1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: From the Berkshars to the sound from wherever you live 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: in MLB America. This is inside the Parker. You give 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: us twenty two minutes and we'll give you the scoop 4 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: on major League Baseball. Now here's Baseball Hall of Fame 5 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: voter number seventy, Rob Parker. 6 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 2: Welcome into the podcast. I'm your host, Rob Parker. Great 7 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 2: show for you today, My goodness, gracious, we will have 8 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 2: Tom Hamilton, the longtime voice of the Cleveland Guardians whose 9 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: call of the fight went viral. 10 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 3: Also Brian Storkel. 11 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 2: He's the director of the Netflix documentary Hall of Shame 12 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 2: about Victor Conti. 13 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 3: And the Peds. All that and much more. 14 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: Let's go better up to lead off, it's getting robbed 15 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: and keep him on. Rob's hot take on the three 16 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: biggest stories in Major League Baseball. Number one, It's going 17 00:00:58,720 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: to be. 18 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 3: A tough road for Theankees to make the playoffs. 19 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 2: We always expected, but the injuries have really hurt the Yankees, 20 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 2: including that long dry spell without Aaron Judge. Somehow, there's 21 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 2: still over five hundred, they're still in the wild card race. 22 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: But Bob Klappish from NJ dot Com New Jersey dot 23 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 2: Com said that the Yankees are likely to fire manager 24 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 2: Aaron Boone, but the idea of firing the GM Brian 25 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 2: Cashman isn't even on the table. Wow, this is going 26 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 2: to be interesting. Brian Cashman has been there for a 27 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 2: long time. I think he started actually as an inturne. 28 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 2: He might have over twenty five years in the Yankees organization, 29 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 2: and obviously they had a lot of success. He was 30 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,559 Speaker 2: the assistant general manager when they won their first World 31 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 2: Series in a long time in ninety six. Bob Watson 32 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 2: was the general manager and it's been lean. The Yankees 33 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 2: sell a lot of tickets. They were in the hunt 34 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 2: every year they make the playoffs, so it's hard not 35 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 2: get to get rid of a general manager. But let's 36 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 2: just face it, they haven't won since two thousand and nine. 37 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 2: That's a long time in Yankee land, and I I 38 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 2: just have the feeling that if you're going to do 39 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 2: you know, Aaron Boone and give him the ziggy, it 40 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 2: might be time to do the same with Brian Cashman 41 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: and look for fresh blood, somebody who can help to get. 42 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 3: The Yankees over the hump. 43 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 2: Because when you take Judge out of that lineup, the 44 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 2: lineup is pretty paltry. There's a lot of dead weight. 45 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 2: They can't get runners in and scoring position. They need 46 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 2: to invigorate this lineup with some new blood, a young 47 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 2: star to go out and get. So this will be 48 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 2: interesting playing out. If Bob Clappish is right and Aaron 49 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 2: Boone is out, I think Brian Cashman would be out as. 50 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: Well, number two. 51 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:58,239 Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense, but it's working somehow. The Minnesota 52 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 2: Twins went out and they signed Carlos Correa after he 53 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 2: failed his physical in San Francisco after he failed his 54 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 2: physical with the Mats and both teams dropped out of 55 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 2: his sweepstakes, and it's been a struggle basically all year, 56 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 2: but somehow Twins are in line to win the AL Central. 57 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 2: Coming into Wednesday, had a four and a half game 58 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 2: lead against Cleveland. So think about that if they're able 59 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 2: to hold on in these final two months, and maybe 60 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 2: Correa can get his act together since the All Star 61 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 2: break's batting two twenty two and leads the major leagues 62 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 2: in double plays. But the other day he had a 63 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 2: big game and fans are hoping that this will will 64 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 2: get him started, because it was it's just been it's been. 65 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 3: Really, really tough uh, for Korea. 66 00:03:55,360 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 2: And I think people thought maybe his injuries not as 67 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 2: bad as the Mets and the Giants thought, and maybe 68 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 2: they thought that the Twins lucked out. But somehow the 69 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 2: rest of the team is still playing well and they're 70 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 2: in first place. And imagine if they get him in 71 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 2: the final two months of the playoffs and he can 72 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 2: just be, you know, more like the player we know 73 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 2: he can be when he was a star in Houston. 74 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 2: So the Twins are lucky so far, but you know 75 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 2: what it might pay off for them if he does 76 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 2: turn his fortunes around at the. 77 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: Plate number three. 78 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I don't get it. 79 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 2: The Baltimore Orioles and the thin skin ownership or whatever's 80 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 2: going on. Why would they distract everybody away from a 81 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 2: great season and all the positive buzz about the Baltimore 82 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 2: Orioles And one long ago I remember writing a column 83 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 2: for dead Spin saying that they should move the team 84 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 2: out of Baltimore. They were bad, nobody was showing up, 85 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 2: and now they have full houses. And instead, what do 86 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 2: they do to distract everybody from the great player base 87 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 2: ball on the field. They suspend the broadcaster Kevin Brown 88 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 2: because he revealed the numbers that everybody already knew that 89 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 2: down in Tampa Bay To Oriols were like in the 90 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 2: House of Horrors and had an abysmal record against the 91 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 2: Rays down in Tampa. So now they've reinstated him, but 92 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 2: not before getting the raft of baseball fans. Orioles, fans 93 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 2: and other radio and TV announcers all came to Kevin 94 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 2: Brown's defense, because if you ever heard the tape, he 95 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 2: really didn't say anything that was in fact. Even fans 96 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 2: at the game the other night were chanting, free Kevin Brown. 97 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 3: Think about that, Free Kevin Brown. Why in the world are. 98 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 2: You distracting fans from the team with the announcer and 99 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 2: even some players came to his defense. Come on, don't 100 00:05:55,600 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 2: beat thin skinned. He's a team announcer. He's not ripping 101 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 2: the team. He's given you facts. You shouldn't argue with facts. 102 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense. Come on, ools, get it right. 103 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 2: You're leading the Al East. You got a chance to 104 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 2: win the division. Enjoy that. Stay away from the controversy. 105 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: Here comes the big interview. Listen and learn. 106 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 3: It's so good. All right, now, let's welcome into the podcast. 107 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 3: Brian Storkel. 108 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 2: He's the director of the latest installment of Netflix Untold 109 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 2: the documentaries and man, you know this Baseball Inside the 110 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 2: Parker podcast is all about baseball. 111 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 3: So here we are the. 112 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 2: Hall of Shame premier's August fifteenth, and it focuses on 113 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 2: Victor Conte, the former president of Balco. 114 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 3: Laboratories and you know, all the stuff with the players. 115 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 2: He was the go to guys, steroids, peds, all that stuff, 116 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 2: including Barry Bonds. 117 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 3: So, Brian, welcome to the podcast. Thank you. I'm interested 118 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 3: in watching this. Thank you. 119 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for having me. 120 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 4: Are you are you actually officially a Hall of Fame 121 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 4: voter or is that your Are you actually number seventy voter? 122 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 2: Yes, that's my claim to fame, and I take it 123 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 2: very seriously, and I want you to know that I 124 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 2: voted for Barry Bonds all ten years he was on 125 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 2: the ballot. I certainly did anything. Not that I think 126 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 2: that he didn't do it. I just think that it 127 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: was going on for a lot of players during that era. 128 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 2: And it's unfair just to pick out a handful of 129 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 2: guys and say, you know, they're the bad guys. 130 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 4: Totally. It's it's so much more complicated than just yeah, 131 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 4: good or bad either It's just there's so much more 132 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 4: to the discussion. Many how many people were voting for 133 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 4: him each year. I'd never looked at the at the 134 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 4: numbers where you were one of a handful, right. 135 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it kept going up. 136 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 2: Actually, the younger writers, it was the guys who like 137 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 2: me have been around for low i'pic covering Major League 138 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 2: Baseball for thirty seven years. So the older guys, some 139 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 2: of those guys were set and they refused to vote 140 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,239 Speaker 2: for him, but the younger guys did. So his numbers 141 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 2: actually kept going up as time went on, and he 142 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 2: still fell short. 143 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 3: He needed seventy five percent. 144 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 2: I think he got to sixty five or sixty seven, 145 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 2: which is close. 146 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 3: You know, which is close. The guy was a tremendous ballplayer. 147 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 2: But please give me some insight on what I'm going 148 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 2: to see or what we're going to see. 149 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, documentary. 150 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 4: It's definitely a you know, Balco is this story that 151 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 4: has been you know, definitely in the press a lot 152 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 4: over the years, right, like, especially back in the time 153 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 4: when it was happening, And I was a huge baseball 154 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 4: fan at the time. I grew up in Seattle, watched 155 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 4: my Mariners in the nineties ninety five specifically, but yeah, 156 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 4: when the Balco thing happened later, I yeah, all I 157 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 4: knew was there was this, you know, this big bad 158 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 4: guy with the mustache that had kind of like the 159 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 4: villain who had taken down sports single handedly, kind of, 160 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 4: you know, and every you know, there's all this you know, 161 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 4: questions as to who was cheating and who wasn't, and 162 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 4: you know, but certain people got in the headlines more 163 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 4: than others, you know, Victor Kanti being one of them, 164 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 4: Barry Bonds obviously being one of them. Like you said, 165 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 4: there was so many other people involved in this sort 166 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 4: of thing, but certain people rose to the top. So 167 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 4: my impression of Victor and what I knew of him 168 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 4: was just what I'd seen in the headlines, and you know, 169 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 4: a few articles and there's you know, portraits of him 170 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 4: as kind of the puppeteer. There's one cartoon where he 171 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 4: has his fingers dangling several athletes on strings and he's 172 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 4: like moving them around as if he's the mastermind behind 173 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 4: the you know, behind why baseball players are using steroids 174 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 4: to begin with. And I just knew that there was more 175 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 4: of the story than this, So we wanted to take 176 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 4: a human approach and just get to know Victor and 177 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 4: get to know some of the other people involved in 178 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 4: this and understand, you know, more of the behind the 179 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 4: scenes in the most comprehensive way. I think that the 180 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:00,839 Speaker 4: Balco story has ever been told. So that's what this 181 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 4: film is. 182 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 2: Oh, just fascinating, it really is. And I don't know, 183 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 2: I mean, Brian, I'm just you might not be able 184 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 2: to answer this, but just how rampant do you think 185 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 2: it was? 186 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 3: Or did you ever get a sense of baseball? 187 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 2: Because I just I was covering the sport and it's 188 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 2: easy to look at McGuire and Sosa and Bonds, but 189 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:27,479 Speaker 2: more pictures have been caught on juice than hitters suspended 190 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 2: at least, And I want to say, I don't know, 191 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 2: seventy five percent might have tried it or do you 192 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 2: know what I mean, or flirted with it or not 193 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 2: fully gone in. 194 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 3: But am I off base? 195 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: It's a huge number. 196 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 4: I mean, we don't get into that specifically, because the 197 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 4: film is more about Victor and about the people surrounding Balco, 198 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 4: and he actually wasn't involved in that many baseball players, 199 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 4: you know, he never even Victor never even admitted to 200 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 4: giving Barry bonds, any steroids or any sort of performance 201 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 4: enhancing drives to giving him supplements and helping him. He 202 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 4: had a line of supplements. Basically he kind of created 203 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 4: or helped produce the ZMA supplements that were then taken 204 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 4: on and branded by a lot of other companies. But 205 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 4: he was giving Barry ZMA, and Barry even did some 206 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 4: promotion for ZMA. But yeah, he never admits to giving 207 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 4: him anything. I think the film also focuses on where 208 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,599 Speaker 4: he started, which was track and field, and there's you know, 209 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 4: set quite a few track and field athletes that he 210 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 4: supported more than baseball players, where you know, Marion Jones, 211 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 4: Tim Montgomery, and that stuff all came out in the 212 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 4: trial and in the evidence, and we focus on that 213 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 4: and specifically Tim Montgomery. In the film, Tim sits down 214 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 4: for an interview and he's just very open and candid 215 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 4: and honest with his interview, which I love because you 216 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 4: don't get to hear that too often. Most of the 217 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 4: time people are, you know, giving excuses and trying to 218 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 4: cover things up. 219 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 3: Our guest is Brian Storkele. 220 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 2: He is the director for the Netflix documentary series Untold 221 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 2: and Hall of Shame, premieres August fifteenth. Let me ask you, 222 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 2: Victor Conte, is he remorseful with what happened and how people, 223 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 2: you know, like Barry Bond should be celebrated. I just 224 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:16,719 Speaker 2: go to him all the time, and you know what 225 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 2: I mean, and instead he's prasada, non grada. He doesn't 226 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 2: get the you know, attention and stuff that is he 227 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 2: had all remorseful that you know, guys got caught up 228 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 2: in this. 229 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 4: I think he's I think he's definitely remorseful for you know, 230 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 4: for being involved in some of these things. And for 231 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 4: to him, it's the effect it had on these athletes personally, 232 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 4: in the lives of their families, and he had a 233 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 4: you know, Victor, there was some effect on his personal 234 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 4: life as well. But there were other athletes that whose 235 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 4: lives were destroyed, and especially some of the track and 236 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 4: field athletes who were you know, Barry didn't get into 237 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame, and obviously that's a huge deal, 238 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 4: but there's other athletes that you know, had all of 239 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 4: their money taken away and all of their ward words 240 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 4: and basically, I mean Tim Montgomery ended up in jail 241 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 4: for selling heroin. 242 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: As kind of a. 243 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 4: Spiral effect after this, you know, what happened that when 244 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 4: when everything went downhill, And I think Victor is very 245 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 4: remorseful for kind of, you know, for causing that pain. 246 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 4: I think the other side of that, he still has 247 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 4: a pride in being a part of these accomplishments. 248 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: And that's kind of one of the things. 249 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,439 Speaker 4: We explore with the film too, is just legacy and 250 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 4: you know, how you know what people will do to 251 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 4: achieve greatness and what that means if you took some 252 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 4: shortcuts along the way to get there. 253 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess my question always is and and I understand, 254 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 2: like you're not taking something because you don't think it's 255 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 2: going to help you. So I do understand that. But 256 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:47,559 Speaker 2: but in baseball, you know, there's an eye hand coordination 257 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 2: that I'm sorry, I don't care how big and strong 258 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 2: you are. If you don't have that, you can't play 259 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 2: that game, do you know? And And and that's why 260 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 2: it's hard for me to look and just say, oh, 261 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 2: Bonds did that just because of this, And I don't 262 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 2: believe that. I mean, I think there's do you think 263 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 2: people look at it that we just automatically always on 264 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 2: a jew. 265 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 3: So that's why he was a great hitter. 266 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 4: I mean, I think a lot of people do. Unfortunately, 267 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 4: I don't think that's the truth. I think I mean, 268 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 4: Barry Bonds was a Hall of Fame like athlete before 269 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 4: he ever started doing any of this. 270 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 3: And Pittsburgh he won three MVPs. 271 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 4: Absolutely, you know, and like you said, there's so much 272 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 4: more that goes into it. I think it gives you 273 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 4: that little boost at the end. How many percentage that 274 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 4: is it? Is it five percent more, is it ten percent? 275 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 4: I don't know. I think it's it's a It's definitely 276 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 4: something that you know, you can't just take and expect 277 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 4: to be a good athlete. 278 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think people sometimes oversimplified. You know what, 279 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 2: whenever someone brings up Barry Bonds and I have an argument. 280 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 2: The first question I asked him, Brian to say, well, 281 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 2: how many times did Barry Bonds hit over fifty home runs? 282 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 2: And they go, I don't know, six seven, And then 283 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 2: when I say no, no, one time in his career, 284 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 2: nobody can believe it because the feeling is, once you 285 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 2: got on a juice, he was hitting fifty sixty, seventy 286 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 2: home runs every year and it just wasn't the case. 287 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 288 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 4: Absolutely, I think one of the case studies in the film, 289 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 4: you know Tim Montgomery, you know, he with Victor set 290 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 4: out to break the record for the one hundred meter race, 291 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 4: which was you know, officially the title of the world's 292 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 4: fastest man. So they set out to do this using training, 293 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 4: using the right coaches, and also implementing you know, peds, 294 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 4: and they had this goal they went after it. But 295 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 4: it's kind of funny because when right when he started 296 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 4: taking you know, these peds, his numbers actually went down 297 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 4: at first at the beginning, and it took some time 298 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 4: figuring everything out. But it's not just you know, there's 299 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 4: a lot of elements and it's you know, how they're 300 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 4: taking it. It's when they're taking it. It's a what 301 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 4: training they're doing along with it. But yeah, that case 302 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 4: study in the film, I think is really interesting because 303 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 4: you just you get to see kind of how they 304 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 4: put together this plan and actually achieved that goal. And 305 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 4: Victor was along for the ride with Barry you know who, 306 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 4: like we have some you know evidence in the film 307 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 4: that they were involved together in you know actually you know, 308 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 4: Victor was aware of his drug testing and that he 309 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 4: was getting positive tests and things like that, but you know, 310 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 4: Victor still doesn't admit that he gave him anything. 311 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 3: No, and I would figure that to be the case. Brian. 312 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 2: One last thing, how will I feel after watching this? 313 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 2: Will I feel sympathetic to the athletes who are involved 314 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 2: in this? 315 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 3: Or will I need to take a shower? Which one 316 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 3: will it be? 317 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 4: I mean, with all of the films that I work on, 318 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 4: I try to find that human side, and even people 319 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 4: who are, you know, labeled evil or detestable, I think 320 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 4: you can and have some empathy for them. And in 321 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 4: this case in particular, it's not that it's not that 322 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 4: evil in my opinion anyway, but I really wanted you 323 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 4: to connect with the athletes and to connect with Victor, 324 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 4: and I think you will feel empathy for them, but 325 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 4: you'll also be able to do you know, we interview 326 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 4: many sides of this, including the government investigator who kind 327 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 4: of helped take them down, and I think at the 328 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 4: end of the day, you'll be able to listen to 329 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 4: all these people and kind of some of the stuff 330 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 4: you'll believe that they're saying and some of the stuff 331 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 4: you won't, and you'll be able to make up your 332 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 4: own mind about how you feel about it. 333 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 2: All. 334 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 4: I don't it definitely doesn't push you in one direction 335 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 4: or another, or make you feel, you know strongly that 336 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 4: a new opinion. I think it just gives you all 337 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 4: the information and lets you connect to a human and 338 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 4: enjoy their story. 339 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 1: It's a fun ride too. We had fun with it. 340 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 4: There's a lot of fun stuff. I mean, you had 341 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 4: an IRS agent digging through dumpsters to find evidence about 342 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 4: Barry Bonds. I mean, it's and he sat down for 343 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 4: the first time to talk on camera about this, So 344 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 4: it's it's just a fun story, all right. 345 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 3: Can't wait to watch it. Hall of Shame. 346 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 2: Brian Storkele, the director of the Netflix of Course Untold, 347 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 2: the documentary about Balco in the two thousands. Man, I 348 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 2: cannot wait to watch this, and best of luck to you, 349 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 2: all right, Brian, Thank. 350 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 4: You appreciate it. 351 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: It was a big week in the big leagues. Who's 352 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 1: a Bee? Is it foul or is it fair? And 353 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: now from mlbanbro dot com here's JR Gamble Jr. 354 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 2: Is it foul or fair to say that the four 355 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 2: man National League MVP race between Atlanta Braves stars Ronald 356 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 2: Lacuna Junior and Matt Olsen and Dodger stars Mookie Betts 357 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 2: and Freddie Freeman will be the closest in NL history 358 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 2: involving more than two players. 359 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: Fair it's a ball. Just look at the dynamics. 360 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 5: You have four guys from two different powerhouse teams vying 361 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 5: for one MVP award. Early on, Ronald Decunya was running 362 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 5: away with it, but recently support for his Braves teammate 363 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 5: Matt Olsen's power has been swelling. Then you have the 364 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 5: powerhouse Dodgers, who can't be overlooked because they have two 365 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 5: of the best players to ever do it, and two 366 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 5: former MVPs and Mookie Betts and Freddie Freeman, who are 367 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 5: the first pair of Dodgers' teammates to each have sixty 368 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 5: extra base hits through one hundred and ten team games 369 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 5: since Babe Herman and Johnny Frederick in nineteen twenty nine. 370 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 5: All choices are great ones. Acunya has over fifty steals 371 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 5: and is closing in on thirty bombs. Mookie Betts is 372 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 5: a stud Olson almost has one hundred RBI. Freeman is 373 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 5: third in batting average and ops. So I see a 374 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 5: fracture of votes as fans have their favorites, and any 375 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 5: of these guys would be a great choice. There's not 376 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 5: a strong enough fifth candidate to rise up and capitalize 377 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 5: on his split votes. So I'd say the last few 378 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 5: weeks of the season will probably decide it. We've had 379 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 5: some very close MVP races over the years, decided by 380 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 5: one or two votes. We even had a tie with 381 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 5: Willie Stodgele and Keith Hernandez in the National League in 382 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 5: nineteen seventy nine. But this year has a chance to 383 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 5: be the tightest race between as many as four legit candidates, 384 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 5: and that would be somewhat unprecedented. 385 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: It's time for the pocket protector centrum. The analytic numbers 386 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: you need to know? 387 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 2: Well, maybe Anthony Masterson is his name, BS analytics is 388 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 2: his game. 389 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 3: What do you got for me, Anthony? 390 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 6: The Atlanta Braves are far and away in baseball's best 391 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 6: team for pretty much the entire season, and they had 392 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 6: their prodigious offense to think. Not only do they boast 393 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 6: all nine starters with at least ten homers, they have 394 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 6: thirty more diggers in the next team. Their eight to 395 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 6: forty team ops as of August ninth would be the 396 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 6: highest for any NL team since nineteen thirty. But we 397 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 6: can dive deeper than home runs and runs scored these 398 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,360 Speaker 6: days since the stack cast era began in twenty fifteen, 399 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,679 Speaker 6: the Braves are putting on a show as one of 400 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 6: the best offensive teams in the new analytics era. This year, 401 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 6: Atlanta owns a hard hit rate of forty six point 402 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 6: three percent, meaning nearly half of all batted balls the 403 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 6: team puts in play or at ninety five miles an 404 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 6: hour of exit velocity or higher. That mark will be 405 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 6: the best of any team in the stack Cast era 406 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 6: by two full percentage points, or basically the difference between 407 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 6: the second best team on that list and the ninth 408 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 6: on that same end, The Braves have an average exit 409 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 6: velocity of ninety one point three miles per hour this season, 410 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 6: the best of any team in the stack cast era 411 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 6: by point eight miles per hour. That's the difference between 412 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,959 Speaker 6: the second best team and the eighteenth best team on 413 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 6: that list. 414 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 3: Now. 415 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 6: Stat Cast maven Mike Petriello recently posted an article showing 416 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 6: the Braves have only had eight percent of their plate 417 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 6: appearances this season taken by non product hitters or hitters 418 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 6: with the weighted runs created plus below the league average 419 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 6: of one hundred. That's the second lowest number in history, 420 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 6: only behind the World Series champion nineteen eighty four Tigers. 421 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 6: This Braves team is trying to bludgeon their way to 422 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 6: a second title in three years. 423 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,919 Speaker 1: Turn money into more money. Now it's time for betting 424 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: on the basis with Dave Gascott. 425 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 4: Love that money, Love that. 426 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 7: Money, Rob Glad I can be here with you again 427 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 7: as the dog days is. Summer arounding out in October 428 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 7: is certainly on the horizon. Unfortunate won't include the Tampa 429 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 7: Bay Rays. They got another bad blow a few days 430 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 7: ago with Shane McClanahan. 431 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 1: He is done for the season. 432 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 7: He's gonna get a second look, but he could be 433 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 7: done as well for all of twenty twenty four. Dreadful 434 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 7: for them because they had a blistering start. 435 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 3: To the season. 436 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 7: Well that being said, the Angels have also fallen off 437 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 7: the cliff. After the All Star break, They're going to 438 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 7: be in Houston against the Astros. Justin Verlander will start 439 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 7: for Houston. That one so far the season, six and 440 00:22:58,880 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 7: six in the. 441 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 3: Era of three. 442 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 7: This is all for the Astros because the Angels inability. 443 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 7: I'm gonna take Houston to win that contest. Friday Night 444 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 7: in Arizona, nine to forty Easter here in six forty Pacific. 445 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 7: Blake Snell will go for San Diego. He's eight and 446 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 7: eighth this season, but the era has been fantastic at 447 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 7: two sixty one. He has really found a resurgence in 448 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 7: the second half of the season. Ryan Nelson's up against him, 449 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 7: but I'll take San Diego in this matchup against Arizona. 450 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 7: Hard to believe that the Padres still continue to be 451 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 7: under five hundred Rangers and Giants from San Francisco at 452 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 7: Oracle Park. I think this one's gonna be a firefight. 453 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 7: But I'm gonna take John Gray versus Ross Strippling in 454 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 7: that pitching matchup. That's a late time affair on Friday Night. 455 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 7: But Gray so far this season seven to five of 456 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 7: a three seventy two. 457 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: Elray, That's what I got. 458 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 3: Rob. 459 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 1: When Rob was a newspaper columnist, he lived by this motto, 460 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 1: if I'm writing, I'm ripping. Let's bring in a writer 461 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 1: or broadcaster, old or new. 462 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 2: All right, now, let's welcome into the friend of mine 463 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 2: longtime Cleveland Guardians radio play by play man, one of 464 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 2: the best in the business, Tom Hamilton, joining inside the Parker. 465 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 3: Tom, how are you? 466 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 8: I'm great? Rob, great to see you and to hear 467 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 8: you and be with you again. Been a long time, 468 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 8: no doubt. 469 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 3: Man, did you go viral? Man? Did you go viral? 470 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 3: Your call on the big fight. 471 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 2: Between Jose Ramirez and Tim Anderson on Saturday night went 472 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 2: all over the place. I mean, well, you shocked at 473 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 2: the reaction of your call and how people they loved it. 474 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 3: You got so much praise for the call on that. 475 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 8: Well, thank you. And again I've said it countless times, 476 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 8: it's not about me. To me, it was about Jose 477 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 8: Ramirez and why he's so revered because of the way 478 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 8: he sticks up for his teammates. As far as going viral, 479 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 8: I don't do social media. I don't have any of 480 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 8: the social media accounts because if I did, I'm sure 481 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 8: it would have been fired a long time ago. So 482 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 8: I stay out of that world. So I'm never really 483 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:18,360 Speaker 8: cognizant of what's going on until obviously somebody tells you. 484 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 8: So you know, like I say, too many times, you 485 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,959 Speaker 8: say the wrong thing, and I'm certainly guilty of that. 486 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 8: And to me, it was more about hose Da Ramirez, 487 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 8: And quite honestly, I don't think any of us have 488 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,679 Speaker 8: ever seen anything quite like that in baseball where you know, 489 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 8: basically Tim Anderson dropped his glove and squared up, and 490 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 8: I was like, oh, oh. 491 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 2: I'm with you, Tom. I've been covering baseball since nineteen 492 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 2: eighty six. I've never seen that now when you square up. 493 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 2: I've seen fights, you know, we've seen the share of fights, 494 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 2: but never like that. 495 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 3: I do want to say this though, for a lot. 496 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 2: Of the younger broadcast, I mean fans who heard your 497 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 2: call and on the fight, you know, dal Goes Anderson, 498 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 2: I mean it's a play on the George Foreman Joe 499 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 2: Frazier fight and Howard Cosell made that call. 500 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 3: Did that just come right to mind? 501 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 2: I mean, that's a classic call by Howard Cosell, who's 502 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,959 Speaker 2: one of the all time great sports casters. 503 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 3: For younger people listening. 504 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't know why it came to mind. It did, Rob. 505 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 8: It's just one of those things that you're reacting to 506 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 8: the moment. It's instantaneous because you're doing a baseball game, 507 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 8: and there had been nothing ahead of that that would 508 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 8: have made you think there was an undercurrent like we 509 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 8: hadn't had guys getting drilled by pictures on either side 510 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 8: where sometimes you're like, uh, oh, this is this is brewing, 511 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 8: and this could blow up at any minute. No, that 512 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 8: was not the case Saturday night. So it was so unexpected, 513 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 8: so unpredictable, that you just react to the moment. And 514 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 8: uh yeah, I'm I'm sure there was a generation of 515 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 8: fans going, huh so George Foreman doesn't just have a 516 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 8: grill man? Who's Howard Gossel. 517 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 3: It's scary, It is scary. I'll guess this. 518 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 2: Tom Hamilton, a long time Cleveland Guardians and radio voice, 519 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 2: just if you've ever. 520 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 3: Heard him do baseball? 521 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 2: I mean, what a great voice, great energy, so much 522 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,199 Speaker 2: fun to listen to, no doubt about it. And I 523 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 2: know I did hear you talk about Jose Ramirez and 524 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 2: that he's a mild man of guy. You know, this 525 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 2: is not who he is. He apologized, he's reached out 526 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 2: to Tim Anderson. How surprised were you that he wound 527 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 2: up being in fisticuffs? 528 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 8: I was ron until Sunday morning when I was in 529 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 8: our clubhouse, you know, the morning after the Donnie Brook 530 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 8: and then you're talking to players and coaches and trying 531 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 8: to get a little background at to what was this 532 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 8: really all about? Because you knew there was more to 533 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 8: it after it occurred. I just hadn't heard some of 534 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 8: the things that had been going on ahead of time, 535 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 8: and rightfully so, I mean, I'm in the clubhouse every day, 536 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 8: but there were things going on on the field that 537 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 8: had happened the week before in Chicago. There were things 538 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 8: that were continuing to be said, not only in Chicago, 539 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 8: but so much so that the umpire had to tell 540 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 8: Tim Anderson to knock it off on Saturday night before 541 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 8: the actual dust up. So all of that was not 542 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 8: aware of. And then once you hear all of that 543 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 8: and you start putting two and two together, now you 544 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 8: understand why it was because Rob, that's the beauty. And 545 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 8: again we're getting one side of it. You're getting the 546 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 8: Cleveland side of it. I'm sure Tim Anderson and the 547 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 8: White Sox set side of it as well. No one 548 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 8: here is blameless. We always know there are two sides 549 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 8: to every story. So I'm by no means trying to 550 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 8: bury Tim Anderson. But Jose Ramirez is revered in our 551 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 8: clubhouse for how he plays the game. Nobody in the 552 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 8: game plays a harder than Jose Ramirez. And then the 553 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 8: fact that he was really sticking up for two rookies 554 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 8: so in other words, he's not just there as a 555 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 8: teammates so the Superstars, He's there for anybody that's a teammate. 556 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 8: I think that tells you all you need to know 557 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 8: about Jose Ramirez. 558 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 2: Let's move to the Guardians and where they are and 559 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 2: coming into Wednesday four and a half games behind the 560 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 2: division leading Twins and still under five hundred. Just so 561 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 2: many injuries we're pitching. It's a miracle that they're still 562 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 2: in it. Is there any chance that they can get 563 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 2: this thing turned around, because coming into Wednesday had lost 564 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 2: seven of their last ten, But I don't know how 565 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 2: you can, you know, rebound from the loss of so 566 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 2: much pitching. 567 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 8: Yeah, Now you couple that rob with the loss of 568 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 8: Josh Naylor, who's been the cleanup hitter, top five in 569 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 8: the American League in batting average, top five in the 570 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 8: American League in RBIs and the protection behind Jose Ramirez 571 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 8: and Nolan's going to pitch to Jose Ramirez while Josh 572 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 8: Naylor is out with the oblique injury. You know, if 573 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 8: we had Shane Bieber, Tristan McKenzie, and Cal Quantrell healthy, 574 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 8: the trading deadline would have been a whole different story. 575 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 8: For Cleveland. Plus, I also think the standings would be 576 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 8: completely different. But you have a year last year where 577 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 8: it seemed like everything went right and you were the 578 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 8: surprise team arguably in the American League. This year, it's 579 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 8: kind of been one of those years where if it 580 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 8: could go wrong or you could have an injury, they've 581 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 8: had it. And clubs like Cleveland, you know, if you 582 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 8: don't have a two hundred and fifty million dollar payroll, 583 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 8: you've got a very small marchin of air, and you 584 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 8: just can't afford to have that many injuries to critical components. 585 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 8: And for Cleveland, the most critical component of their ball 586 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 8: club is their starting pitching. It's the strength of their club. 587 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 8: They don't hit home runs, they don't score a lot 588 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 8: of runs, but they can win every night because of 589 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 8: starting pitching. I think it's pretty incredible they've hung around 590 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 8: this long with three rookies in the rotation. So to 591 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 8: answer your point, I think it's going to be awfully 592 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 8: difficult to rob. I mean, they have the toughest schedule 593 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 8: left in the American League, and you're not getting Bieber 594 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 8: and McKenzie back until maybe September. Might get cal quantroll 595 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 8: back late in the month of August. So yeah, if 596 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 8: you want me to be honest, I guess you do. 597 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 8: I think it's going to be. I don't want to 598 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 8: say impossible, because again I'm shocked that we're at the 599 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 8: point that. 600 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: We are with all of this. 601 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 8: But I would be done if anybody button Minnesota wins 602 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 8: this division. 603 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 3: No doubt. 604 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 2: His name is Tom Hamilton, one of the best. Love 605 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 2: running into him over all these years in the press box. 606 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 2: Always Tom, Great to see you and we'll talk down 607 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 2: the road. Tom Hamilton of the Cleveland Guardians, one of 608 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 2: the best broadcasts in the business. 609 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 8: You know how I feel about you, Rob. Congratulations. You 610 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 8: know it's not often I get to talk to a 611 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 8: Hall of Famer, So you know, the next time I 612 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 8: see you, I'll kiss the ring because you get that 613 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 8: Hall of Fame ring and it's much deserved and I'm 614 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 8: just happy to be your friend. 615 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 3: Thank you, Tom, you too, Stay well, bye, Rob. 616 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: Now bring in the closer right. Here's why MLB is 617 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,959 Speaker 1: better than the NFL or NBA, and it isn't even close. 618 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 2: Reason number three hundred and ninety nine why Major League 619 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 2: Baseball is better than the NBA. In the NFL, it's 620 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 2: fans connect to the team's broadcasters. Unlike any other sport, 621 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 2: the baseball broadcaster connects with the fans, and I want 622 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 2: to take this moment to give a moment of silence 623 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 2: for a long time Tiger broadcaster, Jim Price, who died 624 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 2: at the age of eighty one on Monday. He was 625 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,719 Speaker 2: a friend of mine. This guy won a World Series 626 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 2: and was a former catcher for the Tigers and always. 627 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:33,959 Speaker 3: Treated me with grace. 628 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 2: Was a really, really good broadcaster who loved the Tigers 629 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 2: but also could call it like he saw it, and 630 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 2: he will be missed. But Jim Price is not unlike 631 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 2: other announcers and their connections to their teams. We know 632 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 2: that in Los Angeles when we lost Vince Gully, the 633 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 2: outpouring of support and love for a guy who also 634 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 2: came with the team from Brooklyn to Los Angeles. When 635 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 2: I first went to my first ever Dodger game, I 636 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 2: remember the radio people had portable radios in the stands 637 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:18,399 Speaker 2: listening to Vince Scully at the game. That's how much 638 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 2: broadcasters mean to a team. John Sterling with the Yankees, 639 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 2: we don't know how many more years we have left 640 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 2: with John Sterling as far as being the lead broadcaster 641 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 2: on the radio, but he becomes a part of the organization. 642 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 2: Marty Brennerman, who retired in Cincinnati, another one, just a 643 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 2: legendary broadcaster. 644 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 3: They're all over baseball. 645 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,279 Speaker 2: I don't think you have that in the NBA, and 646 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 2: you don't have that in the NFL nearly as much 647 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,879 Speaker 2: as you have in baseball. And that's the connection fans 648 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 2: and they're broadcasters. 649 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 3: It's a lovely thing. 650 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,399 Speaker 2: In the words of New York TV legend the late 651 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 2: Bill Jorgensen, thanking you for your time this time until 652 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 2: next time. 653 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,320 Speaker 3: Rob Parker out d can't Gavin. 654 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,240 Speaker 1: This could be an inside of Parker. 655 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 2: See you next week, same bat time, same Matt station.