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Speaker 1: Sounds like a chaotic scene in Portland over the weekend.

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Speaker 1: We have the pleasure to welcome Darryl Turner, the president

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Speaker 1: of the Portland Police Association and a law enforcement officer

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Speaker 1: in Portland the Armstrong and Getty Show. Daryl, how are you, sir, good?

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Speaker 1: How are you good? Hey? Listen? I apologize our time

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Speaker 1: is a little bit tight um, but we want to

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Speaker 1: know what you guys, as peace officers think about what's

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Speaker 1: been going on the violence in Portland, particularly from our

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Speaker 1: point of view, a tolerance of left wing violence by Antifa.

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Speaker 1: What's your take on all this? Well? Number one, this

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Speaker 1: has been progressing over the years and so this is

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Speaker 1: something that isn't brand new, but it's getting to a

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Speaker 1: level of obviously, Uh, the residents of Portland and citizens

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Speaker 1: are straighted upset, as well as the business owners. And uh,

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Speaker 1: it's something that just needs to stop, period. And the

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Speaker 1: way it stops, as our leaders are married, our police commissioner,

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Speaker 1: our our City Council draws in line, and that line

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Speaker 1: is if you have a permitted protest and you go

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Speaker 1: outside the parameters of that permitted protest, you will we

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Speaker 1: will be arrested for any violations, including a disorderly conduct.

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Speaker 1: If you have a non permitted protests and you go

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Speaker 1: outside the lines of violations of any of the laws

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Speaker 1: and uh, you go outside those parameters, then you'll be

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Speaker 1: arrested for that and again for a disorderly conduct period.

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Speaker 1: And is that happening? It is not. No, it's not happening.

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Speaker 1: It's not. In my opinion, it is not happening. Why

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Speaker 1: is that, Well, I think it's the political backdrop of

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Speaker 1: the city. UM. In August four, the chief of Police,

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Speaker 1: Daniel Outlaw, had a strict technical strategy she used in

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Speaker 1: a in a protest. That strategy worked. It kept us

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Speaker 1: from having what we called another Charlottesville. Yet she got

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Speaker 1: no support from city Hall, and she got no support

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Speaker 1: from some of the community organizations that supposedly support the community.

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Speaker 1: And so obviously that was a message to her that

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Speaker 1: whatever she did and whatever she said was not what

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Speaker 1: they wanted. And obviously, being the chief of police of

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Speaker 1: a city with the political backdrop in dynamic Supportland, that

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Speaker 1: may have been a little unsettling. What's it like for

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Speaker 1: you guys to watch this violence being perpetrated and be

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Speaker 1: told essentially to stand down. UM, our hands are tied.

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Speaker 1: We have to work within those parameters. I know a

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Speaker 1: lot of people say, you're here to serve the public,

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Speaker 1: You're here to serve at the behest of the public,

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Speaker 1: and that is true. Although the mayor is the police commissioner,

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Speaker 1: and what are officers go through if they dv from

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Speaker 1: what the marching orders may be from city Hall? UH

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Speaker 1: is unbelievable up to an including termination. Well, how does

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Speaker 1: the mayor see Antifa? What? What? What's the view of

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Speaker 1: antife like as some force for good or fairness? Or

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Speaker 1: I don't, I don't even I don't understand at all. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I can I can't speak what his

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Speaker 1: mindset is, but I can definitely say that it seems

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Speaker 1: to be more lenient towards UH Antifa than anybody else

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Speaker 1: out there. Clearly, violence, this isn't brand new. We've seen

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Speaker 1: the violence, We've seen the destruction. This is not something

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Speaker 1: that just happened overnight. This has been going on in

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Speaker 1: Portland for several years, and surely during the Mary Wheeler's

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Speaker 1: tenure has gotten worse and escalated to the point where

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Speaker 1: citizens are being hurt. And I'm surprised that no police

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Speaker 1: officer or a citizen has been hurt really serious. Somebody's

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Speaker 1: gonna get killed. Antif is gonna kill somebody. That's clearly

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Speaker 1: going to happen exactly, and it's gonna be on the

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Speaker 1: doorstep of our leaders. Or somebody's going to decide they

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Speaker 1: don't want to get killed by anti from they're gonna

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Speaker 1: respond with deadly force. You know. Darryl Turner, president of

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Speaker 1: the Portland Police Association, is online for what it's worth. Daryl,

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Speaker 1: We've been saying loud and proud for a very long time.

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Speaker 1: You contain this early or you will deal with something

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Speaker 1: uncontent hanibal before very long. Because there are groups on

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Speaker 1: the right that are eventually going to say, you know what,

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Speaker 1: there's no law enforcement to stand up force, We're going

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Speaker 1: to do it ourselves. And then you've got a full

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Speaker 1: scale war on your hands. And uh and and that's

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Speaker 1: part of the concern that people start protecting themselves and

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Speaker 1: taking it into their own hands. But even how do

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Speaker 1: you not protect yourself if the police are not protecting you,

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Speaker 1: You have to write it's it's it's it's on you

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Speaker 1: as a human being there. But even more, there are

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Speaker 1: people out there who can't protect themselves, and those are

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Speaker 1: the people, especially those people who are at risk, and

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Speaker 1: whether you're on either side, either side of the protests,

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Speaker 1: if you're protesting peacefully and you have a group of

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Speaker 1: people who are now uh perpetuating violence, everybody is at risk,

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Speaker 1: including the police officers at this point, do you think

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Speaker 1: the peace officers of Portland and the surrounding area if,

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Speaker 1: if again other agencies are ever called in, do you

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Speaker 1: think you have the tools to contain this now or

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Speaker 1: is it already completely out of control? I will say

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Speaker 1: we're at it at We're at a junction right now.

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Speaker 1: We have to contain it right now or it will

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Speaker 1: be completely out of control. Our staffing levels are some

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Speaker 1: of the lowest on the West Coast. We're probably at

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Speaker 1: about one point three per thousand. We have a hundred

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Speaker 1: and twenty eight vacancies that have not been filled at

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Speaker 1: the part of Police Bureau um so we are well

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Speaker 1: under our our authorized staffing number one. And when we

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Speaker 1: have those protests, it takes a huge amount of staffing

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Speaker 1: as well as staffing taking calls or service on the

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Speaker 1: street while these protests are going on. But we have

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Speaker 1: to make this work and the only way we can

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Speaker 1: do that is for the mayor who's the police commissioner

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Speaker 1: and also the commissioners to support that is to say,

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Speaker 1: when you protest, if you go outside of the lines

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Speaker 1: of the law, you will be arrested and you will

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Speaker 1: be prosecuted. Daryl, were barely doing that. We haven't been

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Speaker 1: doing that, and that's the problem we're having right now.

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Speaker 1: We barely have thirty seconds. Daryl, do you have any

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Speaker 1: tolerance for right ring right wing violence? There's no tolerance

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Speaker 1: for any violence. There's no talance right and you have

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Speaker 1: no tolerance for left wing violence. Congratulations, that's the way

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Speaker 1: everybody should be. Well done. Darryl Turner, President of the

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Speaker 1: Portland Police Association. Darryll, best wishes to you and yours.

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Speaker 1: Let's stay in touch. Thank you very much, and well

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Speaker 1: I will do that. You got it, Armstrong and Getty