1 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod meets Twirld, the podcast from two guys 2 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: who had never seen an episode of Dancing with the 3 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: Stars but took it on and walked away experts. So 4 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: now we turn to Traders, another show I've never seen, 5 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,159 Speaker 1: while will is convinced that he could win it. We 6 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: are Wilfredell and Ryder Strong, two best friends, one a 7 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: TV expert, one a TV skeptic, both dance scholars, join 8 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: us as we step into a castle full of lies, alliances, 9 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: and over the top wardrobe choices. This is Pod meets 10 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: Twirld Trading Places. How are you feeling about episode nine? 11 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 1: Will Well, First, I'd like to point to the elephant 12 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: in the room. No cloak today, the cloak I just 13 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: I'm wearing it just for me, and that started to 14 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: feel weird if I'm totally Hans with you. Yeah, so 15 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: no cloak pants, but no cloak. So does this means 16 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: you're no longer a trader, You're now a faithful No? 17 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: I think it just means that I don't want to 18 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: wear the cloak anymore. I'll always be a trader. That's 19 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: just the way it is, all right. I think I 20 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: loved episode nine. By the way, I think it's my 21 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: favorite episode yet. I don't disagree my favorite. 22 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 2: Episode yet And here's why, because I love Eric as 23 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 2: a bad trick. 24 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: He's my favorite. 25 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 2: Just dude, I would see what I were doing, the 26 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 2: impression of him just trying trying to just walk like. 27 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: He's not guilty. 28 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like he's like suddenly going to be holding 29 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 3: two mugs just to have something to do with his hands. 30 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 3: I I did not realize how entertaining that could be. 31 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: We were doing that all day. But it's amazing because 32 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: christ is the only one calling him out for it. 33 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: Now it's gonna happen though. He's gonna bomb this so bad. 34 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: Just see what I was doing. 35 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 2: Things where he's like he's got like the fork and 36 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 2: he's like there's no food on it and he's putting it, 37 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: so what are what. 38 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: Are you in the k? Hey? Full spell? 39 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 2: Okay, that's happening today everybody. It's so and he's just 40 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 2: I can't do this, okay me exactly. 41 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: That's I'm seeing myself and all of his anxiety. I 42 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 1: love it so much. And the best quote that starts 43 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: the episode, I need a helmet and an adult diaper 44 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: because I'm gonna ship myself and my head was going 45 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: to elode. I was like, dude, this guy is brilliant. 46 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 2: All of a sudden, he went from this quiet guy 47 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 2: who were like, who kind of is this guy always 48 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 2: a musician whatever? To now he's my favorite character. And 49 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 2: so he is a musician, that's what he's known for. Okay, 50 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 2: God he's funny. 51 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: Geez. I just love watching him. So and and they 52 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: make a perfect combination because Rob is such a pro 53 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 1: and like when they're just like, we have to kill 54 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: someone tonight, He's like, yeah, it's kind of our job 55 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: and say, wait, tonight we got to do with them. 56 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: It's like this, it's like the odd couple have to 57 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: be traders. I love it. Or it's like you you 58 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: have to bring your little brother in. He's like, all right, 59 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: come on, put the cloak on. I don't come on, 60 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: put it all the way around. I don't need it 61 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: all the way over your eyes. It's the best dynamic. 62 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: I did not know the show needed this, but I 63 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: love it. 64 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 2: The only thing missing is him constantly calling him like 65 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 2: Bud and Chief, like you can do a Chief. 66 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: Don't worry, you're doing great, You're doing great. I feel 67 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 1: like Rob is going to have to just kill Eric. 68 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: He's just gonna have to let him die, Like, do 69 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: you think he's he either did the brilliant thing of 70 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: picking them like just a rube who will go along 71 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: because he's basically gonna Rob still running the show. 72 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 2: He's going to decide everything, but now he has a 73 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 2: buffer against anything to where he can have somebody die 74 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 2: before him. 75 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: He's playing it brilliantly. 76 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 2: Okay, maybe just misread Eric and thought Eric would be 77 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 2: better at this, but maybe you're right. 78 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: I think he played it brilliant. 79 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 2: I don't know, but it is just agree. I could 80 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 2: not disagree. I could not agree with you more. This 81 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 2: was so fun and just watching him, I was like, 82 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 2: oh that's writer. But they just made a trader yep, 83 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 2: and oh god, it's great. 84 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: So the two of them are in the turret. He's 85 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: got his cloak fitted out for him, and the three 86 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: names they throw out or are Derinda, Natalie, and Steven, 87 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: and uh, you know. Rob says that he picked Eric 88 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: because he's intelligent and that he thinks logically, which is true. 89 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: I mean that Eric does seem to you know, I 90 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: think more like you were thinking, like he knew that 91 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 1: Eric might be bad. At being a trader, and he 92 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: just went for him to have a roube, like somebody 93 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: to pull along and throw under the bus when he 94 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 1: needs to. I love it all Right, Breakfast, Kristen comes 95 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 1: in with Mark and Rob immediately saying we need to talk. 96 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: We need to talk. 97 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 2: One of the other things I love about the show 98 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 2: is every time anyone is with Rob, they're like, Okay, 99 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:40,799 Speaker 2: you're the only one I can trust one hundred percent. 100 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 4: I know. 101 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: It's like no one has an inkling. Not an inkling. 102 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: It's not an inkling. It's incredible how he's doing it. 103 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 2: But he's like, Okay, you're the only one of one 104 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 2: hundred percent you're on. It's Tara. 105 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: It's he's just got a low key like, you know, 106 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,119 Speaker 1: he's just got the right vibe, like he just doesn't 107 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: seem villainous. He doesn't seem like he conniving or you know, 108 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: I don't know, like I mean, he said it out 109 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: of one episode he's like, I just come across like 110 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 1: a dumb Southern boy. I think that's true. I think 111 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: he's just just doesn't read as much more than like 112 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: a pretty guy. And they're feeling for it. 113 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 2: Really nice and as somebody else said, they're like, he's 114 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 2: great in the challenges. 115 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: You know, he's got the muscles to help us. It's 116 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: so awesome. So it's pointed out. I guess what Christian's 117 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: pointing out is that Candace pushed Johnny for the shield, 118 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: and since Candace Will turned out to be a trader, 119 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: this is a good and reason to believe that Johnny 120 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: is a trader, which is not a bad argument. And 121 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 1: again it's logic, it's based on evidence. 122 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 2: And because of all the paranoia, it adds a whole 123 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 2: nother level of Oh god, whoever I'm friends with also matters, 124 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 2: because if one of them turns out to be a trader, 125 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 2: then I'm tainted too, right, And so here's Johnny, like, 126 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 2: she's the lesson. 127 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: That this is that Tara and Johnny did not learn 128 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: this lesson, gonna completely screw them because that's exactly what 129 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: you basically watch happened in the course of this episode. Yes, 130 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: like you guys, don't. You can't just do that. You 131 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: can't just cling to any because you're friends with them, 132 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: all right. So Eric comes in with Tara. He can't. 133 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 2: Even when he's doing his his interview about walking him 134 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 2: to breakfast, he says, it's my first breakfast. 135 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: Has ting is so nervous, this reluctant, killer good, automatically awkward. 136 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it's just like it's Steve as Shemi with 137 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 2: a baseball hat, right, like hey fellows high schoolers. 138 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:40,359 Speaker 1: So just. 139 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 2: All right, Johnny enter Uh, Johnny has this great thing 140 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 2: about talking about how he was he trusted Candace and 141 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 2: he was like a blanket. 142 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: For her, and he's just true. He's exactly ex right, 143 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: and he should be aware now that you know, or 144 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: he is, that it's coming. 145 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 2: It's turning on him. But like, why do you you 146 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 2: know you can't trust anybody, including terror. I can't believe 147 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 2: it's trusted. But again, so here's the thing though, and 148 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 2: because I was thinking about this, if you and I 149 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 2: went onto the show together and we looked at each 150 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 2: other beforehand, as we would, and we were like, no 151 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 2: matter what happens, we're gonna be honest with each other, 152 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 2: even if it means I have to. It's like I'll 153 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 2: give you a wink, I'll give you a nod. We're 154 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 2: gonna something. 155 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: We got to figure it and not trust it. I 156 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: would not trust it, no, because that's an even trust me. 157 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 2: I would totally trust you. I would totally trust you. 158 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: Because you know me because I'm horrible at nine, not 159 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: because because like I wouldn't judge you for lying to 160 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: my face in the context of the game. That's hard 161 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: way to the game. Oh, I get it, but it 162 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: would be so old. 163 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 2: What are you going to do ruin the whole TV 164 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 2: show that we're on and all the producers by saying 165 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 2: that you know I'm actually a trader? 166 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: No, we would have, we would. 167 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 2: There's got to be I mean again, it would be 168 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 2: so hard with these two people who are best friends 169 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 2: for fifteen years or however long it's been twenty years 170 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,239 Speaker 2: for them not to be like, we're in this together 171 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 2: till the end and then lie to one of their 172 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 2: faces the entire time. 173 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: It'd be that's exactly what they would do. Think about it, 174 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: if if Johnny had been day, if either one of 175 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: them had been picked by as a trader, which they 176 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: probably partly wanted to because you know, being a traders 177 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: that I think the more fun role in this game 178 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: probably that then you would have to know that you're 179 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: gonna have to lie to that person unless you both 180 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: get picked as traders together, which is never gonna happen. 181 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: So to have that sort of packed going into this 182 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: game is just stupid, I guess. And it's pointed out 183 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: to them at the round table when they say it, 184 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 1: when they revealed their pack, everybody's like, well, we can't. 185 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 1: You can't trust that, Like that's anti the game. So 186 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: you can say that all you want, but that just 187 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: means that you're either both faithfulls or both traders, or 188 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: one of you is lying to you and like we're 189 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: gonna it doesn't help, It's not doesn't bolster your argument, 190 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: like I would know if he were a trader. No, 191 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: you wouldn't, I guess. 192 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 2: Also, keeping the secret is kind of what would would 193 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 2: be ridiculous, like when they when they walked in and 194 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 2: they're like, we're gonna not let anybody know that we're friends. 195 00:08:58,720 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: It's gonna be kind. 196 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 2: It's like that in itself is a detriment because the 197 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 2: easiest part of being a faithful is you don't have 198 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 2: to lie right about anything ever. You don't have to 199 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 2: remember what you said, you don't have to be careful 200 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 2: about speaking, you don't have to misstep everything you say. 201 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 2: It's like I can just live my life and try 202 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 2: to find So if you come in already with a lie, 203 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 2: and now you're looking at the two of them going, well, 204 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 2: wait a minute, you were best friends and you specifically 205 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 2: tried to keep that from us. 206 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: Why why, what's the benefit? Why would you have a 207 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 1: lie like that? The only thing is like backchannel information 208 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: if one of them is suspected. But like you said, 209 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: if you're just an open book, just be an open book. Yeah, 210 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: just be like we're best friends and like, yeah. 211 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, just letting you know we're best friends right now. 212 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 2: If you see us commiserating, we've been besties for fifteen years. 213 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 1: Yep. We're going to trust one another and you all 214 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: need to know that and take the information into account 215 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: when we're trying to tell you that we're faithfuls or whatever. 216 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 1: I mean, that's like, it's where they ended up. It's 217 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: you know, where they've ended up. They probably should have 218 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: just started and started with, right, because now they look shady. 219 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. 220 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 4: Yeah. 221 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: Well, Natalie and Steven then entered breakfast, revealing that Dorinda 222 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: has been murdered, and we get a turret flashback where 223 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: Rob argues for Dorinda. He is clearly just still making 224 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: all the decisions. Yep. 225 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 2: Eric goes, huh, that's a good idea. Yeah, sure, boss, 226 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 2: great idea of boss. Hey you're doing great, Pal, you're 227 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 2: doing great. 228 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: Okay. Then Alan enters, this time looking like my grandmother's 229 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: Christmas plates. Very specifically, he looked like a chandelier. But 230 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: I think right, it's the pattern. I actually think it 231 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: was more like a Japanese sort of like drop painting, 232 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: like one of those like uh. But but for whatever reason, 233 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: it's the right color for exactly the Christmas the plates 234 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: I still have, because you know, my grandmother passed away 235 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: and I have her Christmas place. They are exactly this color. 236 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: Was his hair? Was he going for red, white and blue? 237 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: It's pink, blue and white. 238 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 2: I mean, was it supposed to be about or was 239 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 2: this just a random let's make it red, let's make 240 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 2: it It might have been Scottish flags which were orange. 241 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:15,839 Speaker 1: That's orange and blue? Is that what it was? 242 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 2: Orange? 243 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:21,439 Speaker 1: White and blue is a Scottish flag if I'm correct? Yeah? Orange? 244 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: ORANGEE do my head up? Orange? All right? So after breakfast, 245 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: Johnny and Tara powwow. She tells him that everyone's talking 246 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: about him. 247 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 2: Johnny has this little speech to camera. He's like, we're 248 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 2: not good at this game because we didn't play a game. 249 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 2: We went to the Olympics when we were kids, which 250 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 2: is super interesting, kind of true, but I just love 251 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 2: that he's like, Okay, we suck. 252 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: Like the two of them are just realizing they're really terrible. 253 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 2: And figure skaters and Olympians they start at like three, right, 254 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,439 Speaker 2: you know these people are on skates before they really 255 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 2: knew how to walk. So he's right, it's like we 256 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,559 Speaker 2: weren't playing games, we were Olympians. 257 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 1: Totally. 258 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 4: Yeah. 259 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: So Johnny says that he saw Stephen and Candace talking 260 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: the day before, which is true, and I clocked that 261 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: when it happened, I was like, because they literally kicked 262 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: Johnny out of the room and I was like, it's 263 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: a really bad move Candace. Yeah, and then the fact 264 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: that she did turn so good reason to suspect Steven. 265 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: That's why. 266 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 2: So how do you play that You're you're in the 267 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 2: room and you're talking to somebody, and somebody else walks 268 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 2: in and they go, hey, can we just have a minute. 269 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 1: I might be like, no, actually, why don't you. 270 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 2: Have them join us so we don't look like because 271 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 2: if that person I'm sitting with turns out to be 272 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 2: a trader. 273 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: I'm done right. 274 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 2: So it's like it almost seems to me like you 275 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 2: don't want to be in that situation of kicking someone 276 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 2: out of a room or hey, can you give us 277 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 2: a minute, Like let's not do that. 278 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, because there shouldn't be any secrets. Yeah, I mean, 279 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,959 Speaker 1: what do you need to know? Johnny should have known 280 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: the second he was kicked on the room that either 281 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: one of them is a trader, both of them are traders, 282 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: or he's being suspected Johnny is, in which case, don't 283 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: leave nothing. He's coming from that. No no, yeah, like 284 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: there's no good Like you just shouldn't walk away from 285 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: a room, just be like, no, I'm staying. Ar'm invited 286 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: everybody in here and we can all talk it out exactly, yeah, 287 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: which is kind of what Michael was trying to do 288 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: all the time. I feel like Rapperport was all constantly 289 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: like confronting and like bring everybody, which is annoying, but 290 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: it's also kind of the only way to play because 291 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 1: by by whispering and having sidebars with people, it doesn't 292 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: seem to work. 293 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 2: I and I've said this, I said this last episode. 294 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: I'm saying it again. 295 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 2: It seems like eight months ago since he and Ron 296 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 2: and even Jam Jam we're on the show. 297 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: I just it seems forever ago. 298 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 2: It is a complete do you realize in the in 299 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 2: the sense of shooting Michael Rappaport was there three days 300 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 2: ago or four days ago, was literally in the castle, 301 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 2: And it just it's so funny. 302 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: Every day of house spoken, so their brains are just scrambled. 303 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: You're constantly like paranoid and second guessing yourself. But then 304 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: I loved this moment where Maura, Rob and Eric are 305 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: talking and Eric is just describing Rob as an eagle 306 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: worried about the game. It's like he's just sitting on 307 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 1: the couch. It's like sleeveless arms, which by the way, 308 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: have snakes on them. Yeah, like as if it's like 309 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: he's like, it's literally like he's a snake. You know. 310 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 2: He reminds me of like a G. I. Joe character 311 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 2: that's like actually Cobra, So he bought him as a 312 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 2: G I. Joe, Like, oh my god, and then he 313 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 2: turns out to be bad like zar Can. It's like, 314 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 2: oh my god, he's yes. 315 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: I love the difference between the of them. 316 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 2: You can just tell Eric is like heart racing and 317 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 2: just like cool cool looking at. 318 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: Eric, like waiting for him to screw it up. It 319 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: is just but him. 320 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 2: Eric, just he's such a deer in the headlights and 321 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 2: it is so fun to watch. 322 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: And then Tara and Kristen have this moment where Tara 323 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: tries to get her on the Stephen bandwagon and Kristen 324 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: just looks at Terrences I think it's you, which is 325 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: bad ass. I was kind of every single cool man 326 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: so awesome. She's really yeah, she's cool and and she's 327 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: just not afraid. And you know, also she does the 328 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: same thing to Eric at the end of this episode, 329 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: which is pretty impressive. 330 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 2: And oh and just the way she covers herself too, 331 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 2: where she's like, so if I'm not here tomorrow, if 332 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 2: I get yss, it's Eric. 333 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: It's like, yes, oh you've. 334 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 2: Just saved You're so smart, Yes, you just saved yourself. 335 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 2: If you have an opinion, you tell it to the 336 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 2: person you have it to, and you tell it to 337 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 2: everybody else. 338 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: And that's just out in the open. And then when 339 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: you come up at roundtable, you're not being duplicitous, because 340 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: that's the thing, like, if you're being duplicitous at all 341 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: in this game, if you're saying one thing to somebody's 342 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: face and doing something else, it's gonna come out at roundtable, 343 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: and invariably that's going to backfire on you. So I 344 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: think you're right, man. The best strategy is to just 345 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: be us upfront with everybody all the time. Deny. 346 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 2: You get people that deny things they said right, like, 347 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 2: but you you're faithful. 348 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: And you're denying. 349 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 2: You said something like that, Just why yes, I said that? 350 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: That's so weird? All right? Then we get this mission 351 00:15:54,520 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: with these boxes and questions. Uh, this is his ericle 352 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: that Eric has to sneak out of a box like 353 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: the first time, Like, right, do you think they added 354 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: the freaks? And if it was creaking that loud you 355 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: would even try? You just feel like, no, I'm just 356 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: letting not gonna. 357 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 2: Oh. 358 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: I was like, okay, they're foldying a lot of this 359 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: or oh I thought this was probably the best challenge. 360 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I loved the cabin challenges just for their 361 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: set pieces and the like horror film stuff, but this 362 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: one actually made some sense in that it reminded me 363 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: a lot of the game Mafia when you play it 364 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: at home, where everyone puts their head down. I've never 365 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: never played. Okay, so the way you play Mafia or 366 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: Werewolf is the other version. Everybody closes their eyes and 367 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: puts their head down, and then there's like a game 368 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: master or whatever says will the killers open their eyes 369 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: and so while your head isn't down on the table, 370 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: if you're like an innocent victim, all the killers are 371 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: looking at each other and signaling like so you have 372 00:16:58,240 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: to do it basically, have to do it right in 373 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: front of each other, just like this where they have 374 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: to like get out of their box, walk into an 375 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: area and talk. I thought that was like it was 376 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 1: kind of getting back to the roots of these kinds 377 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: of games, which is you have to do it right 378 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: in front of them. Yeah, that's super fun, super fun. 379 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: But then it didn't really work because they could just 380 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: make up their answers like it didn't like, well, yeah 381 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 1: I didn't. I kind of. 382 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 2: I thought it was kind of genius to just pick 383 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 2: on one person essentially, right, because it's just just it 384 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 2: completely destabilizes anybody's predictions. It's super smart, and they sacrifice 385 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 2: the money too, which was I think, whopping eighty three 386 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 2: hundred se Well, but this is the. 387 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: Problem is that the money is not enough of an 388 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: incentive these challenges incentive. The only way the challenges have 389 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 1: gotten exciting as far as rewards is the dagger and 390 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: shield stuff. Yeah, so they really should only be playing 391 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: with that. This whole idea of increasing the money when 392 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: you're talking about celebrities who are probably all worth millions 393 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: of dollars, Like, I just don't think it matters if 394 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: they made eight thousand more dollars or whatever. 395 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 2: It's a and you think about it too, if you 396 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 2: won some kind of clue to who the traders were, Yes, 397 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 2: it would add another level because that's brilliant, man, because 398 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 2: if you think about it, if the person who rushes 399 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 2: there could be a trader who doesn't want the information 400 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 2: out or could want the information to find out who 401 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 2: the trader is, and you'd never know, right, So it's like, oh, 402 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 2: you got the information, Okay, God Rob got there first 403 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 2: because he's fastest, Well did he Is he doing that 404 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 2: because he's a trader, or is he doing that because 405 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 2: now he has the info? And then if you're the 406 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 2: only one who's allowed to look at the info and 407 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 2: you're a trader, you can then lie about. 408 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: What the information is. 409 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 2: That's great, dude, to put it onto somebody else, be 410 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 2: like it's you know, oh my god, all we know 411 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 2: is that something high. 412 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,439 Speaker 1: So there should be like a book with like like 413 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 1: facts about the traders. And if you get that, you 414 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: get thirty seconds to glimpse at a page of it 415 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: or something. If you win. 416 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 2: Something and idea it's it's like it's it's something so easy, 417 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 2: like high heels, and it's like, Okay, then I know 418 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 2: it's a woman or something like that, or just that 419 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 2: they're from the United States. Yes, yes, of some sort. Yeah, 420 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:05,239 Speaker 2: maybe you've got to try to figure out. I mean, 421 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 2: there's so so many ways to do it. 422 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: But that's right, great, it's a good idea. There's a 423 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 1: much better incentive than money. Yes, you can find out 424 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: something about the traders. 425 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 2: All right. Well, they end up doing Tara for all 426 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 2: of these, which was a kind of brilliant strategy on. 427 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: The rock spart once again it's all just rob and 428 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: then we get this. They get to short list four 429 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,199 Speaker 1: names for murder. They they're trapped in their boxes for 430 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: I guess like another ten minutes after. 431 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 2: Everyone leaves, right, so yeah, yeah, exactly, And those four 432 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 2: are Johnny, Tara, and Natalie and Kristen. Oh also, I 433 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 2: forgot to mention Tara and Johnny didn't follow everyone voting 434 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 2: for Tara. 435 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: No, when they said when everyone's like, oh for Tara, 436 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 1: which is weird, it's just a really bad move on 437 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 1: their part, like they're really acting like a couple of traders, 438 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: which yeah, it's not. It's why wouldn't you just vote 439 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:57,880 Speaker 1: for yourself? You know what I mean. 440 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, they're obviously picking me every time, everybody, 441 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 2: just vote for me. It's going to be me again. 442 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 2: Just vote for me and then you win the money. 443 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 2: So yeah, it was weird that the only two. But again, 444 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 2: when you're micro looking at every little thing, every little 445 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 2: thing to you that's normal is a misstep to somebody else, 446 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 2: which is what's so brilliant about it, because now people 447 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 2: are already thinking it's the two of them. 448 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: Now they voted against you. Now as a. 449 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 2: Trader, you're like, oh, now I can focus right on 450 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 2: them because they screwed up again. So yeah, they're just 451 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 2: not playing well, and you use that when you're a trader. 452 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: It's great. So after the game, Natalie starts gunning for Steven. 453 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: Christian points out that she told Tara it was her 454 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: and now Natalie ended up in the box, and Tara 455 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 1: and Johnny decide to let it out that they're a 456 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 1: team because they have nothing left. She's just such a 457 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: strange thing. I know, I know. So we gets to 458 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: the roundtable and Tara and Johnny talk about their alignment 459 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: and how they've been blind to everybody, which is just weird. 460 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: But then they're saying that they're faithful, and then they 461 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: sort of turn on Steven, which you know, I mean, 462 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 1: I guess there's some evidence for Steven, but for the 463 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,479 Speaker 1: most part, it seems like everyone's argument is just like 464 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: that guy over there who's not me. 465 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 2: Except for Rob, who's now in a position to where 466 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 2: I think about it. In one move, Steven's gone, and 467 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 2: it seems like Johnny and Tara are the next to go. 468 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,360 Speaker 2: So he could have gotten three faithfuls out just by 469 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 2: writing Stephen's name on the thing. And now you just 470 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 2: let nature take its course, keep it up with Johnny 471 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 2: and Tara the way that it's going, and right there, 472 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 2: three out boom, and then you're at the end, because 473 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 2: I think. 474 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: There's only two round tables left. Yeah, so then you've 475 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 1: made the end. 476 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 2: You've already set up your next kills without having to 477 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 2: do any thing, and it's like boom, you just there 478 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 2: you go. 479 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, Eric's gonna screw it up, though of course he is. 480 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 2: I was waiting for him to be like hey, like 481 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 2: literally in the middle of everyone, be like, hey, Rob, 482 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 2: maybe we should kill them next. 483 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: Oh oh, wasn't supposed to say sorry. There's also this 484 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: weird moment where Natalie, you know, she makes this argument 485 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: for Stephen, and then when the dagger vote comes up, 486 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: she sort of forces Rob to admit he has it, 487 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 1: but no one heard it. I don't think. 488 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 2: No, he says, he says I have it, but he 489 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 2: whisperspered I have it, and nobody I don't think. Because 490 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 2: she said I'm this is why so I was we 491 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 2: were going to jump ahead. I think she's going to 492 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 2: be the kill tonight. Yeah, the killer was left at 493 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,880 Speaker 2: the cliffhanger. I think she's going to be the kill 494 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 2: because she said, I'm the last one who knows that 495 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 2: you have the dagger. 496 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: And she's like, say you have the dagger, and he's like, 497 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: I have the dag. So is that true? She really 498 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: is the last one. 499 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 2: She was the last one of the group that was 500 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 2: there to find out that he had the dagger, so 501 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 2: he gets rid of her. 502 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: Nobody knows he's got two votes left. God, I can't 503 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,439 Speaker 1: believe that. She yeah, it's yeah. I don't know how 504 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: the whole dagger thing is going to play out. But 505 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: he says he doesn't mind if everybody knows. He says 506 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 1: he doesn't care. 507 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 2: But I don't think he said it. I think they 508 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 2: shot it in a strange way, but I think he 509 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 2: whispered it. 510 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think everybody knows that he 511 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 1: has the dagger, but I could be wrong. They might not. 512 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: I feel like he admitted it, and no one really 513 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: cared that much because it was just like, oh okay, 514 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: because they knew it was one of those six people 515 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: or whatever. And again for us, we're like, who was 516 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 1: that week's ago, But for them, it's like, oh, that 517 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: was three days ago, right, so they'd remember it. I 518 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: really don't remember who was in that group. I don't either. 519 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 2: I think it was Stephen, but then Stephen would yeah, 520 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 2: oh yeah, that's right. 521 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: No, then I guess not. Yeah, God, I don't remember. See, 522 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if she's right. I think she might 523 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: have said that, but not been correct. That's possible too well. 524 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 1: In any case, the votes go for Stephen, so I 525 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: guess Tara and Johnny's gamble played off, but they made it. 526 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 2: They're marked, as Steven Siegall said in the eighties, you're 527 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 2: marked for death. 528 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: Bro yep. And Natalie apologizes to Rob and Eric, which 529 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: is hysterical. She's like, I'm so sorry I've gone for 530 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: you know, and it's like, yeah, well you you just 531 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 1: helped them perfectly apologizing to the traders. 532 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 2: His response is the best acting ever where he just 533 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 2: looks at her. He's like, no, no, it's fine, but 534 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 2: that was that was a big one. Like he was like, yeah, 535 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,919 Speaker 2: that was mean, sad man. You like, I followed you 536 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 2: because I trust you, but yikes, that just drawing her 537 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 2: even more to his side. 538 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: Everything this guy does is beautifully calculated. Yeah. 539 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:37,199 Speaker 3: Uh. 540 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 1: And then Kristen turns on Eric in front of Mark 541 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 1: smart Man, and then Rob walks in on it. Yeah, 542 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 1: she's very smart. She's also accurate, Like she's calling out 543 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: the fact that he has gotten quieter. You know, I 544 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: feel like he's always been a little like nervous and quiet, 545 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: So I think she's coming on. But she must have 546 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: noticed like something extra because she's right and he is 547 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: more nervous and he doesn't know what to do. And 548 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: I think, you know, based on the discussion in the turret, 549 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: which is essentially like we we can't kill Kristen now 550 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: because she literally told multiple people that if I die, 551 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 1: Eric is the killer. 552 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, so Eric's got to suck it up and perform 553 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 2: as if he's a faithful and I just don't think 554 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 2: he's going to pull it off, which I cannot wait 555 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 2: to see. I can't wait to see it. And I 556 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 2: also think there's a good chance this is maybe what 557 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 2: Rob wanted. Yeah, so yeah, because in this case, he's 558 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 2: gonna let Eric take the fall for you know, being 559 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 2: banished and still be completely under the radar himself, yes, 560 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 2: be able to. 561 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: I mean he'll probably. I think they'll murder Natalie tonight. 562 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,479 Speaker 1: I think so too, and then too because but if 563 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: you murder Natalie, who does that point to? It makes 564 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 1: it See, but now one's never going for Johnny and Tara. 565 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: The other option is you kill either Johnny or Tara 566 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: to set the other one up, because like if you 567 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:14,239 Speaker 1: killed Tara, which is just bizarre, but it could make 568 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,439 Speaker 1: it make people think that Johnny was lying to her 569 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: the whole time. Yeah, that's impossible too. 570 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's it's it's constantly amazed the people 571 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 2: that are always under the radar. Nobody's ever said Mark, 572 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 2: nobody's ever said Kristin. And the only person of this 573 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 2: said Rob was another trader who knew he was a trader. 574 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: Right, And Natalie hasn't really come up as a trader 575 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 1: for a long time. I feel like she did early 576 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 1: in a couple. 577 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 2: But again, that's what I mean is even early on, 578 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 2: no one was like, it's Mark or it's Kristin. Like 579 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 2: there's some people that have just the entire time, everyone's like, 580 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,360 Speaker 2: I know you're a faithful like really, including Rob. Yes, 581 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 2: it's so weird, it's so strange. It's such a great 582 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,120 Speaker 2: kind of psychology of people. Why do you instantly trust 583 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 2: this person and instantly distrust this person? Hmmm? 584 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: Crazy? 585 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 4: Uh? 586 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 2: And as uh, you're well aware not only am an 587 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,679 Speaker 2: expert on dance, but I'm also now an expert on 588 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,199 Speaker 2: famous traders throughout history. 589 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 1: Sure in a segment that I like to call. 590 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 3: For famous traders from where from history? 591 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 1: Still working on the song it's not my favorite that 592 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: became that was totally like schoolhouse rocks. It was Well, 593 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: that's what I was trying to from where, from where? 594 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:28,120 Speaker 1: From history? I'm just a trader, just an ordinary trader. Yeah. 595 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 2: This is Philippe Patain eighteen fifty six to nineteen fifty one. 596 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 2: Philip Patain went from being one of France's greatest heroes 597 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 2: from World War One to a villafied figure who collaborated 598 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 2: with the Nazis and headed France's v She government during 599 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 2: World War Two. Bataine earned the nickname the Lion of 600 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 2: Verdun for winning one of the war's bloodiest battles. 601 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: That's what I said. 602 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 2: After France collapsed during the Nazi blick Skreak in nineteen forty, 603 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 2: the French asked the eighty four year old Patained to 604 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 2: form a government, but he chose to surrender and align 605 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 2: the fascist Fishi government with Azi Germany. When the war 606 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 2: was over, he was charged with treason along with other 607 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 2: members of the Vishi regime and sentenced to death, but 608 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 2: the execution was stayed because of his past heroism, and 609 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 2: he lived out the rest of his life in a 610 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 2: fortress off France's Atlantic coast. Wow, yeah, crazy right, I mean. 611 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 1: Living in that fortress by yourself, just knowing that like 612 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:22,360 Speaker 1: your country. 613 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 2: Hates you, everybody hates everybody hates you. 614 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: You probably should have been killed, but luckily you would 615 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 1: be literally. 616 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 2: Just waiting for you to die in this fortress because 617 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 2: we want to airbnb it and you're in the way. 618 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was pretty much what's happening? What was it 619 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: like to be a family member of somebody like that? Right, 620 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,239 Speaker 1: Like you're just like, well, like, I'm glad they're not 621 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: getting killed. 622 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,479 Speaker 2: But yeah, well, I mean I think Patsy was an 623 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 2: actual Italian trader or something, and a lot of his 624 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 2: family people change their names. It's like you just don't 625 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 2: want to I can have anybody. When's the last time 626 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 2: you met you know? Hi, I'm Doug Hitler. Right, No, 627 00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 2: it's never happened. 628 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: People, They just the first name is longer. Now you 629 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: change your name and you walk away. Absolutely all right. 630 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: Well that's it for this episode of pod Mates Twirled. 631 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 2: Alliances were tested, trust misplaced, and once again we're left 632 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 2: with a cliffhanger. 633 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: Join us next time as we continue our journey through 634 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: season four of Traders, a show in which, as Shakespeare 635 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: said in his Scottish play Fair, is foul and foul 636 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: is fair.