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Speaker 1: Welcome Inside with the Insiders, a Monday YouTube and podcast

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Speaker 1: edition alongside Judy Batista, Ian Rappaport, Mike Grafolo. Yeah all right,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get this one of these weeks. I am

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Speaker 1: Tom Pelisero. A lot to get into from the longest

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Speaker 1: literally longest day in NFL history, well over fifteen hours

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Speaker 1: of football, and let's start out where it all began, Judy,

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Speaker 1: because the New York Jets had what figured as a

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Speaker 1: somewhat significant game on their schedule with some of the

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Speaker 1: bumps that they had in the road recently, particularly on

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Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball. They came out and

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Speaker 1: played much as the Jets have been against the Vikings

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Speaker 1: team that just in terms of the amount of time

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Speaker 1: with a lead this season, have been as dominant as

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Speaker 1: anybody within the league. We all saw Aaron Rodgers get

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Speaker 1: banged up in that game. What were your primary takeaways

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Speaker 1: from Jets Vikings?

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Speaker 2: Nothing good, that's for sure, more bumps, especially for the offense.

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Speaker 2: The offense look the game reminded me a lot of

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Speaker 2: what we saw last year, where the defense sort of

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Speaker 2: held them in games and the offense just could not

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Speaker 2: get going, and in this case, they fell way behind early,

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Speaker 2: and to their credit, clawed back. But Rogers did not

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Speaker 2: look good. It's got to be one of his worst

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Speaker 2: games period, not just it was definitely his worst game

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Speaker 2: as a Jet. He's getting banged up, the offensive line

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Speaker 2: is not pass protecting, they can't run the ball. The

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Speaker 2: offense is totally out of whack. So he attempted fifty

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Speaker 2: four passes yesterday. You know, they can't get Breese Hall going.

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Speaker 2: Their conservative on offense. It's just all out of whack

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Speaker 2: right now. Not very good and again, like the defense

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, the interesting thing to me is you're

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Speaker 3: starting to hear some but when the team's not good enough,

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Speaker 3: and obviously they weren't, everyone is at fault, right, there's

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Speaker 3: always criticism, but to hear the criticism of the overall offense,

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Speaker 3: to hear the like and you know, people who look

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Speaker 3: and they use terms like stagnant, like not imaginative. You know,

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Speaker 3: I don't want to say antiquated because that sort of

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Speaker 3: the criticisms you get and you know, I think that's troubling.

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Speaker 3: They can get better, and I think this is something

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Speaker 3: But the early returns have not been great. And the

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Speaker 3: about obviously Devonte Adams, and you know where he fit

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Speaker 3: how much he would help. And I would agree all

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Speaker 3: of the above. Trading Deavante Adams would be great for

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Speaker 3: that offense. It would help a lot, but they have

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Speaker 3: to get better overall. Like Devanta Adams will help, but

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Speaker 3: you cannot drop him in and say, all right, this

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Speaker 3: is now a Super Bowl team.

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Speaker 4: They have to get better in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 3: And I think as they weigh how hard to go

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Speaker 3: after Davante like that has to be part of the discussion.

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Speaker 3: It's like, are we just going to be lighting fire

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Speaker 3: make all of the necessary improvements and then add Davante

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Speaker 3: and then it's like that will be the final piece.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll get into the Davante on the whole in

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Speaker 5: just a second. Just as it pertains that the Jets

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Speaker 5: is currently constructed. I don't understand how. And it's the

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Speaker 5: opposite of what I expect. I mean, right, it's like

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Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers and fifty two other guys, right, it's not

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Speaker 5: a cohesive unit. We were there at training camp and

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Speaker 5: I remember we talked so much that day about how

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Speaker 5: with the running backs, but the defensive play. I was like,

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Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers is going to be the glue that brings

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Speaker 1: And it's like even he and Garrett Wilson can't get.

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Speaker 5: On the same page.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand it.

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Speaker 5: They spent so much time, they were so in rhythm.

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Speaker 5: I mean, they had their little sideline spats in training camp,

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Speaker 5: to be. You side with Rogers, which is probably unfair

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Speaker 5: to me is the most disturbing thing for the Jets.

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Speaker 5: We knew it was going to take some time. We're

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Speaker 1: But that's got to happen immediately.

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Speaker 2: That last interception, the one that killed any chance of

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Speaker 2: them coming all way back, that was clearly like miscommunication

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Speaker 2: I mean, that was clearly a mess. At the second interception,

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Speaker 2: he sailed the ball, which you don't really see Aaron

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Speaker 2: Rodgers do. I mean it was and they of course

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Speaker 2: the banking call pick six, he just didn't see him there.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it was bad. It was. It was very bad.

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Speaker 2: There's they Devonte Adams will fix some things. He will

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Speaker 2: not fix everything. They got a lot of work to do.

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Speaker 1: Robert Sallaz said, it's a low ankle sprain for Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: He should be Okay, moving forward the next game to

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Speaker 1: get an extra day because it's a Monday night game

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Speaker 1: against the Bills, which, regardless of everything we just said,

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Speaker 1: that is still for a share of first place in

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Speaker 1: the AFC East. Because the Bills yesterday in what set

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Speaker 1: up might to be, you know, a revenge game of

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Speaker 1: He certainly looked like he came to play. As other

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Speaker 1: a lot of the focus has gone. I actually didn't

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Speaker 1: out throwing. If I were to question anything, it would

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Speaker 5: Guy said, we would get into Devonte Adams and this

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Speaker 5: will be my jumping off point because as I'm watching

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Speaker 5: all these teams this weekend that we've discussed to me,

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Speaker 5: this is the one that it would like you Ian

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Speaker 5: you talked about the Jets. I don't know that right

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Speaker 5: now would help that greatly. I mean, it'll help he's

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Speaker 5: a great player, but like it could really help the Bills,

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Speaker 5: like they need a high volume guy. They had it

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Speaker 5: in Stefan Diggs, and look, we know why they moved on,

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Speaker 5: and that's, you know, water under the bridge at this point.

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Speaker 5: But now you're in the middle of a season where

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Speaker 5: hadn't necessarily reached their full potential or head injury concerns elsewhere,

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Speaker 5: and it's like the Bills are hoping that one or

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Speaker 5: cast could work if you're ahead in every game, like

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Speaker 5: if you could play with these guys, if you're playing

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Speaker 5: mean unless a key On Coleman had a forty nine

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Speaker 5: to watch the Bills, it's like everything we said a

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Speaker 5: talk so much about the Cowboy Cowboys did nothing, and

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Speaker 5: the Cowboys saying, well, we got drafting, we got guys

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Speaker 5: we didn't, they didn't do enough to replace Diggs and

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Speaker 5: they have it and they still haven't. And so I

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Speaker 5: understand there's a lot of obstacles to get Devonte Adams

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Speaker 4: Here would be my sort of counterpoint to that.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not saying that he shouldn't go to the

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Speaker 3: think would help any team where the Bills are right now,

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Speaker 3: which is eating all the dead money, just buckets of

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Speaker 3: you know, cheaper draft talent. Right that's where the Bills are.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Josh Allen, you know, at some point we'll

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Speaker 3: probably get more money. There's other players who need extensions,

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Speaker 3: but really what they're doing is getting rid of some

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Speaker 3: devont Aatams. It just I mean, I know you could

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Speaker 3: do it, but it doesn't make sense. What makes more

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Speaker 3: on a very good receiver next year.

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Speaker 4: Because this really is a trends.

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Speaker 2: Then you're punting a year. You're punting, not you, not you,

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Speaker 2: just the reality.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how big is this window? I mean you

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Speaker 5: I just I get what you're saying, and I know

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Speaker 3: I would also say this, like what you see from

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Speaker 3: the Bills receiving group now is not what you're going

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Speaker 3: to see in eight weeks. And it's not like Devanta

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Speaker 3: Adams would hinder anyone's development. But like, these guys need snaps,

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Speaker 2: The saving grace here for the for the Bills is

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Speaker 2: division incredibly, as you pointed out, like the game next

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Speaker 2: Monday night is for first place in the division. But

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Speaker 2: I you know, clearly no team is where it wants

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Speaker 2: to be right now. Miami is a perfect example. Right

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Speaker 2: we have no idea what the future looks like for Miami.

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Speaker 2: You know, the Bills just have to sort of piece

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Speaker 2: Man, I don't know, but you feel like that time

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Speaker 2: They're the ones who see him in practice. They have

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Speaker 1: Mike Garritfolo, and Judy battiz Ian. We spent a lot

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Speaker 4: The most impressive thing to me is you.

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Speaker 3: Watch him escape the pocket and you're just and I'm

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Speaker 3: Like there's gonna be crazy things in the NFL, but

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Speaker 4: I mean the leaders stuff is significant to me.

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Speaker 3: I would also say, and this is not what we're

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Speaker 5: As well, Like h Judy Goo, I got to figure

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Speaker 1: And that thing.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about Caleb Williams, who had his

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Speaker 2: He was impressive. I I what I'm most impressive about

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Speaker 5: He still hasn't. And I saw there was one play

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Speaker 5: this is not the PAC twelve anymore, which the PAC

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Speaker 5: it's it's you know, it's building that base and fundamentally

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Speaker 5: I think that's the exciting part if you're a Bears

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he didn't show up on time, so I held

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Speaker 4: Then we haven't seen that in a couple of weeks him.

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Speaker 1: those are two big things. I remember that was a

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Speaker 1: small hands. I don't think that small hands were really

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Speaker 1: now a Philadelphia Eagle, but it at least was part

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Speaker 1: of the conversation. Caleb is. He's not tall, but he

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Speaker 1: traits were going to be there where he would be

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Speaker 1: able to handle some of those elements. We went out

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Speaker 1: and performed in yesterday. He's still you can see the

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Speaker 1: chemistry with like a Keenan Allen is still a work

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Speaker 1: in process. Well, Keenan Allen missed a ton of time.

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Speaker 1: He's had that heel injury and then he miss snaps

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Speaker 1: during the season. So these are all kinds of works

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Speaker 1: in progress for Caleb Williams. But I just thought it

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Speaker 1: was so impressive to watch him yesterday, and when you

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Speaker 1: look at it statistically side by side, you'd say he

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Speaker 1: was the best rooky quarterback in the NFL yesterday, which

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Speaker 1: is saying a lot because of the stuff that Jaden

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Speaker 1: Daniels continues to do. Meanwhile, you got a guy Judy

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Speaker 1: in Denver bow Nick who had one interesting moment on

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Speaker 1: the sideline yesterday. Love to that.

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 1: I personally I wouldn't turn my back when Sean Payton

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Speaker 1: is saying something to me. Uh and Sean you could

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Speaker 1: see him be like, hey, we're going to finish this point.

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Speaker 1: I didn't want one hundred percent get the Ferris Bueller reference.

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Speaker 1: My best guess on it. We talked about this on

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Speaker 1: the Eyes and Show this morning. My best guess is

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Speaker 1: he took out Seawn's ferrari of an offense and did

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Speaker 1: some things that he wasn't supposed to do with it.

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Speaker 1: That's my best guess. But basically, you know, other than

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Speaker 1: that he played well enough to win. You saw him

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Speaker 1: continue to make plays with his legs, which he seems

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Speaker 1: to do every week here. It's not been perfect. I

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Speaker 1: don't think he's playing at the level of Jaden or

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Speaker 1: even Caleb at this point. But they're in a three

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Speaker 1: game winning streak right now, and that Denver defense is

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Speaker 1: playing pretty well to back them up.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna say credit to Vance Joseph's defense because

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Speaker 2: it's been terrific, and credit to Vance. Anyway. I loved

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Speaker 2: the bow Knicks Sean Payton thing, whatever we're going to

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Speaker 2: call it, on the sideline. It reminded me. The first

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Speaker 2: thing that flashed into my head was Bill Parcels and

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Speaker 2: Phil Sims who That's how they related to each other, right,

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Speaker 2: Like one of the things that everybody loved about Phil

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Speaker 2: and that Parcels loved about Phil is that Phil would

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Speaker 2: give it right back to Parcels. And that's what I said.

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Speaker 2: Still like that, still doing it. I agree. I would

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Speaker 2: not turn my back when Sean Payton is talking to

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Speaker 2: me if I'm a rookie quarterback playing for good Do

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Speaker 2: but I would say that like that, that is good.

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Speaker 2: To be able to stand there and fire back at

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Speaker 2: Sean Payton shows me something about Bonex that I like

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Speaker 2: a lot.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of people that would like to stand

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Speaker 5: there and fire back at Sean Payton over the years

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Speaker 5: and Russell Wilson taking it didn't help his credibility inside

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Speaker 5: the locker room, right, the only you sort of felt bad.

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Speaker 5: You never want to feel bad for your quarterback. You

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Speaker 5: want to feel that right. You want to get a

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Speaker 5: visceral reaction to your guy hanging in there. And one

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Speaker 5: of the things that I've heard about Bonex as i've

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Speaker 5: I had their game against the Jets and talked to

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Speaker 5: a lot of people there, they say, he doesn't flinch, right, like,

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Speaker 5: no matter what's happening. There were some rough spots over

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Speaker 5: the first couple of weeks, and he didn't flinch. He

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Speaker 5: didn't melt. He is a very strong personality. You're seeing

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Speaker 5: it there. He also, like when he talks to the

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Speaker 5: media after the game, it's like he's got these like short,

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Speaker 5: sarcastic replies. Sometimes he had a little bit of it yesterday.

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Speaker 5: Sean Payton called that exchange on the sideline his love language,

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Speaker 5: which I found funny.

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Speaker 1: I didn't stage this.

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Speaker 5: My wife actually is cleaning out books.

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Speaker 1: There you go, right there.

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Speaker 5: I've also got Wayne Dyer's inspiration if you're looking for that. Oh,

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Speaker 5: just a good one. Hold on, this is a good one, right, Okay,

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump and Robert Key Oosuki from years ago. But anyway,

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Speaker 5: I didn't read it. These are my wife's books. I

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Speaker 5: didn't read it. But they want me to be rich,

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Speaker 5: so I'm good. I'm good with that. Waiting for it

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Speaker 5: to happen. I don't remember what my point was, but

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Speaker 5: bo Nicks.

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Speaker 4: Say, yeah, I've seen that look before.

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Speaker 3: You know, like, mostly I see it with my kids

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Speaker 3: when you're like saying something and you sort of feel

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Speaker 3: like they would rather be literally anywhere else, but in

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Speaker 3: this conversation and they try to like back away or

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Speaker 3: escape and you're like, we're not done, and they're like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: we are, want to bet And I kind of love that.

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Speaker 3: And you know, Sean Payton, I think enjoys these like

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Speaker 3: super intense interactions where he can feel the other person

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Speaker 3: getting awkward.

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Speaker 4: I have been on the other side of those from

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Speaker 4: time to time.

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Speaker 3: It's not the most fun thing in the world, but

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Speaker 3: I do think he really wants you to give it back.

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Speaker 3: And it's like, do you want your starting quarterback to

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Speaker 3: be like a bolting flower? No, you want him to

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Speaker 3: be like, oh yeah, well here's why I did this,

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Speaker 3: like some people, And I think Sean Payton is one

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Speaker 3: of them really thrive on that competitive conversation. And I

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Speaker 3: think the fact that bo Nix is performing on the

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Speaker 3: field in a way that he really wasn't the first

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Speaker 3: couple of weeks is probably a good thing for them.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, the early returns have been good

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Speaker 3: on the field and the fact that he stands up

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Speaker 3: to Sean Payton as probably not the worst thing to

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Speaker 3: go either.

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Speaker 1: All right, Part two of The Insiders New Plan, mondays

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have a two part podcast. This was in

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Speaker 1: part two to get to know this was is part

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Speaker 1: two of part one. This is like one B So

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Speaker 1: part two is gonna hit on the Cowboys win, what

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Speaker 1: is going on with the Bengals, Kyler Murray coming on

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Speaker 1: strong getting a big win, and also what's going on

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Speaker 1: in the quarterback situations. We got a bunch of them

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Speaker 1: in Indianapolis potentially though Sean shansteik and says no in

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Speaker 1: Las Vegas, even in Cleveland where Kevin Stefanski says no.

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Speaker 1: And what do the Steelers do after the second consecutive

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Speaker 1: laws before he and Mike Judy, I'm Tom, We're in

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Speaker 1: the Insiders. The part