were happy when their hair turned gray because 518 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: patients seemed to trust them more. So that's the reason 519 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 1: not to do it. Yeah, yeah, although I've heard other 520 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 1: things too. I remember somebody was telling me her about 521 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: a person who was a minister and this guy, this 522 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: was a man, and he wound up getting his frown 523 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 1: lines treated because he thought they made him look very stern. 524 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: And people were already coming into a conversation with their minister, 525 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: worried that he was stern and might be judging them 526 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: or something like that, and he definitely did not want 527 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: to give that impression that he was. And when he 528 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: recognized that that was just his face, it wasn't him, 529 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 1: it was what his face was conveying with his meaning 530 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: to convey it, then he realized that there was a 531 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: cosmetic way to get around it and to appear less 532 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: judgmental of his parishoners, that's like that, you know, wise man, 533 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,640 Speaker 1: very wise man. But that's you know, something to think about, 534 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 1: I guess. So there you go, readers, listeners, you can 535 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 1: weigh in on this one. The only other cosmetic procedure 536 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: that I have considered is laser hair removal. I've heard 537 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: it's super convenient. I haven't done it, but those who 538 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: have done it have you know, shavings of pain and cool. Yeah, 539 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I just don't see. I mean, 540 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: I guess I have never found it to be that 541 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: much of a pain. But I could see if somebody 542 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 1: had maybe like facial hair, like if there are sort 543 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: of you know, somebody who had a darker hair and 544 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: and you know, it pops up all sorts of places 545 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 1: and it was there then they you know, that was 546 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 1: something they wouldn't want to necessarily shave. They could do, 547 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: ye know, I'm not like obscenely hairy or anything. Yeah, 548 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: that I just thought. I mean, I think there's somebody 549 00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 1: who reads my blog who said, like they did, like 550 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: they're underarms and it's just nice, like oh, they're going 551 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: out to swim or something and they don't have to 552 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: think about it at all, like that that would be 553 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 1: kind of cool, yeah, or you could just not think 554 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: about it all in general. It's true, that's true. The 555 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: hair is coming back anyway. I've seen like a lot 556 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: of very high up there fashion bloggers actually posting on 557 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: a lot of unshaven photos, which is kind of cool. 558 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: So you do you, you do you. That's our always 559 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: our thing with superficial things. But we'd love to hear 560 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: from everybody about what you've tried, what you like, any 561 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: recommendations you have, so feel free to post them on 562 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: my blog on our Instagram account when we do the 563 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: post about this episode, and we look forward to hearing 564 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 1: your experiences them. If you've done injectables, if you've done 565 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: laser hair, removal anything along those lines. All right, So 566 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: our q and A I like, can I read the 567 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: first sentence? Cute? Finding the best of both worlds, podcasts, 568 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: your blogs and Laura's books make me feel like I 569 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: wandered into a magical forest and found my true family. Okay, 570 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 1: I mean, of course we're going to read this quo. 571 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: So this person is a paper geek with to do lists, 572 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: a posted weekly menu plan, paper wall calendar for the family, 573 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 1: and a personal paper of day planner and now a 574 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 1: two month better and of time tracking. Woo. Yes, she says. 575 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: Among her friends and family, she is an oddity. She writes, 576 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 1: it is encouraging to find others who value the treasure 577 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: and tool of time and see the potential for life, 578 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: relationships and talents in similar ways. My question for you 579 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 1: is if you ever feel planning pressure. I love to plan, coordinate, 580 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: and make life orderly, but I occasionally feel resentful of 581 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: being the only one who seems to keep all the 582 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 1: balls up in the air for our two kids and 583 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: all of the family commitments. At best, it's frustration when 584 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: I miss a detail, and at other times someone is 585 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: inconvenienced or disappointed. My husband is very supportive, and actively 586 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: contributes to the family calendar, and we schedule weekly calendar 587 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: date nights super geek alert, she writes, to ensure where 588 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: you're nited in the weekly priorities. But in the end, 589 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,479 Speaker 1: planning does fall to me. How do you keep your 590 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: love of planning with so much that needs to be 591 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: considered and so many people were laughing on you. Yeah, 592 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: we wanted to look at this question. We've talked about 593 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: planner fittis in the past, and Sarah at one point 594 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: claimed she suffered no such affliction ever, and then this 595 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: came in it. Yes, well, this came in a perfect 596 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: time because I had just had a weekend on call, 597 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: and like normally Friday night, I kind of planned the weekend. 598 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: I it was like a lightning moment. I was, Oh, 599 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: this is planning fatigue. I was like, I have no 600 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: desire to be part of this thought process at all. 601 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: I just tires me to think about it. I guess 602 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: because I was sort of overwhelmed with thinking about the 603 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: workpieces of my life and I wanted someone else to 604 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: do it. You might imagine who that someone else. So 605 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: and it all worked out fine. I'm not sure that 606 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: he put together like a written plan the way I do, 607 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: and things kind of just more. There were no on 608 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: their end, There were no spreadsheets, There was no arranged childcare, 609 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: which is again fine. We don't usually do day nights 610 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: when I'm on call. Anyway. It was not the perfect weekend, 611 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: but it wasn't a disaster either, So I guess I 612 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: I just wanted to admit that I do have planning fatigue, 613 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: and I guess I don't have an answer to how 614 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: you deal with it when others don't, but I do 615 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: have an answer for trying to keep the Like I 616 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: can't force my partner. I can't force Josh to want 617 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: to plan everything. I can't force people at work to 618 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: want to plan everything. What I do have control over 619 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: is making the planning that I do fairly enjoyable so 620 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: that I don't have planning fatigue. I actually find it 621 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: more in this case to be on the offensive rather 622 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: than the defensive, like that seems to work out better. 623 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: So I guess for me, instead of dealing with planning fatigue, 624 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: I would my personal preference is to avoid it by 625 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: number one, making sure I have enough time and energy 626 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: to plan, because planning actually takes a lot of intentional 627 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: kind of frontal lobe thinking, and it's not necessarily something 628 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: you want to do when you're stressed out or tired. 629 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: I really do it best in the morning, when I'm clear, 630 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: and also to make it fun and try to remind 631 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: myself that when I'm planning a vacation, that is such 632 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: an incredible privilege that I have the ability to take 633 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: time off with my family and the resource is to 634 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: do that, and to see that is annoying, like and 635 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: you know, take the three thousand foot view and realize, like, 636 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm able to book a nice hotel, 637 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: Like this is so cool. What would ten year old 638 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: of me have thought of? You know, what I'm doing 639 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 1: right now. It's actually like such a pleasure. So I 640 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: guess that's my response, but I will admit that I 641 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: I succome. Yeah, yeah, I mean it happens to all 642 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: of us, I think, And that's just the reality of 643 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: anything you do can get tiring from time to time, 644 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: and it helps to either take a break from it 645 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: and recognize that if you know, one or two weekends 646 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: don't get planned, like so what right, Like you just 647 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: won't do anything and you may feel a little bit 648 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: sort of well, that was kind of a waste of 649 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: a weekend at the end, or you may not, like 650 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: you may just be like whatever, which is it's totally fine. 651 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: Maybe a school holiday, you don't plan anything other than 652 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: what the child care will be and that's it. So 653 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: you know, I definitely had this feeling the week before 654 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: we were recording this. We're recording this in early May, 655 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: and I had last week. I had the whole fun 656 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: of attempting to book a reservation at French Laundry because 657 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: I wanted to eat there for our fifteenth wedding anniversary 658 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:15,479 Speaker 1: during our time in California for a vacation. And so 659 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: you know, I was on there right at one o'clock 660 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: and the system was I had my suspicions about it 661 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: because of you know, froze up from one to one 662 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: oh one. I'm like, hmm, people get special access. I 663 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: dot it, but you know, it just didn't work. And 664 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 1: then at one oh one, like everything was gone. And 665 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: you know, but I so they don't. It's not by 666 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: phone any no, no, I will they changed it. Oh 667 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: my god, I had this thing. It actually became a game, 668 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: and I will say it became a pleasure. It was 669 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: like every day I offered knew no, because they opened 670 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: this window. I would call every single day. My phone 671 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 1: alarm would go off, and then I had it set 672 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: on my auto doll. I would just dial it and 673 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: dial it. I had other people dialing with me. We'd 674 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: try for like five minutes, and I think like they 675 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: only answered it a certain window, so if I didn't 676 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: get through, I didn't get through. Oh my god. So 677 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: it was actually kind of fun. Yeah, anyway, So well, 678 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: I mean, so this is more straightfor like you're just 679 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: using an online system. I mean, but it was all 680 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: gone right. I'd click on a thing that seemed open. No, 681 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: I think that's real though, because even with the phone 682 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: thing like you have to struggle. Struggle, there's a struggle 683 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 1: is real normally. And I kept clicking on it. It It 684 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: would disappear somebody else got this, and I like, really, 685 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 1: you know, then why was it there? But you know, 686 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: eventually I did get one. I kept clicking and I 687 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: didn't get one, but then it was in the middle 688 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 1: of a time We're supposed to be somewhere else in California, 689 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: and so then everything had to get redone around that. 690 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: So I'm like rebooking our Yosemite stuff, which they were. 691 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: They were so great. I mean, partly it's it's more 692 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: that I was just adding time, So I think that's 693 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 1: generally a good thing for a business, when you're adding 694 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: time there. But you know, they were so they were 695 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 1: so nice, the customer service agents there. But you know, 696 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: I was feeling a little bit like this took my 697 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 1: entire Wednesday afternoon, like literally the entire Wednesday afternoon, which 698 00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: I you feel like, spend more time into, you know, 699 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: like how amazing that my life is such that I 700 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 1: can spend my Wednesday afternoon doing this as opposed to like, 701 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: you know, working in the salt mines or something. But 702 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: it was it was annoying, and especially because I was 703 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 1: also really working through the logistical details of the upcoming 704 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: weekend at the same time, which was just a doozy 705 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: like I was camping with the cub Scouts. I was 706 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 1: also singing in Mahller's second symphony out in New Jersey. 707 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 1: I was going to New York for a conference. We 708 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: had two play dates, we had a birthday party. My 709 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 1: husband was running the broad Street ten mile, or at 710 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: least he was supposed to, Like, so there's just so 711 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 1: many moving parts, and I started working on this weekend 712 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: like a month ahead of time, because I feel like 713 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 1: you lived most people's ten weekends in one. It was 714 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 1: like ten weekends in one weekend, and everything happened that 715 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: was supposed to happen. But like packing for a camping 716 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 1: trip is not a small ordeal, Like you don't just 717 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:00,839 Speaker 1: throw stuff in a suitcase, Like you need a tent, 718 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: like you need flashlights and you know, things that you 719 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 1: don't normally have with you for for a normal trip. 720 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, it was a lot of logistical stuff. I'm 721 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: happy to report that everything happened just fine, except for 722 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 1: my husband running the broad Street ten miler. But that 723 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 1: was in no way, shape or phone for my fault. 724 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 1: Like that's totally not your planning, not your planning, It 725 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 1: not my planning error. He he sounds like he was 726 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 1: a good sport of his good sport about it. He's 727 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 1: very good sport. He our our sitter was there on time, 728 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 1: and if he'd left when she got there and had 729 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: taken an uber like he was easy to want to 730 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 1: run in torrential sheep. It's also possibly he did not 731 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 1: want to run in terms I mean, I wouldn't know, 732 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: so all right, Well with that, that's planning fatigue, that 733 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 1: is planning what she wanted solutions. Sorry, I was just 734 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: ranting there. So you know, spread the love, like just okay, 735 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,880 Speaker 1: a say, it's okay not to plan something right, you know, 736 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 1: take some stuff that's low stakes and don't plan it 737 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 1: like a couple of weekends. You know, that's fine. Spread 738 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: it around to give a specific task that you have 739 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 1: been doing to someone else. So, for instance, if you 740 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 1: normally plan on your date night, say like, listen, we've decided, 741 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 1: you know, whatever June X is when we're going out, 742 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 1: when we had our weekly date, you know, planning meeting, 743 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:26,399 Speaker 1: you are in charge of that one, and that could 744 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: be great. You know, you may not do something that 745 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 1: you would have chosen as your first option, but that's 746 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 1: what happens when you don't plan, right. The privilege of 747 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: planning is that you do what you want to do, 748 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 1: and so that's always something to consider as well. And 749 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 1: you know what else, I think she wanted to have 750 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 1: kids take over some logistics too, which is an interesting 751 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 1: Oh that's such a cool idea. Well, I mean I've 752 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 1: spoken before about my dream of having like, well, my 753 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 1: kids are ten, they get to plan a vacation. Yeah, 754 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,959 Speaker 1: something like that. I think you could absolutely start having 755 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 1: your kids do some planning. I do sort of pull 756 00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,720 Speaker 1: my kids what they want to do for the weekend, 757 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: and at some point that could just be like, hey, Annabell, 758 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 1: you're going to decide what we're gonna do on Saturday, 759 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,799 Speaker 1: can you write it down? She loves writing down great 760 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 1: from in my little calendar days. So maybe your kids 761 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 1: are ready for that too. That's a wonderful idea. Yeah, 762 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 1: And some kids are more into it than others. I mean, 763 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 1: you know, there are kids who like to choose their 764 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,879 Speaker 1: outfits before the day, and they are kids who don't, 765 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 1: and those kids who like to think about their weekends 766 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 1: and summers ahead of time, and kids who don't at all. 767 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 1: But yeah, we had a funny conversation with this morning 768 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:34,320 Speaker 1: with Jasper. We were talking about I was thinking about 769 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,760 Speaker 1: a weekend or something that was you know, three weeks 770 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: ahead that there was you know, a couple of logistics 771 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 1: we had to work out and he's like, mom, that's 772 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:47,800 Speaker 1: like twenty days from now. Like oh, sweetie, oh hn, yeah, 773 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 1: that's that's you know, the planning horizon here is. But 774 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 1: when you're a teen, twenty days does it's long? And 775 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 1: it could be like a lifetime. Yeah. You know, you 776 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 1: had patients where they want to start a certain like 777 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,799 Speaker 1: you know, something medical, and there such a hurry and 778 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 1: it's like, well we can do it in like two months, 779 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:06,359 Speaker 1: and they're like it's like okay, you recognize, like two 780 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 1: months is gonna go by, like you won't even know 781 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: that anything happened. Like it's it's very interesting. Yeah, yeah, 782 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 1: but I think it's a great idea. I mean, again, 783 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: you can start giving some lower stakes things to them 784 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 1: where it really just doesn't matter what you do, and then, 785 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,920 Speaker 1: like anything, when you assign something to somebody the first time, 786 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,399 Speaker 1: you maynage to check in a few times, but over 787 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,319 Speaker 1: time you sort of just let them roll with it 788 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 1: and won't all be what you like, but probably doesn't 789 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,399 Speaker 1: really matter for the vast majority of things, and you'll 790 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 1: find that when it does, you're going to get that 791 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,839 Speaker 1: energy to just do it. Yeah, to do it again. 792 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 1: I'm feeling much better about planning now that the weekend 793 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 1: of ridiculousness is over and the summer is mostly planned too. 794 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,279 Speaker 1: It's amazing, all right. So we did a lot of 795 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 1: love of the weeks already with our various products and 796 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 1: services mentioned in this part. Is there anything else you 797 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 1: want to mention? I'll pick one of these. I really 798 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 1: love my Son's Green. Actually, my Dermatologis office was displaying it, 799 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,239 Speaker 1: but I was already using it, although I think I 800 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 1: was using it because of a friend who goes the 801 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,440 Speaker 1: same dermatoloist who told me to use it. So there 802 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 1: you go. But it's the Alta MD Pure sunscreen, and 803 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 1: it's really good ingredients, it's good for kids. It rubs 804 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 1: in really well. I may have used this as a 805 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,040 Speaker 1: planet as a love before, but I don't care. I 806 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 1: love it that much. I now order it from Amazon 807 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 1: on Subscribe and save, so it's like less expensive that way. 808 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 1: And it is my favorite sunscreen. And what makes it 809 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: different from others, it's just less well when it comes 810 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,400 Speaker 1: to actual So it's not a chemical sunscreen. It's a 811 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,399 Speaker 1: barrier sunscreen. And most barrier sunscreens are a total pain 812 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 1: in the ass to rub in and leave you with 813 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 1: like a ghost Facebook. Yeah, and this does not. It 814 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,839 Speaker 1: actually rubs in very nicely, very quickly, which is very 815 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,840 Speaker 1: helpful when you're dealing with toddlers. And I do you 816 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,320 Speaker 1: know this isn't the crunchy in me? This is the 817 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 1: endocrinologist in me. There are some ingredients in sort of 818 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 1: more chemical sunscreens that can in young babies. They may 819 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,919 Speaker 1: be potential hormone disruptors, so I'd rather not use those. Yeah. 820 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 1: And does this this sunscreen work for people of various 821 00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,839 Speaker 1: skin tones? I mean, because I know that's yeah, I mean, 822 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,359 Speaker 1: it's it's very sunscreen. I would think no. I would 823 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,279 Speaker 1: think that it would work for every skin tone, because again, 824 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 1: it very much disappears. It doesn't have that kind of 825 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 1: whitish smoke. So I think even if you had darker skin, 826 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,799 Speaker 1: it would it wouldn't give you the ghosting issue of that. Yeah, 827 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 1: which I know is a is always a barrier for 828 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 1: sunscreen used for obvious reasons. So all right, well we'll 829 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 1: put that one out there as a. As a I mean, 830 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 1: I love spray. I mean I love spray sunscreen in 831 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 1: general because it makes it so easy, Like you know, 832 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 1: the kids just line up and we just spray spray. 833 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 1: There are some spray barrier sunscreens too, but some of 834 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,680 Speaker 1: them are chemical, and if your kids are older, it 835 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,799 Speaker 1: probably doesn't matter as much if you have babies, a 836 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,920 Speaker 1: little little kids. Yeah, So I'm going to say purple 837 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:40,280 Speaker 1: nail polish who which I don't wear on my fingers 838 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 1: because we've discussed in the past my complete aversion to 839 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:50,279 Speaker 1: like manicure, the fact that I immediately cause you know, 840 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,719 Speaker 1: chips and things, ditches and yeah, like, well, you know, 841 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 1: I don't do manicures often while leaving the salon. I mean, 842 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,879 Speaker 1: I can't get out of the salon without doing it. 843 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 1: So but I do paint my toenail myself, and I 844 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,440 Speaker 1: like to look down and see that they're purple. It's 845 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,040 Speaker 1: just kind of fun. So love it. Yeah, nobody else 846 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 1: sees it for most of the year. Comes in Philadelphia. 847 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,239 Speaker 1: You never you're maybe wearing sandals, like for a couple 848 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,839 Speaker 1: of weeks in the summer. But it's for my own 849 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:19,200 Speaker 1: particular pleasure. It makes me happy. Excellent, excellent, Well this 850 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:23,480 Speaker 1: has been best of both worlds are superficial things episode. 851 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:27,080 Speaker 1: We have been talking about all sorts of manners of 852 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:33,480 Speaker 1: clothes and hair and makeup and other such things. We'll 853 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,919 Speaker 1: be back next week for more, maybe talking a little 854 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,480 Speaker 1: bit more about work in life. This was not so 855 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,880 Speaker 1: much of that, but it's a topic we enjoy, so 856 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 1: there we go, all right, Tune in next week for more. 857 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,320 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the 858 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,719 Speaker 1: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, 859 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:57,080 Speaker 1: and you can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. 860 00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,759 Speaker 1: This has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please 861 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,440 Speaker 1: join us next time for more on making work and 862 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 1: life work together.