Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod meets Twirld, the podcast from two guys
Speaker 1: who had never seen an episode of Dancing with the
Speaker 1: Stars but took it on and walked away experts. So
Speaker 1: now we turn to Traders, another show I've never seen,
Speaker 1: while will is convinced that he could win it. We
Speaker 1: are Wilfredell and Ryder Strong, two best friends, one a
Speaker 1: TV expert, one a TV skeptic, both dance scholars, join
Speaker 1: us as we step into a castle full of lies, alliances,
Speaker 1: and over the top wardrobe choices. This is Pod meets
Speaker 1: Twirld Trading Places. How are you feeling about episode nine?
Speaker 1: Will Well, First, I'd like to point to the elephant
Speaker 1: in the room. No cloak today, the cloak I just
Speaker 1: I'm wearing it just for me, and that started to
Speaker 1: feel weird if I'm totally Hans with you. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: no cloak pants, but no cloak. So does this means
Speaker 1: you're no longer a trader, You're now a faithful No?
Speaker 1: I think it just means that I don't want to
Speaker 1: wear the cloak anymore. I'll always be a trader. That's
Speaker 1: just the way it is, all right. I think I
Speaker 1: loved episode nine. By the way, I think it's my
Speaker 1: favorite episode yet. I don't disagree my favorite.
Speaker 2: Episode yet And here's why, because I love Eric as
Speaker 2: a bad trick.
Speaker 1: He's my favorite.
Speaker 2: Just dude, I would see what I were doing, the
Speaker 2: impression of him just trying trying to just walk like.
Speaker 1: He's not guilty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like he's like suddenly going to be holding
Speaker 3: two mugs just to have something to do with his hands.
Speaker 3: I I did not realize how entertaining that could be.
Speaker 1: We were doing that all day. But it's amazing because
Speaker 1: christ is the only one calling him out for it.
Speaker 1: Now it's gonna happen though. He's gonna bomb this so bad.
Speaker 1: Just see what I was doing.
Speaker 2: Things where he's like he's got like the fork and
Speaker 2: he's like there's no food on it and he's putting it,
Speaker 2: so what are what.
Speaker 1: Are you in the k? Hey? Full spell?
Speaker 2: Okay, that's happening today everybody. It's so and he's just
Speaker 2: I can't do this, okay me exactly.
Speaker 1: That's I'm seeing myself and all of his anxiety. I
Speaker 1: love it so much. And the best quote that starts
Speaker 1: the episode, I need a helmet and an adult diaper
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna ship myself and my head was going
Speaker 1: to elode. I was like, dude, this guy is brilliant.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, he went from this quiet guy
Speaker 2: who were like, who kind of is this guy always
Speaker 2: a musician whatever? To now he's my favorite character. And
Speaker 2: so he is a musician, that's what he's known for. Okay,
Speaker 2: God he's funny.
Speaker 1: Geez. I just love watching him. So and and they
Speaker 1: make a perfect combination because Rob is such a pro
Speaker 1: and like when they're just like, we have to kill
Speaker 1: someone tonight, He's like, yeah, it's kind of our job
Speaker 1: and say, wait, tonight we got to do with them.
Speaker 1: It's like this, it's like the odd couple have to
Speaker 1: be traders. I love it. Or it's like you you
Speaker 1: have to bring your little brother in. He's like, all right,
Speaker 1: come on, put the cloak on. I don't come on,
Speaker 1: put it all the way around. I don't need it
Speaker 1: all the way over your eyes. It's the best dynamic.
Speaker 1: I did not know the show needed this, but I
Speaker 1: love it.
Speaker 2: The only thing missing is him constantly calling him like
Speaker 2: Bud and Chief, like you can do a Chief.
Speaker 1: Don't worry, you're doing great, You're doing great. I feel
Speaker 1: like Rob is going to have to just kill Eric.
Speaker 1: He's just gonna have to let him die, Like, do
Speaker 1: you think he's he either did the brilliant thing of
Speaker 1: picking them like just a rube who will go along
Speaker 1: because he's basically gonna Rob still running the show.
Speaker 2: He's going to decide everything, but now he has a
Speaker 2: buffer against anything to where he can have somebody die
Speaker 2: before him.
Speaker 1: He's playing it brilliantly.
Speaker 2: Okay, maybe just misread Eric and thought Eric would be
Speaker 2: better at this, but maybe you're right.
Speaker 1: I think he played it brilliant.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it is just agree. I could
Speaker 2: not disagree. I could not agree with you more. This
Speaker 2: was so fun and just watching him, I was like,
Speaker 2: oh that's writer. But they just made a trader yep,
Speaker 2: and oh god, it's great.
Speaker 1: So the two of them are in the turret. He's
Speaker 1: got his cloak fitted out for him, and the three
Speaker 1: names they throw out or are Derinda, Natalie, and Steven,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know. Rob says that he picked Eric
Speaker 1: because he's intelligent and that he thinks logically, which is true.
Speaker 1: I mean that Eric does seem to you know, I
Speaker 1: think more like you were thinking, like he knew that
Speaker 1: Eric might be bad. At being a trader, and he
Speaker 1: just went for him to have a roube, like somebody
Speaker 1: to pull along and throw under the bus when he
Speaker 1: needs to. I love it all Right, Breakfast, Kristen comes
Speaker 1: in with Mark and Rob immediately saying we need to talk.
Speaker 1: We need to talk.
Speaker 2: One of the other things I love about the show
Speaker 2: is every time anyone is with Rob, they're like, Okay,
Speaker 2: you're the only one I can trust one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: It's like no one has an inkling. Not an inkling.
Speaker 1: It's not an inkling. It's incredible how he's doing it.
Speaker 2: But he's like, Okay, you're the only one of one
Speaker 2: hundred percent you're on. It's Tara.
Speaker 1: It's he's just got a low key like, you know,
Speaker 1: he's just got the right vibe, like he just doesn't
Speaker 1: seem villainous. He doesn't seem like he conniving or you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, like I mean, he said it out
Speaker 1: of one episode he's like, I just come across like
Speaker 1: a dumb Southern boy. I think that's true. I think
Speaker 1: he's just just doesn't read as much more than like
Speaker 1: a pretty guy. And they're feeling for it.
Speaker 2: Really nice and as somebody else said, they're like, he's
Speaker 2: great in the challenges.
Speaker 1: You know, he's got the muscles to help us. It's
Speaker 1: so awesome. So it's pointed out. I guess what Christian's
Speaker 1: pointing out is that Candace pushed Johnny for the shield,
Speaker 1: and since Candace Will turned out to be a trader,
Speaker 1: this is a good and reason to believe that Johnny
Speaker 1: is a trader, which is not a bad argument. And
Speaker 1: again it's logic, it's based on evidence.
Speaker 2: And because of all the paranoia, it adds a whole
Speaker 2: nother level of Oh god, whoever I'm friends with also matters,
Speaker 2: because if one of them turns out to be a trader,
Speaker 2: then I'm tainted too, right, And so here's Johnny, like,
Speaker 2: she's the lesson.
Speaker 1: That this is that Tara and Johnny did not learn
Speaker 1: this lesson, gonna completely screw them because that's exactly what
Speaker 1: you basically watch happened in the course of this episode. Yes,
Speaker 1: like you guys, don't. You can't just do that. You
Speaker 1: can't just cling to any because you're friends with them,
Speaker 1: all right. So Eric comes in with Tara. He can't.
Speaker 2: Even when he's doing his his interview about walking him
Speaker 2: to breakfast, he says, it's my first breakfast.
Speaker 1: Has ting is so nervous, this reluctant, killer good, automatically awkward.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it's just like it's Steve as Shemi with
Speaker 2: a baseball hat, right, like hey fellows high schoolers.
Speaker 1: So just.
Speaker 2: All right, Johnny enter Uh, Johnny has this great thing
Speaker 2: about talking about how he was he trusted Candace and
Speaker 2: he was like a blanket.
Speaker 1: For her, and he's just true. He's exactly ex right,
Speaker 1: and he should be aware now that you know, or
Speaker 1: he is, that it's coming.
Speaker 2: It's turning on him. But like, why do you you
Speaker 2: know you can't trust anybody, including terror. I can't believe
Speaker 2: it's trusted. But again, so here's the thing though, and
Speaker 2: because I was thinking about this, if you and I
Speaker 2: went onto the show together and we looked at each
Speaker 2: other beforehand, as we would, and we were like, no
Speaker 2: matter what happens, we're gonna be honest with each other,
Speaker 2: even if it means I have to. It's like I'll
Speaker 2: give you a wink, I'll give you a nod. We're
Speaker 2: gonna something.
Speaker 1: We got to figure it and not trust it. I
Speaker 1: would not trust it, no, because that's an even trust me.
Speaker 2: I would totally trust you. I would totally trust you.
Speaker 1: Because you know me because I'm horrible at nine, not
Speaker 1: because because like I wouldn't judge you for lying to
Speaker 1: my face in the context of the game. That's hard
Speaker 1: way to the game. Oh, I get it, but it
Speaker 1: would be so old.
Speaker 2: What are you going to do ruin the whole TV
Speaker 2: show that we're on and all the producers by saying
Speaker 2: that you know I'm actually a trader?
Speaker 1: No, we would have, we would.
Speaker 2: There's got to be I mean again, it would be
Speaker 2: so hard with these two people who are best friends
Speaker 2: for fifteen years or however long it's been twenty years
Speaker 2: for them not to be like, we're in this together
Speaker 2: till the end and then lie to one of their
Speaker 2: faces the entire time.
Speaker 1: It'd be that's exactly what they would do. Think about it,
Speaker 1: if if Johnny had been day, if either one of
Speaker 1: them had been picked by as a trader, which they
Speaker 1: probably partly wanted to because you know, being a traders
Speaker 1: that I think the more fun role in this game
Speaker 1: probably that then you would have to know that you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to lie to that person unless you both
Speaker 1: get picked as traders together, which is never gonna happen.
Speaker 1: So to have that sort of packed going into this
Speaker 1: game is just stupid, I guess. And it's pointed out
Speaker 1: to them at the round table when they say it,
Speaker 1: when they revealed their pack, everybody's like, well, we can't.
Speaker 1: You can't trust that, Like that's anti the game. So
Speaker 1: you can say that all you want, but that just
Speaker 1: means that you're either both faithfulls or both traders, or
Speaker 1: one of you is lying to you and like we're
Speaker 1: gonna it doesn't help, It's not doesn't bolster your argument,
Speaker 1: like I would know if he were a trader. No,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't, I guess.
Speaker 2: Also, keeping the secret is kind of what would would
Speaker 2: be ridiculous, like when they when they walked in and
Speaker 2: they're like, we're gonna not let anybody know that we're friends.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be kind.
Speaker 2: It's like that in itself is a detriment because the
Speaker 2: easiest part of being a faithful is you don't have
Speaker 2: to lie right about anything ever. You don't have to
Speaker 2: remember what you said, you don't have to be careful
Speaker 2: about speaking, you don't have to misstep everything you say.
Speaker 2: It's like I can just live my life and try
Speaker 2: to find So if you come in already with a lie,
Speaker 2: and now you're looking at the two of them going, well,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, you were best friends and you specifically
Speaker 2: tried to keep that from us.
Speaker 1: Why why, what's the benefit? Why would you have a
Speaker 1: lie like that? The only thing is like backchannel information
Speaker 1: if one of them is suspected. But like you said,
Speaker 1: if you're just an open book, just be an open book. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just be like we're best friends and like, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just letting you know we're best friends right now.
Speaker 2: If you see us commiserating, we've been besties for fifteen years.
Speaker 1: Yep. We're going to trust one another and you all
Speaker 1: need to know that and take the information into account
Speaker 1: when we're trying to tell you that we're faithfuls or whatever.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's like, it's where they ended up. It's
Speaker 1: you know, where they've ended up. They probably should have
Speaker 1: just started and started with, right, because now they look shady.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, Natalie and Steven then entered breakfast, revealing that Dorinda
Speaker 1: has been murdered, and we get a turret flashback where
Speaker 1: Rob argues for Dorinda. He is clearly just still making
Speaker 1: all the decisions. Yep.
Speaker 2: Eric goes, huh, that's a good idea. Yeah, sure, boss,
Speaker 2: great idea of boss. Hey you're doing great, Pal, you're
Speaker 2: doing great.
Speaker 1: Okay. Then Alan enters, this time looking like my grandmother's
Speaker 1: Christmas plates. Very specifically, he looked like a chandelier. But
Speaker 1: I think right, it's the pattern. I actually think it
Speaker 1: was more like a Japanese sort of like drop painting,
Speaker 1: like one of those like uh. But but for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: it's the right color for exactly the Christmas the plates
Speaker 1: I still have, because you know, my grandmother passed away
Speaker 1: and I have her Christmas place. They are exactly this color.
Speaker 1: Was his hair? Was he going for red, white and blue?
Speaker 1: It's pink, blue and white.
Speaker 2: I mean, was it supposed to be about or was
Speaker 2: this just a random let's make it red, let's make
Speaker 2: it It might have been Scottish flags which were orange.
Speaker 1: That's orange and blue? Is that what it was?
Speaker 2: Orange?
Speaker 1: White and blue is a Scottish flag if I'm correct? Yeah? Orange?
Speaker 1: ORANGEE do my head up? Orange? All right? So after breakfast,
Speaker 1: Johnny and Tara powwow. She tells him that everyone's talking
Speaker 1: about him.
Speaker 2: Johnny has this little speech to camera. He's like, we're
Speaker 2: not good at this game because we didn't play a game.
Speaker 2: We went to the Olympics when we were kids, which
Speaker 2: is super interesting, kind of true, but I just love
Speaker 2: that he's like, Okay, we suck.
Speaker 1: Like the two of them are just realizing they're really terrible.
Speaker 2: And figure skaters and Olympians they start at like three, right,
Speaker 2: you know these people are on skates before they really
Speaker 2: knew how to walk. So he's right, it's like we
Speaker 2: weren't playing games, we were Olympians.
Speaker 1: Totally.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Johnny says that he saw Stephen and Candace talking
Speaker 1: the day before, which is true, and I clocked that
Speaker 1: when it happened, I was like, because they literally kicked
Speaker 1: Johnny out of the room and I was like, it's
Speaker 1: a really bad move Candace. Yeah, and then the fact
Speaker 1: that she did turn so good reason to suspect Steven.
Speaker 1: That's why.
Speaker 2: So how do you play that You're you're in the
Speaker 2: room and you're talking to somebody, and somebody else walks
Speaker 2: in and they go, hey, can we just have a minute.
Speaker 1: I might be like, no, actually, why don't you.
Speaker 2: Have them join us so we don't look like because
Speaker 2: if that person I'm sitting with turns out to be
Speaker 2: a trader.
Speaker 1: I'm done right.
Speaker 2: So it's like it almost seems to me like you
Speaker 2: don't want to be in that situation of kicking someone
Speaker 2: out of a room or hey, can you give us
Speaker 2: a minute, Like let's not do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because there shouldn't be any secrets. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: what do you need to know? Johnny should have known
Speaker 1: the second he was kicked on the room that either
Speaker 1: one of them is a trader, both of them are traders,
Speaker 1: or he's being suspected Johnny is, in which case, don't
Speaker 1: leave nothing. He's coming from that. No no, yeah, like
Speaker 1: there's no good Like you just shouldn't walk away from
Speaker 1: a room, just be like, no, I'm staying. Ar'm invited
Speaker 1: everybody in here and we can all talk it out exactly, yeah,
Speaker 1: which is kind of what Michael was trying to do
Speaker 1: all the time. I feel like Rapperport was all constantly
Speaker 1: like confronting and like bring everybody, which is annoying, but
Speaker 1: it's also kind of the only way to play because
Speaker 1: by by whispering and having sidebars with people, it doesn't
Speaker 1: seem to work.
Speaker 2: I and I've said this, I said this last episode.
Speaker 1: I'm saying it again.
Speaker 2: It seems like eight months ago since he and Ron
Speaker 2: and even Jam Jam we're on the show.
Speaker 1: I just it seems forever ago.
Speaker 2: It is a complete do you realize in the in
Speaker 2: the sense of shooting Michael Rappaport was there three days
Speaker 2: ago or four days ago, was literally in the castle,
Speaker 2: And it just it's so funny.
Speaker 1: Every day of house spoken, so their brains are just scrambled.
Speaker 1: You're constantly like paranoid and second guessing yourself. But then
Speaker 1: I loved this moment where Maura, Rob and Eric are
Speaker 1: talking and Eric is just describing Rob as an eagle
Speaker 1: worried about the game. It's like he's just sitting on
Speaker 1: the couch. It's like sleeveless arms, which by the way,
Speaker 1: have snakes on them. Yeah, like as if it's like
Speaker 1: he's like, it's literally like he's a snake. You know.
Speaker 2: He reminds me of like a G. I. Joe character
Speaker 2: that's like actually Cobra, So he bought him as a
Speaker 2: G I. Joe, Like, oh my god, and then he
Speaker 2: turns out to be bad like zar Can. It's like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, he's yes.
Speaker 1: I love the difference between the of them.
Speaker 2: You can just tell Eric is like heart racing and
Speaker 2: just like cool cool looking at.
Speaker 1: Eric, like waiting for him to screw it up. It
Speaker 1: is just but him.
Speaker 2: Eric, just he's such a deer in the headlights and
Speaker 2: it is so fun to watch.
Speaker 1: And then Tara and Kristen have this moment where Tara
Speaker 1: tries to get her on the Stephen bandwagon and Kristen
Speaker 1: just looks at Terrences I think it's you, which is
Speaker 1: bad ass. I was kind of every single cool man
Speaker 1: so awesome. She's really yeah, she's cool and and she's
Speaker 1: just not afraid. And you know, also she does the
Speaker 1: same thing to Eric at the end of this episode,
Speaker 1: which is pretty impressive.
Speaker 2: And oh and just the way she covers herself too,
Speaker 2: where she's like, so if I'm not here tomorrow, if
Speaker 2: I get yss, it's Eric.
Speaker 1: It's like, yes, oh you've.
Speaker 2: Just saved You're so smart, Yes, you just saved yourself.
Speaker 2: If you have an opinion, you tell it to the
Speaker 2: person you have it to, and you tell it to
Speaker 2: everybody else.
Speaker 1: And that's just out in the open. And then when
Speaker 1: you come up at roundtable, you're not being duplicitous, because
Speaker 1: that's the thing, like, if you're being duplicitous at all
Speaker 1: in this game, if you're saying one thing to somebody's
Speaker 1: face and doing something else, it's gonna come out at roundtable,
Speaker 1: and invariably that's going to backfire on you. So I
Speaker 1: think you're right, man. The best strategy is to just
Speaker 1: be us upfront with everybody all the time. Deny.
Speaker 2: You get people that deny things they said right, like,
Speaker 2: but you you're faithful.
Speaker 1: And you're denying.
Speaker 2: You said something like that, Just why yes, I said that?
Speaker 1: That's so weird? All right? Then we get this mission
Speaker 1: with these boxes and questions. Uh, this is his ericle
Speaker 1: that Eric has to sneak out of a box like
Speaker 1: the first time, Like, right, do you think they added
Speaker 1: the freaks? And if it was creaking that loud you
Speaker 1: would even try? You just feel like, no, I'm just
Speaker 1: letting not gonna.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, they're foldying a lot of this
Speaker 1: or oh I thought this was probably the best challenge.
Speaker 1: I mean, I loved the cabin challenges just for their
Speaker 1: set pieces and the like horror film stuff, but this
Speaker 1: one actually made some sense in that it reminded me
Speaker 1: a lot of the game Mafia when you play it
Speaker 1: at home, where everyone puts their head down. I've never
Speaker 1: never played. Okay, so the way you play Mafia or
Speaker 1: Werewolf is the other version. Everybody closes their eyes and
Speaker 1: puts their head down, and then there's like a game
Speaker 1: master or whatever says will the killers open their eyes
Speaker 1: and so while your head isn't down on the table,
Speaker 1: if you're like an innocent victim, all the killers are
Speaker 1: looking at each other and signaling like so you have
Speaker 1: to do it basically, have to do it right in
Speaker 1: front of each other, just like this where they have
Speaker 1: to like get out of their box, walk into an
Speaker 1: area and talk. I thought that was like it was
Speaker 1: kind of getting back to the roots of these kinds
Speaker 1: of games, which is you have to do it right
Speaker 1: in front of them. Yeah, that's super fun, super fun.
Speaker 1: But then it didn't really work because they could just
Speaker 1: make up their answers like it didn't like, well, yeah
Speaker 1: I didn't. I kind of.
Speaker 2: I thought it was kind of genius to just pick
Speaker 2: on one person essentially, right, because it's just just it
Speaker 2: completely destabilizes anybody's predictions. It's super smart, and they sacrifice
Speaker 2: the money too, which was I think, whopping eighty three
Speaker 2: hundred se Well, but this is the.
Speaker 1: Problem is that the money is not enough of an
Speaker 1: incentive these challenges incentive. The only way the challenges have
Speaker 1: gotten exciting as far as rewards is the dagger and
Speaker 1: shield stuff. Yeah, so they really should only be playing
Speaker 1: with that. This whole idea of increasing the money when
Speaker 1: you're talking about celebrities who are probably all worth millions
Speaker 1: of dollars, Like, I just don't think it matters if
Speaker 1: they made eight thousand more dollars or whatever.
Speaker 2: It's a and you think about it too, if you
Speaker 2: won some kind of clue to who the traders were, Yes,
Speaker 2: it would add another level because that's brilliant, man, because
Speaker 2: if you think about it, if the person who rushes
Speaker 2: there could be a trader who doesn't want the information
Speaker 2: out or could want the information to find out who
Speaker 2: the trader is, and you'd never know, right, So it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: you got the information, Okay, God Rob got there first
Speaker 2: because he's fastest, Well did he Is he doing that
Speaker 2: because he's a trader, or is he doing that because
Speaker 2: now he has the info? And then if you're the
Speaker 2: only one who's allowed to look at the info and
Speaker 2: you're a trader, you can then lie about.
Speaker 1: What the information is.
Speaker 2: That's great, dude, to put it onto somebody else, be
Speaker 2: like it's you know, oh my god, all we know
Speaker 2: is that something high.
Speaker 1: So there should be like a book with like like
Speaker 1: facts about the traders. And if you get that, you
Speaker 1: get thirty seconds to glimpse at a page of it
Speaker 1: or something. If you win.
Speaker 2: Something and idea it's it's like it's it's something so easy,
Speaker 2: like high heels, and it's like, Okay, then I know
Speaker 2: it's a woman or something like that, or just that
Speaker 2: they're from the United States. Yes, yes, of some sort. Yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe you've got to try to figure out. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's so so many ways to do it.
Speaker 1: But that's right, great, it's a good idea. There's a
Speaker 1: much better incentive than money. Yes, you can find out
Speaker 1: something about the traders.
Speaker 2: All right. Well, they end up doing Tara for all
Speaker 2: of these, which was a kind of brilliant strategy on.
Speaker 1: The rock spart once again it's all just rob and
Speaker 1: then we get this. They get to short list four
Speaker 1: names for murder. They they're trapped in their boxes for
Speaker 1: I guess like another ten minutes after.
Speaker 2: Everyone leaves, right, so yeah, yeah, exactly, And those four
Speaker 2: are Johnny, Tara, and Natalie and Kristen. Oh also, I
Speaker 2: forgot to mention Tara and Johnny didn't follow everyone voting
Speaker 2: for Tara.
Speaker 1: No, when they said when everyone's like, oh for Tara,
Speaker 1: which is weird, it's just a really bad move on
Speaker 1: their part, like they're really acting like a couple of traders,
Speaker 1: which yeah, it's not. It's why wouldn't you just vote
Speaker 1: for yourself? You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, they're obviously picking me every time, everybody,
Speaker 2: just vote for me. It's going to be me again.
Speaker 2: Just vote for me and then you win the money.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was weird that the only two. But again,
Speaker 2: when you're micro looking at every little thing, every little
Speaker 2: thing to you that's normal is a misstep to somebody else,
Speaker 2: which is what's so brilliant about it, because now people
Speaker 2: are already thinking it's the two of them.
Speaker 1: Now they voted against you. Now as a.
Speaker 2: Trader, you're like, oh, now I can focus right on
Speaker 2: them because they screwed up again. So yeah, they're just
Speaker 2: not playing well, and you use that when you're a trader.
Speaker 1: It's great. So after the game, Natalie starts gunning for Steven.
Speaker 1: Christian points out that she told Tara it was her
Speaker 1: and now Natalie ended up in the box, and Tara
Speaker 1: and Johnny decide to let it out that they're a
Speaker 1: team because they have nothing left. She's just such a
Speaker 1: strange thing. I know, I know. So we gets to
Speaker 1: the roundtable and Tara and Johnny talk about their alignment
Speaker 1: and how they've been blind to everybody, which is just weird.
Speaker 1: But then they're saying that they're faithful, and then they
Speaker 1: sort of turn on Steven, which you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess there's some evidence for Steven, but for the
Speaker 1: most part, it seems like everyone's argument is just like
Speaker 1: that guy over there who's not me.
Speaker 2: Except for Rob, who's now in a position to where
Speaker 2: I think about it. In one move, Steven's gone, and
Speaker 2: it seems like Johnny and Tara are the next to go.
Speaker 2: So he could have gotten three faithfuls out just by
Speaker 2: writing Stephen's name on the thing. And now you just
Speaker 2: let nature take its course, keep it up with Johnny
Speaker 2: and Tara the way that it's going, and right there,
Speaker 2: three out boom, and then you're at the end, because
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: There's only two round tables left. Yeah, so then you've
Speaker 1: made the end.
Speaker 2: You've already set up your next kills without having to
Speaker 2: do any thing, and it's like boom, you just there
Speaker 2: you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Eric's gonna screw it up, though of course he is.
Speaker 2: I was waiting for him to be like hey, like
Speaker 2: literally in the middle of everyone, be like, hey, Rob,
Speaker 2: maybe we should kill them next.
Speaker 1: Oh oh, wasn't supposed to say sorry. There's also this
Speaker 1: weird moment where Natalie, you know, she makes this argument
Speaker 1: for Stephen, and then when the dagger vote comes up,
Speaker 1: she sort of forces Rob to admit he has it,
Speaker 1: but no one heard it. I don't think.
Speaker 2: No, he says, he says I have it, but he
Speaker 2: whisperspered I have it, and nobody I don't think. Because
Speaker 2: she said I'm this is why so I was we
Speaker 2: were going to jump ahead. I think she's going to
Speaker 2: be the kill tonight. Yeah, the killer was left at
Speaker 2: the cliffhanger. I think she's going to be the kill
Speaker 2: because she said, I'm the last one who knows that
Speaker 2: you have the dagger.
Speaker 1: And she's like, say you have the dagger, and he's like,
Speaker 1: I have the dag. So is that true? She really
Speaker 1: is the last one.
Speaker 2: She was the last one of the group that was
Speaker 2: there to find out that he had the dagger, so
Speaker 2: he gets rid of her.
Speaker 1: Nobody knows he's got two votes left. God, I can't
Speaker 1: believe that. She yeah, it's yeah. I don't know how
Speaker 1: the whole dagger thing is going to play out. But
Speaker 1: he says he doesn't mind if everybody knows. He says
Speaker 1: he doesn't care.
Speaker 2: But I don't think he said it. I think they
Speaker 2: shot it in a strange way, but I think he
Speaker 2: whispered it.
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think everybody knows that he
Speaker 1: has the dagger, but I could be wrong. They might not.
Speaker 1: I feel like he admitted it, and no one really
Speaker 1: cared that much because it was just like, oh okay,
Speaker 1: because they knew it was one of those six people
Speaker 1: or whatever. And again for us, we're like, who was
Speaker 1: that week's ago, But for them, it's like, oh, that
Speaker 1: was three days ago, right, so they'd remember it. I
Speaker 1: really don't remember who was in that group. I don't either.
Speaker 2: I think it was Stephen, but then Stephen would yeah,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: No, then I guess not. Yeah, God, I don't remember. See,
Speaker 1: I don't know if she's right. I think she might
Speaker 1: have said that, but not been correct. That's possible too well.
Speaker 1: In any case, the votes go for Stephen, so I
Speaker 1: guess Tara and Johnny's gamble played off, but they made it.
Speaker 2: They're marked, as Steven Siegall said in the eighties, you're
Speaker 2: marked for death.
Speaker 1: Bro yep. And Natalie apologizes to Rob and Eric, which
Speaker 1: is hysterical. She's like, I'm so sorry I've gone for
Speaker 1: you know, and it's like, yeah, well you you just
Speaker 1: helped them perfectly apologizing to the traders.
Speaker 2: His response is the best acting ever where he just
Speaker 2: looks at her. He's like, no, no, it's fine, but
Speaker 2: that was that was a big one. Like he was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that was mean, sad man. You like, I followed you
Speaker 2: because I trust you, but yikes, that just drawing her
Speaker 2: even more to his side.
Speaker 1: Everything this guy does is beautifully calculated. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: And then Kristen turns on Eric in front of Mark
Speaker 1: smart Man, and then Rob walks in on it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's very smart. She's also accurate, Like she's calling out
Speaker 1: the fact that he has gotten quieter. You know, I
Speaker 1: feel like he's always been a little like nervous and quiet,
Speaker 1: So I think she's coming on. But she must have
Speaker 1: noticed like something extra because she's right and he is
Speaker 1: more nervous and he doesn't know what to do. And
Speaker 1: I think, you know, based on the discussion in the turret,
Speaker 1: which is essentially like we we can't kill Kristen now
Speaker 1: because she literally told multiple people that if I die,
Speaker 1: Eric is the killer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Eric's got to suck it up and perform
Speaker 2: as if he's a faithful and I just don't think
Speaker 2: he's going to pull it off, which I cannot wait
Speaker 2: to see. I can't wait to see it. And I
Speaker 2: also think there's a good chance this is maybe what
Speaker 2: Rob wanted. Yeah, so yeah, because in this case, he's
Speaker 2: gonna let Eric take the fall for you know, being
Speaker 2: banished and still be completely under the radar himself, yes,
Speaker 2: be able to.
Speaker 1: I mean he'll probably. I think they'll murder Natalie tonight.
Speaker 1: I think so too, and then too because but if
Speaker 1: you murder Natalie, who does that point to? It makes
Speaker 1: it See, but now one's never going for Johnny and Tara.
Speaker 1: The other option is you kill either Johnny or Tara
Speaker 1: to set the other one up, because like if you
Speaker 1: killed Tara, which is just bizarre, but it could make
Speaker 1: it make people think that Johnny was lying to her
Speaker 1: the whole time. Yeah, that's impossible too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's it's it's constantly amazed the people
Speaker 2: that are always under the radar. Nobody's ever said Mark,
Speaker 2: nobody's ever said Kristin. And the only person of this
Speaker 2: said Rob was another trader who knew he was a trader.
Speaker 1: Right, And Natalie hasn't really come up as a trader
Speaker 1: for a long time. I feel like she did early
Speaker 1: in a couple.
Speaker 2: But again, that's what I mean is even early on,
Speaker 2: no one was like, it's Mark or it's Kristin. Like
Speaker 2: there's some people that have just the entire time, everyone's like,
Speaker 2: I know you're a faithful like really, including Rob. Yes,
Speaker 2: it's so weird, it's so strange. It's such a great
Speaker 2: kind of psychology of people. Why do you instantly trust
Speaker 2: this person and instantly distrust this person? Hmmm?
Speaker 1: Crazy?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: And as uh, you're well aware not only am an
Speaker 2: expert on dance, but I'm also now an expert on
Speaker 2: famous traders throughout history.
Speaker 1: Sure in a segment that I like to call.
Speaker 3: For famous traders from where from history?
Speaker 1: Still working on the song it's not my favorite that
Speaker 1: became that was totally like schoolhouse rocks. It was Well,
Speaker 1: that's what I was trying to from where, from where?
Speaker 1: From history? I'm just a trader, just an ordinary trader. Yeah.
Speaker 2: This is Philippe Patain eighteen fifty six to nineteen fifty one.
Speaker 2: Philip Patain went from being one of France's greatest heroes
Speaker 2: from World War One to a villafied figure who collaborated
Speaker 2: with the Nazis and headed France's v She government during
Speaker 2: World War Two. Bataine earned the nickname the Lion of
Speaker 2: Verdun for winning one of the war's bloodiest battles.
Speaker 1: That's what I said.
Speaker 2: After France collapsed during the Nazi blick Skreak in nineteen forty,
Speaker 2: the French asked the eighty four year old Patained to
Speaker 2: form a government, but he chose to surrender and align
Speaker 2: the fascist Fishi government with Azi Germany. When the war
Speaker 2: was over, he was charged with treason along with other
Speaker 2: members of the Vishi regime and sentenced to death, but
Speaker 2: the execution was stayed because of his past heroism, and
Speaker 2: he lived out the rest of his life in a
Speaker 2: fortress off France's Atlantic coast. Wow, yeah, crazy right, I mean.
Speaker 1: Living in that fortress by yourself, just knowing that like
Speaker 1: your country.
Speaker 2: Hates you, everybody hates everybody hates you.
Speaker 1: You probably should have been killed, but luckily you would
Speaker 1: be literally.
Speaker 2: Just waiting for you to die in this fortress because
Speaker 2: we want to airbnb it and you're in the way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was pretty much what's happening? What was it
Speaker 1: like to be a family member of somebody like that? Right,
Speaker 1: Like you're just like, well, like, I'm glad they're not
Speaker 1: getting killed.
Speaker 2: But yeah, well, I mean I think Patsy was an
Speaker 2: actual Italian trader or something, and a lot of his
Speaker 2: family people change their names. It's like you just don't
Speaker 2: want to I can have anybody. When's the last time
Speaker 2: you met you know? Hi, I'm Doug Hitler. Right, No,
Speaker 2: it's never happened.
Speaker 1: People, They just the first name is longer. Now you
Speaker 1: change your name and you walk away. Absolutely all right.
Speaker 1: Well that's it for this episode of pod Mates Twirled.
Speaker 2: Alliances were tested, trust misplaced, and once again we're left
Speaker 2: with a cliffhanger.
Speaker 1: Join us next time as we continue our journey through
Speaker 1: season four of Traders, a show in which, as Shakespeare
Speaker 1: said in his Scottish play Fair, is foul and foul
Speaker 1: is fair.