1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 6 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 2: my name is Noah. 7 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our 8 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 3: super producer Alexis code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, 9 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 3: you are here. That makes this the stuff they don't 10 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 3: want you to know. It is Thursday, as the humans 11 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 3: reckon their weeks, which means it is time for one 12 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 3: of our most exciting evenings on the show. We get 13 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 3: to join you, our fellow conspiracy realist, and share your 14 00:00:55,680 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 3: stories with everyone else. We're going to get some insight 15 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 3: from our friends down under. We're going to have some 16 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 3: responses to an earlier question about local corruption. We're also 17 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 3: going to have some letters from home, and a look 18 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 3: at an ongoing disappearance which occurred quite recently. But before 19 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 3: we do any of that, we talked about this off air. 20 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,199 Speaker 3: We thought we would start with the fun stuff because 21 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 3: there is a letter that absolutely delighted all of us. 22 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 4: I think, right, oh yeah, it's always nice to get 23 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 4: correspondence from our pals down Under, especially when it comes 24 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 4: to calling us on things that we perhaps didn't get 25 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 4: quite right about their beautiful and dare I say dangerous homeland. 26 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 4: We know it's Melbourne. I think we've we've checked that 27 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 4: one off the list. And then here's the thing. These 28 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 4: are always good natured. They're always if there's any ribbing, 29 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 4: these Aussies, they tend to have a very good sense 30 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 4: of humor. I really appreciate that about them, and this 31 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 4: is no exception. We got quite a cavalcade of things 32 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 4: to run through with this email from LJB starts like 33 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 4: this high conspiracy team fascinated by your pot on the 34 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 4: bun Yip and beyond. Thank you and thanks also for 35 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 4: shining a light on our amazingly beautiful and unique land 36 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 4: animals and biomes. For your listeners. You asked for opinions comments, 37 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 4: So here you go. Jmho what is that one? Guys? 38 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 3: Just by a humble opinion? 39 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 4: Oh geez, so much cool than me. It took me 40 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 4: a while to even figure out what TLDR meant. Jmahoe 41 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 4: Outback Steakhouse. Sadly, even though I have made two brief 42 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 4: visits to your lands some years ago. I never had 43 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 4: the opportunity to visit, so can't comment. Apologies. I think 44 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 4: we post the question of hey, are their outback steakhouses 45 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 4: in Australia, to which we found there were a couple, 46 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 4: and b do they get it right? I would pause 47 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 4: it probably not Crocodile Dundee. Although a popular comedian actor 48 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:00,839 Speaker 4: in his day, Paul Hogan's Crocodile Dundee is pretty cringeworthy. 49 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 4: Agreed his comedy was unsophisticated and left many of us 50 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 4: in despair. I see, But at the end of the day, 51 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 4: if people found it funny, why not be amused? That's 52 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 4: that Ausie spirit. There are very auker Aussies. Yes, that 53 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 4: ss says Z. But I don't know. Oker. Is it 54 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 4: Ochre or Ocker? Oker? The colors of color? I'm gonna 55 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 4: go with Oker for now. Who would identify and potentially 56 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 4: sound like him? Irl? So that must be sort of 57 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 4: like a I don't know. Maybe it reminds me of 58 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 4: kind of Louisiana French culture, like Bayou folks. You know, 59 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 4: maybe that's sort of an equivalent, but I can't be sure. Fosters, 60 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 4: it's sparely not Australian. For beer. We do not drink Fosters. Ever, 61 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 4: it has the rep as the worst ever brew. Guys, 62 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 4: I have to take a quick pause here. Isn't it 63 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 4: funny though? How people often identify America with things like 64 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 4: bud Light, and we absolutely drink the hell out of 65 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 4: bud Light. Does a country, you know? But then you 66 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 4: know their individual results may vary, I wonder. 67 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 2: Though, But it's a German beer basically, right, well, sure, 68 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 2: fair enough. 69 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 4: My point is though that it's it's gotten a reputation 70 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 4: as being sort of this like the most basic of 71 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 4: American beers, and it gets their reputation because it is 72 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 4: incredibly popular, and there's a couple other ones you could 73 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 4: add to that list. Foster's, however, being an Australian beer. 74 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 4: I'm sure there are hundreds of other really good Australian beers. 75 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 4: This is the one that just happens to hang their 76 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 4: whole marketing on this overwrought Australian accents. And like, you know, 77 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 4: I don't get regular TV anymore, so I don't know 78 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 4: the commercials are like, but they really lean into that, 79 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 4: and I'm sure they'd folks in their country cringe. And 80 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 4: also of the beer's not very good. Have you guys 81 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 4: ever had a Foster's I never even had one, Do 82 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 4: you like. 83 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 2: Get Maybe I'm misremembering this, but I want to say 84 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 2: Foster's for a time had like this catter can or 85 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 2: is a bigger something. 86 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 3: It was supposed to look like a little barrel. Yeah, 87 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 3: just just like the earlier or a small keg right, 88 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 3: just so kawhi keg and uh to follow up. Aker 89 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 3: or oker I think means someone with a strong accent. 90 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 3: And the when we talked about outback, there is one. 91 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 3: There's one outback. It's somewhere forgive me, folks. It's somewhere 92 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 3: like the Sydney Airport, and people visit it as a novelty. 93 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 3: I think the Foster's the idea is that if you 94 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 3: call something Australian, you can easily sell it to Americans. 95 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 3: Maybe we should come out with something and call it 96 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 3: the Australian T shirt of stuff they don't want you to. 97 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 4: Why not? Moving on to another person who could probably 98 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 4: be accused of being an auker or oker. Steve Irwin, 99 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 4: kind of the real life crocodile Dundee in some ways 100 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 4: definitely had a similar accent, you know, wore the shorts 101 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 4: kind of the Ranger Smith outfit, so cool, genuine genuine 102 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 4: passion for the outback. And I'll if it's critters and 103 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 4: as we know, and I think we've all remarked upon 104 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 4: what a wild I think biome is exactly the term 105 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 4: to use, just the the stuff that exists there. It 106 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 4: looks like oftentimes stuff you think of as being from 107 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 4: another planet that we just don't have any analog for 108 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 4: a lot of their creatures over here. And Steve Irwin 109 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 4: loved all of them, and in fact, unfortunately I believe 110 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 4: his life was ended by one of them. I believe 111 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 4: he was. 112 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 2: Stunned in the heart by a stingray. Pretty wild, was it? 113 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 2: Kat Williams. Cat Williams has been in the news a 114 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 2: lot recently or social. 115 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 3: He took some shots and some folks. 116 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 2: I want to say it was him that he had 117 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 2: a great bit about Steve Irwin, like with great respect 118 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 2: to Steve Irwin, but that was the joke that he 119 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 2: got stingray. But like he's over there just literally tackling 120 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 2: crocodiles like it's nothing. 121 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 3: I remember that, Matt. I also remember, so Steve when 122 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 3: occupies for anybody not in the US, Steve Irwin occupies 123 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 3: this amazing position in sort of the American pop culture pantheon. 124 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 3: He's a real life Captain Planet. He has the ability 125 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 3: like a D and D ranger to speak with animals, 126 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 3: dungeons and dragons. Sorry, and I think his child is 127 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 3: also following in his footsteps. He was brought down by 128 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 3: Sting Gray, as we mentioned, but he did so much 129 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 3: for environmental advocacy because he just seems like a really 130 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 3: cool dude, a really good hang. And by the way, 131 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 3: if you were into American hip hop, then you know 132 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 3: that for a while, every every MC was rapping about Yeah, 133 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 3: Steve Irwin, right, Steve Verwin to is Sting Gray a 134 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 3: lighter to an upset Jean Gray shout out to Joe 135 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 3: Budden's song on that Long Summer I think or short summer, 136 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 3: and not a shout out to his podcast. 137 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 4: Just to show up with what LJB said about Steve 138 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 4: very much mirroring what we just we all just fan 139 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 4: boyd out big time again. Quite broad and ocherish, Okay, 140 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 4: there you go. But beloved for his love of and 141 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 4: endless enthusiasm for our critters, particularly the dangerous ones, as 142 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 4: we said, one that ultimately took his life, and I'm 143 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 4: sure he wouldn't have had it in any other way. 144 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 4: But who am I to say? I guess I can't 145 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 4: be sure. His efforts, like you said, Ben, his efforts 146 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,239 Speaker 4: of environmental matters and wildlife conservation provided him with great 147 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 4: respect and high regard. His loss is truly felt, but 148 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 4: his legacy survives through his remaining family. Matt, did you 149 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 4: have a Steve Irwin comment? 150 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 2: It's fine, I've said it on the show before. I 151 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 2: don't have to. I think it was my sixteenth or 152 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 2: seventeenth birthday party. Just to give the little insight on me, 153 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 2: it was a combination matrix Steve Irwin birthday party. You 154 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 2: could dresss either or both. 155 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 4: Okay, that's it. 156 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 3: That's amazing. 157 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 4: Next we've got Steve Rkle For some reason, LJB is 158 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 4: not even sure why we have Steve Verkle. Apologies. I'm 159 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 4: not sure of the reference here, but yes, Family Matters 160 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 4: was shown on free to air television. 161 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 3: I think I've mentioned this. This is a reaction, correct 162 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 3: me here. This is a reaction to the classic episode 163 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 3: we published on Cryptids of Australia, and I think as 164 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 3: way leads on the way conversationally, we mentioned Steve Irwin, 165 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 3: which probably led to us mentioning Steve Verkle. Sorry Australia, 166 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 3: did we do that? Sure? 167 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 4: Got any cheese? It turns out to a little white 168 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 4: as a smoke show. By the way, you know when 169 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 4: we knew that if we watched the show because he 170 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 4: had an alter ego version of the Steve vercal character 171 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 4: named Stefan. Yeah. 172 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 3: Check out the Key and Peel family matters schedule that way. 173 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 3: Can't leave it unsaid. 174 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 4: So there's that mystery salid hopefully. Next, we've got prison 175 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 4: colony talking about the history of Australia. No doubt it 176 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 4: would be more accurate to say a convict colony was 177 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 4: established here as convicted lawbreakers of even the most minor 178 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 4: infractions thanks to their dire poverty. That's a really good point. 179 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 4: These probably were a lot of people that did not 180 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 4: deserve to be sent there. It gets a reputation as 181 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 4: being this like hive of scum and villainy and all 182 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 4: of that, and there are probably a lot of innocent 183 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:13,559 Speaker 4: folks that were thrown into forced labor on this colony. 184 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 4: So just throwing that out there, Yeah, to their poverty, 185 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 4: dire poverty. We're transported from Britain and Ireland. And yes, 186 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 4: many are the descendants of convicts and claim to be 187 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 4: quite proud to be so many residents that believe are 188 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 4: referring to Next, we've got jungle. We don't have jungle 189 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 4: per se. I'm assuming they're talking about the popular nineteen 190 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 4: nineties dance music craze jungle. Now, anybody out there, rimshaw, 191 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 4: It's so it's like, let's go to drum and bass. 192 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 4: Jungle was a subset of Yeah, that is not what 193 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 4: they're talking about. They're talking about literal jungle that they 194 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 4: apparently don't have per se. Are heavily forested areas, and 195 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 4: the subtropics and tropics are termed rainforests, similar. 196 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 3: But not quite unique biome. 197 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 4: And lastly, exactly, we've actually got two more quick ones, 198 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 4: and well, I gotta so any good ones. Koala's koalas 199 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 4: are not bear It's just marsupials c to look pretty 200 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,839 Speaker 4: dopey when sitting in their tree. Sleepy on eucalyptus leaves. 201 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 4: I'm assuming sleepy on eucalyptus leaves meaning they're like high 202 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 4: off the eucalyptus leaves and sometimes can be strappy. What 203 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 4: a stroppy does that mean like built, like fit. 204 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 3: Strap be sassy. They get attitude. You know. If you 205 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 3: ever want to bust the American myth about the Koala, 206 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 3: go to YouTube, get thee to YouTube now and watch 207 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 3: Koalas fighting. There you go also riddled with chlamydia. 208 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 4: Jesus Christ just suck the joy right out of Koalas 209 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 4: for us uh Ben and ljb Okay, So the Internet 210 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 4: says strappy, you nail the ben attitude, but specifically kind 211 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 4: of grumpy tendencies, you know, like you said fighting the 212 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 4: fighting words. They are in dire need, of course, as 213 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 4: we know as habitat destruction, accidental deaths thanks to humans 214 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:59,079 Speaker 4: and their pets, interactions, and diseases decimate their numbers. Finally, 215 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 4: we're gonna get to the bun yip and the yowee. 216 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 4: We definitely have talked about these at various times encryptid conversations. 217 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 4: My belief is that these are animals of legend for 218 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 4: the First Nations people and far from real, although with 219 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 4: more interesting fossilized bones being recovered, it may well be 220 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 4: that in time past there could be evidence of new 221 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 4: unidentified creatures that provide a tiny glimpse of where the 222 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 4: dreaming stories have been handed down from the Dreaming, referring 223 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 4: to the dream time of belief, sort of a kind 224 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 4: of an afterlife parallel dimension of the Aborigines. It's actually 225 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 4: really heavily featured in the Sandman series, of course, dream 226 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 4: being Morpheus the main character, the Lord of dream. There's 227 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 4: a really interesting storyline that involves Aborigines and the idea 228 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,839 Speaker 4: of dream time and the dreaming in that intersection. Pretty 229 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 4: cool stuff. But I will say, though, with all of 230 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 4: the crazy stuff, a shout out to friend of the show, Peach, 231 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 4: and we've become good Internet friends. Who lives in the 232 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 4: deep the deepest of bush in Australia, in the Outpack, 233 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 4: and the critters that I see her rescuing from the 234 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 4: street and dealing with coming into her house through the 235 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 4: light fixtures and all kinds of stuff, always with the 236 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 4: cheerful attitude. She loves these creatures so much. Some of 237 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 4: the things that I've seen in her photograph really defy imagination. 238 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 4: So the idea that there could be an undiscovered critter 239 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 4: in the outpack is not beyond the realm of possibility 240 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 4: in my mind. I don't know what you guys think, 241 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 4: because some of those creatures that we definitely know exist. 242 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 4: They're pretty bun yippy or yowieyesh on their own because 243 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 4: they don't really look like anything I've ever seen before. 244 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 3: Get LJB. First off, thank you so much for putting 245 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 3: up with our American accents and for giving us these reactions. 246 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 3: Like you said, Noel, there's some there are some things 247 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 3: that we sort of summarize here interesting stuff about cryptid, 248 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 3: specifically the Tasmanian tiger, right, which is one of the 249 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:10,479 Speaker 3: most likely cryptids to exist still given the vast expanse 250 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 3: of wilderness out there in Australia and in surrounding areas 251 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 3: shout out Tasmania. The idea of the dreaming is it's fascinating, 252 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 3: it's worth its own episode because it's a very different 253 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 3: cultural framework for experiencing what we would call reality today. 254 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 3: I love your point here, no All, the idea that 255 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 3: there may well be undiscovered large fauta of some sort 256 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 3: in the outback, because this is one of the most 257 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 3: likely places where such animals could be discovered. And we 258 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 3: also know that due to the long, slow unwinding and 259 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 3: shifting of Pangaea, the continent of Australia is home to 260 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 3: a abundance of unique life forms that do not occur 261 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 3: anywhere else on the planet, and therefore the universe as 262 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 3: humans know it can't wait to go. Got some got 263 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 3: some things, got some things in the works. So shout 264 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 3: out to other Australian friends, Shout out to Patrice, Shout 265 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 3: out to a fellow ben down Under. Hope to see 266 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 3: you soon. I'll tell you man, LJB. One of the 267 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 3: wildest things you mentioned here is the Komodo dragon. So cool, 268 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 3: so cool. 269 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, one thing I think they came up maybe in 270 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 4: a conversation that we've had about the Komna dragon. I 271 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 4: think there was sort of misreported that these things were venomous, 272 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 4: that they had like you know, fang, you know, they 273 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 4: could inject you with the poison. But I think what 274 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 4: I had heard or read, and I can't remember exactly 275 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 4: where was it. Their mouths are just so filthy and 276 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 4: like you know, disease kind of in their Germany that 277 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 4: if they bite you, you're just probably gonna get infected 278 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 4: from that, and it could be a death sentence in it. 279 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 3: I mean, if you survived the bite, if you survived. 280 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 2: The first bring it on Komodo dragons. It's like that 281 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 2: ghost under this guy. 282 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 4: Stop badgering the Komodo dragon. 283 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 3: Man, I get PvP one. 284 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 4: I'm confident AnyWho. A couple other little things you couldn't 285 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 4: get to from this amazing list, but we'll end with 286 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 4: listening to you as endlessly fascinating as you do on 287 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 4: the topics that aren't often discussed frankly and with humor. 288 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 4: Thank you much appreciate it. We much appreciate you. L JB. PS. 289 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 4: We don't say good day either to you and find 290 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 4: sally ho to you all kind regards. That was not 291 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 4: That was not l JB's sign off. That was kind regards. 292 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 4: That's very proper, l JB. I like that we talked 293 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 4: this through as as I read it instead of waiting 294 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 4: until the end. There was no other way to do. 295 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 4: This was just like an absolute uh wealth of information 296 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 4: and commentary from various episodes. So I don't know, man, 297 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 4: I don't you guys have anything to add? I think 298 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 4: we could probably pop to a breaks. There's anything you 299 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:05,360 Speaker 4: got last thing? Good day, good day to user, I say, 300 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 4: good day, sir. You get nothing except this delightful commercial 301 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 4: break from our sponsor and then some more Listen tomail. 302 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 2: And we've returned, and we are going to the email 303 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:30,439 Speaker 2: banks to hear from Mysteria, Mysteria MYSTERI, Yes, Mysterious. I'm 304 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,239 Speaker 2: just gonna read this first part of guys, and then 305 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 2: there are links, and let's look at them together, and 306 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 2: we'll just kind of be like, oh, well, what what's 307 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 2: inside this link? It's it's gonna come up later though, 308 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 2: but for now. 309 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 4: I hear those voices. 310 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 2: Okay, Mysterious says, Hey, if you guys really want to 311 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 2: do a deeper dive on local corruption, just look at Illinois. 312 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 2: The entire state is a hot mess. And then there's 313 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 2: a link. This is our first link in the series. 314 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 2: It appears to be a Wikipedia link, the title of 315 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 2: which is simply corruption in Illinois. And guys, it's not 316 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 2: a short Wikipedia, It's not. 317 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 4: Wow. 318 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 2: So there's okay, Well, let's do an overview. There's a 319 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 2: fairly large section for federal corruption. There's a smaller state 320 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 2: corruption like sub area, and for governors and state officials. 321 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 2: Then it's got municipal corruption. And that's the largest section, 322 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 2: I would say. 323 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 3: And a special, a special shout out just to Aldermen 324 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 3: of Chicago for anybody not in the US. Alderman is 325 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 3: a member of the city council, basically with a fancy 326 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 3: your name. But Chicago has or a very long time 327 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 3: been infamous in US history as a text book case 328 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 3: of like a quintessential hold this up to the class 329 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 3: example of widespread intergenerational corruption and oh, nothing seems set 330 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 3: to change. 331 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 2: Well, let's let's read a sentence here from a Wikipedia 332 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 2: Remember this is a Wikipedia page. It can be edited 333 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 2: by anyone that can edit Wikipedia. But you know, for 334 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 2: the most part these things are policed pretty well internally, 335 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 2: right by just other people looking at it and changing it. 336 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 2: And Alderman and Aldermen are always in there. But here's 337 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 2: here's a sentence. It's like the third sentence at the 338 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 2: top of the page. Illinois had the third most federal 339 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 2: criminal convictions for public corruption between nineteen seventy six and 340 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 2: twenty twelve, behind New York and California. Uh oh, those 341 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 2: seem like the two biggest ones. 342 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 3: I would have guessed, Watch out, guys, they're on your wake. 343 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh man for real. In the first sentence is 344 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 2: corruption in Illinois has been a problem from the earliest 345 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 2: history of the state, and it goes all the way 346 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 2: back to eighteen eighteen and. 347 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 3: It quotes the Economist too, yep, which is not exactly 348 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,640 Speaker 3: a left wing publication, Like if the economist to say, 349 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 3: and you're financially crooked, might be time for some self inventory. 350 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, then let's jump to the next thing 351 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 2: that mysterious says. Mysterious says the Rita Crundwell case is 352 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 2: an especially wild ride. And then our second link appears. 353 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 2: Oh and this is to the US Attorney's Office, Northern 354 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 2: District of Illinois. Uh, here's the title Former Dixon Comptroller 355 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 2: Rita Crowell sentence. 356 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 3: Fly beat me here, doc. I knew it. I knew 357 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 3: knowing what a comptroller is would matter at some point. 358 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 4: I mean to get a parliamentarian and somewhere, go Gary. 359 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 2: It's the numbers, gentlemen. Former Dixon Comptroller Rita Crundwell sentenced 360 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 2: to nearly twenty years in federal prison for fifty three 361 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 2: point seven million dollar theft from the city. 362 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,120 Speaker 3: Can't be out trolling the comps man. 363 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 2: WHOA, that's intense this story is from And that was 364 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 2: so covert it took me a second. 365 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 4: That was on a delayed reaction with that. 366 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 2: Very well done, Very well done, Ben. By the way, 367 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 2: this was posted on Valentine's Day twenty thirteen. You know 368 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 2: who didn't have a great Valentine's Day? Rita Crundwell ooh jeez, Louise. 369 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 3: I thought you were gonna save me, and I was like, 370 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 3: all right, man, just keep the kid gloves on. We're 371 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:42,360 Speaker 3: on the air. 372 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 2: I can barely remember last week. I have no idea 373 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 2: what happened on. 374 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 3: This is a this is a huge case, right, mat Like, 375 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 3: this is as you said, this is a this is 376 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 3: a multi million dollar, more than two decades plus level 377 00:21:58,880 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 3: of crime. 378 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. She pleaded guilty to wire fraud and money laundering 379 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 2: of more than fifty three million dollars from the city 380 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,120 Speaker 2: since nineteen ninety. 381 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 4: Wow. 382 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 2: Oh dude. She used the proceeds to finance her quarter 383 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 2: horse farming business. 384 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 4: I'm sorry, you mean like little horses. 385 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 3: I know, just twenty percent of a horse. 386 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 4: It's like quarter scale horse. No, quarter horses are those 387 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 4: those little fellows. 388 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 2: But she was farming them, so I guess just breeding. 389 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 2: Maybe it's a thing. It's a bit odd. 390 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 3: I don't think they're tiny, though. I think it's it's 391 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 3: a name for a horse. That's really I sound stupid. 392 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 3: I'm not a Questionian equestrian. 393 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right, they're very fast. Why do I think 394 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 4: that they're tiny? 395 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 3: Now now they're sprinters. 396 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right. Huh. You know what, I learned something 397 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,719 Speaker 4: new today because in my head quarter, horses were always 398 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 4: like the little baby horses that never grow up, like 399 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 4: little Sebastian. 400 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 3: Never forget, never forget that. Yeah, there's a little Sebastian. 401 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 3: The stuff Little Sebastian doesn't want you to know. 402 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 4: The horses built for speed. He nailed it, Ben. 403 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing. It sounds like, sounds like the 404 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 3: long arm of the law nailed our friend Grundwell. And 405 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 3: this is Chicago is again a place with some problems. 406 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 3: It is one of the most American of American cities. 407 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 5: But Matt, yes, I see from I see from the 408 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 5: press release that got shared with us that this is 409 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,239 Speaker 5: one of the largest thefts or the largest theft of 410 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 5: state fu I. 411 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 2: Believe the judge said it was, or yeah, it was 412 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 2: the largest theft in state history. And as we've learned, 413 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 2: corruption in Illinois runs rampant and long. 414 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 4: I was about to say, I mean, Chicago's is a 415 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 4: notoriously corrupt city and that's where the like political boss 416 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 4: kind of systems you know, came up. 417 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 2: It's pretty normally by the way, it's the city involved, right, 418 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 2: so she's a city comptroller. It was public funds stolen 419 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 2: from the city of Dixon, dixo n. So she's having 420 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 2: to pay back the city of Dixon that only has 421 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 2: a population less than sixteen thousand people, about one hundred 422 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 2: miles southwest of Chicago. 423 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 4: Guys, I don't I don't know if you've thought about this, 424 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,239 Speaker 4: but given how much tax we all pay, and I 425 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 4: know i've I've griped about this many times, and I like, 426 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 4: show me the money, show me what you're doing with it, 427 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,959 Speaker 4: whether it be local or federal. I just think fraud 428 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 4: like this happens a lot more than we think. I 429 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 4: really do. I think somebody's pocketing my check. I really truly, 430 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 4: because I don't see any any benefit from it. And 431 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 4: maybe that's that's naive to say this because I'm not 432 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 4: seeing it directly that somebody's stealing it. But I'd do 433 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 4: not have confidence in state or federal government to now 434 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 4: I'm sounding like I want to start my own secede 435 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 4: from the union or something. 436 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 2: But I think about this. These are local taxes, so 437 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,360 Speaker 2: like city taxes, so with Atlanta. 438 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 4: You know, we don't pay as much city as we 439 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 4: use federal. But dark streets are riddled with potholes, dangerous stuff. 440 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 4: You know. 441 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 2: Well, see, now, I this is weird. I've never paid 442 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 2: city taxes like a local tax, state and federal. In 443 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 2: this case, it's like sales tax, right, I have stuff 444 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 2: bought in the city and other things like that when 445 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 2: you stay at a hotel. Right, you've got like different taxes 446 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 2: that are levied depending on the city you're in. I 447 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 2: don't know so, but that that seems like a lot 448 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 2: of money in a local city taxes that sixteen thousand people. 449 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of money laundering too, and money laundering 450 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 3: it looks like over okay, money laundering is one of 451 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 3: those things that used to be a good living back 452 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 3: in the day, but it's increasingly difficult to clean the money. Right. 453 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 3: So if anything, one of the questions that I have 454 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 3: for you met is could she have gotten away with it? 455 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 3: If she just cut and run like ten years in, 456 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 3: twelve years in? Could she have just retired, you know, 457 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 3: have the fanfare or whatever is appropriate for a comptroller 458 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 3: when they're out of the game, and then just move 459 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 3: to a non extradition country because the IRS is not 460 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 3: going to chase you to Panama. They're not going to 461 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 3: chase you if your white collar crimes are below a 462 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 3: certain threshold such that it would cost them more to 463 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 3: come hunt you. 464 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I mean that. 465 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 4: Yeah. 466 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 2: Well, maybe we should read a little bit more of this. 467 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 2: I know we kind of got stuck mysteria on this one. 468 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 2: You've sent us so many other links, but I think 469 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 2: this is this is really interesting to me. Let's continue 470 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 2: reading here from the Justice DoD of link. Here it says, 471 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 2: so she started this scheme in nineteen ninety. She opened 472 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 2: a secret bank account which she was the only one 473 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 2: that could access it, right, But she's also got control 474 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 2: of all the city's funds. The name of the account 475 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 2: was RSCDA Reserve Fund or the RSCDA account. The initials 476 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 2: stood for Reserve Sewer Capital Development Account, although no such 477 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 2: account actually existed for the city, and she did not 478 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 2: disclose the existence of the secret account. So I guess 479 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 2: she just Oh, it says Crundwell stole at least twenty 480 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 2: five thousand dollars from a separate Dixon Bank account for 481 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 2: its sister city program between eighty eight and ninety before 482 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 2: she started this big plan. So she stole twenty five 483 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 2: thousand dollars. She got away with it, and she was 484 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 2: like she had a reserve fund. 485 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 4: She needed more. She's got her. Right. 486 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 2: It reminds me of True Detective season two. A lot 487 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 2: of that with like the secret funding and owing to 488 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 2: other things. 489 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 4: Right, that was that was the boring season. 490 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 2: Hey, there were some cool stuff in there too, Vince Vaughan, 491 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:06,679 Speaker 2: let's go. 492 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 4: He was fine. The masks, the crow mask was very cool. 493 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 4: But overall I thought it was you guys watched the 494 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 4: new episode. 495 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I'm into it. 496 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 1: I like it. 497 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, me too. 498 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 3: I think it's weird how the internet hates women. Uh, 499 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 3: the criticism, I think it's great. 500 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 4: I think people are you know, well, then Nick puts 501 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,479 Speaker 4: a lot of fellow h has always been a bit 502 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 4: of a man's man, so I think a lot of 503 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 4: his fans are those types. So maybe they're mad that 504 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,719 Speaker 4: he's not involved, but I'm excited about it. 505 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 3: It's school six episodes contained. 506 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 4: Love it an anthology series anyway, Really quickly, guys, small horses, 507 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 4: there's called miniature horses just for the please carry the 508 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 4: confused with pies. No different. 509 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 2: So a quarter horse is actually a quarter of a horse, and. 510 00:28:55,280 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 4: The left that's it's like one of those pieces. 511 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 3: Also, Matt, there's something really interesting that we see here 512 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 3: in mysterious, mysterious mysterious letter, which is the small town corruption. Right, 513 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 3: can we mention what is it? The townships is a 514 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 3: township like a county. 515 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 4: I think that's right. They haven't. They haven't been like 516 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 4: you know, Jerry, York State and Massachusetts. There's sort of 517 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,959 Speaker 4: an old New England y thing ish kind of. 518 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 2: I think, yes. And this is our third link, thank 519 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 2: you so much mysteria. And this appears to be your 520 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 2: home county mysteria. 521 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, the McHenry County State's attorney office back in twenty 522 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 3: eighteen started investigating several townships. So townships must just be 523 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 3: communities within a county for again illegally using taxpayer money. 524 00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 3: And apparently this is these are only two of like 525 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 3: at least three places, three townships in this one county 526 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 3: that are super crooked. I don't know, man, When we 527 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 3: say it's cold up in Illinois, it feels like it's 528 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 3: cold on a number of levels. Because you have to 529 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 3: be pretty ruthless to be elected to public office and 530 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 3: just violate trust like that. 531 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I'm trying to figure out what the actual 532 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 2: corruption here is or like what's being investigated. It looks like, well, 533 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 2: let me read this none to. Township also hired two 534 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 2: of Miller's sons, who somebody who's working directly with the township, 535 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 2: to full time positions, adding to its highway departments more 536 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 2: than two million dollars payroll, with hundreds of thousands more 537 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 2: in pensions and other benefits. 538 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 3: So this looks like nepotism maybe and patting the patting 539 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 3: the books kind of like when organized crime will come 540 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 3: into a construction project. 541 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 4: And yeah, yeah, let me talk about that. Everything I 542 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 4: learned about crime I learned from the Godfather movies and 543 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 4: the Sopranos. And sopranos they're always working on this esplanade 544 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 4: that's never finished. This never gets finished, and they're doing 545 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 4: they call them like no show jobs where you get paid, 546 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 4: you don't have to come. That's like, you know, that's 547 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 4: like a way you can kind of grease some palms. 548 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 4: I'm gonna give you like five no jobs this month. 549 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 4: And then also like by itemizing things that were never 550 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 4: actually purchased and billing for them and things like that 551 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 4: good way to hide money, guys. 552 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 2: According to Illinois policy dot org, which is where this 553 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 2: link took us, there's also really a major problem with 554 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 2: like voter intimidation when there's a referendum coming up to 555 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 2: change you know, the ways of the local government, and 556 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 2: it looks like it's happening in a lot of townships there. Well, 557 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 2: let's just mention the other things that are in here. 558 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 2: We won't go over the link. So the last couple 559 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 2: of things you mentioned here mysteria. You said, finally, this 560 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 2: is probably more a case of incompetence than corruption. But 561 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 2: check out the police department's handling of the Ridder murder 562 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 2: back in nineteen eighty eight. So I don't know anything 563 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 2: about the Ridder murder. You've got a link to us 564 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 2: here to the Chicago Tribune about a man named Richard 565 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 2: Church who was wanted for the nineteen eighty eight murders 566 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 2: of Raymond Ritter and his wife, Ruth Ann. We're not 567 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 2: going to talk about it in detail at all right now, 568 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 2: but if you want to look it up you can. 569 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 2: We're going to check it out for you know, the 570 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 2: potentiality of a longer episode. I like that word. It's 571 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 2: not a word, but then it's a word. 572 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 3: Oh it is. 573 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 4: I didn't think it was. 574 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 2: You said other things here told us more about that murder, 575 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 2: but we're gonna hold it for later. So thank you 576 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 2: so much, Mysterio letting us know about just how bad 577 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 2: Illinois could potentially be. But we're not passing judgment because 578 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 2: state corruption exists everywhere, not just in the US, not 579 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 2: just in Illinois. 580 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 3: It's deeper than the pizza, right. 581 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 2: It's I was gonna do deeper than hip hop thing, 582 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 2: but I can't so all right than it is, but 583 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 2: it's also deeper. So so thank you so much, Mysterious 584 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 2: for writing in. We'll be right back with more messages 585 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 2: from you. 586 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 3: And we have returned for one more piece of listener 587 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 3: mail and something we like to call letters from home. 588 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 2: Uh. 589 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 3: This final piece of correspondence comes to us from someone 590 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 3: we're gonna call CJ because we did not get full 591 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 3: permission to use their name. This is kind of the 592 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 3: beginning of a rabbit hole. CJ sends us a message 593 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,239 Speaker 3: about someone named Donna I and says, the timeline and 594 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 3: events leading up to this poor woman's disappearance are into 595 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 3: lining up. You all should look into it and do 596 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 3: an episode. I agree, CJ. This is also an unfolding event. 597 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 3: If you choose to do so, please let me know. 598 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 3: I'd love to hear it. If you don't trust links, 599 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 3: I understand, says CJ, and sends us a couple of 600 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 3: different links here and tells us a little bit about 601 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 3: the case. Her name, says CJ, was Donna. I e ye, 602 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 3: this happened very recently in Washington County, Missouri. I saw 603 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 3: her name because she was dumped off in the middle 604 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 3: of Mark Twain National Forest in the middle of the 605 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 3: night by a police officer in subfreezing temperatures with no 606 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 3: phone and has not been heard from since. This is 607 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 3: the first I have heard of this story. Have you 608 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 3: heard about this? 609 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 4: No, I haven't heard of it either. Let's see, I'm 610 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 4: following the link now. 611 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, according to this, so this is happening now. There 612 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 3: was a story posted on Fox to Now Missouri affiliate 613 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 3: Just Yes yesterday, as we record, on January sixteenth, and 614 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 3: it seems that a Washington County sheriff named Zach Jacobson 615 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 3: had activated something called the Mineral Area Major Case Squad 616 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:20,839 Speaker 3: to investigate what happened with this disappearance. A deputy allegedly 617 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 3: dropped Donna I off around eleven pm in the middle 618 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 3: of nowhere look up the Mark Twain National Forest. It 619 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:34,839 Speaker 3: is not like a pedestrian walking space. And she has 620 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 3: not been seen since. 621 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, And there's a quote from her brother, I believe 622 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 4: just just speaking to her mental state of the time, 623 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 4: saying that she wasn't in any condition to make a 624 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:48,360 Speaker 4: decision for herself. They informed me while we were standing 625 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 4: right where we are right now, she had been picked 626 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,760 Speaker 4: up at the hospital by a Washington County female sheriff's deputy. 627 00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 3: And according to the reporting that we have seen, we 628 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 3: have a rough timeline of events. Donna I, at the 629 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 3: age of forty four years old, is a mother. When 630 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 3: she went missing, she left a hospital against her family's 631 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 3: wishes on Monday, the eighth of January. According to the family, 632 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 3: she has a medical condition that can affect her mobility 633 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 3: and mental health. They were informed by the sheriff's deputy 634 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 3: that she had been picked up from the hospital by 635 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 3: the sheriff. Apparently she was dropped off in the middle 636 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 3: of the forest. Apparently it's because they thought they were 637 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 3: dropping her off at the correct place. But there's so 638 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 3: many questions going on here. Even as we're recording right now, 639 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,279 Speaker 3: Donna I's daughter in law, Leahne Miller, has organized a 640 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 3: civilian search party to try to find this missing person. 641 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 3: And this reminds me of the conversations we've had over 642 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:06,320 Speaker 3: a series of years about one of the strangest, most 643 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:11,319 Speaker 3: egregious things in the US, which is that we have 644 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,360 Speaker 3: a lot of national parks, we have a lot of wilderness, 645 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:19,359 Speaker 3: and as we record, there is no government agency that 646 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,720 Speaker 3: keeps track of how many people go missing in parks 647 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 3: each year. Shout out to us missing for one one. 648 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 4: Right, I'm a little confused. Was she discharged from the 649 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,239 Speaker 4: hospital after Was this like a psychiatric hospital or was 650 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,400 Speaker 4: this just like she was injured and she was discharged 651 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 4: And what led to the police being her only ride? 652 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 3: It's still unclear. We know that we know that the 653 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 3: family wanted her to stay under care. We don't know 654 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 3: each of the steps that led to this disappearance yet, 655 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 3: which is why we're putting this out here now. Hopefully 656 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,840 Speaker 3: by the time this her mail hits the air waves, 657 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 3: hopefully we'll be able to update with some sort of 658 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:11,360 Speaker 3: good news. Hopefully she has been found. But it's stunning 659 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,320 Speaker 3: just how easy it is to disappear in the US. 660 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,399 Speaker 4: Did you mention the bag that they found. 661 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, tell us about that. That's one of the primary 662 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 3: clues or at least bread problems. 663 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 4: Oh, only to say that they did find it close 664 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 4: to her brother's house. So you gotta wonder, like, did 665 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,359 Speaker 4: they drop her off so far that she had to 666 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 4: like trudge her way back? But if she did, why 667 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,919 Speaker 4: was the bag there? And she didn't Like you would 668 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 4: think if she was dropped off in this remote middle 669 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,840 Speaker 4: of nowhere that she would just have been lost. But 670 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 4: the connection with a piece of personal property of hers 671 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,239 Speaker 4: to be so close to where she was trying to 672 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 4: get to, that's really interesting and head scratchy. 673 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, especially considering how brutal winter storms have been across 674 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 3: the US right now. You can make an argument that 675 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,440 Speaker 3: there is no way to drop someone off in the 676 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 3: wild and reasonably expect that they will be able to survive. 677 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,880 Speaker 3: It's a I saw a I saw some scuttle butts 678 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 3: and comments on various news forums, and one comment or 679 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 3: on the Saint Louis Reddit implies, and this is just 680 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 3: a person on the Internet implies that this drop off 681 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:34,959 Speaker 3: was on purpose, meaning that whomever dropped her off there 682 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,000 Speaker 3: meant for something bad to happen to her, assumed that 683 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:43,400 Speaker 3: she would not survive the incredibly dangerous weather. Now again 684 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 3: we can't say any of that with any sort of certitude, 685 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 3: but of course, in the absence of transparency, speculation only 686 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:52,920 Speaker 3: thrives totally. 687 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:57,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, now there's there's there's something what's the word something 688 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,799 Speaker 4: is rotten then, so wherever this is, yeah, no, there's 689 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,400 Speaker 4: definitely seems to be some details that are missing. And 690 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:08,240 Speaker 4: of course our hope is with this individual being found 691 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 4: unscathed and perhaps they'll be an update soon and CJ. 692 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 3: We're keeping this short because again hopefully we can return 693 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 3: with good news. We also, at least I want to 694 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:26,880 Speaker 3: give everybody again the notice that misinformation and speculation thrives 695 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 3: so easily on weaponize social media. If you do have 696 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:37,520 Speaker 3: any knowledge of Donna I's whereabouts, please do as Fox 697 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,600 Speaker 3: News mentions, please do contact the authorities. Call nine to 698 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,320 Speaker 3: one one if you know of anybody who's called missing 699 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,840 Speaker 3: in a national park. The scary thing about the United 700 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,520 Speaker 3: States is the onus is on you. It's on us 701 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,720 Speaker 3: as members of the public to report this stuff because 702 00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:01,399 Speaker 3: otherwise people can simply go missing. So hopefully again we'll 703 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,480 Speaker 3: come back. We'll come back with updates. As I said 704 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 3: at the top, this is a live story. I think 705 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 3: it'd be great for us to end today's show with 706 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,080 Speaker 3: a little bit of a positive note while we're waiting 707 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:20,359 Speaker 3: to hear the news on Donna I have. I love 708 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,440 Speaker 3: doing this letters from home thing shared a shared a 709 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 3: thing recently from our pals over on Here's where it 710 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,839 Speaker 3: gets crazy from a graphic novel artist named Ryan van 711 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:36,960 Speaker 3: osdahal or astaal apologies, serf, we're mispronouncing your name. Ryan 712 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,320 Speaker 3: put us in his graphic novel and it was so kind, 713 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,799 Speaker 3: it was so neat. We have a couple panels of it, Nol. 714 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,440 Speaker 3: Do you want to describe those panels? 715 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,279 Speaker 4: Oh? I mean yeah, it's just like a I guess 716 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,840 Speaker 4: it's sort of like a D and D party type 717 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,800 Speaker 4: situation where the three of us are I believe, halflings 718 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 4: that are on a wilderness journey of some kind. And 719 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,640 Speaker 4: you'd be better at describing the content of the conversation, 720 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,239 Speaker 4: but we were all personified delightfully. 721 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 3: Nolan, the most talented weapons smith in the Seven Valleys, 722 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:16,160 Speaker 3: Matthias proprietor, the best in on the Western Continent and 723 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,640 Speaker 3: then they just call me Benjamin and I'm a halfling 724 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,920 Speaker 3: and say some catchphrases at some point. Yeah, I agree 725 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,360 Speaker 3: with you. It's got a Lord of the Rings meets 726 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:31,560 Speaker 3: Lone Gunman and we're just very grateful again every time, 727 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,640 Speaker 3: folks that you see fit to include us in your stories, 728 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:40,240 Speaker 3: your creative acts. We receive a lot of amazing music 729 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,480 Speaker 3: inspired by episodes, and I'm not blowing smoke a lot. 730 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,600 Speaker 3: It's really good, like super impressive. So we just wanted 731 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,120 Speaker 3: to shout this out. I reached out to the author 732 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,960 Speaker 3: of this graphic novel and hopefully we'll be returning with 733 00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:00,440 Speaker 3: some information about how we can support this independent artist. 734 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 3: We love to see it. We'd also love to hear 735 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,440 Speaker 3: from you with any other creative works that were in 736 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:10,640 Speaker 3: some way inspired by this show, or maybe this is 737 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,560 Speaker 3: what you listen to while you're painting, while you're working 738 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,960 Speaker 3: on other things. We have your back, and it turns 739 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,879 Speaker 3: out that a lot of our fellow conspiracy realists had 740 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,959 Speaker 3: our back when we asked folks to check out our 741 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,480 Speaker 3: sketch comedy on Instagram. 742 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,480 Speaker 4: Yeah you can call it that, because you can. Yeah, 743 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:37,240 Speaker 4: we did it as it was a fun goofy silly 744 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,040 Speaker 4: year in predictions or not year in predictions and predictions 745 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,600 Speaker 4: for the new year of conspiracies that will definitely come 746 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,160 Speaker 4: to fruish, come to pass, or be exposed. So do 747 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,560 Speaker 4: check that out. You can, you can't do that. You 748 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,240 Speaker 4: can be part of this fella conspiracy realists. 749 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:56,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, be the sketch comedy change you wish to see 750 00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,920 Speaker 3: in the world. I'm pretty sure famous person said that, 751 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,560 Speaker 3: Edward James almost probably. Let's end this way. We're gonna 752 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:09,879 Speaker 3: give a really quick cavalcade of names of people who 753 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:14,319 Speaker 3: chimed in on our Mandela Effect video and said, hey, 754 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:18,840 Speaker 3: strange news brought me here. So before we end the show, 755 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,520 Speaker 3: let's give you that list of names. 756 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:22,399 Speaker 4: Here we go. 757 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,880 Speaker 3: Shout out to Jamie Kristen, Howard, Dan Bush, one oh one, Rocket, 758 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,960 Speaker 3: Queen sixty eight, Classic Chaos Events, Sailor, Bright Beef Unit, 759 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:34,160 Speaker 3: Economic Ziggie Less, VM Sprang, who says the overacting is superb, 760 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,640 Speaker 3: Prince of Eco Park, c Bull nine. Alisa in her 761 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:42,720 Speaker 3: thirties wrote me the Queen, Odinfelhammer, Vivick Rose, vivickz Rose, 762 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,520 Speaker 3: Saturday Morning Cartoons, Penny Takes Pictures, Jay Font five eighty two, 763 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:50,520 Speaker 3: Shawmas Campbell, Heinke, Johnny on the Rocks, Holly Quinn seventy seven, 764 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:55,360 Speaker 3: Refreshing Art Studio, Dreesy Blaze, Joe's Misk No. One in particular, 765 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,720 Speaker 3: that's a nice pun. Colin Ray ninety six, Style Masters, Blessed, 766 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,960 Speaker 3: dim Fingers, Gerro's Space, d Doctor, Rusty Shack, Hollan Reed 767 00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,120 Speaker 3: ninety six for Shore Pizza, Chris sweety What eight four 768 00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,360 Speaker 3: eight eight see Bob ten Shadow, The Maximum, Cranberry for 769 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,680 Speaker 3: twenty six oh three, d Cammi Kat and Noldre many 770 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,960 Speaker 3: many others. But that's a long list of names. And 771 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,840 Speaker 3: we promised, we promised to thank you for doing so, 772 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,759 Speaker 3: but we we appreciate, We love the comments. We've got 773 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,239 Speaker 3: more videos on the way. We would love to offer 774 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,560 Speaker 3: you a meme in these trying times. And No, I 775 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,200 Speaker 3: have to ask, since our pal Matt had to scoot 776 00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:36,400 Speaker 3: for some martial arts related adventures, what are some things 777 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,839 Speaker 3: you're excited about with our social media and where can 778 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:41,880 Speaker 3: people check it out? 779 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,399 Speaker 4: Oh boy, oh boy, I'm glad you asked, Ben. I'm 780 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,040 Speaker 4: definitely excited about doing more silly, goofy videos in the 781 00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:52,440 Speaker 4: coming year. You can find those on the Internet, specifically 782 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,440 Speaker 4: on our YouTube channel where they appear often as YouTube shorts. 783 00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,480 Speaker 4: You can also find us on Facebook where we have 784 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,880 Speaker 4: a Facebook group. Here's where It's Crazy, which I believe 785 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,680 Speaker 4: is where you might have been able to experience the 786 00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,560 Speaker 4: comic that we described firsthand. Isn't that right? Was that posted? 787 00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:08,200 Speaker 4: There was that sense you? 788 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:09,240 Speaker 3: Yes, that's great. 789 00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:10,800 Speaker 4: There you go, so you can you can be a 790 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,600 Speaker 4: part of that too, and also the red Headed StepShot 791 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,960 Speaker 4: of the bunch x FK Twitter. We are conspiracy stuff 792 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,319 Speaker 4: on all three of those. On Instagram and TikTok, where 793 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:25,440 Speaker 4: you'll also find some content, we are conspiracy Stuff show. 794 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,160 Speaker 3: And if you don't sit the social meds, if your 795 00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,959 Speaker 3: dry January means no social media, we have your back. 796 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,640 Speaker 3: You can call us directly on a telephonic device of 797 00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,799 Speaker 3: your choosing. All you have to do is cast the 798 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,000 Speaker 3: following spell. Look at the numbers hit one eight, three 799 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:48,280 Speaker 3: three STDWYTK. You will summon three minutes into the void 800 00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,520 Speaker 3: and be careful, folks. Sometimes the void answers back. All 801 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,680 Speaker 3: we ask that you do. Tell us what's on your mind, 802 00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:57,040 Speaker 3: give yourself a cool nickname. 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