WEBVTT - A High Ratio of Predators with Katie Couric 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:04.480 Hi, Catherine, Oh hi Chelsea, yea, Hi. Guess where it's 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:06.920 snowed twenty inches last night? Oh my gosh, does have 0:00:07.000 --> 0:00:12.040 been Whistler Orca? Oh no, no, are you serious? Twenty 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:15.239 foot waves? They have what are they called manholes? Or 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:17.239 what are those called when they're in the streets cave in? 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:21.440 Is that called a manhole? I mean the island is 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:25.480 not prepared for snow. Maybe in the mountains. Its twenty 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:29.080 inches of snow, and so every day told everyone to 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:32.760 stay in, don't go outside. It was on the Daily Mail. 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:34.920 It popped up on my Instagram this morning. And not 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:37.720 that I read the Daily Mail because I don't. But 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:39.960 we don't want us brother that, no, we don't. But 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:42.199 my Orca, I think, just comes to me. You know, 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:44.320 since our phones are all eavesdropping on me, can you 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:46.760 believe that it is snowing. I'm in Whistler right now 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:49.519 and it is snowing. Well, it's snowed last week in 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:53.159 Los Angeles, in my backyard. So that's the world is 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:55.560 over everyone. So we're just going to end this podcast 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:58.800 right now because everyone should just take shelter. Good Bye. 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:01.440 Hope you have enough owning Barrico to get you through. 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:05.479 Oh my god, that's insane, I know, and I've heard 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:08.319 LA is just the worst right now. Oh my god, 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:10.840 it's been like pouring rain. My puppies have been like 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:13.480 trying to potty train them. They're like, there's nowhere to go. 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:18.440 It's flooded. So it's been interesting. I saw some kids 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:21.720 surfing down the street in a Tuckerware bucket the other day. 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:23.800 There was like the rivers going down the street and 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:27.199 the gutters, and then there was a kid pulling another 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:29.480 kid on a mini bike and the other kid was 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:32.160 in like a Tuckerware tub and they were just zooming 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:34.679 down the street. So that's that's the state of affairs 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:36.680 right now. Listen. If you can't have a little fun 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:39.160 and a Tuckerware tub, where can you find it. We 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:41.399 went night skiing the other night after my birthday. We 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:44.319 all decided it was snowing, snowing. It snowed like twenty 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:48.320 centimeters whatever that means in America, and we were like 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:50.840 all together, we went to apray and then everyone's like, 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:53.280 let's go up to the top of the parking lots 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:54.920 and have someone drop us off and then we could 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:56.960 just ski down at night because it was all fresh 0:01:57.360 --> 0:01:59.120 and so like. Ten of us did it. It It was 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:02.320 so much fun. Oh my god, it's nothing better than 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:04.400 being in the snow at night. I don't know why. 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:08.000 It's so beautiful the best. It is so beautiful. And 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:12.320 I also had a great birthday this year. Again. I 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.919 love celebrating my birthday and Whistler. It's got all my ingredients, skiing, 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:22.680 capre skiing, Margarita's skiing, other Margarita's. Oh when I had 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:25.080 my niece Charlie up here, who is a dream boat, 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:30.600 such guy. She's ridiculous. She is just so cute and funny, 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:33.480 and we skied. We should. We had her charging by 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:35.560 the end of the week, and well she was here 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:38.480 for like four days a solo. And then my friend Nick, 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:41.240 who is my director on Chelsea Does, she was my DP. 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:44.280 She came up and it was just so fun. I 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:46.520 love I love having one on one time with my 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:49.320 nieces and nephews. It's the best. I got shot down 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:52.480 by a niece this week. Rejection from children is fierce. 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:56.399 I know teenagers are trouble. Another reason not to have them, 0:02:56.840 --> 0:03:01.079 you know exactly exactly. It's like, if they're tiny, they're pooping, 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:05.280 if they're three, they're mean to you, right, terrible twos, 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:08.600 terrible threes, and then they turn into teenagers immediately after that, 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:11.160 but no one tells you. They starts smelling at like 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:14.600 eight smelling. Yeah, they start smelling bad at like eight. 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:20.120 Well the boys, oh really, girls start smelling really I 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:25.399 think girls start getting stuck. Oh oh, like tricky situation. 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:29.400 I speaking of smelly. I went three days without taking 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:31.640 a shower and skiing while I was up here because 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:33.920 we had such a full house and it was NonStop action. 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:38.000 And finally, like yesterday or the day before, everyone left 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:40.560 and we went skiing again. I was like okay, And 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:42.520 then I was like, okay, guys, I'm going home after 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:45.760 skiing today, like no Appray, Like I'm wrecked for my birthday. 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:48.680 I'm so tired. My body's aching. We had a huge 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:51.560 powder day, so my thighs were burning. Yeah, and then 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:56.280 of course, you know, they persuaded me to go to Appray. 0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:59.800 Twist my cut to one in the morning, I'm getting 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.480 opped off at my house and we had adopted a 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:05.400 giant baby, my friend Kelly and I her friend. We've 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:07.480 decided he was our baby and he had to come 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:10.560 sleep in one of our extra guest rooms, and I 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:13.000 was like, wait, what happened. It's like the whole day 0:04:13.080 --> 0:04:15.800 got away from me. That's how it goes. I know's 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:19.360 how one drink so yesterday. So I'm hibernating this week 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:22.240 until my next batch of visitors come, which is Friday. 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:24.640 And then we got you out of bed at seven 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:26.640 in the morning. That's okay. I you know, I get 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:29.760 up early anyway. I'm always up. Okay. So our guest 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:32.360 today has a book out that you may have read. 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:35.000 It's called Going There. Her daily newsletter is called wake 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:36.760 Up Call. I get that every morning. It's a mix 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:40.000 of news, culture and advice. She's the EP which is 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:43.840 an executive producer of the new documentary No Ordinary Campaign, 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:46.839 which is debuting at south By Southwest, and she is 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:50.680 host of her podcast which is called Next Question. Please 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:54.479 Welcome Katie Kirk. I Katie, what are you doing on 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:58.160 the floor? Oh? Because we don't have a place to 0:04:58.200 --> 0:04:59.880 do this, so I'm just going to sit on the 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:02.800 floor and honestly, it'll be fine, it will be comfortable. 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:05.400 What are you two girls up to that you have 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:08.200 that you're both sleeping in the same room and have 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:11.640 nowhere else to record she's not sleeping in here, she's 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:14.839 sleeping in the guest room. But we're in this big 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:18.120 kind of echoe house and we thought this would be 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:21.040 the best room. Is it? Is it? Okay? Yeah? Well 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:24.360 that horrors there. It looks so weird, Atrianna, but I 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:26.279 think it's a good look for you, Katie. It'll switch 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:28.720 things up. People will be surprised by the way. My 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:30.800 dad would say, it looks like I combed my hair 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:38.679 with an egg beater. Hi, Hi, Hi, This is Katherine, 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:42.440 my producer. I know Catherine. Hi, Catherine Hike. Oh, yes, 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:44.640 you guys know each other because she's gonna be working 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:47.000 with you now. She's gonna be helping us, which is 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:50.520 also she's so great in my yelling. Oh sorry, I'm yelling. 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:52.520 I'm yellow. Oh that's nice that you have someone who 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:54.960 will tell you that. Oh my god, Katie, where did 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:58.640 we start? Let's figure this out. How did we first meet? 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:01.800 Was it an interview? I think it might have been 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:04.920 an interview. I'm trying to remember when I took you 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:07.840 to the White House Scorres Fund It's oh yeah, it 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:11.400 was really that was our first date. It was and 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:13.919 I think I just reached out to you because I 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:17.440 thought you were fun and funny and that you would 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:19.120 get a kick out of going to the White House 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:21.599 Scorres fund It's dinner, which we did. We got a 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:23.400 big kick out of it. That was a fun night. 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:26.160 Remember we ended up in a car with two real randoms. 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:29.320 I don't even remember. I remember who Do you remember 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:32.200 who they were? I don't remember. The whole thing is 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:34.200 a little bit of a blur to me, but I 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:37.680 remember it was cute, Chelsea, because you were very nervous. 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:40.080 Do you remember that? No, no, no, no, tell me, 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:43.440 you were kind of I think you felt out of 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:47.200 your element and you had never been to something like 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:51.600 that and you were just a little a little jittery. 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:56.480 And it was really sweet. And who else came that year? 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:58.800 Was that the year Betty White came? And she was 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:02.880 also my guest? Oh yeah, yeah, we all sat at 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:06.400 the same table. Yeah, so I felt like I had 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:09.239 the coolest table in the room. That's a cool event, actually, 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:12.800 the White House Correspondence Center. It's really really like a fun, 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:16.360 fun night because it's not a lot of Republicans go, 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:19.360 if any, and so that's always a win. Well, that 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:23.760 was sort of back in the day. It was pretty bipartisan, honestly, 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:26.680 and I think when Trump became president, I think they 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:29.760 stopped having them. Then there was the pandemic, and so 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:36.080 it used to be a really kind of jocular bipartisan affair, 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:40.320 and it was really fun because the president hits up 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:43.360 and makes a really funny speech and it was a 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:45.480 lot of fun. And then I think we went to 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:47.200 the party. Did we go to the party at the 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:51.560 French embassy that Bloomberg usually hosted or yes, yes, yes, 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:54.040 that's where we went. I remember us being in a 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:56.920 car with someone really really famous, like a famous director 0:07:57.040 --> 0:08:00.000 or somebody I can't even remember. Yeah, I can't remember 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:02.320 for either who was that? And then I looked to 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:04.440 my left and it was another random and I've just 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:06.600 thought this is one of those nights. But we had 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:08.600 a couple of those nights because we had our Woody 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:11.880 Allen Knight, which we've both talked about, where we accidentally 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:16.120 had dinner with Woody Allen and SUNI and some other unmentionables. 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:19.920 Should we retell that story because or do you feel 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:22.520 like everybody's heard it? I know you put it in 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:25.560 your comedy routine. I think everybody has heard it, But 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:27.600 I mean there's no well you know what you tell it, 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:30.040 because I haven't heard you tell it. I've accepted the 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:33.880 book of course. Yeah. Yeah. So basically I was working 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:36.920 at CBS News. It was I believe was it January 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:40.559 or February or something like that. In the winter, Chelsea, 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:42.959 You and I had made plans to have dinner, which 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:46.560 I was really looking forward to. I got an email 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:50.440 from Peggy Siegel, who was this sort of big publicist 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:53.800 who's kind of fallen from grace now, and she said, 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:56.160 would you like to have dinner at the largest single 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:59.280 family home in Manhattan? And I was like, well that 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:02.720 sounds in preaking, you know, be interesting to see some big, 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:06.000 beautiful home where people usually live in pretty small apartments 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:08.600 in New York City. So I said, okay, great, and 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:13.320 she said it's going to be honoring Prince Andrew. George 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:16.520 Stephanopolis is going to be there, and she mentioned some 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:19.959 other newspeople and I thought, oh boy. Well, the royal 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:23.560 wedding was coming up that spring and William and Kate 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:26.480 were getting married, and I thought, you know, any end 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:29.439 to a member of the royal family is a good inn. 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:35.040 Well that turns out all that's what that's what she said. 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:38.480 But anyway, so I thought, gosh, I should probably go 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:40.840 to this, and I called you and I said, Chelsea, 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:44.160 I've just been invited to this dinner. Do you want 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:46.640 to go? It sounds like it might be interesting. It's 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:48.959 for Prince Andrew. I don't know if I even mentioned 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:50.920 that when I called you. I think I must have, 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:52.600 and I said do you want to go? And you 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:55.800 were like, sure, why not? So I was dating someone 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:58.920 at the time, so he came to it turns out, 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:01.880 and I googled him as I almost got there. I 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:04.360 think I met you there, but I remember googling Jeffrey 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:09.600 Epstein and thinking, oh, well, he was convicted of something 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:14.120 in Florida. It sounded sleazy, but it didn't sound horrible 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:17.960 and criminal and disgusting as now we know his behavior was. 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:20.760 So I thought, oh, this is pretty sketchy, but I 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:25.360 guess I'm in now. And so we walked in and 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:28.680 there was this whole assortment of people, including George Stephanopolis 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:32.280 I believe Charlie Rose was there, and yes, Woody Allen 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:35.120 and Sunny and it was probably about what would you say, Chelsea, 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:38.400 like twenty four people. Oh, I remember it being so 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:40.959 much smaller. But you know, my memory is not great 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:43.440 because I didn't even remember that you brought a date. 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:47.880 So really, yeah, it was it John, No, it was Brooks, 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:51.079 the good young guy I was dating. Okay, Okay, So no, 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:53.679 I thought it was a small party, like eight or 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:56.439 ten people. No, No, No, well, I think actually it's 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:59.640 probably somewhere between ten and twenty four. I think I 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:03.240 own remember the key players, is why I remember bring it. 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:08.839 I remember Charlie Rose walking out, just shitfaced, leaving his coat, 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:10.960 and then coming back an hour later, because you and 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:14.480 I were leaving, and apparently Brooks we were leaving, and 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:16.199 then he came back and he was kind of like 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:19.599 walking down the street, very disoriented, and he was like, 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:21.839 I'm looking for my coat. I'm looking. I'm like, oh, 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:23.800 I had no idea. So many people were such a 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:27.800 hot mess, you know. I like Charlie Rose acts like 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:30.560 this at that time. He was a respectable newsman too, 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:33.160 So I remember that much from the night. But I 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:36.400 remember kind of sitting in I almost think like a 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:40.880 horseshoe shaped table situation, maybe in the living room. And 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:44.160 I titled that chapter of my book Lasagna Was Served, 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:48.080 because they served lasagna in these sort of shallow bulls. 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:51.240 And then before that he'd kind of given us a 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:53.319 tour of the house, and I remember he had those 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:57.480 stubbs and wooten velvet slippers on and torn jeans and 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:01.600 like a velvet maybe a velvet blazer, and he was 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:04.520 holding a drink. And I really didn't know very much 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:07.440 about him. I remember the artwork being were weird. But 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:10.440 after dinner, that's when you went up to Woody Allen. 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:12.360 I was at the end of dinner because I remember 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:14.480 the living are. We were all seated because I kept 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:17.000 from seeing all these people walk in. You know, when 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:20.480 I saw Woody Allen and SUNI walk in, I remember going, whoa, whoa, whoa, 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:23.240 what is this? And then I didn't obviously know Jeffrey 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:27.240 either Epstein. I knew Prince Andrew. I know who Peggy 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:31.800 Siegel is, yeah, and I don't remember him being there 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:35.400 at all. George, No, Charlie Rose is the other person 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:37.800 I remember, and then I feel like there was one other. 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:39.680 But I know when you just said that, I was like, 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:41.920 oh he was there. Yeah, Well that's great to know. 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:46.320 Good information. What a high ratio of predators, though, I 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:48.640 know when I look back I'm like, oh my god. 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:51.839 Almost every person in that room was canceled. Yeah, it 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:54.520 felt like the den of an equity or something. But 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:58.440 after dinner, Chelsea, everyone was sort of sitting around, and 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:01.440 I remember seeing a friend of mine who's a doctor 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:06.120 who knew Jeffrey Epstein talking to him and a female doctor, 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:12.480 really beautiful woman. And then Chelsea walks up to Woody 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:15.520 Allen and Sunny and I don't think I heard you 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:17.760 say it. You just told me later and said, I 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:21.120 you know, I'm Chelsea Handler. And you started chit chatting 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:24.960 and you said, how did you two meet? Now you 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:27.040 knew how they met? Right, you were just well, of 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:28.720 course I was giving it to him. But it was 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:31.160 at dinner when we were getting dessert. We were seated 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:33.280 at the table because I was seated right across from them, 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:35.800 and I was next to you. You were on my right, 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:38.400 and they were across from me, And the whole time 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:40.640 at dinner, all I was waiting was to say something 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:42.480 to him, because as a woman, I was like, there's 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:44.640 no way that I'm not going to say something to 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:47.920 him to make him know that he's out completely out 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:51.920 of line. But you did hear me, because you said, Okay, Chelsea, 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:56.400 time to go. Katie mentioned that this happened. I was like, wait, 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:58.839 that was real. She really said that. It wasn't just 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:00.840 a bit. I just figured it was like a bit. 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:06.040 Oh No, that part I remember perfectly because because I 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:09.200 had to contain myself for so long throughout the dinner 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:12.319 to not embarrass everybody, you know what I mean as 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:14.000 a guest, I was like, how do I play this? 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:16.280 And I remember because I was talking to Woody Allen 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:19.360 during the dinner trying to be friendly, and we were 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:21.880 talking about stand up and movies and all of it. 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:23.680 And I was like, oh. And then I was like, 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:26.680 don't don't do this. Don't get sucked in and think 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:28.920 that you like somebody. You don't like this person, you 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:31.760 don't like them. I had to have this internal dialogue 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:34.680 with myself the whole time. Yeah, and I was definitely 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:38.000 tipsy because I'm me one weird. Thing I remember is 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:41.880 when we left, Brooks looked at me and said, did 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:45.840 you notice how young the girls were who were taking 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:51.000 our coats? Oh? God, so he noticed, well he did, 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:53.720 and he mentioned it to me. So now, in hindsight, 0:14:54.000 --> 0:15:00.360 that's a very perceptive and really upsetting comment m. Yeah, yeah, 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:02.240 and we've been through We've hung out a lot of 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:05.280 times because we had boyfriends that both had places, right, 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:07.600 we were both spending time in Shelter Island for a while. 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:11.600 You were about to get married, and I've met your daughters, 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:14.840 who you know are fabulous and so yeah, we've known 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:18.400 each other for many, many years. Yeah, and of course 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:22.480 I follow you from Afar and love watching you not 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:25.600 only with your Santa, but I'm obsessed with your Instagram. 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:29.320 So I enjoyed watching you skiing and your bikini recently. 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:32.440 You're a good skier, Chelsea. Oh thanks, I've been you 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:34.560 know what, Katie, I've been working so hard at becoming 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:36.680 a good skier. It was like my dream as a 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:38.800 little kid. I was like, I just want to be 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:41.640 a great skier. Well, you have very good form in 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:44.240 every way, but I you know, when did you start? 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:47.720 Because I started skiing at forty five. I'm sixty six 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:51.160 now and I can ski okay, like I can do 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:56.160 a semi easy blue, but I have never felt that freedom, 0:15:56.360 --> 0:16:00.840 that total relaxation that good skiers feel. Yeah, it's just 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:03.720 time spent. Right. I bought a place in Whistler, and 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:06.200 I just spent months here at a time and just 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:09.240 skiing over and over with an instructor, you know, a 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:12.440 former racer who's giving me technique, so I'm not just 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:14.760 running around the mountain like a lunatic. And that's helped 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:17.320 a lot too. I think part of the problem, Chelsea 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:19.720 is I only ski once a year. Yeah, it's hard 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:22.000 to improve when you're ending. You don't put the effort in, 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:24.200 or you don't have the time. I have to tell 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:27.280 you my instructor is my father in law, Herb, and 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:31.360 Herb is ninety one and he, oh, don't tell anyone, 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:35.720 he's still a ski instructor in Aspen. Oh my god. Really, 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:38.800 how cute is that he is? Well, he is the 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:43.000 most amazing person. I mean, he is in incredible shape. 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:45.560 Not only does he carry his skis, he carries mine. 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:49.720 He is obviously an excellent ski or. He's been doing 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:52.600 this for like forty years. He was in business and 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:56.560 he cashed out, and his boys, one of whom is 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:59.080 my husband, thought oh he's going to do this for 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:02.360 a little while. No, forty five or fifty years later, 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:06.320 he's still doing it and he's just amazing, and he's 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:09.200 so much fun to be with. And he has helped 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:13.720 me become a mediocre skier. Yeah. Yeah, And I like 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:16.520 mountain culture, you know, like I like the idea of 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:19.600 going for a run, having a nice leisurely lunch, then 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:22.080 going for more skiing and then app right. Like I 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:25.000 just I'm home every night by seven thirty or eight 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:28.320 o'clock most exhausted. I exhausted, and then I get a 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:30.439 massage or I read at night. I mean, I'm just 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:34.240 so happy in my little winter cabin life that I've 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:37.520 created for myself. So are you there by yourself? Do 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:40.520 you bring friends or people come through? I bet your 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:43.240 sister comes right. Yeah, my niece was just here for 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:46.600 my birthday. My friends were here, they just all left. 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:48.359 So then I have a couple of down days and 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:50.760 then I have a new group coming in this weekend. Fun. 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:53.200 So yeah, people come through all the time. It's really fun. 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:56.359 Oh that's great. Where have you been spending your vacation time? 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:59.240 Do you guys go to the Hampton's mostly in that area. 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:03.080 Right now, we're in a rental property in Los Angeles. 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:06.199 So for the past five or six years, during the 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:09.480 dog days of winter in New York, we've usually come 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:12.800 out here for six weeks to two months, because now 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:14.919 when you can work remotely, and now that we have 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:16.879 our own company and everything, I don't have to be 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:20.240 in a studio. So that's been a really nice change 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:23.800 of pace. But it is the weather Chelsea here. I know. 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:25.320 I can't believe you just said you were in LA. 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:26.560 I would have thought I would thought you were going 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:28.000 to say you're in the Happens or something. It is 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:30.680 so bad in La right now. It's the worst time. 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:33.159 I have a very good piece of good news to 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:38.119 report because it's sunny right now, and I can't believe it. Atriana, 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:39.960 who works with me, who's here for a couple of days, 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:48.719 that she feels like she's taken a party drug. So 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:51.000 let's talk about John and talk about your marriage a 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:53.920 little bit, because you guys have a very great thing 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:58.280 going and he's a great support ballast for your life 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:01.080 as well as you to him. Well, we're gonna talk 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:04.159 about your cancer advocacy work also because you lost your 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:07.200 first husband to cancer, you lost your sister, and this 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:10.520 is a very important kind of lifelong project for you. 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:13.879 Just so I feel part of the whole mission. I 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:17.480 got cancer too, exactly, So tell us what the update 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:21.399 on that is the cancer. John, Well, let's talked about 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:23.880 the cancer first. Okay, all right, I kind of ruined 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:27.720 the flow, didn't I let's talk about your health first. 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:30.280 My health is good. And by the way, Katie, I've 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:32.199 let me just interrupted. I had no idea you were 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:35.520 sixty six years old. You are so cute, you have 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:37.840 never not and I know that you talked about in 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:39.639 your book how annoying it is to be cute. But 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:41.680 I have to say, like, you have one of those 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:44.119 faces that you will never look old. I don't know 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:47.439 about that, Chelsea. No, you don't. You just look you 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:50.560 always look young, like it doesn't matter what your age is. 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:53.199 I do have kind of a young vibe, kind of 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:56.480 a yeah yeah, lively young vibe. So thank you. You're 0:19:56.560 --> 0:19:58.879 nice to say that. But in terms of my health, 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:04.760 I'm fine, Knockwood only because when I was diagnosed with this, Chelsea, 0:20:04.960 --> 0:20:08.480 I wasn't that surprised because cancer has been such a 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:11.960 fixture in my life. But I felt so lucky because 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:16.080 both Jay and Emily were diagnosed with stage four cancer. 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:19.480 And it's all about when you're diagnosed. That's why I've 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:24.680 been on my sort of relentless advocacy about screening because 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:28.480 if you detect cancer early, that's when it's most treatable, 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:32.320 right when it hasn't metastasized what it hasn't spread through 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:37.040 your body and landed on another another organ. So I 0:20:37.080 --> 0:20:40.200 didn't realize I hadn't gone for my annual mammogram, went 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:44.600 and got a mamogram, didn't expect anything weird. But my 0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:47.600 breast radiologist, who's I think one of the best in 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:50.720 the world, Susan Drossman, said, you know how the technician 0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:53.040 calls the doctor in and they're looking at the scan. 0:20:53.200 --> 0:20:55.800