1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: This is Wins and Losses with Clay Travis play talks 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: with the most entertaining people in sports, entertainment and business. 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: Now here's Clay Travis. Welcome in Clay Travis Wins and 4 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: Lost his podcast where we dive into a lot of 5 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: different angles of stories, sports, politics, business, you name it, 6 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: a lot of them. I'd encourage you to go check 7 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: them out if you enjoy this one. And we're about 8 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: to talk with the former Sacramento King's television announcer of 9 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: thirty two years, Grant Napier, as well as a twenty 10 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: six year local radio host in Sacramento. He lost his 11 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: job for saying all lives matter, uh during this past summer, 12 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:47,959 Speaker 1: and so we're going to dive into that with him 13 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,919 Speaker 1: and also his career. I think you're really gonna enjoy it. 14 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: And with that in mind, let's bring in Grant. I 15 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:55,279 Speaker 1: want to start here because I just I don't know 16 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: a lot about your background. But how did you end 17 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: up as the voice of the Sacramento Kings in the 18 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: first place. How long did you do that job. Let's 19 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: kind of start back at the beginning. So, first of all, 20 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: thanks for coming on. Secondly, how did you get into sports. 21 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: First of all, it's great to be on your show. 22 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: I grew up outside of New York on Long Island 23 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: and grew up with, you know, really an amazing sports background. 24 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: We had season tickets for the Jets and the Giants. 25 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: Growing up, I was literally at an NFL game every 26 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: single Sunday. I would go to Rangers games at Madison 27 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: Square Garden, go to college games, and so I knew 28 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: really at about age nine or ten that I wanted 29 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,279 Speaker 1: to be a broadcaster. I used to listen to Morrow Albert, 30 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: to the Knicks and the Rangers on radio, especially when 31 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: the Knicks won their championship in six seventy, and after 32 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: listening to Morrow do those games, I was like, That's 33 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 1: what I wanted to do. And so I just kind 34 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: of worked my way up the ladder I worked in. 35 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: I went to college at Bowling Green on a lacrosse 36 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: scholarship and they had a really good radio TV program. 37 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: And then I got a full time job in Decatur, 38 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: Illinois for three years, and went from Decatur to UH. 39 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: Sack Amento moved to Sacramento as a sports director at 40 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: a local TV station there in seven and then UH 41 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 1: the TV station won the rights to do the King's games, 42 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: and I was in the right place at the right time. 43 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: Clay and I ended up doing the Kings on TV 44 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: for thirty two years, and during that span, I was 45 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: fortunate enough to do the Raiders preseason games on TV 46 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: for five years. I built in and did some Sharks games, 47 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: did a lot of college football. So you know, in 48 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: a quick kind of capsule that that's my background to 49 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: get to the point that I did to be able 50 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: to do the Sacramento Kings for so long. So that's while, 51 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: let's go into that for a little bit. Thirty two 52 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: years of doing television broadcast of Sacramento Kings games. What 53 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: was your favorite time to be working and covering the team? 54 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: Was it? Unfortunately the tim donahe years when when you 55 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: had that series against the Lakers and that was so 56 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: incredibly riveting that people go back and look at the 57 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: calls that were made. Was that the peak? Who were 58 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: the players? What was the era that you enjoyed the most? 59 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: Two eras that I really enjoyed the most. The first 60 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: was when I first started doing in the nineteen because 61 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,239 Speaker 1: I was still relatively young and to go to the 62 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: Great Western Form and my first game ever was up 63 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: in Portland, and they had Terry Porter and Clyde Drexler 64 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: and Jerome Kersey and you know that Buck Williams and 65 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: Kevin Duckworth and up in Portland. I was the first 66 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: game I ever did. And then going on the road 67 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: to Madison Square Garden where I grew up, or going 68 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: into the old Boston Garden and and just those venues, 69 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: to me, that was so special. But obviously there was 70 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: nothing quite like the early two thousands when you had 71 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: you know, Mike Bibby, and you had Patiosakovitch, and you 72 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: had Bloody Divots, and you had Chris Webber and Rick 73 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: Adaman was the coach, and you mentioned Tim Donnage the 74 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: b Again, a lot of people call it a conspiracy. Honestly, Clay, 75 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: I don't. But to this day, Game six of the 76 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,119 Speaker 1: two thousand to Western Conference Finals is again to this day, 77 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: considered the worst officiated game in NBA history. And then 78 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: of course in Game seven, the Kings were at home. 79 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: They worked all the year to get the number one seed, 80 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: and they missed fourteen free throw on their home court 81 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: in Game seven. You certainly can't blame the referees for that, 82 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: and they ended up losing it over time to the Lakers, 83 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: But those were really the highlights for me that era. 84 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: And what was great for me back then, I did 85 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: a lot of the playoff games on radio because the 86 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: King's radio announcer, uh did a lot of Indie car racing, 87 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: and he was always at the Indian Applis five hundred 88 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: in May, So in addition to doing the games on TV, 89 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: I got a chance to announce most of those playoff 90 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: games against the Lakers on radio, and those were some 91 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: phenomenal games in that series. Those I'll remember those obviously forever. 92 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: Thirty two years doing games with the Sacramento Kings. How 93 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: would you say your relationships were with players over those 94 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: thirty two years in general, Well, a lot of the 95 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 1: players over the thirty two years today are still some 96 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: of my very good friends. Uh. Many of them have 97 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: reached out to me over the last couple of months, 98 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: particularly in June when all of this went down. I 99 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: would say in thirty two years, I had problems with 100 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: three players, one being DeMarcus Cousins, another being Chris Webber. Uh. 101 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: Those were two of the players that had some issues 102 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: with me. But I've had great relationships over the years. 103 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: First of all, you wouldn't have been able to last 104 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 1: for thirty two years if you didn't have great relationships 105 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: with not only the players, but the coaches, the general managers, 106 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: the ownership changes. So you know, I'm not bragging here, 107 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: but that's just the reality of the situation. If if 108 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: you're doing something that long, you're obviously doing something right. 109 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: But I mean, I played off with a lot of 110 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: the former Kings players. Again, a lot of the former 111 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: players have reached out to me, and to this day, 112 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 1: some of them are some of my best friends in life. 113 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: So let me go back a little bit too. For 114 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: people out there, you may not think about it. I'm 115 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,679 Speaker 1: presuming most of the time you're traveling on for instance, 116 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: the team playing right when you're going and calling those games, 117 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: you don't travel separate. So you guys are interacting on 118 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: a day to day basis in a way that your 119 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: average person who covers a team doesn't. Right Like not 120 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: like you're a beat writer. You're almost a part of 121 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: the team as much as you are traveling. You know 122 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,799 Speaker 1: these guys, well, I am a part of the team. 123 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: I'm paid by the team. What made my job maybe 124 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: more challenging and or um difficult is. I also hosted 125 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: a radio show in Sacramento in the King's flagship station 126 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 1: for twenty six years. So not only was I doing 127 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: the games, but then the next day I'd be on 128 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 1: the radio for four hours talking about that in the 129 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 1: NFL and everything else. But yes, I was a part 130 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: of the team. Other than my wife and my kids, 131 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: I considered the Sacramento Kings my family. I mean, it's 132 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: probably with the personnel on the Kings more than I 133 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: was with my family on the planes, checking in and 134 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: out of hotels, on the buses to the games. Very 135 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 1: often I'd be out having meals with some of the players. 136 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: I mean, that was life on the road, and so 137 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: it was family. But you know this, this is what 138 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: you do for a living. There are times when you 139 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 1: have to go on the radio and criticize, and if 140 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 1: you don't, you're gonna lose your credit ability. And a 141 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: couple of the players that had very thin skin, such 142 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 1: as de Marcus Cousins, they had a real problem with 143 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: being criticized. But I was just doing my job and 144 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: so that's just part of the deal. But yeah, I 145 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: was saying that that's my family, the Sacramento Kings for 146 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: thirty two years were really my extended family. And yes, 147 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: that's it would be impossible not to form lifelong friendships 148 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: and bonds with players and coaches. And that's just um, 149 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: it would be impossible to do that job to Clay 150 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: and not have lifelong relationships from from that entire spanning 151 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: five decades starting in with me. Okay, so this goes on, 152 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: Like you said, thirty two years of doing Sacramento Kings games, 153 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: twenty six years of doing local radio. Are the players 154 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: that are upset with you? You said maybe like three 155 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: guys over the years. Are they primarily upset for things 156 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: you'd say on radio or were they upset about things 157 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: you'd say on television? Or do you even have any idea? Well, 158 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: Chris Webber if you go to YouTube any and that's listing, 159 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: can go to YouTube and Google. Uh, you know Chris 160 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: Webber on the Grant Need Pier Show or Grant Nee 161 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: Pier phone call with Chris Webber. H. T and T 162 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: was in town seven years ago doing a game and 163 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: the Kings were not very good, and so they weren't 164 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: on T and T very often. Uh, you know, in 165 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: the last decade or so, and the broadcast crew was 166 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: Kevin Harland, Chris Webber, Reggie Miller, and Cheryl Miller was 167 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: the sideline reporter and the King. The game was on 168 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: a Thursday, and on Tuesday, the Kings had just had 169 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: a big city council meeting and the city council voted 170 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: uh in a in a positive way for a new arena. 171 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: And Cheryl Miller interviews Kevin Johnson in the middle of 172 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: the game, the mayor of Sacramento, former NBA player, and 173 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: she says, now that the city council voted down on 174 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 1: the arena, what are you gonna do now? And Kevin goes, no, 175 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: no, no no, no, Cheryl, we voted for the new arena, okay, 176 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: and they can. Then they throw it back to the 177 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: desk and Reggie Miller goes, once a politician, always a politician, 178 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: and Chris Webber, who's got his jersey number four hanging 179 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: up in the rafters, went along with it. Said, yeah, 180 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: it's really a shame. I've been in town for two 181 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: days and everyone's really upset. Blah bla blah blah. And 182 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 1: again that's also available on YouTube. So the next day 183 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:10,599 Speaker 1: I had my producer reach out and Chris used to 184 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: do it daily a weekly radio show with me when 185 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: he played in Sacramento. I said, call up Chris and 186 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 1: get him on the air. We need to talk about 187 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: this because the fans were I rate. I was irate, 188 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: and I said, make sure that he knows why he's 189 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: coming on. Chris comes on my show, and we joked 190 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: because he's a big Lions fan. I'm a big Giants fan. 191 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: And he starts off with the joke and then I said, Chris, 192 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 1: I've got to ask you, you know, how is it 193 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: that everyone on T and T got that so wrong 194 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 1: last night? And he went off and he would not 195 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 1: allow me to talk and he basically threw it on me. 196 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: How I'm negative, how I'm critical, And I begged him 197 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: while we were on the air. I said, Chris, don't 198 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: hang up, Chris, don't hang up, Chris, don't hang up. 199 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: And he hung up the phone and it's all there 200 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,839 Speaker 1: on YouTube. And since that day we've never spoken a word, 201 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: and he's had a match the ground with me. Unfortunately. Okay, 202 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: so well, And before we get into what happened in June, 203 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: I mean a lot of people out there listening to 204 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: us right now, they don't really know the Sacramento, California 205 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: market we're on nationwide. Everybody knows maybe their local geography, 206 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: their local region. What do the Kings mean to the 207 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: people of Sacramento so far as you could tell, based 208 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: on thirty two years as the voice of the Kings 209 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: and twenty six years doing local radio in that in 210 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: that city everything, the Kings are everything to the sports 211 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: fan in Sacramento. Even when they were horrible, the place 212 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: would be full every night. The King's almost moved on 213 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: a couple of occasions, and the outpouring of emotion the fans, 214 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: everything they did to try to keep that team was 215 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: absolutely incredible. The Sacramento Kings are Sacramento. It is the 216 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: only show in town. And um, it's kind of similar 217 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: to living in a big time college football town where 218 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: people can't wait for the basketball season to start. They 219 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: talk about it in the off season. They're they're just 220 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: obsessed with the team in Sacramento, and three years ago 221 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: they got a beautiful, brand new arena downtown and people 222 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: were so excited and they still are. But um, it's unbelievable. Clay, 223 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I would compare it to the way the 224 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: Blazers fans are up in Portland. I think it's very 225 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: similar there, but the King's support over the years has 226 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: been tremendous because again, small community, clay and it is 227 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: the only show in town. It's interesting because a lot 228 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: of people out there, they think of California, and they 229 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: think of l A, and they think of San Francisco, 230 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: and they may think to a certain extent of San Diego. 231 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: But Sacramento, to your point, is more of a small town, 232 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: even though it's in a big state, RIGHTO. I'm just 233 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,719 Speaker 1: trying to contextualize the the environment and uh in the 234 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: city for people out there who may not have been before. 235 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: It is it's it's basically a small town compared to 236 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: the other cities that you just mentioned, and they love 237 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: their Kings. They they have had so many years of failure, 238 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: a year after year after year, and again I talked 239 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: about the turbulent times when the Malou family owned the 240 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: team and they ended up selling it to Seattle only 241 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: to have you know, it's a it's a shame they 242 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: did a thirty for thirty on it and it never 243 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: aired because of the allegations that were released I think 244 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: by dead Spin back then on Mayor Kevin Johnson. Was 245 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: really a shame because I got a chance to go 246 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: to the Tribeckup Film Festival where was called Down in 247 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: the Valley. So a matter of fact that director Jason 248 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: Hair is the same director they just did the Last Dance. 249 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: But it was just an incredible story on the whole 250 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: Sacramento Kings, and I was featured a lot in that documentary. Um, 251 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember the video, but Jason 252 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: Hare told me, the director of of the thirty for 253 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: thirty that unfortunately was not released, he said the reason 254 00:12:54,720 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: why he started the idea of the documentary and because 255 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: of me breaking down on TV at the end of 256 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: the King's Lakers game with my broadcast partner Jerry Reynolds, 257 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: when we felt that was going to be the last 258 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: game ever played in Sacramento. And he said that he 259 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: saw me breakdown on camera at the end of the 260 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: game and everyone behind us was chanting Grant and Jerry. 261 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: Grant and Jerry, the fans want to leave the game, 262 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: and he said that's where he got the idea to do. So, 263 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: you know, again, this isn't about me, but I'm just 264 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: trying to paint the picture here the fans of Sacramento, 265 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: the Sacramento Kings and the fans the fans have always 266 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 1: felt a part of the team. They've always been able 267 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: to reach out. They have so many opportunities. The Kings 268 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: are very good about making the players successible. They have 269 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: so many events where the community is allowed to go 270 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: to the arena on and off day and and partaking 271 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: festivities with the players. It's a very unique situation. I 272 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: think that the Kings have always done a great job 273 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 1: with allowing their fan base access to their product, and 274 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: the bond has been great really for ever since. Obviously 275 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 1: there at nineteen I moved there in nineteen eight seven. 276 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: I've never really seen anything like it in the NBA. 277 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: We're talking to Grand Napier, all right, So all of 278 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: this background, thirty two years as on television with Sacramento 279 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: Kings live television, by the way, twenty six years live radio, 280 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: no issues. Everything seems to be going pretty well. June, 281 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: what happens. Well, I was sitting on my couch on 282 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: May thirty one, and I'm watching the Riots, and I'm 283 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: watching everything going on, and I'm like, man, this is 284 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: just awful. And um I picked up my phone and 285 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: I saw that there was a message to me from 286 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: DeMarcus Cousins asking me how I felt, how do I 287 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: feel about BLM and you know, just to give you 288 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: a real quick background, my dad was a civil rights activist. 289 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: My brother taught math for thirty four years at a 290 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: predominantly black high school on Long Island. On Long Island 291 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: in New York. I started a foundation in nearly two thousands. 292 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: It's called the Future Foundation. We've sent over a hundred 293 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: kids to college and we mentor them. Many of these 294 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: students are minorities, one third or black. And I hate 295 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: telling you because I hate putting uh people in groups. 296 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: I've never been about putting people in groups. To me 297 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: a person as a person, and I responded, all lives matter, 298 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: every single one. And I didn't think anything other because 299 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: that's how I feel, That's how I was raised, That's 300 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: that's how I was brought up. I believe all lives matter, 301 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: every single one, and I emphasized every single one with 302 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: I think three exclamation points, and all of a sudden, 303 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: within fifteen or twenty minutes, I knew that things were 304 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: blowing up. And when I woke up on Monday morning, um, 305 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: I was in the middle of a crisis. And by Tuesday, 306 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: at three pm Pacific time, uh, my career as I 307 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: knew it in Sacramento as a TV announcer for the 308 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: Kings and as a twenty six year talk show with 309 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: sports host on radio was gone. So this day, you 310 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: you send a tweet that says all lives matter, every 311 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: single one. What day of the week did you send that? Friday, Sunday, 312 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: May one, Sunday May thirty one? And by you lose 313 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: your job when Tuesday between two thirty and three pm 314 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: specific time. So both your radio job and your King's 315 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: announcer job, you lose both of those because you said 316 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: on Twitter, all lives matter, every single one. That's correct. 317 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: Within four within forty eight hours, my career as I 318 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: knew it in Sacramento did not exist anymore. I mean, 319 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of people out there listening 320 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: right now that are going to hear this and they're 321 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: gonna say that can't be the entirety of this. But 322 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: from your perspective, you had a job you were going 323 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: to be working, and you send a tweet that said 324 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 1: all lives matter, every single one, and within forty eight hours, 325 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: your thirty two year career on television and your twenty 326 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: six year career on radio or over that's correct, That 327 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: is absolutely correct. And you know that's June two and 328 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: I can't even begin to tell you what that period 329 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: of time was like from me. And as we fast 330 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 1: forward now to the middle of November, as I talked 331 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: to you, I've just been amazed that so many news outlets. 332 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: I saw myself being talked about on Fox, I saw 333 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: myself being talked about on CNN. Bill Maher did a 334 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 1: five minute uh segment on cancel culture, I think back 335 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: in August, and I was included on that. And I'm 336 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: just like, you know, the New York Post, I can 337 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: go on and on and talk about like people are 338 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: using me as an example of what's wrong with our 339 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,199 Speaker 1: country and cancel culture. And I said this, and I 340 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: started a podcast back in October, and my first episode, 341 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,360 Speaker 1: I said, the problem with our country right now, Clay, 342 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 1: is that nobody wants to spend five minutes before they 343 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: cancel someone. Nobody wants to spend five minutes peel back 344 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: the layers and look at an individual, look what they've done. 345 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: And it's it's such a shame. Um, It's such a 346 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: shame that you forget about me from itute. Such a 347 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 1: shame what's gone on in our country with cancel culture. 348 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,360 Speaker 1: There are so many good people that have just been 349 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: boomed erased in a in an instant, and nobody wants 350 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: to peel back to layers and examine the individual. Fox 351 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 1: Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. 352 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 1: Catch all of our shows at Fox Sports Radio dot 353 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 1: com and within the I Heart Radio app search f 354 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: s R to listen live. This is Clay Travis. You're 355 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 1: listening to the Winds and lost his podcast. We're talking 356 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 1: with our guest, Grant Napier. Okay, in the space of 357 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 1: forty eight hours after you send a tweet that says 358 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: all lives matter, every single one, with three exclamation points, 359 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: you lose your entire career. What was the private reaction? 360 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: You know everybody? You know a lot of people really 361 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: well in the NBA, with the amount of time that 362 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: you spend in the league, coaches, players, executives. What was 363 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: their private reaction versus what the public reaction was? Because 364 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: I give you what I bet, the answer is, I 365 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: bet privately a lot of people said this is very wrong. 366 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: I bet publicly very few of them said it. You 367 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: are correct. Privately, I've kept every single voicemail, I've kept 368 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 1: every single text message. I have kept a diary of 369 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: every single person that called me, and privately, the reaction 370 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: was unbelievably supportive. UH. Former players, some current players, former coaches, 371 00:19:56,280 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: former executives. UM. I can go on and on, many, many, many, 372 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: many of my colleagues around the NBA, both local and 373 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: national announcers. UH, like you have developed you know, quite 374 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: a bit of contacts through the National Football League, in 375 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: the National Hockey League. I received calls from people in 376 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: no sports. UH. Privately, it was absolutely unbelievable. It was 377 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: incredible publicly, because everybody was so scared of losing their 378 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: jobs or being labeled, there was nothing. Publicly, there was 379 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: nobody and I had I had so many of my 380 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: colleagues called me up and say, Grant, I can't believe this, 381 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: this is so wrong. And they would say, I just 382 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: want you to know I can't say anything publicly, and 383 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: I would say, I get it. I completely understand. You 384 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: don't want to be labeled. You don't want to lose 385 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: your job either. You're fearful, UH, your you're you can't 386 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: you can't speak how you honestly feel, because if you do, 387 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: the same thing is going to happen to you, that 388 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 1: happened to me, and so publicly it was silence, just 389 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: absolutely silent. And that's what's so overwhelmingly staggering about cancel 390 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: culture in general is almost everyone knows it's wrong, and 391 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: yet people are so afraid that the mob is going 392 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: to come after them that they're not even willing, by 393 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: and large, to speak out and say this is wrong, right, 394 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: because they're afraid that they're going to be the next target, 395 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: which is how these mobs get their power. It's fear, right, 396 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 1: It's fear that is overwhelmed. This is why I think 397 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,679 Speaker 1: this is a significant conversation we're having because your story 398 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: comes in sports, but there are a huge percentage of 399 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: people out there and by the way, white, Black, Asian, Hispanic, gay, straight, religious, 400 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: not relily doesn't really matter. There's a huge percentage of 401 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: the American population that lives in fear that they are 402 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: a Facebook message and Instagram message, a tweet in your case, 403 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 1: away from losing everything. You had thirty two years of 404 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: television games to your background, twenty six years of radio 405 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 1: and sending all lives matter, every single one. You lose 406 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: all of that within forty eight hours. Yeah, and I 407 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 1: can't speak specifically about my departure with the Kings, but 408 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: what I would say is that I had many conversations 409 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:34,439 Speaker 1: with colleagues that are currently broadcasters in various sports, and 410 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: they would call me up and we would speak for 411 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: an hour and they would go, Grant, i am so 412 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: nervous to go on the air. I'm afraid of saying 413 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: the wrong thing. I'm like, you're kidding me, and they go, no, 414 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: I'm really these are these are people that I've been 415 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: doing this for for five years. I was having a 416 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 1: conversation with professional broadcasters. You know this when you when 417 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 1: you're on live, you're on live. You know everything is spontaneous, 418 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: Like I don't have a script. I'm not writing things down. 419 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: I'm just sponn tenious when I talk on the air, 420 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: and I have when you're announcing a game, you're you're 421 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 1: you're you're had living the whole game. You don't you 422 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: don't have time to look. You're not writing anything down 423 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: and then reading it when you're broadcasting the lab event. 424 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: And I would have my colleagues go, man, I'm really nervous. 425 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: I'm nervous about going on the air and saying something 426 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 1: that I shouldn't, even though it would be innocent. And 427 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: I'm thinking to myself as I'm talking to my colleagues, 428 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: how awful is this that we live in a society 429 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: now which where you have to be now paranoid about 430 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: going on the air because you're afraid that you're gonna 431 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: say something that's going to be misconstrued. I mean, how 432 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: sad is that, Clay. It's terrifying, I mean, and I 433 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: think it's also emblematic of larger issues. Look, I don't 434 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: care about anybody's politics. I came out and said I 435 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: was voting for Donald Trump, and I said, one reason 436 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 1: I voted for Donald Trump was because I am completely 437 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: opposed to cancel culture. And I see cancel culture continuing 438 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 1: to get more and more control in this country on 439 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 1: a day to day basis. Grant that number of people 440 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: in my industry. I just want you to think about 441 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: this for a minute. I am on air on Fox 442 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: uh Fox FS one on television daily. I am the 443 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: only person at Fox Sports, at CBS Sports, at ABC, Slash, ESPN, 444 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 1: or at NBC Sports that I'm aware of that is 445 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: an employee that goes on the air and talks about 446 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: sports who has said that that he or she is 447 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: voting for Donald Trump. Only one right, seventies some odd 448 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: million people voted for the president of the United States. 449 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 1: Maybe Joe Biden is going to be the next president 450 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: United States. That's fine, it doesn't really matter to me. 451 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: Sometimes my candidates wins, sometimes they lose. But how crazy 452 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: is it that no one else in all of sports 453 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: is willing to say that they're voting for Donald Trump. 454 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: In my profession of sports media, I'm the only one. 455 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 1: It's not because I'm the only one you talk about 456 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: the private conversations. When I said that I was voting 457 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: for Trump, my phone blew up. People that all of 458 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: you know that are listening to me right now, white, black, Asian, 459 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 1: Hispanic people who watch you watch on television you read 460 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: a ton of them reached out and said, I'm doing 461 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,199 Speaker 1: the same thing, but I am terrified to say it 462 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: publicly because in our industry I could get in trouble 463 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: for having that opinion, and your opinion, all lives matter, 464 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: every single one. That is supposed to be the reason 465 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: you're fired. I'm assuming because people decided that was a 466 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: racially insensitive thing to say. Is that right? Like that 467 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:41,120 Speaker 1: was unsensitive? Right? That's correct, racially insensitive, that's I can 468 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 1: only I can only guess that. How else could it be. 469 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: I mean, all lives matter, every single one you helped 470 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 1: me out here. How is that a racist comment? I mean, 471 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: I don't understand that. I really don't, and I'll take 472 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: that to my grave. All lives matter, every single one 473 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: is steamed by some as racist. You know, I still 474 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: have people that reach out to me or strangers. Then 475 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: they go, you still don't get it, And my response is, no, 476 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: I don't think you get it. I get it completely. Okay, 477 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: I had my life completely turned upside down. I said, 478 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: I don't think you get it. When I have people 479 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: say that to me, they go, Grant, you know you 480 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: still don't. Or I see comments on whatever and people go, 481 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 1: well to you know, I listen to Grant's podcasts and 482 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: he talked about this, and boy, he still doesn't get it. 483 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: And I go, no, you don't get it. I think 484 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: I get it. Fun I think I have a complete understanding. 485 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 1: And I said this to my wife, and you know, again, 486 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not like patting myself on the back here, 487 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: but this is how my family lives, our life. My 488 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 1: wife went to Zambia with a couple of ladies last 489 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: summer for two weeks. Okay, I went to Zambia to 490 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 1: help out women and children in that country and ended 491 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: up having a phenomenal relationship with a lady over there, 492 00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 1: and ended up having the lady come to California in 493 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: January of this year and live with her sister for 494 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: one week and live with us one week to show 495 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: her the American culture, show her life in a different 496 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: part of the country. And just like the experiences that 497 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: that's how my family lives. You know. I talked about 498 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: my brother, I talked about my father's you know, not 499 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: to get off on attention. Here in nineteen sixty three, 500 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 1: my father um got thirteen bus loads of people, okay, 501 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,919 Speaker 1: thirteen bus loads of people at the Community Church of 502 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 1: New York to go to the march on Washington. All right. 503 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: That that's how I was raised. I was raised to 504 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: preach equality. I was raised equality, equality, equality. I was 505 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: raised to go out of your way, go above and 506 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: beyond for the black community. You know, not, no, you 507 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: need to do more for the black community. That's how 508 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: my dad raised us. And now I am losing my 509 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 1: career because I say all lives matter, every single one 510 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 1: with the complete intent of every single one means every 511 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: single race, Black, why, Asian, Hispanic? You just mentioned them all. 512 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: That's what's so appalling to me about not only my situation, 513 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 1: but others that have been canceled that have the same 514 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: viewpoint as me. Now, are there others, Clay that have 515 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 1: made comments like that are probably racist? Tell yeah, and 516 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: if we if we don't acknowledge that we're being stupid 517 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 1: in naive, but peel back the layers on each individual 518 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 1: before you just totally cancel someone. That's the part that 519 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 1: just is mind boggling to me. So where do you 520 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: go from here? Like what happens now? Because I'm I'm 521 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,640 Speaker 1: I'm kind of utterly fascinated by a situation such as 522 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: this that happens. You've obviously started a podcast. I believe 523 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: you've moved out of Sacramento. Correct. Do you want? A 524 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: big thing obviously in life is things happen and you 525 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: continue to adjust your life as a result. What would 526 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: you like for the result of your situation to be? 527 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: I want my name cleared, That's what I want. I 528 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: want my name Stewart, and I know that's never going 529 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: to happen, and I mentioned that that matter, that matters 530 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: a great deal to you, that you are, that you 531 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: have been canceled, and that many people are willing to 532 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: believe that that's a justifiable reason that you were canceled for. 533 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: That you're racist, that you're a horrible human being, and 534 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: after thirty two years of TV, twenty six years of radio, 535 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: that still hangs over you, that that is the number 536 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: one thing that bothers you the most about losing your job. Absolutely. 537 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: I told my I told my wife this. I said, 538 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: you know, if I'm a racist, I hope every white 539 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: person in America is racist just like I am, because 540 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: then racism won't exist. And that's how I feel. You know, 541 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: I want my name restored, uh for But like those 542 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,479 Speaker 1: that do use the term racist, you know, Matt Barnes 543 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: came out on Twitter, Barnes, can you believe this? And 544 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: said I'm a closet racist. And yet this is the 545 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: same guy that when he last played in Sacramento, had 546 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: a weekly show with me. He would come on my 547 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: radio show every week and then asked to play in 548 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: my golf tournament which we raise the money to send 549 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: our kids to college, and spent seven thousand dollars at 550 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: our auction. Okay, and yet I'm a closet racist, and 551 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: yet you're on the radio with me every week and 552 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 1: you are playing in my golf tournament. I mean what 553 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: I mean? I want? I want my name restored. Okay, 554 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: I want and and again I know him being naive here, Clay, 555 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: all right, because people are gonna believe what they want. 556 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: I know who I am. I have no problem putting 557 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 1: my head on the pillow at night. I've lost my 558 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: entire career, and the one thing I really hope is 559 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: that this doesn't happen to somebody else, and it already has. 560 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: But I'm really praying that other people don't have to 561 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: go through what I went through because it's just flat 562 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 1: out wrong. And I'm not having a pity party. I'm 563 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: not am not crying on your shoulder here. The reality 564 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: is that what's happening in America with cancel culture is 565 00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: just flat out despicable. It's absolutely wrong. Last question for you, 566 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: DeMarcus Cousins. You said he didn't have a good relationship 567 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: with you. Do you feel like he was trying to 568 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: set you up to get fired? At the time, I 569 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: didn't even think about it. But in retrospect, yes, because 570 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,719 Speaker 1: I think he knows enough about my background and what 571 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 1: I believe in. He knows about my relationships with other players, 572 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: which are very good, my friendships with other players. He 573 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: used to see me hanging out with other players. Um, 574 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: I can only say yes. I don't know that would 575 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,719 Speaker 1: be a question for him. But in retrospect, um, I 576 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: think he and I haven't talked about this publicly until 577 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: just now. I think DeMarcus Cousins, Matt Barnes, and Chris 578 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: Weberck ganged up on me, and I think that they 579 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: had issues with what I said. You know, Matt Barnes 580 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: and DeMarcus Cousins, we had a game that was postponed 581 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: in Philadelphia because of condensation on the court, and they 582 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: were seen in the locker room with a bottle of Hennessey, 583 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: and they put it out on Instagram and social media. 584 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,040 Speaker 1: And I went on my radio show and I and 585 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: how stupid is that? Why are you broadcasting that? If 586 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: you if you're gonna drink, drink, but don't broadcast it. 587 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: And then some and then was a short period of 588 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,719 Speaker 1: time after they got into a brawl at a New 589 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: York nightclub and DeMarcus was on the sidewalk unaware that 590 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: somebody was videoing him on the phone, and he was 591 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: bragging about to fight in the nightclub and how Matt 592 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: Barnes had, you know, punched this girl, and and I 593 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: so what am I going to go on the radio 594 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: show and would ignore that? And that's their way of 595 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: getting back at me. And if you want to get 596 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: back at me, that's fine, but don't call me something 597 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: that I'm not. Those those individuals know who I am. 598 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: They know everything about my background and and and what 599 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: how hypocritical is that you're gonna come on my radio 600 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: show every week and you're gonna play in my golf tournament. 601 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: And then because I said something bad about you, Clay, 602 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: I don't know how you feel about this. We, as 603 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 1: white broadcasters in America, should be able to criticize a 604 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: person of a different ethnicity and not be called racist. Okay, 605 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 1: I can't do my job relief if I'm on my 606 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: radio show and I can't criticize a black athlete, a 607 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: white athlete, Hispanic athlete. That doesn't mean that I have 608 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: bias against you. I criticize all races. I criticize athletes 609 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: based on how they're performing or not. Coaches, how they're doing, 610 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 1: how they're not, has nothing to do with their ethnicity. 611 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: I don't sit there and go, Gene, you know what 612 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: that individual of black so let me rip him, let 613 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: me criticize him on the air. That never even enters 614 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,719 Speaker 1: my mind. That's not how I operate. But unfortunately, if 615 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: you're a Caucasian broadcaster in America and you criticize an 616 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: African American athlete, there are those that are automatically insinuating 617 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 1: that you're racist. How awful is that, Clay? Seriously, how 618 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: sad is that? Well? I think it just builds on 619 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: identity politics in general, right, and and and this is 620 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: to me why identity politics and cancel culture are in 621 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: many ways connected, because the goal of anyone, in my opinion, 622 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: if you are in a business where you're looking and 623 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: trying to decipher who's good who's bad, and that's basically 624 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 1: the the opinion business of sports in general, right, should 625 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: be to be as completely fair and transparent and equal 626 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: to everyone as you possibly can be. Right. And so 627 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,359 Speaker 1: this idea that we should have different standards for how 628 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: we talk about people based on what they look like 629 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: or based on their identity things that they cannot control. 630 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 1: Is inherently, at its most basic level racist, right. I 631 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 1: need to be able to talk, and you need to 632 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 1: be able to talk. Whether it's white, Black, Hispanic or Asian. 633 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: Everybody has to be able to talk to each other 634 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,879 Speaker 1: as individuals, not as individuals who have an identity first, right. 635 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,439 Speaker 1: And so this is why my analogy has been that 636 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: that I think is is interesting. I don't care. We 637 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,840 Speaker 1: see all the time now on television people say as 638 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: a as a Hispanic transgender woman. I believe right, people 639 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 1: will say things like that all of that I don't 640 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 1: care about. Your argument is either good or bad based 641 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: on the quality of the argument, not based upon the 642 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: identity behind which you are standing. And I take it 643 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: back all the time too. It reminds me of royalty. 644 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: If you remember, if you study history at all, people 645 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: used to say they had the divine right of kings, 646 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 1: and so people who were noblemen or people who were 647 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,240 Speaker 1: in positions of prominence in Europe back in the days 648 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,240 Speaker 1: of feudal realms, they would say, as the third Lord, 649 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: you know, Montleroy of the Mount Botten, you know, and 650 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: the vice chancellor of they put all these huge list 651 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: of assignations before their name, and then they would say, 652 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: I believe what my thing is. I only care about 653 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 1: the quality of your argument. I don't care about everything 654 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 1: that you're using as justification for why your opinion matters. 655 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: You either have a good opinion rooted in facts that 656 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: sound and factual and and and worthy of respect, or 657 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: you have a bad opinion, and what you look like 658 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,879 Speaker 1: shouldn't impact what that opinion is. And so I think 659 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 1: the identity politics era has created the cancel culture era. 660 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 1: They're intertwined, and I think they're both frankly not popular 661 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: right because they all connect to the politically correct universe, 662 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: which overwhelmingly, overwhelmingly a huge percentage of people of all 663 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: different backgrounds reject them. And I like to think that 664 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 1: at some point cancel culture is going to explode and 665 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 1: feed on itself. And whether you're a comedian who people 666 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,799 Speaker 1: are going through and saying, oh, you can't make that joke, 667 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,879 Speaker 1: or whether you're somebody going through and saying, oh my god, 668 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 1: that tweet or that Instagram post or that Facebook post, 669 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 1: I don't know why the first response is we have 670 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: to cancel this person. It doesn't make sense to me. Well, again, 671 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 1: look at Jack Nicholas. I did a rant on this 672 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,399 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. He comes out and say 673 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 1: he's voting for Trump, and you it was it was 674 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: if Jack Nicholas never existed and people were killing him. 675 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: I went on my rams said, you know, I don't 676 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 1: really give a damn who you vote for. It doesn't 677 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 1: matter to me. I'm a diehard New York Giants fans 678 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,360 Speaker 1: season ticket holder. I don't care who the merrittisches vote for. 679 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,319 Speaker 1: It makes no difference to me. I'm a fan of 680 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 1: the team. But yet there are people out there that 681 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 1: are just completely eliminating friendships, family members, or who you 682 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: vote for. It's mind boggling. Not to get off of 683 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 1: a tangent, but I watched what you said when you 684 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,840 Speaker 1: said you were voting for Trump, and what struck me 685 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 1: so amazing is that you talked about who you voted 686 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 1: for in previous elections, and I believe most of them 687 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 1: were Democrats, And so you're you're not just some guy 688 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 1: that's on the far right Republican Republican Republicans. No, you're 689 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 1: looking at each candidate and you're voting for you you 690 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 1: think is the best person for this country. I respect 691 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,960 Speaker 1: that even if I don't agree with that, I respect 692 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 1: that and for you to lay it out the way 693 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 1: you did, And yet people still have a problem with that, 694 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,360 Speaker 1: that's said, that's that's that's wrong. It's just flat out wrong. 695 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,399 Speaker 1: And I know a lot of I have a lot 696 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 1: of friends that told me that they ended long term 697 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: friendships because of who they were voting for. And I'm 698 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: scratching my head and I'm like, I don't get that. 699 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,399 Speaker 1: You vote for who you want, I vote for who 700 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 1: I want. We can have an adult conversation and at 701 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,440 Speaker 1: the end of the day, I respect you. I sure 702 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,799 Speaker 1: as hell hope you respect me. And we move on 703 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 1: and we put our arms around each other and we 704 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 1: try to make our country better, even if you are 705 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,880 Speaker 1: a Trump supporter or you're a Biden supporter, whoever you support. Okay, 706 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, we're gonna have a 707 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 1: new president on January twenty two. And you know what, 708 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 1: as Americans, we owe it to come together and try 709 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,440 Speaker 1: to make this country better. And that that doesn't exist anymore. 710 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,280 Speaker 1: And that is a real said indictment on our children 711 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 1: and our grandchildren that are growing up. What kind of 712 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,719 Speaker 1: country are we leaving them? It's awful. It's terrible. Be 713 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,359 Speaker 1: sure to catch live editions about kick the Coverage with 714 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 1: Clay Travis week days at six am Eastern, three am Pacific. 715 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,319 Speaker 1: This is Clay Travis. You're listening to the Winds and 716 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: Losses podcast. We're talking with Grant Napier. Grant one more time. 717 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,719 Speaker 1: Where can people follow you if they want to reach out? 718 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 1: Appreciate the time you spend on the show today, and 719 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 1: hope it helps to get your story out there. I 720 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 1: appreciate it. My Twitter handle is at Grant Napier Show. 721 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 1: I started my podcast in October. I've had some great progress. 722 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,320 Speaker 1: Charles Barkley was on one episode. It's if you don't 723 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 1: like that, If you don't like that with Grant nap 724 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 1: Here and Clay, I really appreciated that. It's a great conversation. 725 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 1: I hope we educated others, and I really hope people 726 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 1: become better from listening to conversations like this, because that, 727 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 1: to me, is what it's all about. Amen. I hope 728 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,520 Speaker 1: all of you think a little bit about this and 729 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:21,319 Speaker 1: the larger cancel culture environment that we have created. I 730 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 1: hope this conversation makes things a little bit better. That's 731 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,359 Speaker 1: the goal anyway, And I hope you enjoyed this as well. 732 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,279 Speaker 1: If you did, go rate us. Also go listen at 733 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,239 Speaker 1: all of our other podcasts that are out there. We 734 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 1: have a lot of great ones. I think you'll enjoy them. 735 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,200 Speaker 1: This is the Wins and Losses Podcast without Kick and 736 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 1: I'm Clay Travis