WEBVTT - Head of Orion Pictures Alana Mayo at Bloomberg Screentime

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. She's a film executive,

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<v Speaker 1>she's a producer. She's the president of Oryan Picture. She

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<v Speaker 1>helped bring us films including American fiction. Alana Mayo stops by.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna be speaking to her in just a minute.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Ryan Pictures Man, they've been around for a while,

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<v Speaker 2>so interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Different now though, yes, than it was in the nineteen seventies, which.

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<v Speaker 2>Is fascinating, right, you'd like to see how these things change. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>also billionaire real estate developer and maybe la mayorial candidate

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe he wants to be governor of the state

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<v Speaker 2>of California. We're Caruso of Carusa is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>back with us. We're going to ask him, We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to push him. Last time we talked with him, he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe I'm going to have a decision or announcement.

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<v Speaker 3>So maybe he wants to do it live with us on.

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<v Speaker 4>Air, maybe just saying maybe we're ready, let's do it. Also, yes, chef, yes, chef, Yes, chef,

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<v Speaker 4>yes chef.

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<v Speaker 1>We got the colinary producer of the Bear stopping by

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<v Speaker 1>and also the youngest female self made billionaire in the

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<v Speaker 1>world joins us.

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<v Speaker 4>Lucy Guo co founder.

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<v Speaker 2>Home wants us to say yes chef when he's cooking,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're like, not happening, that happening. That happening.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, the youngest female self made billionaire in the world

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<v Speaker 2>is with us. We've got Lucy grow co founder of

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<v Speaker 2>Scalai and founder of Passes. She's going to be along

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<v Speaker 2>as well. So she's a once to watch, isn't she.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, she's here with us. She's right here.

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<v Speaker 2>She is right here.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, she's coming by in in like forty five minutes.

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<v Speaker 4>It's gonna be great.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to get to our next guest though, because

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<v Speaker 1>we are in the heart of Hollywood, live at Bloomberg

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<v Speaker 1>screen Time in La we're speaking to the folks who

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<v Speaker 1>are defining the next phase of pop culture, includes film

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<v Speaker 1>and streaming. Alta Mayo is with us. She thinks a

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<v Speaker 1>lot about these things, streaming and traditional releases, probably simultaneously

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<v Speaker 1>these days, which is like a little crazy of the

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<v Speaker 1>world that we live in. Oriyan Pictures goes back to

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<v Speaker 1>the late nineteen seventies. I think a day is silence

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<v Speaker 1>of the Lambs and more. It's different now, though Alana

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<v Speaker 1>joins us here at screen time these days. Orian focuses

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<v Speaker 1>primarily on films from underrepresented filmmakers. Releases under her tenure

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<v Speaker 1>include American Fiction Academy Award nominated Nickel Boys, and many more.

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<v Speaker 1>In a lot coming on the Harai M. Yeah too, welcome.

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<v Speaker 4>How are you?

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm very well happy to be here.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>You just wrapped up this conversation with Mark duplas we

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<v Speaker 1>spoke to him a little earlier. Also Catherine Oliver as

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<v Speaker 1>well for from Bloomberg. She was the former film Commissioner

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<v Speaker 1>of New York City. The focus was on reinfigurating the

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<v Speaker 1>creative community.

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<v Speaker 4>How do you do it?

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<v Speaker 3>Just that small question I just want This is.

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<v Speaker 4>Like the underlying theme of the entire thing.

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<v Speaker 3>How why are we here?

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<v Speaker 2>Well?

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<v Speaker 5>I think we're here because we have so much change

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<v Speaker 5>in so dynamo, so much dynamism, And the reality is

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<v Speaker 5>that no one really knows what the next wave of

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<v Speaker 5>media content Hollywood is going to look like. So we're

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<v Speaker 5>at this incredible inflection point and having to innovate in

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<v Speaker 5>real time and build new systems while the previous systems

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<v Speaker 5>are being dismantled, are evolving, are changing. So well, I

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<v Speaker 5>wish I had a quick answer to your question.

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<v Speaker 3>Of how do we do it.

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<v Speaker 5>What we ended up talking about mostly is how do

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<v Speaker 5>we just create enough sustainability for artists so that everyone

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<v Speaker 5>can sustain this moment in time? And so whatever is

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<v Speaker 5>on the other side of this, whatever that looks like

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<v Speaker 5>that the creative voices that build our industry can still survive.

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<v Speaker 4>Does it get worse before it gets better?

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, if you look at it with a long lens,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, define worse, right, If you look at a

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<v Speaker 5>lot with a long lens, it's always this business has

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<v Speaker 5>always been challenged. This business has always gone through dips,

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<v Speaker 5>it's always gone through ebbs. And how long this moment

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<v Speaker 5>of uncertainty lasts is probably longer than any of us

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<v Speaker 5>would love. And if that's how you define the worse,

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<v Speaker 5>then yes. But I think, you know, I think it's

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<v Speaker 5>just going to always be changing. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 5>it's going to get worse or better. I think we're

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<v Speaker 5>going to continue to change and evolve.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I always think about supplying demand cycles. I've got to

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<v Speaker 2>dogree economics, and I think about the world in that way.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think there was a period where we thought, man,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're a content creator, you are a good as

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<v Speaker 2>gold because there's so many, you know, different platforms that

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<v Speaker 2>need your services, they need your content, and then all

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<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, I think there's a lot of content

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe I don't know, there was too much content

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<v Speaker 2>and the oversupply. So where is the rebalancing or how

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<v Speaker 2>do we get back to a different level.

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<v Speaker 5>I think we're seeing the rebalancing now. I will say

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<v Speaker 5>I personally am a little bit worried about the level

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<v Speaker 5>of consolidation that we have because I do think that

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<v Speaker 5>it is hard to keep saying swayed in the favor

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<v Speaker 5>of the creators and of the artists, which is really

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<v Speaker 5>the community that we need to continue any sort of

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<v Speaker 5>artistic endeavor and idea. But you know, I think Mark

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<v Speaker 5>said something. He may have already said this to you

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<v Speaker 5>guys earlier, but that I think is a really important

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<v Speaker 5>bit of context, which is the past ten years of

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<v Speaker 5>the streaming arms race was a boon, like that was

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<v Speaker 5>a spike, that that was an abnormal state of our industry.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, So this is a little bit corrective, right.

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<v Speaker 5>It's not completely just the you know, Earth has fallen

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<v Speaker 5>out underneath us. This is a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 5>correction of something that was a real kind of an

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<v Speaker 5>aberration in of itself.

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<v Speaker 2>So a good thing a little bit maybe, but not

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<v Speaker 2>kind of your.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I was gonna say, I think the good thing

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<v Speaker 5>is that there are more ways to monetize content, right,

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<v Speaker 5>And we talked about everything from direct to consumer models

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<v Speaker 5>to YouTube. There are a lot of different platfor forms

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<v Speaker 5>in addition to Hollywood where you can monetize content.

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<v Speaker 3>How you do that? Right? Is the thing that a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of us don't yet know is you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, uh, when it pauses, this could be serious.

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<v Speaker 4>It's political too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The President has weighed in recently and he said the

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<v Speaker 1>way to fix this is to put tariffs on films

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<v Speaker 1>that are made outside of the US.

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<v Speaker 4>You're shaking your head.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think that's the way to say this.

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<v Speaker 1>Why should we be filming scenes about Brooklyn in Vancouver?

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<v Speaker 3>I think that we listen.

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<v Speaker 5>I definitely am personally invested in US keeping production inside

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<v Speaker 5>of the communities that, you know, where the people that

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<v Speaker 5>make them live, right, Because it's not just about are

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<v Speaker 5>we maintaining the integrity of the film itself by location

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<v Speaker 5>spased shooting. This city is where the majority of people

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<v Speaker 5>that make stuff live, and we've got to keep this

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<v Speaker 5>city healthy, and the economy and the infrastructure of that

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<v Speaker 5>has to be supported by films being made here, and

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<v Speaker 5>we've got to figure that out. At the same time,

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<v Speaker 5>if we're going to make the path of supporting these

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<v Speaker 5>artists is to be able to make more, to increase

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<v Speaker 5>the amount of stuff that is being made, we've got

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<v Speaker 5>to be nimble and if that means that sometimes shooting

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<v Speaker 5>things outside of the States, or shooting things outside of

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<v Speaker 5>LA and New York is the way to do that.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, a lot of the films that we've been

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<v Speaker 5>able to make that are really innovative and original and

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<v Speaker 5>risky have to find ways to cost less, and some

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<v Speaker 5>of the ways that we find to make them cost

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<v Speaker 5>less is to shoot them elsewhere. And then you have

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<v Speaker 5>American Fiction, which is a Boston set story that shot

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<v Speaker 5>in Massachusetts. So you know, we can figure it out

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<v Speaker 5>different ways, but we've got to have some.

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<v Speaker 4>Plex to figure out what college that was? What was it?

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<v Speaker 3>I went to college and doing Stayden.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't believe they shot I would I would be

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<v Speaker 5>lying to you if I told you I knew exactly

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<v Speaker 5>where that location was. But it may not have been

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<v Speaker 5>a college at all. I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess I'm just kidding.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember where Sopranos was like taped in my neighborhood and

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<v Speaker 2>it's not in New York City, it's just outside New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but it was.

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<v Speaker 4>Supposed to be perfect.

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<v Speaker 3>So what do you say?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you say? We're talking with a lot of Mao.

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<v Speaker 2>She is president of Ryan Pictures, you know. But when

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<v Speaker 2>you talk about right, like you want la and the

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<v Speaker 2>film scene and the filmy like you want it to

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<v Speaker 2>be alive and healthy. But I also do think about

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<v Speaker 2>you know, part of your market is a global market, Yeah, exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>So being able to film wherever in the world, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's part.

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<v Speaker 5>Of it, right, one hundred percent. We're you know, we're

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<v Speaker 5>a global community.

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<v Speaker 2>Without a penalty, whether it's a terror for one of

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 5>And also what about the movies that we produced out

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<v Speaker 5>of Hollywood that are not set in the US. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>we also produce movies that are set all over the world.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, Mission Impossible doesn't just all take place here, right,

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<v Speaker 5>So I think we have to be a global industry.

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<v Speaker 5>We have to you know, be a global economy with

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<v Speaker 5>artisans that are working all over the world. But the

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<v Speaker 5>argument that I understand is that shouldn't be to the

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<v Speaker 5>expense of the film industries locally. Really, I feel very

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<v Speaker 5>strongly about that.

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<v Speaker 1>You have a really cool background. You have worked twentieth

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<v Speaker 1>Century Thoughts, Paramount Pictures. You did a stinted Vimeo I did.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Oh my god, that's a blasphem with it's a

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<v Speaker 3>milling round. I know.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't heard it.

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<v Speaker 4>A while society.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry Vimo.

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<v Speaker 1>You came of age in an industry while it was

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<v Speaker 1>like undergoing this massive shift to streaming, which you alluded

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<v Speaker 1>to when you began your career. Did you ever think

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<v Speaker 1>that you'd be making movies at a company that was

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<v Speaker 1>owned by Amazon.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I couldn't. I shouldn't do this.

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<v Speaker 5>But I remember when Amazon first started making television shows.

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<v Speaker 3>I was at Fox and I laughed. I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>this is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 4>Because it will never laugh and everyone was like, and then.

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<v Speaker 5>They started making incredible TV shows. And then you know,

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<v Speaker 5>to track from that moment to now working at a

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<v Speaker 5>film studio that is under the Amazon umbrella. I couldn't

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<v Speaker 5>have predicted any of this. I will say, though, when

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<v Speaker 5>you talk about all of those places that I worked,

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<v Speaker 5>part of the reason why I got my dream job,

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<v Speaker 5>the best job that I thought you could ever have

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<v Speaker 5>in film. I was a movie studio executive at Paramount.

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<v Speaker 5>I was on the Paramount lot, and after being there

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<v Speaker 5>for five or six years, I realized that the world

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<v Speaker 5>around me had changed. And I went to Vimeo very

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<v Speaker 5>intentionally because I thought, there's all of this cool stuff

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<v Speaker 5>that is happening in this digital space that I need

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<v Speaker 5>to understand it. And then I said, I got to

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<v Speaker 5>work with close to the talent, and I've got to

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<v Speaker 5>produce and be able to be scrappy and produce for

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<v Speaker 5>different platforms and different mediums.

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<v Speaker 3>I went to go work with Michael B.

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<v Speaker 5>Jordan and so it's been ever changing for the entirety

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<v Speaker 5>of the time that I've had the you know, blessing

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<v Speaker 5>of having a career in this industry, which is why

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's not falling. You know, it's not all

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<v Speaker 5>falling apart.

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<v Speaker 2>What's it like? I mean, Amazon is mass company and

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<v Speaker 2>there are a lot of folks are like, yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>where I buy all my stuff, right, But we know

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<v Speaker 2>Aws is massive and we talked about it earlier too

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<v Speaker 2>here in terms of what they are doing media.

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<v Speaker 4>All sports, entertainment. Doctor works for Amazon.

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<v Speaker 2>And your pharmacist y like hands in so much of

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<v Speaker 2>our world and increasingly more so, what's it like they're

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<v Speaker 2>running a studio within the Amazon world.

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<v Speaker 5>It's interesting, you know, the great benefit of it is

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<v Speaker 5>in this time of instability, Amazon has such scale that

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<v Speaker 5>it feels as if you can one still be innovative,

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<v Speaker 5>you can still take risks, and you can ride these

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<v Speaker 5>waves of change within this massive, you know, company that

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<v Speaker 5>can withstand.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of the headwinds that we're experiencing.

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<v Speaker 5>So I think it's actually a place where innovation thrives,

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<v Speaker 5>which sounds like a talking point, but I swear I

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<v Speaker 5>just made that up. I'm like, let me see, I'm

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<v Speaker 5>like my cue cards, let me pull them out. But

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<v Speaker 5>it is also a big culture clash, you know, So

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<v Speaker 5>it's navigating those two things at once well.

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<v Speaker 2>And I also can I just just to follow like AI?

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<v Speaker 2>Right Amazon, They're so interchangeable, and then we're looking at

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<v Speaker 2>anybody who creates content and it's almost terrified of it.

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<v Speaker 5>There are yeah where it's Those are difficult conversations that

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<v Speaker 5>we're navigating every single day in real time.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think the difference from last.

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<v Speaker 5>Year where AI never came up, not once in a

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<v Speaker 5>conversation about any movie that I was working on to

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<v Speaker 5>this year, where it is ever present in what tools

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<v Speaker 5>are we using, what tools are we not using?

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<v Speaker 3>And also the fear I can only.

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<v Speaker 5>Imagine next year, you know, this stuff is happening exponentially.

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<v Speaker 4>Is the fear warranted?

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<v Speaker 3>I think yes and no.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, I think anytime that you have a technology that

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<v Speaker 5>is going to cause a reduction in jobs, of course

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<v Speaker 5>it's worrisome for people like that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a real human I can't you know, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>I think for me, who works with a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>independent filmmakers and people that are making really highly original

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<v Speaker 5>stuff but at a lower costs, I think the tools

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<v Speaker 5>have honestly been mostly helpful because they are creating you know,

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<v Speaker 5>reductions and costs to our budget.

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<v Speaker 3>Beyond that, I don't know, Like how do.

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<v Speaker 2>I was thinking? I think about this a lot, like

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<v Speaker 2>because we're starting to increasingly play around with things like Chachi.

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<v Speaker 1>But stilt, I can't rely on it at all. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's it's not.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, We're careful. We are, like I spend more

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<v Speaker 2>time to like I do everything trying to make it good.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, It's like I don't when I get back I

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<v Speaker 1>don't get the love that I need.

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<v Speaker 2>We check sources, But I was thinking about it in

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<v Speaker 2>the entertainment world, back to like that Star Wars movie,

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<v Speaker 2>the first one, and they were playing around with stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think about CGI, and I think about animation.

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<v Speaker 1>The first one, the first one, like in the nineteen seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>first one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but that was considered high. But you know, technology

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<v Speaker 2>has always had a roll increasingly, you know, whether it's

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<v Speaker 2>mission impossible, the things that Cruise is doing, and this

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<v Speaker 2>stuff happening around like pick pick whatever it is came

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<v Speaker 2>a throat like everything. So technology has a role. So

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<v Speaker 2>are we being silly to be so fearful of AI

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<v Speaker 2>or we just have to be smart or is it

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<v Speaker 2>something very very different from the things that we've had

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<v Speaker 2>in the digital universe.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think that it's silly to be cautious about

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<v Speaker 5>technological revolutions evolutions, because they usually come with the flip

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<v Speaker 5>side to the coin that can have some sort of

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<v Speaker 5>damaging impacts.

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<v Speaker 3>But what I don't think is going to happen is

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think that we as.

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<v Speaker 5>Studios are going to start generating all of our scripts

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<v Speaker 5>from some l M and producing those scripts so that

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<v Speaker 5>we don't have to pay writers.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, that's a real or.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not going to be all over the II actress.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure Chilli will be in some things. She will

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<v Speaker 3>not be in a Ryan.

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<v Speaker 1>I have seen stuff that is so bad where I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>this was definitely from AI. But of course I want

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<v Speaker 1>to shift gears a little bit and talk about sort

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<v Speaker 1>of the old school creative process and just ask the

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<v Speaker 1>basic question, how do you find the good stuff?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that's you know, that's part of the job.

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<v Speaker 5>As you you spend ten, fifteen, twenty years reading twenty

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<v Speaker 5>scripts a week, and part of my job is to

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<v Speaker 5>sift through all of that.

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<v Speaker 1>And okay, so, for example, to pick something like it,

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<v Speaker 1>to bet on something like American fiction, which I think

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<v Speaker 1>everybody knows. Yes, how many things do you pass on

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<v Speaker 1>before you get to that?

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<v Speaker 3>Probably over one hundred.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, the conversion rate of American Fiction was an incredible script.

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<v Speaker 5>One of the best scripts I've ever read in my life.

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<v Speaker 5>And those are unicorns, and they don't come around often

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<v Speaker 5>and they cannot be generated. Can someone now write, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>a replicate script that's American Fiction esque, perhaps through an LM.

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<v Speaker 5>It's not something that's an incredible voice and writer who

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<v Speaker 5>wrote almost a perfect script, and that those just don't

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<v Speaker 5>come along often.

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<v Speaker 2>Do we have time?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, go your background?

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<v Speaker 3>Your dad? Yeah, Radio, Yeah, he was a big deal.

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<v Speaker 4>He's a big deal.

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<v Speaker 3>Is a big deal, I think, so, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>How did that shape you kind of growing up in

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<v Speaker 2>that world?

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<v Speaker 5>The best thing about having my dad and my mom

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<v Speaker 5>both worked in the entertainment industries is I knew that

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<v Speaker 5>you could make a living doing this, and I didn't

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<v Speaker 5>have parents who were scared of me chasing this. But

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<v Speaker 5>I will say I also had a parent who lived

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<v Speaker 5>through massive, massive technological changes in his industry. I remember

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<v Speaker 5>showing my dad and iPods, showing him Napster and his

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<v Speaker 5>reaction to how that was going to affect things. So

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<v Speaker 5>I think I have a little bit more kind of

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<v Speaker 5>tenacity around this because I saw that happen very up

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<v Speaker 5>close in radio, and it's almost exactly the same as

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<v Speaker 5>what we're experiencing now in film's entertainment.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, like we see it in our world,

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<v Speaker 2>and we now do shows that you know right now,

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<v Speaker 2>you're on our streaming service, you're on YouTube, you're on radio,

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<v Speaker 2>and we do a couple of hours that throwed you know,

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<v Speaker 2>tradition linear television into it, so it's this melding is

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<v Speaker 2>pretty wild.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, Thank you. What a pleasure. Likewise, yeah, really fun.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope you can catch up. I hope sin at

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<v Speaker 3>some point in the future as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Alata Mayor, she's president of Ryan Pictures, joining us

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<v Speaker 2>right here at Bloomberg screen time.