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Speaker 2: For me, I'm a man, I'm forty. I've heard so

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Speaker 2: many players say, well, I want to be happy, you

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Speaker 2: want to be happy for a day?

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Speaker 3: Edo State is that?

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Speaker 1: Whoo whoo? And them and tie Dan rubisteine, Am I

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Speaker 1: a little bit crazy? Or? Was that the best modern

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Speaker 1: week zero we have seen in quite some time?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean they've been like four week zero so yes,

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Speaker 2: of of those four, I don't know how many they are. Well, look,

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Speaker 2: they've been doing it since nineteen eighty three, okay, just random,

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Speaker 2: not as regularly as they have since twenty sixteen. Yes,

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Speaker 2: but we've had these for a while. This isn't a

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Speaker 2: new concept. We've just gotten a lot more of them

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Speaker 2: in recent memory. And I was trying to think back. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: we had the Georgia Tech upset, which was the notable storyline.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk back through some of that here in this episode.

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Speaker 2: But we also had the SMU game, which came down

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Speaker 2: to the wire. We had Montana State FCS Montana State

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Speaker 1: But winning over an FBS team. And then we had

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Speaker 1: the Hawaii game. The Hawaii game, which was the late

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Speaker 1: kickoff the Hawaii game, which was not without its own drama.

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Speaker 1: Building up to that game, Hawaii was like a forty

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Speaker 1: point favorite something of that ilk they didn't cover that point, spray.

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Speaker 1: We're not going to report a whole lot on that here,

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Speaker 1: but three of the four games came down to the wire,

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Speaker 1: and as week Zeros go, that's a pretty good way

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Speaker 2: No oh, it was a great way to kick off

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Speaker 2: the season. I think Game Day had a wrestler as

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Speaker 2: a guest picker right on the streets of Dublin. I

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Speaker 2: saw some sort of allegation. I don't know if it's

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Speaker 2: Pat McAfee puked during a broadcast on Friday afternoon in

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Speaker 2: a pub in Ireland, as one does. There appeared to

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Speaker 2: be some sort of storm over the Game Day set

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Speaker 2: brewing that didn't ultimately cause any damage. And you had

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Speaker 2: Joe Test talking about wind patterns, right because kicking was

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Speaker 2: so important during the game, where it was like, well,

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Speaker 1: Was at the name of you the stadium?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was like the win sort of whips off

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Speaker 2: nodding along like that makes sense, Joe tes sure, and

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Speaker 2: then yeah, we had the great game, right, and we're

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Speaker 2: gonna have Florida State fans continue to freak out, We'll

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Speaker 2: have Georgia Tech fans continue to be excited. We'll have

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Speaker 2: people using that singular moment overseas in week zero as

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Speaker 2: some sort of referendum on an entire league and its

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Speaker 2: future and potential lawsuits, which I think I personally encourage.

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Speaker 2: I think that's great. So, yeah, it's all happening, Ty,

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Speaker 2: you gotta use it if you got it. What was

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Speaker 2: the comment that you mentioned to me about the new

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Speaker 1: Exciting?

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Speaker 2: I enjoyed. Also, it was like week zero and it

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Speaker 2: let's be clear, but I enjoyed. There was something. I

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Speaker 2: think Desmond Howard picked Oregon to win his NAT win

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Speaker 1: Like it was just like whoa, it was great, no

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Speaker 2: Unless unless what ty, unless what I don't feel afraid

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Speaker 2: I think Georgia Tech is more dangerous. I don't know

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Speaker 1: And it's a perfect way to tie up the segment

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Speaker 2: Early bird special.

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Speaker 1: So here's the deal, Dan, there are twenty seven games

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Speaker 1: I think we just assume a certain level of competence

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Speaker 1: with this offense because they've done it year in and year out.

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Speaker 1: They've put quarterbacks in the NFL to some extent. We're

434
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Speaker 1: going to get that again, although I will say it

435
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Speaker 1: probably is going to have to look a little bit

436
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Speaker 1: different given that Max Johnson I think is going to

437
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Speaker 1: be the alpha quarterback. They brought him over via transfer.

438
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Speaker 1: I would assume he is going to be the main guy,

439
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Speaker 1: and I don't think he is good enough to do

440
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Speaker 1: what we saw out of Sam Hall, out of Drake May.

441
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Speaker 2: And Drake May didn't have He had a pretty great

442
00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,040
Speaker 2: game downfield against Minnesota last season, but I think he

443
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Speaker 2: also threw a couple picks. No, it's a fascinating game

444
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Speaker 2: for North Carolina, and look, Jeff Collins has gotten a

445
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Speaker 2: lot of the attention with obviously Max Johnson. In terms

446
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Speaker 2: of the changes in Chapel Hill. I went back and

447
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,840
Speaker 2: looked and there wasn't like crazy dramatic improvement at other

448
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Speaker 2: places that Jeff Collins started calling the defenses at, mostly

449
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,440
Speaker 2: because they were already in a good place right when

450
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Speaker 2: he took over at Florida, when he took over at

451
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Speaker 2: Mississippi State, when he took over at Temple, it wasn't

452
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Speaker 2: dramatic in one swing, one direction or the other. It

453
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Speaker 2: got pretty bad at Georgia Tech the defense, but you

454
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Speaker 2: can't squarely put that on him because that was a

455
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Speaker 2: full rebuilding effort away from an option offense. So curious

456
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Speaker 2: to see how close to competent this North Carolina defense

457
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Speaker 2: can be early on in this season. They were there

458
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Speaker 2: last season, They looked to be improved before things sort

459
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Speaker 2: of collapsed, whether it was a depth thing, whether it

460
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Speaker 2: was an opponent thing last season. The good news for

461
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Speaker 2: North Carolina's defense is although Ty hilden Brandt of the

462
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Speaker 2: Solidverbo College Football podcast expects big things from Max Brosmer

463
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Speaker 2: Minnesota before Nos Yeah, Air Max, whatever you want to

464
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 2: call it, all Max No Breaks, Double Max Quarterback Game

465
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,239
Speaker 2: by the way, Max Johnson, Max Rosmer. Potentially this is

466
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Speaker 2: this is college football to the max, College football to

467
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Speaker 2: the max. To bringing back an offensive line which struggled

468
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Speaker 2: in a number of facets last season. Minnesota's offense does.

469
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Speaker 2: Darius Taylor hopefully is healthy. I know he was a

470
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Speaker 2: little bit dinged up in fall camp, which should be

471
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Speaker 2: good to go. As far as I could tell, I

472
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Speaker 2: still don't think Minnesota has the type of pop to

473
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Speaker 2: truly make North Carolina pay for four quarters. So I

474
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Speaker 2: don't know. I think it's gonna be a somewhat ugly game,

475
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Speaker 2: not unlike what Minnesota did to open the season last

476
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Speaker 2: year against was it Nebraska? Matt Rules first game, a

477
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Speaker 2: thirteen to ten type game. I'm going to take Minnesota

478
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Speaker 2: at home, and I'm going to take the points North

479
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Speaker 2: Carolina fair by a point a half in this.

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Speaker 1: Home point in a half in this moment.

481
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to trust home. I'm going to trust

482
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Speaker 2: a little bit of experience. I still don't love Minnesota overall,

483
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Speaker 2: but I think circumstantially, I think I'm going to roll

484
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Speaker 2: with the Gophers and perhaps run it to improve on

485
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Speaker 2: defense a little bit. New defensive coordinator, So a bit

486
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Speaker 2: of a mystery there for Minnesota perhaps getting healthy after

487
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Speaker 2: they were so beat up last year. Yeah, I'm gonna

488
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Speaker 2: go with Minnesota to turn this thing around, this back

489
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Speaker 2: and forth with North Carolina around and win the game

490
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Speaker 2: out right by I don't know, three to four points,

491
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Speaker 2: twenty four to twenty tai yu Ma.

492
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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, join me on the tai Yuma train, baby. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So the matchup here for me is Carolina's line offensive

494
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Speaker 1: line against a defensive front from Minnesota that has a

495
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Speaker 1: lot back I think will be improved. I think when

496
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Speaker 1: push comes to shove, will end up being pretty solid.

497
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Speaker 1: Carolina is basically a new unit up front, and because

498
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Speaker 1: Minnesota's got a lot back there, I mean, they're tweaking

499
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Speaker 1: the scheme a little bit. They're hoping to get more

500
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Speaker 1: pressure on their quarterback and hopefully that will make the

501
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Speaker 1: defensive unit a lot better. They were not as good

502
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Speaker 1: last year as I think we had grown accustomed to

503
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Speaker 1: seeing Minnesota defense as be, and I hope this year

504
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Speaker 1: now was their make some of their tweaks they can

505
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Speaker 1: get back to being what I expect they will, which

506
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Speaker 1: is pretty solid at a minimum. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean they were fully really good under Joe Rossie.

508
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 2: At times, they were really good Michigan State.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So I think if you're going to go at Minnesota,

510
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 1: you want to try and test them on the back end.

511
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Speaker 1: You want to try and test their safeties because they

512
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Speaker 1: lose a guy like a Tyler Nuban. When I think

513
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Speaker 1: about going deep though, I don't think about Max Johnson.

514
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Speaker 1: That is not the first guy I think of, because

515
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Speaker 1: there's a little bit of a pop gun arm there.

516
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Speaker 1: So I don't know. I think this is a really

517
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Speaker 1: good spot for Minnesota. You're a home dog. You're against

518
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Speaker 1: the defense that frankly hasn't done anything since Mac Brown's

519
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Speaker 1: been there. I think if you are with me on

520
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Speaker 1: my bros before nos mantra, yeah, should also be a

521
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Speaker 1: good opportunity, right Max Brosmer transfer quarterback, he should be

522
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Speaker 1: able to eat against an FBS defense and get some confidence.

523
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Speaker 1: You mentioned Darius Taylor. I'll throw out Daniel Jackson, who

524
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Speaker 1: had a good year last year despite the fact that

525
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Speaker 1: he was kind of their only weapon out wide. I

526
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Speaker 1: don't know. I just I think this is the opportunity

527
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Speaker 1: for Minnesota at home at night, first game of the year,

528
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Speaker 1: they will have at least partial attention on the stage

529
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Speaker 1: as there are three games going on at eight pm Eastern.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm with Minnesota outright twenty seven to

531
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Speaker 1: twenty Tayuma, tayoma.

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Speaker 2: All right, next game?

533
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Speaker 1: Next game, also Thursday, eight pm ESPN. This one is

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Speaker 1: North Dakota State of Colorado. Colorado favored by nine and

535
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Speaker 1: a half points. You locked up Colorado a few weeks ago,

536
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Speaker 1: I did. Do you still feel the same. Do you

537
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Speaker 1: want me to lock it up again? Yeah?

538
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Speaker 2: Why not go for it?

539
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Speaker 1: Block of the week. So the over under is fifty nine, right,

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Speaker 1: I think the assumption is among most people that probably

541
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Speaker 1: listen to the show and watch FBS football, it's, oh, well,

542
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Speaker 1: Colorado's got a good offense, questionable defense. That's why that's

543
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Speaker 1: why this over under is so high, because fifty nine

544
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Speaker 1: is good number for a college game. Let's be real.

545
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Speaker 1: I agree, Are you still as confident of Why are

546
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Speaker 1: you still confident in this result?

547
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Speaker 2: I think the line is artificially low because there's a

548
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Speaker 2: thought among people who pay attention to college football like, oh,

549
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 2: North Dakota State national championship type program have gotten really close,

550
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Speaker 2: I've gotten the best of some other No. I think

551
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Speaker 2: it's it's a fool's Errand at this point Colorado is

552
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 2: as deep as they're going to be this season. They

553
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 2: are playing fulsome field, right, they're not even on the road,

554
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Speaker 2: so they're going to open up at home. Crowd's going

555
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 2: to be super pumped, super into it. They're is basically

556
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Speaker 2: going to be as healthy as they're going to be

557
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Speaker 2: all season long. So whatever you think of Colorado this year,

558
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Speaker 2: whatever you think of Deone Sanders, chadur is good. He's

559
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Speaker 2: careful with the ball. He hit what two three picks

560
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Speaker 2: last year. I like that element to this that against

561
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Speaker 2: North Dakota State, I just don't think the Bison have

562
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Speaker 2: the team speed to run with Colorado for four quarters,

563
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Speaker 2: even if it's reletive, simply close after a quarter or

564
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Speaker 2: something like that. I think with what Colorado's added in

565
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 2: the portal, with how they've improved their defensive line upfront,

566
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Speaker 2: against a North Dakota State offensive line that is totally rebuilt,

567
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 2: totally new from last season, there's not a lot of

568
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Speaker 2: speed out wide or known speed for North Dakota State

569
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Speaker 2: on offense. I like the quarterback. I think they should

570
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 2: be able to run the ball some, but it's a

571
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Speaker 2: new head coach. It's just new coaches everywhere, even though

572
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 2: I think it's Tim Polasek for North Dakota State came

573
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 2: over was a North Dakota State offensive line guy, Wyoming

574
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Speaker 2: offensive coordinator, which was kind of blow average during his

575
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 2: time there. Like, I don't know, I'm just it's not

576
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 2: doing it for me right now. And I think people

577
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 2: want to undervalue Colorado because it just feels good to

578
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 2: do that from a worldview perspective. Oh, I think Colorado's

579
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: gonna win this game, like thirty five seventeen. I think

580
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 2: it's gonna have a pretty clean cover.

581
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Speaker 1: So some more context on the Bison got to stay

582
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Speaker 1: with a z Bison Eisen number two preseason team in FCS.

583
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Speaker 1: Cool to my eye. They're pretty much loaded everywhere outside

584
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Speaker 1: of offensive line and maybe the secondary.

585
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 2: It's two new receivers too, right, two new starting receivers.

586
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: They're deep though at receiver. They've got options out wide,

587
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: and they've also got my guy, Cole Payton. Cole Payton's

588
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 1: a backup quarterback who they're going to use in like

589
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: a Taysom Hill capacity. Yeah, which I feel like as

590
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 1: a college football watching community were always suckers for the

591
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: utility guy, the backup quarterback who you can play at

592
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: tight end or split out wide or put two quarterbacks

593
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 1: in the same shotgun. That type of thing. They got

594
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Speaker 1: one of those in Cole Payton, which will be at

595
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 1: least fun to chart here. I agree that the North

596
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: Dakota State dynasty may be over.

597
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 2: I don't even know if that's true. I just think

598
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 2: it's a bad matchup in a bad moment in time.

599
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: We've said that though for a couple of years now,

600
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Speaker 1: that it's not that we cover FCS with any great

601
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: level of the tail. But you know, North Kota State

602
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: was kind of on top of the world forever and

603
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: then other teams kind of rose up and caught up

604
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: to them. They're still very, very good, and I think

605
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Speaker 1: my point here that I want to emphasize is that

606
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: they've got a lot of depth at the skill positions

607
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: and especially upfront on defense. These games are hard for

608
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: me to try and engage because the impulse is always

609
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: just to wave off the FCS team. Oh they're not

610
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: as talented. Oh they're not as fast. I don't think

611
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: they are as talented as Colorado, and I would agree

612
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: they are not as fast. But should we at least

613
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Speaker 1: consider for a moment the possibility that they may be

614
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Speaker 1: better coached, even with a brand new coach, they may

615
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: be better coached. Okay, don't wait me off at that. Okay,

616
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: Dion cobbled this together via the transfer portal, and I

617
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: have said time and again it takes strong leadership. It

618
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: takes a strong culture to bring that many new guys

619
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Speaker 1: in and get them all to click like that. It

620
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: is hard to do. Game one, there's a pretty good

621
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: chance North Dakota State is gonna look at least a

622
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: little more organized.

623
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Speaker 2: So it takes time for Colorado to get things together.

624
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 2: But with North Dakota State with a brand new head

625
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 2: head coach gonna immediately click.

626
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Speaker 1: But there is a lot of veteran leadership on this

627
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Speaker 1: team still. These are guys who are not unfamiliar with

628
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Speaker 1: North Dakota State football. Okay, I'm taking North Kota State

629
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Speaker 1: with the points.

630
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Speaker 2: You think it's just me a close Colorado win.

631
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Speaker 1: I think it's thirty five, thirty one, Okay, something like that.

632
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I do not feel like North

633
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: Dakota State can run with the athletes that I know

634
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: Colorado has. Colorado has improved. They will be a bowl

635
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: team this year, full stop. But this is a veteran

636
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: team on the other side of the ball. This is

637
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: a team on the other side of the ball. That

638
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: has been very successful at the FCS ranks many times over,

639
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: and I think they will find a way to keep

640
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Speaker 1: this game close. Yeah I do.

641
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Speaker 2: Okay, we just agree for the first time this year.

642
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Speaker 1: Continue some other games here very quickly. Thursday night, eight pm,

643
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Speaker 1: CBS Sports Network, Coastal Carolina at Jacksonville State. Yeah, jack

644
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: State is a two and a half point favorite. I've

645
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: got another FCS quarterback up session now, Tyler Huff. Tyler Huff,

646
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: he's the new guy for Jacksonville State. He comes over

647
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: from Furman specifically because of the Ritrod system. Dan Yeah

648
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: says it's a near perfect match for his skill set. Also,

649
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: Jacksonville State has another one of my favorite storylines, and

650
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: you know I love this every year, which is it's

651
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: whenever a team is converting to a three three five defense. Ah. Yes,

652
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: in retrospect, I should have drafted that with fantasy things.

653
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 2: Ah yeah, Yeah, they're switching to a sort of an

654
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 2: odd ball three three five.

655
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: I love when they do the three three five conversion

656
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: because everybody talks about it like somebody found a magic

657
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: Wand yeah right, I'm going to go Jacksonville State at

658
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: home thirty one for twenty four.

659
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: It's the three three five. Is the be young Hung

660
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 2: Kim of defensive systems? Right, We're like, I don't know

661
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 2: if he's a good pitcher, but it looks super difficult sometimes.

662
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 2: That's a reference to an Arizona Diamondbacks relief pitcher from

663
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 2: the Odts, the early Yots.

664
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Speaker 1: What a pull that one, thank you very much, but.

665
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 2: At his best right, very good effective funk tie effective funk.

666
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

667
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: Like Jacksonville State as well, not because of the three

668
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 2: three five. I think they're a better coach team. It's

669
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: still up in the air. Is Noah Kim officially the

670
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 2: starter for Coastal Carolina yet? I don't know if they've

671
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 2: named a starter.

672
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: I have not seen it officially. I looked at time

673
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: of recording. I did not see. Yeah. I also like

674
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: rich Ront a lot more in Tim Beck.

675
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 2: I like Richard Moore. Tim Beck beat rich Rod by

676
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: two touchdowns in this game last year at Coastal Carolina.

677
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 2: But I think the changes are such another year out

678
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 2: from from the old Coastal Carolina system. I just I'm

679
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 2: going Jacksonville State. I think they have got more momentum.

680
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: Give me three other games between Thursday and Friday. These

681
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: are all games taking place. I only have two other

682
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: games that give me a couple other games that are

683
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: interesting to you. And why FAU being depleted really hurts

684
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: their chances to me, as much as I think Tom

685
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: Herman can build that roster back up, I think I'm

686
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: gonna go with Michigan State to cover a double digit

687
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: spread against FAU with Aiden Shiles and some experience on

688
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: the back end of that defense, and I don't think

689
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: FAU is good enough to take advantage up front to

690
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: a thin, thin on experience in eas lancing defensive line.

691
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: We'll see on offense, there's a couple guy interesting guys

692
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: from Michigan State, but I think Jonathan Smith will get

693
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: it done. Though you have to remember that dude took

694
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Speaker 1: some lumps in year one at Oregon State on that

695
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: that reclamation project. Oh yeah, yeah, I mean he did.

696
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's exactly the same circumstance.

697
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: No it's not. But they gave up like eighty points

698
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 2: a while they gave in the first game. Yeah.

699
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Speaker 1: And more to the point, even though it is a

700
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: new coach and there's a lot new, there is a

701
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: lot back on defense. Yeah, wasn't a great defense, but

702
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: there's still veteran leadership to some extent, and Jonathan Smith

703
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: has shown an ability to get guys organized quickly. And

704
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: you know, I think Tom Herman is still a few

705
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: years away from trying to build that roster right. There

706
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: is vision there at FAU with what he's trying to do.

707
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: We talked about it on our previews. You can see

708
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: what he is trying to do, but it's going to

709
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: take a bit to get that roster up to snuff.

710
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: So I'm with you on Michigan State minus whatever. A

711
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: game I pulled out here was TCU minus eight and

712
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: a half at Stanford.

713
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have that game down here as well, dousn't

714
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 2: is still.

715
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: A whole lot of confidence to see that TCU's only

716
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: favored by in half against Stanford.

717
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 2: Well, it's at Stanford, it's week one. I think we

718
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 2: can both agree that Troy Taylor had it is worth

719
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 2: being impressed by. That's such terrible English tie. Let me

720
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 2: admit that right up front. I think Stanford's going to

721
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 2: be not great this year, but a challenge at times.

722
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 2: I think they're going to rise from occasional wild card.

723
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 2: With how close they were against Washington, how they were

724
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 2: able to come back against Colorado last year. I think

725
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 2: they beat Wazoo in an ugly ten to seven ten

726
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 2: six type game. But I don't know they have weapons

727
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 2: on offense if the line emerges on some level that

728
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 2: you know is even below average. They were pretty terrible

729
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 2: last year. I mean that's what you were talking about

730
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 2: with Michigan State a little bit, right, Like veteran leadership.

731
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 2: Are they good? I don't know, but they've been around,

732
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 2: they're all twenty one. I think Stanford can muck it

733
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,720
Speaker 2: up a little bit. I like, you know, Lkao Manor

734
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 2: and Tiger Bachmeyer, like they have guys, they have playmakers.

735
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 2: The linebackers are pretty good, and we don't know what

736
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 2: to expect from TCU this year. I expect the offense

737
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 2: is going to continue to get better. I expect the

738
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 2: defense is going to be a little bit more mysterious.

739
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 2: It brought in like seventy nude guys. I don't know

740
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 2: who's gonna pop and who's not gonna pop. So I'm

741
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 2: gonna give Stanford at home, maybe with a little juice

742
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 2: joining a new conference, that they can hang around in

743
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 2: this one. So I have TCU winning this close. But

744
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 2: Stanford hanging around. So wow, thirty one twenty seven.

745
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: That line is conspicuously low, and my first thought was, oh,

746
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 1: Vegas knows something, steer into it. Yeahs, Vegas definitely knows

747
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: something on this one. So I'm with you on the

748
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: Stanford front. I agree that's an interesting matchup. And then

749
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 1: just two other ones real quick that I'll throw out here,

750
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: and both are kind of in the same vein. But

751
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: Western Michigan at Wisconsin, Western Carolina at NC State, both

752
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: of the favorites are going to win there easily. I

753
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: would expect. I shouldn't say that two definitively given what

754
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,240
Speaker 1: we saw in week zero, but I would expect Wisconsin

755
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: and NC State will win those games handily.

756
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 2: Same.

757
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: I just want to see Grayson McCall and TVD in

758
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: new systems. I want to see what they look like.

759
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 1: I want to see if TVD looks comfortable. I want

760
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 1: to see if Grayson McCall looks comfortable. Both should have

761
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: good games. Again, consider the competition, but that to me

762
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 1: is two storylines worth following because I think we're pretty

763
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: high in NC State and we both are at least

764
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: curious about Wisconsin what they'd look like with better quarterback play.

765
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: So let's see. Let's just see what they look like

766
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 1: in week one. There are other games here that we

767
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: do not have a chance to get through. As I said,

768
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: twenty seven in total on Thursday and Friday before we

769
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: kick things off on Saturday. Then there's a game on Sunday.

770
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: There's also a game on Monday. If you tune into

771
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: the episode would drop a little later this week. We're

772
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: going to talk through all those games in a lot

773
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: more detail, give you our full slate of picks. But

774
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: for the time being anyway, that's what you have to

775
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: look forward to later on this week before we get

776
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: to the first real Saturday of the college football season.

777
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: I should add at this point in time, Dan, if

778
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,720
Speaker 1: I could play, you are doing a new video show.

779
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: Are we not called Big Ten Breakfast?

780
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 2: Big Ten Breakfast? Every single week this week is Thursday.

781
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 2: Every single week Friday, nine am Eastern. This is the

782
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,760
Speaker 2: only week in which there are Big ten games on Thursday,

783
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 2: or a Big ten game in North Carolina Minnesota. Re

784
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 2: Wind the episode a few minutes if you missed it.

785
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 2: I can't wait. It's gonna be great. There's eighteen teams.

786
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 2: There are eighteen teams in the Big Ten. Now you

787
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 2: and I are both technically Big ten alums, so it's

788
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 2: a coast to coast conference. It's huge and the storylines

789
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 2: are massive. You want more room to talk Rutgers, so

790
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 2: I'm giving you that room.

791
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,479
Speaker 1: Heel monster baby.

792
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we like Breakfast. It's happening in the mornings

793
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 2: live nine am Eastern on our YouTube channel. You can

794
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 2: find it at Big ten Breakfast dot com and couldn't

795
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: be more thrilled to dig a little bit deeper into

796
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: one of or the biggest of college football's conferences. You

797
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 2: can go to Big ten Breakfast dot com.

798
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: We bought the domain'll that'll forward you over to our

799
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: YouTube channel. Big deal, forward you over to the YouTube

800
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: channel where you can hit subscribes that you don't miss

801
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 1: any of the episodes. But we're excited about it's most

802
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: of what we've done over the years has been you know,

803
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 1: podcast form, that's been audio. This is our first foray

804
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: into a video only thing. So if you like it,

805
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: let us know, if you think we can do something better,

806
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: let us know. We have complete creative freedom to do

807
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: whatever we want with Big ten Breakfast and I look

808
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: forward to it.

809
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,760
Speaker 2: It was either this or Ty was going to stream

810
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Speaker 2: himself playing rollercoaster tycoon, right, and we settled on this,

811
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 2: and time will tell whether or not that this was

812
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 2: a good decision or not if this was yeah, indeed,

813
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Speaker 2: all right, Well we've got one final segment here, yeah, baby,

814
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 2: on this episode.

815
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 1: We've done this now for three years running. We found

816
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: out a couple of years ago by happenstance while scrolling Twitter,

817
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: that our friend Dan Carlin of Hardcore History was a

818
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: huge Colorado Buffaloes fan. We had no idea, did you

819
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: know he's into college football? And then the more we dug,

820
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 1: the more we realize, Oh, this guy knows his ball.

821
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: He knows what he's talking about. He's very into.

822
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 2: He would disagree, as he would disagree, but I you know,

823
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 2: he's doing himself an injustice because he's already smarter than

824
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: most of the people we talked to.

825
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: He knows the stuff, specifically about Colorado. So we were

826
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Speaker 1: thrilled to have Dan Carlin on with us. Recorded the

827
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: interview last week and want to play that back for

828
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: you now. So Dan Carlin talking Colorado, talking college football

829
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Speaker 1: as a whole, talking how you can find out more

830
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: about what he is working on these days without further, Ado,

831
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: Let's kick it over to our good friend Dan Carlin.

832
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 1: All Right, Dan, this is the third year now that

833
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 1: we have gone through true participated in this new tradition

834
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 1: of hours where we bring Dan Carlin from hardcore history

835
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: onto the solid verbal to talk a little college football.

836
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Speaker 1: Mister Carlin, it is a pleasure as always to have

837
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: you on the show. How are you.

838
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Speaker 3: Hold that thought? Man? Like I told you a second ago,

839
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 3: I've never felt more ignorant about what's going on in

840
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 3: college football, and I feel like each year I've been

841
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,720
Speaker 3: on here, I've known less about it. So we're heading

842
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 3: towards oblivion here in terms of my knowledge.

843
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 2: You're listen, we follow the sport every day and we've

844
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 2: never known less. There's nobody that knows anything truly about

845
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 2: this ridiculous sport. So you're in good company.

846
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 3: I think I knew more. I was trying to think

847
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 3: ahead of time before I came on here. I bet

848
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 3: I knew more about the entire Division I college football

849
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 3: every over one hundred teams ten years ago than I

850
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 3: know about my own team now. And I'm paying attention,

851
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 3: but it doesn't seem to matter there. I mean, people come,

852
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 3: people go in stone, I'm completely lost, and so would.

853
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 2: You feel better if we just talked talked about sey

854
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 2: Fulufau right now and just like the twenty fourteen Colorado Buffaloes,

855
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 2: would that be easier?

856
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 3: I don't know. The twenty fourteen was pretty bad. The

857
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen is the only good memory I think I

858
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 3: have for that old era. My daughter says to me

859
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 3: all the time, because you've never been good, I said,

860
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 3: only since you've been born have we not been good?

861
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 3: We were great up until then.

862
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Speaker 1: So here's my question for you. You say you've never

863
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: known less. Do you feel like that's because so much

864
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 1: of the sport has changed or is it just because

865
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: you've been busy. I know you've been very busy on

866
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: your front as well. I feel like we have received

867
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: feedback to that extent from a lot of people who

868
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: listen to our show. We've joked on our podcast about

869
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: we need refrigerator magnets to remind people of what's new

870
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: so that they feel re engaged with the sport. Like

871
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: you are not alone. I think on some level to

872
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: what do you attribute maybe that malaise is that the

873
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: right word.

874
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 3: It's not me and it's not being busy because I

875
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 3: think I'm down to one sport. As I may have

876
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 3: told you before, I used to have lots of sports

877
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 3: when I was younger, but you know, you get kids,

878
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 3: you get life, sports change. College football is all I

879
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 3: have now, so I put all the energy that used

880
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 3: to be spread over multiple sports into this. So it's

881
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 3: not me and as a matter of fact, we all

882
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 3: have more outlets for finding out information than we've ever had.

883
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 3: I was reminiscing the other day with a friend. I

884
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 3: graduated college in nineteen eighty nine and I had to

885
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 3: sign up for a newspaper that they snail mailed to

886
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 3: your house about your team, and that's how the Buffalo

887
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 3: Sports News it was called. I can still remember it.

888
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 3: I have them all up in the attic, I think, right,

889
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 3: But there was no other way to stay on top

890
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 3: of what was going on. But I was a fanatic

891
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 3: about it and I still try. But you know, I

892
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 3: think we may have even touched on this when we

893
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 3: were together last time. But it reminds me of free

894
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 3: agency in baseball a little, because when I started really

895
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 3: falling baseball, it was after the free agent decisions, but

896
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 3: before the impact, right. I think Reggie Jackson was the

897
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 3: first time where we were like what happened there? But

898
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 3: once that happened, we went from a time when I

899
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,720
Speaker 3: used to be able and I was far from alone,

900
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 3: far from alone. I used to be able to give

901
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 3: you the starting lineups of every team in baseball off

902
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 3: the top of my head as a seven year old

903
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 3: or a six year old or an eight year old.

904
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 3: But that's because they didn't change very often. Right, And

905
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 3: then once you start me, I mean, the Baltimore Orioles

906
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 3: had like the same starting lineup for like the nineteen seventies,

907
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 3: practically right, the Dodgers same thing. I can still name

908
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 3: the Dodgers lineup. But once free agency comes in, there's

909
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 3: a lot more plugging and playing. And I have never ever,

910
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 3: ever denied for one second that it's more just and

911
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 3: more correct and more capitalistic and more free market and

912
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 3: everything for the players. It absolutely is. I'm not so

913
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 3: sure it is for the game, but I'm not so

914
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 3: sure how much that matters in the grand scheme of things.

915
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 3: But what it's contributed to to answer the question is

916
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,280
Speaker 3: my good. I mean, I go to these message boards

917
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 3: for my team, and every two weeks, I want to say,

918
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 3: somebody there prints a brand new list of the you know,

919
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 3: first teamers and the second teamers because none of us

920
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 3: can follow what's going on, so it's not just me.

921
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: Well, here's what you need to do, Dan, you need

922
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: to convert your fandom over to Clemson because they're not

923
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: doing any of that. Colorado is the epicenter for all

924
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: things transfer portally.

925
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 3: Oh, it's the worst. There's no question it's the worst.

926
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: Yes, you need to find a team where there is

927
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: less changing. Dabo Swiney would, I'm sure happily have you

928
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: on his side.

929
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, if he thinks he's getting out of this without

930
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 3: having to join, he's just one of those last stubborn

931
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 3: putting his feet in the dirt and saying I'm not going,

932
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 3: but I have a feeling he's going. It's yeah. I

933
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 3: was gonna compare it to something I shouldn't compare it to.

934
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 3: But listen, I'm like a Cubs fan at this point

935
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 3: before they end. I mean, it is what it is.

936
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:51,760
Speaker 3: Once it's in your blood, you're stuck.

937
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: And wouldn't you want me to?

938
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 3: Who would respect me if all of a sudden I

939
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 3: just switched my fandom to some school I have no

940
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 3: I was gonna say that I have no, I don't

941
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 3: have any connection to any other schools. And here's the

942
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 3: worst part, guys, you want to hear the tragedy that

943
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 3: is my life. My wife is a Washington State grad

944
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 3: and her entire family and I mean all of her

945
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 3: siblings and there are a bunch of them, and both

946
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 3: parents and two grandparents all went to Oregon State. So

947
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 3: things are really up in the air, unsettled and borderline

948
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 3: you know, aggressive around here right now?

949
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 2: Do you think this it makes I mean, look, Colorado's

950
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: a unique circumstance because of how many different players have

951
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 2: come in and out, and we'll see how it works

952
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 2: out this year. But do you think this and you

953
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 2: alluded to this a little bit and talking about you know,

954
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 2: depth charts looking different week to week in the off season,

955
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 2: does this make you root for the helmet more than ever?

956
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: Where you're just sort of watching Colorado football like it's

957
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 2: in some ways like an old football video game where

958
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 2: it just sort of says wide receiver number four, quarterback

959
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 2: number nine, right where it's not the names as much

960
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 2: as just like the golden helmet and Ralphie running out

961
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 2: on the field.

962
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 3: I don't know if fun there yet. I do know

963
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 3: that I've already run into the trying to sort of

964
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 3: get to know and root for certain players, you know,

965
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 3: in the first year of the Dione Sanders thing, and

966
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 3: players that you think, Okay, a lot of people are

967
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 3: going to come and go, but this person will still

968
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 3: be here we want and then they're gone and you're

969
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 3: just like, Okay, what am I doing here? When do

970
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 3: you start caring? I mean, look, I want all these

971
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 3: people to play well, but from what I understand, and

972
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 3: I'm again, I'm ignorant. That's going to be my phrase

973
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 3: for the show, my catchphrase. I have to have a

974
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 3: T shirt made up. But I don't think some of

975
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 3: these players even have to go to school anymore since COVID.

976
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 3: I think some of these people can do it virtually,

977
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 3: which is fine. I don't have a problem with it,

978
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 3: but it detaches us from the school, even more so

979
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 3: when you're talking about rooting for the helmet if they're

980
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 3: not even I mean, I think I made a joke

981
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 3: the last time I was on your show about the

982
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 3: last bastion that separates college from pro and that's the

983
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 3: fact that you have to have the stadium and the

984
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 3: team play in the same time on where the university is.

985
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 3: But what happens when that first team says listen, you

986
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 3: know the Ducks could be that team. They're innovative, right,

987
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 3: Somebody could say, look, come to Vegas. We'll give you

988
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 3: five hundred million a year. You could still be the

989
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 3: Oregon Ducks. You're still associated with the university. We'll still

990
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 3: have priority seating for your students. But you know you

991
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 3: play in Vegas now, I mean, that's the last thing

992
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 3: separating the two, right. And here's the thing. Some of

993
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 3: these schools play in great places already. If you're in LA,

994
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 3: you're in a mass media market where you'd have an

995
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 3: NFL team too. But some of these people play I

996
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 3: mean Ames Iowa. If that team could go to New

997
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 3: York and become you know, the New York Cyclones affiliated

998
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,919
Speaker 3: with the University Iowa state you, but I mean, that's

999
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 3: the last bastion. When we pierce that, it's all over.

1000
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: So notably, you are a Colorado fan, and after I

1001
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: want to say Week one last season, you and I

1002
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: had exchanged some emails because Colorado was very much in

1003
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: vogue right beating TC. That was like the moment in

1004
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: Week one last season. What was the ride like for you?

1005
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: As a Colorado fan following the team week in and

1006
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: week out, because polarizing, controversial, but very very very much

1007
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: in the headlines throughout the course of the season. Can

1008
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: you describe what that experience was like from your end?

1009
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 3: Oh, it's weird, man, it is. It's weird, and it's

1010
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 3: weird for any number of reasons. First, the TCU game

1011
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 3: was specifically weird because, put yourself in my shoes, we

1012
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 3: had no idea what to expect, right, So that, first

1013
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 3: of all, first games are that way for everybody, right,

1014
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 3: especially in this area with so many transfers. You're kind

1015
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 3: of like, Okay, I think I know what's coming, but

1016
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 3: I don't. If you're playing you know, the Sisters of

1017
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 3: the Poor or something, it's not a big deal. But

1018
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 3: if you're playing a significant game in your first game,

1019
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 3: you're kind of going, gosh, I hope we show up.

1020
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 3: I hope this is good. I hope the offensive line

1021
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 3: is better all that stuff. So when things went so

1022
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 3: well against TCU, and this was before Remember TCU had

1023
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 3: played in the National Championship Game the year before, so

1024
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 3: the idea was that this is some awesome, awesome TCU team.

1025
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 3: So you kind of afterwards were scratching your head, going Okay, well,

1026
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 3: now what do we have here? Right? I didn't know

1027
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 3: before the game, and I don't know after the game,

1028
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 3: but I started thinking. You know, I'm a cynic and

1029
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 3: a pessimist, so I never get like really excited, but

1030
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 3: I was going, Okay, maybe it won't be that bad.

1031
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 3: But I did know, and everybody else did too, because

1032
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 3: we're all ignorant, but not that ignorant that there was

1033
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 3: not depth. And you know when you don't have depth,

1034
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 3: you know what happens as the season goes on, Right,

1035
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 3: The games get tougher and you have less people to

1036
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 3: stretch out. And as we've been told by everybody who's

1037
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 3: ever played the game ever, everybody's hurt after a couple

1038
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,959
Speaker 3: of weeks into the season, and so at that point

1039
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 3: you can start to see teams grind down, right, And

1040
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 3: that's what definitely what happened to the Buffs. And it

1041
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 3: wasn't the first time I've seen it, though, so I've

1042
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 3: been to that rodeo before.

1043
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,919
Speaker 2: Where were you emotionally during and after the Nebraska game?

1044
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 2: Just because you've said a lot that that is what

1045
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 2: you grew up on emotionally, your hatred for the color

1046
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 2: and for all things Nebraska. So in Colorado has that,

1047
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,280
Speaker 2: you know, arguably the most impressive win of the season,

1048
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 2: given what the final score was, What was your roller

1049
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,280
Speaker 2: coaster of emotion that Saturday and immediately the after.

1050
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 3: Well, that was weirder for me than any Nebraska game ever,

1051
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,720
Speaker 3: because it was the only one I've ever been to live,

1052
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 3: the only one I was ever because I I'm one

1053
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 3: of those few people that enjoys watching the games on

1054
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 3: television better than live. I can't see enough live, right,

1055
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 3: I want nine hundred angles. I want slow motion. I

1056
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 3: want replay. I want to hear the stupid, inane things

1057
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 3: the announcers are saying all that stuff, right, I want

1058
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 3: high daft, I want you know, So the only thing

1059
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 3: that's better about live is I can see what the

1060
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 3: cornerbacks are doing, and I can see a little farther downfield.

1061
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 3: But otherwise, you know, so I never go, especially Nebraska.

1062
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 3: I can't be around other human beings, and so being

1063
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 3: around other people's always dicey. But the university has been

1064
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 3: very nice to me, and they invited me, and they

1065
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 3: kind of it was not a thing that would have

1066
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 3: been cool to turn down. So I went and My

1067
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 3: wife's brother, an Oregon State grad, worked for Nebraska. I

1068
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 3: almost disowned him, but he worked for Nebraska, and so

1069
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 3: he and some of the Nebraska buddies came with us.

1070
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 3: He had tickets too, and so we went to the

1071
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 3: game together. We stayed in Denver because you couldn't get

1072
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 3: a place in Boulder. Drove up there together and they're

1073
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 3: all in their Nebraska gear and I said, did you

1074
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 3: guys bring something to change into, you know, once the

1075
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 3: game's over, And they said, what are you talking about.

1076
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 3: My wife gets on me every time she goes, oh,

1077
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 3: you make this big deal like it's going to be

1078
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 3: a problem or something. None of these kids even remember

1079
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 3: what it was, blah blah blah. Right, so everybody's giving

1080
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 3: me a hard time. Fine, okay, no problem. So we

1081
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 3: get there and it's already getting like a little weird

1082
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 3: when people are in cars looking at us. So we

1083
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,399
Speaker 3: get there. I have a space to park the car.

1084
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 3: It came with the ticket, right, So we parked the car.

1085
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 3: They take a few pictures. My wife and I leave

1086
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 3: to go to the game. They stay afterwards a little bit,

1087
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 3: so I find out later the minute we left, a

1088
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 3: cop came up to them. All in their Nebraska gear

1089
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 3: and said do you have a right to park here?

1090
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 3: And they said, oh, yeah, you know, we're with with

1091
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,399
Speaker 3: Dan said spell his last name, and so the first

1092
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 3: thing they get a real hard time from the cops

1093
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 3: right away, right so they go in. I'm hearing all

1094
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 3: these stories. I can't even tell some of the stories.

1095
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 3: They're actually very funny, but they're a little too raunchy

1096
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 3: for me to tell. But apparently the young people of

1097
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 3: Colorado were embracing the stories that they had heard about

1098
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 3: the rivalry because it was rough. And eventually my brother

1099
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 3: in law of his friends ended up leaving early and

1100
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 3: we took an uber back to Denver because they did

1101
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,240
Speaker 3: not bring a change of clothes and it was rough.

1102
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 3: So so, actually, though it was it was a very

1103
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 3: interesting time. I was on the field for a little

1104
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 3: bit looking around, and it was a it was a

1105
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 3: great scene. It was sold out, it was crazy.

1106
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,399
Speaker 2: So then you fast forward a couple weeks later and

1107
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 2: Colorado is the sort of I won't call it the

1108
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 2: toast of college football, but certainly the TV ratings are there,

1109
00:52:56,239 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 2: the conversation is there, and the buffs now come to

1110
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 2: your hometown, not hometown, but where you live in Eugene, Oregon.

1111
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:09,919
Speaker 2: For a huge matchup and emotions are you know, running high.

1112
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 2: What was your experience watching that game? As you know,

1113
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 2: a team you're familiar with, an Oregon sort of has

1114
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 2: its way with Colorado and I think deflates the season

1115
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 2: in a very specific way.

1116
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 3: Well, I happened to be It's funny, I don't go

1117
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 3: to that many games, but I happened to be at

1118
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 3: a game while that game was going on at Utah

1119
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,399
Speaker 3: because my daughter goes to Utah, and I forget who

1120
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 3: Utah was playing.

1121
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:34,280
Speaker 2: No, Utah was playing UCLA.

1122
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,919
Speaker 3: I think that week, Yes, okay Ucla, Sorry, all right,

1123
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 3: And but so I was trying to stay on top

1124
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,240
Speaker 3: of it with scoring updates. But the the Wi Fi

1125
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 3: in the stadium was not awesome. But I remember looking

1126
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 3: down and it was quickly out of hand and I

1127
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 3: was like, oh no, I had thoughts about that though

1128
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 3: it was not a good you know, they say styles

1129
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 3: make fights, and that was not a good matchup. Anyway,

1130
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 3: I was hoping, you know, you always hope that certain

1131
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,720
Speaker 3: people can pull rabbits out of hats. And the Dion

1132
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 3: Sanders thing, if there's one thing you can say about him,

1133
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,959
Speaker 3: is that stuff happens sometimes that are inexplicable with him,

1134
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 3: and so you can sometimes magically project that onto him

1135
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 3: when otherwise common sense would say, you know, you have

1136
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 3: no chance in this game or whatever.

1137
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 2: What was your experience like last year as a Dion

1138
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 2: Sanders a coach prime close observer, that the sort of

1139
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 2: ups and downs, the entertainment factor, the positive and negative

1140
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 2: attention he received. How did you feel about Dion under

1141
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 2: a Boulder microscope last year?

1142
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm not a close observer. Let's not let anybody

1143
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 3: get I mean, I watch like other fans watch. But

1144
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 3: I'll tell you that here's the thing with mister Sanders, coach, prime, whatever,

1145
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 3: whatever we're gonna call him, is that he's too flashy

1146
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 3: for me personally. I'm not a flashy guy. I'm I'm

1147
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 3: the old man who yells at the clouds, who wants

1148
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 3: his running back after he scores to hand the football,

1149
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 3: you know, to the rest. So that's just my style.

1150
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 3: So it's not my style. And I think we may

1151
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 3: have talked about this, but at the time he shows up,

1152
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,399
Speaker 3: he is an answer to a prayer, which is we're

1153
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 3: entering a time of mass change in Colorado football. As

1154
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 3: it tries to figure out how it's going to handle

1155
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,399
Speaker 3: realignment and whether or not it's going to end up

1156
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 3: in a meaningful conference. However, many of those there's going

1157
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 3: to end up being when the musical chairs game stops.

1158
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 3: And I guess what I'm saying is I could have

1159
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 3: waited around another decade or decade and a half for

1160
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 3: a coach who was more my style, who was going

1161
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 3: to try to do things the old fashioned, But when

1162
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 3: you need the electrical paddles after your heart stops to

1163
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 3: resurrect things quickly, I feel like the guy was a

1164
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 3: shot to adrenaline straight into the program's heart at a

1165
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 3: time when we just didn't have a lot of time

1166
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 3: to sit around a few more years and figure it out,

1167
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 3: especially with the PAC twelve collapsing around us. And you know,

1168
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 3: I'm going to give Rick George some credit here the

1169
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 3: ad I mean maneuvering around those kinds of things and

1170
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 3: trying to not be the last couple of teams that

1171
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 3: don't have a place to sit when the musical chairs

1172
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,280
Speaker 3: get I mean, the tragedy of Oregon State and Washington

1173
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 3: State has not quite been felt yet. Wait till the

1174
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 3: season starts, and wait till wait till you run out

1175
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 3: of this pack two thing, and they're left trying to

1176
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 3: either find a conference or to backfill you know what

1177
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 3: used to be the Conference of Champions with you know,

1178
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna malign any schools, but schools that just

1179
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 3: you know, would have figured out last in the conference

1180
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 3: last year. So we'll see how it goes. But but

1181
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,439
Speaker 3: I listen, Colorado needed something like this at the time.

1182
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 3: I hope it works out well. I do think, as

1183
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 3: everyone should, the key season is not this year, it

1184
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 3: is next year. It is one is Deon Sanders there.

1185
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 3: That's question number two is and I've said this always,

1186
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 3: but especially since the Dan Hawkins years when we had

1187
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 3: Dan Hawkins's kid starting at quarterback, that I don't like

1188
00:56:55,760 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 3: that Shadoor Sanders is amazingly talented. I think he is

1189
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 3: the best passing quarterback to ever play at Colorado, but

1190
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 3: I don't love that the coach is the dad, right,

1191
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 3: And I don't like that that we've got a safety

1192
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 3: who's coaches that I have bad memories, not with Dion Sanders,

1193
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 3: but it's just it's so next year when both those

1194
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 3: kids are gone and Travis Hunter his sort of adopted

1195
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 3: kid is gone. If he's still there, I think that's

1196
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 3: gonna be his real first year of coaching, you know,

1197
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 3: I mean in the full sense of the word right

1198
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 3: where there are no heartstrings, where nothing besides winning is

1199
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 3: what matters, and we're not worried about our kids or

1200
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 3: anything we'll see. So to me, that's the big question

1201
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 3: mark here.

1202
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: What are the vibes like on the message boards right now?

1203
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 3: Dan Oh, I hate this time of year. I hate

1204
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 3: it because I hate it because the vibes a few

1205
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 3: months ago were people actually talking about things that seem

1206
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 3: to matter. But now everything has been played out to

1207
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 3: the point where they're almost yelling at each other over politics,

1208
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 3: you know. I mean, there's nothing left to say we have.

1209
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 3: What's the old line is, you've got to play a

1210
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 3: game now there to be material to talk about. So

1211
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 3: I think some of the Colorado message boards are getting

1212
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 3: some fuel from the press versus Dion Sanders or the

1213
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 3: other fan bases versus Dion Sanders stuff. I don't know

1214
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 3: what that is. To me, that's just Dion's always been

1215
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 3: good at Dion like he's my buddy, but you know,

1216
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 3: he's always been good at that. That's sort of one

1217
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 3: of his superpowers. I think he uses it as motivation.

1218
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 3: I mean, remember the line last year with Nebraska coach

1219
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 3: Rule at Nebraska said something pretty innocuous. I don't remember

1220
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 3: it rubbing me the wrong way, and I'm sensitive. But boy,

1221
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 3: he took it and ran with it and became a

1222
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 3: motivational message board tool. And that may be genius, right.

1223
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 3: That might not be a knee jerk reaction. That might

1224
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:50,919
Speaker 3: be you know, so jury is still out, but I'll

1225
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 3: tell you what everything else aside, the guy has put

1226
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 3: Colorado football back on the map. We're selling tons of stuff.

1227
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 3: The ratings are frankly unbelieveable. This Nebraska game this year.

1228
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 3: I would be shocked if it wasn't one of the

1229
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 3: top three ratings games early in the year. And that's crazy,

1230
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 3: right for two programs that haven't been anywhere in quite

1231
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 3: some time. So we'll see. But listen, they've given an

1232
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 3: old man hope. Right.

1233
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: Well, hey, that was gonna be my next question. So

1234
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: what we saw year one under Dion. I think even

1235
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 1: if the wins weren't there for sure, he pumped a

1236
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: lot of energy into that program. It has been a

1237
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 1: revolving door with respect to the transfer portal and the

1238
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: depth charts. As we described here a little bit earlier.

1239
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: What does success look like for a Colorado fan in

1240
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 1: year two under dion? Is it making a bowl? Is

1241
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: it establishing more stability? Is like? What is when you

1242
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 1: think of it in terms of a season that has

1243
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: yet to be played? How will you judge what we

1244
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: see in twenty twenty four?

1245
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 3: Well, let me first say about last year that I

1246
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 3: don't know that I think the win total was all

1247
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 3: that surprising. I think the streakiness of it, right, to

1248
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 3: win a few and then lose all the rest was disappointing.

1249
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 3: And I also think blowing certain games that Stanford game

1250
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 3: is going to turn out to be one of the

1251
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 3: great losses.

1252
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: You know.

1253
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 3: So it's sometimes the way it happens, not that it happened.

1254
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 3: If you told me we only got four wins last

1255
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 3: year but we got better, I think I would have

1256
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 3: been okay with that. Maybe not the way it happened.

1257
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 3: So then we come to this year, Well, listen, we've

1258
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 3: kind of mortgaged everything, right. I mean, it's the Shadeur

1259
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 3: Sanders Travis Hunter show here, and it's there's a certain

1260
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 3: get the most out of it you can feeling because

1261
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 3: you feel like there's got to be a drop off

1262
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 3: next year and we're not exactly backfilling the program with

1263
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 3: high school recruits really well, we're not stockpile and all that.

1264
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 3: So there's it is going to be interesting to see

1265
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 3: if you could have a turn and burn transfer portal

1266
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 3: strategy every year. I mean here in Eugene, they haven't

1267
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 3: really it's been a while since they've developed a quarterback

1268
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 3: in house, right, And we used to joke about how

1269
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 3: what good quarterback would come to the Ducks when every

1270
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 3: year they just show they just go grab one from elsewhere, right,

1271
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 3: And I thought, is that a sustainable strategy? Well now everybody,

1272
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 3: especially Sanders, but everybody's doing it with everybody, right. So uh,

1273
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 3: that's why I keep saying next year is the big

1274
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 3: one for me. But this year I feel like my

1275
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 3: expectations are higher because there's going to be such a

1276
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 3: drop off and you need to kind of win.

1277
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 2: Now.

1278
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 3: I would love to see eight wins.

1279
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1280
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 3: I think Vegas correct me if I'm wrong. Guys you

1281
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 3: may not know this either, because you know, Colorado football

1282
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 3: is so big that everybody pays attention. But five point

1283
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 3: five I think is the over under on wins, so

1284
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 3: eight would be an outperformance there. Nine is impossible. I

1285
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Speaker 3: don't have it. And of course, you know, beat Nebraska.

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Speaker 3: I mean there's there's that that's worth two to me

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Speaker 3: right there. Maybe because because guys, let me just say it,

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Speaker 3: the old the meme that's going around is it's been.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Letten, I have a lot of lists Nebraska.

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Speaker 3: I don't mean to upset anyone. This is just fun, right,

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Speaker 3: But five thousand days, guys since you've beaten us so

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Speaker 3: and this will be five in a row. I think

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Speaker 3: is it five.

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Speaker 1: In a row?

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Speaker 3: We'll see it's been. I love you guys in Nebraska.

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Speaker 3: I love you.

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Speaker 2: What do you think about the return to the Big twelve?

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Speaker 2: You mentioned Rick George maneuvering, and you sort of lamented

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Speaker 2: before that, you know, your your scar tissue. We call

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Speaker 2: it as a you know, as a fan was in

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Speaker 2: the Big twelve, was with Nebraska, was with Oklahoma, was

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Speaker 2: with all these teams and before that the Big Eight.

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Speaker 2: Does it feel nice to land back in the Big twelve?

1304
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 2: I know you're a West Coast guy, and also laments

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01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 2: the dissolution of the Pac twelve. Where's your head? In

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01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 2: terms of Colorado kind of back at home in this conference.

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Speaker 3: It is weird, isn't It's like going back to your

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01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 3: old neighborhood and moving back in, But the neighbors have

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01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 3: all changed, right, And some of your favorite neighbors that

1310
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 3: brought the most cachet of the community are the ones

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01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 3: that are gone.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: You know, not not to upset an entire different fan base,

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Speaker 3: and I normally upset, but but I don't mind Texas

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Speaker 3: being gone. Texas is a tough team to be in

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01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 3: the same league with. I think there's a lot of

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01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 3: teams that would agree to it. There's there's a bunch

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Speaker 3: of teams that are tough to be in the same

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Speaker 3: league with. And Texas is they tend to be. They're

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Speaker 3: a little like the blob that old horror movie. They

1321
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 3: just sort of take over a little at a time

1322
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 3: and you turn around all of a sudden, the league

1323
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Speaker 3: offices are in Dallas, and oh my god, I mean

1324
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Speaker 3: it just you know, these things just sort of happen.

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Speaker 1: J R.

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Speaker 3: Ewing is over there running the entire thing, and they

1327
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 3: have their own network, and oh my god, so Texas

1328
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 3: can go have fun. They'll they'll the Southeast Conference is

1329
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 3: actually a good place for them. I think Oklahoma though.

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Speaker 3: If you could give me Oklahoma and Nebraska back in

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01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 3: the Big twelve, that'ud just be fine with me. But

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Speaker 3: without them, it is like going to the neighborhood and

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01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 3: there's listen, it's gonna look like a power conference next

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01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 3: to whatever the Pac two morphs into. You know, and

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01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 3: look it is. Here's the thing, it is a power conference.

1336
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 3: Maybe not in football. The basketball thing is brilliant. I

1337
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 3: was listening to what their chancellor was saying about how

1338
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 3: he's going to create such a strong basketball conference that

1339
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 3: you can't ignore them as a conference even if they're

1340
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 3: not one of the top two football ones. It's a

1341
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 3: great head strategy. It keeps you relevant, right, and you're

1342
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 3: large enough so that you just can't. So the goal here,

1343
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 3: right is positioning who's going to end up in the

1344
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 3: super conference, who's going to be amalgamated, and who's going

1345
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 3: to get left out? And this is the game Clemson

1346
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 3: and FSU are worried about being left out of right,

1347
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 3: it'll be interesting. And then what happens to Notre Dame

1348
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 3: and is the whole independent thing in football even the

1349
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 3: thing anymore? You guys, are going to know more about

1350
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 3: that than I am. But for a traditionalist and a

1351
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 3: history not like yours, truly, it's all very hard and

1352
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 3: an old guy.

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01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, how much non Colorado football are you going

1354
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:52,439
Speaker 2: to watch this year?

1355
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:52,919
Speaker 1: A lot?

1356
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 2: Does it make it more exciting that we're going to

1357
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 2: have new big matchups that you know, Ohio State's going

1358
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 2: to be in Eugene and George is gonna be in Austin, Texas?

1359
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 2: Or does this make you sort of hunker down more

1360
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 2: and just sort of lock in on Colorado.

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01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 3: Well, according to my wife, I'm not a college football fan.

1362
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 3: I'm a Colorado football fan, so okay, because she watches

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01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 3: all the games and she'll say, let's watch a game

1364
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 3: and I'll look and it'll be you know, vander Built

1365
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 3: Rutgers and I'll be like, yeah, no, I'm not in

1366
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 3: the mood. She'd be like, oh, you don't really like

1367
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 3: college football. So but she's probably right to a degree.

1368
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 3: I don't know. Sometimes, as you guys know too, sometimes

1369
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 3: there were just teams that are fun and that take

1370
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 3: over the year that I mean, Boise State for a

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01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 3: couple of years was you know, must watch football. Or

1372
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 3: sometimes there's teams that have either interesting or scandalous or

1373
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 3: whatever backstories. I'm old enough to remember those Miami teams

1374
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 3: that dressed in camouflage. I remember I was working at

1375
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 3: ABC in LA and they were this is probably ninety

1376
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 3: ninety one in there, and it was Notre Dame against

1377
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 3: against Miami, And that was the year one of the

1378
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 3: producers who was a big Notre Dame fan, came in

1379
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 3: wearing the Catholics versus the Convicts sweatshirt. So Miami was

1380
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 3: must watch back then because I mean, they just you

1381
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 3: couldn't take your eyes off them, right, So sometimes you

1382
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 3: get those kind of teams, and then sometimes there's players

1383
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 3: where you just look and you just go. I mean,

1384
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think who the last person you just

1385
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,920
Speaker 3: couldn't take your eyes off was. Reggie Bush was a

1386
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 3: little like that, Remember where you look at the highlights.

1387
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 3: I remember Randy Moss. I've never gotten over even as

1388
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 3: a pro would Randy Moss. You'd be like, he's like

1389
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 3: playing against boys. So sometimes that's enough to get me watching.

1390
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 3: To take it back to the question, but no, I mean, listen,

1391
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 3: I think, rightly or wrongly, because he's a national brand,

1392
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 3: Dion Sanders is going to be one of the big

1393
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 3: stories this year, and because there's a lot of people

1394
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 3: that want him to fail and are going to revel

1395
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 3: in that if that happens. So it's weird to have

1396
01:06:57,600 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 3: my team be you know, we talked about this last year,

1397
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 3: So weird to have the be relevant and the hate

1398
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 3: is interesting. So anyway, we'll see. I'm excited. I don't

1399
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 3: know how you get big twelve games. By the way,

1400
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 3: I don't know how I'm seeing this on television now.

1401
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to figure a lot of things out.

1402
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 1: We will make those refrigerator magnets. We'll send you one.

1403
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 1: Just We'll send you a magnet that will give you

1404
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 1: all the links. We'll give you all the info.

1405
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 3: That's what I'd love to know, other than quarterback, what

1406
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 3: our team looks like.

1407
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 1: Positionally, his name is Dan Carlin, of course of hardcore history.

1408
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 1: It is always a pleasure to have him on this show,

1409
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 1: just to talk Colorado, just to talk college football from

1410
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 1: a thirty thousand foot view. It is always a pleasure.

1411
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 1: The third straight year that we've done this. Now, Dan,

1412
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 1: what you been working on? What's keeping you busy these days?

1413
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 1: Where can people find your work?

1414
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, okay, Well, people can find my work at

1415
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 3: the website dancarlon dot com or wherever you get fine

1416
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 3: podcasts anywhere. Just you know, working on lots of stuff

1417
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 3: that involves kids in colleges and traveling and moving people

1418
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 3: into apartments and all that kind of stuff. So trying

1419
01:07:58,400 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 3: to figure out a way to get into the studio

1420
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 3: with all of life intervening. I'm sure you guys can

1421
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 3: relate a pleasure.

1422
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 1: As always, we will do this again soon. We'll try

1423
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 1: to reach out at some point during the season and

1424
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 1: see how you're holding up with Colorado. But to the

1425
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 1: best of your ability, enjoy the Colorado season in twenty

1426
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 1: twenty four.

1427
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 3: Oh, thanks for having me on again, guys, and continued success.

1428
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 1: Thank you. All Right, there you go. We have renewed

1429
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 1: another year of the Dan Carlin tradition, bringing him on

1430
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 1: to the Soliverbal. We went to the same high school

1431
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:30,719
Speaker 1: you did. Dan and I went to the same high school,

1432
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:33,720
Speaker 1: separated by a few years, but it turns out we

1433
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 1: have at least one or two of the same teachers

1434
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 1: either way. So yeah, there's the connection is alive and

1435
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 1: well tie great to have him on. Go and check

1436
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 1: out his work. Dan Carlin, one of the OG's here

1437
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:46,640
Speaker 1: in the podcasting world. Yeah, hardcore history one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite shows. All right, look, hit follow, hit subscribe. If

1439
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:53,880
Speaker 1: you enjoyed this episode, make sure you listen a little

1440
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 1: later on in the week when we do the full

1441
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,640
Speaker 1: week one preview thing that's going to drop to the

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Speaker 1: feed thurday morning. You can watch that out on YouTube

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01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 1: around noon Eastern on again our YouTube channel, YouTube dot com,

1444
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Speaker 1: slash at Solid Verbal. We mentioned earlier Big ten Breakfast,

1445
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:14,719
Speaker 1: something else you can look forward to. We're gonna drop

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01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:17,800
Speaker 1: that on Thursday. It's going to run live nine am

1447
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:21,240
Speaker 1: Eastern Time on Thursday and last, but certainly not at least.

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Speaker 1: Run the Board is our pickup game. Compete for a

1449
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 1: five hundred dollars visa gift card dan unless unless you

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Speaker 1: don't want compte, unless you don't want compete, that's up

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1452
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's okay, player.

1453
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:35,760
Speaker 1: Run the Board dot com Verballers dot com is where

1454
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 1: you can go for more info on that, and uh,

1455
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 1: I guess that's it. I get Oh and the merch store.

1456
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 1: We relaunched the store new merch.

1457
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 2: I have breaking news as well, but talk about the

1458
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 2: merch Merch dot Solid verbal dot com.

1459
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have three new shirts, four new hats, two mugs,

1460
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 1: a water bottle, and a magnet that is still too

1461
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 1: expensive for us to put on the store.

1462
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:57,640
Speaker 2: We're not putting the magnet U yet. We're going to

1463
01:09:57,640 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 2: figure out the magnet.

1464
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:00,839
Speaker 1: If you know a magnet guy, hit us up Sliverble

1465
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 1: at gmail dot com. Otherwise no merged usliverble dot com.

1466
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 1: Or you can go to our website and you'll see

1467
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 1: the link at the top. What's your news?

1468
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 2: Well, you got to play the breaking news?

1469
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 1: Oh really?

1470
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1471
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 1: Do I have to do the yell too? No?

1472
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I just on behalf of you. You

1473
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 2: have a furry little bit in your life that just

1474
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 2: came along, right.

1475
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:24,600
Speaker 1: There isn't There is an overballer, Yeah, there is a neverballer.

1476
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 2: Will you post pictures of this new furry friend of yours,

1477
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 2: your new housemate.

1478
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:33,719
Speaker 1: Let's be dog. It's a female dog.

1479
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 2: Well, I just I say, family member, here, Will you

1480
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:39,439
Speaker 2: post pictures in our discord server?

1481
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 1: I've already started doing that.

1482
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 2: There you go. So if you want pictures of TI's newest,

1483
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 2: newest house mate, Ty's got a puppy. How old is she?

1484
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:49,679
Speaker 1: She's a little over eight weeks old at this point.

1485
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 2: A little over eight weeks old, joining your other dog. Yeah,

1486
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:56,760
Speaker 2: she probably wouldn't love to be referred to as that the.

1487
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:58,640
Speaker 1: Other dog, the other dog. She I don't think she

1488
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 1: listens to podcasts or understands English all that well, although

1489
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:04,600
Speaker 1: better than you'd expect, so she may she may not

1490
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 1: appreciate that if she knew what you were saying. But no,

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01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 1: we've yeah, we've got we've got two puffs now in

1492
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:10,600
Speaker 1: the house.

1493
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 2: Dog house, house, lifestyle, whatever.

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01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 1: That's right. And it's good that I'm down here in

1495
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 1: the sound insulated studio because I can faintly hear them barking.

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01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 1: The microphone can't hear it, but I can hear it.

1497
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of commotion upstairs that I need

1498
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 1: to attend to as soon as we hit stop here today.

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01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, congratulations to you, Thank you.

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01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate that. It'll be an interesting week one,

1501
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:34,800
Speaker 1: to say the least, short on sleep, but not short

1502
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:37,720
Speaker 1: on college football. Dan, No, sir, we've got a lot

1503
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 1: to talk about on our next episode. Thanks for tuning

1504
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 1: in for that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein,

1505
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 1: for myself, Tie Hilton Brand Hope you'll be with us

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01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:49,639
Speaker 1: all season long. Stay safe, peace,