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Speaker 2: The World's a pigeon podcas.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 3: It's faith in the booth. Because Matt Morrel is on vacation,

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Speaker 3: probably had some Marvel cosplay convention.

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Speaker 4: Trying to yell at people.

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Speaker 3: All right, social media manager, he said, you know, why

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Speaker 3: don't we dress up for all our road games? So

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Speaker 3: when we go to Dallas where Cowboy has what are

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Speaker 3: you talking about? So he's become cosplay parents and.

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Speaker 4: We don't have to make a rash decision, I mean, and.

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Speaker 3: He just he can't help us. Just after we had

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Speaker 3: one of our listeners right and say, hey, thanks for

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Speaker 3: not swearing because I have kid. You don't think that

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Speaker 3: they have all the info.

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Speaker 5: Now, but I think they had all the info from

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Speaker 5: his side, no, no b eight days after it hell,

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Speaker 5: but they decided to let it play out.

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Speaker 3: But you don't think that they have all the info.

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Speaker 4: That is, yes, I think they have all the info. Okay,

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Speaker 4: I don't think any.

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Speaker 3: Of its positive. That's my next question.

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Speaker 4: You're just waiting it out.

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Speaker 6: Well, do you let me finish geez, I hate the

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Speaker 6: Raiders for the tuck rule. The rule was correctly called, like,

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Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I know what you want to do, throw

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Speaker 6: away the rule book.

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Speaker 1: I guess this is Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 3: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It's Thursday here at

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Speaker 3: ji Let's Stadium, and it's Deuce, it's Alex, it's Evan,

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Speaker 3: that's right. I got messed up because I said Alex,

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Speaker 3: and I started thinking about Alex Barth and then I said, well,

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Speaker 3: Evan's here Barthibion.

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Speaker 4: Later for Catch twenty he was.

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Speaker 3: And uh, Matt is back in the booth, fresh from

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Speaker 3: Sesame Street place where Sesame Place in Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 4: All the way to Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 7: Brought you down there, Yeah, big bird, the kids it

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Speaker 7: was the last year they could do it.

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Speaker 3: So I never knew there was such a place.

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Speaker 4: I went there when I was a kid.

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Speaker 3: It thirty fourth Street in New York. I didn't know

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Speaker 3: that there was an actual sesame place.

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Speaker 4: It was your favorite Sesame character. It was the Count.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Count.

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Speaker 4: I like that guy.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's my.

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Speaker 4: Guy, Cookie Monster Cookie Monster Shocker.

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Speaker 3: That's like real life.

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Speaker 6: I like that.

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Speaker 8: In the trash, the trash can right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, me too, just grumpy all the time. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: someone we know.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, we're here and uh, yesterday Mac Jones had his

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Speaker 3: event with Noble here at the field House.

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Speaker 5: Threw the ball over some mountains I think, yeah in

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Speaker 5: one of those videos and well, you guys were there.

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Speaker 3: Tell us there'll be stuff going up on Patriots dot

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Speaker 3: com today. So you know. It was what you call,

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Speaker 3: you know, just a feel good type of van with

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Speaker 8: It was like thirty kids private event.

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Speaker 9: They got to do some drills to the ball around

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Speaker 9: with Mac.

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Speaker 3: It was fun. Some people got to meet Mac.

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Speaker 9: Evan had his first Evan met the community relations team

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Speaker 9: for the first time yesterday.

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Speaker 6: That's true.

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Speaker 4: He's a football guy.

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Speaker 9: These people sit, they sit, they share a cube section

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Speaker 6: I don't know why this is so surprising to you.

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Speaker 8: Evan worked here a year. He met Donna for.

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Speaker 6: The absolutely no offense to anybody. They do a great,

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Speaker 6: great job. I mean that sincerely. Why would we be

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's football trying to work where to help people.

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Speaker 3: Mean, it's like being social.

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Speaker 8: They're on our floor.

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Speaker 3: Like, hey, how you doing.

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Speaker 4: You know, so I have filmed to study. I don't

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Speaker 9: So the girls that work on Donna's team, Hannah Andrea,

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Speaker 9: they're all there too. So I'm like, you, guys, can

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Speaker 9: you believe Evan just met Donna today? Like I was

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Speaker 9: joking about it, and they were just like awkwardly quiet,

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Speaker 6: Have you met Evan?

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Speaker 5: Donn is one of the most interesting people it works here.

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Speaker 5: I mean, she's amazing. I just found out she went skydiving.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know, all the players know her.

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Speaker 4: Love her. Yeah she does, I mean the best things.

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Speaker 6: It was great to obviously that I leave the CR

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Speaker 6: Mac in that light too. I think it definitely if

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Speaker 6: him a brat and call him all these things because

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Speaker 6: of how he how he conducted himself last year, if

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Speaker 6: is truly like and what he's like as a human being.

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Speaker 6: I mean the kids, the kids ate it up like

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Speaker 3: But more importantly, you seem to have something going on

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Speaker 6: He picked you out of a crowd of hundreds hundreds

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Speaker 6: is like five of us? Oh, I'm not telling this

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Speaker 8: There's a big group.

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Speaker 4: I got Alex to come on the show.

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Speaker 8: There's a big group of us that I know.

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Speaker 9: I had a big deadline with my magazine story.

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Speaker 8: But this is important.

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Speaker 6: I think ragging on me is more.

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Speaker 8: Not even ragging.

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Speaker 9: I think that you had a great life moment, and

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Speaker 9: I knew you were too humble to tell everyone else

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Speaker 9: So I finish up my interview with Mac for this

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Speaker 9: nice little piece about him playing with all these kids whatever,

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Speaker 9: and then the social team gets him to do a

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Speaker 9: Y MCA staff Evans talked behind all of it.

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Speaker 6: I was shadowing, like I wasn't trying to get in

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Speaker 9: Just for the record, So maxys by to all of

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Speaker 8: His weight walk away.

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Speaker 9: Sees Evan behind some people and goes, oh, Evan, what's

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Speaker 8: And Evan's like, oh good, how are you?

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Speaker 8: They shake hands, dap each other up whatever. Evan's like,

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Speaker 8: I'm great, how are you?

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Speaker 9: And mac Os something to the extent of just itching

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Speaker 9: to get back out there, babe.

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Speaker 8: I think Evan was just dropped.

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Speaker 6: He dropped it.

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Speaker 3: That tells me that you have some type of prior

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Speaker 6: Well, so I think this really start. This really started

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Speaker 6: on Fridays. Usually he does his presser and and asking

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Speaker 6: he kinda was like, oh, wow, you you you watch

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Speaker 3: But here's the lesson to anyone who is working a

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Speaker 3: show up, come to every press conference, go to every

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Speaker 3: will get to know you. They're not robots, they're like us.

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Speaker 3: If you with them, you would know who's in the

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Speaker 9: And that's one thing about Mike Reese, like those community

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Speaker 9: events are not beneath him.

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Speaker 8: He's at most and that's each other.

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Speaker 3: That's sometimes those side conversations is where you get the

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Speaker 3: real job.

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Speaker 8: You see him work in. You knows what he's doing.

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Speaker 8: She's a bro.

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Speaker 9: He knows what he's doing, and he's one of the best.

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Speaker 3: But show up, show up when you have a chance.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Alex told me about this event for what like

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Speaker 6: and I'm not going to look like Mike Reese's was

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Speaker 6: not just about football. You know, Mike Reese doesn't show

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Speaker 6: up to these events to get x's and o's breakdowns

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Speaker 6: you know, there was one little football thing though from yesterday,

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Speaker 6: the throw yesterday if you want to go check it out.

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Speaker 6: Mac threw probably like a sixty yard dime to some kid,

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Speaker 6: like some like fourteen year old kid made like a

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Speaker 6: yeah some muscle. Yeah, and he looks like he's ready

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Speaker 6: he was like, you know, ready to go, and uh,

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Speaker 6: And but uh, when he said, let you know, I'm ready,

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Speaker 5: What you said about it too, is just like I

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Speaker 5: forget how you put it, but you just, you know,

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Speaker 3: Any other I mean, nothing new on the Hopkins thing

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Speaker 4: All quiet I did catch Hopkins was on Family Feud

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Speaker 5: Like you asked a hundred studio audience members from family

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Speaker 4: No, I had psychological warfare for my sisters. That was

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Speaker 4: The Jets are going to be on Hard Knocks. I

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Speaker 3: That's the second time they've been on Hard Knocks.

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Speaker 6: That was the hard Knocks. That was that was Hard

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Speaker 4: It was my favorite time of the Jets as a Patriots.

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Speaker 5: Right, it makes you mad, like the kiss the rings

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Speaker 4: That's not one of the Super Bowls that people lament.

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Speaker 5: his mind, like I know, what is how his career went,

449
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Speaker 5: But for that one game he was lights out and

450
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Speaker 5: that was Yeah.

451
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Speaker 3: I do think that, you know, we make fun of

452
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Speaker 3: Rex Ryan's he's kind of a clown and that's kind

453
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Speaker 3: of his stick. But I think as a head coach

454
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Speaker 3: he was a good motivator I think guys wanted to

455
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Speaker 3: play for him, and I think he got guys ready

456
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Speaker 3: to go, and I think he knews defense. I think

457
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Speaker 3: he knew he was a good defensive coordinator.

458
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Speaker 5: I mean it was blood, I mean, was that was

459
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Speaker 5: that Jets little thing that was the closest anybody got

460
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Speaker 5: in the AFC actually threatening the Patriots over the twenty

461
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Speaker 5: I mean, you know they beat him in a nine

462
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Speaker 5: and ten and in the playoffs in ten.

463
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Speaker 4: I mean it's not a lot of.

464
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Speaker 3: You were worried there. You were like, uh oh, this

465
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Speaker 3: could be a rivalry, right, we could be you know,

466
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Speaker 3: seeing this again. And then he goes to Buffalo and

467
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Speaker 3: he tried to do it there.

468
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Speaker 5: But you know there were some overtime games too, I

469
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Speaker 5: think against the Jets near the Ende mean and the

470
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Speaker 5: bucket happened too.

471
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Speaker 6: Rex Ryan when they had Gito and he was in overtimes.

472
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Speaker 4: Where I get gray about where did they where did

473
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Speaker 4: he leave?

474
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Speaker 6: And then I guess it came in hindsight. You you

475
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Speaker 6: kind of saw him flaming out coming just because of

476
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Speaker 6: how much of a personality he was, Like how long

477
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Speaker 6: could that really go on in a lock?

478
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Speaker 3: Well that's what happened in Buffalo. I think that team

479
00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,760
Speaker 3: was undisciplined and they would make some really bad mistakes.

480
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Speaker 3: And I think the trickle down from the head coach,

481
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Speaker 3: you know, I think it was just they were just

482
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Speaker 3: too you know, well those.

483
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Speaker 5: Two Patriots games, you know, kind of sum up the

484
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Speaker 5: experience where it's like the one hand, they came in

485
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Speaker 5: here and got their doors blown off, but yet they

486
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Speaker 5: were still able to turn it around forget about it,

487
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Speaker 5: and you know, execute a perfect game plan.

488
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Speaker 4: That was Welkoer getting benched too right early on Walker

489
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Speaker 4: got bench for.

490
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Speaker 6: Yeah, that was that was just funny.

491
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Speaker 3: So now they have Aaron Rodgers and they'll be on

492
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Speaker 3: Hard Knocks. So we'll see.

493
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Speaker 5: I mean Amon Rodgers must see TV with him. I

494
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Speaker 5: mean that's won't oh man, I think I have to.

495
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Speaker 6: I think Hard Knocks to me has on really far downhill.

496
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,840
Speaker 6: I think the main reason being that teams are so

497
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,000
Speaker 6: paranoid that something is going to get out there that's

498
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Speaker 6: going to be a competitive disadvantage that now it's just

499
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Speaker 6: completely stripped down to the.

500
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Speaker 4: That's the stuff I would live Ford was.

501
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Speaker 5: You know when you get the camera like this one

502
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Speaker 5: up here, you know, in the room, and you'd see

503
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Speaker 5: kind of the wide angle and like the coach would

504
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,359
Speaker 5: have to cut somebody or the coaches were talking about

505
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Speaker 5: their position groups and what they were getting out of guys,

506
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Speaker 5: and I love that stuff. But now you get more

507
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Speaker 5: of like meanwhile at home, this is what's going on,

508
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Speaker 5: you know, and you're following, like the families, like what

509
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Speaker 5: they're doing during cam.

510
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Speaker 6: You know, there was a few years ago, I think

511
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Speaker 6: it was JJ Watt said that he like picked up

512
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Speaker 6: like a snap count cadence by watching Hard Knocks, and

513
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Speaker 6: ever since that happened, it's been watered down completely from

514
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Speaker 6: a football.

515
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Speaker 4: Well that's why.

516
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Speaker 5: I mean, Tommy Kerrn said, you know, if the Patriots

517
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Speaker 5: were to not make the playoffs this year, that they

518
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Speaker 5: could be forced candidates for Hard Coming, how much would

519
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Speaker 5: Bill Belichick try to resist that one?

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Speaker 3: That would be the year he resigned.

521
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Speaker 5: I mean, and I mean it's fascinating. We know, we

522
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Speaker 5: know what it's like here, you know, having to to.

523
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Speaker 4: Work with them.

524
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Speaker 5: I mean, what what what kind of freedom do NFL

525
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Speaker 5: films producers have.

526
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Speaker 4: To just we have to produce a show.

527
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Speaker 3: Nothing.

528
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Speaker 4: We're on a schedule.

529
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Speaker 3: The Patriots social media.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the show has to air Wednesday night and they

531
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Speaker 5: they need to know.

532
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Speaker 4: So I mean it's it would be a dicey it

533
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Speaker 4: would be really dicey. It'll be really dicey with how

534
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Speaker 4: they like to run things. I just I don't thinking

535
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Speaker 4: a TV show like that.

536
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Speaker 6: I don't think h or Max. It's not HBO anymore, right,

537
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Speaker 6: it's Max. I don't think they want any part of

538
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Speaker 6: the Patriots, Like I know that from a numbers perspective,

539
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Speaker 6: that might might break the bank to have Bill Belichick

540
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Speaker 6: on Hard Knocks. But at the same time, like we know,

541
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Speaker 6: like you can find out an hour before practice that

542
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Speaker 6: something else is going on that you know that you

543
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Speaker 6: don't normally think would happen on that day or something

544
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Speaker 6: like that, and and just the logistical nightmare, and they

545
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Speaker 6: would do it on purpose. We know that.

546
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah.

547
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Speaker 5: I mean I've worked in like two industries and I

548
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 5: think that they're the most logistical nightmare industries. I mean,

549
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 5: between football and production, Like there are just two things

550
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Speaker 5: that are can drag on forever.

551
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Speaker 4: You never know exactly whether they're coming or going, you.

552
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 3: Know how like some some teams have that you know,

553
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Speaker 3: guy that keeps the coach from running on the field,

554
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Speaker 3: like the keep back. They would have the stand in

555
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Speaker 3: front of the camera guy, So they would have a

556
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Speaker 3: guy whose back would be to the camera the whole time.

557
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Speaker 4: Just get some big former offensive lineman. Just let him

558
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Speaker 4: kind of like park it in front of their security.

559
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Speaker 9: Guy, the security guys Brian and stuff, just like, oh, nope,

560
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Speaker 9: you can't go across that line.

561
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Speaker 8: Nope, you can't go over there.

562
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Speaker 9: Gosh, the whole the whole hard knocks would be like

563
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Speaker 9: three angles.

564
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Speaker 4: It would it would all be warm ups and stretching.

565
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Speaker 3: It would turn into like the boyd the Dog Show.

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Speaker 3: You know, that would be the only interesting.

567
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Speaker 4: They'd be following us around.

568
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Speaker 8: That's what it would be. The hard knocks of the

569
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Speaker 8: social team trying to do it. Football up.

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Speaker 4: How do you guys do this?

571
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Speaker 8: Yeah? Same, Yeah, we get it.

572
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Speaker 3: Neil Perry dressed up like a cowboy.

573
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Speaker 8: That's a real thing.

574
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Speaker 3: He really of all people want serious.

575
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Speaker 6: I got it.

576
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Speaker 3: He was like, you know, when we travel, we should

577
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Speaker 3: dress up.

578
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Speaker 9: Yeah, but like, okay, you travel and dress up for Dallas,

579
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Speaker 9: but like what.

580
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 3: About normal Miami was all white.

581
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Speaker 8: All white linen, human chain.

582
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Speaker 5: I get that that Denver was going to kind of

583
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Speaker 5: be cowboys Vegas.

584
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Speaker 3: You're gonna dress like Elvis Elvis's Pirates.

585
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's funny coming from Neil of all people, because.

586
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Speaker 8: How do we dress in New York?

587
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Speaker 3: He's a secret cosplay guy.

588
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Speaker 5: Well, and the way that it all started too was

589
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Speaker 5: like he said he was going on vacation in Montana,

590
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Speaker 5: so you're going to dress up.

591
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Speaker 4: Like a cowboy. And he's like, well and you could.

592
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Speaker 5: I'm like, there's something here, Like he's kind of hesitated

593
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Speaker 5: for a second. He's like, well, like I got the hats,

594
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Speaker 5: I'm trying to get all the guys to wear it.

595
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Speaker 5: And then so then I started doing your thing where

596
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Speaker 5: it's like, what about like Chaps.

597
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Speaker 8: Is he on a bachelor party?

598
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 4: No, it's just cowboy.

599
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Speaker 8: Does he want his friends to dress up?

600
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Speaker 3: I'm telling you this side of him that you don't know.

601
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Speaker 4: This is. I'm like, will there be a leather vest

602
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Speaker 4: with nothing underneath.

603
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 3: Just bikini briefs or something.

604
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Speaker 6: I Actually I would sit next to Neil quite a

605
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Speaker 6: bit on our trips and traveling with Neil is the time,

606
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Speaker 6: it's it's candy.

607
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Speaker 8: He comes out of his shelf.

608
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Speaker 6: He is thriving Neil. Neil on the road is is

609
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Speaker 6: peak Neil like that that's he's.

610
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Speaker 5: Been developing to a no socks character for the show

611
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Speaker 5: where everyone kind of knows we talk about one guy.

612
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Speaker 4: They don't know exactly who he is, but.

613
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Speaker 5: Yeah, funny, we'll see what he comes back, comes back looking.

614
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Speaker 3: Like oh boy, hopefully comes back anyway.

615
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Speaker 9: All right, Paul to Paul Texans last weekend from a

616
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Speaker 9: bachelor party, like why are you at a bachelor party?

617
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Speaker 4: Came on or something. Yeah, he was the first person.

618
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Speaker 8: Everyone was very impressed with his wrapping skills. He had

619
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Speaker 8: to tell me. It's like, what are you doing?

620
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Speaker 3: Bought him a little at a lot of diet Millers.

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Speaker 3: Right now, all right, eight five five pass five hundred

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Speaker 3: is the ACE ticket houtline web radio at patriot dot

623
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Speaker 3: com is the email addressed. There is some NFL news

624
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Speaker 3: with Dan Snyder. That thing's not done yet.

625
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Speaker 5: It sounds like John John's gonna go nuclear on the

626
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Speaker 5: whole situation or something.

627
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,479
Speaker 3: So that that situation they said it could hold up

628
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Speaker 3: the actual sale up to this guy, you know, it

629
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Speaker 3: could complicate it. Oh my gosh.

630
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well see what John Cruden's got up his sleeve.

631
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Speaker 4: I'm sure that's good.

632
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Speaker 3: That was another seth Workersham Dan Vanatta thing and then

633
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Speaker 3: I saw on Twitter today Dan Vanada kinda you know,

634
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 3: taking shots at Pro Football Talk really, you know, using sources,

635
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Speaker 3: and you know.

636
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Speaker 5: Pro Football Talk has been annoying me generally, just because

637
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Speaker 5: it feels like he goes through and he just digs

638
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 5: up stuff from the off season about the Patriots and

639
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 5: then posted as if it's new information. And he's done

640
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Speaker 5: a couple of times the last two weekends where I'm like.

641
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Speaker 4: Why why aren't clicks?

642
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Speaker 6: He had a headline about Damion Harris had a press

643
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Speaker 6: conference in Buffalo, and Damion Harris said that it was

644
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 6: rocky from the Star in New England. But if you

645
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 6: listen to the full quote talking about injuries that he

646
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 6: you know, he dealt with a ton of injuries with

647
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Speaker 6: the Patriots, and so it was he had said.

648
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 5: I was misled the same way he said, like, oh gosh,

649
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 5: what is he gonna say some beats. No, he's just

650
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 5: saying that he never really got on track here and

651
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 5: that he was hurt alone.

652
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 6: Right right, He had nothing to do with the organization

653
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Speaker 6: or with Belichick or anything like that.

654
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Speaker 5: Well, then the other one we were talking about, which

655
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 5: came up twice today, was was the violin thing. And

656
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 5: then somebody like Agrigor what's his name? The fake person

657
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 5: who bro Bile bro Bible's guy. So he writes it

658
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 5: like Belichick's friends are worried that that was.

659
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Speaker 6: The line Involan say nothing. I read Volan's column to

660
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Speaker 6: see what the heck this was all about, and there

661
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 6: is like a throwaway line after a long paragraph where

662
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Speaker 6: he claims that Belichick's people close to Belichick are worried

663
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 6: about Belichick's long term job security. And I'm just thinking

664
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 6: to myself, friends of Bell, like who who is friends

665
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 6: with Bill Belichick? That's gonna go? And like you think

666
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 6: Nick Saban's picking up a phone and calling Ben Vollen.

667
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 3: It's it's Jimmy Johnson, Right, it's Nick Saban, It's Tom uh.

668
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 6: L to Matt Patricia, Yeah, I mean like his buddies.

669
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Speaker 3: Would these people be Mike Mike Lombardi could be one.

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Speaker 6: But it's also like there's a difference, And this is

671
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Speaker 6: the part that I think you get into the weeds

672
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Speaker 6: a little bit. There's a difference between Mike Lombardi from

673
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Speaker 6: a media perspective, looking and giving an opinion and then

674
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Speaker 6: actually saying that I talked to Bill and Bill is

675
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Speaker 6: the next.

676
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Speaker 3: Door neighbor and wherever he lives.

677
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Speaker 8: You know, the clicks are hard to come by.

678
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Speaker 5: No, I just it's an it's frustrating when things are

679
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 5: you feel like kind of being manufactured a little bit,

680
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 5: specifically about the patriots, like we got them going on,

681
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 5: Like do we really need to like rehash every negative.

682
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 3: Story from one thing? I think is what about this

683
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 3: whole thing going on on the Twitter with you know

684
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Speaker 3: that is something?

685
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Speaker 4: What do you do did you?

686
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Speaker 5: I mean, it's it takes real talent to come off

687
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 5: like a total d bag on Twitter generally, like just

688
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 5: like why do you use Twitter just to go.

689
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 9: And like talk crap about people like and you can

690
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 9: like make the comment about the New York media and

691
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Speaker 9: maybe inflating people's careers without.

692
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Speaker 3: Sauce Gardnerdrell res is other than Dion Sanders. He might

693
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 3: be one of the best, you know, uh cover corners. Ever,

694
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Speaker 3: I mean, he was uncanny the way he could stick

695
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Speaker 3: with guys.

696
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Speaker 6: I think that Darrell and Sauce are in two very

697
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 6: different categories here. So if his comment from if his

698
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 6: comment was to attack, was to bring revis into it,

699
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 6: then completely ridiculous. What he said about Sauce has some merit,

700
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Speaker 6: like I'm just gonna be honest, and I know that

701
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Speaker 6: that's gonna come off as like a Patriots honk take,

702
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 6: but like what done. It's one year, It's one year

703
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 6: in a really cornerback friendly system, like let's let's give

704
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 6: it some time and see. I think saw It is

705
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 6: going to be a really good player for a long time.

706
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Speaker 6: But I do think that the hype is a little

707
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 6: bit like out of control. I think this all started

708
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Speaker 6: from Jeremy Fowler's positional rankings thing that had Sauce as

709
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 6: like the number two corner in football already, and I

710
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 6: think Patrick Surtan was number one and Sauce was number two,

711
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 6: And so Samuel was just kind of saying like there's

712
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Speaker 6: one year and a really good defense, like like, let's

713
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Speaker 6: some of these other guys that have been around the

714
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Speaker 6: block a few times that that have been doing this

715
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Speaker 6: for four or five, six years, Like those guys aren't

716
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Speaker 6: as good as a second year corner, Like I call it.

717
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Speaker 3: Him for now.

718
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Speaker 5: I didn't know if seven I know, I didn't know

719
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Speaker 5: if that reply was real, but I mean that's the

720
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 5: dance that Asante Samuel does on Twitter. He comes out

721
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Speaker 5: and he attacks Bill and then a bunch of Patriot

722
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Speaker 5: fans come after him with screenshots of Super Bowl forty

723
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Speaker 5: two and the ball going off his hands.

724
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Speaker 3: This wasn't a rest. I thought it was fake, but

725
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 3: I revis ended up taking it down, I think. But

726
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Speaker 3: I mean it's funny how like you think other team

727
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 3: other players on other teams don't pay attention to those

728
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 3: things that are like lore in Patriots Nation. But like, yeah,

729
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 3: other players know that he had a chance to end

730
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Speaker 3: that Super Bowl and seal the perfect season. He didn't

731
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Speaker 3: do it.

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Speaker 5: I'd love to I wish I could hear Paul's what

733
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Speaker 5: his kind of opinion is of Samuel was just as

734
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Speaker 5: he developed here. I mean, he was always a ball

735
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 5: ball like he's a ballhawk. I mean he just made

736
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 5: plays on that. I mean, it's a different defense now

737
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Speaker 5: what they play like. I don't think he'd be the

738
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Speaker 5: same guy here that he was then, But I don't

739
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 5: think there's any arguing that the guy had an innate

740
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Speaker 5: sense of he was going to break on the player.

741
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Speaker 3: But he's not a Hall of Famer, and you know,

742
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Speaker 3: he's not one of the greatest cornerbacks ever.

743
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Speaker 6: He's not gonna conflicted on Sante Samuel's whole his whole

744
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Speaker 6: persona because in this instance, Reeves was going to bat

745
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Speaker 6: for a jet. He had nothing even do with the Patriots.

746
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 6: It became about the Patrio Riots when they brought up

747
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 6: the seven Super Bowl, but it wasn't. I get why

748
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 6: Patriots fans are like, get him Revius because Santa Samuel

749
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 6: takes his shots at Belichick all the time, which is

750
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Speaker 6: totally fair, but Revis was defending a jet like he

751
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 6: was Team Jets on this one. So I kind of

752
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 6: feel a little bit like, I don't know if this

753
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 6: is really a win for Patriots fans that Revis was

754
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 6: like given to Santa Samuel to business. But I feel

755
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Speaker 6: like I'm conflicted with the Sante as a player too,

756
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 6: because I loved watching him play and he was a really,

757
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 6: really good corner. But now post career, obviously he's turned

758
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 6: into kind of a town.

759
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Speaker 5: And it stuns pretty good, right, I mean, he's got

760
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Speaker 5: drafted last year.

761
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Speaker 6: Yeah, And I don't blame like the Ose seven Super Bowl,

762
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Speaker 6: Like obviously he had to pick go through his hands

763
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 6: that could have ended the game, but a million things

764
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Speaker 6: could have changed in that game that the Patriots would

765
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Speaker 6: have won. So it's it's.

766
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Speaker 5: So funny, like Evan, I mean, you know that game

767
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 5: cut me like no game before it.

768
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Speaker 4: And yet I still never really like was lamenting a

769
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 4: Sante Samuel's drop like I I didn't. It wasn't like

770
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Speaker 4: oh right, Like I don't know, It's just it looks.

771
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Speaker 3: Like more so not bringing down Eli when you had

772
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Speaker 3: that chance, you hear that.

773
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Speaker 9: Name, What did you think of? What you mean when

774
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Speaker 9: you hear Sante's name?

775
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Speaker 4: Because that's what I well, I'm not that play. I

776
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 4: don't not for me.

777
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Speaker 3: More so, that is the night before the super Bowl

778
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 3: walking around like I'm going to be a free agent.

779
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 3: I'm going to get my money, and it's like it's

780
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Speaker 3: the night before the super Bowl. Can we just wait

781
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 3: a couple of days before you start talking about being

782
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Speaker 3: a free agent? I know, I think.

783
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Speaker 5: I think more about the six AFC Championship when he

784
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 5: had to pick six before halftime. That was like, oh

785
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 5: my gosh, we're going to knock the Colts off in

786
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 5: Indy like that at halftime you thought you were sailing.

787
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Speaker 5: I don't know, just you know, you watch the game

788
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 5: and certain things stick with you, certain things don't.

789
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Speaker 4: I mean, I always there's a you.

790
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Speaker 5: Know, a famous story out there that that Rodney Harrison

791
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Speaker 5: has told that they were you know, that they had

792
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Speaker 5: a zero blitz on and that they were trying to

793
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Speaker 5: get get out of it, and Junior say.

794
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Speaker 4: I was like, run it, run it, run it.

795
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Speaker 5: And you know, Eli's house was stuck on an island

796
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 5: against you know, a giant.

797
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 4: Receiver that he couldn't cover. And that was that.

798
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 5: But there's plenty of things to lament on that game.

799
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Speaker 5: I don't know for whatever reason that was once.

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Speaker 6: That's the thing is like it was one of many

801
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 6: things that went very wrong, and that points I mean,

802
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 6: you know it was it was it was an easy catch.

803
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 6: In hindsight, we can all like you can sit here

804
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 6: on the radio and not on the football field with

805
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 6: twenty two other large humans and say it was an

806
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 6: easy catch. But when you watch it back, he's clearly

807
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 6: worried about getting his feet and bounds first. So he's

808
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 6: like trying to get his feet and bounds and then

809
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 6: he looks up to catch the football, and by the

810
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 6: time he looked up to catch the football, it was

811
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 6: already on him. So he had to like really trying

812
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 6: to just kind of throw his hands at it and

813
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 6: hope he picked it off, but it's uh, he gets

814
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Speaker 6: what he deserves on Twitter.

815
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Speaker 4: I So it's just every single time here it comes,

816
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Speaker 4: Oh my god.

817
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Speaker 3: All right, eight past five hundred is the acetick and

818
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 3: hotline web radio at pages dot com. Is email play

819
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 3: to talk about even though it's the dog days. Let's

820
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 3: go to the phones. We'll start with Jim in Virginia.

821
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 3: What's up, Jim, Hey, good after noon.

822
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 10: Fred, Hello, kind of ask your opinion. You know, the

823
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 10: Patriots has got the cap space and de Hawf is

824
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 10: out there. Wouldn't it benefit the Patriots by saying, yeah,

825
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 10: we need to get a number one, just to see

826
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 10: it's a one year deal and to see what.

827
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Speaker 3: Mac Jones can actually do that you don't have to

828
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Speaker 3: go any further, Jim. I'm yes. The answer is yes.

829
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Speaker 3: They should get him. They should get him, and they

830
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,959
Speaker 3: should pay. And even if it's a little bit more

831
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Speaker 3: than Bill's comfortable with, that's the market. Get him and

832
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 3: and let's let's see, you know, for so many reasons,

833
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 3: including the one you mentioned, let's see what Mac can

834
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 3: do with you know, a full arsenal, you know, let's

835
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 3: do it.

836
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Speaker 10: I have one other, one other thing I wanted to

837
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 10: ask you, I said, do you the guys to discuss maybe?

838
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 10: Is I think the defenses in all the AFC teams

839
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 10: are really really good, and I think, you know, it's

840
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 10: going to be a cannibalism of the AFC East and

841
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 10: nobody is guaranteed to be number one here, that these

842
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 10: these teams are all going to get their fish year

843
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 10: of losses. Is that a fair statement?

844
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Speaker 3: You mean by beating each other, it couldn't happen.

845
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 11: Yeah.

846
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

847
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 10: Defensively. Defensively they're so good all Miami's got a great defense,

848
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 10: the Jets have got a great defense, and Buffalo is

849
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 10: still a good defense. And Patriots we expect them to

850
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 10: be really good defense this year. And I think these

851
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 10: defenses are going to beat up on each other and

852
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 10: cause these teams to not be guaranteed anything.

853
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 4: You could be right, I mean I connected. I think

854
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 4: to a tag of Iloa's health is a big part

855
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 4: of that.

856
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 5: Whole equation because I just think they're a completely different team.

857
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 5: Whether he's in there or he's not in there, it

858
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 5: goes from being a contender to not.

859
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 4: And you know, I as much as I like.

860
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 5: These defenses, you know, I'm interested to see, you know,

861
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 5: the new defensive coordinator Miami. But Blake and Nick Gio,

862
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 5: you know, every everyone loves him. So that's an interesting

863
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 5: kind of new twist. So I don't know, it's still

864
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 5: an offensi driven league, you know, And that's like what

865
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 5: to me, it's just going to boil down to how

866
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 5: does It's more about how does Aaron Rodgers mesh into

867
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 5: that offense with the pieces that were existing and the

868
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 5: pieces that he brought with them. Can Josh Allen and

869
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 5: and Stefan Diggs continue to kind of keep things rolling

870
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 5: the way they have? How does you know the kid

871
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 5: that they drafted fit into that situation up there? Is

872
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 5: that give them a new element? But I think the

873
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 5: defenses are fine. But I think to me, it's it's

874
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,919
Speaker 5: about the offenses and who's healthy and who's clicking and but.

875
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 3: That's what's going when you have when you have a

876
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 3: division of good defenses, the best offense will have the

877
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 3: advantage and who's got you know, who can you know

878
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 3: rise above you know these good right?

879
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 12: Well?

880
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 5: The Jets, you know, the Jets offensive score three points

881
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 5: here last year and that game was decided on you know,

882
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 5: the punt return, Like you know, are they gonna just

883
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 5: put up three points of they're in Rodgers anymore or no,

884
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 5: you know, And for as much as we all, you know,

885
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 5: respect the Patriots defense and think that they had a

886
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 5: good year last year, they still haven't beaten two of

887
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 5: they you know, really.

888
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 4: A struggle with Josh Allen.

889
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 5: No matter how much they've spun the dial on him,

890
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 5: they they just can't really seem to, you know, solve

891
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,479
Speaker 5: him consistently or get that last stop.

892
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, we'll see.

893
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 3: Good call Jim good some good observations. I'm on record.

894
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 3: I I've already said it. I think the Patriots will

895
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 3: have a top five defense this year. And I think

896
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 3: that's saying a lot this year because they're gonna be

897
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 3: playing a lot of good quarterbacks. You know, they're gonna

898
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 3: be playing Mahomes, and they'll playing Rogers, and you know,

899
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 3: obviously Josh Allen twice, Rogers twice. They're gonna so to

900
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 3: have a good top five defense this year will be

901
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:47,959
Speaker 3: quite an accomplishment.

902
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've been I just have really discovered next gen stats.

903
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 5: They're portal, they have a whole film thing you can sort.

904
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 4: It's amazing.

905
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 5: So I've just kind of been doing some defensive jump

906
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 5: in review as I want to do sometimes, But I

907
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 5: really have questions with mccordy out you know, I just

908
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 5: not just his I mean, and I think unfortunately he

909
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 5: was kind of dipping a little bit last year. I think,

910
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 5: you know, I don't think that his play was you know,

911
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 5: staying at the level it had been. And I just

912
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 5: I wonder about the communication on the back end, everybody

913
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 5: being on the same page and just that range.

914
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 4: You know, I don't think any of their guys.

915
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 3: How good will Christian Gonzales be in his first year?

916
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 3: That to me answers a lot of questions.

917
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 4: But what's he ready for?

918
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 5: You know, he's twenty one years old, I mean, and

919
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 5: he's no question an amazing athlete.

920
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 3: But and that is he a good enough athlete to

921
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 3: just put him on the other team?

922
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 4: I don't think so.

923
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm not going to get I mean of

924
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 6: him on the number two with the coverage tilted to

925
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:45,439
Speaker 6: number one.

926
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 3: But even if he can do that successfully, that that helps.

927
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 3: That's something that they weren't really able.

928
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 4: To do last His athleticism will know him.

929
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 3: So what I'm getting at is last year, when you

930
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 3: couldn't do something like that, mccordy makes so much more

931
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 3: difference because he's he's telling everywhere to go making because

932
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 3: you really have to scheme it up. If you have

933
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 3: that one guy that can take out one player, you know,

934
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 3: whether it's the one or the two that you know. Okay,

935
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 3: now it's less of a scheme. It's more you can

936
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 3: play a little bit more man to man, you know,

937
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 3: and maybe you don't. Maybe the loss of mccordy isn't

938
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 3: that bad, if Gozalees is that good?

939
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean no, I just think that with mccordy,

940
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 6: you mentioned the range. I'm curious to see schematically if

941
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 6: they do play a little bit more too high shell

942
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 6: this year than they have in the past, because it

943
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 6: just it makes sense, like they have two guys and

944
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 6: Dugger and Phillips, and even if you want to throw

945
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 6: Jabriel Peppers in there that aren't really middle of the

946
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 6: field center fielders like they if you have them playing

947
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,479
Speaker 6: just the half field or even just like a quarter

948
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 6: of the field, it just makes it a lot easier

949
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 6: to mitigate that a little bit. But we saw it

950
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 6: in the spring date. They're gonna want to mix and match,

951
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 6: and they're gonna want to spin the dial and the

952
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 6: the sort of un predictability is what they're going to

953
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 6: hang their hat on. Versus with mccordy. It's always one

954
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 6: high with mccordy in the middle of the field and

955
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 6: you kind of knew what was coming.

956
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 5: But I think that that's a little bit of a

957
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 5: double edged sword in that, you know, it's not as

958
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 5: simple as we all want it to be. Where all right,

959
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 5: Christian Gonzalez will be covering aj Brown today for the

960
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 5: duration of the game. Yeah, Like it's not how they're

961
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 5: going to do it, but you know, from a simplicity standpoint,

962
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 5: that would be great.

963
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 4: Like then free safety doesn't really matter. You know, you're

964
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 4: on that guy.

965
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 5: You're on that guy where they do spin the dial

966
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 5: so much where you do have a rookie kind of

967
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 5: working in, you know, where you don't have that presence

968
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 5: who's kind of been there and seen it all. And

969
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 5: certainly Jonathan Jones is as close as you can get

970
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 5: to mccordy with that. But you know, I just I

971
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 5: just have I still have memories of twenty twelve and

972
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,439
Speaker 5: it was bombs away on them and they played against

973
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 5: Seattle and I was up there in Seattle watching that

974
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 5: game where it was like they got a bunch of

975
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 5: strong safeties right.

976
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 4: Now, and the you mad brogue, you mad bro game,

977
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 4: you know.

978
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 5: So I look, it's all you know, you can work

979
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 5: around everything, and they'll spin the dial and they'll be

980
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 5: able to cover up some of their weaknesses. But I

981
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 5: just you know, I think overall, as you start to

982
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 5: look at right, what are we really working with here

983
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 5: on defense?

984
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 4: Who's really going to get out there and play and contribute?

985
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 5: You know, key On White, I think is just such

986
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 5: a question mark right now with you know, where's he

987
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 5: gonna end up?

988
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 4: What's gonna happen with Lawrence Guy?

989
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 5: How does Keon White fit into this whole defensive situation?

990
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 5: Is he gonna because I you know, I could make

991
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 5: an argument say he's the next Lawrence Guy, get rid

992
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 5: of Laurence, you know, Lawrence Guy. They want more, all right,

993
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 5: He's key On White's going to be, you know, primarily

994
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 5: a hand down defensive end. But you know, the way

995
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 5: that they've been working him, it seems like they have

996
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 5: higher hopes for him. So you know, there are some

997
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 5: new elements to play with. There's a lot of core

998
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 5: still to stick with it, but it's a lot of potential.

999
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of potential.

1000
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 4: But how do they get over that edge? You know,

1001
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 4: how do they get how do they get over the

1002
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 4: edge against the good teams? And you know, and I

1003
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 4: would qualify the Jets is a good.

1004
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 3: Team, so would you. You know, in the past, we've

1005
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 3: called the Patriots defense in many seasons, you know, uh, Ben,

1006
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 3: but don't break. You think you'll see more of that

1007
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 3: this year or less of that this year and they'll

1008
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 3: be more aggressive.

1009
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 5: Well, I just think that that's a general flow that

1010
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 5: they have of the first thing is that we can't

1011
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 5: get beat deep like you just you can't give up

1012
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 5: big guys, and you know, and we'll work back from

1013
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 5: there and yeah, you're gonna maybe give up some you know,

1014
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 5: sub twenty yard plays if you can tackle well, which

1015
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 5: they usually do great. But I don't know, I don't

1016
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 5: really get that vibe as much. I feel like the

1017
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 5: Ben don't break thing was more of a mid twenty

1018
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 5: tens kind of Matt Patricia thing where you know, once

1019
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 5: you got Flores came in, they started getting real aggressive

1020
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 5: with blitzing and you know, not just kind.

1021
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 4: Of are we're gonna run.

1022
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 5: They certainly rush three a lot, they're certainly not on

1023
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 5: always on the aggressive end, but when they do get aggressive,

1024
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 5: I think they get pretty aggressive and they spin the dial,

1025
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 5: and you know, I think that's more of the characteristic

1026
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 5: of the Patriots defense now, is more the multiplicity that

1027
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 5: they have between their safeties and their cornerbacks. And you know,

1028
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 5: you get a few new guys in Marte Mapu, What

1029
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 5: how does that change it?

1030
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 6: What does it look like the aggressives of their defense?

1031
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 6: To me is how Bill feels about the corners, Like

1032
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 6: it's it every single year. You go year to year

1033
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 6: with their blitz rates and like their pressure packages and

1034
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 6: how exotic they get. It all depends on if he

1035
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 6: feels like the corners can hold up. If he doesn't,

1036
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 6: then they're gonna sag off. And like last year down

1037
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 6: the stretch and a lot of those games when they

1038
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 6: started getting banged up at corner and they didn't really

1039
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 6: have that Stefan Gilmore that Tye Law. They played a

1040
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 6: lot of soft zone and they played a lot of

1041
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 6: soft coverage and just beat us by You're gonna march

1042
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 6: down the field and we're gonna bank on on the

1043
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 6: eleventh play of the drive, like you'll make a fatal

1044
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 6: error a turnover, you know, get pushed out a field

1045
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 6: goal range, like something will go wrong for you in

1046
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 6: this series of plays. When they've been truly aggressive is

1047
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 6: when they've had Stefan Gilmour and they have recognized, okay,

1048
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 6: we can blitz man here because we know we have

1049
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 6: the number one corner that can play man to man

1050
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 6: against an aj Brown, that can play Manta man against

1051
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 6: a Tyree kill. Are they gonna be able to do

1052
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 6: that this year? I don't know if Christian Gonzales is

1053
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 6: quite ready for the big time in that respect yet.

1054
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 6: Maybe he will be. I hope he will be. But

1055
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 6: I think that their defense schematic is going to look

1056
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 6: a lot like it has the last couple of years,

1057
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 6: where first and second down is kind of like a

1058
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 6: manage it down, and then third down they get a

1059
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 6: little bit more aggressive, but you're still thinking about the

1060
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 6: big play and trying to make teams march on you,

1061
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 6: which honestly is the whole league, Like, I'm not that's

1062
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 6: not a Patriot thing anymore. Like the entire league plays

1063
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 6: the same defense. It's kind of boring. Like the entire

1064
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 6: league plays zone a lot more zone now they are

1065
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 6: all playing more too high coverages too high shells because

1066
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 6: these offenses are just so darn explosive and the quarterbacks

1067
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 6: are so good that the only thing that teams want

1068
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 6: now is like you have to go fifteen plays on us,

1069
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 6: Like we're not going to give it up in four.

1070
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 6: Like you have to go the ten, twelve, thirteen play

1071
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 6: drives and that's every single DC under the sun now

1072
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 6: is like march on the way with that. Yeah, So Fangio,

1073
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 6: you know, a quarterbased system like four deep across the

1074
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 6: deep part of the field and then everything sort of

1075
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 6: builds off of the four deep structure. But you know,

1076
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 6: the caller I mentioned Miami, and like, throughout my entire

1077
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 6: lifetime with Miami, they've they've always had pretty decent roster talent,

1078
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 6: but they've never been able to actually like have it

1079
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 6: mean anything. And uh, the Fangio hire does worry me

1080
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 6: a little bit because that defense does have a ton

1081
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 6: of talent. It has had a lot of talent even

1082
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 6: before they got Jalen Ramsey, and they just haven't been

1083
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 6: coordinated well. And I know Brian Flores is a good coordinator,

1084
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 6: but he's aggressive, and that means that sometimes it's not

1085
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 6: gonna go your way when you're sending six guys at

1086
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 6: the quarterback all the time, and then last year they

1087
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 6: were they were not well coordinated defense. So Fangio will

1088
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 6: have a system, He'll he'll have game plans like he'll

1089
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 6: he'll have that buttoned up that the talent on the

1090
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 6: roster should be able to do pretty well.

1091
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 3: Let's go back to the ace ticket hutline. Todd's in

1092
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 3: North Carolina, Hate Todd.

1093
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 13: Hey, guys, just a quick question for mats.

1094
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 10: Did it work?

1095
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 3: It worked?

1096
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 6: Hey?

1097
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 4: Thanks for lunch, Todd.

1098
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 3: Oh, thanks for you bought lunch today. Thank you, Todd.

1099
00:46:58,239 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 6: Thanks Toddy.

1100
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 5: We got the caveat Yeah, the PiZZ of time time Cavia.

1101
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 14: The question is if thinking about things, Patriots maybe already

1102
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 14: have this all planned outor they feeling confident in what

1103
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 14: they can do already. That's just the fact that they

1104
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 14: haven't made a move kind of makes me wonder if

1105
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 14: they're like, we got what we got, let's just use it.

1106
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 3: Well. The reports are that there's an offer on the table,

1107
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 3: you know, so if if Hopkins wanted to, he could

1108
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 3: sign it and he could be a Patriot. Obviously, the

1109
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 3: offer isn't one that he can't refuse, you know. That's

1110
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 3: the issue that's frustrating Patriots fans is why not just

1111
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 3: get aggressive?

1112
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 6: And you know what, what if what if Hopkins really

1113
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 6: doesn't want to come here?

1114
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 4: I think it's possible.

1115
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 3: I mean, I think he just doesn't want to say

1116
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 3: it because he likes Bill Belichick. What else? I think?

1117
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 6: I look at this scenario as the Patriots are a

1118
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 6: fallback plan and and nothing more. Yeah, like if they,

1119
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 6: if anybody, if nobody else emerges, then like New England's

1120
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 6: fine option for me. I'll go there and nothing else emerges.

1121
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 6: But the team that I continue to look out for

1122
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 6: is Kansas City, Like if they can get that Chris

1123
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 6: Jones contract extension done and free up some cap space

1124
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 6: and give him like a one year incentive laden deal

1125
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 6: to go play with Mahomes. They don't have really that

1126
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 6: true number two outside of Kelsey right now, like they

1127
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 6: could use it. And I think that he if you're Hopkins, like,

1128
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 6: that's a team that you're hoping is going to free

1129
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 6: up the wiggle room to be able to come and

1130
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 6: get you. I don't think Buffalo is really a true

1131
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 6: a true threat, but I think Kansas City is a

1132
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 6: team that's lurking to try to free up the money,

1133
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 6: and I think if you're Hopkins, you bring it into camp,

1134
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 6: you go a little bit with it, and if come

1135
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 6: mid August nobody else is biting, then then you make

1136
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 6: a decision between the Patriots and the Titans.

1137
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 14: Playing off of that, Andy Hart did a list of

1138
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 14: five five stars going into this year, and the five

1139
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 14: stars seam at the end of the year for this

1140
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 14: team to have been successful, and one of his stars

1141
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 14: was Hopkins. So it's pretty wishful thinking, I think to

1142
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 14: throw that on, but that sounds like a good question

1143
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 14: for you guys, so I hope you'll answer it. I'll

1144
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 14: take it off there.

1145
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 3: Thanks. So basically saying if they don't get Hopkins, they're

1146
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 3: not gonna do it.

1147
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't I don't know if I necessarily agree,

1148
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 5: but I think Mac would have to be on that list.

1149
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 4: I think he would have to be, you know, coming out,

1150
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 4: he's got.

1151
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 5: To play well and probably juju, you know, like, I mean,

1152
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,240
Speaker 5: you got to have a guy, and I think somebody

1153
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 5: has to emerge, and I think he's the best.

1154
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 3: Somebody's got to make up for that production you lost

1155
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:39,760
Speaker 3: with Myers.

1156
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, as much as you've seen Kendrick Borndone

1157
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 5: pull ups. I mean, that is intriguing, I gotta admit,

1158
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 5: but don't started.

1159
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:47,479
Speaker 6: On Jerry Rice.

1160
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,280
Speaker 3: Let's go to Eldred in North Carolina. What's up Eldred.

1161
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 4: URTIs?

1162
00:49:55,400 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 11: Hey, lady, Okay, hey, I'll do it pretty good too,

1163
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 11: kind of optimistic, but I don't know. I feel pretty good.

1164
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 4: I don't know why.

1165
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 11: I want to thank Evan, Evan and Paul, you two

1166
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 11: fraid for last Thursday, But being called out by this

1167
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 11: dude named Brian y'all s would have made my point

1168
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 11: for me, you know, so I hope he was listening.

1169
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 11: I want to go in the IL, right, but I'm

1170
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 11: not gonna go in a rite like that. I'm just

1171
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 11: gonna tell you, son, I'm ex military.

1172
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 10: You come for me, I'll come for.

1173
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 3: You too, all right.

1174
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 11: But if you look at our roster and everybody else

1175
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 11: roster top to bottom, is your roster better than the

1176
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 11: Jet No Dolphins, no Biel, no Cowboys, no all. The

1177
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 11: difference is you got a good head coach. And yes,

1178
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 11: it was Tom Brady for those twenty years.

1179
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, well right now, right now, based on past performance,

1180
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,280
Speaker 3: you're absolutely right. But we're all hoping as Patriots fans

1181
00:50:55,320 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 3: that Osh takes another step, Barmore takes another step, Keon White,

1182
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 3: you know, emerges Gonzales and if all these people do Okay, now,

1183
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you've got a good roster. Yeah

1184
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 3: you don't see it.

1185
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 4: You won't see it, you know.

1186
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well I'm not right. Well, if sh Shuster

1187
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 3: plays well, and if if uh Koseki plays well, and

1188
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 3: if mac Jones plays well, you're like, Okay, now you've

1189
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 3: got a different opinion of the offense, you know, but

1190
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 3: right now you're right based on past performance, it's not

1191
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 3: that good.

1192
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess that's a great way to put it,

1193
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 6: because I hate I hate this game. I hate the like,

1194
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 6: let's look at the roster on July fourteenth and make

1195
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 6: a declaration because injuries happen, guys don't perform up to expectation, like,

1196
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 6: and that could happen here too, I'm not it's everywhere.

1197
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 6: So yeah, in the middle of July, when everybody is

1198
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 6: one hundred percent healthy and on paper what everything looks

1199
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 6: like the Patriots are the last place team in the

1200
00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 6: AFC East, right, But like, I don't give it. Why

1201
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 6: do I care?

1202
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 5: But you know, and so every year a bunch of

1203
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 5: new teams make the playoffs, right, those teams are not

1204
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:06,919
Speaker 5: usually preseason that you say the same thing about them.

1205
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 5: But that's you know, and it goes back to kind

1206
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 5: of the big point that I continue to hammer of just.

1207
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 4: Being the draft.

1208
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 5: It's you know, when you do suddenly find these players

1209
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 5: that are going to emerge that you've drafted, that are

1210
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 5: young players, you don't suddenly see it like, well, we

1211
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 5: know key On White's gonna be awesome, Like Keo White.

1212
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 4: Might just be awesome.

1213
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 5: You know, like that could maybe just happen and you

1214
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 5: don't see it coming. But then all of a sudden,

1215
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 5: all right, now, actually the Patriots has some talent, like

1216
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 5: you know last year when the Jets got you know,

1217
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:31,720
Speaker 5: they've had a good couple of drafts with Garrett Williams

1218
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 5: and uh and and and saw us and you know,

1219
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 5: it's it's it's you.

1220
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 4: Got to start to see those guys play.

1221
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 5: So I think, I mean, I get your point, But

1222
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 5: for me, I want to get into the season and

1223
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 5: start to see some young new faces starting to play

1224
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 5: at at a.

1225
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 3: High, high level.

1226
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 5: You know that that's when you know things are going

1227
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,720
Speaker 5: to turn around. When the young guys start to emerge.

1228
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 6: I also just think, like not to completely take the

1229
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 6: Patriots side in this, but I I think a lot

1230
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 6: of people look at the top of the roster only

1231
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 6: when they do when they think about these things. And

1232
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 6: the Patriots certainly do not have the top of the

1233
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,919
Speaker 6: roster talent that some of these other teams do, even

1234
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 6: in their division, Like they just don't. They don't have

1235
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 6: Stefan Diggs, they don't have Josh Allen, they don't have

1236
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 6: Matt mlana like. They don't have these all pro players

1237
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 6: that Buffalo has, or the Jets have or the Dolphins have.

1238
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 6: But the Patriots roster like twenty through fifty three like that,

1239
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 6: they still have that strong middle class. Now I've talked

1240
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 6: about in the past that I don't I don't think

1241
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 6: that that wins you football games like it did when

1242
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 6: you had Tom Brady. But the middle class does count

1243
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 6: for something like that does just right. And the fact

1244
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 6: is is that they might not have a lot of

1245
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 6: guys that are gonna end up on Jeremy Fowler's position rankings,

1246
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 6: but they might have a lot of guys that are,

1247
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 6: you know, better number three receivers than other team's number

1248
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 6: three receiver or whatever you want to call it.

1249
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like we mentioned a guy like Marty

1250
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 3: Map who, like what if his versatility, versatility is just

1251
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 3: perfect for the NFL, and like he does things that

1252
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 3: even better better than he did in college. Like those

1253
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 3: are the kind of things. Yeah, you need them to happen,

1254
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 3: you can't count on it. But if they do, now,

1255
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,280
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you're thinking a lot differently about

1256
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 3: this team.

1257
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, then there's no direct route. I mean,

1258
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 5: you know, Josh Allen a couple of years, they didn't

1259
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:14,879
Speaker 5: know what they have him.

1260
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 4: You know, some guys do come in and they're amazing

1261
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 4: right off the bat, but it took a while, you know,

1262
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 4: it's it's it takes some time.

1263
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 11: Okay, I'm public for Hopkins, but I'm not. But there's

1264
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 11: a just going a wide receiver, oh Denver, and it's

1265
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 11: not Judy a sudden, would you put a third, second

1266
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 11: round and try to get him and that's your number

1267
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:40,760
Speaker 11: one outside receiver?

1268
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 6: How much better?

1269
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1270
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,280
Speaker 6: How much better is he than Devonte Parker?

1271
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I haven't heard much about him.

1272
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 11: He's pretty good.

1273
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 6: No, he's a good player, Like I mean, but I

1274
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 6: think Parker is an Okay, he's an okay player, and

1275
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 6: I think Parker is an okay player. I just I

1276
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 6: don't know if that one.

1277
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 11: Is younger and I think he's better.

1278
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, maybe, but is he like in a totally different

1279
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 6: tier than DeVante. He's definitely younger, I'll give you that,

1280
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 6: But is.

1281
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 11: He Yeah, but he can run route, got a route.

1282
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 11: But he also got speed and he also can run

1283
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 11: down field a little bit, you know what I mean.

1284
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 6: I just feel like with guys like Courtland Sutton, I

1285
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,919
Speaker 6: just how many of those types of guys do he had?

1286
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 6: Are you gonna have on one football team? You have

1287
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 6: Devonte park or Courtland Sutton, Kendrick Bourne, Juju Smith Schuster.

1288
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 6: It's like, all right, so you got a bunch of

1289
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,879
Speaker 6: number two receivers like cool, Like you know, I just

1290
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 6: I would rather them if they're gonna roll with what

1291
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 6: they have when you rather than give Taekwon the opportunity,

1292
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 6: because that's somebody that has that ceiling that exists that

1293
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 6: maybe if Taekwon turns into that that they visioned him

1294
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 6: turned into when they drafted him, uh, that it's gonna

1295
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 6: be better than Courtland Sutton.

1296
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 3: You know.

1297
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 6: So, I don't know if I really need like another

1298
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 6: another number three, number two guy?

1299
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 3: Thanks, Aldred, thanks for the call. Appreciate it. Uh let's

1300
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 3: go to William and Phelim. What's up? William?

1301
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 13: Hey, what's up? Ford? How you doing?

1302
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 3: All right? You ever been to Sesame place?

1303
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 13: Year when I went real younger?

1304
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, who's your favorite Sesame Street character? William?

1305
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 13: My favorite? Said? Uhh, who I don't.

1306
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:26,800
Speaker 6: I an't have a favorite cookie monster?

1307
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 4: Cookie monster?

1308
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 6: Correct answer?

1309
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 3: You want to know?

1310
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 13: I'm gonna just get right to why why y'all do that?

1311
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 13: At elders Man? I know y'all heard what that man said.

1312
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 6: Seriously, what are you saying?

1313
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,760
Speaker 13: I mean, like y'all Okay, Evan just said and said, Okay,

1314
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 13: do I really want another receiver?

1315
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 10: Of course?

1316
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,760
Speaker 13: Sellman, he's I'm gonna tell you like this, he's better

1317
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 13: to me. He's been in devon King Parker. They might say,

1318
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 13: park can't answer the season, not one. Okay, hold on, Juju,

1319
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 13: youju ain't even a vocal right now. He's gonna be

1320
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 13: on the p us period. He's not ready. He ain't

1321
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 13: even been on the fend. Let's see and yet see

1322
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 13: who's gonna be a training camp? Who is what you're

1323
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 13: gonna see Kenji born Taikwan throwing injured again. He might

1324
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 13: be a bus if he gets injured again, would you

1325
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 13: consider that a bus?

1326
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 4: Thornton probably getting.

1327
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 13: Every year. Y'all always say you said the same thing.

1328
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 13: But let's see what they got.

1329
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 5: What is this?

1330
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 13: What is that aging off? You saw him? What it

1331
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 13: was you saw was what John Smith? You saw what

1332
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 13: it was?

1333
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 6: Okay, so we're not allowed to watch training camp before

1334
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 6: we start trading. Everybody, Like I don't understand Evan Evan

1335
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,479
Speaker 6: Courtland Sutton is gonna come in here and and change

1336
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,919
Speaker 6: and now they're Super Bowl contenders because they have Courtland Sutton.

1337
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 13: Evan is out four seasons in your four seasons in your.

1338
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 6: Boss is no better and Courtland Sutton makes the roster

1339
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 6: a lot better. Like we're not talking about go ahead,

1340
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 6: who's a You got X factors and Courtland Sutton is

1341
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 6: an X factor like you're talking of.

1342
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 4: Like this, this is the whole thing.

1343
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 3: And okay, if it was Jerry Judy, it'd be a different.

1344
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 6: Thing, right, okay.

1345
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 13: And you and you gotta and you gotta what you

1346
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 13: got an injury prone receiver that you paid a couple

1347
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 13: more millions extent for what thirty years over come, Onya.

1348
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 6: I'm just confused. Like I guess loo, I I hear what.

1349
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 13: Elgi's saying and I and I back him up. I

1350
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 13: agree with him. He went, as long as you've got bills,

1351
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 13: your GM, this is what your rock's gonna look like

1352
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 13: every year with me a mess Like, I'll ask you

1353
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 13: this and I'll leave it at that, cause that changed

1354
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 13: because when Elgick got on, that changed everything I wanted

1355
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 13: to say. But I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna ask

1356
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 13: patris on Fils. I'm gonna ask all of you that,

1357
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 13: including Alex all THEO. Okay, if the Patriots don't go

1358
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 13: because it's a big chance that you won't make the playoffs,

1359
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 13: are y'all ready to move on from Bill? Or y'all

1360
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 13: gonna sit there and keep sitting there and try to

1361
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 13: get him another chance to get in this fifth season? Wow,

1362
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 13: what you're gonna do?

1363
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 4: Well, what's it look like? I mean, he can't just

1364
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 4: like they go ohen seventeen or do they go like

1365
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 4: ten and seven and they just miss it?

1366
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 5: Come on, dude, dude, I know you, but there's a

1367
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 5: there's a fine line between missing the playoffs by a

1368
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 5: mile and and just missing out.

1369
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 3: If he's lost, he's lost the team. If they're not

1370
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 3: listening to him, then it's time. I think we'll see.

1371
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 6: I think that there's a there's. I have two different

1372
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 6: I have. I have gripes with with Bill a GM.

1373
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 6: I have no gripes of build a coach like Bill.

1374
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 6: Bill can still coach as good as it like. I'll

1375
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 6: take Bill over the field all day on Sundays. Absolutely,

1376
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 6: there's a there's. It's two different things, William, it's two

1377
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 6: there It's two different jobs. So Bill a GM. I've

1378
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 6: had gripes with for for many many years. At this point,

1379
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 6: he doesn't view the roster building process the same way

1380
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 6: I do. He's the greatest head coach of all time.

1381
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 6: I don't know anything, all right, So maybe he's right,

1382
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 6: But let's not be crazy that narrative.

1383
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 13: And it's four season and this man supposed to be

1384
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 13: the greatest coach of all time, but he can't get

1385
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 13: a super Bowl for the greatest quarterback on time.

1386
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 4: But do you think you're over valuing what the greatest

1387
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 4: coach of all time? I think like the greatest coach

1388
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 4: of all times should have a terrible roster and should

1389
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 4: have them making the Super Bowl? William, how much can

1390
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 4: a coach too?

1391
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 3: I mean Don Shula could never win with Dan Marino.

1392
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 6: The twenty twenty Patriots with another coach, the Cam Newton

1393
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 6: Patriots are a three win football team.

1394
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 4: Like that team was horrible.

1395
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 13: We're twenty twenty three, gentlemen and lady. Okay, he didn't

1396
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 13: show you it yet, had Okay, look at you, look

1397
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 13: at your look at your division. Your division got better

1398
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,959
Speaker 13: over the four seats, and look at your team.

1399
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 3: He went at eleven and six with that Castle as

1400
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 3: the quarterback.

1401
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 13: We got quarterback. We're going up against Josh Josh Allens,

1402
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 13: Aaron Aaron Rodgers, and then you got two of that

1403
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 13: we can't even beat by.

1404
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 6: If you want to have with with build a GM,

1405
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 6: I will. I will get in line with you, like

1406
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 6: I got plenty of things to bring up with him

1407
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 6: from a team building perspective. If you want to sit

1408
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 6: here and talk X's nose, like come on, like what

1409
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 6: are we doing like actually coaching a football team?

1410
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 13: Okay, you say he's the greatest coach of all time.

1411
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 13: If you so, if you're so great, why would you

1412
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 13: put a defensive court.

1413
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 6: Near that's different.

1414
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 3: That that's not coaching.

1415
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 6: That's different. That's not what I'm talking about.

1416
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:19,439
Speaker 3: That's not coaching.

1417
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 6: I'm talking about game planning. I'm talking about coaching on

1418
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 6: the practice field. It was a dumb decision, but that's

1419
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 6: but those are two different it's two different things. It's

1420
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 6: two different things.

1421
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 4: William.

1422
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 3: Now listen.

1423
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 15: I mean, y'all know, that was the stupidest, dumbest we've.

1424
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 4: All said it. Like we've all said it. We said

1425
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 4: it when it was happening.

1426
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 3: Yes, I I didn't say it at the time. I'll

1427
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 3: admit it. At the time, I didn't say it.

1428
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 13: Made it down to me. So I'm like, come on,

1429
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 13: are we going on? We don't have all the time

1430
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 13: in the world, Like what's going on?

1431
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 3: I am, yeah, Well, Bill, it's gonna be a week

1432
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 3: by week thing, William, and I hope you call in

1433
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 3: every week and we talk about it.

1434
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 6: You're not invited to the thank you.

1435
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 4: I hope they win for William because he seems like

1436
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 4: he's really.

1437
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 6: I'm I'm with him like on like a lot of

1438
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 6: the big picture things that I am worried about the

1439
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 6: direction of the team from a roster building perspective because

1440
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 6: I think his his views and when I say his,

1441
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 6: I mean Bill's views on roster building are antiquated. Well,

1442
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 6: I think I think they are.

1443
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 3: But I think I think, you know, one of the

1444
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 3: questions is where does head coaching stop and the other

1445
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 3: jobs start? You know, so like so Bill, in Bill's case,

1446
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 3: he's in charge of everything, right, so making that decision

1447
01:02:55,240 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 3: to put Patricia in judge and those offensive positions obviously

1448
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 3: was his choice.

1449
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 6: Absolutely.

1450
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 3: Is that part of being a head coach or is

1451
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 3: that part of being the GM?

1452
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 6: That's part of being the head coach. I think My

1453
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 6: point though, is just that if you take all thirty

1454
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 6: two coaches and you put them all on the whiteboard,

1455
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 6: I'm taking Bill every single day. I am too, Like

1456
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 6: every single day there's nobody that knows more about x's

1457
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 6: and o's and how to break down film and how

1458
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 6: to scout an opponent and how to game plan an opponent,

1459
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 6: how to teach guys like we see him out there

1460
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 6: on the practice field that at seventy years old, still

1461
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 6: getting involved in positional drills like not even like eleven

1462
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 6: on eleven, but just positional drills of you know, how

1463
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 6: to hold the football, how to do like Kendrick Bourr

1464
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 6: a couple of years ago, saying he doesn't fumble as

1465
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 6: much anymore because of Bill Belichick, because of the drills

1466
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 6: that they do during practice. I'll take all the the

1467
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 6: micro stuff that Bill does any day of the week.

1468
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 6: If you want to talk about patrician judge decisions or

1469
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 6: roster decisions, then yeah, you have. You have legitimate gripes

1470
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 6: with the way that he's on the team the last

1471
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 6: couple of years.

1472
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:04,320
Speaker 3: Matthews in New Mexico. What's up, Matthew?

1473
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 13: Hey, what's up?

1474
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 3: Guys?

1475
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 16: How are you doing good?

1476
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 3: Are you a first time caller?

1477
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 11: No, I've called before.

1478
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 3: Uh okay.

1479
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 16: I think last time it was about like the Mac Jones,

1480
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 16: Bill Belichick trading Mac Jones. But I'm just calling. Like

1481
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 16: when you guys say, like the number one defense, you know,

1482
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 16: it's kind of just like the Bearers scored thirty points

1483
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 16: on the Bible scored thirty points.

1484
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 13: All these teams, and I agree with you say it.

1485
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 13: I think I think Christian's going to make a big difference.

1486
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 16: But I don't know, It's just it doesn't grinding my deers,

1487
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 16: but grind my DearS.

1488
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 2: You know.

1489
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 3: I think I think last year's defense was okay, they

1490
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 3: would challenge when they play the better offenses, There's no doubt.

1491
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 3: And I think one of the problems was the secondary.

1492
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 3: I think even with mccordy, they don't really have, you know,

1493
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 3: the right cornerbacks in the right places, and hopefully this

1494
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 3: year they do.

1495
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 6: You know, the question I have just with that with

1496
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 6: the whole defense thing, and I always go back to

1497
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 6: this is more of an offense thing, but like, what

1498
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 6: team didn't have issues against right the great offenses across

1499
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 6: the Chicago's a fair one, and that one was I

1500
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 6: think a much more matchup base to the fact that

1501
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 6: their quarterback was more athletic than everybody on the field.

1502
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 6: But when you talk about Buffalo Minnesota last year, with

1503
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 6: the season that Justin nobody stopped Justin Jefferson. He was

1504
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 6: the offensive player of the year. Like he nobody could

1505
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 6: cover him. The guy had one of the best receiving

1506
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 6: seasons in the NFL, probably since Moss and O seven,

1507
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 6: like or Antonio Brown in his peak, like that was

1508
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 6: an all time great receiver season. So I think what

1509
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 6: it comes down to is that it's really really difficult

1510
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 6: to be a great defense anymore, and it's really really

1511
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 6: difficult to stop the relatives.

1512
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 3: It's like a great defense in twenty twenty three is

1513
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 3: not a great defense in you know, nineteen eighty six

1514
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 3: or you know, even in the nineties.

1515
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 16: And like they're hating on Bill, Like just Bill Skiming,

1516
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 16: Just Bill Skiming.

1517
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 17: That's the top twenty defense with horrible players to me.

1518
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 16: But last thing I was gonna say, did.

1519
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 13: You guys see what Kirk Curve streets about Mac?

1520
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for the Carl Matthew.

1521
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:24,479
Speaker 4: I mean, he's really really high on Mac.

1522
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1523
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 5: I haven't seen a lot to share that optimism so far.

1524
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 5: From what I've seen, I could do. I could do

1525
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 5: some on the defense all day. And I think you

1526
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 5: guys are right. I think it's you know, situational. It's just,

1527
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 5: you know, it's just the lack of you know, you've

1528
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 5: had multiple games a chance to like get over the

1529
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 5: hump against a playoff team, and that that's what's frustrating.

1530
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 4: It's and and Evan's totally right. These are good offenses.

1531
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Speaker 4: including the Tampa super Bowl, but is six super bowls?

1744
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 4: Four super bowls better than Peyton Manning?

1745
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 5: Whatever it is, five super bowls better than any Like

1746
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 5: something doesn't connect there, Like I think Tom Brady is

1747
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:37,200
Speaker 5: the greatest? Is he four super bowls better than Peyton Manning?

1748
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:39,439
Speaker 5: I think that there was something else to play there

1749
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 5: rather than just Tom Brady being awesome and the an

1750
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 5: idiot coach along for the ride, just hoping he doesn't

1751
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 5: mess it up each season, Like there is something to

1752
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 5: be said for the rosters that he turned over, some

1753
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:51,479
Speaker 5: hard decisions that he made.

1754
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 4: But I also just like go back to, like what

1755
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 4: do people think that we think do you think that

1756
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:58,080
Speaker 4: like we think built such a great coach that you

1757
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 4: could put a bunch of pop warners out kids out

1758
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 4: there and or they be competitive because he's the greatest coach.

1759
01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:05,200
Speaker 4: There's a certain line of how much a coach can't.

1760
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 3: Even Brady though said, while he's here, I'm just the quarterback.

1761
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:10,439
Speaker 3: I don't make those decisions. And he's right. You know,

1762
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 3: there's twenty two other guys like that play on a

1763
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:17,400
Speaker 3: given you know, in a game and or you know

1764
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:20,280
Speaker 3: fifty three, and Bill had to be in charge of

1765
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:23,320
Speaker 3: all those guys, not just Tom Brady. You know, Tom

1766
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:26,839
Speaker 3: played quarterback and he played it better than any quarterback

1767
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:28,880
Speaker 3: has ever played it. But there's a hell of a

1768
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:31,639
Speaker 3: lot more to the game of football. That's why football

1769
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 3: is such a great game, you know, because it's there's

1770
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 3: so many moving pieces, and you know, that's just the

1771
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:41,480
Speaker 3: game itself. Forget about now having to deal with professionals

1772
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:44,800
Speaker 3: and contracts and egos and personalities and then winning and

1773
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:48,640
Speaker 3: entitlement and all that. That's what made Bill to me

1774
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 3: just the greatest you know, all around coach GM ever

1775
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:57,559
Speaker 3: all of that, you know, I include the GM part

1776
01:18:57,600 --> 01:18:59,639
Speaker 3: of it. It's you know, you're you're dealing with humans.

1777
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 3: So it's hard to always draft the right guys and

1778
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:05,880
Speaker 3: always right and make the right moves because they're human beings.

1779
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:09,640
Speaker 3: But to do it consistently for twenty years at that

1780
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 3: level with or without Tom Brady, I you know what

1781
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 3: he did. It's just it's never been done before.

1782
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:19,000
Speaker 5: I just don't did anyone ever come out and say, like, well,

1783
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 5: it was all Bill Belichick or oh, it was fifty

1784
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:22,080
Speaker 5: to fifty, Like, I don't know.

1785
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:26,040
Speaker 3: People were like, dude, we gotta remember when we went back,

1786
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:29,640
Speaker 3: there was there was a Bill was the reason, and

1787
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 3: there was a Tom. There was a reason. And then

1788
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 3: people in the middle said it was fifty to fifty.

1789
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 3: But there were camps for both. Now that shifted Tom

1790
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 3: left and won in Tampa. The Bill was the reason. People.

1791
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:45,360
Speaker 3: That's thinned out a little bit. You know, I'm still

1792
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 3: they each made they they were each great, and they

1793
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:51,120
Speaker 3: made each other greater. You know, why do we have

1794
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 3: to pick sides?

1795
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:54,719
Speaker 4: Well, it's just like the vitriol that's like directed towards

1796
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:57,479
Speaker 4: them now, I just you know, it's it's it's somewhat

1797
01:19:57,520 --> 01:19:59,320
Speaker 4: like and I like everything we talked about, Like we

1798
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:02,760
Speaker 4: have our our problems with what he's done with the

1799
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:03,720
Speaker 4: team over the last few years.

1800
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 3: But let me tell you something. If if Bill, for

1801
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:08,599
Speaker 3: if the Patriots had just kind of made the playoffs

1802
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:10,719
Speaker 3: the last couple of years and Brady went to Tampa

1803
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 3: and they did nothing, I'm gonna tell you that you

1804
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:16,760
Speaker 3: would hear it from the other side too. They would

1805
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 3: come out and they would feel emboldened right now for

1806
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:23,320
Speaker 3: as they should be. The Brady camp isn't bolden. They

1807
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:25,800
Speaker 3: were proven that this guy can win wherever he goes.

1808
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I mean they should, but you know, it's

1809
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:29,640
Speaker 5: just I guess for me, and you know, maybe there

1810
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:33,000
Speaker 5: was a degree of being naive towards it all.

1811
01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:35,479
Speaker 4: But it's also just that Tom is on the field.

1812
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:37,400
Speaker 5: He's like, get the one who gets the football and

1813
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 5: has to actually execute, Like Bill doesn't touch the field,

1814
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 5: like he doesn't play. So like it's just like common

1815
01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:45,880
Speaker 5: sense wise, you're not starting in a place from fifty

1816
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:48,800
Speaker 5: to fifty. You're talking, you know about an NFL you know,

1817
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:52,400
Speaker 5: head coach who is literally adored by anyone who's serious

1818
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 5: football people like take like fans out of the occasion

1819
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 5: who just want to see their team win. Like anytime

1820
01:20:57,240 --> 01:20:59,759
Speaker 5: you see an NFL player of any kind of stature,

1821
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:02,599
Speaker 5: you know, in Bill Belichick's presence or talking the game

1822
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:04,519
Speaker 5: with him, you can see that the respect that they have,

1823
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 5: you know, for him.

1824
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying that everyone has to.

1825
01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:09,200
Speaker 5: Like it, but at the same time, it's like just

1826
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:13,080
Speaker 5: this absolute dismissiveness now where it's like caller after caller

1827
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:17,719
Speaker 5: lining up to tell us that it was all Tom Brady, Like, okay, great,

1828
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:20,759
Speaker 5: I'm not sitting here telling you it was all Bill Belichick,

1829
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:23,559
Speaker 5: but at least acknowledged that you had a really good

1830
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:25,640
Speaker 5: NFL coach who, guess what, is going to be one

1831
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:26,920
Speaker 5: of the greatest NFL coaches of.

1832
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 4: All time forever, who's always going to be linked with

1833
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:29,599
Speaker 4: the Patriots.

1834
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:31,200
Speaker 5: And at some point, I just hope for some of

1835
01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 5: these people it can go back to a point of saying, hey,

1836
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:35,120
Speaker 5: it didn't go great, maybe at the end, and maybe

1837
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:37,519
Speaker 5: it was more Tom than Bill, but we had something

1838
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:39,559
Speaker 5: special going on and we were lucky to have an

1839
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:42,040
Speaker 5: NFL Hall of Fame, NFL coach who you know, is

1840
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:45,439
Speaker 5: universally respected by people within the game's you know, That's

1841
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 5: just what just starts to frustrate me, is that's.

1842
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:50,759
Speaker 9: Why it's just such a simpleton thing to even debate,

1843
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 9: Like we had a summer of that debate that was

1844
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:56,720
Speaker 9: just junk food of sports media feeding it to us

1845
01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 9: after Tom left, and.

1846
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:01,519
Speaker 8: For some reason it's just stuck. But it's like, it's

1847
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:03,840
Speaker 8: so simpleton. This is such a nuanced game. It's such

1848
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:04,839
Speaker 8: a nuanced conversation.

1849
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:06,920
Speaker 4: It's like forenty two guys out there, and I mean,

1850
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 4: that's you know, and that's what you have a hand.

1851
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 4: And then I like, in no way do I want

1852
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:12,160
Speaker 4: this to say like I'm trying to downplay Tom Brady,

1853
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:14,800
Speaker 4: Like what Tom Brady did in the clutch is like

1854
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:16,280
Speaker 4: generational in sports.

1855
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:16,680
Speaker 3: I mean that.

1856
01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:21,800
Speaker 5: James right, And so we can go right through to

1857
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:24,240
Speaker 5: your point. We can go right through in every single

1858
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:26,920
Speaker 5: Super Bowl and say, yeah, Tom was Tom played.

1859
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 4: I mean some were better than others.

1860
01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:31,000
Speaker 5: Super Bowl, but you needed you needed other plays and

1861
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 5: all those Super Bowls, you know, And and that isn't

1862
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:34,679
Speaker 5: going to go away.

1863
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:39,479
Speaker 3: L from Wisconsin, guys, I feel like every time people

1864
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:42,479
Speaker 3: talk about moving on from Bill, you always bring up

1865
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:44,960
Speaker 3: how great of a coach he is. You're right, he's

1866
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:47,439
Speaker 3: a great coach, But if they missed the playoffs again,

1867
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:50,080
Speaker 3: no matter how it looks, we need to think about

1868
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 3: moving on. Maybe Bill. The GM plus Bill a coach

1869
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:56,640
Speaker 3: equals middling football team. At some point, the failings that

1870
01:22:56,760 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 3: GM overshadows the greatness at coach.

1871
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 9: It's like you to say that too, But like if

1872
01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:04,320
Speaker 9: you're I mean, maybe I wouldn't be a great CEO

1873
01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:06,840
Speaker 9: and president of a football team, But do you want to.

1874
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:08,599
Speaker 8: Be the person to fire Bill Belichick?

1875
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:10,559
Speaker 4: Because and that's.

1876
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 9: Even if I felt it, even if I want it,

1877
01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 9: I think ideally it just kind of.

1878
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:21,320
Speaker 6: Like it just kind of fizzles out and everybody sort

1879
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:23,680
Speaker 6: of just agrees it's the best thing. But I think

1880
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:29,840
Speaker 6: that I try to remain somewhat patient because I do

1881
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 6: think that it has to be said that the Patriots

1882
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:38,840
Speaker 6: were in are in a rebuild. They are rebuilding, and

1883
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:43,040
Speaker 6: that rebuild was not of moving on from the greatest

1884
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 6: quarterback of all time, which was gonna happen whether they

1885
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 6: did it when they did it or they did it

1886
01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:49,160
Speaker 6: two years later. Like at some point Brady was going

1887
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 6: to retire and it was gonna have to hit the

1888
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:53,719
Speaker 6: reset You were gonna have to hit the reset button.

1889
01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:58,400
Speaker 6: And I yes, they are going into year four of

1890
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 6: this rebuild. Now I count the Cam Newton year. I

1891
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 6: don't know if Bill counts the Cam Newton year, but

1892
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:05,760
Speaker 6: I count the Cam Newton year. They're going into year

1893
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:07,200
Speaker 6: four of it, and now you do have to start

1894
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 6: seeing some results. And we've talked a lot about some

1895
01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:12,760
Speaker 6: of the young players that they've drafted over the last

1896
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:14,920
Speaker 6: couple of years that maybe can be a part of

1897
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:18,360
Speaker 6: that next generation. If that all flops on its head

1898
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 6: and goes nowhere, then yeah, I'm starting to run out

1899
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:24,960
Speaker 6: of patients as well. But you have to recognize that

1900
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 6: Rome wasn't built in a day, like I find me

1901
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:30,680
Speaker 6: a team other than like, you know, the Packers that

1902
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:33,240
Speaker 6: just lucked into moving on from Brett Favre right into

1903
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:37,760
Speaker 6: Aaron Rodgers, Like that doesn't normally happen in that seamless

1904
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:40,960
Speaker 6: of a transition. So you had to give it some

1905
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:42,960
Speaker 6: time to see if it's stuck. And yeah, now it

1906
01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:46,800
Speaker 6: is getting to put put up or s up time.

1907
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:49,040
Speaker 6: Now I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it.

1908
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:51,280
Speaker 4: But it's like and that's and that's something that I

1909
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:53,679
Speaker 4: think I've rested over the last few years.

1910
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 5: It's just like, what's reasonable, what's what's a reasonable expectation

1911
01:24:57,240 --> 01:24:59,840
Speaker 5: for that? And certainly you have a higher expectation, because

1912
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:02,040
Speaker 5: do you have we have thrown so many bouquets of

1913
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:05,080
Speaker 5: flowers at you know, as a coach. But I think

1914
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:06,800
Speaker 5: you're totally right ivan to your point. It's you know,

1915
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:08,880
Speaker 5: and there's more to just being the GM. There's also

1916
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 5: being the coach who develops the players. And if guys,

1917
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:15,960
Speaker 5: the young guys that I want aren't developing, then I'm

1918
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:17,400
Speaker 5: in that boat too. But I think you know that

1919
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:19,760
Speaker 5: that's where I start to pause, is all right, well,

1920
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:22,200
Speaker 5: what if some of these young guys this year start

1921
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:24,160
Speaker 5: to show something? What if you know, Mac Jones has

1922
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:27,040
Speaker 5: an outstanding year, you know where you say, I think

1923
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:28,679
Speaker 5: he's you know, he's better than two of for sure,

1924
01:25:28,760 --> 01:25:31,080
Speaker 5: now like he's really you know, That's where it gets

1925
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:33,360
Speaker 5: murky for me, because we should.

1926
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:35,920
Speaker 4: Give amount of time. I don't know. Some people might

1927
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 4: have said, you didn't get to the playoffs in twenty

1928
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:39,200
Speaker 4: twenty and you're out and that's it.

1929
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:40,040
Speaker 25: You know.

1930
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:42,200
Speaker 5: Other people probably would say, oh, he can go forever.

1931
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:44,240
Speaker 5: But for me, it's the young players. And if the

1932
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:46,640
Speaker 5: young players show no signs of development this year and

1933
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 5: we feel like we're again on a talent devoid team

1934
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:53,360
Speaker 5: that doesn't really seem like it has pieces to build.

1935
01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 4: Around, then I'm with all the angry callers.

1936
01:25:56,360 --> 01:25:59,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, would you say that in as opposed to like

1937
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:03,560
Speaker 3: the other three major sports in the United States, that

1938
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:07,479
Speaker 3: a rebuild in football has to be faster than the

1939
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:10,800
Speaker 3: others just because of length of career and contracts in

1940
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:11,800
Speaker 3: the NFL.

1941
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 5: And so many positions though too. I mean it's you know,

1942
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 5: it's easy in basketball and hockey. I mean, you could

1943
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:18,799
Speaker 5: get one key player and it really changes your franchise.

1944
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:20,760
Speaker 5: With football, you probably need at.

1945
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 4: Least two or three and you have to hold on

1946
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:25,080
Speaker 4: to them, and you have to be able to pay

1947
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:26,439
Speaker 4: them and they will have to stay.

1948
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:30,200
Speaker 3: So I think it's a tough Without the quarterback, it's

1949
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:31,920
Speaker 3: a tough league to rebuild.

1950
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:34,320
Speaker 6: Right, And that was sort of my Aaron Rodgers' point

1951
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:37,280
Speaker 6: was like unless you luck into just falling into that

1952
01:26:37,400 --> 01:26:41,960
Speaker 6: quarterback instantly in a rebuild, Like, let's look around the division,

1953
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:46,519
Speaker 6: Like the teams around the division are perpetually rebuilding because

1954
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:48,800
Speaker 6: they have it until really with Buffalo, I guess with

1955
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:51,559
Speaker 6: Josh Allen. But the Jets are putting a band aid

1956
01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:54,320
Speaker 6: on their quarterback problem because Aaron Rodgers is forty years old,

1957
01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:57,160
Speaker 6: So it's how long is that really going to last?

1958
01:26:57,479 --> 01:26:58,880
Speaker 6: So in a couple of years the Jets will be

1959
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:01,479
Speaker 6: back looking for a quarterback all over again. They've now

1960
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:05,320
Speaker 6: drafted Mark Sanchez, Sam Darnold, and Zach Wilson and failed

1961
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:08,840
Speaker 6: three times at the quarterbacks in the top ten, not

1962
01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:11,200
Speaker 6: you know, not even so you have to really think

1963
01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:14,240
Speaker 6: about like this, this is this is it like welcome,

1964
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:17,760
Speaker 6: welcome to life in the NFL for everybody else. And

1965
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:20,439
Speaker 6: I think that that's like the one thing of patience

1966
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:22,960
Speaker 6: that I will have with Bill. The only thing that

1967
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:25,320
Speaker 6: I really have like a major gripe with him is

1968
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:27,960
Speaker 6: that I still think he operates from a roster building

1969
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:30,519
Speaker 6: perspective like he has Tom Brady, Like I'm just gonna

1970
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:33,920
Speaker 6: collect Juju Smith, Schuster and DeVante Parker, and you know,

1971
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:36,160
Speaker 6: I'm gonna fill out the middle class of the roster

1972
01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:39,000
Speaker 6: and then we're gonna be strong on defense, and I'm

1973
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:41,280
Speaker 6: gonna coach everybody up on defense and we're gonna be

1974
01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:45,840
Speaker 6: good there and all that kind of stuff. And offensively, well,

1975
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:47,679
Speaker 6: we have Tom Brady, so he's gonna put up thirty

1976
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 6: a game. But the problem is they don't have Tom

1977
01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:51,920
Speaker 6: Brady anymore. So now you have to really start to

1978
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:54,200
Speaker 6: change how you look at that side of the football.

1979
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:57,200
Speaker 6: And I don't really feel like he has. But as

1980
01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 6: somebody that watches film from everybody around the league, I

1981
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:04,479
Speaker 6: am taking Bill Belichick's defensive install over at thirty one

1982
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:06,720
Speaker 6: other teams. Like trust me when I tell you the

1983
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:09,880
Speaker 6: not only the diversity of the scheme, like the amount

1984
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 6: of things that they have in their rolodecks, but just

1985
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:14,880
Speaker 6: like the foundation of it and how sound it is

1986
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:17,840
Speaker 6: and how positionally sound they are, Like how often do

1987
01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:19,840
Speaker 6: I say it all the time? How often do we

1988
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:22,519
Speaker 6: call out like, oh, well they just busted that coverage,

1989
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:24,760
Speaker 6: Like why is that guy by himself for thirty? That

1990
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:28,639
Speaker 6: never happens. It never happens. And they are they're really

1991
01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 6: structurally sound. They have every single thing at their disposal.

1992
01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 6: They can play zone, they can play man, they can blitz,

1993
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:37,040
Speaker 6: they can back off, like they can do everything, and

1994
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:39,320
Speaker 6: they're really well coached on that side of the football.

1995
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:42,719
Speaker 6: But I thought, Douce to your point, about developing talent

1996
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:46,160
Speaker 6: is really important too, and we've touched on this, but

1997
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 6: losing some of those assistant coaches over the years, and

1998
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:52,559
Speaker 6: all of the assistant coaching talent that's left, whether it's

1999
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:56,040
Speaker 6: been from retirement or just left with Josh McDaniels, you know,

2000
01:28:56,160 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 6: including Josh McDaniels. But with Josh McDaniels, I think that

2001
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:04,480
Speaker 6: really is an undertold story. Like you get Dante Scarneki retires,

2002
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:09,200
Speaker 6: i'vean Fears retires. Josh McDaniels tastes the other seventy five

2003
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:12,479
Speaker 6: percent of the offensive coaching staff with him. To Vegas,

2004
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 6: you got guys like you know that are on the

2005
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:17,599
Speaker 6: defensive side of the ball that are starting to get

2006
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:21,360
Speaker 6: some experience. But girod Mayo was a relatively young coach

2007
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:23,360
Speaker 6: a couple of years ago, and Steve was a your

2008
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 6: relativety young coach a couple of years ago. And that

2009
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:27,600
Speaker 6: is part of it.

2010
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:30,640
Speaker 3: It is part of it, the brain drain. Josh and

2011
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:33,519
Speaker 3: Turner's false says, first off, the sweetest chef is the

2012
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:35,519
Speaker 3: greatest Muppets character.

2013
01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:38,640
Speaker 5: That's that's a summer Muppets though, is that it is

2014
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:40,559
Speaker 5: there a delineation between Muppets, Oh, mats.

2015
01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:43,559
Speaker 4: Give me the knowing No, Yeah, that's that's Muppets right.

2016
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:46,280
Speaker 6: I don't even know what that beaker. I wasn't the

2017
01:29:46,280 --> 01:29:47,080
Speaker 6: big Muppets guy.

2018
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:47,960
Speaker 11: Uh.

2019
01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:50,360
Speaker 3: Secondly, and I promised this would be the last time

2020
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:52,920
Speaker 3: I mentioned this player. If we don't get d hop,

2021
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:56,120
Speaker 3: which at this point I'm over it, it becomes it'll

2022
01:29:56,160 --> 01:29:59,840
Speaker 3: be begrudgingly and I'm not positive that that's what the

2023
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:03,680
Speaker 3: team needs. Would you entertain Dalvin Cook? My reasoning is

2024
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:06,200
Speaker 3: that you guys have discussed the Patriots wanting to have

2025
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:09,679
Speaker 3: one back on one drive, different one on the next

2026
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:12,519
Speaker 3: one he can catch and run it. Teams wouldn't assume

2027
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:15,240
Speaker 3: one way or the other on a give and play

2028
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:19,040
Speaker 3: and keep Stevenson and Cook healthy in fresh week after week.

2029
01:30:19,120 --> 01:30:21,519
Speaker 3: I like Strong and Harris, but if this is the

2030
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:24,400
Speaker 3: see what Mac and do season, I'd like to see

2031
01:30:24,439 --> 01:30:28,320
Speaker 3: a dynamic ish player add it. And Thirdly, going to

2032
01:30:28,439 --> 01:30:30,719
Speaker 3: my first training camp on the twenty eighth, any tips

2033
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:32,240
Speaker 3: or insights would be great.

2034
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:33,880
Speaker 4: Try to find some shade.

2035
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:37,760
Speaker 6: So we're actually doing tips and insights into training camp

2036
01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:39,800
Speaker 6: next week. On Catch twenty two. Oh, if you listen

2037
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:41,799
Speaker 6: to Catch twenty two, we're gonna do a little playbook

2038
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:44,760
Speaker 6: of how to attend Patriots training camp.

2039
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:47,080
Speaker 5: So there's been some construction. Now they've taken some trees out,

2040
01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:50,000
Speaker 5: I think, so there isn't the same valuable shade spots

2041
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:50,760
Speaker 5: on the side of that.

2042
01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:53,080
Speaker 6: I would bring sunscreen, Yeah, sunscreen?

2043
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:54,680
Speaker 3: Why brimmed hat?

2044
01:30:56,439 --> 01:30:58,679
Speaker 4: Dalvin Cook? I don't know. I guess. I just I'm

2045
01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:01,080
Speaker 4: pulling out hope that they can just rely on the

2046
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:02,840
Speaker 4: two rookies from last year.

2047
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:05,519
Speaker 5: And I'm also like, yeah, he's a weapon, But I'm like,

2048
01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:07,880
Speaker 5: I just I need passing game, get people that move

2049
01:31:07,960 --> 01:31:12,080
Speaker 5: the needle, like you know, receiver. Like how much is

2050
01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:15,120
Speaker 5: Dalvin Cook gonna change out the course of the Patriots

2051
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:18,479
Speaker 5: season with this roster currently? I just have trouble seeing

2052
01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:20,400
Speaker 5: him being like, yeah, maybe he'll come in and be

2053
01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:23,519
Speaker 5: a nice complimentary piece to remonderate, but are they gonna

2054
01:31:23,560 --> 01:31:25,439
Speaker 5: take over games and be dominant?

2055
01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:27,120
Speaker 4: I struggle to see that happen.

2056
01:31:27,640 --> 01:31:29,880
Speaker 6: I'm with you that I don't know how much Dalvin

2057
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:32,360
Speaker 6: Cook necessarily moves the needle. But like, if I have

2058
01:31:32,439 --> 01:31:35,120
Speaker 6: to have a consolation prize, would I rather have Dalvin

2059
01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:38,040
Speaker 6: Cook or not have Devin Cook. I'll take Dalvin Cook,

2060
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:40,240
Speaker 6: I guess I think that if you're gonna be this

2061
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:43,320
Speaker 6: type of team that they're set up to be right now,

2062
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:45,720
Speaker 6: you might as well go all in on being like

2063
01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:50,360
Speaker 6: a ball control, ground and pound offense with play action incorporated,

2064
01:31:50,439 --> 01:31:53,679
Speaker 6: that plays good defense and tries to win with complimentary football.

2065
01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:56,800
Speaker 6: Like that's the playbook that they're trying to follow, that's

2066
01:31:56,840 --> 01:31:59,040
Speaker 6: the script that they're trying to follow, then it might

2067
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:01,040
Speaker 6: as well just if you're gonna do it, do.

2068
01:32:01,080 --> 01:32:01,439
Speaker 12: It, do it.

2069
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:04,400
Speaker 9: Yeah, wouldn't it be so frustrating to see them address

2070
01:32:04,479 --> 01:32:06,720
Speaker 9: like running backs as opposed to something in the secondary

2071
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:07,640
Speaker 9: or receiver.

2072
01:32:07,560 --> 01:32:10,200
Speaker 6: Like I just yeah, I think other But like you

2073
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:12,360
Speaker 6: have to go back to like what's available right Like

2074
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:15,960
Speaker 6: Dalvin Cook is the best player outside of DeAndre Hopkins

2075
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:18,120
Speaker 6: that's on the available on the market. Like I would

2076
01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:20,080
Speaker 6: love for them to use their cap space to sign

2077
01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:24,240
Speaker 6: a tackle, but like what tackle is helping them right now?

2078
01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:27,240
Speaker 6: That's available? So if out of all the players that

2079
01:32:27,320 --> 01:32:30,360
Speaker 6: are out there, if it's can't be DeAndre Hopkins and

2080
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:32,080
Speaker 6: it has to be Dalvin Cook, I would at least

2081
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:33,080
Speaker 6: take Dalvin Cook.

2082
01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:36,080
Speaker 3: Back to the phone, Seawnson, Vancouver, what's up, Sean?

2083
01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:41,679
Speaker 17: I want to talk about Robert Kraft hopefully getting into

2084
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:45,320
Speaker 17: the Hall of Fame. Nice say he's eligible again, and

2085
01:32:46,240 --> 01:32:48,559
Speaker 17: there's no owner more deserving.

2086
01:32:48,640 --> 01:32:49,800
Speaker 13: He's the best owner in.

2087
01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:53,559
Speaker 17: Professional sports history. You look at the Patriots where they

2088
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:56,439
Speaker 17: were before Robert Kraft. This team was a Patsy's. I

2089
01:32:56,479 --> 01:32:59,560
Speaker 17: mean the problem with the sullivan didn't have the bankroll

2090
01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:03,960
Speaker 17: to run an NFL franchise properly, and that's never been.

2091
01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:05,000
Speaker 7: A problem with rolber Craft.

2092
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:08,200
Speaker 17: I mean, they lost players like Nick Vanaconnie because of

2093
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:14,160
Speaker 17: salary issues and union kind of aspirations. And there was

2094
01:33:14,680 --> 01:33:17,120
Speaker 17: Russ Francis who they didn't pay him as bonus, so

2095
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:20,040
Speaker 17: he retired, and then they had to trade him and

2096
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:23,600
Speaker 17: Mike Mike Haynes. Also they had to trade to the

2097
01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:26,840
Speaker 17: Raiders because they wouldn't pay one of the best cornerbacks

2098
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:28,960
Speaker 17: in the history of the game, Chuck Fairbanks, the coach

2099
01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:34,000
Speaker 17: in the playoffs. They lost him because verneckt on the

2100
01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:37,800
Speaker 17: contract for Stingley, who they definitely should have paid, even

2101
01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:40,559
Speaker 17: though you know he was paralyzed. That was really shameful.

2102
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:45,479
Speaker 17: So you look at the Sullivans compared to where they went, no,

2103
01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:48,160
Speaker 17: no brainer. And then if you look at what he's

2104
01:33:48,240 --> 01:33:51,800
Speaker 17: done for the league. The NFL wasn't nearly where it

2105
01:33:52,040 --> 01:33:55,920
Speaker 17: was prior to Robert Craft becoming an owner. And he's

2106
01:33:56,320 --> 01:34:00,000
Speaker 17: really really helped the NFL become the dominant sports league

2107
01:34:00,200 --> 01:34:06,240
Speaker 17: in North America, took over from baseball by leaps and bounds.

2108
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:10,080
Speaker 17: You know, you look at the television contracts, you look

2109
01:34:10,120 --> 01:34:14,599
Speaker 17: at what he did bringing the players and the owners

2110
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:18,599
Speaker 17: together in terms of disputes, and and and him getting

2111
01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:21,840
Speaker 17: over what most people would would never have gotten over

2112
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:26,000
Speaker 17: in terms of the insults that have been put upon

2113
01:34:26,120 --> 01:34:29,840
Speaker 17: him by by the commissioner, who is not a great commissioner.

2114
01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:32,639
Speaker 17: And and he's he's looked past that. He's done everything

2115
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:34,760
Speaker 17: for the league. He definitely should be in the Hall

2116
01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:36,519
Speaker 17: of Fame. It's not like they're the Hallston doesn't have

2117
01:34:38,040 --> 01:34:39,080
Speaker 17: owners in there already.

2118
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:40,599
Speaker 13: I mean you have Jerry Jones.

2119
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:42,200
Speaker 3: Oh listen, if you've got to put an owner, and

2120
01:34:42,280 --> 01:34:44,160
Speaker 3: he's he should be next on the list.

2121
01:34:45,200 --> 01:34:48,080
Speaker 17: That yeah, yeah, look at Tarles a bit well, he

2122
01:34:48,160 --> 01:34:50,360
Speaker 17: owned the Cardinals from thirty three to fourty seven. That

2123
01:34:50,479 --> 01:34:53,360
Speaker 17: was a terrible Everyone in Chicago went to Bears games.

2124
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:56,120
Speaker 17: No one went to Cardinals games. And then he dies,

2125
01:34:56,200 --> 01:34:58,840
Speaker 17: and and so that's why he's in the Hall of Fame.

2126
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:03,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't. Yes, So Robert Kraft is a semi

2127
01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:10,559
Speaker 3: finalist uh and the contributor uh category. So let's let's hope.

2128
01:35:10,640 --> 01:35:13,280
Speaker 6: Let's hope we gets also get the Steamer in places

2129
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:14,679
Speaker 6: Stanley Morgan.

2130
01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:15,680
Speaker 4: Yes, both of them.

2131
01:35:16,120 --> 01:35:20,519
Speaker 3: There's actually on that veteran list. There's there's some good players. Yeah, yeah,

2132
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:22,559
Speaker 3: there's a lot of good worthy players.

2133
01:35:22,640 --> 01:35:28,800
Speaker 6: Yeah. I just I am in full, full agreement with

2134
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:32,280
Speaker 6: Sean about Robert Craft going into the Hall of Fame.

2135
01:35:32,320 --> 01:35:35,519
Speaker 6: But if I if I could, if I could ask,

2136
01:35:36,479 --> 01:35:38,880
Speaker 6: if I could ask him like a true serum question,

2137
01:35:38,920 --> 01:35:42,600
Speaker 6: if I had one question, no hurt feelings whatsoever, that

2138
01:35:42,720 --> 01:35:45,479
Speaker 6: I could ask him, I would just ask him, like,

2139
01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:47,920
Speaker 6: what's his take on the real cash spending argument? And

2140
01:35:47,960 --> 01:35:50,600
Speaker 6: I don't care about it necessarily, but I'm just like

2141
01:35:50,720 --> 01:35:54,519
Speaker 6: curious about, like what's the what is it? Because he

2142
01:35:54,680 --> 01:35:56,840
Speaker 6: wants to win more than anybody else. I know that,

2143
01:35:57,040 --> 01:35:58,840
Speaker 6: and I know that he knows how to build a

2144
01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:03,800
Speaker 6: winning franchise. But I'm genuinely curious, like what what's like

2145
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:06,840
Speaker 6: the disconnect there? Then, you know, like because Bill says

2146
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:08,559
Speaker 6: it like I'm not saying it from my point of view,

2147
01:36:08,680 --> 01:36:11,920
Speaker 6: like your head coach is telling the media, is pointing

2148
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:14,280
Speaker 6: out to the media that you're exit in real cash

2149
01:36:14,360 --> 01:36:17,200
Speaker 6: spending as a kind of like a feather in his cap,

2150
01:36:17,320 --> 01:36:20,160
Speaker 6: Like I built this roster without spending a ton of money.

2151
01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:24,080
Speaker 6: And I don't think that there's a budget. I don't.

2152
01:36:24,120 --> 01:36:26,839
Speaker 6: I don't think that because I just I can't imagine

2153
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:28,559
Speaker 6: that that would be the case. I mean, obviously there's

2154
01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:29,720
Speaker 6: a budget, but you know what I'm saying, like, I

2155
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:32,600
Speaker 6: don't think that he's there, they're really doing that. I

2156
01:36:32,720 --> 01:36:36,720
Speaker 6: just I'm genuinely curious, Like it's not it's nothing to

2157
01:36:36,760 --> 01:36:38,479
Speaker 6: do with this Hall of Fame candidacy. I'm not saying

2158
01:36:38,479 --> 01:36:40,320
Speaker 6: that he doesn't deserve to be in, but.

2159
01:36:41,240 --> 01:36:44,000
Speaker 3: Especially when he comes out with you know, spending money

2160
01:36:44,040 --> 01:36:46,240
Speaker 3: on players is never going to be an issue. Yeah,

2161
01:36:46,280 --> 01:36:47,479
Speaker 3: you know, so what does that mean?

2162
01:36:48,040 --> 01:36:50,439
Speaker 5: I mean again, I would feel bad if there were

2163
01:36:50,520 --> 01:36:52,760
Speaker 5: players that I felt they should have been spending on

2164
01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:54,519
Speaker 5: that they didn't. And you know, I mean right now,

2165
01:36:54,640 --> 01:36:58,240
Speaker 5: it's like I'd love them to extend somebody, but who

2166
01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:00,920
Speaker 5: do you really feel, like, you know that money has

2167
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:03,280
Speaker 5: to go to, So I just want the problem.

2168
01:37:05,080 --> 01:37:07,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, Robert Craft does not want to just

2169
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Speaker 3: waste money. You know, like everything has to have a

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Speaker 3: value and you know, a true value put to it.

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01:37:14,360 --> 01:37:17,680
Speaker 3: And you know, so he's not there, He's not here

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01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:21,679
Speaker 3: to waste money. But I think in today's market sometimes

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01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:23,560
Speaker 3: you got to extend a little bit well, you know,

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01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:26,639
Speaker 3: and this could be you know, the Hopkins thing could

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01:37:26,680 --> 01:37:28,519
Speaker 3: be one of those cases where just give them a

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01:37:28,520 --> 01:37:29,439
Speaker 3: little action, you know.

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Speaker 4: But there's a lot that goes intoto it.

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01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:33,519
Speaker 5: I mean, I know Bill brought up getting paid nothing

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01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:35,880
Speaker 5: isn't a low level assistant, and I think that that's

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01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:38,560
Speaker 5: probably still you know, a practice that that happens. And

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01:37:38,680 --> 01:37:40,200
Speaker 5: so I mean, I think some of it is tied

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01:37:40,240 --> 01:37:42,640
Speaker 5: to some of that old school kind of stuff that

2183
01:37:42,760 --> 01:37:44,080
Speaker 5: you know, this is kind of how it is. This

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01:37:44,200 --> 01:37:46,719
Speaker 5: is how you earn your stripes. I mean, it builds

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01:37:46,720 --> 01:37:48,880
Speaker 5: an economics major at Wesleyan. So I'm sure that you know,

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01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:52,040
Speaker 5: there is you know, some strategic thinking into it as well.

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01:37:52,120 --> 01:37:52,960
Speaker 4: But I don't know when.

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01:37:52,800 --> 01:37:54,800
Speaker 5: They've had the really good players, the players that you

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01:37:54,920 --> 01:37:56,880
Speaker 5: really how many times over twenty years did you feel

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01:37:56,920 --> 01:37:59,040
Speaker 5: like you lost a player because they just didn't want

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01:37:59,040 --> 01:38:00,880
Speaker 5: to pay him and and and if you just paid him,

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01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:02,639
Speaker 5: it would have worked out. I mean, I don't think

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01:38:02,640 --> 01:38:04,479
Speaker 5: that there are a lot of those examples. You know,

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01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:06,080
Speaker 5: you're able to hang on to Brady the whole time.

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01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:08,760
Speaker 6: You're able to hang There's also zero correlation between real

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01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:11,760
Speaker 6: cash spending and wins, Like the teams that spend the

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01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:14,439
Speaker 6: most don't. It doesn't mean that you're automatically going to win.

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Speaker 6: They will point to that.

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Speaker 3: They will point to that, you know, right, And I

2200
01:38:18,520 --> 01:38:20,479
Speaker 3: think you know, I've talked about it before, this that

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01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:25,080
Speaker 3: locker room structure. You know, sure the pecking order is

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01:38:25,160 --> 01:38:26,920
Speaker 3: part of it too, and not disrupting that.

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01:38:27,160 --> 01:38:30,200
Speaker 4: And you know, but I hate to keep going back

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01:38:30,240 --> 01:38:33,080
Speaker 4: to this point. But again, like when does money become.

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01:38:33,040 --> 01:38:35,080
Speaker 5: A factor with a football team when you have to

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01:38:35,120 --> 01:38:37,560
Speaker 5: go to free agency or you have to retain your players, Like,

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01:38:37,640 --> 01:38:40,000
Speaker 5: that's when money becomes a factor. If you draft well,

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01:38:40,280 --> 01:38:43,559
Speaker 5: if you draft stars, if you draft consistently, it matters

2209
01:38:43,560 --> 01:38:45,960
Speaker 5: a whole lot less about what your concerns about money are,

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01:38:46,040 --> 01:38:48,000
Speaker 5: how much you do or don't want to spend, because

2211
01:38:48,479 --> 01:38:50,840
Speaker 5: you can either a keep the guy or you have

2212
01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:53,000
Speaker 5: confidence in your program that you're going to draft and

2213
01:38:53,040 --> 01:38:53,840
Speaker 5: develop another guy.

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01:38:54,120 --> 01:38:55,040
Speaker 4: You know, to replace him.

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01:38:55,040 --> 01:38:56,920
Speaker 5: I mean, I think the Steelers are a good example

2216
01:38:56,960 --> 01:38:59,360
Speaker 5: of a team that you know, certainly in specific position

2217
01:38:59,439 --> 01:39:01,719
Speaker 5: groups have you know, done a good job of maintaining

2218
01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:03,200
Speaker 5: kind of a high level.

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01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:04,799
Speaker 4: Of of of performance.

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01:39:04,840 --> 01:39:07,240
Speaker 5: And all the prayers that were there and left and

2221
01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:10,000
Speaker 5: you know, Dhan Brown, Juju Smith, Schuster, guys that are

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01:39:10,040 --> 01:39:12,400
Speaker 5: there productive, they lose them and they are able to

2223
01:39:12,479 --> 01:39:14,920
Speaker 5: replace them. So all that money stuff goes out out

2224
01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:16,799
Speaker 5: the window if you're able to draft consistently.

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01:39:17,200 --> 01:39:22,240
Speaker 6: Just like why I I wholeheartedly believe that when Bill

2226
01:39:22,320 --> 01:39:24,960
Speaker 6: goes to mister Craft and says, like we want to

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01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:28,320
Speaker 6: pay DeAndre Hopkins fifteen million dollars, like can you can

2228
01:39:28,360 --> 01:39:31,320
Speaker 6: you write? Can you write the check please? I do

2229
01:39:31,479 --> 01:39:36,640
Speaker 6: not think mister Craft is saying ever. So to me,

2230
01:39:36,760 --> 01:39:39,400
Speaker 6: it's like then it's Bill, right, Like it's Bill that

2231
01:39:39,720 --> 01:39:43,200
Speaker 6: that is trying to, you know, kind of to friend's

2232
01:39:43,240 --> 01:39:45,080
Speaker 6: point about like the hierarchy and like, you know, the

2233
01:39:45,160 --> 01:39:48,320
Speaker 6: structure a certain way and at what point is that

2234
01:39:49,160 --> 01:39:51,560
Speaker 6: not the best way? Right? So I don't know, I

2235
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:52,960
Speaker 6: just see one one.

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Speaker 3: It's a tricky There's one word that Bill feels really important.

2237
01:39:57,120 --> 01:40:00,800
Speaker 3: It's loyalty. Like he's very loyal to those who are

2238
01:40:00,840 --> 01:40:03,799
Speaker 3: loyal to him. And so you bring in a player

2239
01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:06,400
Speaker 3: and you give him a certain amount of money, and

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Speaker 3: you know, he falls into a certain slot, and it's

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01:40:10,040 --> 01:40:12,680
Speaker 3: almost like disloyal if you bring in this guy at

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01:40:12,680 --> 01:40:14,439
Speaker 3: the last minute and all of a sudden he leaped

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01:40:14,479 --> 01:40:16,160
Speaker 3: frogs above everybody.

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01:40:16,280 --> 01:40:16,439
Speaker 14: You know.

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01:40:16,520 --> 01:40:22,200
Speaker 3: I do think that whole thing of the perception of

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01:40:22,360 --> 01:40:25,800
Speaker 3: those that you know are under him is important to him.

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01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:28,559
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, and we saw with Devonte Parker, all

2248
01:40:28,600 --> 01:40:30,840
Speaker 6: these rumors come out about DeAndre Hopkins and the next

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01:40:30,880 --> 01:40:35,000
Speaker 6: week they are paying DeVante Parker. Yeah, so I definitely

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Speaker 6: think it is a fact.

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Speaker 3: I think I think loyalty has always been a big,

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01:40:39,560 --> 01:40:40,479
Speaker 3: big thing for him.

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01:40:40,640 --> 01:40:42,400
Speaker 5: But you just wonder how much it's going to get

2254
01:40:42,439 --> 01:40:45,080
Speaker 5: him in trouble and like the Patricia thing, and I'm yeah,

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Speaker 5: they got.

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Speaker 9: Him in trouble last year. Yeah, loyalty is probably why

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01:40:48,200 --> 01:40:49,080
Speaker 9: no one else was brought in.

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01:40:49,240 --> 01:40:51,880
Speaker 5: I would love, you know, evan truth to him if

2259
01:40:51,880 --> 01:40:53,479
Speaker 5: I could borrow some and give it to mapatus. I

2260
01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:55,160
Speaker 5: just love to know what he thought about last season,

2261
01:40:55,240 --> 01:40:56,840
Speaker 5: what he you know, what he thought was put on

2262
01:40:56,920 --> 01:40:57,320
Speaker 5: his plate?

2263
01:40:57,720 --> 01:40:59,040
Speaker 4: How is it was explained to him?

2264
01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:01,559
Speaker 5: You know, does he feel like he was treated fairly?

2265
01:41:01,680 --> 01:41:03,160
Speaker 5: Was he hung out to dry? Like you know, I

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01:41:03,280 --> 01:41:05,639
Speaker 5: just he got put in such a tough position.

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01:41:06,040 --> 01:41:08,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is, and I'm sure like he feels like

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01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:11,840
Speaker 3: if things and it's different, he could have succeeded, you know,

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01:41:12,040 --> 01:41:12,559
Speaker 3: like did.

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Speaker 4: He want to leave? Did they want to leave? You

2271
01:41:14,520 --> 01:41:15,280
Speaker 4: want to go somewhere else?

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01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:17,400
Speaker 3: But you know, those are that's the kind of thing

2273
01:41:17,439 --> 01:41:20,760
Speaker 3: where in football, like if you don't if you sound

2274
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:22,840
Speaker 3: like you don't know what you're talking about right away,

2275
01:41:23,080 --> 01:41:26,040
Speaker 3: these players they're like dogs. They're like they're not going

2276
01:41:26,120 --> 01:41:29,400
Speaker 3: to follow you if you're not if you don't instill

2277
01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:31,880
Speaker 3: confidence in them that you know what you're talking about,

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01:41:32,240 --> 01:41:33,200
Speaker 3: they don't have time for that.

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Speaker 12: You know.

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01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:35,559
Speaker 3: It's like, don't f with my career.

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Speaker 21: You know.

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01:41:37,120 --> 01:41:38,519
Speaker 6: That's certainly how the quarterback felt.

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01:41:38,680 --> 01:41:42,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you're you're effing with my money, you know.

2284
01:41:42,760 --> 01:41:44,720
Speaker 5: And too it's I mean it's also do you want

2285
01:41:44,760 --> 01:41:47,320
Speaker 5: to have the perception of every shiny thing that comes

2286
01:41:47,360 --> 01:41:49,360
Speaker 5: along you're going to throw a big bunch of money

2287
01:41:49,400 --> 01:41:51,040
Speaker 5: at And I mean I think that that you know

2288
01:41:51,120 --> 01:41:53,280
Speaker 5: as much as like you said, Fred the power structure,

2289
01:41:53,320 --> 01:41:55,920
Speaker 5: But it's it's Daniel Snyder back when he first bought

2290
01:41:55,960 --> 01:41:58,680
Speaker 5: the you know, he that's what they did and they

2291
01:41:58,760 --> 01:41:59,280
Speaker 5: won nothing.

2292
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:04,760
Speaker 3: You know, so it doesn't always work. You need the

2293
01:42:04,840 --> 01:42:06,640
Speaker 3: great coach, you need the quarterback.

2294
01:42:06,960 --> 01:42:08,760
Speaker 4: You know, it's some magic. You need some bouncers to

2295
01:42:08,800 --> 01:42:10,479
Speaker 4: go your way. Yeah, that's like another part of it.

2296
01:42:10,600 --> 01:42:16,719
Speaker 3: That Christian in LA. What's up? Christian? Turn down the Internet?

2297
01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:24,000
Speaker 15: Christian the core part, get m tires scene hear me? Okay, yeah,

2298
01:42:25,160 --> 01:42:27,479
Speaker 15: So I'm going to try to add something to this

2299
01:42:27,600 --> 01:42:31,960
Speaker 15: great debate about Tom Brady's importance to the success of

2300
01:42:32,080 --> 01:42:35,880
Speaker 15: the franchise as opposed to Bill Belichick. I think people

2301
01:42:35,960 --> 01:42:39,600
Speaker 15: are missing the fact that what Tom Brady had to

2302
01:42:39,640 --> 01:42:43,240
Speaker 15: be good at was about two or three things. Reading defenses,

2303
01:42:44,000 --> 01:42:46,080
Speaker 15: players in a position to catch the ball and run,

2304
01:42:46,400 --> 01:42:48,760
Speaker 15: keeping his body intact, and maybe being friendly around the

2305
01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:52,559
Speaker 15: locker room. What Bill Belichick needed to be good great

2306
01:42:52,680 --> 01:42:57,639
Speaker 15: at was developing players, developing towns, developing coaches, maintaining all

2307
01:42:57,720 --> 01:43:02,400
Speaker 15: three of those, keeping a a defensive scheme that was

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01:43:02,520 --> 01:43:05,439
Speaker 15: ever evolving and amongst the best of all time as

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01:43:05,479 --> 01:43:08,160
Speaker 15: far as his schemes going. Being the CEO of a

2310
01:43:08,240 --> 01:43:12,240
Speaker 15: billion dollar franchise, managing the media, oh, and every single

2311
01:43:12,360 --> 01:43:16,760
Speaker 15: ego of you know, young millionaires in the locker room.

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01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:19,320
Speaker 15: But when you take a look at what Tom had

2313
01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:21,439
Speaker 15: to be great at and what Bill had to be

2314
01:43:21,520 --> 01:43:24,759
Speaker 15: great at, there's no comparison. Sure, Tom was the greatest

2315
01:43:24,840 --> 01:43:28,240
Speaker 15: quarterback in the world at reading defenses and throwing the

2316
01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:31,000
Speaker 15: ball to guys in places he positioned them to be at.

2317
01:43:31,520 --> 01:43:33,600
Speaker 15: But in the immortal words of a woman that I

2318
01:43:33,680 --> 01:43:36,880
Speaker 15: don't like to quote, but I will in this specific instance,

2319
01:43:37,560 --> 01:43:40,200
Speaker 15: until Tom Brady started throwing and catching the ball at

2320
01:43:40,200 --> 01:43:43,760
Speaker 15: the same time, everybody else was what he relied on,

2321
01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:46,400
Speaker 15: and everybody else was put on that team, developed and

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01:43:46,520 --> 01:43:47,320
Speaker 15: kept on that team.

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01:43:47,680 --> 01:43:48,639
Speaker 11: By Bill Belichick.

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Speaker 15: I'll leave you with this analogy. It's like, there's this

2325
01:43:52,439 --> 01:43:55,960
Speaker 15: great family that's the ideal families. Mom's doing great, Dad's

2326
01:43:56,000 --> 01:43:57,880
Speaker 15: doing great the case, they're all getting good grades, delivering

2327
01:43:57,920 --> 01:44:01,880
Speaker 15: a million dollar home. Mom leaves that family, and everyone thinks, well,

2328
01:44:01,880 --> 01:44:02,439
Speaker 15: the mother is the.

2329
01:44:03,200 --> 01:44:03,880
Speaker 13: Core of a family.

2330
01:44:04,120 --> 01:44:07,000
Speaker 15: When he leaves, the famous going to get chaotic. Sure

2331
01:44:07,560 --> 01:44:11,280
Speaker 15: mom went to a better husband with a better and

2332
01:44:11,360 --> 01:44:15,679
Speaker 15: bigger house and did well, that's expected. What got left

2333
01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:18,840
Speaker 15: behind was Dad and the kids. Dad managed to get

2334
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:21,479
Speaker 15: the kid B's and be pluses. I don't think there's

2335
01:44:21,479 --> 01:44:23,240
Speaker 15: anyone in the world that would say that family's not

2336
01:44:23,320 --> 01:44:26,679
Speaker 15: still doing great. Tom Brady didn't go to a team

2337
01:44:26,920 --> 01:44:29,559
Speaker 15: that didn't have good players, didn't have a great defense,

2338
01:44:29,720 --> 01:44:31,560
Speaker 15: and didn't have a good coaching, and didn't have a

2339
01:44:31,640 --> 01:44:34,920
Speaker 15: good organization. He went to a team that had great defense,

2340
01:44:35,320 --> 01:44:39,280
Speaker 15: even better offensive weapons, a coach that was just as

2341
01:44:39,360 --> 01:44:43,519
Speaker 15: good or renowned just as much as Bill Belichick, and

2342
01:44:43,520 --> 01:44:45,760
Speaker 15: an organization that was willing to bend over back was

2343
01:44:45,800 --> 01:44:50,439
Speaker 15: to do exactly what Tom Brady needed to continue his greatness. Yeah,

2344
01:44:50,520 --> 01:44:53,200
Speaker 15: so when you come down to what it took to

2345
01:44:53,280 --> 01:44:57,000
Speaker 15: make the organization great, when you look at what happened

2346
01:44:57,040 --> 01:44:59,919
Speaker 15: even over the last four years, I think most franchise

2347
01:45:00,080 --> 01:45:03,519
Speaker 15: will take two playoffs in four years, but most of

2348
01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:06,759
Speaker 15: them that's more than their franchisers have accomplished in decades.

2349
01:45:07,160 --> 01:45:10,120
Speaker 15: A team like Dallas, a team like the Vikings. So

2350
01:45:10,600 --> 01:45:13,920
Speaker 15: layoff of what what what you're saying Bill Belichick hasn't

2351
01:45:13,960 --> 01:45:16,599
Speaker 15: done since Tom left, and what Tom has done since

2352
01:45:16,640 --> 01:45:19,280
Speaker 15: he left going to a better team with more offensive.

2353
01:45:18,920 --> 01:45:22,639
Speaker 3: Well, thanks, I'll push back a little bit about Brady

2354
01:45:22,720 --> 01:45:25,400
Speaker 3: going to Tampa. If you recall that year before Tampa

2355
01:45:25,920 --> 01:45:29,720
Speaker 3: had underperformed. Their culture was a mess, and one of

2356
01:45:29,800 --> 01:45:32,960
Speaker 3: the things that Brady did right away was he came

2357
01:45:33,040 --> 01:45:35,599
Speaker 3: in as the alpha dog and he changed that culture.

2358
01:45:35,640 --> 01:45:38,639
Speaker 3: And Bruce arians even admitted it, he's the head coach

2359
01:45:39,040 --> 01:45:40,920
Speaker 3: that he changed our culture.

2360
01:45:41,720 --> 01:45:41,880
Speaker 14: You know.

2361
01:45:41,960 --> 01:45:43,800
Speaker 3: So you've got to give Brady credit for that too,

2362
01:45:44,240 --> 01:45:47,759
Speaker 3: because that that team, with pretty much the same cast

2363
01:45:47,800 --> 01:45:51,160
Speaker 3: of characters had underperformed the year before.

2364
01:45:51,640 --> 01:45:53,160
Speaker 4: You know, so COVID helped too.

2365
01:45:53,479 --> 01:45:57,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, Bill, I kind of like the analogy though

2366
01:45:58,000 --> 01:45:59,920
Speaker 6: I was following it was there's a.

2367
01:46:03,680 --> 01:46:06,720
Speaker 9: Tom left our dad for a richerd guy.

2368
01:46:06,840 --> 01:46:07,719
Speaker 8: It's very simple.

2369
01:46:08,080 --> 01:46:10,240
Speaker 6: Well he did the sandwich l so it's cool.

2370
01:46:10,360 --> 01:46:12,320
Speaker 4: Well, if the kids could play football, then we would

2371
01:46:12,320 --> 01:46:13,479
Speaker 4: have been we would have been better.

2372
01:46:14,600 --> 01:46:19,639
Speaker 3: Amir from Israel says regarding the bi weekly rant from

2373
01:46:19,680 --> 01:46:22,920
Speaker 3: William in company. Like Evan said, welcome to the rest

2374
01:46:22,960 --> 01:46:25,400
Speaker 3: of the NFL. The things you blame Bill on are

2375
01:46:25,479 --> 01:46:28,639
Speaker 3: not exclusive to the Patriots. Can't draft receivers. How many

2376
01:46:28,680 --> 01:46:31,800
Speaker 3: good receivers have the Ravens drafted recently? Issues with the

2377
01:46:31,880 --> 01:46:34,040
Speaker 3: O line. I watched a lot of football last year.

2378
01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:36,799
Speaker 3: I think eighty percent of the teams have O line issues,

2379
01:46:37,080 --> 01:46:40,160
Speaker 3: The offense is missing weapons. Take the Bills offense, remove

2380
01:46:40,240 --> 01:46:43,840
Speaker 3: digs and you will uh and and will you like

2381
01:46:44,200 --> 01:46:46,479
Speaker 3: to make a switch with their wide receivers, their tight

2382
01:46:46,640 --> 01:46:49,280
Speaker 3: ends running back. It all boils down to having the

2383
01:46:49,400 --> 01:46:52,920
Speaker 3: franchise quarterback, which are extremely hard to find. Until you

2384
01:46:53,040 --> 01:46:56,000
Speaker 3: find a true game change of quarterback, you won't be great.

2385
01:46:56,439 --> 01:46:59,200
Speaker 6: So the pushback that I'll have on that is that

2386
01:46:59,640 --> 01:47:02,240
Speaker 6: I think you can do it without the franchise quarterback,

2387
01:47:02,280 --> 01:47:03,800
Speaker 6: but you can't do it the way they're doing it

2388
01:47:03,960 --> 01:47:07,120
Speaker 6: without the franchise quarterback because San Francisco is in a

2389
01:47:07,160 --> 01:47:10,200
Speaker 6: super Bowl and then was Brock Party injury away from

2390
01:47:10,240 --> 01:47:14,320
Speaker 6: maybe being in another Super Bowl without with Jimmy Garoppolo and.

2391
01:47:14,360 --> 01:47:17,320
Speaker 4: Brock Party right, and elite scheme and weapons.

2392
01:47:17,200 --> 01:47:20,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, elite scheme and weapons, And yes, I think that

2393
01:47:20,520 --> 01:47:24,479
Speaker 6: the easiest path is certainly by landing Patrick Mahomes. Like

2394
01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:27,080
Speaker 6: if you get Patrick Mahomes and everything else can just

2395
01:47:27,160 --> 01:47:29,880
Speaker 6: be what it is, and it's definitely the easiest way

2396
01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:32,360
Speaker 6: to go about it. But you can you can be

2397
01:47:32,720 --> 01:47:36,519
Speaker 6: a Super Bowl contender without Patrick Mahomes. You just need

2398
01:47:36,640 --> 01:47:39,720
Speaker 6: to build the roster up around him and and San

2399
01:47:39,720 --> 01:47:42,200
Speaker 6: Francisco has been doing that for what going on four

2400
01:47:42,280 --> 01:47:44,880
Speaker 6: or five years now. So they're a team that I

2401
01:47:45,040 --> 01:47:47,519
Speaker 6: always use as an example, Like even the Eagles team

2402
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:49,680
Speaker 6: of the Patriots last year, Nick Foles takes over for

2403
01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:51,680
Speaker 6: Carson Wentz and they still win the Super Bowl. Like

2404
01:47:51,760 --> 01:47:54,759
Speaker 6: those are those are teams that did it without having

2405
01:47:55,320 --> 01:47:57,599
Speaker 6: Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow.

2406
01:47:57,680 --> 01:48:00,439
Speaker 4: Even so you think it's more Patrick Mahomes Andy Reid.

2407
01:48:00,479 --> 01:48:02,400
Speaker 4: Is that what he's trying to say. I don't know

2408
01:48:03,200 --> 01:48:04,680
Speaker 4: have we gotten to that point in the Chiefs yet,

2409
01:48:04,720 --> 01:48:06,320
Speaker 4: but I think you have to carry each other apart

2410
01:48:06,400 --> 01:48:08,120
Speaker 4: trying to figure out who. You have to pick a road.

2411
01:48:08,200 --> 01:48:09,519
Speaker 8: I haven't even broken up yet.

2412
01:48:09,720 --> 01:48:11,120
Speaker 6: You have to pick a road if you're gonna have

2413
01:48:11,240 --> 01:48:12,760
Speaker 6: the if you're gonna have the Brock Parties and the

2414
01:48:12,840 --> 01:48:14,200
Speaker 6: Jimmy Garoppolos the world.

2415
01:48:14,040 --> 01:48:16,479
Speaker 5: At quarterback, Go get Christian McCaffrey, right, You got to

2416
01:48:16,479 --> 01:48:18,559
Speaker 5: make sure that they have everything around him.

2417
01:48:18,640 --> 01:48:20,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, which is I guess a point for your Dalvin

2418
01:48:20,720 --> 01:48:21,320
Speaker 4: Cook argument.

2419
01:48:21,960 --> 01:48:25,400
Speaker 3: Neil says, Grover is the greatest, is very sweet.

2420
01:48:25,439 --> 01:48:26,000
Speaker 22: I like Grover.

2421
01:48:26,479 --> 01:48:27,040
Speaker 4: That's one.

2422
01:48:27,680 --> 01:48:31,080
Speaker 3: Let's go to Gerald in Las Vegas. What's up Gerald?

2423
01:48:32,920 --> 01:48:34,160
Speaker 13: Hey, guys, I was just.

2424
01:48:35,200 --> 01:48:38,320
Speaker 26: When it comes down to the whole Patriots and Tom

2425
01:48:38,439 --> 01:48:39,280
Speaker 26: versus build.

2426
01:48:39,080 --> 01:48:41,320
Speaker 11: Thing, I see it this way.

2427
01:48:41,439 --> 01:48:42,599
Speaker 14: If it wentn't for Bill.

2428
01:48:42,560 --> 01:48:45,320
Speaker 13: Drafting Tom and given Tom the opportunity, you would never

2429
01:48:45,400 --> 01:48:48,680
Speaker 13: know if Tom it would be become as successful as

2430
01:48:48,720 --> 01:48:49,040
Speaker 13: it was.

2431
01:48:50,080 --> 01:48:52,800
Speaker 26: And that's and then the whole DeAndre.

2432
01:48:52,479 --> 01:48:56,000
Speaker 13: Hopkins thing, I'm with it. If they get them they not,

2433
01:48:56,360 --> 01:48:59,400
Speaker 13: I'm okay what we got. It's just time to put

2434
01:48:59,479 --> 01:49:02,000
Speaker 13: up and show up everybody that we can actually play

2435
01:49:02,040 --> 01:49:02,760
Speaker 13: football this year.

2436
01:49:03,320 --> 01:49:06,080
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, ye, well I do, I mean I do

2437
01:49:06,200 --> 01:49:08,280
Speaker 5: think that that's you know, and it's such a layered

2438
01:49:08,320 --> 01:49:10,120
Speaker 5: thing and we break it down into sports radio. But

2439
01:49:10,320 --> 01:49:12,600
Speaker 5: you know the fact that that Tom I mean I

2440
01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:15,000
Speaker 5: picked fine. I mean any team could have picked him

2441
01:49:15,120 --> 01:49:19,000
Speaker 5: through six rounds basically. But the access that Tom Brady

2442
01:49:19,080 --> 01:49:19,320
Speaker 5: had to.

2443
01:49:19,360 --> 01:49:21,880
Speaker 4: Bill Belichick's mind of the game and you know how

2444
01:49:21,920 --> 01:49:25,719
Speaker 4: Bill Belichick's's defenses and you know, having weekly Tuesday meetings

2445
01:49:26,160 --> 01:49:28,680
Speaker 4: with a coach who has seen everything there is to

2446
01:49:28,800 --> 01:49:30,840
Speaker 4: see in the league. Like, you can't tell me that

2447
01:49:31,000 --> 01:49:34,439
Speaker 4: that wasn't a huge part in making Tom Brady who

2448
01:49:34,479 --> 01:49:34,760
Speaker 4: he was.

2449
01:49:34,880 --> 01:49:38,439
Speaker 5: Not to take anything away from Tom Brady again, I

2450
01:49:38,479 --> 01:49:41,200
Speaker 5: always have to well, you just but you know, like

2451
01:49:41,320 --> 01:49:43,000
Speaker 5: what he did in the clutch, like that's not Bill.

2452
01:49:43,040 --> 01:49:45,040
Speaker 5: I mean some of the preparation is like he knows

2453
01:49:45,080 --> 01:49:47,439
Speaker 5: what's coming, he knows, you know, he feels prepared to

2454
01:49:47,720 --> 01:49:49,960
Speaker 5: deliver in the clutch. But you know, those things are

2455
01:49:50,040 --> 01:49:51,720
Speaker 5: those things are unique to him as well as is

2456
01:49:52,600 --> 01:49:53,840
Speaker 5: you know, just undeniable work.

2457
01:49:53,880 --> 01:49:57,040
Speaker 4: Ethleic that the guy is absolutely psychopath when it comes

2458
01:49:57,080 --> 01:49:58,720
Speaker 4: to training for football, and that's you know a big

2459
01:49:58,760 --> 01:49:59,200
Speaker 4: part of it too.

2460
01:49:59,360 --> 01:50:01,640
Speaker 6: I think one of the more like balls decisions in

2461
01:50:01,800 --> 01:50:05,240
Speaker 6: NFL history was picking Tom over Drew Bledsoe, Like when

2462
01:50:05,280 --> 01:50:08,800
Speaker 6: you really think about that, like picking a six round

2463
01:50:08,880 --> 01:50:11,639
Speaker 6: quarterback that couldn't even really start for his college team

2464
01:50:12,240 --> 01:50:15,160
Speaker 6: over a number former number one overall picker you just

2465
01:50:15,240 --> 01:50:18,519
Speaker 6: handed a huge contract to and all these types of things.

2466
01:50:18,760 --> 01:50:20,840
Speaker 6: It was at that point Drew was by far the

2467
01:50:20,960 --> 01:50:23,559
Speaker 6: best quarterback in Patriots history. Like I had no offense

2468
01:50:23,560 --> 01:50:25,640
Speaker 6: to see Grogan, but like I think that that's like

2469
01:50:25,760 --> 01:50:29,519
Speaker 6: not an argument, and he had to wear withal to

2470
01:50:30,040 --> 01:50:31,920
Speaker 6: stick to his guns and trust his eyes.

2471
01:50:32,200 --> 01:50:35,240
Speaker 3: But I think at that point it was an easy decision.

2472
01:50:35,400 --> 01:50:38,479
Speaker 4: They were on a roll, right, Like you're saying, middle

2473
01:50:38,479 --> 01:50:38,840
Speaker 4: of the season.

2474
01:50:38,920 --> 01:50:40,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they were they were going to be

2475
01:50:40,600 --> 01:50:44,280
Speaker 3: zero and two with both and they had been terrible

2476
01:50:44,360 --> 01:50:46,639
Speaker 3: the year before, and I know they had a terrible roster,

2477
01:50:47,120 --> 01:50:51,800
Speaker 3: but there was something happening with Brady. And what Bill

2478
01:50:51,960 --> 01:50:54,880
Speaker 3: sees that we don't see is how the practices were

2479
01:50:54,960 --> 01:50:57,120
Speaker 3: going and how the other players were reacting.

2480
01:50:57,120 --> 01:50:59,760
Speaker 6: Well, that's why if I would love to ask Bill, like,

2481
01:51:00,640 --> 01:51:02,640
Speaker 6: what was your moment where it was like, all right,

2482
01:51:02,720 --> 01:51:04,840
Speaker 6: Tom Brady is the guy, because like, did it come

2483
01:51:04,960 --> 01:51:06,880
Speaker 6: down to like the final drive in the Super Bowl

2484
01:51:06,920 --> 01:51:08,479
Speaker 6: when he put him in field goal ranger? Then he

2485
01:51:08,600 --> 01:51:10,439
Speaker 6: was like, well now he can't go back, like you know,

2486
01:51:10,760 --> 01:51:12,120
Speaker 6: because what was the moment?

2487
01:51:12,160 --> 01:51:14,040
Speaker 5: I mean, an interesting a quote that I dug up

2488
01:51:14,040 --> 01:51:15,799
Speaker 5: when I did that the two thousand and one podcast

2489
01:51:16,000 --> 01:51:18,960
Speaker 5: was Bill himself saying that we had real quarterback problems

2490
01:51:19,000 --> 01:51:22,200
Speaker 5: in camp, Like in camp they were unhappy with Bloodsoe

2491
01:51:22,280 --> 01:51:23,040
Speaker 5: and how it was going.

2492
01:51:23,160 --> 01:51:24,800
Speaker 4: And I mean I think that was right into the

2493
01:51:25,240 --> 01:51:25,680
Speaker 4: first game.

2494
01:51:25,720 --> 01:51:27,519
Speaker 5: I mean, they're going against that Jets team they can't

2495
01:51:27,600 --> 01:51:30,200
Speaker 5: even move the ball or score on any points before

2496
01:51:30,200 --> 01:51:33,200
Speaker 5: Blood Sell. But I mean I totally live your point though,

2497
01:51:33,200 --> 01:51:34,840
Speaker 5: And I mean it's always interesting to me to hear

2498
01:51:34,880 --> 01:51:37,800
Speaker 5: from Paul who started as a Drew Bloodsoe super fan

2499
01:51:37,920 --> 01:51:39,840
Speaker 5: and then came into this job. And you know, even

2500
01:51:39,920 --> 01:51:42,400
Speaker 5: he was on board with that switch by the time

2501
01:51:42,479 --> 01:51:44,400
Speaker 5: it happened, which we know he's you know, pretty stubborn.

2502
01:51:44,479 --> 01:51:45,920
Speaker 5: It has to you know, it'd have to be real

2503
01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:47,320
Speaker 5: for him to make that switch.

2504
01:51:47,120 --> 01:51:47,519
Speaker 4: And he did.

2505
01:51:48,560 --> 01:51:51,720
Speaker 5: But growing up here, when bloodso came it was like

2506
01:51:51,800 --> 01:51:54,880
Speaker 5: the Patriots came alive, and you know that it's it

2507
01:51:54,960 --> 01:51:55,320
Speaker 5: still is.

2508
01:51:55,520 --> 01:51:56,880
Speaker 4: I mean, I totally see what you're.

2509
01:51:56,720 --> 01:51:58,840
Speaker 5: Saying though about just how how do you go from

2510
01:51:59,240 --> 01:52:01,479
Speaker 5: a ten year, one undred million dollar contract to like,

2511
01:52:01,880 --> 01:52:03,799
Speaker 5: you know, seven months later you're.

2512
01:52:03,640 --> 01:52:06,560
Speaker 3: Probably I think, frankly, I think the decision to go

2513
01:52:06,760 --> 01:52:09,800
Speaker 3: from Cozar to Testa Verdi was a tougher decision than

2514
01:52:09,840 --> 01:52:13,040
Speaker 3: it was to go at that time from Bloodsoe to Brady.

2515
01:52:13,240 --> 01:52:15,960
Speaker 5: I mean, it's it's creed point though, it's just it's inescapable.

2516
01:52:16,000 --> 01:52:18,320
Speaker 5: I think about Josh McDaniels too, having to make similar

2517
01:52:18,400 --> 01:52:20,519
Speaker 5: kind of decisions where you have a quarterback and you

2518
01:52:20,560 --> 01:52:22,920
Speaker 5: don't I mean, to Evan's point, it's it's hard and

2519
01:52:22,960 --> 01:52:26,000
Speaker 5: there's no really like easy answers. Usually, like even the

2520
01:52:26,080 --> 01:52:28,240
Speaker 5: decision to stick with Brady could have been he could

2521
01:52:28,240 --> 01:52:29,519
Speaker 5: have been a flash in the pan and you said,

2522
01:52:29,560 --> 01:52:31,080
Speaker 5: Drew to the Bills and all of a sudden, the

2523
01:52:31,080 --> 01:52:33,240
Speaker 5: Patriots are getting camera by the Bills, like just go.

2524
01:52:33,560 --> 01:52:36,559
Speaker 3: After the super Bowl and the Patriots extended him. People

2525
01:52:36,680 --> 01:52:39,080
Speaker 3: were still like a little.

2526
01:52:38,840 --> 01:52:41,839
Speaker 5: Too early for that, you know, through like one touchdown

2527
01:52:41,880 --> 01:52:43,200
Speaker 5: pass in the playoff, you know, like I mean, you

2528
01:52:43,280 --> 01:52:45,240
Speaker 5: could if you wanted to highlight it the right way

2529
01:52:45,320 --> 01:52:47,200
Speaker 5: with that playoff run, you could probably talk yourself.

2530
01:52:47,240 --> 01:52:49,080
Speaker 6: And I just feel like it would have been, in

2531
01:52:49,240 --> 01:52:51,759
Speaker 6: my eyes, like the easier decision would have been sticking

2532
01:52:51,840 --> 01:52:57,240
Speaker 6: with Drew because he was the proven again, right and

2533
01:52:57,400 --> 01:53:00,320
Speaker 6: so to have to have the guts to stick to

2534
01:53:00,479 --> 01:53:02,680
Speaker 6: it and stick to the path. And I'd also just say,

2535
01:53:02,720 --> 01:53:06,920
Speaker 6: you know, like my opinion on on Belichick's hand in

2536
01:53:07,000 --> 01:53:10,880
Speaker 6: Brady's development, uh really changed when you hear Brady talk

2537
01:53:11,240 --> 01:53:13,840
Speaker 6: about it and about what you know, he was on

2538
01:53:14,040 --> 01:53:17,080
Speaker 6: something recently where he started tearing up, like talking about

2539
01:53:17,640 --> 01:53:20,439
Speaker 6: like what Bill early in the early years. He always

2540
01:53:20,479 --> 01:53:22,719
Speaker 6: references the early years. He doesn't really talk too much.

2541
01:53:22,640 --> 01:53:24,519
Speaker 4: About the because then he was probably on his own program.

2542
01:53:24,720 --> 01:53:27,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, but the early years you know, just talking

2543
01:53:27,280 --> 01:53:31,160
Speaker 6: about how he had like this like mister Miagi character

2544
01:53:31,640 --> 01:53:34,280
Speaker 6: who just like took him under the wing and showed

2545
01:53:34,360 --> 01:53:37,600
Speaker 6: him every single thing like how to be an NFL quarterback.

2546
01:53:37,680 --> 01:53:40,600
Speaker 6: And and Tommy obviously took it from there and and

2547
01:53:40,720 --> 01:53:43,200
Speaker 6: made it made it what it was. But I think

2548
01:53:43,400 --> 01:53:45,519
Speaker 6: if the man himself is telling you how much Bill

2549
01:53:45,840 --> 01:53:47,400
Speaker 6: meant to his development, then he got it to.

2550
01:53:47,520 --> 01:53:49,840
Speaker 4: You know, that's not how I see.

2551
01:53:50,560 --> 01:53:52,200
Speaker 5: But you know, what I was just saying is tie

2552
01:53:52,240 --> 01:53:54,679
Speaker 5: it though back to you know what you're saying earlier

2553
01:53:54,880 --> 01:53:57,640
Speaker 5: about Bill's kind of philosophy of team building, and you

2554
01:53:57,760 --> 01:54:00,679
Speaker 5: look at the difference between the quarterback that Drew Bledsoe

2555
01:54:00,760 --> 01:54:02,600
Speaker 5: was in the quarterback that Tom Brady was, and I

2556
01:54:02,640 --> 01:54:04,080
Speaker 5: think when you look at it kind of through the

2557
01:54:04,120 --> 01:54:06,400
Speaker 5: lens of what you talked about of his philosophies of

2558
01:54:06,479 --> 01:54:10,439
Speaker 5: team building, we have a tall, immobile quarterback who certainly

2559
01:54:10,479 --> 01:54:12,439
Speaker 5: has a great arm, but is not always going to

2560
01:54:12,479 --> 01:54:14,240
Speaker 5: make the best decisions and it's going to probably be

2561
01:54:14,320 --> 01:54:15,920
Speaker 5: bombs away and it's going to be hit or miss

2562
01:54:16,479 --> 01:54:19,240
Speaker 5: or I got this other guy who you know, he's

2563
01:54:19,240 --> 01:54:21,080
Speaker 5: a six round pick. He's always going to kind of

2564
01:54:21,080 --> 01:54:22,680
Speaker 5: be a little bit wide eyed about being a six

2565
01:54:22,800 --> 01:54:24,760
Speaker 5: round pick, and he makes the right decisions and he

2566
01:54:24,800 --> 01:54:26,679
Speaker 5: gets the ball where I wanted to go every single time,

2567
01:54:26,720 --> 01:54:28,840
Speaker 5: you know, so I think, yeah, tying it all together,

2568
01:54:28,960 --> 01:54:31,599
Speaker 5: it's like, right, I said, kind of see why, Yeah,

2569
01:54:31,920 --> 01:54:32,200
Speaker 5: it's so.

2570
01:54:32,320 --> 01:54:35,800
Speaker 3: I I hear what you're saying. But I don't think

2571
01:54:35,880 --> 01:54:38,320
Speaker 3: it took a lot of guts. And you know, the

2572
01:54:38,400 --> 01:54:41,760
Speaker 3: crafts like Bledsoe was considered like the fifth son, you know,

2573
01:54:41,840 --> 01:54:44,720
Speaker 3: the whole you know, Robert really has still does has

2574
01:54:44,760 --> 01:54:47,600
Speaker 3: a lot of offensive prince from Bledsoe. And I remember

2575
01:54:47,680 --> 01:54:49,840
Speaker 3: at the time, you know, when the decision was made,

2576
01:54:49,880 --> 01:54:51,680
Speaker 3: I didn't hear one word.

2577
01:54:51,720 --> 01:54:52,320
Speaker 4: Oh no, they didn't.

2578
01:54:55,400 --> 01:54:58,520
Speaker 3: All everybody was all in on that decision. That was

2579
01:54:58,640 --> 01:55:02,320
Speaker 3: not There was no vibe uh with that decision.

2580
01:55:02,400 --> 01:55:03,400
Speaker 4: Truly such a great guy too.

2581
01:55:03,400 --> 01:55:05,120
Speaker 5: I mean it's like football is one thing, but just

2582
01:55:05,280 --> 01:55:07,200
Speaker 5: even the guy that he was and is and how

2583
01:55:07,240 --> 01:55:09,200
Speaker 5: much he's still beloved. I mean, that's my favorite thing,

2584
01:55:09,320 --> 01:55:12,080
Speaker 5: is just that Patriots Nation has embraced him and he

2585
01:55:12,400 --> 01:55:14,800
Speaker 5: always has a special place at the table for what

2586
01:55:14,880 --> 01:55:15,200
Speaker 5: he meant to.

2587
01:55:15,400 --> 01:55:18,320
Speaker 3: Oh listen, Bloodsoe like was huge, Like you said, he

2588
01:55:18,560 --> 01:55:21,960
Speaker 3: was the best quarterback on this team ever up to

2589
01:55:22,080 --> 01:55:24,520
Speaker 3: the point that Brady got here, you know, and by far,

2590
01:55:25,160 --> 01:55:26,040
Speaker 3: by far, you.

2591
01:55:26,040 --> 01:55:27,680
Speaker 5: Sat two games in the early nineties and then all

2592
01:55:27,720 --> 01:55:29,960
Speaker 5: of a sudden you have this tall quarterback throwing bombs

2593
01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:32,040
Speaker 5: all over the play shows up and beats Dan Marino, Like,

2594
01:55:32,640 --> 01:55:33,640
Speaker 5: oh yeah.

2595
01:55:33,880 --> 01:55:37,960
Speaker 3: I mean other and other than and other than Ben Coates.

2596
01:55:37,960 --> 01:55:39,080
Speaker 3: It's not like he had.

2597
01:55:41,000 --> 01:55:41,240
Speaker 13: Terry.

2598
01:55:43,600 --> 01:55:46,120
Speaker 4: I Troy was not back then.

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Speaker 6: No, but I do really appreciate what saying that that

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01:55:50,200 --> 01:55:53,520
Speaker 6: Patriots Nation really has seemed to embrace Drew like.

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01:55:53,720 --> 01:55:55,480
Speaker 4: He's like it's never right there with him. He's like

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01:55:55,520 --> 01:55:56,240
Speaker 4: part of the Diamonds.

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01:55:56,280 --> 01:56:00,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's never been like any sort of negative we

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01:56:00,280 --> 01:56:02,160
Speaker 6: got rid of use. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.

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Speaker 3: Troy's in Virginia. What's up, Troy?

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01:56:05,880 --> 01:56:07,720
Speaker 4: Troy Brown, Troy, how are you doing?

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01:56:07,840 --> 01:56:08,000
Speaker 3: Good?

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01:56:08,080 --> 01:56:08,680
Speaker 4: Good at Troy?

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Speaker 26: For one, thank you, and I'm a big fan, especially

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01:56:14,560 --> 01:56:16,840
Speaker 26: on Cast twenty two coming up.

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Speaker 11: I would.

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Speaker 15: Yes, I would like to put you know, light.

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01:56:22,000 --> 01:56:22,760
Speaker 11: On the situation.

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01:56:23,680 --> 01:56:26,680
Speaker 26: It's gonna get worse before it gets better. We've been

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01:56:26,760 --> 01:56:30,680
Speaker 26: filling that ever since Tom Brady left. But this is

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01:56:30,840 --> 01:56:36,280
Speaker 26: mac Jones pretty much third time dealing with working with

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01:56:36,400 --> 01:56:41,640
Speaker 26: another coordinator when we lost Tom Brady. Of course that

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01:56:41,800 --> 01:56:43,000
Speaker 26: we had to work with.

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01:56:45,040 --> 01:56:45,600
Speaker 13: Cam Newton.

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01:56:46,760 --> 01:56:48,920
Speaker 26: Cam Newton new into the system, had to.

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01:56:48,960 --> 01:56:49,440
Speaker 12: Work through it.

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01:56:50,360 --> 01:56:52,960
Speaker 26: Cam Newton didn't work out. Now we have Matt Jones,

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01:56:53,080 --> 01:56:56,920
Speaker 26: but we lost Josh and Daniels the year after that.

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01:56:57,320 --> 01:56:59,800
Speaker 26: Yet we was able to see how mac Jones worked

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01:57:00,040 --> 01:57:04,040
Speaker 26: as a offensive coordinator. So now that we do have

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01:57:04,200 --> 01:57:08,520
Speaker 26: an offensive coordinator now and the roster did get better

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01:57:08,600 --> 01:57:12,000
Speaker 26: from last year on the offensive end, we still kind

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01:57:12,000 --> 01:57:15,760
Speaker 26: of shaky on the O line, but we have to

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01:57:15,840 --> 01:57:19,440
Speaker 26: trust in the process. We've been sitting in this seat

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Speaker 26: ever since we lost Tom, you know, Tom Brady, but

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01:57:22,840 --> 01:57:26,120
Speaker 26: we just have to trust in the process. It gets

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01:57:26,160 --> 01:57:28,240
Speaker 26: better before it gets worse, and then when we're starting to.

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Speaker 17: See to get better again.

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01:57:30,160 --> 01:57:32,840
Speaker 26: So we just gotta have patience and we see what

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01:57:32,960 --> 01:57:34,840
Speaker 26: was rocking during training camp.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Thanks Troy, Thanks Troy, thanks for listening.

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01:57:38,360 --> 01:57:42,080
Speaker 3: Thanks Troy. Good call. Let's go to Jody and Georgia,

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01:57:42,160 --> 01:57:45,000
Speaker 3: who will finish finish up the show. What's up? Jody?

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01:57:45,520 --> 01:57:46,160
Speaker 27: Hey, what's going on?

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Speaker 20: Guys?

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01:57:46,560 --> 01:57:46,720
Speaker 12: Hey?

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01:57:48,000 --> 01:57:50,720
Speaker 27: Hey, I just wanted to bring up something that I

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01:57:50,800 --> 01:57:52,800
Speaker 27: feel like kind of gets overshadowed a little bit with

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01:57:52,920 --> 01:57:56,960
Speaker 27: the offense last year, Bill and Figures have always been

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01:57:57,000 --> 01:58:02,040
Speaker 27: known for like discipline, but we had so many penalties

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01:58:02,120 --> 01:58:04,160
Speaker 27: that just like fizzled out, so many drives and stuff

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01:58:04,240 --> 01:58:06,440
Speaker 27: last year, just when you get all's avenue on, why

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01:58:06,440 --> 01:58:08,080
Speaker 27: do you think that was? Do you think it was

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01:58:08,120 --> 01:58:10,680
Speaker 27: because of the offensive coordinators and just the way the

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01:58:10,720 --> 01:58:13,680
Speaker 27: offenses ran or it's kind of good drive?

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01:58:13,840 --> 01:58:16,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I think I do think it's significant.

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01:58:16,320 --> 01:58:18,400
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, people call in to talk about

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01:58:18,480 --> 01:58:21,160
Speaker 5: like some of the sloppiness, like thanks Jody, I do.

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01:58:21,320 --> 01:58:23,160
Speaker 5: I mean, I'd connect most of it's just everybody not

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01:58:23,280 --> 01:58:24,040
Speaker 5: being on the same page.

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01:58:24,080 --> 01:58:24,480
Speaker 4: And I think that.

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01:58:26,160 --> 01:58:29,000
Speaker 6: We saw it in training camp, like guys like lining

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01:58:29,120 --> 01:58:33,160
Speaker 6: up incorrectly and or like illegal formation flags and those

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01:58:33,280 --> 01:58:35,480
Speaker 6: joint practices and you just see the ref on the

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01:58:35,560 --> 01:58:37,320
Speaker 6: sideline just throw the flag up there.

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01:58:37,640 --> 01:58:39,240
Speaker 4: Not coordinating, not coordinating.

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01:58:39,320 --> 01:58:42,480
Speaker 3: It was I've never seen, like in my twenty eight years,

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01:58:42,960 --> 01:58:46,040
Speaker 3: I'd never seen a training camp offense like that. And

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01:58:46,240 --> 01:58:48,200
Speaker 3: you know, I just kept saying, they'll figure it out,

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01:58:48,240 --> 01:58:50,200
Speaker 3: you know, with new coordinator, they'll figure it out, and

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01:58:50,240 --> 01:58:53,320
Speaker 3: they never really did. But it didn't look good from

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01:58:53,360 --> 01:58:55,600
Speaker 3: the beginning, and it was it was just a parent

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01:58:55,680 --> 01:58:56,600
Speaker 3: and it was a parent, And.

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01:58:56,600 --> 01:58:58,200
Speaker 5: I would say too, because I went back and looked

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01:58:58,240 --> 01:59:01,000
Speaker 5: at my notes I kept from last years, like OTAs

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01:59:01,040 --> 01:59:03,280
Speaker 5: and everything, and you know, hard to tell a lot

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01:59:03,320 --> 01:59:05,800
Speaker 5: from the OTA mini camp stuff, but you know a

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01:59:05,880 --> 01:59:07,800
Speaker 5: lot of the same themes. And I know Paul says, oh,

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01:59:07,840 --> 01:59:09,400
Speaker 5: we didn't know until training camp. We I think we

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01:59:09,480 --> 01:59:11,720
Speaker 5: had some glimpses of even in OTAs, and so I

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01:59:11,720 --> 01:59:13,120
Speaker 5: don't want to pump it up too much, but I

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01:59:13,120 --> 01:59:16,280
Speaker 5: would just say, in these OTAs, it just looked like

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01:59:16,320 --> 01:59:17,040
Speaker 5: they were functioning.

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01:59:17,080 --> 01:59:19,360
Speaker 4: They were on the same page, coordinated.

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01:59:19,880 --> 01:59:23,240
Speaker 3: Wasn't on the ground, you know, Yeah, yeah, all right,

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01:59:23,280 --> 01:59:24,720
Speaker 3: Well that's going to do it for this edition of

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01:59:24,760 --> 01:59:29,960
Speaker 3: Patriots Unfiltered. Appreciate everyone calling, writing, listening. Coming up next

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01:59:30,200 --> 01:59:33,880
Speaker 3: is Evan and Alex with Catch twenty two, so we'll

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01:59:33,920 --> 01:59:37,000
Speaker 3: hear a little bit more from evans encounter with Matt

2685
01:59:37,160 --> 01:59:41,920
Speaker 3: Jones yesterday, I'm sure, and next week, remember they had

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01:59:42,000 --> 01:59:46,640
Speaker 3: their special training camp FAQ. But until then, we'll see

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01:59:46,640 --> 01:59:47,360
Speaker 3: you next Tuesday.

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