1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. She's a film executive, 2 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: she's a producer. She's the president of Oryan Picture. She 3 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: helped bring us films including American fiction. Alana Mayo stops by. 4 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: We're gonna be speaking to her in just a minute. 5 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, Ryan Pictures Man, they've been around for a while, 6 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 2: so interesting. 7 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,799 Speaker 1: Different now though, yes, than it was in the nineteen seventies, which. 8 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 2: Is fascinating, right, you'd like to see how these things change. Hey, 9 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 2: also billionaire real estate developer and maybe la mayorial candidate 10 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 2: or maybe he wants to be governor of the state 11 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 2: of California. We're Caruso of Carusa is going to be 12 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 2: back with us. We're going to ask him, We're going 13 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 2: to push him. Last time we talked with him, he's like, 14 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 2: maybe I'm going to have a decision or announcement. 15 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:42,639 Speaker 3: So maybe he wants to do it live with us on. 16 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 4: Air, maybe just saying maybe we're ready, let's do it. Also, yes, chef, yes, chef, Yes, chef, 17 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:48,480 Speaker 4: yes chef. 18 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: We got the colinary producer of the Bear stopping by 19 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: and also the youngest female self made billionaire in the 20 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: world joins us. 21 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 4: Lucy Guo co founder. 22 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 2: Home wants us to say yes chef when he's cooking, 23 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 2: and we're like, not happening, that happening. That happening. 24 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 3: Hey. 25 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 2: Also, the youngest female self made billionaire in the world 26 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 2: is with us. We've got Lucy grow co founder of 27 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 2: Scalai and founder of Passes. She's going to be along 28 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 2: as well. So she's a once to watch, isn't she. 29 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, she's here with us. She's right here. 30 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 2: She is right here. 31 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, she's coming by in in like forty five minutes. 32 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 4: It's gonna be great. 33 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:21,839 Speaker 1: I want to get to our next guest though, because 34 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: we are in the heart of Hollywood, live at Bloomberg 35 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: screen Time in La we're speaking to the folks who 36 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: are defining the next phase of pop culture, includes film 37 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: and streaming. Alta Mayo is with us. She thinks a 38 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: lot about these things, streaming and traditional releases, probably simultaneously 39 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: these days, which is like a little crazy of the 40 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: world that we live in. Oriyan Pictures goes back to 41 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,199 Speaker 1: the late nineteen seventies. I think a day is silence 42 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: of the Lambs and more. It's different now, though Alana 43 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: joins us here at screen time these days. Orian focuses 44 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: primarily on films from underrepresented filmmakers. Releases under her tenure 45 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: include American Fiction Academy Award nominated Nickel Boys, and many more. 46 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: In a lot coming on the Harai M. Yeah too, welcome. 47 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 4: How are you? 48 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 2: Thank you? 49 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 3: I'm very well happy to be here. 50 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 2: Uh. 51 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: You just wrapped up this conversation with Mark duplas we 52 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: spoke to him a little earlier. Also Catherine Oliver as 53 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,959 Speaker 1: well for from Bloomberg. She was the former film Commissioner 54 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: of New York City. The focus was on reinfigurating the 55 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: creative community. 56 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 4: How do you do it? 57 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 3: Just that small question I just want This is. 58 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 4: Like the underlying theme of the entire thing. 59 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 3: How why are we here? 60 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 2: Well? 61 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 5: I think we're here because we have so much change 62 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 5: in so dynamo, so much dynamism, And the reality is 63 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 5: that no one really knows what the next wave of 64 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 5: media content Hollywood is going to look like. So we're 65 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 5: at this incredible inflection point and having to innovate in 66 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 5: real time and build new systems while the previous systems 67 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:51,519 Speaker 5: are being dismantled, are evolving, are changing. So well, I 68 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 5: wish I had a quick answer to your question. 69 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 3: Of how do we do it. 70 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 5: What we ended up talking about mostly is how do 71 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 5: we just create enough sustainability for artists so that everyone 72 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 5: can sustain this moment in time? And so whatever is 73 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 5: on the other side of this, whatever that looks like 74 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 5: that the creative voices that build our industry can still survive. 75 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 4: Does it get worse before it gets better? 76 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 5: I mean, if you look at it with a long lens, 77 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 5: you know, define worse, right, If you look at a 78 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 5: lot with a long lens, it's always this business has 79 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 5: always been challenged. This business has always gone through dips, 80 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 5: it's always gone through ebbs. And how long this moment 81 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 5: of uncertainty lasts is probably longer than any of us 82 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 5: would love. And if that's how you define the worse, 83 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 5: then yes. But I think, you know, I think it's 84 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 5: just going to always be changing. I don't know if 85 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 5: it's going to get worse or better. I think we're 86 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 5: going to continue to change and evolve. 87 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: You know. 88 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 2: I always think about supplying demand cycles. I've got to 89 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 2: dogree economics, and I think about the world in that way. 90 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 2: And I think there was a period where we thought, man, 91 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 2: if you're a content creator, you are a good as 92 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 2: gold because there's so many, you know, different platforms that 93 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 2: need your services, they need your content, and then all 94 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 2: of a sudden, I think there's a lot of content 95 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 2: and maybe I don't know, there was too much content 96 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 2: and the oversupply. So where is the rebalancing or how 97 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 2: do we get back to a different level. 98 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 5: I think we're seeing the rebalancing now. I will say 99 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 5: I personally am a little bit worried about the level 100 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 5: of consolidation that we have because I do think that 101 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 5: it is hard to keep saying swayed in the favor 102 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 5: of the creators and of the artists, which is really 103 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 5: the community that we need to continue any sort of 104 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 5: artistic endeavor and idea. But you know, I think Mark 105 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 5: said something. He may have already said this to you 106 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 5: guys earlier, but that I think is a really important 107 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 5: bit of context, which is the past ten years of 108 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 5: the streaming arms race was a boon, like that was 109 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 5: a spike, that that was an abnormal state of our industry. 110 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 3: Right, So this is a little bit corrective, right. 111 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 5: It's not completely just the you know, Earth has fallen 112 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 5: out underneath us. This is a little bit of a 113 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 5: correction of something that was a real kind of an 114 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 5: aberration in of itself. 115 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 2: So a good thing a little bit maybe, but not 116 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 2: kind of your. 117 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, I was gonna say, I think the good thing 118 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 5: is that there are more ways to monetize content, right, 119 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 5: And we talked about everything from direct to consumer models 120 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 5: to YouTube. There are a lot of different platfor forms 121 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 5: in addition to Hollywood where you can monetize content. 122 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 3: How you do that? Right? Is the thing that a 123 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 3: lot of us don't yet know is you. 124 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 2: Know, uh, when it pauses, this could be serious. 125 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 4: It's political too. 126 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 127 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: The President has weighed in recently and he said the 128 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: way to fix this is to put tariffs on films 129 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 1: that are made outside of the US. 130 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 4: You're shaking your head. 131 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 3: I don't think that's the way to say this. 132 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,799 Speaker 1: Why should we be filming scenes about Brooklyn in Vancouver? 133 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 3: I think that we listen. 134 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 5: I definitely am personally invested in US keeping production inside 135 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 5: of the communities that, you know, where the people that 136 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 5: make them live, right, Because it's not just about are 137 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 5: we maintaining the integrity of the film itself by location 138 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 5: spased shooting. This city is where the majority of people 139 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 5: that make stuff live, and we've got to keep this 140 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 5: city healthy, and the economy and the infrastructure of that 141 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 5: has to be supported by films being made here, and 142 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 5: we've got to figure that out. At the same time, 143 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 5: if we're going to make the path of supporting these 144 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 5: artists is to be able to make more, to increase 145 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 5: the amount of stuff that is being made, we've got 146 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 5: to be nimble and if that means that sometimes shooting 147 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 5: things outside of the States, or shooting things outside of 148 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 5: LA and New York is the way to do that. 149 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 5: You know, a lot of the films that we've been 150 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 5: able to make that are really innovative and original and 151 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 5: risky have to find ways to cost less, and some 152 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 5: of the ways that we find to make them cost 153 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 5: less is to shoot them elsewhere. And then you have 154 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 5: American Fiction, which is a Boston set story that shot 155 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 5: in Massachusetts. So you know, we can figure it out 156 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 5: different ways, but we've got to have some. 157 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 4: Plex to figure out what college that was? What was it? 158 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 3: I went to college and doing Stayden. 159 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 5: I don't believe they shot I would I would be 160 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 5: lying to you if I told you I knew exactly 161 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 5: where that location was. But it may not have been 162 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 5: a college at all. I'm sorry. 163 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 4: I guess I'm just kidding. 164 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 2: Remember where Sopranos was like taped in my neighborhood and 165 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 2: it's not in New York City, it's just outside New Jersey. 166 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was. 167 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 4: Supposed to be perfect. 168 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 3: So what do you say? 169 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 2: What do you say? We're talking with a lot of Mao. 170 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 2: She is president of Ryan Pictures, you know. But when 171 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 2: you talk about right, like you want la and the 172 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 2: film scene and the filmy like you want it to 173 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 2: be alive and healthy. But I also do think about 174 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 2: you know, part of your market is a global market, Yeah, exactly, 175 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 2: So being able to film wherever in the world, Like, 176 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 2: that's part. 177 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 5: Of it, right, one hundred percent. We're you know, we're 178 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 5: a global community. 179 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 2: Without a penalty, whether it's a terror for one of 180 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 2: one hundred percent. 181 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 5: And also what about the movies that we produced out 182 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 5: of Hollywood that are not set in the US. You know, 183 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 5: we also produce movies that are set all over the world. 184 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 5: You know, Mission Impossible doesn't just all take place here, right, 185 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 5: So I think we have to be a global industry. 186 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 5: We have to you know, be a global economy with 187 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 5: artisans that are working all over the world. But the 188 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 5: argument that I understand is that shouldn't be to the 189 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 5: expense of the film industries locally. Really, I feel very 190 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 5: strongly about that. 191 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: You have a really cool background. You have worked twentieth 192 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: Century Thoughts, Paramount Pictures. You did a stinted Vimeo I did. 193 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh my god, that's a blasphem with it's a 194 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 3: milling round. I know. 195 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 2: I haven't heard it. 196 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 4: A while society. 197 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 2: Sorry Vimo. 198 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: You came of age in an industry while it was 199 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: like undergoing this massive shift to streaming, which you alluded 200 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: to when you began your career. Did you ever think 201 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: that you'd be making movies at a company that was 202 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: owned by Amazon. 203 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 3: No, I couldn't. I shouldn't do this. 204 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 5: But I remember when Amazon first started making television shows. 205 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 3: I was at Fox and I laughed. I was like, 206 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 3: this is ridiculous. 207 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,359 Speaker 4: Because it will never laugh and everyone was like, and then. 208 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 5: They started making incredible TV shows. And then you know, 209 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 5: to track from that moment to now working at a 210 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 5: film studio that is under the Amazon umbrella. I couldn't 211 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 5: have predicted any of this. I will say, though, when 212 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 5: you talk about all of those places that I worked, 213 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 5: part of the reason why I got my dream job, 214 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 5: the best job that I thought you could ever have 215 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 5: in film. I was a movie studio executive at Paramount. 216 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 5: I was on the Paramount lot, and after being there 217 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 5: for five or six years, I realized that the world 218 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 5: around me had changed. And I went to Vimeo very 219 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 5: intentionally because I thought, there's all of this cool stuff 220 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 5: that is happening in this digital space that I need 221 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 5: to understand it. And then I said, I got to 222 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 5: work with close to the talent, and I've got to 223 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 5: produce and be able to be scrappy and produce for 224 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 5: different platforms and different mediums. 225 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 3: I went to go work with Michael B. 226 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 5: Jordan and so it's been ever changing for the entirety 227 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 5: of the time that I've had the you know, blessing 228 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 5: of having a career in this industry, which is why 229 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 5: I think it's not falling. You know, it's not all 230 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:31,559 Speaker 5: falling apart. 231 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 2: What's it like? I mean, Amazon is mass company and 232 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 2: there are a lot of folks are like, yeah, that's 233 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 2: where I buy all my stuff, right, But we know 234 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 2: Aws is massive and we talked about it earlier too 235 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 2: here in terms of what they are doing media. 236 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 4: All sports, entertainment. Doctor works for Amazon. 237 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 2: And your pharmacist y like hands in so much of 238 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 2: our world and increasingly more so, what's it like they're 239 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 2: running a studio within the Amazon world. 240 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 5: It's interesting, you know, the great benefit of it is 241 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 5: in this time of instability, Amazon has such scale that 242 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 5: it feels as if you can one still be innovative, 243 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 5: you can still take risks, and you can ride these 244 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 5: waves of change within this massive, you know, company that 245 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 5: can withstand. 246 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 3: Some of the headwinds that we're experiencing. 247 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 5: So I think it's actually a place where innovation thrives, 248 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 5: which sounds like a talking point, but I swear I 249 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 5: just made that up. I'm like, let me see, I'm 250 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 5: like my cue cards, let me pull them out. But 251 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 5: it is also a big culture clash, you know, So 252 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 5: it's navigating those two things at once well. 253 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 2: And I also can I just just to follow like AI? 254 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 2: Right Amazon, They're so interchangeable, and then we're looking at 255 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 2: anybody who creates content and it's almost terrified of it. 256 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 5: There are yeah where it's Those are difficult conversations that 257 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 5: we're navigating every single day in real time. 258 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 3: And I think the difference from last. 259 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 5: Year where AI never came up, not once in a 260 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 5: conversation about any movie that I was working on to 261 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 5: this year, where it is ever present in what tools 262 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 5: are we using, what tools are we not using? 263 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 3: And also the fear I can only. 264 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 5: Imagine next year, you know, this stuff is happening exponentially. 265 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 4: Is the fear warranted? 266 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 3: I think yes and no. 267 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 5: Right, I think anytime that you have a technology that 268 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 5: is going to cause a reduction in jobs, of course 269 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 5: it's worrisome for people like that. 270 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 3: It's a real human I can't you know, I don't know. 271 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 5: I think for me, who works with a lot of 272 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 5: independent filmmakers and people that are making really highly original 273 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 5: stuff but at a lower costs, I think the tools 274 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 5: have honestly been mostly helpful because they are creating you know, 275 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 5: reductions and costs to our budget. 276 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 3: Beyond that, I don't know, Like how do. 277 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 2: I was thinking? I think about this a lot, like 278 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 2: because we're starting to increasingly play around with things like Chachi. 279 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: But stilt, I can't rely on it at all. Sure, 280 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: Like it's it's not. 281 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,959 Speaker 2: No, no, We're careful. We are, like I spend more 282 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 2: time to like I do everything trying to make it good. 283 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 1: Right, It's like I don't when I get back I 284 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: don't get the love that I need. 285 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,079 Speaker 2: We check sources, But I was thinking about it in 286 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 2: the entertainment world, back to like that Star Wars movie, 287 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 2: the first one, and they were playing around with stuff. 288 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 2: But I think about CGI, and I think about animation. 289 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: The first one, the first one, like in the nineteen seventies, 290 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: first one. 291 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was considered high. But you know, technology 292 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 2: has always had a roll increasingly, you know, whether it's 293 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 2: mission impossible, the things that Cruise is doing, and this 294 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 2: stuff happening around like pick pick whatever it is came 295 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 2: a throat like everything. So technology has a role. So 296 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 2: are we being silly to be so fearful of AI 297 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 2: or we just have to be smart or is it 298 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 2: something very very different from the things that we've had 299 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 2: in the digital universe. 300 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 5: I don't think that it's silly to be cautious about 301 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 5: technological revolutions evolutions, because they usually come with the flip 302 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 5: side to the coin that can have some sort of 303 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 5: damaging impacts. 304 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 3: But what I don't think is going to happen is 305 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 3: I don't think that we as. 306 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 5: Studios are going to start generating all of our scripts 307 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 5: from some l M and producing those scripts so that 308 00:12:58,040 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 5: we don't have to pay writers. 309 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 3: I said, that's a real or. 310 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 2: It's not going to be all over the II actress. 311 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 3: I'm sure Chilli will be in some things. She will 312 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 3: not be in a Ryan. 313 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: I have seen stuff that is so bad where I'm like, 314 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: this was definitely from AI. But of course I want 315 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: to shift gears a little bit and talk about sort 316 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: of the old school creative process and just ask the 317 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: basic question, how do you find the good stuff? 318 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 3: Well, that's you know, that's part of the job. 319 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 5: As you you spend ten, fifteen, twenty years reading twenty 320 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 5: scripts a week, and part of my job is to 321 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 5: sift through all of that. 322 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: And okay, so, for example, to pick something like it, 323 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: to bet on something like American fiction, which I think 324 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: everybody knows. Yes, how many things do you pass on 325 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: before you get to that? 326 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:41,319 Speaker 3: Probably over one hundred. 327 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, the conversion rate of American Fiction was an incredible script. 328 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 5: One of the best scripts I've ever read in my life. 329 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 5: And those are unicorns, and they don't come around often 330 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 5: and they cannot be generated. Can someone now write, you know, 331 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 5: a replicate script that's American Fiction esque, perhaps through an LM. 332 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 5: It's not something that's an incredible voice and writer who 333 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 5: wrote almost a perfect script, and that those just don't 334 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 5: come along often. 335 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 2: Do we have time? 336 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, go your background? 337 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 3: Your dad? Yeah, Radio, Yeah, he was a big deal. 338 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 4: He's a big deal. 339 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:16,599 Speaker 3: Is a big deal, I think, so, yeah. 340 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 2: How did that shape you kind of growing up in 341 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 2: that world? 342 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 5: The best thing about having my dad and my mom 343 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 5: both worked in the entertainment industries is I knew that 344 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 5: you could make a living doing this, and I didn't 345 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 5: have parents who were scared of me chasing this. But 346 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 5: I will say I also had a parent who lived 347 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 5: through massive, massive technological changes in his industry. I remember 348 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 5: showing my dad and iPods, showing him Napster and his 349 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 5: reaction to how that was going to affect things. So 350 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 5: I think I have a little bit more kind of 351 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 5: tenacity around this because I saw that happen very up 352 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 5: close in radio, and it's almost exactly the same as 353 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 5: what we're experiencing now in film's entertainment. 354 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like we see it in our world, 355 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 2: and we now do shows that you know right now, 356 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 2: you're on our streaming service, you're on YouTube, you're on radio, 357 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 2: and we do a couple of hours that throwed you know, 358 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 2: tradition linear television into it, so it's this melding is 359 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 2: pretty wild. 360 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you. What a pleasure. Likewise, yeah, really fun. 361 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 3: I hope you can catch up. I hope sin at 362 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 3: some point in the future as well. 363 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 2: Thanks Alata Mayor, she's president of Ryan Pictures, joining us 364 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 2: right here at Bloomberg screen time.