1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio. Happy Friday, Everybody. I'm Holly Fry 3 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: and I'm Tracy V. Wilson Tracy. This week we talked 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: about stethoscopes. Sure did um. I don't know how I 5 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: landed there. I was. I'm sure it was a thing 6 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: where I saw an image or something and went where 7 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: did that come from? Which is often what happens if 8 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: I'm doing an episode about an invention. One of the 9 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 1: things we did not get really into because I just 10 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 1: found it kind of like it always is written about 11 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: in kind of a sessationalized and yucky way. Is not 12 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: only lay a X embarrassment that's often referenced in leading 13 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 1: him to try to think of a way that he 14 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: could listen to his patient's chest without having to put 15 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: his ear up against her. Um, is that in some 16 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: writeups of that moment there is a lot of discussion 17 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: about how doctors didn't want to touch their patients because 18 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: they were unwashed and gross. Um, which I'm sure is 19 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: sometimes sometimes the case. But I don't know, there's no 20 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: way to really talk about it without it being a 21 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: side street of like maybe, but I don't know, how 22 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: clean was the doctor? Right, Like, there's always like a 23 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: big discussion about cleanliness standards, and there's a lot of 24 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: misconception about it, and a lot of classism falls into 25 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: that right where it's like it always has talked about 26 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:35,479 Speaker 1: in this very denigrating way without recognizing that like people 27 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: did not have access to running water the way we 28 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 1: do necessarily. So if you were a working person or 29 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: like the city's working poor, it wasn't like you didn't care. 30 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: You just didn't have all the resources to like take 31 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: a bath every day a shower. So I didn't that 32 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: Just like I said, it gets all separate thing on 33 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 1: the social situation going on, whereas it kind of always 34 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: comes off and write up a little bit snooty of like, 35 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: oh yuck, I don't want to touch these people, right, 36 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: So I feel like I've heard that story framed not 37 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: so much as snooty classism, but as like really restrained 38 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: sexual mora's and modesty that too. I mean, that's that 39 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: it seems like, if you're doing pattern recognition was quite 40 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: likely more of an issue when you considered that Lenik 41 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: was also a man who like was so religiously devout 42 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: and considered so conservative in that regard that other doctors 43 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: were like, wow, you are wound really tightly. Um, So 44 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: it would seem natural that he might be a little 45 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: bit hesitant to um get right up on a woman 46 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: patient for that reason. I think that holds more water 47 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: than the he thought his patients were yucky. That may 48 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: or may not have factored into why other doctors adopted 49 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: it pretty readily. Like we said, not all of them, 50 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: but many. But yeah, it's a it's a weird that 51 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 1: becomes like a whole weird secondary social discussion that it 52 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: wasn't really germane to the actual tie. Somehow, it reminded 53 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: me of back when we did that ignat sum lice 54 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: episode and when he was saying everybody needs to be 55 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: washing their hands, and there was this argument that a 56 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:27,519 Speaker 1: doctor's hands are always clean because the doctor is a gentleman. Right, 57 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: It's like that's cute. Mhm. Humans are humans ill get dirty. Yeah. 58 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: It is sad to me how much tuberculosis became the 59 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: theme of his life, right from his early age as 60 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: a kid, when he lost his mom and then other 61 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: family members and his um mentor, and then of course himself. 62 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: It is interesting that he seemed to want to be like, 63 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: I don't have it, I don't have it right. It 64 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: also took I always lose track of where in the 65 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: timeline people realized it was a contagious disease for sure, 66 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: because that when I was reading a biographical right up 67 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: on him in a medical journal and they had mentioned 68 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: like he didn't know it was contagious, and I was 69 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 1: like what, and I said, ah, they And that was 70 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: where I started to backtrack and realize that there were 71 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 1: still arguments going on about the exact nature of of 72 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: what caused tuberculosis um, which is also you know, that's 73 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 1: sad and terrifying thing that comes up a lot in 74 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: history of like doctors who are trying to help people 75 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: dying from the thing they are trying to fix because 76 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: they don't we didn't always know what was going on. 77 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: Nice seemed fun, And now I went down here, how 78 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: much do you love the idea that what we know 79 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: of Pieri's inspiration comes from a poem he wrote about it. Yeah, 80 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: that's pretty great, it's pretty fun. Um. It's It's one 81 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 1: of those things where I literally it seemed so I 82 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: don't know what the word is for it. It took 83 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 1: me so by surprise that I kept like cross referencing 84 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: things to make sure that was not like a weird 85 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: translation problem. I'm like, no, no, he really did write 86 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: a poem about it. Okay, great, uh, which is quite cute. 87 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: I like that he dedicated his his book to Lank 88 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 1: as well as two of their I think the other 89 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: two doctors were both mentors. They had both studied under, 90 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: which is kind of sweet. Anyway, I'm thankful that they 91 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: came up with the stethoscope because now we know an 92 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: awful lot more about um, you know, disease. And like 93 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: I said, we didn't go into super depth, but particularly 94 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: that second revision, he really did. Like if you hear this, 95 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 1: the possibilities are this, Like he really laid out a 96 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: diagnostic roadmap for for physicians, which is pretty impressive. And 97 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 1: for someone who died in his forties, that's a really 98 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: huge to see. And he's not a name, He's not 99 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: a name that's on everyone's lips outside of you know, 100 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: if you know a lot about medical history. Yeah, I 101 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: had questions about pronouncing it. That came up in the 102 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: middle of the episodes. Uh. Yeah, So thanks for that, Rennek, 103 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: because we sure appreciate it. Today we talked about Eunice 104 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: Newton Foot this week, and uh, this is the second 105 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 1: time in recent memory that I've been working on an 106 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: episode about somebody where I just have had a really 107 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: hard time getting a sense of like their personality, what 108 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: they were like as a person, things besides some spare 109 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: details of their life to build a kind of narrative 110 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 1: out of UM. Because I had a similar a similar 111 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: thing when we were working on Antie Jump Cannon with 112 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: their not being like a full on, you know for 113 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: adults biography of her. UM. There's even less about Unice 114 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: Newton Foot out there in the the publicly accessible world 115 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: right now, UM, which made it a little challenging, And 116 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: one of those things where I'm just like, you know, 117 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: if I lived closer to any of the places where 118 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: there might be some of her papers and there were 119 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: not a pandemic happening, might be like, guess what I'm 120 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: gonna do, drop everything and look for this. Yeah. I 121 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: liked Slash was a little bit bummed when we got 122 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: to the part about the genealogy writing where they're like, 123 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: she was a marvelous painter, and I'm like what, and yeah, 124 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: and they don't know anything about that's all I know, 125 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: I know nothing else besides that. Um. I. One of 126 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: the things I stumbled over when working on this was 127 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:01,559 Speaker 1: a Twitter thread by one of her descendants, UM, trying 128 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: to find more information about her, and I like, we 129 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: mentioned that there's not a known photograph of her at 130 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: this point as of when we're recording it, um. And 131 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: in that thread there were some things that were like, well, 132 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: here's four pictures of women. One of them could be her, 133 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: but we don't really know. Um. Yeah. Some of the 134 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: people that she was connected to, either personally or or 135 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: through marriage through her children's marriages are like well known 136 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: and prominent enough that it seems like there probably is 137 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 1: other information in existence somewhere. Uh. It is a matter 138 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:42,719 Speaker 1: of you know, finding it in archives and people's correspondence 139 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: and historical societies and maybe somebody's attic. Yeah, I do. 140 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: I will say this completely not related to her biography 141 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: or anything important. I think my favorite phrase of the 142 00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 1: entire thing is electrical excitation. Yeah. If that doesn't sound 143 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: like a band from the eighties, I don't know what 144 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: does it does? Yeah? I love it. I would like 145 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: for that to be a modern day cover band that 146 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: does all of like the synth pop of the eighties, right, 147 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: lots of New Order covers. Yeah, that would be great 148 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: in my book. I also really appreciated how how accessible 149 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: both of their papers were to read in terms of, 150 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 1: um just having a pretty straightforward narrative of what they 151 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: did and what they found. UM. And you know, I 152 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: don't I don't read scientific journal articles as much now 153 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: as I used to when my job was writing for 154 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: the website How Stuff Works. But because the field of 155 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: science is a lot more professionalized than it was in 156 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: the middle of the nineteenth century, um, when there were 157 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: a lot of people just doing some experiments in their 158 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: own well lab and then publishing that in respectable journals 159 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: like the Level of Complexity and and Jargon and uh 160 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: and more. Inaccessibility has just trended over time to be 161 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: more difficult to get access to and more difficult to 162 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: read as a lay person. Yeah. I do love the 163 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 1: suggestion that you can kind of get from what little 164 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: we do know about her that she and Elisha were 165 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: clearly like partners. Yeah, they seemed to from just the 166 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: reading of each of their work. Like, the most obvious 167 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: conclusion is that they were a good match and they 168 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 1: had a happy marriage where they did experiments and they 169 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: invented things and they patented it. And doesn't that sound 170 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: kind of dreamy, That's sounds marvelous. We're gonna do some 171 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: science together, Honey, let me make the coffee. Let's get 172 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: on it. Yeah, that sounds beautiful. Yeah, we didn't mention 173 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: it in the episode, but one of the things that 174 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: that Elisha patented was uh and improved ice skate, And 175 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: so I kind of love the idea that Unice was 176 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: patenting a filling for shoes and boots so that they 177 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: would not be squeaking, and he was patenting a sort 178 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: of similar but slightly different ice skate. Listen, where is 179 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: that filler? Because I still have squeaky shoes. That's a 180 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: good question, although I imagine, I imagine that was a 181 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: filler that was intended for shoes of the time, which 182 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 1: often had like a much thinner leather sole than like 183 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: my sneakers today, which are squeaky. Yeah, I do not 184 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 1: mean the squeak of rubber on floors. I mean the 185 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: squeak when you take a step, because those still Yeah, 186 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: I remember back when not only were you and I 187 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: working in the same office, but that office is in 188 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 1: a different place and then the office that exists for company. Now. Um, 189 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: I had this pair of Mary Jane's that I loved, 190 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 1: and the interior pieces of them made just the loudest, 191 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 1: most embarrassing squeak, and I felt self conscious every time 192 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: I wore them, and nothing I tried to do to 193 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: address it worked well. And that office had very little 194 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: sound baffling, so I could see where one would become 195 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: self conscious with a squeak that would then carry across 196 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:25,719 Speaker 1: the entire everything. Yeah, yeah, thanks everybody for joining us 197 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: for this. You know, Happy Friday again. Whatever is happening 198 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: your weekend. 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