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Speaker 1: It is Tuesday, August tenth, twenty twenty one, Season seventeen,
Speaker 1: episode number eight. Welcome to our final edition of The Break,
Speaker 1: live from Oxnard, California. They are down to the final
Speaker 1: two practices of training Camp twenty twenty one, presented by
Speaker 1: American Airlines, and we're gonna wrap this thing up for
Speaker 1: you guys here on the show today. We're gonna give
Speaker 1: you some impressions from the Hall of Fame game, some
Speaker 1: impressions from the Cowboys and Rams joint practice, catch you
Speaker 1: guys up on some injury news, and then we got
Speaker 1: a real big camp wrap up where I'm gonna ask
Speaker 1: these guys a lot of different questions about a lot
Speaker 1: of different things, and they're gonna give you some opinion
Speaker 1: so you have a good understanding of what happened during
Speaker 1: the three weeks almost three weeks that we've spent out
Speaker 1: here in Oxnard covering this theme team during training camp.
Speaker 1: So let's go ahead and jump right in. Let's start
Speaker 1: first with the Hall of Fame game. Uh. Scintillating football.
Speaker 1: Uh great, great show, I mean, actually is great. Nothing
Speaker 1: I can't know, Okay, it wasn't okay the last game.
Speaker 1: I mean, god, it feels like a month ago. We've
Speaker 1: like covered this on other things. We can just loss
Speaker 1: over it if we want to. Let's do this real quick.
Speaker 1: Just give me one observation each You give me one
Speaker 1: observation from that game, and it can't be it sucked,
Speaker 1: like you gotta give me an actual analysis type observation.
Speaker 1: Didn't It didn't suck, Okay, got through the NFL sanctioned
Speaker 1: game that they forced them to play. They didn't get
Speaker 1: hurt and that's why it didn't. It didn't suck in
Speaker 1: and they and honestly, I thought it wasn't just that game.
Speaker 1: It was a forty eight hour thing. I thought it.
Speaker 1: Got to give the Cowboys credit for that. I really
Speaker 1: think McCarthey and has played it, did a good job
Speaker 1: of playing those guys well knowing what was happening on
Speaker 1: the back end when the Rams came in and they
Speaker 1: played some different guys there. I thought, I thought they
Speaker 1: kind of got through that little period, but not only
Speaker 1: was some good competition, but relatively healthy. Yeah, that's it's
Speaker 1: a shame. And you know, I know we did our
Speaker 1: best on DC dot Com and we streamed the scrimmage,
Speaker 1: but I wish that had I wish people could have
Speaker 1: watched it the way they watched a Hall of Fame game,
Speaker 1: like broadcast cameras, see the whole thing, because that was
Speaker 1: the real show, my Hall of Fame game. Micah Parson's
Speaker 1: good offensive line, bad next onto the next one, don't care.
Speaker 1: But the scrimmage was and even that starting offensive one,
Speaker 1: second team off yeah, well start the starting offensive line
Speaker 1: was Lyle and Tyler for six snaps, I mean and
Speaker 1: Connor like we didn't see the starting offensive line. But
Speaker 1: the scrimmage, the scrimmage was fun preseason football. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, you had Aaron Donald and Connor Williams scrapping
Speaker 1: ceedee lamb catching everything against everybody. Jordan Lewis made some
Speaker 1: plays in the secondary, which and you know it wasn't
Speaker 1: a beat down like the Rams made some plays as well. Um,
Speaker 1: it was Sewn Jackson, who I didn't even realize it
Speaker 1: was over there. Yeah, getting loose deep DeShawn Jackson. Uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was that was I went into the scrimmage.
Speaker 1: I was just like, fight and this is gonna be
Speaker 1: stupid and we're all gonna feel like we wasted our time.
Speaker 1: But it was fun. If that's what it's like. I
Speaker 1: want to do that every year because I feel like
Speaker 1: I think they got some really quality work out of that.
Speaker 1: And and you know, Sean McVay and McCarthy, they made
Speaker 1: sure that that was the case. You know, I think
Speaker 1: that was their their thing, going in like we're not
Speaker 1: we're not trying to go in here and fight, you know,
Speaker 1: like that that's the which is yeah, that's not productive,
Speaker 1: ironic because they there was a fight on the second
Speaker 1: rep of teeth, but they got it set rated And
Speaker 1: did you notice like it was very clear. Nick, I
Speaker 1: think you were the one that told me about McCarthy. Um.
Speaker 1: But but I did see Sean McVay when the fight started.
Speaker 1: He was on the opposite field and he sprinted all
Speaker 1: the way across the field and made a bee line
Speaker 1: right toward Aaron Donald and had that look on his
Speaker 1: face kind of like, dude, you're my leader. What are
Speaker 1: you doing? Why are you in the middle of talk
Speaker 1: about this? Right? We talked about this? Yeah, well another
Speaker 1: play too, and Tony Pollard and some guy for any
Speaker 1: young yeah he um. They had a mini scrap whatever
Speaker 1: if you will in forty one. Yeah. I kind of
Speaker 1: was like quick hit and hit and run and McVay
Speaker 1: I thought it was funny. He ran in and went
Speaker 1: after Pollard to to stop him, like, and I was thinking,
Speaker 1: you know, it's but they're just trying to squash it.
Speaker 1: You pick the guy to stop you. If you're Sean mcvayh.
Speaker 1: I mean, Pollard's probably your best bet. If that, I mean,
Speaker 1: I get that because Tony's small for an NFL player,
Speaker 1: But like, on my list of guys who I think
Speaker 1: are about it, Tony Pollard's high on my list. Don't
Speaker 1: mess with people from Memphis. That's that's like written in
Speaker 1: stone somewhere, like no way. Yeah, he's like one of
Speaker 1: those pound for pound guys, you know. Yeah, kind of
Speaker 1: like JJ Wilcox just absolutely Muhammad Ali on Jadaz a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, like Daz looks like the really
Speaker 1: tough guy, and JJ was like and JJ is the
Speaker 1: quiet guys like you gotta be careful to the quiet guy.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mess with Tony. Yeah, we've we've heard of
Speaker 1: stories like that where a little cornerback actually you know,
Speaker 1: beat up like the biggest defensive end on the team.
Speaker 1: So it happens like that, does um. But but you
Speaker 1: know Bohannas from Memphis, I wouldn't mess with him either.
Speaker 1: He's six four, three thirty and looks like he weighs
Speaker 1: two eighty. Yeah, that that combination if we're just going
Speaker 1: off of the hometown town scrappers. Yeah, Memphis is gonna
Speaker 1: be up there. They're gonna have a high seed in
Speaker 1: the in the in the tournament. I don't know who
Speaker 1: else is even in there. I don't know. All right,
Speaker 1: let's move on. I do want to talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about some injuries. Uh Neville, Gallimos, Gallamois. Start with him.
Speaker 1: Where is he and what's his injury? Um? He did?
Speaker 1: Him and Terrell basham both hurt their ankle, both guys.
Speaker 1: I don't get the impression that it's like a super
Speaker 1: big deal. I mean, ankle injuries are never great. So
Speaker 1: we might not see him practice this week just because
Speaker 1: there's only one real practice until we go home. But
Speaker 1: I don't get family. It was a family day as well.
Speaker 1: They had some family members that were there. They got
Speaker 1: a chance to kind of give some tickets to the family.
Speaker 1: And Gallimore was pulled out a practice, wanted to go
Speaker 1: back in after for the RAMS practice, but was still
Speaker 1: out here, you know, taking pictures with his family and
Speaker 1: visiting with them. So if it was that serious, he
Speaker 1: would have been up the training table and with a
Speaker 1: boot on which and we can touch on sha wo too,
Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna says. It's been three days
Speaker 1: since the scrimmage, yeah, and nothing. Nothing has come out
Speaker 1: about Gallimore or Basham, which is always a sign that
Speaker 1: it's not a huge deal. Whereas shawoh, apparently I have
Speaker 1: no memory of that, but got hurt during the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame game, and they're saying it's a neck injury
Speaker 1: and he might be out for a pretty significant chunk
Speaker 1: of time seeing him walk around here this this campus
Speaker 1: with a pretty extensive neck brace on. So yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel good. Now, it's gonna be a while
Speaker 1: from from what we've been told. In a while for
Speaker 1: a backup running backslash fullback, that was kind of on
Speaker 1: the outside of, you know, making the team. He made
Speaker 1: it last year for a few games, I think when
Speaker 1: Zeke got hurt and he was on the roster, but
Speaker 1: it was gonna be a tough still uphill for him
Speaker 1: to make it. So um, you know, I don't know
Speaker 1: what's in store for him. We'll see how serious it is,
Speaker 1: but it smells like a situation of maybe injured reserve.
Speaker 1: How much does that affect how the Cowboys want to
Speaker 1: play football, because I mean, everybody points to the fact
Speaker 1: that in Green Bay, Um McCarthy always had a fullback,
Speaker 1: but he had a really good fullback, so maybe it
Speaker 1: was maybe it was more of a function of, yeah,
Speaker 1: I had a great one, so okay, I was good
Speaker 1: with that, rather than I need a fullback in my
Speaker 1: office in order to make it run. And that fullback
Speaker 1: John Coon, I believe they don't have a guy like
Speaker 1: that here. I mean a lot of Louis Is as
Speaker 1: a running back that's really big. He's a big running
Speaker 1: back that kind of can play that h back role,
Speaker 1: but he's not he's not just gonna mix it up
Speaker 1: in there and block. They don't really have that guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I pulled this up for you. Derek Dallas ran. Dallas
Speaker 1: ran nine snaps of twenty one personnel last year, So
Speaker 1: was that because they didn't have one? Well, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean they likely didn't have one this year. I think,
Speaker 1: I really think, I think Shawill might have made the
Speaker 1: team because he fits an end. We haven't seen a
Speaker 1: fourth tight end that really looks like he's deserving of
Speaker 1: being on the team. Haven't. Probably don't need a fourth
Speaker 1: running back. But shaw was interesting because he could have
Speaker 1: been a fullback when you want to do that, could
Speaker 1: have been an h back. Obviously, he's a big body guy,
Speaker 1: which gives him a role on special teams. I really think,
Speaker 1: I really think he had a good shot to make
Speaker 1: the team as kind of a hybrid for running back
Speaker 1: forth tight end kind of guy. Um And I don't
Speaker 1: you know, maybe he's still will we don't. We don't
Speaker 1: know the severity or at least maybe he can get
Speaker 1: back at some point this season. But it seems like
Speaker 1: a pretty unfortunate setback for him. And for the purpose
Speaker 1: of what you just say, at those nine twenty one
Speaker 1: I bet most of those are probably Pollard and yeah right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: on the field together more than they were a fullback.
Speaker 1: So Coyboys haven't had a fullback, a traditional fullback, I
Speaker 1: don't think in quite some while, not a not one
Speaker 1: that you can really that they use significantly. Even when
Speaker 1: they had one a few years ago, they didn't really
Speaker 1: use him significant. They'd rather go thirteen personnel with three
Speaker 1: tight ends, or even you know, twelve personnel they had
Speaker 1: two tight ends. Keith Smith had some moments, but it
Speaker 1: was never but never on the like, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: Not and I'm still playing, by the way he is.
Speaker 1: He's in Atlanta now, still playing. Just had a baby girl,
Speaker 1: UM's wife. But they like, you know, never on the
Speaker 1: John Coon level. Never, like they haven't done that in
Speaker 1: the time that I've been here. Ye, all right, we're
Speaker 1: gonna take our first break. It's literally, but we're gonna
Speaker 1: get that breakout the way when we come back, we're
Speaker 1: gonna jump into our camp wrap up. I got a
Speaker 1: lot of questions for these guys on some different areas
Speaker 1: of the team, things that they've seen out here at
Speaker 1: training camp that they think will will happen. We're gonna
Speaker 1: get their opinions. We're gonna tip found out whether they're
Speaker 1: leaning yes or leaning no on some of these thoughts
Speaker 1: about who's gonna be doing what come the regular season?
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Speaker 1: the practices. It will be fun time at the Ford
Speaker 1: Center at the Star yet something. Yeah, I got some
Speaker 1: awesome news. I mean, this is this is outstanding news,
Speaker 1: right boy. That means it's not gonna be that outstanding
Speaker 1: if you did it like that. But go ahead, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, yeah, it's bad radio. Oh no, that's good.
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Speaker 1: this party, baby, justin justin time to go home and
Speaker 1: practice and texts. That's fine, look, which is exactly what
Speaker 1: they said. The more time goes on, the more I
Speaker 1: have to say, Dave, I agree with you, because over
Speaker 1: time I've learned, like I don't need to see these
Speaker 1: guys in training camp. I don't need to see them
Speaker 1: in the preseason. There's certain guys all I need to
Speaker 1: see you. Let me know if you're gonna be ready
Speaker 1: Thursday night when they take gone Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I
Speaker 1: could be on the ch is and he is one
Speaker 1: of those guys. I don't care about him being out here, No,
Speaker 1: I really don't. I agree. It's a six it's a
Speaker 1: six week or deal. And Tampa even today, after twenty
Speaker 1: however many days we've been out here, Tampa is still
Speaker 1: thirty something yeah, we got to see him in time,
Speaker 1: do some stuff in practice, you know. And here's the thing.
Speaker 1: When they've got this, it's a different schedule obviously this year,
Speaker 1: the last preseason game is really about for most teams
Speaker 1: two weeks away. For the Cowboys it's like a week
Speaker 1: and a half away. But still that's enough time to
Speaker 1: get some good practices. And I think that's when you
Speaker 1: want to see Marii, Cooper and d Logue get in
Speaker 1: for those practices of that week. It's a little bit
Speaker 1: more than than a regular week. Get into there, get ready,
Speaker 1: get geared up, understand the game plan, all that. That's
Speaker 1: kind of where where I would want to see those
Speaker 1: guys that Wednesday, I say Wednesday practice. It's a Thursday game,
Speaker 1: so whatever, even Sunday, Saturday, Friday, those those days leading
Speaker 1: up to the game, Labor Day, weekend practice. So let's
Speaker 1: shove into our camp wrap up. Here's what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 1: I have a list of statements here. They're not all questions.
Speaker 1: A lot of them are statements. And what I want
Speaker 1: you guys to do is tell me if you're leaning
Speaker 1: yes or leaning no. I know it's not definitive because
Speaker 1: obviously there's still, like you said, Dave, just few minutes ago,
Speaker 1: it's thirty seven days before the first game, so there's
Speaker 1: still a lot more football to be played before they
Speaker 1: get to a point where they really know how they're
Speaker 1: going to approach the season. But if you're leaning yes
Speaker 1: or leaning no in each of these different areas, let's
Speaker 1: start first with the quarterback we just talked about missing time.
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott will be ready and fully prepared for Week one.
Speaker 1: Are you leaning yes? Are you leaning no? See shout
Speaker 1: out Amber Garcia talk there yesterday. She's so awesome right now, right,
Speaker 1: but she is. Shout out Amber if you're listening, But
Speaker 1: go ahead, she is not. She absolutely is not. Oh,
Speaker 1: do I have to say something else? Leaning yes? Leaning?
Speaker 1: Know why because um going back to and I get it.
Speaker 1: Teams lie. That's fair. They always do. But contrary to
Speaker 1: what McCarthy set up on the podium, when Dak first
Speaker 1: got hurt, like they diagnosed this as a two three
Speaker 1: week injury the minute had happened, and we haven't heard
Speaker 1: anything from any of the people that we've talked to
Speaker 1: that suggests that that's not true. I think I think
Speaker 1: way back up, did you just say they diagnosed this
Speaker 1: as a two or three week injury when it happened. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought they tell us when it first happened it
Speaker 1: was gonna be two or three days. Yeah, McCarthy misspoke,
Speaker 1: Like McCarthy got out and like McCarthy, which I think
Speaker 1: we talked about this on the last show, McCarthy, we
Speaker 1: get mad at coaches for not giving us timelines. This
Speaker 1: is exactly why, like the people treating Dak are like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a multi week thing. And McCarthy said that,
Speaker 1: And that's why you don't do that, because when you
Speaker 1: don't meet that deadline, everybody frees the hell out. But
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, nobody's worried that he's off schedule and
Speaker 1: hasn't been this entire time. That's why the question is
Speaker 1: what No, will he be ready? Yeah, and here's the
Speaker 1: part will he be? I said, will he be ready
Speaker 1: and fully prepared? Because the reason why I say fully
Speaker 1: prepared is because how much do you factor in for
Speaker 1: Dak a quarterback if you're not practicing, how much does
Speaker 1: that affect you being at your best when the games
Speaker 1: actually start. Well, it's one of those things where you
Speaker 1: know he's he's healthy. With everything else, he's just you know,
Speaker 1: just they want to limit his throwing. So he's been
Speaker 1: out there, he's been in uniform, he's been he's had
Speaker 1: his helmet on, which is important because he was listening
Speaker 1: to the plays and the play calls and all that.
Speaker 1: He'll be as in tune with what's going on, is
Speaker 1: anybody could be. I think they'll start throwing, you know, again,
Speaker 1: probably that week. We've just talked about leading up to
Speaker 1: the game. The question is will he get any preseason work,
Speaker 1: And I think he will. Actually, he'll get some preseason
Speaker 1: game and that's because because of the ankle injury, he's
Speaker 1: got to get back out there and just kind of
Speaker 1: get in the feel of things. Different than d Law
Speaker 1: and Amari Cooper. I don't think they need that, But
Speaker 1: I think it's the quarterback who bands the huddle and
Speaker 1: gets the speed of the game and all that. He'll
Speaker 1: He'll get a few snaps in Houston and timing in
Speaker 1: those kinds of things is the way I look at it.
Speaker 1: I think a quarterback has more things that he has
Speaker 1: to work into. UM. And again, we've seen traditionally, and
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say traditional, we've seen that times. UM this
Speaker 1: offense has sputtered early in games, and it's kind of
Speaker 1: like they get in the flow and then they start going.
Speaker 1: I wonder if this is a situation, if he hasn't
Speaker 1: been practicing, will it take him a while to kind
Speaker 1: of get the rust off. And when you're playing a
Speaker 1: team like Tampa Bay start the season, you might have
Speaker 1: had that chance to be able to really, you know,
Speaker 1: get into it. You gotta go immediately because that that
Speaker 1: defense is really good and that offense can put up
Speaker 1: some points. Yeah, Houston game is the twenty first, which
Speaker 1: is eleven days from now. I bet he will play
Speaker 1: in that game. That would be outstanding. I leaned toward.
Speaker 1: I leaned toward thinking that all right, good, perfectly right,
Speaker 1: the right to change my mind. Let's go onto the
Speaker 1: next the next topic. Ceedee, Lamb will be the best
Speaker 1: wide receiver on this team in two thousand twenty one?
Speaker 1: You leaning yes or leaning no? I hate that question. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I But ask me another another way to
Speaker 1: describe it, and I'll say yes. And I could say
Speaker 1: yes to all of those guys. I think. I think
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper is still the better wide receiver of the group.
Speaker 1: He's he's I mean, he had he's coming off a
Speaker 1: great year quietly with four different quarterbacks, had ninety two catches.
Speaker 1: I think he's the best receiver. That's DeAndre Hopkins type
Speaker 1: stuff like it is. Most receivers don't do that when
Speaker 1: you put him with all those different quarterbacks. No, he
Speaker 1: was outstanding, and I think he I don't. I think
Speaker 1: you gotta CD. He's got to prove that he could
Speaker 1: be better than him. Now, who's gonna have more Top
Speaker 1: ten plays on Sports Center? There we go, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would be the most dynamic, and that's yeah, I And
Speaker 1: that's I hesitate to say CD is gonna be the
Speaker 1: best because I think people sleep on Amari because his
Speaker 1: game's not very sexy, Like he's a fantastic route runner.
Speaker 1: Quick think about like the best plays he's made here
Speaker 1: over Like he's made some amazing plays, you know, the
Speaker 1: overtime winner against Philly. He gets behind the defense, he's
Speaker 1: gone in the house from eighty yards out. But he
Speaker 1: doesn't do things things like Dez did where he's pinning
Speaker 1: balls against his helmet and extending for the goal line
Speaker 1: and all this crazy stuff. Well like CD didn't practice
Speaker 1: where you kind of probably calls CDs des Junior Atlanta
Speaker 1: catch though last year he was about sixty yards downfield
Speaker 1: one hand. That's probably one of the better catches I
Speaker 1: can remember him. But CD's got a flair, oh Amari, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, he did do that. You're right, um, But
Speaker 1: CD's got a flair for the dramatics. So I bet
Speaker 1: CD will have six of the ten best catches of
Speaker 1: the year. But I'm not ready to say he's a
Speaker 1: better overall receiver than a Marine good. I mean, not
Speaker 1: to diminish the question. But the good thing is is
Speaker 1: that doesn't they don't have to be you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like they can compliment each other and that's
Speaker 1: what's good. And then and then you got Michael Gallup
Speaker 1: who just kind of quietly goes about his business and
Speaker 1: does his thing. And and I mean, is there a
Speaker 1: better number three receiver in the league. If it, it's
Speaker 1: probably Tampa. It's Tampa and Dallas. Oh, Antonio Brown and yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe whatever they've God went on Evans. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: don't honestly, the way Antonio Brown played last year, I
Speaker 1: don't sure if I necessarily think he's better. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: I mean I'll tell you this. I look at this
Speaker 1: and I think I think statistically this year we're gonna
Speaker 1: see CD take a leadership position. I think he'll have
Speaker 1: the most touchdowns of any of the wide receivers. I
Speaker 1: think he might have the most catches. I think all
Speaker 1: the way around. By the end of this season, he's
Speaker 1: going to assume a role where, at least from a
Speaker 1: perception standpoint, he will be the number one wide receiver
Speaker 1: in Dallas. And here's where I think it is important.
Speaker 1: You're right, it doesn't matter for right now. Where I
Speaker 1: think it becomes vitally important when you get to the
Speaker 1: end of the season, because if he is securely one
Speaker 1: of your your best wide receiver and among the very
Speaker 1: best in the league, then I think it does affect
Speaker 1: how you handle the off season with regards to what
Speaker 1: you're gonna do with Gallup and what that means for
Speaker 1: Mary Cooper, Right, because if you've got one of the
Speaker 1: very best wide receivers in the league, then you know
Speaker 1: at that point when his contract comes up, you're about
Speaker 1: to pay him a ton of money. And that may
Speaker 1: make you say, Okay, maybe we know we can't sustain
Speaker 1: all three. Who do we really want to keep as
Speaker 1: the number two? Right? If you're doing a number two,
Speaker 1: do you really want to keep Gallop or do you
Speaker 1: want to keep Amara Cooper? Because Amari Cooper within another
Speaker 1: year or two, you got to make a decision on him.
Speaker 1: So I think all that factors in. It's all becomes
Speaker 1: important at the end of the season. And I do
Speaker 1: think he's gonna take that next step and become one
Speaker 1: of the very best in the league. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know how I feel about that, just be I mean,
Speaker 1: you're not saving like you're really not saving money, I guess,
Speaker 1: is my point. Like if you if you offer Gallop
Speaker 1: a deal, even if you mean, even if it means
Speaker 1: you let go of Amari, like Gallops deal is gonna
Speaker 1: be big. So you're gonna have two really expensive receivers regardless.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know about three. No, I
Speaker 1: mean no, I think I mean that will come to
Speaker 1: a head in some form or fashion at some point.
Speaker 1: I don't. I can't imagine all three of them being
Speaker 1: here at least, yeah, I can't because yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: on this trajectory, and I know, like you want to
Speaker 1: pay Mike, I do, but I know that you gotta
Speaker 1: you gotta give up something. I put it as four
Speaker 1: four guys that's that's on a different level. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: the old lines on a different level. There's four skill players,
Speaker 1: three receivers in a running back. You can't keep all four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't pay And so I would be working on
Speaker 1: a deal with Michael Gallup right now. I think he's
Speaker 1: everything you want for this team as far as a playmaker,
Speaker 1: but also his mindset, his mentality, the things he said yesterday,
Speaker 1: things he said several times in the past. He's the
Speaker 1: kind of guy you want on your team, um, for
Speaker 1: many reasons. So I would love to pay him, But
Speaker 1: I understand that if you do that, you might not
Speaker 1: be able to keep a Mari. You might not be
Speaker 1: able to keep Zeke. You might have three high priced
Speaker 1: receivers on your team next year and a running back
Speaker 1: with Tony Poller didn't second and third round rookie. Can
Speaker 1: you afford though? Can you? I don't know what his
Speaker 1: contracts says, well, can you afford? But do you see
Speaker 1: the subtraction that I'm talking about? Yeah? Yeah, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: can you afford to do that? Getting rid of Zeke
Speaker 1: next year is going to hurt your at Oh to
Speaker 1: get rid of Zeke next year? Yeah, yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know that you're gaining anything by doing that financially, And
Speaker 1: he may not be the guy that's out then because
Speaker 1: you're not gonna you're not gonna hurt as bad if
Speaker 1: you get rid of him, Mark, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean we're kind of jumping ahead of ourselves, but
Speaker 1: I mean I do think that that, you know, we'll
Speaker 1: see how things play out. Things could play out differently
Speaker 1: today than they are you know, yesterday. But it's what
Speaker 1: I keep saying that, I mean, Amari, Amari could have
Speaker 1: with a full season of dak he could, we could.
Speaker 1: We're like, oh my god, why weren't we talking about
Speaker 1: Amari as a top five receiver in the league? Or
Speaker 1: Gallup could have this amazing year, and like it's I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't some of these like you don't have to
Speaker 1: solve everything ahead of time. You really don't. Like if
Speaker 1: if Gallup has this amazing year, you could even tag him.
Speaker 1: You can rearrange some contracts to give yourself for him
Speaker 1: to tag him, Like you just don't have to do
Speaker 1: this right now. And I know, like people are so
Speaker 1: worried about losing value. They're like, we can't, we can't
Speaker 1: just let Mike walk for not. It's like nobody said
Speaker 1: you had to do that, just just there's seventeen games,
Speaker 1: and our opinions about these guys fluctuate wildly from year
Speaker 1: to year, from game to game. Yeah. Absolutely think I'll
Speaker 1: say this, and I know a lot of people that
Speaker 1: are listening and all of us play fantasy football. You're
Speaker 1: gonna be pissed off at the Cowboys receivers this year.
Speaker 1: You are. There's gonna be games where you're gonna be made, well,
Speaker 1: honestly fun. I honestly, I don't know if I agree
Speaker 1: with that, mainly because the way I look at it
Speaker 1: is these receivers, there's no receiver in the league outside
Speaker 1: of maybe two or three that are every week winners.
Speaker 1: Like they all kind of have a week when they're
Speaker 1: great and in a week when they're okay. What I
Speaker 1: will say is, you go back and look at Ceedee
Speaker 1: Lamb last year when he had Dak Prescott, he was
Speaker 1: an every week start. He was a guy every week
Speaker 1: that was gonna put up numbers, and I think it's
Speaker 1: gonna be just as much so this year. I think
Speaker 1: Ceede Lamb is a guy. That's why I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna take that step to where even if
Speaker 1: it's a game where he's not in the end zone
Speaker 1: a lot, he's gonna still have five catches seventy five yards.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I just think he's gonna
Speaker 1: be your your main like he is going to be,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, your most consistent threat every week. Well that,
Speaker 1: I mean five for seventy five. Is that good enough
Speaker 1: for where you drafted him, you know, if that's his
Speaker 1: worst week, yes, yes, I'll take that thing. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: I don't think it'll be like that. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think there'll be games where you can take him away,
Speaker 1: but that means that will be will be good. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just hard. It's just hard to to you know,
Speaker 1: feed everyone. I think I think if you want to,
Speaker 1: if you want a guy like that, I would take
Speaker 1: Dakudak's gonna be the one that's probably gonna gonna get
Speaker 1: you a lot of points there, even down in the
Speaker 1: goal line, that will be running in touchdowns. Not as
Speaker 1: much as z but hopefully yeah, yeah, hopefully yes, hopefully true.
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to the next topic. The
Speaker 1: swing tackle is currently on this roster. You leaning yes
Speaker 1: or leaning no, I lean towards No, William Last our producer,
Speaker 1: I lean towards yes, but I mean I lean towards yes,
Speaker 1: because like like what else is But that's everybody's like
Speaker 1: the offensive line depth on this team sucks, like get
Speaker 1: in line. No, no, no, there aren't any good No,
Speaker 1: there aren't enough. I'm not leaning towards. Yes, I'm jumping
Speaker 1: towards yes, yes, yes, without a doubt. Your swing tackle
Speaker 1: is on the roster. Yes I did. Are playing tackle
Speaker 1: right now? No he isn't right now. There we go.
Speaker 1: That's where I was trying to lean. I'm glad, and
Speaker 1: that's what I think that were we talking about, Jack Martin.
Speaker 1: I think I think you're starting. I think your backup
Speaker 1: what was your idea? I loved every when the coach
Speaker 1: did no, actually no, all right, keep keep going. Keep no,
Speaker 1: he's killing his own idea. No, keep going, and I'll
Speaker 1: decide if I hate it or not. I just think
Speaker 1: when we go into Tampa Bay, I think you're starting five.
Speaker 1: We kind of know who starting five is going to be.
Speaker 1: I think your backup a center is will be your
Speaker 1: starting left guard, and I think your backup swing tackles
Speaker 1: you're starting right tackle. That's a problem, isn't it well,
Speaker 1: because now one problem becomes two. Yeah, I get it,
Speaker 1: I get it, and that's where But but then again,
Speaker 1: I mean, it just comes down. It still comes down
Speaker 1: to your best five. Okay, guy, guy gets hurt. It's
Speaker 1: is Terrence Steele a better option to play right tackle
Speaker 1: than Connor McGovern is to play guard. And I'm saying,
Speaker 1: if something would have happened to one of the tackles,
Speaker 1: you got to move Zach out and you put McGovern
Speaker 1: in to play Zach Martin spot instead of Steele, just
Speaker 1: replacing one of the guys. It might depend on which side.
Speaker 1: I think they're okay with Steel at the right tackle,
Speaker 1: because you gotta remember, and Tony Romo used to say
Speaker 1: this all the time, right tackle, better don't hold. I
Speaker 1: can see this guy. You don't have to hold. You
Speaker 1: don't have to think because I can see him coming
Speaker 1: and I will get I'll get away from him. In fact,
Speaker 1: Tony could see the guy I'm behind him for some reason.
Speaker 1: He could do that. But I'm just saying right tackle
Speaker 1: though typically I'll see him coming for the most part.
Speaker 1: But left tackle that's kind of a big deal. So
Speaker 1: I think they would move Zack maybe the left tackle,
Speaker 1: but he's not practiced it at all. You know, I
Speaker 1: think I only like the idea of Zach kicking out
Speaker 1: if it, you know, knock on wood. But if it's
Speaker 1: like a significant injury where you've lost the tackle for
Speaker 1: a long time, like if it's one week, I think
Speaker 1: I'd rather just or even to finish a game. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think I'd rather just have Terrence Steele
Speaker 1: run out there. Maybe, but I don't feel great about
Speaker 1: that either, So I don't really I don't have a
Speaker 1: definitive answer. Maybe I mean, Zach plan right tackle and
Speaker 1: McGovern playing right guard might be better than Zach playing
Speaker 1: right guard and Steel playing right tackle. I don't know
Speaker 1: that they will sign. They will claim someone when when
Speaker 1: the cuts are made, I firmly believe there will be
Speaker 1: a veteran guy, whether it be tackle or a center.
Speaker 1: They're gonna bring somebody in. Somebody's gonna gonna drop a
Speaker 1: player that is just better. They do it almost every year. Year.
Speaker 1: Every year, I think, I think they've got to do it.
Speaker 1: This year, they're gonna find someone probably better than than
Speaker 1: Tye and Sky or Steele. Was it this show or
Speaker 1: I don't remember, but like, we feel really good about
Speaker 1: seven guys on this team right now, like the starting five,
Speaker 1: and then um McGovern and then probably Steele maybe he's
Speaker 1: a development just I like feel good about him as
Speaker 1: a player, but feel good that he'll probably be on
Speaker 1: the team. Oh god, yeah. And then after that, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm invested on him. So so here's the follow up
Speaker 1: question of that top five offensive linemen on this team?
Speaker 1: Leaning Esseleni No, Smith, Martin Collins, Williams, Beotish, Um, exactly, yes,
Speaker 1: I said Smith, Martin Collins Williams. And I think that's
Speaker 1: your top five. Yeah. A lot of people are trying
Speaker 1: to fire Tyler Beotish, but I'm not ready to do
Speaker 1: that yet. I haven't. It's a Ricky Waters thing for me.
Speaker 1: I mean for who, for what? I mean who? Well
Speaker 1: the question, and I think a lot of people, a
Speaker 1: lot of people are talking about the fact is Connor
Speaker 1: mcgoverned better at guard? Is he challenging Connor Williams enough
Speaker 1: to where you say he is one of your better
Speaker 1: offensive linement And that means that having him on the
Speaker 1: field and sliding, which a lot of people aren't in
Speaker 1: love with beardist sliding Connor to center gives you your
Speaker 1: best five, That's that's the question for you. I don't
Speaker 1: think it doesn't give it your best five. It doesn't
Speaker 1: because because be honest, is better at center than Connor
Speaker 1: Williams is right now, especially snapping the ball. I don't
Speaker 1: think Connor's there just yet at all? Now could he be?
Speaker 1: I mean, this goes back to what we've said before.
Speaker 1: He just needs work. And I applaud Connor Williams actually
Speaker 1: for his attitude of like he's like, yeah, I want
Speaker 1: to do it. I like doing I love playing center,
Speaker 1: you know, and so you know here he is going
Speaker 1: into a contract here. Maybe he sees the value of
Speaker 1: that of like, hey, I could play all of these
Speaker 1: spots from college to now, I'm playing them all, so
Speaker 1: that might give him more value. But you know, I
Speaker 1: just wish they would have done it earlier because I
Speaker 1: really think they could have been this could have been
Speaker 1: something here. Yeah, I don't I don't know what I
Speaker 1: feel about McGovern. I I'm a little bit like you.
Speaker 1: I'm with you on that. I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I'm as in love with him as it
Speaker 1: seems like the reporting has been on him, Like I've
Speaker 1: been watching or not. I'm just like looking at him
Speaker 1: and I'm like, there's some moments, but there are also
Speaker 1: some moments where I'm like, not so much. So I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've seen what everybody else thinks
Speaker 1: they're seeing or reporting. He's he's been fine. He hasn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's not better than Connor at guard. I don't think
Speaker 1: Connor Williams they're better Van Connor. Yeah, but yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't. I think I think the five that we're
Speaker 1: familiar with will be the five on the field against
Speaker 1: I will tell you this. Connor Williams in that last
Speaker 1: practice against the Rams showed you something like he's out
Speaker 1: there against Aaron Donald, and what you guys didn't see
Speaker 1: you saw. I'm assuming everybody saw what led to that
Speaker 1: little brief skirmish where Connor kind of threw him down
Speaker 1: after you'd already still made it him. But really, I
Speaker 1: think a lot of the frustration that maybe Donald was
Speaker 1: feeling came from the other end. Donald. We were watching
Speaker 1: them in one on one and Connor beat him twice. Now,
Speaker 1: one time you could say maybe it was a stell mate.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was kind of like when he could have
Speaker 1: gotten off and maybe made a play, But that first
Speaker 1: one he got still made. Oh. I posted that clip
Speaker 1: on Twitter and it made the rounds, and I've still
Speaker 1: people arguing in my mentions about who won that. And
Speaker 1: I get it the first one and that no literally,
Speaker 1: I mean, and no question that I've never played offensive line.
Speaker 1: There are plenty of people saying he pushed him five
Speaker 1: yards deep. I'm like, I don't give him anchor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if an offensive line can anchor and you're not moving
Speaker 1: him at that point, you're not going anywhere. Not to mention,
Speaker 1: it's Aaron Donald drop. If he only goes five yards,
Speaker 1: I'm fine with that. Yeah, and you have a mobile quarterback,
Speaker 1: like I'm telling you, though, I had every offensive line
Speaker 1: expert in on Twitter bickering about who won the rep,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, if the three time defensive
Speaker 1: Player of the Year pushes him four yards back and
Speaker 1: then stops moving Connor one, I don't care what you say.
Speaker 1: And I think Donald proved my point because he was
Speaker 1: pissed and that's why they wound up in a fight.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, Yeah, there's no doubt. There's no doubt
Speaker 1: that Connor, I mean dominated that that's that's what physics is.
Speaker 1: You they push the pile that everybody does that. This
Speaker 1: is how can they anchor and they set and they
Speaker 1: eventually stop it, And that's everybody does that. There's gonna
Speaker 1: be your your worst defensive tackle that we have is
Speaker 1: going to push Zack Martin back a little and then
Speaker 1: you know, Travis Frederick used to always do it, and
Speaker 1: you can see his back just kind of torquing and
Speaker 1: he anchors it and then okay, now you're done. And
Speaker 1: so that that was a clear mean basically you're kind
Speaker 1: of you're kind of just going back with them a
Speaker 1: little bit just to be able to get to a
Speaker 1: point where you can anchor set and then it stops. Right.
Speaker 1: I Mean, I hate to say this, but Connor, I mean,
Speaker 1: I hate to say this, but if we really being honest,
Speaker 1: Connor Williams has played well against Aaron Donald in his
Speaker 1: career the times that they've faced him, he's actually done
Speaker 1: a pretty nice job against him. It was some of
Speaker 1: the other guys Brockers, I mean, and Dominican Sue a
Speaker 1: few years in the playoffs years ago. I mean, he
Speaker 1: was the one guy he gave Zack Martin Sue gave
Speaker 1: Zach Martin more more problems than Donald gave Connor Williams. Now,
Speaker 1: did they give some some help, Yes, of course they did.
Speaker 1: They always will give help for Aaron Donald. But Connor
Speaker 1: Williams seems to play well against him, because, if you
Speaker 1: think about it, Aaron Donald, as as as great as
Speaker 1: he is, he's not the biggest defensive tackle. He is
Speaker 1: just so strong, powerful, and he's quick quick. Yes, and
Speaker 1: you got it. You know Connor Williams, that's kind of
Speaker 1: his game too. I'm not believe me, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that there, you know, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: he's the He's the Jordan Stopper. Okay, I'm not saying that.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that their games kind of compliment well
Speaker 1: enough where he can kind of hang a little bit
Speaker 1: where the overpowering guys are the ones's gonna give Connor
Speaker 1: a little bit more problems. All right, we're gonna take
Speaker 1: our final break, We're gonna come back. I got more
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Speaker 1: So I'm proud of you. Just keep it up here,
Speaker 1: Let's well, let's keep it up. We still got a whole.
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Speaker 1: It is our final segment out here in Oxnard, California.
Speaker 1: We're gonna wrap this puppy up and head back to
Speaker 1: actually gonna head to Phoenix for a game and then
Speaker 1: head back to the one. We're gonna wrap That's all
Speaker 1: I heard. And then we're gonna head back to Frisco
Speaker 1: Dave for a little practice. There. No, not not not
Speaker 1: live on the mic, well not really period. I can't.
Speaker 1: I'm not listened to it. I listened to it. I
Speaker 1: can't do it. Really, No, you got no flaw at
Speaker 1: are you kidding me? Really? I would have thought you
Speaker 1: could have just like off off the head, just mocking
Speaker 1: me right now. No, seriously, I would have thought you could.
Speaker 1: I would have thought you would be pretty decent. I
Speaker 1: might have You're witty too. You gotta be Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. I thought he'd have a little something.
Speaker 1: I grew up in New Orleans, but my I am
Speaker 1: a I'm a midwestern white guy. Like no, I got
Speaker 1: nothing for you. I stop, I can't wrap Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: that's okay. Maybe we'll have you work on that and
Speaker 1: maybe one day you can do something. You think the
Speaker 1: rapper of our group is you think Rob Nicky long
Speaker 1: silence without a do Absolutely, he's got. All right, let's
Speaker 1: jump back in. We're doing a camp wrap up. We've
Speaker 1: got some questions or actually topics that we're throwing to
Speaker 1: these guys. We're finding after their leaning yes, leaning no.
Speaker 1: Let's next talk about Michael Parsons. Michael Parson. Michael Parsons
Speaker 1: will be one of the starting linebackers Week one, leaning yes,
Speaker 1: leaning no. I got dinner. I got dinner writing on this,
Speaker 1: So don't let that. Like you can always back away
Speaker 1: from it. If you want to back away from it,
Speaker 1: it's a good time to do it. Talking to Dave,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah one h yes, who said who says no?
Speaker 1: Dave said I said that in aping and that feeling
Speaker 1: good about it, especially look at the first game I
Speaker 1: mean look at that. I mean they just put them
Speaker 1: out there. I mean that's ther three linebackers. I think
Speaker 1: they're gonna go in there. But what are the odds
Speaker 1: they open in base? That is all this comes down to. No, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it does down to exactly how they opened up dot,
Speaker 1: how they run out of the tunnel. And the first
Speaker 1: like you know for that with the starting lineup says right.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing like I think when you when
Speaker 1: you look at I think they're going to announce this
Speaker 1: defense as three linebackers. Yeah, but more so than they
Speaker 1: would say, hey, we're not going to put Micah on
Speaker 1: the starting announced. He is going to be announced as
Speaker 1: a starter from day one, in my opinion. Just yeah,
Speaker 1: we just got the depth chart sent to us from
Speaker 1: the PR. Let's let's stop, let's stop fibbling, let's stop quibbling.
Speaker 1: Mike is going to play eighty percent or more of
Speaker 1: the snaps week one? Will he play the most of
Speaker 1: any linebacker? Um? No, Layton. Layton will be on the field, like,
Speaker 1: Layton won't come off And I could see them rotating
Speaker 1: Mica and Jalen and just look what because it's because
Speaker 1: he's hurt. Well, he's hurt could be. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: it could be. I don't like I don't like making
Speaker 1: fun of people. I'm not making fun of him. I'm not.
Speaker 1: That's not making fun of him. I love his game.
Speaker 1: I wish he was on the field more, but he
Speaker 1: hasn't been, and if he was more consistent, they would
Speaker 1: have given him that fifth yer option. I'm just it's
Speaker 1: not me. It's the fact that he goes off of
Speaker 1: the history suggest that he doesn't play as much as
Speaker 1: you want well, and the question would come out of that.
Speaker 1: He gets hurt in the in the season opener two
Speaker 1: years in a row. But no, But that's but that's
Speaker 1: where I think the question becomes. If you if you
Speaker 1: know that he has a history of injury, is it's
Speaker 1: smart to put him on the field and say he
Speaker 1: doesn't come off. Yeah, that's his job. He's the week
Speaker 1: the weak side linebacker. Yeah, but look, when you've got
Speaker 1: when you've got other options though, and you can rotate
Speaker 1: a little bit more, Does it make more sense three
Speaker 1: to play two? What about four to play three? I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what they have, That's what I'm saying, So so
Speaker 1: does it make more sense to move those guys around?
Speaker 1: A little bit more. So he's not taking as many
Speaker 1: snaps because you want to protect him a little bit more.
Speaker 1: I still when you have options, even they're gonna find
Speaker 1: a role for Mica, they're gonna find a role for
Speaker 1: Jayalen and Keanu Um. I still think Layton's, assuming he's healthy,
Speaker 1: I think his will be the highest because he's the
Speaker 1: best pure linebacker in terms of like understanding things and
Speaker 1: being able to make those types right now, right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what we're talking about. Just I'm just saying that
Speaker 1: more is a kind of almost abjecting three years into
Speaker 1: my even three years, give me half the season. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's press commerce. Yesterday I had him
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame. Yeah, I know, I know.
Speaker 1: He didn't shy away from it. He really didn't. Well,
Speaker 1: CD had a comment to do cecd's comment. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think they're both looking toward that. I'm on grind til
Speaker 1: I get that gold jacket. Whatever he said, which you
Speaker 1: should be. Smith came into the league and said, what's
Speaker 1: the wreck Who's got the most yards? It's like, it's
Speaker 1: what's Walter Payton. He's like, well, that's what I want.
Speaker 1: Set big goals I'm a big believer in that. Absolutely, Um,
Speaker 1: Layton Layton is he's without Shawn Lee here. That's he's
Speaker 1: that guy. And I mean the parallels of them getting
Speaker 1: hurt are not and it's a pretty big coincidence. But
Speaker 1: like he under I have no doubt that he understands
Speaker 1: this thing the best out of anybody. That's what I
Speaker 1: think people forget about him, is he because he does
Speaker 1: he has been injured something. When he's not injured, when
Speaker 1: he's playing football, he is an all Pro player. That's
Speaker 1: how good he can be. That's what's and we've seen
Speaker 1: it about this whole thing is that, you know, if
Speaker 1: they can they got to figure out how to get
Speaker 1: how to get jay Lin evolved. They got to figure
Speaker 1: out how to how to what to do with him
Speaker 1: to get him in his best spot. I think Dan
Speaker 1: Quinn is the guy to do that, and I think
Speaker 1: he will, um, you know, and then Kean O'Neil's kind
Speaker 1: of the same thing. But you got Parsons doing his thing.
Speaker 1: If Layton can do his thing, I mean those linebackers
Speaker 1: can be really good. They have the potential to be
Speaker 1: really good. If Layton can play a full season and
Speaker 1: be healthy and play to that level, and what we've
Speaker 1: seen in Michael Parsons, I really believe they could be
Speaker 1: among the best linebacker duos in the entire league. That's
Speaker 1: how good they can potentially be. And that would also
Speaker 1: mean if they're that good, how much do the two
Speaker 1: of them come off the field, Like do you want
Speaker 1: them coming off the field? You know? When you when
Speaker 1: you look at Carolina when they were at their best
Speaker 1: with Keithley and what was the other against Thomas Davis
Speaker 1: when they had two of them, Like, they didn't let
Speaker 1: them off the field very often because they were that good.
Speaker 1: It almost gets to that point because they have that
Speaker 1: kind of potential because they're both really that good when
Speaker 1: they're healthy, end and out there. Okay, So this bet
Speaker 1: that you guys have is gonna have to be on
Speaker 1: the field, right on the field for the first All
Speaker 1: that matters is who's on the field. Okay, Because I
Speaker 1: say this because if you go to the Cowboys, they
Speaker 1: just sent out like their notes for the second game,
Speaker 1: Walks PR department, our PR department's gonna get us. He's
Speaker 1: not listening to going to give us a penalty because
Speaker 1: because and they know and John looking at Joe Trehanna.
Speaker 1: Pr guy has done a great job here at camp.
Speaker 1: But um, on their on their depth chart, they have
Speaker 1: twelve guys on defense. Ah, so I'm say you can't
Speaker 1: go off of that. So they're going they are going
Speaker 1: to list all three linebackers as starters until they don't
Speaker 1: have a choice. Yeah, it's really it's really not the line,
Speaker 1: Joe says, ding Ding, ding Ding, It's not. It's the
Speaker 1: four defensive linemen. You know. It's two ends, two tackles,
Speaker 1: three linebackers, two cornerbacks, two safeties and then n B
Speaker 1: nicol back, which is is you know, I guess a
Speaker 1: good band. But um, but you know, but Jordan Lewis
Speaker 1: h is right there now, like coming right on his
Speaker 1: heels though, Maurice Kennedy, I mean, you got it. If
Speaker 1: he keeps doing this, you gotta figure out how to
Speaker 1: play him where. Yeah, it ain't just making a team anymore.
Speaker 1: It's like how does he get on the field? Yeah no,
Speaker 1: But man, I mean when you just how many linebackers
Speaker 1: are they listening there in the its as among the
Speaker 1: starters three, I mean Micer's on the outside linebacker, Layton's
Speaker 1: outside linebacker, and middle linebacker's Ja the more I think
Speaker 1: about which the reason I made that bet is, you know,
Speaker 1: seniority and politics go into this and seventy million dollars player.
Speaker 1: But I'm sitting here thinking about it. Tampa's gonna open
Speaker 1: up with three receivers. You're gonna be forced to Micael
Speaker 1: better be on the damn field because you need speed
Speaker 1: and Jalen doesn't have the same caliber. And by the way,
Speaker 1: even when you said that before, I think there are
Speaker 1: two things at play. One, we were we have been
Speaker 1: conditioned by the Garrett regime that seniority like that matters. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But the second nun now, Yeah, But the second thing
Speaker 1: that I think we got a factor in is if
Speaker 1: you want to talk about the seventy million dollar man,
Speaker 1: that's kind of irrelevant. This is a first round draft pick,
Speaker 1: almost a top ten draft pick, Like, there is no
Speaker 1: way that you don't want him front and center, and
Speaker 1: they're getting everything that they wanted when you draft a
Speaker 1: first round pick. Right now, which is the rest is
Speaker 1: saying he is a bad ache by the way he's living.
Speaker 1: That doesn't sound as good. He's a badass. You can
Speaker 1: say that we're not regulated. Okay, I'm not gonna say
Speaker 1: that but he's living up to it, which is you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't think he was gonna be bad, but I
Speaker 1: wasn't convinced he was just gonna have skyrocket like this.
Speaker 1: So sitting here in August, it's a whole lot easier
Speaker 1: for me to believe he's on the field, no doubt
Speaker 1: about it. All Right, let's move on to the next topic.
Speaker 1: Uh and this one, actually, I'm just we're gonna do
Speaker 1: this for fun. Michael Parsons will be the best playmaker
Speaker 1: on this defense in twenty twenty one? Leaning yes, leaning no. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's a good question, umlaymaker. He's the guy, like we
Speaker 1: talked about, He's gonna be that guy that shows up
Speaker 1: on Sports Center. If you're gonna have a guy on
Speaker 1: this defense that ever shows up on Sports Center, is
Speaker 1: he the most likely candidate? Yeah? Yeah he is not.
Speaker 1: He is. I'm gonna go for ninety four. I think
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go for it. I'm gonna do it again
Speaker 1: ninety four for Randy. I think Randy's gonna make some sacks,
Speaker 1: gonna make some fumbles, gonna you know, I think Randy's
Speaker 1: got to do and he did a better job of
Speaker 1: it last year. Gotta cut down those penalties, those dumb penalties.
Speaker 1: To cut those down, no more. Don't hit back. When
Speaker 1: they hit you, you know you're a target. They know, Hey,
Speaker 1: Rile up ninety four, we might get a fifteen yard penalty.
Speaker 1: They did it with Dez back then you can't be
Speaker 1: that guy beat disciplined. He's disciplined and and goes out
Speaker 1: there and makes plays. I think he'll be the playmaker.
Speaker 1: I think he'll be more sacks. I think he'll get
Speaker 1: some turnovers. Here's why I say yes. And it's not
Speaker 1: so much because I'm convinced Mica Parsons is going to
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. But I think I think his
Speaker 1: role is almost gonna be as kind of like a
Speaker 1: monster in this defense. He's he can blitz, he can cover,
Speaker 1: he's gonna drop, He's gonna be able to get picks.
Speaker 1: I don't know how good he's gonna be at it
Speaker 1: when the when the lights are actually on, but he's
Speaker 1: clearly got the instincts and he's got the athleticism. So
Speaker 1: if Randy gets around the corner and swipes the ball
Speaker 1: out of guy's hand, he's probably gonna be there to
Speaker 1: get it. If he blitzes and sacks the quarterback and
Speaker 1: the ball comes loose. He's got the athletic like he
Speaker 1: should be around the ball just enough, and and and
Speaker 1: he and he has the instincts to capitalize on it.
Speaker 1: So he's gonna he's gonna be the guy make like
Speaker 1: finishing other people's plays like Layton Vanderesh jars the ball
Speaker 1: loose and Micah's on the spot to get that. I
Speaker 1: can see that very clearly. It's like what happened, not
Speaker 1: in the game, by the way, Yeah, absolutely, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean he was right there to make it. And you
Speaker 1: know what you just described reminds me of Troy Palamalu. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, no, I don't. I'm not trying to I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to say it is a similar similar thing,
Speaker 1: Like he's just the guy be around the ball, do
Speaker 1: this and do that and laughing because he's arguably the
Speaker 1: best safety of the last fifty I mean, you know, honestly,
Speaker 1: there was a time when I thought Troy Palomala was
Speaker 1: the best football player in the NFL. And I agree
Speaker 1: with you, and also not one hundred percent sure that
Speaker 1: he's like fully human really all true. It's like superhero
Speaker 1: to me, the way that he used to time the
Speaker 1: snap and jump over the line. Yeah. And then and
Speaker 1: then the very next play he's forty yards down the
Speaker 1: field on a jump ball interception. Like, how do you know,
Speaker 1: I just I don't think he's gonna be that. I laugh,
Speaker 1: because that is incredibly rare air for anybody to be. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: As I was sitting there watching some of the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame coverage that thing for a while too. But
Speaker 1: he wants to get to that. Yeah, Troy Polamala was
Speaker 1: like that special breed. Like I think sometimes even Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame doesn't really describe how great some players are.
Speaker 1: He's one of those guys that me, to me, that's
Speaker 1: even like a step above Hall of Fame, if you
Speaker 1: could have a step above Hall of Fame. He was
Speaker 1: just so dramatic and some of the things he was
Speaker 1: able to do. And I remember watching Hi when he
Speaker 1: was playing. You could see it like, yeah, this dude special,
Speaker 1: he's different than everybody else. Well, now that we're getting safeties,
Speaker 1: just all of them are going into the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: let's just let's clean it up, clean it up. And
Speaker 1: him would all right, um, that's gonna be a rep
Speaker 1: But actually, before we end the show real quick. I
Speaker 1: had a couple questions. I don't know if we're gonna
Speaker 1: get to all those, so real quick before we do
Speaker 1: in the show, I want you to quickly give me
Speaker 1: one guy that you think was the best player at
Speaker 1: camp and one guy that most didn't meet the expectations
Speaker 1: of what you had for him coming into camp. And
Speaker 1: let's try to avoid guys from a standpoint of injury
Speaker 1: because they didn't they didn't really get an opportunity to
Speaker 1: show you what they could do. You want to do.
Speaker 1: Second best yeah, second best player because it was CD.
Speaker 1: CD was the best player, yeah, right in this camp
Speaker 1: and then in a lot of camp, but better better
Speaker 1: than than some of Dez Bryant's camps where he's he
Speaker 1: was really outstanding. This guy did it every single day
Speaker 1: and he had like a highlight catch of the day.
Speaker 1: In fact, gonna be the best receiver on this team.
Speaker 1: Saying that, I already said he's gonna he's gonna be
Speaker 1: the best receiver on this team this year. Go ahead, Okay,
Speaker 1: So who what other player? Who was this ball and
Speaker 1: out out? Yeah? I mean I say what. The guy
Speaker 1: covering him wasn't too bad either, even though he was
Speaker 1: giving up some plays every now and again. I mean
Speaker 1: I thought Treyvon Diggs was was pretty good. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he was the second best of Camp U
Speaker 1: because it's hard. It's hard to say, well CD was
Speaker 1: the best and the guy covering him every every time
Speaker 1: was second best. But he definitely competed pretty pretty well.
Speaker 1: Chris Chris, our producer, thinks it's Maurice Kennedy. That's not
Speaker 1: a bad that's not a bad. Guess he's had a
Speaker 1: really fantastic camp and a lot of that's expectations. Sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: I meant about Dalton Schultz. Dalton Schultz almost everything that
Speaker 1: they could have asked from him. I mean he's all.
Speaker 1: I mean even when he when he starts, then when
Speaker 1: when Jarwin's out, he has great catches. When he's not,
Speaker 1: he comes in with the second team, he has great catches.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of shocked, John, I giving Randy it's good
Speaker 1: my answer, My answer would either be Randy or Micah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I mean I already have, but I can't say
Speaker 1: enough about you know, there's a ton of expectations on
Speaker 1: a twelfth overall pick, learning that didn't play last year
Speaker 1: at all, didn't have a didn't have a junior season,
Speaker 1: just kicking ass every day out here for the most part.
Speaker 1: So him or Randy one or one or the other.
Speaker 1: Uh and then what guy? What guy didn't meet your expectations? Guy?
Speaker 1: You came into camp and you were like, I mean,
Speaker 1: I really think this guy has some and then it
Speaker 1: was just like I didn't really see it. Oh, okay,
Speaker 1: let's think here. I mean it's yeah, was this on
Speaker 1: the list? Yeah? Should we? This is one? Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is one you could have been prepared for. We could
Speaker 1: have been prepared, been prepared. So we're making bad radio here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you could have been prepared for. We're making bad radio.
Speaker 1: That's okay. Um, damn, you have a guy. I'm struggling.
Speaker 1: I'm I didn't think I was gonna answer it. But
Speaker 1: the big one and it's injury. But I mean, Jordan
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis just hasn't had much of a camp. He
Speaker 1: did make he made a couple plays in the scrimmage
Speaker 1: the other day, but and that's it's injury though it's not.
Speaker 1: He just he hasn't looked bad. He just really hadn't anything.
Speaker 1: I'll give you one for me. I'll give you one
Speaker 1: from Okay, good. Kean O'Neil. Okay, Calary, I mean I
Speaker 1: thought I expected a little bit more. I thought a
Speaker 1: little bit more. Now again, he is a thumper player,
Speaker 1: He's a hundred tackle a year type of guy. You're
Speaker 1: not doing that out here, especially to this team, so
Speaker 1: you're not gonna see that physicality as much. I thought
Speaker 1: we might see a little bit more. Remember he was
Speaker 1: at Pro Bowl safety, so I thought we would see
Speaker 1: a little bit more to that. I just haven't yet.
Speaker 1: That's not necessarily his fault, but I get and I
Speaker 1: just um, he hasn't been bad, but Brent Urban hasn't.
Speaker 1: Just I came, I thought he was gonna be I
Speaker 1: was like, he's definitely the starting one technique, He's gonna
Speaker 1: be the guy. And that's actually been Carlos Watkins. Really
Speaker 1: nobody was talking about before a camp. So it looked
Speaker 1: pretty good here. Yeah, I don't think Urbans had I
Speaker 1: don't think Urban's had a bad camp, but I thought
Speaker 1: he would kind of be more of the guy. I
Speaker 1: got another one. Okay, I'm sorry, Dave Kelvin real Cox.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I was gonna be mine. I haven't seen anything.
Speaker 1: I want I want to see some stuff. He played
Speaker 1: well in the game game, And why did I my wife,
Speaker 1: my voice, kids, I don't know he played well in
Speaker 1: the because you don't even believe it, Like you know,
Speaker 1: he played well in the game, y'all don't believe me.
Speaker 1: He had five tackles, he made a great tackle in
Speaker 1: the he played well in the game sport. He's a gamer.
Speaker 1: I'll throw out one other one. Um and and this
Speaker 1: is only my only my own personal because you guys
Speaker 1: may not have even had the same expectation. I expected
Speaker 1: Terrence still, after all the experience he had last year,
Speaker 1: to be better this year in camp, and I really
Speaker 1: haven't seen it. I still see the same things I
Speaker 1: saw kind of during the season last year, which were
Speaker 1: he's okay, he's gonna give up, still give up a lot.
Speaker 1: He's still not gonna quite be solid enough for you
Speaker 1: to feel great about putting him out there, even in
Speaker 1: back of dude, I don't feel great about that. Um
Speaker 1: so so for me, I just expected a little bit
Speaker 1: more than what I've seen out here. The offseason storyline was,
Speaker 1: you know, everybody's optimistic, you're like stealing night got thrown
Speaker 1: into the fire, that they're gonna be so much better
Speaker 1: for it and they kind of look like the same players. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's almost like that that whole experience didn't really
Speaker 1: net you a ton, you know, at least as of
Speaker 1: right now what I'm seeing sometimes. I mean, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: find Gym's an undrafted free agency all the time, but
Speaker 1: undrafted players, all right, that is a rep guys. We
Speaker 1: appreciate you joining us. We will be back on Monday, actually,
Speaker 1: once we get back to Frisco, we'll be back on
Speaker 1: the air Monday. Check the website. We'll have a full
Speaker 1: schedule up there. We'll continue our shows. We'll get back
Speaker 1: to our normal our normal groups as well. I know
Speaker 1: the break has been intact, but a lot of other
Speaker 1: groups have been kind of mixed based upon who was
Speaker 1: at camp and who wasn't. But we'll back to our
Speaker 1: normal shows starting next week. We'll be alternating days, but
Speaker 1: we start up on Monday, and we'll let you know
Speaker 1: what time on the website later later today hopefully until then.
Speaker 1: For Nick even Dave Hellman, we appreciate you guys. You
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