WEBVTT - Reparations and Historical Injustice 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.680 Speaks to the planning. I'll go by the name of 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:03.960 Charlamagne of God and guess what, I can't wait to 0:00:03.960 --> 0:00:07.320 see y'all at the third annual Black Effect Podcast Festival. 0:00:07.360 --> 0:00:10.320 That's right, We're coming back to Atlanta, Georgia, Saturday, April 0:00:10.400 --> 0:00:13.039 twenty six at Poeman Yards and it's hosted by none 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:16.599 other than Decisions Decisions, Mandy B and Weezy. Okay, we 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:19.880 got the R and B Money podcast, were taking Jay Valentine. 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:22.520 We got the Woman of All Podcasts with Sarah Jake Roberts. 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:25.239 We got Good Mom's Bad Choices. Carrie Champion will be 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:27.720 there with her next sports podcast and the Trap Nerds 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:30.240 podcast with more to be announced. And of course it's 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:33.000 bigger than podcasts. We're bringing the Black Effect marketplace with 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:36.440 black owned businesses plus the food truck court to keep 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:37.200 you fed. 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:39.680 While you visit us. All right, listen, you don't want 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:40.400 to miss this. 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:43.240 Tap in and grab your tickets now at Black Effect 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:45.440 dot Com Flash Podcast Festival. 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:48.160 I'm Tamika D. Mallory and the Shit Boy my Son 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:48.760 a General. 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:51.240 We are your host of TMI. 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:55.200 Tamika and my Son's Information, Truth, Motivation and Inspiration. 0:00:55.360 --> 0:01:02.240 New name new energy. Say what's going on my son, Lennon? 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:06.080 Ay much? Tamika? Do you Marry? How you feeling good? 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:06.759 Doing good? 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:09.520 I mean you know I've had obviously, we have had 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:14.880 a major blow in the last few days with the 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:20.880 loss of my godmother, my movement mother, my friend, my 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:28.360 big sister, my link sister, so many things, mentor all 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:33.200 the things, my leader, Hazel and Dukes. For people who 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:37.920 don't know doctor Duke, she is an icon, a living legend, 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:44.520 or now unfortunately a deceased legend, someone who never really 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:48.480 looked for the cover of magazines and you know, to 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:52.440 be the most noticed, but she did, has done the 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:55.280 most organizing of anybody that I know. 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:57.920 I don't know anyone who lived as. 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:03.200 Long as she lived who made such an incredible impact 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:08.880 on our society. My Dukes was on the board of 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:14.520 the NAACP, I'm sure for more than thirty years. She 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:20.840 is a grassroots organizer from Harlem and her community of Hall. 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:22.919 Doesn't that that she could be on the national board 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:29.160 to NAACP. She could be over here in another country 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:34.399 helping with humanitarian efforts. Baby that Harlem, that local community. 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:40.120 She was hard pressed about ensuring that the people of 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:42.800 Harlem knew her. She walked the streets, she shook hands, 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:46.639 She paid light bills, phone bills, rent went to court, 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:49.239 family court, went to criminal court. 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:52.359 Did all of that with people from Harlem. 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:56.280 She was a go to for elected officials to be 0:02:56.440 --> 0:03:02.600 able to get her her. She was one that you 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:05.440 had to kiss the ring, because not because she was 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:10.359 ostentatious and or egotistical, but because she was such an 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:15.600 important and formidable force within the community that if you 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:18.639 didn't kiss the ring and people didn't see her with you, 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:21.360 they want to know what's wrong with you that she was. 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:23.240 You know that she didn't support you. 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:28.320 And I tell you even with my dukes, where we 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:31.680 sometimes wouldn't agree politically. So I'd be with one candidate 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:34.040 and she'd be with somebody else, and I'll be saying, Ma, 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:36.720 you know, I don't know why you supporting that person. 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:40.320 She said, Baby, you live to see a day when 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:42.600 you put yourself in a position that no matter who win, 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:45.520 they got to talk to you. So it don't really 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:48.880 matter like you might be caught up in Well, you 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:50.560 and I got to be on the same side. 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:51.000 We don't. 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:53.040 We don't agree on the same issue. 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:57.400 She used to tell me you and I have different perspectives. 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:01.840 I come from a perspective where, yes, I care about 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:04.560 my youth. I want to see programming for the youth. 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:07.000 I want to see violence decreased. I want to see 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:10.440 all that. But I'm also an elder, so senior care 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:15.200 is important to me, and workers, civil servants, those types 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:19.080 of things you might your interests might be focused on 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:22.520 police accountability, which she cared about, but that might not 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:25.320 be one on the list. That might be three and 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:28.280 one for her is making sure elderly people didn't get 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:31.839 evicted from their homes, and then making sure that people 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:34.960 got their medication and that the hospitals was good. It 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:38.960 just depended on who was running and what the issues were. 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:41.599 And sometimes I would be like, well, Ma, you know, 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.560 but what about my candidate. She say, send me the link, baby, 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:45.719 I'm gonna send them some money. 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:47.039 So she would. 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:50.680 Donate even to my person, who she may not have 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:54.719 been supporting, because she was that strategic that she knew 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:58.120 how to deal with the entire board, not just be 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:00.560 so caught up in one thing that you can can't see, 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:03.840 as she says, the forest from the trees. And so 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:06.680 I learned a lot of my organizing from her. And 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:08.800 another thing she used to tell me was don't do 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:14.000 everything I do. Do your own thing. Listen to me wisdom, 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:16.680 but don't do everything I do. You do your thing 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:19.839 your way. And she was very supportive of us. She's 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:21.640 been by our side. She's been with me in every 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:23.800 foxhole I ever got into. If I was in trouble, 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:26.560 she got in trouble with me. You know, she would 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:28.600 never just let me be out there by myself. And 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:32.280 so I just Min's passed and we all call her 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:36.680 my dukes and you know, for me, and I've been 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:39.000 getting a lot of text messages from people saying, naw, 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:41.680 like she really really loved you. And I think she 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:44.159 loved all of us. She had many children, She loved 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:46.799 every single one of us, and she loved us hard. 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:52.240 But I think with me she saw a little organizer, 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:54.640 like a little rival rouser, and. 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:56.920 So she knew I needed a lot of a lot 0:05:56.960 --> 0:05:57.599 of protection. 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:02.240 I think would think she's seen her a bit of 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:04.640 herself in you. You know, when I when I listen 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:07.840 to you and I'm listening to her, there's this spice 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:10.520 and there's this vigor that y'all both have. 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:13.520 And I think she's seen. She's like a little bit 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:14.240 of hunt you so. 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:18.280 But I think she could find a little bit of. 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:21.320 Her in all her everybody, all children, a little bit 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:26.279 a little bougie, a little you know, organizer from like 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:30.120 an organizational perspective, you know, because us we're kind of 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:35.440 like decentralized, you know, we believe in having organization and 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:38.800 things happening all over, and that's kind of that's something 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:40.839 that she knows how to do because she worked within 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:45.360 an organization that has you know, units everywhere, chapters moving 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:50.039 or whatever. But some of her children are all about 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:53.680 structure and organization and that's what they into and she 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:56.200 into that too. So you could she could see look 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:59.440 at so and so every little detail, you know, on 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:02.159 a little detail, Oh look at so and so knows 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:04.320 how to rally orly elected officials. 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:06.880 Oh look at so and so. Good fundraiser. 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:09.400 She could see herself in every one of us in 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:13.560 different ways. But with me, I think she always knew 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:16.320 that I was the one to say the thing and 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:19.320 get myself in trouble, and so she felt like I 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:25.120 needed protection. Every child probably need something different from her, 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:27.760 and I was the one who she needed to protect. 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:31.160 Marvin bing our brother. She knew she had to always 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:35.440 monitor his health. He's gonna do his business. But whether 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:37.600 or not he was taking care of himself, whether or 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:40.160 not he was letting the stress and the trauma of 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:42.840 his life, things that happened to him, you know early 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:45.120 on in life. If he was allowed, if he was 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:47.400 letting that kill him, she gonna be on top of it, 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:50.840 you know what I'm saying. So everybody, we all are 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:56.880 suffering such a great loss. It's such a huge loss 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:00.960 that it is indescribable that you know, I was there 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:03.520 with her six or seven days before she passed away. 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:06.800 You knew it was coming because we could see it. 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:08.920 You walk in the door, You're like, damn, you know 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:12.480 her time is winding down. But it's just nothing like 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:15.320 that last moment when the eyes are closed and the 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:16.160 story is over. 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:18.280 So it's a tough thing. 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:22.040 We've in peace to the Queen, Hazel and dukes Man. 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:23.560 We missed you already. 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:30.360 Well anyway, here we are at the end of the 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:34.520 first season of the Team my podcast, but not the 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:39.920 first season of us doing a podcast together. New energy, 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:47.040 the same old us, and as we rebrand, we rebranded 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:54.720 this season we became the Tamika Mason Information Podcast. But 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:59.360 I think we now have moved to being a show 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:03.080 and not so much a podcast, although I still love 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:10.079 the grassroots and grassrootness of podcasts. I love that, and 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:14.440 you know, and I am so grateful for the people 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:17.320 that I meet, especially on my book tour, that are saying, 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:19.200 oh my god, I love your podcast. 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:19.920 I watch it. 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:22.200 I you know, I see y'all all the time. I 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:25.680 love what you're doing, and so I'm I love that. 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:31.440 I love that about the fact that this this vehicle 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:34.040 gives us a way to touch people that we don't 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:36.640 even get to see until you happen to be in 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:40.160 West Bubblehell and there goes somebody that's like, oh man, 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:42.560 I remember that episode when y'all was talking about song. 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:44.600 So I was so mad because I wanted to get 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:47.280 my thing in there, and what about me? Because I got, 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:50.400 you know, my product needs to be on your show too. 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:50.720 You know. 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:52.640 I hear that all the time, and it lets us 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:55.760 know that we got so much ground to cover. Our 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:58.520 people are spread out all over this country, all over 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:01.800 the world, with so much to contribute to the fight 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:07.280 to information, to fact finding, to truth finding. And I 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:10.760 am very committed to what we look at feel like 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:14.400 we change so much about our visuals. We had so 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:17.400 many great shows during the season, and some of y'all 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:19.240 stuck with us, and we've got more work to do. 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:21.720 We've been trying to fine tune so you can find 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:25.200 us easily on YouTube, so you can listen to our products, 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:29.079 so that our schedules are tight enough that we're dropping 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:31.160 what you're supposed to see and hear from us on 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:34.600 a regular basis. And we're working on all those things. 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:36.600 But thank you so much for sticking with us. 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:39.719 Folks. We love and appreciate every. 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:44.359 Single supporter of the team my show, and we appreciate 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:47.160 those people who send feedback to help us be better 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:48.560 at what it is that we're doing. 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:52.719 We truly appreciate y'all, man, keep supporting us. We are 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:55.679 going to keep giving y'all all content and all the 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:57.440 best interviews that we can give you, and we're going 0:10:57.520 --> 0:10:59.480 to try to make sure that everything we give you 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:03.720 is fact you and that you are definitely in love 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:06.880 with this podcast because we need about twenty more seasons. Man. 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:10.719 Yes, absolutely, we're gonna We're gonna be on TV one day. 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:11.440 That's the goal. 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:14.560 We're gonna have our own channel. 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:16.840 So for today, we. 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:19.480 Did not want to do a show with one guest 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:21.959 because we couldn't figure out which guests to bring on 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:23.800 and what exactly to talk about. 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:26.240 So we said, bring them all on. Let's do a panel, 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:29.520 bring bring them out, rather than all. 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:31.360 Of the different segments that you're used to hearing, which 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:32.319 we're fine tuning in. 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:33.120 Those as well. 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:38.160 We see what works, what y'all love, We see what 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:43.400 has actually sparked conversation on our social media. Uh, And 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:46.080 so we're gonna we're gonna lean more in the next 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:49.720 season into those things and just try to revise some 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:51.600 of the other things we want to tell y'all the 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:55.360 greatest music and all of that. But sometimes y'all don't 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:57.959 be paying us no attention and we be thinking it's hot, 0:11:58.080 --> 0:11:59.280 and then they don't. 0:11:59.679 --> 0:11:59.959 I don't know. 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:02.520 We gotta, well, we gotta find a way to what 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:05.600 y'all said. What did you tell me? Uh that Lauryn 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:12.280 Hill said you got to add a motherfucker to So 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:15.120 y'all put a little bit of strawberry and. 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:19.640 Catch up. You gotta get a little you gotta get 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:20.599 you edible, you know what. 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:27.640 God, Sorry, No, you don't have you. Okay, all right, Okay. 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:27.840 You do it. 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:29.840 They are puffect. 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:34.640 So we're gonna find tune that stuff as well. But 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:37.360 on for today, we wanted to have a panel discussion, 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:40.560 and uh, I think that this is a good way 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:43.480 for us to wrap up the season because we have 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:46.120 individuals who will be here to talk about some of 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:48.560 the stuff that we've been working on, especially during this 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:49.440 critical time. 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:54.760 And so I'm really excited to introduce a panel of powerful, powerful. 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:57.760 Individuals to you and we will see you in the 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:06.000 next season after this interview. So we have an entire 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:09.240 panel of friends today. As I mentioned to you all, 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:13.719 we at the end of our season of TMI, our 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:18.720 newly branded podcast, our show. We've been calling it the 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:23.840 TMI Show. We're no longer the TMI podcast. We're moving 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:27.320 up in the world. And you know, at the as 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:30.319 we come to the end of this season, which has 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:32.839 been one of our best seasons, we put a lot 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:36.680 of energy into this show. We understand that in the 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:41.760 age of misinformation, it is going to be on us 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:45.480 to create content and to make sure that we have 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:50.240 information for our community where people can find facts. And 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:52.200 if we don't know, we say we don't know, and 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:54.959 we go find out. And so today we got a 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:57.200 group of people to find some things out from because 0:13:57.240 --> 0:14:00.320 they know all kind of stuff. And y'all know that 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:03.760 our friends are really important to us here at TMI. 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:07.000 So I'm excited to welcome the guests. My son, you 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:11.679 ready for the invitation of all our fabulous, fantastic guests. 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:13.680 I mean, I'm always ready. Man. 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:16.600 We happen to be aligned with some of the most 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:21.120 brilliant political and just minds in this world, so and 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:22.880 it happened to be our friends. 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:25.320 So it's good that we have the ability to. 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:27.960 Get people on the line that can speak truth to power, 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:31.120 that can break things down eloquently and with facts, because 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:32.040 that's all I'm about. 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:34.040 I ain't with the rest giving me the facts. 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:37.360 Y'all can have the you know, your opinions, and you 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:39.920 can have all the rest of the stuff. I just 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:42.400 want the facts, or the closest thing to the facts. 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:44.320 And if you don't know, then don't tell me, you know. 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:49.160 So, first of all, I want to introduce who someone 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:51.920 I consider to be my leader in many ways, as 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:56.600 Pastor Michael McBride. So yes, absolutely, I don't know why 0:14:56.600 --> 0:15:00.720 you're looking like you confuse every day, I talked to 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:04.880 Pastor Mike to just get a little bit more fine. 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:07.800 Tuning in how I approach the world. 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:11.080 Pastor McBride is a co founder of the Black Church 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:14.720 Pack and also executive director of Live Free. 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:16.680 He'll tell us a little bit more about what both 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:17.240 of those. 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:19.560 Entities do, but I can tell y'all, of all the 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:23.360 people that's doing anything, Pastor Mike is really doing it. 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:26.200 Let's just put it that way. And then we have 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:30.240 my two sisters, Teslain Figureo. Y'all know her as the 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:35.400 Hood Whisperer. She is a Revolt News correspondent. That's her 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:40.080 newest role, and I'm so excited that Revolt understood that 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:43.400 they needed you there, tas as well as the host 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:47.480 of Straight Shot No Chaser, a podcast on the Black 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:51.160 Effect podcast network, my podcast sibling. 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:51.560 As they say. 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:56.720 And then Nina Turner, the honorable Nina Turner. Make sure 0:15:56.800 --> 0:16:00.360 y'all never ever forget to add the honorable. She is 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:05.960 the founder of We Are Somebody and also leading the 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:09.880 efforts around Strike for All, And in this particular moment, 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:13.400 I would say, I would say that Nina Turner is 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:19.680 one of the most important political minds in our time 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:23.520 right like they're gonna be history books later to talk 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:28.360 about how Nina Turner knew to educate us in a 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:30.520 way that nobody else knows how to do it. You 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:36.240 talk straight, you're courageous, you're bold, and black, you super black, 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:38.600 and we love at we love at about you. So 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:41.320 we've got a great panel today. Let me just start 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:45.240 off with you, Tesla, and let me just let me 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:49.200 let me preface all of this that, as my son said, 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:50.160 everybody's talking. 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:53.640 Everybody's talking. One of the problems that I think we have. 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:56.560 I wish the Internet would just cut off sometimes because 0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:57.680 we have so many. 0:16:57.480 --> 0:16:59.920 People who believe that they are an expert. 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:03.280 And I do believe to some degree, y'all that folks, 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:08.760 they're Our lived experience does make us an expert at 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:11.399 what we experience, what we're going through, what's happening in 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:14.080 our local communities and with the people that we talk to. 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:18.119 But sometimes the information that we hear is wrapped in 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:22.040 stuff that's not factual, and that's something that we want 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:25.720 to TMI is really, really, very very careful about that, 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:28.280 and I try to be careful about it in my 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:31.439 day to day communication with people. So one of the 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:38.240 big top lines in the podcast YouTube World, is this 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:41.840 idea that we must build our own, that we must 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:47.000 take advantage of the struggles of this moment that everybody's watching. 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:50.760 People who never thought about politics, don't care none about politics. 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:53.679 They're all paying attention in this moment, and this is 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:56.480 a time where we can use that energy to build 0:17:56.520 --> 0:18:00.520 our own. We agree one hundred percent that we cannot 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:02.760 come out on the other side of this doing the 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:06.920 same things that we've been doing for the last unpteen years, 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:10.800 and we don't have new systems, new mechanisms and things 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:14.040 that we control our own. We've had a lot and 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:17.800 we lost a lot Black media. We're down to barely 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:22.600 anything in terms of networks and magazines and newspapers that 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:25.840 are flourishing that we own. So we know that some 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:28.439 of these things we've found out from these boycotts that 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:33.240 distribution is important, hugely important. How are these black businesses 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:35.760 going to get their products out there if black people 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:39.800 and others decide to turn off Target Walmart, Amazon. 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:40.520 So on and so forth. 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:45.280 But we also understand that when people say build your own, 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:49.080 it takes time to stand up a hospital in every 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:52.840 community that people can get to in five minutes from 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:54.640 their home, no matter where they live. 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:59.360 It takes time to build grocery stores and. 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:02.560 All the things things that we know the federal government 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:06.679 is responsible for federal and local government because our tax 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:10.920 dollars not handouts. We ain't asking for handouts for our 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:14.920 tax dollars are responsible for how some of those things 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:20.600 are built and maintained and the jobs that go into 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:24.240 keeping those things going and tesling. Lately, I've been hearing 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:27.359 you talk a lot about federal workers. Not only are 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:30.560 you talking about it publicly, you've been texting saying, hey, y'all, 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:33.000 we on a lot of stuff, but we ain't focused 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:35.879 on the federal workers and how this is going to 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:39.040 impact our communities. So why don't you talk about that 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:42.480 while we're building our own In that context, what do 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:45.560 we do about the workers that are losing their jobs? 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:49.640 Thank you, Tamika. I am. There's a lot of things 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:53.680 that I've organized for throughout my career, like many of us, 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:59.160 but this one particular thing, to Mika is literally disturbing 0:19:59.200 --> 0:20:05.320 me on a personal level. As you mentioned, we are entrepreneurs. 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:08.440 You know, we build our own if you will. I've 0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:14.680 won several awards for having a business a Minority Entrepreneur 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:17.000 of the Year from US Department of Commerce last year, 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:21.280 Women Who Mean Business, Orlando, Florida, forty under forty NAACP. 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:24.560 I've won awards. I've had three hundred employees. I'm saying 0:20:24.600 --> 0:20:26.680 this because it's important because as we're having this build 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:28.920 Owned conversation, a lot of people who are talking about 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:32.000 build their own, the reality is they've only had one 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:35.480 or two employees, which is the national average for most 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:38.320 black businesses. I've had up to three hundred employees signed 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:40.359 in the front of the check in Orlando, Florida, the 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:42.960 Amway Center. I say that to say I am the 0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:46.720 biggest proponent of build your Own. I also know that 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:52.320 it also took government of private partnership, public partnership in 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:56.119 order to get access, you know, to those types of contracts. 0:20:56.160 --> 0:20:59.800 It also took access to be able to have a 0:20:59.840 --> 0:21:03.080 people hire my folks. And I also know, Tamika, everybody's 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:10.200 not an entrepreneur. Everybody doesn't have the patience if you will, persistence, 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:12.359 if you will to say you know I'm gonna do 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:14.600 without health care. See, we got to really start having 0:21:14.600 --> 0:21:17.400 this conversation. Build your own means I haven't had health. 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:19.000 Care insurance for eighteen years. 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:21.400 Build your own means. There has been times one, two, 0:21:21.480 --> 0:21:24.360 three years at a time where I haven't made an income. 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:28.080 Build your own means, And since an eternity can attestify 0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:30.160 to this, when I was applying. 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:30.480 At Kroger to. 0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:35.560 Carry bags out, while I was building my own, when 0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:37.439 I was ubering in two thousand and eight, while I 0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:40.640 was building my own, while I was selling shoes at dealers, 0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:43.600 building my own, while I was selling mobile phones at 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:47.400 T Mobile, building my own. So in this moment, if 0:21:47.440 --> 0:21:49.520 we're going to educate folks on what it means to 0:21:49.560 --> 0:21:51.480 build your own, I want you to build your own, 0:21:51.880 --> 0:21:55.040 but I also want to be truthful about what it takes. 0:21:55.200 --> 0:21:57.520 The support system you may or may not have. Because 0:21:57.560 --> 0:21:59.600 I didn't have one, both my parents are in the ground. 0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:01.480 I believe you really can get it out the muscle. 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:05.400 But at the same time, what I'm finding is they're shaming, 0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:10.200 if you will, of folks who are depending upon their 0:22:10.240 --> 0:22:13.920 federal jobs. We cannot let it be remissed. I'm all 0:22:13.960 --> 0:22:16.560 about making sure the business is getting taken care of, 0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:20.280 making sure the DEI, the contracts, the target, this to that. 0:22:20.640 --> 0:22:24.320 But what is so pressing upon me is the middle class. 0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:28.879 The center of black middle class is directly in Maryland. 0:22:28.920 --> 0:22:31.320 We're not making this up. We're talking about the median 0:22:31.440 --> 0:22:35.000 income between eighty thousand and one hundred thousand off of 0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:39.280 those federal jobs. So what I'm seeing in the internet world, 0:22:39.480 --> 0:22:42.720 you know folks just talking who I believe are capitalizing 0:22:42.760 --> 0:22:45.720 on the devastation and the desperation of black folks saying 0:22:45.720 --> 0:22:47.800 we know this is a perfect time for you to 0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:50.840 stop begging for money and you need to build your own. 0:22:51.359 --> 0:22:54.560 I take personal issue with this, Tamika. My mother was 0:22:54.600 --> 0:22:57.760 sixty two years old. She did and just barrel men 0:22:57.800 --> 0:23:00.440 as I just say this and I'll give them back. 0:23:01.480 --> 0:23:03.480 Senator Turner knows this because she was with me during 0:23:03.480 --> 0:23:06.240 my time when I lost my mother. She did everything 0:23:06.280 --> 0:23:08.800 to build your own. She worked at the television station. 0:23:09.280 --> 0:23:12.520 She did she was a cosmotologist, had her own cosmetology business, 0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:15.439 had her own typing business. She typed up obituaries, she 0:23:15.520 --> 0:23:16.960 typed up church programs. 0:23:17.119 --> 0:23:18.520 She also was a notary. 0:23:18.680 --> 0:23:22.840 She also was a real estate agent. She saw herbal life. 0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:25.199 She was never on welfare. She did it all to 0:23:25.280 --> 0:23:28.040 build your own. But she also still had a job 0:23:28.480 --> 0:23:31.640 and the one thing my mother said before she passed away, tesling, 0:23:31.680 --> 0:23:34.480 If I could just get this government job, If I 0:23:34.520 --> 0:23:37.639 could just get this government job to get the benefits 0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:40.480 that I need to be able to take care of myself, Tesldan, 0:23:40.520 --> 0:23:42.840 if you just get a government job, you'll be safe. 0:23:43.000 --> 0:23:45.320 I watched my mother to making you know this in 0:23:45.359 --> 0:23:47.560 your book. I live to tell the story. Can I 0:23:47.600 --> 0:23:49.840 tell you my mother did not live to tell the story? 0:23:50.280 --> 0:23:52.560 Can I tell you that for six and seven years 0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:55.520 she sat in the house, did not want to leave 0:23:55.560 --> 0:23:58.399 the house, smoking cigarettes back to back to back to 0:23:58.480 --> 0:24:00.399 back because nobody would hire her. 0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:02.560 After the two thousand and eight financial crisis. 0:24:02.840 --> 0:24:04.679 Can I tell you that my mother said that I 0:24:04.720 --> 0:24:07.359 feel worthless because nobody wants me. 0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:08.680 What have I done? 0:24:09.119 --> 0:24:12.640 Why can nobody take my skill set and the one 0:24:12.720 --> 0:24:15.560 job that gave her the opportunity like many federal jobs 0:24:15.600 --> 0:24:17.800 and state jobs have done. We know this on record 0:24:17.800 --> 0:24:20.920 for black people was the Department of Oklahoma, the Faith 0:24:20.960 --> 0:24:24.119 based Initiative. My mother finally got a job to Meeker 0:24:24.640 --> 0:24:28.280 at sixty years old. She was diagnosed with cancer several 0:24:28.280 --> 0:24:30.359 months after that, and she said, TESLM, I've been wanting 0:24:30.400 --> 0:24:34.280 to die the last several years and finally the moment 0:24:34.680 --> 0:24:38.280 that somebody says I'm worthy enough to be a secretary 0:24:38.280 --> 0:24:40.680 for them, I find out I got eight months to live. 0:24:41.400 --> 0:24:44.040 See she didn't live to tell the story, But have the. 0:24:45.840 --> 0:24:48.119 Health care not been there, which was still inadequate by 0:24:48.119 --> 0:24:51.119 the way Medicare for all. This is what allowed my 0:24:51.160 --> 0:24:54.040 mother to be able to have the treatments so that 0:24:54.119 --> 0:24:57.040 I was able to still see my mother while she died. 0:24:57.680 --> 0:25:00.840 These are the things when that people are not understanding 0:25:01.119 --> 0:25:04.080 that the federal government was all that was willing to 0:25:04.160 --> 0:25:07.320 give her an opportunity. So when I hear people say, 0:25:08.359 --> 0:25:11.080 don't worry about it, that's what they get. They gotta 0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:13.440 come down and do like everybody else. A sixty two 0:25:13.480 --> 0:25:16.480 year old woman in articles about it right now in NPR, 0:25:16.920 --> 0:25:19.240 she was told she had ninety minutes to take her 0:25:19.280 --> 0:25:22.400 stuff out of her office. I think about my mother. 0:25:22.480 --> 0:25:24.440 To me, but what that would have devastated my mother. 0:25:24.720 --> 0:25:27.879 I think about my grandfather, retired at the post office twice. 0:25:28.480 --> 0:25:30.560 All he's ever known was being a post office. He's 0:25:30.840 --> 0:25:33.359 dead and gone. I think about my uncle, who was 0:25:33.400 --> 0:25:35.560 a waste management who was a garbage man for the 0:25:35.560 --> 0:25:39.480 city of Houston, retire twice when y'all say build their own, 0:25:39.520 --> 0:25:41.600 What was my grandfather supposed to do? Go start a 0:25:41.640 --> 0:25:44.760 post office? What was my grandfather's supposed my uncle's supposed 0:25:44.760 --> 0:25:47.320 to do, Go start his own waste management? What was 0:25:47.359 --> 0:25:49.240 my mother supposed to do for the benefits that she 0:25:49.440 --> 0:25:51.840 needed as she set up and sped up. 0:25:51.760 --> 0:25:53.159 Her half getting lung cancer? 0:25:53.640 --> 0:25:57.080 It is in critically important that we have conversations about 0:25:57.119 --> 0:25:59.840 black business, but we must talk about what is happening 0:26:00.080 --> 0:26:03.960 with these workers. Where do they transfer these skills, Where 0:26:03.960 --> 0:26:06.880 do they go into the private sector, What jobs do 0:26:06.920 --> 0:26:09.920 they get? Who will hire them? Because everybody can't be 0:26:10.000 --> 0:26:13.439 a podcaster, Everybody can't do or don't want to be 0:26:13.480 --> 0:26:16.359 in the digital space. So I feel that i'll shut 0:26:16.440 --> 0:26:19.800 up now that there's not enough conversation. Pastor Brian said 0:26:19.800 --> 0:26:21.320 it on the call the other day. You may have 0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:24.240 heard him. He said, three hundred thousand black people will 0:26:24.280 --> 0:26:27.960 be directly impacted this month alone from these federal jobs. 0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:30.640 And so I just I am trying to find ways 0:26:30.680 --> 0:26:32.960 to meet to because I don't have the answers to 0:26:33.080 --> 0:26:36.040 micro organize to get people in the room. If it's 0:26:36.040 --> 0:26:37.600 one hundred people in the room, I'm doing it at 0:26:37.640 --> 0:26:40.239 my town hall in Atlanta, one hundred people in the room. Hey, 0:26:40.280 --> 0:26:41.919 who in here know how to sew? Who in here 0:26:42.000 --> 0:26:43.520 know how to fish? Who in there know how to 0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:44.040 fix a car? 0:26:44.080 --> 0:26:44.639 Who in here know? 0:26:44.920 --> 0:26:48.120 Is that type of micro organizing that people need right 0:26:48.160 --> 0:26:50.800 now before we get the forty six million on board 0:26:50.840 --> 0:26:53.160 and build your own and have these conversations, we need 0:26:53.200 --> 0:26:55.240 twenty five people in the room, thirty people in the 0:26:55.320 --> 0:26:57.560 room that can have a rent party, that can help 0:26:57.600 --> 0:27:00.639 people have a place to stay. We are in building 0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:03.320 time like now more than ever before. And this is 0:27:03.359 --> 0:27:06.439 not a scare tactic. Everybody doesn't have a try to 0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:09.000 make I don't have my parents. I've lost twenty five 0:27:09.040 --> 0:27:12.560 members of my family. The movement has become my family. 0:27:12.960 --> 0:27:15.800 So I know everybody doesn't have that, And can we 0:27:15.880 --> 0:27:16.800 be transparent? 0:27:17.200 --> 0:27:21.280 Everybody in the movement don't have it right, all of 0:27:21.359 --> 0:27:21.680 us don't. 0:27:21.680 --> 0:27:23.920 Have you talked about it in your book? I told 0:27:23.960 --> 0:27:25.320 you two three weeks ago. I was like, girl, I 0:27:25.400 --> 0:27:27.440 wanted to come, but I couldn't afford the ticket. I'm 0:27:27.440 --> 0:27:30.479 trying to buckle down. We got to start having these 0:27:30.520 --> 0:27:33.640 real conversations on this Bill Jones concept that we're talking 0:27:33.640 --> 0:27:36.400 about because it's hard out here and people will need 0:27:36.400 --> 0:27:38.040 our support. 0:27:38.280 --> 0:27:39.440 That was long winded, but I. 0:27:39.400 --> 0:27:39.959 Know it was. 0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:40.639 It was needed. 0:27:40.720 --> 0:27:42.679 It was it was it was all the things that 0:27:42.720 --> 0:27:45.120 we've been talking about. You know, me and Test get 0:27:45.119 --> 0:27:47.480 on the text thread and we be pissed off and 0:27:47.560 --> 0:27:49.720 we go back and forth, and it's real, and I 0:27:50.080 --> 0:27:52.080 just want to say that I love you. You know 0:27:52.119 --> 0:27:53.960 what I'm saying, And whatever we gotta build, I'm gonna 0:27:53.960 --> 0:27:56.159 build with you. And you know, I understand. I'm just 0:27:56.200 --> 0:27:58.600 hear the pain in your voice. But it's it's real. 0:27:58.920 --> 0:28:01.359 And when we have these common stations with individuals and 0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:03.560 we're telling them to build their own from a place 0:28:03.640 --> 0:28:06.320 of privilege, right, when you speaking from a place of 0:28:06.320 --> 0:28:09.000 privilege because you're able to build your own, I always 0:28:09.000 --> 0:28:10.200 give this this conversation. 0:28:10.240 --> 0:28:13.040 It's like telling everybody you can be Lebron James. That's 0:28:13.080 --> 0:28:16.119 not the fact. If everybody could be Lebron James, then 0:28:16.119 --> 0:28:17.800 we wouldn't be calling him remarkable. Right. 0:28:17.840 --> 0:28:20.280 Everybody is not gonna be the best player in the NBA. 0:28:20.280 --> 0:28:22.480 Everybody ain't gonna be Michael jan So they are gonna 0:28:22.480 --> 0:28:23.280 be role players. 0:28:23.520 --> 0:28:26.480 And we and us asked if we the Lebron James. 0:28:26.480 --> 0:28:28.760 We're supposed to make sure that the role players have 0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:31.359 a seat at the table, that they have places to play, 0:28:31.640 --> 0:28:34.240 and when we diminish them and act as if we don't, 0:28:34.480 --> 0:28:36.320 if you just want a job, then there's something wrong 0:28:36.320 --> 0:28:36.520 with that. 0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:39.560 If you're going to school every day and you've studied. 0:28:39.160 --> 0:28:41.360 Because you want this career and you wanted to be 0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:43.800 in government, and there's something wrong with that. We're not 0:28:43.880 --> 0:28:46.520 having real conversations and we're not speaking to the needs 0:28:46.560 --> 0:28:48.520 and the realities of our people. So I just want 0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:50.640 to say thank you Taz for expressing it that way, 0:28:50.800 --> 0:28:52.680 because I don't think nobody else could have said it 0:28:52.680 --> 0:28:54.680 that way. I want to go to you now, Pastor 0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:57.520 Michael Brodd, and I just want you to speak about 0:28:58.000 --> 0:29:00.560 this whole Build your Own and how the Black Church 0:29:01.040 --> 0:29:03.480 has been in the lead a building your own. You 0:29:03.480 --> 0:29:06.000 know for years you've been talking about that, and even 0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:08.160 though you've talked about it and they've been doing it, 0:29:08.160 --> 0:29:09.240 it's not that easy. 0:29:09.760 --> 0:29:12.760 No, it's not that easy. And I think you know. 0:29:13.040 --> 0:29:15.920 I also want to just honor your story since the test. 0:29:16.000 --> 0:29:19.480 I hadn't heard that story before, and I appreciate you 0:29:19.560 --> 0:29:22.520 being vulnerable to share that. I pastor a bunch of 0:29:22.560 --> 0:29:25.240 black folks who have that story, and I think there's 0:29:25.480 --> 0:29:30.440 there's too much cavalier throwing around about what people should 0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:34.280 do and not enough proximity to the people who are 0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:37.320 every day trying to just make their ends meet. They 0:29:37.320 --> 0:29:41.280 don't want to be a billionaire. They want three meals 0:29:41.280 --> 0:29:44.600 to feed their children, a safe neighborhood, and a roof 0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:45.080 over the head. 0:29:45.080 --> 0:29:48.680 That's all they want. They're not trying to be billionaires. 0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:51.640 And I think some of what is happening is our 0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:59.400 people are buying the propaganda of this kind of demonizing 0:29:59.400 --> 0:30:02.440 of government as if it has not been one of 0:30:02.480 --> 0:30:07.600 the important ladders out of exclusionary poverty that we as 0:30:07.600 --> 0:30:10.600 a people. I mean, these are the fights our ancestors 0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:14.800 literally died for to have access to the wealth of 0:30:14.840 --> 0:30:19.040 this country that are housed largely in the federal reserve, 0:30:19.120 --> 0:30:22.960 the federal budget, our tax dollars. Every day we're paying 0:30:22.960 --> 0:30:26.400 into these pots of money, and every federal job is 0:30:26.480 --> 0:30:29.640 paid by our tax dollars. If we pay taxes, why 0:30:29.680 --> 0:30:33.040 should we not have access to the labor force of 0:30:33.120 --> 0:30:36.000 our tax base, And then why should we not also 0:30:36.360 --> 0:30:39.000 have the federal civil rights protection so when we want 0:30:39.040 --> 0:30:42.000 to go get capital to start a business, get capital 0:30:42.040 --> 0:30:44.200 to get a house, get capital to build a church 0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:47.800 where they're not rent lined or frozen out because racist 0:30:47.800 --> 0:30:51.480 white folk and others want to use their own biases 0:30:51.520 --> 0:30:54.480 to further lock us out of capital. It should be 0:30:54.560 --> 0:30:57.160 the conversation at the end of the day about freedom, 0:30:57.640 --> 0:30:59.680 the freedom to choose what you want to do with 0:30:59.760 --> 0:31:03.040 your life and not have yourself locked out in. The 0:31:03.040 --> 0:31:07.360 Black church, for all of its challenges, has been one 0:31:07.360 --> 0:31:13.160 of the most important anti white supremacists fighting organizations since 0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:16.240 this country started. It was founded because we were locked 0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:19.120 out of white churches and white spaces, and black freedom 0:31:19.120 --> 0:31:24.040 fighters abolitionists built institutions to ensure that black people could 0:31:24.080 --> 0:31:28.840 have land, could have resources, have schools, have businesses, and 0:31:29.000 --> 0:31:33.480 informal informal networks for two hundred, three hundred years to 0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:36.360 ensure some self determination. And I do think it's really 0:31:36.400 --> 0:31:41.800 important for us to not allow the kind of talking 0:31:41.840 --> 0:31:46.120 points of small government or the demonization of the federal 0:31:46.840 --> 0:31:51.840 infrastructure and apparatus to become the enemy of that which 0:31:51.880 --> 0:31:56.360 has literally been our lifelong struggle. Black churches, you know, 0:31:56.840 --> 0:31:59.040 employ a lot of folks as well. It's really important 0:31:59.040 --> 0:32:02.680 to say that Liverpool wages. But how many black folks 0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:05.520 have gone to college because of a black church scholarship fund. 0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:09.840 How many black people are getting paid small dollars to clean, 0:32:10.080 --> 0:32:13.760 to play music, to do daycares, on and on and 0:32:13.800 --> 0:32:16.680 on self funded stuff. But it is still not enough 0:32:16.720 --> 0:32:19.960 access to capital to actually solidify the black community. The 0:32:20.000 --> 0:32:22.360 average Black church in this country is less than seventy 0:32:22.360 --> 0:32:25.480 five members. So if you have more than one hundred 0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:28.440 and fifty members, you're in the top ten percent of 0:32:28.520 --> 0:32:30.800 Black churches in this country. We look at Jamal Bryant 0:32:30.880 --> 0:32:34.120 and Gina Stewarts and TV Jakes and all these sorts 0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:36.760 and think the average Black churches is that big and 0:32:36.880 --> 0:32:39.800 has that much access to capital resources in land and 0:32:39.920 --> 0:32:42.440 is just not the case. So you have these small 0:32:42.760 --> 0:32:46.240 mom and pop institutions that have been an anchor, but 0:32:46.360 --> 0:32:48.280 it is not enough. And this is why we have 0:32:48.360 --> 0:32:52.680 to have access to everything, access to everything, that nothing 0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:55.080 should be taken off the table in order for us 0:32:55.120 --> 0:32:58.000 to build and stabilize our communities. And this president, this 0:32:58.080 --> 0:33:02.160 administration is already signaling, if have not already done, they 0:33:02.200 --> 0:33:07.080 have stripped, removed and taken protections out that our ancestors 0:33:07.120 --> 0:33:10.000 have fought for two hundred years. Of course, I would 0:33:10.000 --> 0:33:12.480 say the Democratic Party has not been our friend, but 0:33:12.600 --> 0:33:14.760 I will also say that we must have a both 0:33:14.800 --> 0:33:18.280 and conversation because there are things that were one on 0:33:18.640 --> 0:33:22.000 our blood sweating tiers, not the Democratic Party, our bloods, 0:33:22.000 --> 0:33:24.640 wedding tears, and at the very least some of that 0:33:24.680 --> 0:33:27.880 stuff was protected. Now it's actively being stripped back. We 0:33:27.920 --> 0:33:30.800 are to join this fight from every place where we 0:33:30.840 --> 0:33:34.120 are in this country, but not loose factor freedom, the 0:33:34.160 --> 0:33:36.680 freedom of chruse, the freedom have access. That must be 0:33:36.760 --> 0:33:39.920 our rallying cry and our foundational commitment across the board. 0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:44.320 You Pa, I appreciate that that's true that a lot 0:33:44.360 --> 0:33:50.000 of black churches they hire people as well as as 0:33:50.040 --> 0:33:52.640 you said, you got the minister of music. That's where 0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:56.120 they get their extra money for the daycare or. 0:33:55.840 --> 0:33:58.640 For their family to have a little. 0:33:58.400 --> 0:34:01.680 Bit of enjoyment on the week weekends. You know, the 0:34:01.800 --> 0:34:05.120 person who cleans the church. You know the people who 0:34:05.160 --> 0:34:08.720 answer the phone on Sundays get a little fifty seventy 0:34:08.760 --> 0:34:09.560 five dollars. 0:34:09.600 --> 0:34:12.480 Like you said, it all makes up a pot. That 0:34:12.719 --> 0:34:15.319 is what people are sustaining themselves on. 0:34:15.880 --> 0:34:20.160 And I think we need all of those things. A 0:34:20.160 --> 0:34:22.839 Senator Turner, I want you to talk about some of 0:34:22.880 --> 0:34:27.359 the things that we're doing and some of the I 0:34:27.400 --> 0:34:30.319 want to say solutions, and will break down what I 0:34:30.360 --> 0:34:32.759 mean by that in the moment. But before we get there, 0:34:33.719 --> 0:34:37.480 in the build your own conversation, what we're now talking 0:34:37.520 --> 0:34:38.239 about is. 0:34:38.160 --> 0:34:40.640 People who would be at home. 0:34:41.040 --> 0:34:46.719 Right because they don't have a job their tax dollars. 0:34:46.840 --> 0:34:49.120 At that point, I guess I don't know. I mean, 0:34:49.960 --> 0:34:53.839 obviously you're gonna still pay taxes. I don't care if 0:34:54.120 --> 0:34:59.000 it comes from Medicaid and your check and matter of fact, 0:34:59.360 --> 0:35:02.560 elon must you can't have a welfare check as what 0:35:02.600 --> 0:35:05.680 do they call public assistance because you're parasite. 0:35:05.920 --> 0:35:06.720 So I'm not sure. 0:35:06.800 --> 0:35:09.480 But let's just say a person is working at a 0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:13.000 job and their taxes is they're coming out every month, 0:35:13.600 --> 0:35:15.440 and then you're still telling them. 0:35:15.360 --> 0:35:18.319 Go and build your own. The question I have for 0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:20.200 you is can they stop paying their taxes? 0:35:20.239 --> 0:35:23.359 You don't only want to hear that it was an 0:35:23.360 --> 0:35:25.400 elected official test were you ever elected? 0:35:25.719 --> 0:35:30.719 No, so you are elected official here? Can you just 0:35:30.719 --> 0:35:31.920 stop paying your taxes? 0:35:31.920 --> 0:35:35.200 Because they tell me that in the comments section every 0:35:35.239 --> 0:35:38.120 day that I need to stop paying taxes. 0:35:38.200 --> 0:35:39.960 I need to go and be something else. 0:35:40.040 --> 0:35:43.440 I guess I'm more or whatever some other thing, and 0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:47.239 I could stop paying my taxes. And then, because I'm 0:35:47.280 --> 0:35:50.000 just trying to understand, if I'm paying my taxes, how 0:35:50.040 --> 0:35:51.760 am my ware I'm supposed to get the money from 0:35:51.800 --> 0:35:54.440 to do the building my own? Do I need to 0:35:54.680 --> 0:35:57.760 strip at night? Like I'm serious too, I'm not even joking, 0:35:58.160 --> 0:35:59.719 so I could build my own. So I just want 0:35:59.760 --> 0:36:02.279 to know from you, what's the formula here to get 0:36:02.280 --> 0:36:04.400 into what these people are talking about. 0:36:04.719 --> 0:36:08.960 Well, it's certainly not paying your taxes. Uncle Sam getting 0:36:09.000 --> 0:36:10.640 his one way or the other. He will come for 0:36:10.719 --> 0:36:13.279 you eventually. It might not be overnight, but they will 0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:16.520 get you. So no, that's not an option. And just 0:36:16.560 --> 0:36:19.279 to be with this old gust panel today does my 0:36:19.320 --> 0:36:22.399 heart so much joy to be with true freedom fighters. 0:36:22.800 --> 0:36:25.280 And to my sister FIGUREO. 0:36:25.520 --> 0:36:28.520 I mean, we were on the campaign trail of Senator 0:36:28.520 --> 0:36:32.240 Bernie Sanders when she lost her mom and she didn't 0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:34.279 miss a beat. You know, I am in the lost 0:36:34.320 --> 0:36:36.879 your mama club as well. And it's a hard thing. 0:36:36.920 --> 0:36:39.399 It doesn't matter how young you are, how seasoned you are, 0:36:40.000 --> 0:36:42.320 Mama's mean a whole lot in this world. 0:36:42.600 --> 0:36:43.200 And when I. 0:36:43.160 --> 0:36:45.319 Tell you she did not miss a beat, you're talking 0:36:45.320 --> 0:36:47.920 about a true soldier. You wouldn't have never known that 0:36:48.000 --> 0:36:50.719 she lost her mom, and certainly similar what you're going 0:36:50.760 --> 0:36:55.480 through now, TDM with the loss of Mama Dukes. But 0:36:55.680 --> 0:36:58.000 I just want to lift her up because she told 0:36:58.040 --> 0:36:58.960 the absolute truth. 0:36:59.000 --> 0:36:59.200 There. 0:36:59.680 --> 0:37:01.920 Work for government jobs used to be a virtue, and 0:37:01.960 --> 0:37:04.359 we let these clowns come in here and make it 0:37:04.400 --> 0:37:06.719 something that is not. 0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:09.880 Virtuous any longer. Federal workers are public servants. 0:37:09.920 --> 0:37:12.319 They just not elected public servants, but they are the 0:37:12.560 --> 0:37:17.239 public servants. The people who work at the Veterans Affairs Administration, 0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:19.719 the people who work at that Social Security Office, you 0:37:19.840 --> 0:37:21.080 name it, the person who. 0:37:21.040 --> 0:37:22.759 Works at the Post Office, and so on and so 0:37:22.840 --> 0:37:23.520 forth those. 0:37:23.320 --> 0:37:27.759 Departments, they are public servants. And Eli must need to 0:37:27.760 --> 0:37:29.960 have several seats because he's on the government dole. 0:37:30.120 --> 0:37:32.800 He receives corporate wearfare. He is a warfare. 0:37:32.480 --> 0:37:35.160 Recipient, and we need to let the world know the 0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:38.359 difference between him and Big Mama and Big Papa, who 0:37:38.360 --> 0:37:40.719 may be receiving some assistance. 0:37:40.200 --> 0:37:41.880 Because of tax dollars. 0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:44.440 It's called a social contract that we put money in 0:37:44.480 --> 0:37:47.640 a pot But the full fledge attack that Figaro is 0:37:47.680 --> 0:37:50.799 talking about is primarily on black folks, but there will 0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:53.120 be a ripple effect for everybody else because when this 0:37:53.239 --> 0:37:57.120 nation come for black folks, contrary to popular understanding. 0:37:56.719 --> 0:38:00.960 And belief, poorer and working class people and barely making it. 0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:04.360 Middle class folks get hit too, of all backgrounds, So 0:38:04.400 --> 0:38:07.200 they need to always watch what's happening to black people. 0:38:07.200 --> 0:38:09.120 But that is how we got into the middle class, 0:38:09.320 --> 0:38:11.600 not just on the federal level, but the state level, 0:38:11.640 --> 0:38:14.760 the local level, and the regional levels of government, because 0:38:14.840 --> 0:38:19.640 our ancestors fought to make sure that that government at 0:38:19.719 --> 0:38:22.920 least would not discriminate against us in jobs. When we 0:38:22.960 --> 0:38:25.760 think about people like asum Philip Randolf, who stared down 0:38:25.800 --> 0:38:31.000 President FDR to try to desegregate it and integrate not 0:38:31.080 --> 0:38:34.800 only just the armed forces, which came by way of Truman, 0:38:35.040 --> 0:38:37.239 but what he was able to get from FDR is 0:38:37.560 --> 0:38:39.920 what you're not gonna do is discriminate. 0:38:39.520 --> 0:38:42.600 In defense industry. So black folks got higher. 0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:45.640 See, this has been a long journey since they brought 0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:48.319 a shift our behinds over here to fight for a 0:38:48.360 --> 0:38:51.359 type of equality and liberation. So we cannot allow an 0:38:51.360 --> 0:38:55.120 elon musk a President Donald J. Trump or any others 0:38:55.160 --> 0:38:56.520 of those folks to diminish. 0:38:56.840 --> 0:38:58.560 It is not normal for. 0:38:58.560 --> 0:39:00.560 Us to look at our sisters and brothers and family 0:39:00.560 --> 0:39:03.239 and friends who work for government on any level and 0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:05.880 tell them get a real job or welcome to the 0:39:05.920 --> 0:39:06.720 private sector. 0:39:06.880 --> 0:39:09.040 Why we lowering standards. We need to. 0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:12.960 Raise the private sector jobs up to the government level jobs. 0:39:13.120 --> 0:39:15.600 Black people would not be as cemented in the middle 0:39:15.600 --> 0:39:18.440 class had it not been for government jobs. And the 0:39:18.520 --> 0:39:21.480 reason why we're cemented is not by happenstance. 0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:23.560 It is because freedom fighters who came. 0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:26.640 Before us ensured that at least in one place, we 0:39:26.640 --> 0:39:28.920 weren't gonna be discriminated against. It's the place where we 0:39:28.960 --> 0:39:31.640 pay our taxes. Y'all gonna hire some black folks up 0:39:31.640 --> 0:39:44.200 in here. That is so real, So anyway that you know. 0:39:42.600 --> 0:39:46.759 It's two hundred percent right, and it's so unfortunate that 0:39:46.880 --> 0:39:50.960 our people have been brainwashed by this. They figured out 0:39:51.000 --> 0:39:53.840 a way to utilize this social media to keep telling 0:39:53.920 --> 0:39:56.719 us the same thing and make us believe that it's 0:39:56.719 --> 0:39:59.640 something wrong with us, for one, in what we deserve, 0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:03.520 what we naturally deserve. And it's such a confused thing, you. 0:40:03.480 --> 0:40:03.920 Know, passing. 0:40:03.920 --> 0:40:06.399 I want to ask you this question because I do 0:40:06.480 --> 0:40:07.640 this anti violence work. 0:40:07.680 --> 0:40:09.120 I do get violence interruption. 0:40:09.600 --> 0:40:11.920 And when we talk about these federal cuts and we 0:40:12.000 --> 0:40:14.520 talk about all these things that are going to be dismissed, 0:40:14.760 --> 0:40:19.840 you know, the Safer Communities Act, which had distributed hundreds 0:40:19.880 --> 0:40:22.520 of millions to anti violence work in the communities, has 0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:22.960 been cut. 0:40:23.120 --> 0:40:24.840 Now, how is that going to affect us? 0:40:25.120 --> 0:40:27.279 I mean, it's it's brutal. I mean, you know, we 0:40:27.560 --> 0:40:31.200 should appreciate that. All the way back in two thousand, 0:40:31.840 --> 0:40:34.200 Man was a new town. Twenty twelve, a number of 0:40:34.280 --> 0:40:39.160 US led the largest group of black directly impacted folks 0:40:39.200 --> 0:40:42.480 the gun violence inside the White House under Obama was 0:40:42.560 --> 0:40:48.720 asking for six billion dollar commitment to fund community violence 0:40:48.719 --> 0:40:52.879 intervention or urban gun violence, and Obama didn't even move 0:40:52.920 --> 0:40:54.839 on it. Biden said he wasn't going to do it. 0:40:55.239 --> 0:40:57.040 And it took us about ten years just to get 0:40:57.160 --> 0:41:00.960 legislation written called the Break the Cycle of Violence. It 0:41:01.000 --> 0:41:03.160 did not get passed, but it was put inside the 0:41:03.160 --> 0:41:06.360 Safer Communities Act, and it set aside about four hundred 0:41:06.440 --> 0:41:09.799 million dollars to ensure that we could at least get 0:41:09.840 --> 0:41:14.240 these resources jump started. We also organized about organizing about 0:41:14.280 --> 0:41:16.920 fifty cities across the country under this thing we called 0:41:17.280 --> 0:41:19.880 fund Peace, and we're able to get the America Rescue 0:41:19.880 --> 0:41:23.440 Plan dollars, the Partner of Education housing, a number of 0:41:23.560 --> 0:41:27.839 federal grant programs to be opened up for local communities 0:41:27.880 --> 0:41:31.880 to apply to do CVI work. All of that added 0:41:31.960 --> 0:41:36.120 up to help contribute to a massive reduction in gun 0:41:36.120 --> 0:41:38.880 related shootings and homicides across the country and get it 0:41:38.960 --> 0:41:42.319 back to pre COVID levels over the last five years. Now, 0:41:42.320 --> 0:41:45.960 why do I say that once the ARP funds, which 0:41:46.280 --> 0:41:50.319 pretty much of sunset it disappear in local cities, we 0:41:50.400 --> 0:41:54.319 are now left with a pre COVID level funding for 0:41:54.480 --> 0:41:57.680 Community Vice Interventions, which has been one of the most 0:41:57.800 --> 0:42:03.040 intensive workforce development program for black men, black women, some 0:42:03.120 --> 0:42:06.880 Latino folks who had criminal convictions, who come out of 0:42:07.280 --> 0:42:11.120 gangs and groups and incarceration to do peacemaking work in 0:42:11.160 --> 0:42:16.120 the community. Trump has not only been noncommittal in continuing 0:42:16.160 --> 0:42:18.839 that funding, a lot of the funding that was allocated 0:42:19.000 --> 0:42:22.960 under the Biden Harris administration has been frozen. Hundreds of 0:42:22.960 --> 0:42:25.560 thousands of dollars that was coming to our work in 0:42:25.600 --> 0:42:29.960 the Bay Area frozen. Nonprofits are closing down as we speak, 0:42:30.040 --> 0:42:33.160 because they can't make payroll because even the federal grants 0:42:33.200 --> 0:42:36.600 that we all fought hard to apply for are reimbursable grants, 0:42:36.600 --> 0:42:40.520 So that means we spent the money already waiting for reimbursements, 0:42:40.719 --> 0:42:43.600 and the Department of Treasury has frozen that under the 0:42:43.640 --> 0:42:46.959 DOGE stuff. So it is, indeed, I think, a very 0:42:47.000 --> 0:42:52.640 perilous moment in our movement for the kind of non 0:42:52.719 --> 0:42:56.520 law enforcement gun violence intervention programs grounded in public health 0:42:56.520 --> 0:42:59.360 that mice in so many in New York and Chicago 0:42:59.480 --> 0:43:03.719 and the Bay we have fought for. There is an 0:43:03.760 --> 0:43:06.839 important kind of consideration that we now have to figure out, 0:43:07.120 --> 0:43:10.600 how do we leverage our tax base locally, leverage our 0:43:10.640 --> 0:43:13.360 tax base perhaps at the state level, to try and 0:43:13.480 --> 0:43:17.000 open these resources back up, and or figure out is 0:43:17.000 --> 0:43:19.919 there a level we can push at the congressional level 0:43:19.960 --> 0:43:22.839 or even inside the White House health freezer is over. 0:43:22.960 --> 0:43:25.719 I guess maybe I don't know, Maybe he'll do something right. 0:43:26.040 --> 0:43:28.400 I don't know, But this is a donut hole in 0:43:28.440 --> 0:43:30.800 the work that has been at least fifteen years in 0:43:30.840 --> 0:43:33.080 the making, and a lot of us are trying to 0:43:33.080 --> 0:43:35.560 figure out where do we go from here. It will 0:43:35.600 --> 0:43:39.719 have a massive impact in building the infrastructure, public health, 0:43:39.800 --> 0:43:43.880 mental health, and workforce development for those numbers of individuals 0:43:43.880 --> 0:43:46.240 in our communities at the highest risk of shooting and being. 0:43:46.040 --> 0:43:48.160 Shot can asen. I want to bring you. 0:43:48.200 --> 0:43:50.200 I want you to come in and talk, but I 0:43:50.239 --> 0:43:52.680 would just want to ask you if you could speak 0:43:52.719 --> 0:43:56.759 to are we begging? I know y'all already covered it, 0:43:56.800 --> 0:43:59.560 but I'm asking you directly. Do you feel like what 0:43:59.600 --> 0:44:02.080 you just heard Past and Mike say sounds like he's 0:44:02.080 --> 0:44:04.760 begging the government to come and do something to save 0:44:04.880 --> 0:44:06.840 us what that we could do for ourselves. 0:44:07.120 --> 0:44:10.680 You know, we're accessing what we've already paid into. You 0:44:10.719 --> 0:44:12.400 know a lot of these folks who are talking about 0:44:12.600 --> 0:44:15.399 stop begging also be asking for cash apps. A lot 0:44:15.400 --> 0:44:17.560 of these folks who'll be saying stop begging also were 0:44:17.560 --> 0:44:19.319 making money off use. You know a lot of these 0:44:19.320 --> 0:44:22.280 folks who are saying stop begging, we are circulating the dollar. 0:44:22.719 --> 0:44:25.880 And it is called a private public partnership. And if 0:44:25.920 --> 0:44:27.960 you give a damn about what's happening to the least, 0:44:28.440 --> 0:44:29.880 we just got to just start naming this for what 0:44:29.920 --> 0:44:32.240 it is. If we give a damn about what's happening 0:44:32.280 --> 0:44:34.480 to the least of these, then you do care about 0:44:34.800 --> 0:44:37.960 gang intervention programs that are now being cut because of 0:44:38.000 --> 0:44:39.840 the lack of funding. If you give a damn about 0:44:39.840 --> 0:44:42.439 what's happening to your cousin that you forgot about, because 0:44:42.440 --> 0:44:45.080 we all not even six degrees separation, but three degrees 0:44:45.120 --> 0:44:48.919 separation from somebody who is hurting and who actually need 0:44:49.040 --> 0:44:51.959 with the recidivism program, with people that are coming out 0:44:52.000 --> 0:44:55.319 of prison, that actually need to be have resources to 0:44:55.360 --> 0:44:57.720 train to get jobs to have that because these build 0:44:57.760 --> 0:45:00.319 your own people are not hiring them. And again we 0:45:00.400 --> 0:45:02.520 are not against build your own, but I like to 0:45:02.640 --> 0:45:05.360 just use real testimonies, guys, because a lot of times 0:45:05.400 --> 0:45:07.239 it goes over people's head. And that's why I try 0:45:07.280 --> 0:45:10.440 to be so transparent, you know, and sharing a personal, 0:45:10.600 --> 0:45:12.640 you know, personal story so they can get it. I 0:45:12.680 --> 0:45:15.279 want to touch on a minute about the disabled and 0:45:15.360 --> 0:45:18.600 like and how this is happening with disabled because we've 0:45:18.640 --> 0:45:20.719 had a lot of conversation on DEI and people think 0:45:20.719 --> 0:45:24.360 we're just talking about somebody's pot pottery business or pots 0:45:24.360 --> 0:45:27.400 and pans and targeting. No, no, no, We're also talking about 0:45:27.640 --> 0:45:31.279 those of us who have decided to say I'm not 0:45:31.360 --> 0:45:34.160 gonna just sit home and be disabled. I'm not just 0:45:34.200 --> 0:45:36.840 gonna sit back and depend on the government. I'm actually 0:45:36.880 --> 0:45:38.279 going to go get a job. And a lot of 0:45:38.280 --> 0:45:41.040 these federal jobs have hired people because they do get 0:45:41.120 --> 0:45:43.239 incentivized to give people a federal job. 0:45:43.360 --> 0:45:44.240 Just a quick story. 0:45:44.440 --> 0:45:46.880 When after I got done building my own in Orlando 0:45:46.960 --> 0:45:49.800 with my three hundred employees, and we lost our contract 0:45:49.800 --> 0:45:53.239 in the volatile private sector, guess who hired me? 0:45:53.560 --> 0:45:55.640 In Oklahoma, I went for one year. I was a. 0:45:55.600 --> 0:45:59.680 Disability adjudicator at the Department of Oklahoma at the Social 0:45:59.680 --> 0:46:03.480 Security Administration. Tammy, my very best friend of thirty years, 0:46:04.040 --> 0:46:06.160 was able to give me a referral to get on 0:46:06.200 --> 0:46:08.759 that job. Tammy has been suffering. I'm saying this because 0:46:08.760 --> 0:46:11.279 it is so important to me. Come again, I'm tying 0:46:11.280 --> 0:46:13.759 in your book with the anxiety and depression people who 0:46:13.800 --> 0:46:16.239 have been suffering that for a very long time. My 0:46:16.320 --> 0:46:18.759 best friend can't even stand up for long periods of 0:46:18.800 --> 0:46:22.719 time because of her physical disability. The government gave her 0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:25.359 job rather than Tammy sitting at home. The same one 0:46:25.360 --> 0:46:27.000 that gave me a job went and got a job 0:46:27.320 --> 0:46:29.759 rather than her sitting at home. The government gave her 0:46:29.800 --> 0:46:32.640 an opportunity. The banks would not hire her. She couldn't 0:46:32.640 --> 0:46:35.160 get a job anywhere else now because they're now forced 0:46:35.160 --> 0:46:36.480 to come back into the office. 0:46:36.719 --> 0:46:38.440 My friend is suffering physically. 0:46:39.520 --> 0:46:42.040 She was doing an at home job, still doing the 0:46:42.080 --> 0:46:45.000 best that she could. When we talk about how this 0:46:45.120 --> 0:46:48.000 is affecting people, to the disabled, to people who were 0:46:48.040 --> 0:46:51.200 discriminated against my mother being hired at sixty years old, 0:46:51.239 --> 0:46:54.960 nobody thought she was worthy enough to meka. She wasn't 0:46:55.040 --> 0:46:56.840 that she didn't want to work. It wasn't that she 0:46:56.840 --> 0:46:59.319 didn't want to pull herself about the bootstraps. It wasn't 0:46:59.320 --> 0:47:01.160 that she didn't want to do for self, and it's 0:47:01.239 --> 0:47:04.240 do for own. These have been places where, like Senda 0:47:04.280 --> 0:47:07.480 Turner eloquently pointed out, that have had an opportunity to 0:47:07.480 --> 0:47:10.520 they otherwise would not have. And so it's just it 0:47:10.560 --> 0:47:14.480 is heartbreaking to me personally, heartbreaking to watch those who 0:47:14.560 --> 0:47:18.840 are literally going into the job with anxiety, with depression, 0:47:19.160 --> 0:47:21.320 who are now literally trying to figure out am I 0:47:21.360 --> 0:47:23.920 gonna have a job. My best friend twenty five years teacher. 0:47:23.960 --> 0:47:27.560 They've now went to four days of school, four days. 0:47:27.800 --> 0:47:29.719 Our babies are not learning what they need in. 0:47:29.680 --> 0:47:33.560 Five China's way ahead of us with education. So because 0:47:33.560 --> 0:47:34.120 of the cuts. 0:47:34.160 --> 0:47:37.399 Now with education, we got our teachers who are now 0:47:38.360 --> 0:47:41.560 working four days a week. What is her recommendation for 0:47:41.600 --> 0:47:45.319 build her own go start a new school where that 0:47:45.360 --> 0:47:50.040 takes capital. We got doctor Steve Perry starting schools. But 0:47:50.080 --> 0:47:53.239 who gonna give them the Capital's right? It requires a 0:47:53.360 --> 0:47:55.880 government partnership. This ain't begging. 0:47:56.239 --> 0:47:58.200 This is about the reality of what it takes to 0:47:58.360 --> 0:47:59.720 start a hospital. 0:47:59.280 --> 0:48:06.240 To start everybody else is doing and everybody this nation 0:48:06.360 --> 0:48:10.600 are utilizing. Look, it's a pubblic good bro. It's like 0:48:10.640 --> 0:48:13.200 we ask the black people to do something that no 0:48:13.360 --> 0:48:15.120 other group of people are being asked to do. 0:48:15.280 --> 0:48:16.319 It's ridiculous and that. 0:48:16.440 --> 0:48:19.680 And people can't say we don't have businesses because I 0:48:19.719 --> 0:48:21.440 always say we got to get. 0:48:21.400 --> 0:48:24.120 Straight on what we're putting out in the world. 0:48:24.280 --> 0:48:27.680 On one hand, we're telling folks that we don't have businesses, 0:48:27.719 --> 0:48:30.080 we can't get capital, all of that, and then on 0:48:30.120 --> 0:48:32.160 the next hand we say you gotta shop at Target 0:48:32.160 --> 0:48:33.359 because my businesses is there. 0:48:33.480 --> 0:48:37.000 Either we have the businesses all we don't. It's one 0:48:37.040 --> 0:48:37.879 thing or the other. 0:48:38.040 --> 0:48:41.560 But sit of a turn that when we talk about solutions, 0:48:41.880 --> 0:48:46.640 we know that there's no one hit that can strike 0:48:46.760 --> 0:48:49.400 all these things down at one time. There's a there 0:48:49.400 --> 0:48:52.160 are pieces we've got to build on it. But when 0:48:52.160 --> 0:48:55.760 we talk about not begging, and you hear Tesling saying 0:48:55.800 --> 0:48:59.960 that DEI is not just dee I, but it's diversity, 0:49:00.000 --> 0:49:03.600 the equity, inclusion, and the disability. People have put the 0:49:03.719 --> 0:49:07.560 A on the end, which is accessibility. So it's covering 0:49:07.719 --> 0:49:12.080 all of these things. When we hear companies that are 0:49:13.000 --> 0:49:16.120 having the audacity to debate, or. 0:49:16.040 --> 0:49:18.240 Not even debate, because I didn't even see a debate. 0:49:18.280 --> 0:49:22.760 I just saw Elon Musk, President Musk and co President 0:49:23.360 --> 0:49:28.759 Trump say diversity, equity, and inclusion out and the companies 0:49:28.840 --> 0:49:31.600 just start dropping their draws one by one by one 0:49:31.680 --> 0:49:32.520 by one. 0:49:32.640 --> 0:49:34.440 And so I want to hear you talk about the 0:49:34.520 --> 0:49:38.000 target fast because I know what happens. I've been told 0:49:38.040 --> 0:49:42.480 that a Caucasian fellow who probably had all the right reasons, 0:49:42.840 --> 0:49:45.759 put out the one day nobody buy anything. 0:49:46.239 --> 0:49:47.560 We didn't put that out. 0:49:48.320 --> 0:49:52.080 Also, there's another schedule of boycott Amazon for two weeks, 0:49:52.080 --> 0:49:53.960 and this for two weeks, and that for two weeks. 0:49:54.400 --> 0:49:57.040 We want people to enter the struggle, however they get there. 0:49:57.320 --> 0:50:00.200 But we have been very focused that we're taking in 0:50:00.440 --> 0:50:03.399 one company and looking at the impact that we can 0:50:03.480 --> 0:50:06.360 have there as a part of how we intend to 0:50:06.520 --> 0:50:10.200 use our consumer dollars to push back against all of 0:50:10.239 --> 0:50:10.760 this stuff. 0:50:10.920 --> 0:50:11.520 Why don't you. 0:50:11.560 --> 0:50:14.319 Talk about that really quickly after this, you know, maybe 0:50:14.440 --> 0:50:18.040 another question or two, one question for everybody, but please 0:50:18.239 --> 0:50:22.239 talk about that. Let us know why the target boycott 0:50:22.560 --> 0:50:25.239 and what can we look for and expect to come 0:50:25.280 --> 0:50:26.600 of it as we go forward. 0:50:27.000 --> 0:50:30.160 There's definitely power in our purchase. So people need to 0:50:30.320 --> 0:50:33.400 really understand that before I go there. Sister t just 0:50:33.440 --> 0:50:36.120 got amen, everything that was said ahead of time. When 0:50:36.160 --> 0:50:39.399 it comes to black people, this country always sacrifices us, 0:50:39.440 --> 0:50:45.080 and we know this. The original class class the original 0:50:45.200 --> 0:50:50.680 class clash was chattle slavery, all right, So for those 0:50:50.719 --> 0:50:56.040 folks who care about class over race or cast shall 0:50:56.080 --> 0:50:58.920 I say, then, they need to understand in the United 0:50:58.960 --> 0:51:01.440 States of America, the original. 0:51:01.320 --> 0:51:05.280 Class clash was chattel slavery. 0:51:05.760 --> 0:51:07.440 So when we think about the Capitol and what is 0:51:07.480 --> 0:51:10.480 old to black people and why we are not. 0:51:10.600 --> 0:51:12.800 On a level playing. 0:51:12.440 --> 0:51:15.960 Field, it is by design, it is on purpose. Policy 0:51:16.040 --> 0:51:19.640 is not immutable. So if this country really wanted to 0:51:19.719 --> 0:51:23.839 level the plan field and honor social contracts. It would 0:51:23.880 --> 0:51:26.200 have given us absolutely what it owed us, which was 0:51:26.239 --> 0:51:28.040 the forty acres and the mule, and it still can 0:51:28.080 --> 0:51:29.600 give us. They would talk a lot about the debt 0:51:29.680 --> 0:51:31.799 what is old. Well, the number one debt old in 0:51:31.840 --> 0:51:34.799 this country is reparations to those who are descendants of 0:51:34.920 --> 0:51:37.600 enslaved people. That is the number one debt that this 0:51:37.719 --> 0:51:41.040 country needs to pay. Black people would be better positioned 0:51:41.120 --> 0:51:45.040 if during the American Revolution, when the colonists were fighting 0:51:45.080 --> 0:51:47.560 for their freedom, while they were talking about give me 0:51:47.680 --> 0:51:50.960 liberty or give me death. Hello Patrick Henry, that they 0:51:51.040 --> 0:51:54.040 had in that moment of their transformation and recognizing that 0:51:54.080 --> 0:51:56.560 they didn't want to be controlled by the crown anymore, 0:51:56.719 --> 0:51:59.480 they could have set our ancestors free right then and there, 0:51:59.520 --> 0:52:02.160 and baby, we wouldn't be having this conversation most likely. 0:52:02.239 --> 0:52:04.400 But they did not do that. There is a connection 0:52:04.800 --> 0:52:07.840 to that. That is a connection to red lining, to 0:52:08.000 --> 0:52:11.880 Jim Crow, to Jane craw to the prison industrial complex, 0:52:12.040 --> 0:52:14.920 to the fact that black people have the least amount 0:52:15.040 --> 0:52:18.720 of generational wealth of any other group in the United 0:52:18.719 --> 0:52:19.680 States of America. 0:52:19.960 --> 0:52:22.759 And we built this place. So I want to put 0:52:22.800 --> 0:52:24.439 that right. If anybody talking about we need to pull 0:52:24.440 --> 0:52:25.400 ourselves up, and. 0:52:25.480 --> 0:52:29.000 We done pulled up the whole joint and still got 0:52:29.040 --> 0:52:31.680 a beg y'all to do right by us. You know, 0:52:31.719 --> 0:52:34.080 the great Bayard Rusting One said that this country never 0:52:34.120 --> 0:52:36.560 has a never will do anything. 0:52:36.280 --> 0:52:39.319 Solely for the negro. That is true when he. 0:52:39.280 --> 0:52:41.120 Said those words, and it's true today and once we 0:52:41.160 --> 0:52:42.920 as black people understand that we're. 0:52:42.760 --> 0:52:43.759 Gonna maneuver this thing. 0:52:43.880 --> 0:52:46.000 There's a book I want to recommend called Faces at 0:52:46.000 --> 0:52:49.920 the Bottom of the Well written by a great constitutional attorney, 0:52:49.960 --> 0:52:52.080 by Derek Bell, who just laid it out that this 0:52:52.160 --> 0:52:55.000 country always gonna be like this. But he didn't say 0:52:55.040 --> 0:52:56.959 we should not resist. And that's what this is about. 0:52:56.960 --> 0:52:59.520 It's about setting the record straight and resistant. Part of 0:52:59.560 --> 0:53:04.040 that resists is to boycott Target. Our target and is 0:53:04.120 --> 0:53:07.200 Target because the CEO at the time that George Floyd 0:53:07.280 --> 0:53:10.520 was murdered came out there and said all the right things, 0:53:10.560 --> 0:53:12.759 which is that could have been one of my employees. 0:53:13.080 --> 0:53:16.000 Because this has happened, this is my obligation. This is 0:53:16.040 --> 0:53:18.600 what I am going to do as the leader of Target. 0:53:18.800 --> 0:53:21.840 We're going to spend two billion dollars over five years 0:53:21.840 --> 0:53:23.960 with the black community. 0:53:23.440 --> 0:53:25.279 He said that specifically, and not just. 0:53:25.280 --> 0:53:29.600 Associates and stores, but also people who provide contracts. For example, 0:53:29.640 --> 0:53:32.359 you can retrofit a Target store that kind of thing 0:53:32.680 --> 0:53:35.239 two billion dollars over five years, and he said he 0:53:35.320 --> 0:53:38.880 was going to increase the internal workforce of black people 0:53:38.960 --> 0:53:42.160 inside those Target stores. He did that, and that was 0:53:42.200 --> 0:53:44.080 the right thing to do and the right thing to say. 0:53:44.160 --> 0:53:45.680 I happen to believe that you can do well and 0:53:45.760 --> 0:53:47.759 do good at the same time. Now, what we come 0:53:47.800 --> 0:53:51.080 to find in twenty twenty five, under the auspices of 0:53:51.160 --> 0:53:56.080 now president and president Shadow President Eli Musk, is that 0:53:56.520 --> 0:54:00.239 CEOs liked this one at Target wasn't obligated to it 0:54:00.280 --> 0:54:02.640 in the first place, because if they were obligated to it, 0:54:02.680 --> 0:54:05.600 they wouldn't be so quickly to your point, when did 0:54:05.640 --> 0:54:07.360 they have a meeting and say that they weren't committed 0:54:07.400 --> 0:54:07.680 to it. 0:54:07.880 --> 0:54:08.520 You wouldn't be. 0:54:08.480 --> 0:54:12.880 So quickly uncommitted if you were, in fact committed to 0:54:12.960 --> 0:54:16.240 the fact that diversity, equity and inclusion means something. 0:54:16.320 --> 0:54:18.080 It doesn't even benefit black folks the most. 0:54:18.120 --> 0:54:22.760 Hello, somebody, it benefits white women more than any other group. 0:54:23.040 --> 0:54:25.280 However, it's a path. 0:54:25.960 --> 0:54:29.840 So as we we are somebody until freedom of pastor 0:54:29.920 --> 0:54:33.080 Jamal Brian is involved in this. So many others are 0:54:33.120 --> 0:54:36.680 like setting the stage for this boycott of target. 0:54:36.680 --> 0:54:36.960 We got. 0:54:37.000 --> 0:54:40.200 Boycotts have to be specific and they came in until 0:54:40.200 --> 0:54:42.040 we get what we want. So why I salute the 0:54:42.080 --> 0:54:44.160 folks who went on the twenty four hour boycott. 0:54:44.600 --> 0:54:45.439 The thing is. 0:54:45.440 --> 0:54:47.600 I want we want people to get involved, come in 0:54:47.680 --> 0:54:50.080 where you fit in. We also want them to join 0:54:50.239 --> 0:54:53.560 this because if I'm doing a twenty four hour boycott, hell, 0:54:53.600 --> 0:54:57.080 I'm gonna buy my stuff either before or after. What 0:54:57.200 --> 0:55:01.400 is the long term impact to do these businesses so 0:55:01.440 --> 0:55:03.279 that they know we not playing games. If we can't 0:55:03.320 --> 0:55:07.640 move politicians because they answer to their owner donors, then 0:55:07.680 --> 0:55:10.920 we got to deal with the owner donors. Target and 0:55:10.960 --> 0:55:15.600 picking one specific entity right now because we know the 0:55:15.760 --> 0:55:18.960 others gets us what we need to be able to 0:55:19.000 --> 0:55:22.160 fight the others. It is likened to the Montgomery bus boycott. 0:55:22.520 --> 0:55:26.520 They didn't boycott every place in Montgomery that wasn't doing 0:55:26.560 --> 0:55:30.320 black folks right. They picked one target for three hundred 0:55:30.360 --> 0:55:34.120 and eighty one days, sacrifice life, physical life, and limb. 0:55:34.360 --> 0:55:36.880 At least in the twenty first century, we got more options. 0:55:36.880 --> 0:55:39.239 We're just telling people boycott Target, but they can go 0:55:39.280 --> 0:55:41.760 to some of these other places and get what they need. 0:55:41.920 --> 0:55:44.600 And then to roll that into what Pastor Jamal Brian 0:55:44.719 --> 0:55:48.160 is doing, which is the Target fast from ash Wednesday 0:55:48.520 --> 0:55:52.000 to Easter, over one hundred thousand people, which he got 0:55:52.000 --> 0:55:55.440 those sign ups to say we will not shop at Target. 0:55:55.719 --> 0:55:58.919 We're asking people to make a sacrifice, and God help 0:55:59.000 --> 0:56:01.800 folks that just can't make this. This is very easy 0:56:02.000 --> 0:56:04.520 sacrifice when the people who came before us, and some 0:56:04.560 --> 0:56:07.920 of them are still walking this earth, made sacrifices that 0:56:07.960 --> 0:56:10.479 are more deeper than what we could ever make. 0:56:10.719 --> 0:56:13.160 And then you got, well I was gonna call them mofos. 0:56:13.560 --> 0:56:18.800 You got people who don't even have enough intestinal fortitude. 0:56:18.840 --> 0:56:21.200 To just just just don't go to Tark. 0:56:21.560 --> 0:56:26.840 But we pushing, were pushing. Nevertheless, we're gonna make an example. 0:56:27.080 --> 0:56:27.600 I want to. 0:56:27.640 --> 0:56:29.080 I want to say this just for the Dude for 0:56:29.120 --> 0:56:33.040 the Self community, because I I it would be disingenuous 0:56:33.080 --> 0:56:36.200 if I did not mention this. I did have a conversation, 0:56:36.560 --> 0:56:38.920 you know, one of our brothers that is leads this 0:56:39.040 --> 0:56:39.960 Dude for Self, you. 0:56:39.920 --> 0:56:40.600 Know, conversation. 0:56:40.640 --> 0:56:42.520 I won't say his nagas he's not here to you know, 0:56:42.600 --> 0:56:46.560 give his own retort, but I will say that we 0:56:46.680 --> 0:56:49.719 did have a very robust conversation, and I think more 0:56:49.760 --> 0:56:54.279 conversations like this needs to happen to me because he 0:56:54.360 --> 0:56:56.840 did explain to me his position that he was not 0:56:57.000 --> 0:56:59.719 against the things that we're talking about, and I did 0:56:59.760 --> 0:57:02.480 have I did think he was. I did, you know, 0:57:02.640 --> 0:57:05.840 And he told me it's not against understanding the politics 0:57:05.840 --> 0:57:07.840 and protests are very much a part of it, but 0:57:07.880 --> 0:57:11.600 he's talking about a long term vision and he talks 0:57:11.640 --> 0:57:12.440 a lot about. 0:57:12.200 --> 0:57:14.160 Local politics, and so I just told him, you know, 0:57:14.719 --> 0:57:15.200 I would. 0:57:15.000 --> 0:57:18.000 Appreciate if you maybe figure out a way to include 0:57:18.000 --> 0:57:20.640 it in your conversation, because it's being taken as if 0:57:20.880 --> 0:57:23.000 you know, you're not considering those things. And he said, 0:57:23.000 --> 0:57:24.480 you know, those are not the things that I that 0:57:24.520 --> 0:57:26.880 I'm an expert on, and I said, and I respect that, 0:57:27.600 --> 0:57:29.520 But he did say he was talking about a long 0:57:29.640 --> 0:57:30.720 term plan to do for self. 0:57:30.760 --> 0:57:32.640 Community talks about a long term plan, and I said, 0:57:32.680 --> 0:57:33.080 I get that. 0:57:33.120 --> 0:57:35.200 I respect that, but I'm talking about what's going on 0:57:35.240 --> 0:57:40.080 April first, literally April first. So I think I know 0:57:40.160 --> 0:57:42.720 that this conversation is helpful. I think we need more 0:57:42.800 --> 0:57:45.640 of it. I've invited him to come to my platform 0:57:45.720 --> 0:57:49.920 to continue it with, whether it's Instagram, live platform, no platform, 0:57:50.080 --> 0:57:50.880 you know, whatever it is. 0:57:50.920 --> 0:57:51.600 I think these. 0:57:51.400 --> 0:57:54.560 Conversations are important because those of us who really are 0:57:54.600 --> 0:57:56.640 committed to this the right way, I think it's going 0:57:56.720 --> 0:57:59.120 to show up. We're gonna see in this moment who 0:57:59.160 --> 0:58:01.720 really about black people and who's really not. So I 0:58:01.760 --> 0:58:05.320 do want to take leadership to me because I tapped 0:58:05.360 --> 0:58:07.200 into her leadership because you know, normally I ain't got 0:58:07.240 --> 0:58:10.200 nothing on it, but I tapped into Tumika's leadership this week, 0:58:10.400 --> 0:58:13.080 and I did hold the space to at least try 0:58:13.080 --> 0:58:17.160 to hear, you know what, what I'm misunderstanding. And so 0:58:17.280 --> 0:58:20.160 I think as we continue to have this may maybe 0:58:20.200 --> 0:58:22.200 I'm not understanding what y'all mean when y'all saying do 0:58:22.320 --> 0:58:24.360 for self, because we getting real confused on this side. 0:58:24.480 --> 0:58:26.920 So I did have the conversation, and I think we 0:58:27.000 --> 0:58:29.960 need more of it because we are not against nobody 0:58:30.000 --> 0:58:33.600 not being successful or a millionaire or I am not 0:58:33.680 --> 0:58:36.880 pushing people just being complacent. But to respect to what 0:58:37.000 --> 0:58:40.600 pastor Mike said, not everybody has the same ambition, right, 0:58:40.840 --> 0:58:42.600 and that's what we recognized that. 0:58:42.960 --> 0:58:45.720 And I think it feeds into this capitalist mondste right 0:58:46.120 --> 0:58:48.479 that separates us. When you do for self, it doesn't 0:58:48.480 --> 0:58:50.720 mean you're doing for us right, because I don't want 0:58:50.720 --> 0:58:52.720 it like as a leader, as someone who wants to 0:58:52.760 --> 0:58:55.200 see better for my community, better for all of us. 0:58:55.240 --> 0:58:57.160 I don't want to do for self. I do for self. 0:58:57.360 --> 0:58:59.440 I never had a problem doing for self. But when 0:58:59.440 --> 0:59:01.680 I look at the majority of my people and understand 0:59:01.880 --> 0:59:04.120 that they're not gonna be in rooms, They're not gonna 0:59:04.160 --> 0:59:06.120 have opportunities that I have. They're not gonna have the 0:59:06.120 --> 0:59:08.880 same luck that I've had to get into spaces and 0:59:09.080 --> 0:59:11.480 acquire things that I've acquired, I know that I have 0:59:11.560 --> 0:59:13.720 to provide and fight for them to be able to 0:59:13.760 --> 0:59:16.440 survive in the ways that they are capable of surviving. 0:59:16.680 --> 0:59:19.360 That's what leadership looks like for me. I don't understand 0:59:19.360 --> 0:59:22.800 the mentality of do for self because that what it does. 0:59:22.880 --> 0:59:25.120 It pits me against you. If I gotta do for self, 0:59:25.240 --> 0:59:27.240 then I gotta make sure that I do better than you. No, 0:59:27.560 --> 0:59:29.480 I wanna do for me so I can make sure 0:59:29.480 --> 0:59:31.320 that we're all good. I want to do us to 0:59:31.400 --> 0:59:34.680 do as a unified front. And I think that's that 0:59:34.800 --> 0:59:37.600 messaging for me is confusing I don't. I never think 0:59:37.600 --> 0:59:40.200 about myself when I think about this, because I'm gonna 0:59:40.200 --> 0:59:43.200 always survive the way I've always survived. I Dodne, lost 0:59:43.400 --> 0:59:45.960 million dollar record deals, came home from jail, figured it out, 0:59:46.040 --> 0:59:48.160 got it out the mud. I'm gonna get it somewhere 0:59:48.240 --> 0:59:50.640 like my kids is gonna eat. I like nice things. 0:59:50.680 --> 0:59:51.920 I'm gonna figure out how to get it. But I 0:59:52.040 --> 0:59:55.000 understand the majority of our people don't have that reality. 0:59:55.240 --> 0:59:57.640 So when we have in those conversations and if we 0:59:57.800 --> 1:00:00.800 and we're talking about being leaders and from a position 1:00:00.840 --> 1:00:02.840 of leaders, then we have to speak to our people 1:00:03.320 --> 1:00:05.320 on the same level that they are and try to 1:00:05.320 --> 1:00:06.600 bring them to where we are. 1:00:07.000 --> 1:00:09.680 But it's say, when they tell you what you just 1:00:09.720 --> 1:00:12.120 need to tell everybody to just step it up. 1:00:12.160 --> 1:00:13.880 They should want more. What is your answer? 1:00:14.000 --> 1:00:16.240 My answer to that is that, like I said about everything, 1:00:16.280 --> 1:00:19.240 everybody is not gonna be Lebron James, everybody ain't gonna 1:00:19.280 --> 1:00:21.920 be Kobe Bryant, right, And the understanding that we were 1:00:22.000 --> 1:00:24.120 on a team, and if I know that I'm a leader, 1:00:24.120 --> 1:00:26.200 if I know that the skill set and the reality 1:00:26.240 --> 1:00:28.800 of my situation is not everybody's, then I have to 1:00:28.840 --> 1:00:31.640 play a team team ball with them. I gotta make 1:00:31.640 --> 1:00:34.400 sure that I provide a shot for the two guard 1:00:34.440 --> 1:00:36.840 who can create his own shot. The center ain't gonna 1:00:36.880 --> 1:00:39.320 be able dribble the ball like he can't do old things. 1:00:39.320 --> 1:00:41.200 I gotta make sure I throw alley you to him. 1:00:41.280 --> 1:00:44.480 That's what leadership is, That's what teamwork does, is understanding 1:00:44.600 --> 1:00:47.240 the deficiencies and the skill set of everybody else and 1:00:47.280 --> 1:00:49.960 providing opportunities and way for them to be able to score. 1:00:51.160 --> 1:00:53.080 I just can I just quickly say to you know, 1:00:54.640 --> 1:00:58.240 the insidious part of this whole conversation about do it 1:00:58.280 --> 1:01:04.840 for yourself being like injected as a delegitimizing of the 1:01:04.960 --> 1:01:09.560 effort to stay federal jobs, to me, has to be 1:01:09.640 --> 1:01:12.800 called out as a co intel protactic. I know that 1:01:12.840 --> 1:01:16.280 it may not be the intent of some folk, but 1:01:16.840 --> 1:01:20.439 we who know history have to acknowledge that black folk 1:01:20.520 --> 1:01:24.400 have always been attempting to do for ourselves, and they're. 1:01:24.960 --> 1:01:25.760 We built stuff. 1:01:25.880 --> 1:01:29.000 We built. 1:01:30.320 --> 1:01:36.000 Look, whenever we built Black Wall Street, whenever we built 1:01:36.040 --> 1:01:41.680 anything that was black wealth centered, the US government literally 1:01:41.800 --> 1:01:46.280 burned to the ground, bombed, sent white vigilantes and mobs. 1:01:46.640 --> 1:01:49.360 So so the idea that you can just create something 1:01:49.480 --> 1:01:53.280 that's that's just by black people for black people. If 1:01:53.360 --> 1:01:57.480 we don't have federal civil rights protections at work to 1:01:57.640 --> 1:02:01.040 protect us from the violence of white vigilantes, doing for 1:02:01.080 --> 1:02:05.919 yourself is not enough without the protection that we all 1:02:06.000 --> 1:02:08.080 our ancestors fought for to make sure that when we 1:02:08.120 --> 1:02:10.840 do do for ourselves, we are not redline, we are 1:02:10.840 --> 1:02:14.240 not victims of predatory lending and capital and all these 1:02:14.240 --> 1:02:16.400 other kind of things. And so the conversation has to 1:02:16.400 --> 1:02:19.840 be expanded. And I would also say it, since it 1:02:19.960 --> 1:02:23.640 is the case that the largest growth of the middle 1:02:23.680 --> 1:02:26.760 class black middle class is for federal jobs, should that 1:02:26.840 --> 1:02:29.640 not be seen as a positive for. 1:02:29.640 --> 1:02:30.440 The do it yourself? 1:02:30.560 --> 1:02:32.800 No, no, no, no, pastor Mike. 1:02:32.800 --> 1:02:34.160 And the reason why, I'm just gonna go ahead and 1:02:34.240 --> 1:02:36.400 name it like I get it as a counter pro tech. 1:02:36.640 --> 1:02:38.720 But some of this is just bottom line jealousy. Let's 1:02:38.760 --> 1:02:40.600 just name it for what it is. And I'm just 1:02:40.600 --> 1:02:42.600 talking about the miserable people in the comments. I'm not 1:02:42.640 --> 1:02:45.520 talking about the grand scheme of things. Yeah, you know, 1:02:45.600 --> 1:02:48.800 the bigger thing, I just because I try to That's 1:02:48.840 --> 1:02:50.320 why I say I'm the hood with I try to 1:02:50.360 --> 1:02:53.800 talk to every lane and what to be honest, with. 1:02:53.800 --> 1:02:54.720 You, pastor Mike. 1:02:55.000 --> 1:02:57.200 The people in the comments that are saying, uh, yep, 1:02:57.240 --> 1:02:59.480 come back down here with us. Some of the oh yeah, 1:02:59.480 --> 1:03:01.280 the bou leg oh yeah, they just said all those 1:03:01.320 --> 1:03:03.760 kind of Some of these people again in the comments, 1:03:03.840 --> 1:03:06.800 are just simply jealous that that cousin went and got 1:03:06.840 --> 1:03:10.960 a degree, went and got a job, went and made more, 1:03:11.360 --> 1:03:15.720 and was able to leave a level of poverty, never 1:03:15.760 --> 1:03:17.919 look back. Maybe they didn't give a cousin two hundred 1:03:17.920 --> 1:03:19.960 dollars five out, whatever it is. And some of this 1:03:20.160 --> 1:03:22.920 just bottom line jealousy. There are some people that have 1:03:23.160 --> 1:03:26.120 records that did not esponge the record figure out another 1:03:26.160 --> 1:03:28.120 way to change their life around, like my soigns. So 1:03:28.160 --> 1:03:30.480 they get bad at my son because he's elevated himself 1:03:30.480 --> 1:03:32.480 on different level. Some of this ain't even that complicated 1:03:32.480 --> 1:03:34.800 as no counter, but its just bottom line. I want 1:03:34.800 --> 1:03:37.160 to see you do bad because I'm doing bad. And 1:03:37.240 --> 1:03:39.800 we have to name that very clear, because what I 1:03:39.880 --> 1:03:42.480 like to remind people is America is a hierarchy. 1:03:42.520 --> 1:03:44.800 Baby. So if these people are. 1:03:44.680 --> 1:03:47.760 Coming down where you are, guess what's gonna happen to you. 1:03:47.760 --> 1:03:50.760 You're gonna go further. See the high argument. You're gonna 1:03:50.760 --> 1:03:53.160 go further down. We are in a race to the bottom. 1:03:53.440 --> 1:03:56.400 So if the qualified multiple. 1:03:56.000 --> 1:03:57.880 Degree, master's degree, have him. 1:03:57.720 --> 1:04:00.360 Self, whoever it is, they got the government job, that 1:04:00.440 --> 1:04:02.240 now they got to come to the warehouse where they 1:04:02.280 --> 1:04:05.120 gonna be the supervisor. And that means whatever supervisor job 1:04:05.200 --> 1:04:06.960 you want it because again, at the end of the day, 1:04:07.040 --> 1:04:09.960 is still based on skilled education, experience. 1:04:09.480 --> 1:04:10.000 All of that. 1:04:10.160 --> 1:04:12.680 We are in a hierarchy system. Now you're gonna be 1:04:12.720 --> 1:04:15.919 pushed out of your job, sirs and ma'ams, and you're 1:04:15.960 --> 1:04:18.960 gonna be in a lower position. So there is this 1:04:19.040 --> 1:04:22.040 conversation pastor might between the have and the have nots. 1:04:22.200 --> 1:04:24.240 The town's are tenth in this the bulet that you 1:04:24.280 --> 1:04:25.640 can look at my comments when I put it in 1:04:25.640 --> 1:04:27.640 and say, oh, that's right, the bulet all the people 1:04:27.640 --> 1:04:30.000 crying about these federal jobs. Is the bulet too bad? 1:04:30.000 --> 1:04:31.520 They're gonna have to figure it out. They gotta come 1:04:31.560 --> 1:04:33.920 down here with the rest of us. Okay, sir, I'm 1:04:33.960 --> 1:04:36.240 agreeing you're gonna be put out your position as well. 1:04:36.280 --> 1:04:38.480 And I'm not saying it's not count of protelle. I 1:04:38.480 --> 1:04:40.960 know it's still the same tactics, but for some people 1:04:40.960 --> 1:04:44.439 it's very very Now look at you. Now you're gonna 1:04:44.440 --> 1:04:47.240 suffer like me, and misery loves company, and I love 1:04:47.320 --> 1:04:49.800 to see people take a loss. I worked a federal job, 1:04:49.840 --> 1:04:52.600 and I didn't like it for me because federal jobs 1:04:52.800 --> 1:04:55.680 they typically promote you based on tenure and all of that. 1:04:55.720 --> 1:04:57.920 I like to be I like the private sector. 1:04:58.120 --> 1:05:00.560 But for many people, people are j us that people 1:05:00.560 --> 1:05:02.560 have had those opportunities past the mike, and they just 1:05:02.560 --> 1:05:04.440 don't want to see people do well. That's just the 1:05:04.520 --> 1:05:06.880 honest true. These are the same people that celebrate any 1:05:06.920 --> 1:05:09.800 time somebody take a loss. They're the first ones pointing 1:05:09.880 --> 1:05:13.600 now out of booboo because they're they're they're they're thriving 1:05:13.640 --> 1:05:16.200 off of resentment, and they have folks that follow them 1:05:16.200 --> 1:05:18.320 that thrive and feed off of that same type of 1:05:18.360 --> 1:05:18.800 red meat. 1:05:19.880 --> 1:05:21.840 Yeah, I agree with you. 1:05:22.000 --> 1:05:24.800 When I say cortel pro I'm meaning the tactic to 1:05:24.920 --> 1:05:28.880 divide us, to ensure that we can't get the momentum 1:05:29.000 --> 1:05:32.560 necessary to win over the long haul. I'm not suggesting 1:05:32.600 --> 1:05:35.720 that somebody sitting in the federal government like yeah, but 1:05:36.080 --> 1:05:37.800 it's just the tactic to divide. 1:05:37.840 --> 1:05:39.360 They're more sophisticated. 1:05:39.440 --> 1:05:41.720 They don't have to, but they don't need it anymore 1:05:41.760 --> 1:05:44.280 because we're doing it to ourselves. You know, the box 1:05:44.320 --> 1:05:47.680 that being my comments, it's amazing, Like I know, I 1:05:47.800 --> 1:05:49.800 know that they send them there to my comments. It 1:05:49.800 --> 1:05:52.440 don't even make no sense because it's no reason for 1:05:52.480 --> 1:05:54.360 you to be here because me and y'all don't think 1:05:54.400 --> 1:05:54.960 nothing alike. 1:05:55.360 --> 1:05:57.320 So it's no need for y'all to have one hundred 1:05:57.320 --> 1:05:59.120 comments or something. What's ironic to me? 1:05:59.200 --> 1:06:01.400 If you have a job and you're solidly in a 1:06:01.400 --> 1:06:04.520 black middle class, would you not have more liquid income 1:06:04.600 --> 1:06:06.840 to buy from a to it for yourself? 1:06:06.840 --> 1:06:11.920 That's what most people do me all man. My best 1:06:11.920 --> 1:06:15.520 friend started his store. He started, you know, he started 1:06:15.520 --> 1:06:18.640 selling clothes out his trunk. He started selling hats. He 1:06:18.680 --> 1:06:21.560 opened the store, and he worked for the transit every night. 1:06:21.720 --> 1:06:24.080 He get his benefits. He put his money into the store, 1:06:24.280 --> 1:06:26.640 and he about to open another restaurant, but he said, 1:06:26.640 --> 1:06:27.680 I'm gonna keep this job. 1:06:27.760 --> 1:06:28.920 Though. 1:06:31.600 --> 1:06:34.080 We're making the assumption, yeah, we're making the assumption that 1:06:34.160 --> 1:06:36.200 some of these people really want people to do for themselves. 1:06:36.240 --> 1:06:38.480 You know, like when you say, well, wouldn't that we 1:06:38.600 --> 1:06:41.000 have more access to buy more product? These people A 1:06:41.040 --> 1:06:42.440 lot of these people are talking they don't have no 1:06:42.520 --> 1:06:43.320 products to sell. 1:06:44.040 --> 1:06:45.880 They want to sit. You know what I'm saying, We 1:06:45.960 --> 1:06:48.680 acting like that's the real motivation. I'm talking to that group. Now, 1:06:48.720 --> 1:06:50.920 we all talking to different groups. I'm talking to. 1:06:50.920 --> 1:06:53.520 The bottom line, jealous bottom line. They don't have no 1:06:53.640 --> 1:06:56.760 business to sell. They're not trying to free up no capital, 1:06:56.760 --> 1:06:58.880 so perp. They just spoken. 1:06:58.960 --> 1:07:00.240 That's it. They just bottom lie. 1:07:00.520 --> 1:07:03.680 Everybody's gonna sell T shirts, everybody's not gonna sell hats, 1:07:03.680 --> 1:07:05.480 and everybody's gonna start no damn podcast. 1:07:05.480 --> 1:07:07.200 And that's why we and that's why we need our 1:07:07.240 --> 1:07:11.960 brothers who are not that to understand that they feeding that. 1:07:11.960 --> 1:07:14.440 That's why we love y'all and y'all can't feed that 1:07:14.480 --> 1:07:16.800 because they can't wait. They just want they want to 1:07:16.840 --> 1:07:19.600 see us drown anyway. So when you say that, they 1:07:19.800 --> 1:07:23.280 utilize that as ways to tear us down and to 1:07:23.400 --> 1:07:25.600 feed into the negativity. So that's why I just having 1:07:25.600 --> 1:07:27.720 a conversation. I'm like, brother, we don't kind of agree 1:07:27.720 --> 1:07:31.000 about everything, but don't utilize. Don't let these people utilize 1:07:31.000 --> 1:07:33.080 you to try to bring us all down at the 1:07:33.120 --> 1:07:36.160 same time because they utilizing your mentality of being an 1:07:36.320 --> 1:07:39.080 entrepreneur and maybe because you don't know. Maybe you don't 1:07:39.160 --> 1:07:42.320 understand that you're not politically savvying that, and in that regard, 1:07:42.440 --> 1:07:45.920 you don't understand what boycotts and what the diversity equity 1:07:45.920 --> 1:07:49.000 inclusion actually mean to the majority of people. Since you 1:07:49.080 --> 1:07:50.920 don't know it, they don't make it seem as if 1:07:50.960 --> 1:07:53.919 that's something wrong, right, because they're gonna utilize you. They're 1:07:53.920 --> 1:07:56.880 gonna keep tagging me that you said this and oh 1:07:57.040 --> 1:07:59.160 such and said I'm not here to go through that. 1:07:59.320 --> 1:08:01.320 I'm especially with you because me and you are not 1:08:01.400 --> 1:08:01.840 my equal. 1:08:01.880 --> 1:08:04.240 You know, I debate with my equals everybody else I teach, 1:08:04.440 --> 1:08:06.000 and I don't even feel like I want to teach 1:08:06.040 --> 1:08:07.880 you because you don't want to be taught. You just 1:08:07.920 --> 1:08:11.200 want to be you know, control oppositions. I just want 1:08:11.200 --> 1:08:13.640 our brothers to understand don't let them use you. 1:08:14.520 --> 1:08:16.880 But I want to call time. I thank y'all so 1:08:17.000 --> 1:08:18.719 much for coming. 1:08:18.520 --> 1:08:20.360 In because we be here O day. I'm just. 1:08:23.520 --> 1:08:23.640 Now. 1:08:24.720 --> 1:08:26.559 I want I want to I want y'all to come 1:08:26.600 --> 1:08:28.920 back the next time we invite y'all. 1:08:29.439 --> 1:08:31.559 But I do want to say that, you. 1:08:31.520 --> 1:08:34.240 Know, I hear you test and I appreciate and I've 1:08:34.320 --> 1:08:38.200 had many conversations with many of our brothers and Sistern, 1:08:38.600 --> 1:08:43.320 who said, well, you know, I'm not necessarily well versed 1:08:43.320 --> 1:08:47.000 in that area. And also, that's not what I'm saying. 1:08:47.520 --> 1:08:50.200 And so if people took it that way, that's on them, 1:08:50.200 --> 1:08:51.599 because that's not what I'm saying. 1:08:51.800 --> 1:08:52.000 Right. 1:08:52.760 --> 1:08:55.640 One of the things that I learned is, you know, 1:08:55.680 --> 1:08:59.760 when I made the statement about Kamala Harris, I was 1:09:00.200 --> 1:09:05.000 by TMZ, do you think that Kamla Harris can become president? 1:09:05.040 --> 1:09:07.920 This is once she was the nominee or once they 1:09:07.920 --> 1:09:12.200 were elected Biden Harris, and they said. The TMZ person 1:09:12.280 --> 1:09:15.759 asked me, well, do you believe that she will become president? 1:09:15.800 --> 1:09:19.719 Because most vice presidents ascend to the president to seat, 1:09:19.880 --> 1:09:20.679 or at least they tried. 1:09:21.760 --> 1:09:23.920 And I said, well, I don't know. 1:09:24.000 --> 1:09:26.240 I said, you know, racism is terrible, I said, but 1:09:26.360 --> 1:09:31.479 sexism can be worse. And when I said that, it 1:09:31.600 --> 1:09:36.240 went out that Tamika Mallory has said sexism is worse 1:09:36.280 --> 1:09:38.960 than racism. And I don't know, maybe my words was 1:09:39.000 --> 1:09:41.280 a little different or whatever, but that was my point. 1:09:41.360 --> 1:09:46.639 Sexism is worse. And I was speaking because I knew 1:09:46.680 --> 1:09:49.080 I was talking about a black woman. So it's not 1:09:49.160 --> 1:09:53.320 like I'm saying white women, the sexism for white women 1:09:53.800 --> 1:09:57.080 is worse than the racism for all black people. 1:09:57.560 --> 1:09:59.960 My point was that as. 1:10:00.000 --> 1:10:03.240 A black person, you already got some sahi t you 1:10:03.280 --> 1:10:05.439 gotta deal with, and then when you add on top 1:10:05.479 --> 1:10:07.960 of it that she's a woman, now, that creates a 1:10:07.960 --> 1:10:11.639 whole other another layer of disrespect, so on and so 1:10:11.720 --> 1:10:15.320 forth challenges. But I noticed that a lot of people 1:10:15.560 --> 1:10:19.760 heard that what I said, they heard it a certain way, 1:10:20.439 --> 1:10:23.479 and so I have to take responsibility for the fact 1:10:23.479 --> 1:10:26.439 that I need to be real clear very much. So 1:10:26.600 --> 1:10:28.519 what I learned from U test I hear you talk, 1:10:28.800 --> 1:10:30.800 you break down all the points. You don't really let 1:10:30.880 --> 1:10:33.680 people cut you off. You make sure that and and 1:10:34.320 --> 1:10:36.680 you will not just be clear about it, but you 1:10:36.800 --> 1:10:40.920 repeat the same things, sometimes ten times until people get 1:10:40.960 --> 1:10:42.280 it right. 1:10:42.320 --> 1:10:42.680 You do it. 1:10:42.680 --> 1:10:43.320 That's what you do. 1:10:44.280 --> 1:10:47.320 And because I didn't do that, I left it open 1:10:47.479 --> 1:10:51.040 that even people who respect me and love me were 1:10:51.120 --> 1:10:54.280 contacting me like yo, what you were saying here because 1:10:54.320 --> 1:10:55.040 I didn't get it. 1:10:55.400 --> 1:10:58.120 So we are responsible for what we put in the universe. 1:10:58.640 --> 1:11:03.360 And if you see that your words is creat are 1:11:03.400 --> 1:11:06.600 are creating a certain type of response. 1:11:06.760 --> 1:11:09.080 You got to do better. In the way in which 1:11:09.120 --> 1:11:12.439 you communicate. So if you don't know that what you're 1:11:12.479 --> 1:11:17.360 doing is making it seem like institutions are the elder 1:11:17.479 --> 1:11:21.639 institutions have been diminished, or you are diminishing their value. 1:11:21.760 --> 1:11:24.920 If you don't realize that that's what you're doing, you 1:11:25.000 --> 1:11:27.439 have to fix that. But I believe that people are 1:11:27.479 --> 1:11:30.120 real clear on what they're doing, and what is happening 1:11:30.280 --> 1:11:33.000 is that the rest of us are seeing it and 1:11:33.120 --> 1:11:36.880 speaking out about it. And as a result, now it 1:11:36.960 --> 1:11:39.599 becomes well, that's not really what I'm trying to say, 1:11:39.640 --> 1:11:41.400 and I'm not this, that and the third. So I 1:11:41.439 --> 1:11:44.200 can't get I can give but so much grace because 1:11:44.240 --> 1:11:46.200 this has been going on with a lot of our 1:11:46.280 --> 1:11:47.960 people that are out there. 1:11:48.000 --> 1:11:51.320 They have influence online, podcaster, this, that, and the third. 1:11:52.040 --> 1:11:56.040 They continuously say things that is a dig. 1:11:56.120 --> 1:12:01.000 At the institutions and the organizations and the efforts of 1:12:01.080 --> 1:12:03.240 our people of the past. And I just want to 1:12:03.280 --> 1:12:07.479 say for this, for today, nothing that anybody is talking 1:12:07.560 --> 1:12:10.760 about is a new strategy or a new idea. 1:12:10.960 --> 1:12:12.880 Build your own. We already did that. 1:12:13.280 --> 1:12:17.559 Invest in community, we did that Montgomery bus boycott. They 1:12:17.600 --> 1:12:21.080 had Uber before Uber was created. Because how you think 1:12:21.120 --> 1:12:23.960 they got bull of them. People shuffled back and across 1:12:24.000 --> 1:12:28.599 the think across the city. Meanwhile, they didn't even have 1:12:28.720 --> 1:12:30.960 cell phones to be able to do it. We've done 1:12:30.960 --> 1:12:34.240 all of this stuff before. What I think would be 1:12:34.400 --> 1:12:37.800 would benefit us best is that every time we get 1:12:37.840 --> 1:12:41.280 an opportunity in a platform to speak, rather than calling 1:12:41.320 --> 1:12:45.000 out what somebody else didn't do, what's your plan? That's it, 1:12:45.720 --> 1:12:48.479 Just tell us this is what we want need to do. 1:12:48.880 --> 1:12:51.400 Here's where you need to put your money, this is 1:12:51.439 --> 1:12:53.439 how we're gonna do it. And if you are asked 1:12:53.439 --> 1:12:56.880 about institutions, oh, they did a great job with their 1:12:57.040 --> 1:12:59.240 in their time. But we are evolving this thing. We 1:12:59.400 --> 1:13:01.960 kicking it up to the next level, and we're using 1:13:02.000 --> 1:13:05.320 some of the wisdom of the past in order to 1:13:05.439 --> 1:13:09.000 inform how we move forward. That to me is an 1:13:09.080 --> 1:13:12.960 honest leader. I think it is disingenuous and it is 1:13:13.000 --> 1:13:17.040 extremely harmful to our community when we look at all 1:13:17.080 --> 1:13:18.960 of where why are we sitting here today? 1:13:19.040 --> 1:13:22.160 It's because we built it. I mean Senator Turner already 1:13:22.200 --> 1:13:25.719 said that we built this entire thing. So to say 1:13:25.760 --> 1:13:26.960 that we got. 1:13:26.880 --> 1:13:31.080 Lazy or we dropped the ball, no, we wouldn't even 1:13:31.160 --> 1:13:33.439 be sitting here talking about any of this if it 1:13:33.439 --> 1:13:35.720 were not for the hard work of people who came 1:13:35.760 --> 1:13:39.559 before us. And I just say, Mama Dukes in her honor. 1:13:39.920 --> 1:13:43.040 She was one of those who built her own, helped 1:13:43.080 --> 1:13:47.760 to build the NAACP, put young people in college, so 1:13:48.080 --> 1:13:51.080 many young people she fought for to She done paid 1:13:51.240 --> 1:13:56.080 light bills, she done paid college tuition, and she helped 1:13:56.080 --> 1:13:58.760 to organize some of the most powerful institutions that have 1:13:58.840 --> 1:14:01.640 done so much to help us in our community. 1:14:01.760 --> 1:14:03.519 So rest in peace to her. 1:14:04.160 --> 1:14:07.640 And I ain't never heard my ever walk around downing 1:14:07.680 --> 1:14:10.120 what anyone else has done. She only just took the 1:14:10.160 --> 1:14:12.559 time to focus on building what she was doing. But 1:14:12.600 --> 1:14:14.719 we also, to me, we got to add an extra 1:14:14.800 --> 1:14:17.280 slice of an extra challenge up what's the plan in 1:14:17.320 --> 1:14:20.680 the next sixty days? Because what I learned when I 1:14:20.680 --> 1:14:22.680 did my show the other day and he came in 1:14:22.720 --> 1:14:24.760 with these big plan they love talking about what's such 1:14:24.760 --> 1:14:27.680 and such road and such and such book and the 1:14:27.760 --> 1:14:30.080 great this said that no, no, no, no, no, you know, 1:14:30.120 --> 1:14:31.240 I cut folks off, tell. 1:14:31.120 --> 1:14:32.320 Me what we've just do on April. 1:14:32.320 --> 1:14:35.200 First, Let's narrow this scope a little bit, because when 1:14:35.200 --> 1:14:37.840 we ask what's the plan the answer usually is twenty 1:14:37.880 --> 1:14:38.479 thirty years. 1:14:38.560 --> 1:14:40.360 We gotta do this, we gotta do that, we gotta 1:14:40.360 --> 1:14:41.719 get forty six men on board together. 1:14:41.800 --> 1:14:43.840 Let's let's challenge it a little bit and let's talk 1:14:43.840 --> 1:14:46.160 about what you're gonna do the next thirty days. The 1:14:46.200 --> 1:14:49.240 next thirty days, I already know, like you said, nothing's new. 1:14:49.240 --> 1:14:52.280 We already know do this, build on infrastructure, circulate the 1:14:52.360 --> 1:14:55.040 dollar we need to be No, just tell me what 1:14:55.080 --> 1:14:56.280 are we gonna do, because I can tell you what 1:14:56.280 --> 1:14:59.160 I'm doing March thirtieth. I tell what I'm doing April first, 1:14:59.200 --> 1:15:01.040 I tell what I got on April fifteenth. 1:15:01.160 --> 1:15:03.080 Let's just talk about what we're gonna do right now. 1:15:03.320 --> 1:15:05.920 And you'll notice that when you ask that, not just 1:15:05.960 --> 1:15:09.120 what's your plan in the next thirty days, homie, what 1:15:09.160 --> 1:15:11.719 you're doing the next third day, you'll notice there's no answer. 1:15:12.240 --> 1:15:13.599 There's absolutely no answer. 1:15:13.800 --> 1:15:15.760 So let's let's let's step it up a little bit 1:15:15.840 --> 1:15:18.599 and ask for the next ninety day plan, and then 1:15:18.640 --> 1:15:20.360 let's circle back in ninety days and let's do a 1:15:20.400 --> 1:15:23.360 review and let's see where everybody's staying with it, because 1:15:23.400 --> 1:15:25.280 this is how we have to start moving moving forward. 1:15:25.320 --> 1:15:28.479 We just got to start doing report cards, cards, moving forward, soul. 1:15:30.560 --> 1:15:31.920 And let's put im table. 1:15:32.320 --> 1:15:34.200 I love y'all so much. Thank you. This has been 1:15:34.240 --> 1:15:35.200 a wealth of knowledge. 1:15:35.280 --> 1:15:39.200 This episode being at the end of our season gets 1:15:39.320 --> 1:15:41.639 us kicked off for the next season the right way 1:15:41.680 --> 1:15:42.719 because this graduation. 1:15:43.200 --> 1:15:45.240 Y'all winning y'all dope season two. 1:15:45.280 --> 1:15:49.000 Congratulations, Congratulations to you guys. Shout out to Black Effect 1:15:49.040 --> 1:15:53.439 Podcast Network. Charlemagne had the vision to build your own 1:15:54.560 --> 1:15:57.200 five years in the game, all of us we started 1:15:57.280 --> 1:15:58.800 right at the beginning of the tooth. I don't mean 1:15:58.800 --> 1:16:00.200 take over there, but I got a shout out. We 1:16:00.240 --> 1:16:02.360 got to shout out Charlemagne, who had the ideal when 1:16:02.400 --> 1:16:04.840 they said, oh, well, why you partner with our heart? Well, 1:16:05.120 --> 1:16:07.599 many of those people that said you should just build 1:16:07.640 --> 1:16:10.000 joe own one hundred percent, guess what, they started networks 1:16:10.000 --> 1:16:12.479 and their networks and not standing today. So there has 1:16:12.520 --> 1:16:16.879 to be something said about partnership, partnering with other entities 1:16:17.080 --> 1:16:20.920 to get black voices out. Fifteen sixteen creators that go 1:16:21.000 --> 1:16:23.840 out every week, three hundred episodes strong. I've done for 1:16:23.920 --> 1:16:26.000 five years. I know y'all have just as many as 1:16:26.000 --> 1:16:29.160 the same that actually putting this content out. Building our 1:16:29.200 --> 1:16:32.320 own never stopping our voice, not one time if somebody 1:16:32.320 --> 1:16:34.160 told me you can't say this, and you can't say that. 1:16:34.360 --> 1:16:36.799 We have absolutely been able to be on the largest 1:16:36.840 --> 1:16:41.000 audio platform in America and don't nothing get more build 1:16:41.040 --> 1:16:41.560 your owning that. 1:16:41.760 --> 1:16:42.559 So shout out to you. 1:16:42.640 --> 1:16:45.920 Congratulations guys for being my podcast siblings on the Black 1:16:45.920 --> 1:16:46.840 and Fed podcast. 1:16:47.200 --> 1:16:51.519 I Love you, Love you Pasting night. Thank you so too. 1:16:55.680 --> 1:16:58.040 That was an excellent panel, you know, and I knew 1:16:58.040 --> 1:17:01.040 it would be because the brilliant minds and people who 1:17:01.080 --> 1:17:04.280 just have perspectives that are elite, you know. 1:17:04.840 --> 1:17:06.760 And and Tessant really touched me. 1:17:06.760 --> 1:17:06.920 You know. 1:17:06.960 --> 1:17:08.200 I speak to Testant all the time. 1:17:08.280 --> 1:17:11.559 Tessnan't and me are in chat messages and text messages 1:17:11.560 --> 1:17:13.720 all the time, and whenever something goes on, she will 1:17:13.760 --> 1:17:15.920 send me a screenshot. But like look, and then we 1:17:16.000 --> 1:17:17.479 go back and forth, and then we go in the 1:17:17.479 --> 1:17:19.200 in and it because we don't just we don't just 1:17:19.240 --> 1:17:21.320 be talking to each other. We take we take our 1:17:21.360 --> 1:17:22.280 gripes to the internet. 1:17:22.640 --> 1:17:22.840 You know. 1:17:22.960 --> 1:17:25.200 She'll tell me when she got a gripe with the situation, 1:17:25.320 --> 1:17:27.880 she go right on the internet and then she'll send 1:17:27.880 --> 1:17:29.559 me something that piss me off. And the next thing 1:17:29.600 --> 1:17:32.360 I know, I do them posted about it, so you know, 1:17:32.439 --> 1:17:33.559 that's my sister right there. 1:17:33.600 --> 1:17:37.040 So with just hearing her passion and just understanding. 1:17:36.720 --> 1:17:39.720 The severity of where you know, this federal situation is, 1:17:39.960 --> 1:17:43.320 and her speaking that passionately about it, like you always 1:17:43.320 --> 1:17:45.880 hear her speak passion, but I never seen her get 1:17:46.560 --> 1:17:49.280 teary eyed, you know, speaking about a situation that was 1:17:49.280 --> 1:17:50.880 that personal for us. So you know, I just want 1:17:50.920 --> 1:17:53.240 to send our love for her for being that transparent 1:17:53.640 --> 1:17:57.240 and and choosing our platform to even have that conversation. 1:17:57.760 --> 1:17:58.200 I love it. 1:17:58.240 --> 1:18:02.639 I appreciate it as well. And I was say that Teslin, 1:18:02.760 --> 1:18:06.800 as she said, she built her own right, and we 1:18:06.840 --> 1:18:10.800 built our own from nothing. We started this podcast. We 1:18:10.840 --> 1:18:14.360 didn't have a Black Effect deal when we started. We 1:18:14.720 --> 1:18:17.880 made it to Black Effect because they saw what we 1:18:17.880 --> 1:18:19.559 were doing by. 1:18:19.439 --> 1:18:22.360 Ourselves with nothing. Shout out to Patrick. 1:18:22.880 --> 1:18:25.080 Had to give her a lot of respect because she's 1:18:25.200 --> 1:18:28.800 one that noticed us and you know, believed in us 1:18:28.800 --> 1:18:32.000 and gave us the space. But we've been producing our 1:18:32.040 --> 1:18:35.360 own podcast even before we joined Black Effect, which God 1:18:35.520 --> 1:18:38.680 thanked God they came and bless them, and my Lord. 1:18:38.439 --> 1:18:39.280 Thank you Jesus. 1:18:40.040 --> 1:18:42.240 It was hard to do on our own and it's 1:18:42.280 --> 1:18:47.360 still a struggle. It's still a struggle. But also, you know, 1:18:47.439 --> 1:18:52.040 we have businesses I haven't worked for, and I've never 1:18:52.200 --> 1:18:53.719 really worked for white folks. 1:18:54.040 --> 1:18:57.800 I've never I always worked for somebody that built their own. 1:18:58.920 --> 1:19:03.519 Law firm, supermarket was the Latino community built their own 1:19:04.080 --> 1:19:09.080 that I haven't worked yet. The supermarket that was the Latinos, 1:19:09.120 --> 1:19:10.040 they built their own. 1:19:10.560 --> 1:19:12.720 I worked for Macy's in nineteen ninety four. That was 1:19:12.760 --> 1:19:15.599 the last time I had a job that we didn't 1:19:15.640 --> 1:19:16.479 build their own. 1:19:16.680 --> 1:19:17.840 Yeah. 1:19:16.960 --> 1:19:21.920 The law firm that I worked for, Michael Hardy, Shert 1:19:21.920 --> 1:19:23.160 Wiggan Hardy. 1:19:23.040 --> 1:19:24.880 They built their own. Okay. 1:19:25.280 --> 1:19:29.439 Then I went to Nan National Action Network built its own. 1:19:30.040 --> 1:19:32.400 So I don't know. That's all I know. 1:19:32.840 --> 1:19:37.439 But my parents who gave me an opportunity. Both of 1:19:37.520 --> 1:19:42.800 them collected a check from school servants, and they the 1:19:42.840 --> 1:19:45.519 ones that put me in a position to be able 1:19:45.560 --> 1:19:46.400 to build my own. 1:19:46.720 --> 1:19:48.400 So this all makes perfect sense to me. 1:19:50.120 --> 1:19:52.000 And I'm not you know, I'm not gonna let anybody 1:19:52.000 --> 1:19:53.320 make us think we're crazy. 1:19:53.360 --> 1:19:54.599 But we oh, we ain't crazy. 1:19:54.640 --> 1:19:57.479 Man, speaking to thinking own, this is pretty much my 1:19:57.680 --> 1:19:59.519 I don't get it of the day. You know, I 1:19:59.640 --> 1:20:02.000 wanted to and It's something I heard a couple of 1:20:02.040 --> 1:20:05.439 weeks ago, you know, and I hear this a lot, 1:20:05.520 --> 1:20:07.720 you know, Shout out to doctor Umar's who's somebody I 1:20:07.720 --> 1:20:08.360 actually respect. 1:20:08.439 --> 1:20:09.679 I think he's a brilliant man. 1:20:10.000 --> 1:20:13.320 Sometimes he says things that throws me off, and then 1:20:13.360 --> 1:20:15.840 sometimes he says things but I feel like he hits it. 1:20:15.840 --> 1:20:16.320 On the mark. 1:20:16.840 --> 1:20:19.200 But this one right here was something that I had 1:20:19.240 --> 1:20:22.640 to speak of because these are two situations that I 1:20:22.680 --> 1:20:26.040 personally were involved in. You know, he was talking about gatekeeper. 1:20:26.040 --> 1:20:30.479 Shout out to my Sarah. Sarah, the kid who is 1:20:31.080 --> 1:20:36.400 from the Bronx and he's a rapper and he has 1:20:36.640 --> 1:20:39.040 a podcast, and he was talking to Doctor Umar, and 1:20:39.080 --> 1:20:43.080 Doctor Umar was talking about black gatekeepers, and you know, 1:20:43.120 --> 1:20:45.479 he mentioned a lot of names, and all of them 1:20:45.520 --> 1:20:47.920 I couldn't, you know, speak up because I don't really 1:20:48.000 --> 1:20:51.000 know their situation. But he talked about jay Z and 1:20:51.040 --> 1:20:56.320 then he's talked about Ben Crump. So yeah, he said 1:20:56.360 --> 1:20:59.000 that jay Z was a gatekeeper based on what happened 1:20:59.040 --> 1:21:02.000 with callan kappening. And he said, you know, jay Z 1:21:02.360 --> 1:21:05.760 took a deal with the NFL and Kulin Kapernick never 1:21:05.800 --> 1:21:09.120 got his job back, you know, and being on the 1:21:09.120 --> 1:21:12.280 front line of that situation, being out there in front 1:21:12.320 --> 1:21:17.719 of the NFL protesting Forkalent Cappenick, fighting for kaln Kaepernick, 1:21:17.960 --> 1:21:21.959 being and having knowledge of actually went on. Count Kaepernick 1:21:22.000 --> 1:21:25.080 had filed a lawsuit against the NFL and then had 1:21:25.120 --> 1:21:28.880 a settlement with a non disclosure. Nobody knows what the 1:21:28.920 --> 1:21:32.600 settlement was. Nobody knows what happened at that point. It 1:21:32.800 --> 1:21:35.800 quieted the reality of what was going on with the protests. 1:21:36.240 --> 1:21:38.000 Those of us who are on the front line didn't 1:21:38.000 --> 1:21:40.360 even know what was going on. We couldn't even fight 1:21:40.439 --> 1:21:42.680 no more. We were trying to fight, but there was 1:21:42.720 --> 1:21:45.360 no more account Kaepernick. And that's just the reality. I 1:21:45.360 --> 1:21:48.479 don't know what we're on behind the scene. I can't 1:21:48.520 --> 1:21:50.479 tell you why, but I just tell you that a 1:21:50.479 --> 1:21:52.840 lot of us were confused, you know. So what jay 1:21:52.920 --> 1:21:55.880 Z did was after that situation. Now, whatever him and 1:21:55.960 --> 1:21:59.120 jay Z had a personal situation, I can't speak to that. 1:21:59.439 --> 1:22:02.760 But Jay's is he in the NFL deal was not 1:22:03.880 --> 1:22:07.040 hindering what Kelan Kaepernick had going on with the NFL, 1:22:07.760 --> 1:22:07.960 you know. 1:22:08.000 --> 1:22:09.759 And that's just my p Well. 1:22:09.840 --> 1:22:13.200 You and I have debated this many times. We've debated 1:22:13.240 --> 1:22:19.160 it many times. I I feel like, yes, Colin may 1:22:19.280 --> 1:22:24.360 have reached the settlement with the NFL, but there was 1:22:24.439 --> 1:22:30.479 still a lot of energy in the fight because it 1:22:30.520 --> 1:22:33.879 got bigger than that. People started talking about domestic violence 1:22:33.960 --> 1:22:37.880 issues and lack of ownership with black folks of the 1:22:38.320 --> 1:22:43.559 different teams, like it grew beyond that. What happened, in 1:22:43.600 --> 1:22:48.880 my opinion, was that Colin in many ways kind of 1:22:49.360 --> 1:22:53.360 stepped away to do his own thing. He was really quiet. 1:22:53.439 --> 1:22:56.240 There was no real coordination. In fact, I brought this up. 1:22:56.320 --> 1:22:58.640 I write about this in my book, that there was 1:22:58.760 --> 1:23:00.280 no real coordination. 1:23:01.000 --> 1:23:03.920 Unfortunately, the way that people operate in. 1:23:03.960 --> 1:23:08.439 Movements is that most people want the person who is 1:23:08.520 --> 1:23:12.080 the family of the victim or the person who was 1:23:12.200 --> 1:23:15.639 harmed or whatever they want to see them. They feel 1:23:15.640 --> 1:23:19.759 like they could get behind messaging that's coming from that person. 1:23:20.120 --> 1:23:24.200 You said that it was because after the settlement, Colin 1:23:24.280 --> 1:23:27.640 kind of had no choice but to accept the agreement 1:23:27.680 --> 1:23:31.240 and whatever the terms was. I don't know, perhaps it was, 1:23:31.520 --> 1:23:34.840 but what I noticed from behind the scenes was that 1:23:35.600 --> 1:23:36.360 and maybe. 1:23:36.040 --> 1:23:37.960 That was the beginning of it, is. 1:23:37.920 --> 1:23:40.880 That there were a lot of changes happening and a 1:23:40.960 --> 1:23:44.760 lot of energy or lack of energy. 1:23:44.920 --> 1:23:48.320 That was unsaid to the public. 1:23:48.640 --> 1:23:50.680 So it's a lot of things that people do not 1:23:50.840 --> 1:23:53.920 even know what's happening. And I witnessed some of it. 1:23:54.200 --> 1:23:56.439 You witnessed some of it. A lot of us witness 1:23:56.520 --> 1:23:58.880 different things. So I don't think that Jay was being 1:23:58.920 --> 1:24:02.479 a gatekeeper, but I do think that people had the 1:24:02.560 --> 1:24:07.160 right to question and feel a way when they were 1:24:07.200 --> 1:24:10.440 in the middle of being like the NFL is canceled 1:24:10.640 --> 1:24:14.320 and then all of a sudden, j comes out with 1:24:14.439 --> 1:24:17.120 a deal with the NFL. 1:24:17.840 --> 1:24:20.759 What I have been saying is that the. 1:24:20.640 --> 1:24:24.920 Resources that they received are part of the deal that 1:24:24.960 --> 1:24:29.719 they made. Absolutely went to grassroots efforts around the country. 1:24:29.760 --> 1:24:31.719 I know it for sure. We saw the numbers. 1:24:32.160 --> 1:24:35.320 We know whether it was Parchment Prison or if it 1:24:35.360 --> 1:24:38.280 was Kansas City, Kansas, other things. 1:24:38.000 --> 1:24:40.120 That we've done. Breonna Taylor. 1:24:40.640 --> 1:24:46.360 They invested the folks, our people, the Crutcher Foundation and 1:24:46.400 --> 1:24:49.920 the family there had resources that they were able to 1:24:49.960 --> 1:24:52.120 get to do work in Tulsa, Oklahoma. 1:24:52.880 --> 1:24:54.120 And the list goes on. 1:24:54.200 --> 1:24:57.479 A Carmen President in the Gathering for Justice, The list 1:24:57.520 --> 1:24:59.920 goes on and on and on. The ACLU working on 1:25:00.080 --> 1:25:02.520 some of the cases of people who have been vindicated 1:25:02.600 --> 1:25:06.920 and freed they took money from the NFL and applied 1:25:06.960 --> 1:25:11.559 it and put it towards grassroots groups and other groups 1:25:11.560 --> 1:25:14.960 that are doing things that we all claim we care about. 1:25:15.160 --> 1:25:17.160 So I don't know if I would call a gatekeeper, 1:25:17.400 --> 1:25:19.799 but I know that the way in which everything happened 1:25:19.800 --> 1:25:23.080 in the beginning, when the outside world is unaware of 1:25:23.120 --> 1:25:26.760 what's going on, it can definitely seem as though some 1:25:26.800 --> 1:25:28.160 funny business went down. 1:25:28.439 --> 1:25:31.280 But I think for me, I think what I'm saying 1:25:31.320 --> 1:25:34.519 is this and I'm not saying it doesn't seem what 1:25:34.560 --> 1:25:38.040 I'm saying is my personal just based off what I 1:25:38.040 --> 1:25:40.760 ain't know about the situation. Jay Z was not involved 1:25:41.040 --> 1:25:43.880 to silence the voice of account of Cappin. Jay Z 1:25:44.000 --> 1:25:48.040 didn't get involved in silence because that's what gatekeepers didn't, Okay, 1:25:48.080 --> 1:25:49.599 So that's what I'm trying to say. Jay Z got 1:25:49.600 --> 1:25:51.840 involved with Kala Kaepernick, and he took a knee with him, 1:25:51.840 --> 1:25:54.920 he wore his jersey, he said that we don't need 1:25:54.960 --> 1:25:58.040 to be in NFL. Was he was there to support 1:25:58.120 --> 1:26:01.000 count of Kaepernick. I think that based on what the 1:26:01.080 --> 1:26:03.400 knowledge that I have, because I was there to support 1:26:03.439 --> 1:26:05.839 Klein Kaepernick, I boycotted the NFL. 1:26:06.240 --> 1:26:08.439 I said that I wasn't doing all these things. And 1:26:08.479 --> 1:26:09.960 I think that after. 1:26:10.120 --> 1:26:14.439 Whatever the settlement was with Kalan Kaepernick, a lot of 1:26:14.479 --> 1:26:15.680 us were left confused. 1:26:15.800 --> 1:26:17.960 Now, I don't know if that was jay Z's situation. 1:26:17.680 --> 1:26:19.640 Maybe he had a different situation, but I know a 1:26:19.640 --> 1:26:22.240 lot of us on the front line were frustrated because 1:26:22.240 --> 1:26:24.679 we didn't know what was going on. All we heard 1:26:24.800 --> 1:26:28.280 was that there was a settlement, and then whatever direction 1:26:28.400 --> 1:26:29.559 that Kinen decided to. 1:26:29.520 --> 1:26:30.559 Go in, it wasn't. 1:26:30.800 --> 1:26:33.040 It wasn't on the same course that we were moving on, 1:26:33.160 --> 1:26:36.640 and we were sacrificing. I was literally sacrificing things that 1:26:36.720 --> 1:26:39.360 I didn't even have the sacrifice. So at that point, 1:26:39.479 --> 1:26:42.519 when he said that jay Z gate Keep and count 1:26:42.560 --> 1:26:45.320 of Kapniy didn't get to get his job, I said 1:26:45.320 --> 1:26:49.559 to myself, if I sue my job right and I 1:26:49.640 --> 1:26:52.400 come with a settlement in a non disclosure, they're not 1:26:52.439 --> 1:26:55.040 going to let me work there. Again, that's just not 1:26:55.120 --> 1:26:58.519 how this works. That's just not how it works. 1:26:58.520 --> 1:26:58.920 Different. 1:26:59.000 --> 1:27:03.040 That's that I agree with you about that, and that's 1:27:03.080 --> 1:27:03.959 my whole situation. 1:27:04.960 --> 1:27:07.400 I kind of feel like history is going to have 1:27:07.479 --> 1:27:08.400 to tell this story. 1:27:08.600 --> 1:27:10.280 I mean, history would have to tell me I'm just 1:27:10.479 --> 1:27:13.160 I'm telling my story just based off somebody who was 1:27:13.360 --> 1:27:18.280 out there advocating, who was a starch advocate for Klean Kaepernick. 1:27:18.560 --> 1:27:22.440 I was everything Klen Kapepernick, and I've seen how it unfolded, 1:27:22.680 --> 1:27:25.320 and I just want I personally will not allow people 1:27:25.400 --> 1:27:28.040 to say something that I think is false without me 1:27:28.080 --> 1:27:31.000 giving my perspective from being in there. I do not 1:27:31.080 --> 1:27:34.040 believe that jay z Gate kept that situation. I think 1:27:34.080 --> 1:27:36.439 that in the situation when he looked and seeing that 1:27:36.479 --> 1:27:38.200 there was a settlement and people were moving in a 1:27:38.200 --> 1:27:41.400 different direction and there wasn't no cohesiveness, he figured out, 1:27:41.439 --> 1:27:44.400 how do I maximize on the situation and be able 1:27:44.439 --> 1:27:47.040 to benefit black people the best that I can. And 1:27:47.080 --> 1:27:49.680 That's just my perspective. And now I'll move on to 1:27:49.720 --> 1:27:51.280 the next person because I want. 1:27:51.160 --> 1:27:51.680 To get to that. 1:27:51.920 --> 1:27:55.000 He talked about Ben Crump being Crump is somebody that 1:27:55.040 --> 1:27:58.320 I know personally who works with these families, who puts 1:27:58.520 --> 1:28:01.760 so much into it. I've never seen get Bankrump Gate 1:28:01.880 --> 1:28:05.639 keep anything. I watched Bankrupt's sacrifice. He does the best 1:28:05.680 --> 1:28:08.879 business or. He is a civil lawyer. 1:28:09.240 --> 1:28:09.800 He does not. 1:28:12.000 --> 1:28:15.960 Defense attorneys, not a prosecutor. He can't prosecute these cases. 1:28:16.240 --> 1:28:19.080 Only thing he can do is take the cases and 1:28:19.120 --> 1:28:22.640 make sure these people are paid for them being the 1:28:22.680 --> 1:28:25.160 civil injustice that they get. 1:28:25.240 --> 1:28:26.639 That's the only thing he can do. 1:28:26.920 --> 1:28:29.320 So when he speaks about Ben Trump saying how can 1:28:29.360 --> 1:28:32.639 he gate keep anything, I've never watched gate bank. 1:28:32.439 --> 1:28:35.200 Trump quiet anybody. I watched Ben Crump. 1:28:34.880 --> 1:28:37.240 Go out there and speak for the families and say, 1:28:37.280 --> 1:28:39.519 this is the worst thing we've ever seen. These people 1:28:39.560 --> 1:28:42.680 need to be compensated. The person needs to be prosecuted 1:28:42.720 --> 1:28:45.160 to the fullest extent of the law. So those are 1:28:45.160 --> 1:28:47.479 two people that he made a statement on that I 1:28:47.520 --> 1:28:49.599 just wanted to say that I didn't understand it. 1:28:49.640 --> 1:28:51.680 I didn't get it, and I didn't believe that. 1:28:51.680 --> 1:28:54.479 It was it was warranted that he made those statements 1:28:54.479 --> 1:28:56.240 about those two individuals. 1:28:57.640 --> 1:29:00.519 Okay, I mean I I you know how I feel 1:29:00.520 --> 1:29:03.160 about Ben's so I don't know. I would love to 1:29:03.200 --> 1:29:08.000 hear more about what he thinks Ben has done to 1:29:08.080 --> 1:29:12.320 be a gatekeeper. I mean, Ben's politics is not always 1:29:12.360 --> 1:29:16.240 the same as doctor Umar's, right, so they, you know, 1:29:16.360 --> 1:29:19.879 do operate in two different worlds. But from what I 1:29:19.920 --> 1:29:24.839 have always seen of been, he you know, he always 1:29:26.800 --> 1:29:29.840 empowers the local community to do whatever they got to do. 1:29:29.920 --> 1:29:32.040 That He's definitely not gonna sit here and say go 1:29:32.120 --> 1:29:36.559 burn the town down, but he's not stopping people from 1:29:36.600 --> 1:29:40.439 passing local legislation demanding whatever. 1:29:40.600 --> 1:29:44.120 In fact, I have literally witnessed. 1:29:43.920 --> 1:29:47.880 The White House or and or you know, somebody in 1:29:47.880 --> 1:29:50.679 the federal government or in Congress calling him like Ben, 1:29:50.800 --> 1:29:52.600 like you're killing us. Why are you how he is 1:29:52.680 --> 1:29:55.280 suing us for the farmers, Like you're supposed to be 1:29:55.360 --> 1:29:58.040 our guy. We invited you to the picnic, and now 1:29:58.080 --> 1:30:01.000 you're suing us for the black farmers. Or you're suing 1:30:01.320 --> 1:30:06.280 the federal government for many different reasons he been and 1:30:06.400 --> 1:30:10.200 suing attorney Suanne Robinson, are suing the federal government right 1:30:10.240 --> 1:30:15.919 now for Shanquala Robinson because they won't extradite the person 1:30:16.040 --> 1:30:20.360 who we believe is responsible for Shanquala's death to Mexico. 1:30:20.600 --> 1:30:23.720 And they also haven't brought an charges on their own. 1:30:24.120 --> 1:30:26.760 So I mean, I would just like to hear more 1:30:26.800 --> 1:30:29.880 about it. Not that I will ever agree, but I don't. 1:30:30.120 --> 1:30:32.799 I want to be able to speak intelligently in terms 1:30:32.840 --> 1:30:35.320 of my response to it. So I would love to 1:30:35.360 --> 1:30:37.559 hear what he has to say about why he thinks 1:30:37.600 --> 1:30:40.200 that Ben specifically is a gatekeeper. 1:30:40.320 --> 1:30:42.719 I think it's just a narrative, right, just like it's 1:30:42.920 --> 1:30:45.680 a narrative that Ben loses cases all the time, right, 1:30:46.080 --> 1:30:49.240 And that's just so crazy because he's not the prosecutor, 1:30:49.280 --> 1:30:51.320 he's not the defense attorney. So when they say he 1:30:51.360 --> 1:30:53.840 loses cases, and then you actually look at if you 1:30:53.880 --> 1:30:56.600 actually look at his documentary and see the amount of 1:30:56.600 --> 1:30:59.120 cases he's won, I don't really know too many cases 1:30:59.280 --> 1:31:01.879 that he's actually lost that he's litigated. 1:31:01.920 --> 1:31:03.400 It's not too many of them, you know. 1:31:03.479 --> 1:31:05.519 So those are these are narratives that are out there 1:31:05.560 --> 1:31:09.800 because you stand by black people because when the situation happens, right, 1:31:10.160 --> 1:31:13.519 you're the most prominent face in the most dominant voice, 1:31:13.520 --> 1:31:15.960 because they know when they see you, they need to 1:31:16.000 --> 1:31:19.080 be scared. And most people who who are who have 1:31:19.240 --> 1:31:22.439 those situations, who have civil cases, are gonna call Ben 1:31:22.479 --> 1:31:24.760 Crump because they know that he's gonna make sure that 1:31:25.080 --> 1:31:27.720 the publicity gets there, that people paying attention to it, 1:31:27.880 --> 1:31:29.799 and he's gonna get what it is that you deserve. 1:31:30.200 --> 1:31:32.720 So I think, because it's like anything else when we 1:31:32.800 --> 1:31:36.840 have conversations, these narratives get pushed aby the individual because 1:31:36.840 --> 1:31:40.200 they have a certain level of visibility and fame, you know, 1:31:40.240 --> 1:31:42.840 And I think it's it's unwarranted for Ben because he's 1:31:42.840 --> 1:31:46.080 one of the most genuine, part you know, honest brothers 1:31:46.120 --> 1:31:48.519 that I know like and and you know, if you 1:31:48.600 --> 1:31:49.200 don't know. 1:31:49.120 --> 1:31:51.080 Those individuals, then you don't know. 1:31:51.240 --> 1:31:54.639 But I think it be remiss if I didn't speak 1:31:54.680 --> 1:31:59.360 on behalf of people that situation. I mean, I think 1:31:59.439 --> 1:32:01.680 I would be if I didn't speak on behalf of 1:32:02.040 --> 1:32:04.960 individuals that I know and I work with all the time, 1:32:05.000 --> 1:32:06.200 and I know situations. 1:32:06.240 --> 1:32:08.280 So I just wanted to speak to that because I 1:32:08.320 --> 1:32:09.360 really just didn't get it. 1:32:11.880 --> 1:32:15.920 Okay, Okay, So with that said, we at the end 1:32:15.920 --> 1:32:19.200 of another episode and the end of another season of 1:32:19.240 --> 1:32:23.680 the TMI Podcast. We appreciate y'all for supporting us and 1:32:23.760 --> 1:32:25.760 making us the number one podcast in the world. We're 1:32:25.800 --> 1:32:27.920 just gonna get better and better and better. Thank you 1:32:27.960 --> 1:32:29.880 to all of the guests who are on this season. 1:32:30.200 --> 1:32:34.839 We had an amazing season. Shout out to Podcast Central 1:32:35.240 --> 1:32:37.920 Armine Do for supporting us. 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