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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my

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Speaker 2: name is Noah.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer Alexis, code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly,

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Speaker 3: you are you.

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Speaker 4: You are here.

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Speaker 3: That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 3: At the top of the week, we like to spend

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Speaker 3: an evening exploring stories that may not have hit the

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Speaker 3: top of the fold, as they used to say in

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Speaker 3: the days of print. However, some of these stories, when

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Speaker 3: they do hit, they don't get kind of the exploration

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Speaker 3: that they deserve. And that's what we're here for. We're

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Speaker 3: going to learn about some viral disappearance conspiracies. We're going

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Speaker 3: to learn about some active, dangerous true crime, not just

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Speaker 3: in Atlanta, but across the US. And if we're doing that,

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Speaker 3: I wanted to run through a couple of quick things

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Speaker 3: that haught our collective eye. Do you guys remember our

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Speaker 3: period of exploring prosperity theology?

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Speaker 4: Oh boy, could how could we forget kreflo dollar Yeah,

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Speaker 4: gold plated private jets and all of that good stuff. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: We came out of that one with something that I

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Speaker 3: make no apologies for around condemnation of those folks who

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Speaker 3: are leveraging one of the most beautiful aspects of human

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Speaker 3: human beings, the ability to believe they're leveraging it for

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Speaker 3: a grift. Very and I say this not as a Christian,

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Speaker 3: So there's a bit of good news. I want to

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Speaker 3: start off with good news. A Brook pastor known as

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Speaker 3: often called the Bling Bishop, was just found guilty in

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Speaker 3: court of spending ninety thousand US dollars of his parishioner's

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Speaker 5: No man, So I've always been to churches where that

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Speaker 5: money I don't who knows what happens behind the scenes,

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Speaker 5: but that money ends up going to like actual missionary work,

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Speaker 5: and I've seen it happen.

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Speaker 2: It's been a super positive thing.

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Speaker 3: That's how it's so stablished.

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Speaker 2: So depressing that.

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Speaker 4: But isn't it funny too though, how some parishioners I

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Speaker 4: guess that's the word of these prosperity theology churches are

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Speaker 4: almost okay with their money being used to enrich their

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Speaker 4: pastors in that way. Some of them, I guess maybe

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Speaker 4: are being you know, swindled, and they don't know. But

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Speaker 4: I do get to sense there are some that are

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean, Stockholm syndrome is.

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Speaker 4: As I'm just saying, you know, that's and maybe I'm

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Speaker 4: maybe I'm paying with a broad brush there.

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Speaker 3: But to give you a taste, fellow conspiracy realist, of

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Speaker 3: what prosperity theology is, I'd like to play a quick

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Speaker 3: clip from the famous Kreflo Dollar when he talks to

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Speaker 4: Dollar also responded to his critics during a sermon, if.

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Speaker 5: I want to believe God for sixty five million dollar brain,

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Speaker 5: you cannot stop me.

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Speaker 4: You cannot stop me from dreaming, you know, But I

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Speaker 4: think too this is also a product of like gross

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Speaker 4: commercialization of religion as well. The whole concept of prosperity

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Speaker 4: theology is about like having all the things, and why

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Speaker 4: wouldn't you aspire to your spiritual leader and want them

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was one of the primary selling points of

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Speaker 5: going to be okay, you can find wealth just you know,

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Speaker 5: follow essentially me and the theology that I preach.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, we are not poor in spirit. We are

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Speaker 3: a group of temporarily embarrassed spiritual millionaires. To paraphrase Ambrosepears.

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Speaker 3: I love that we're mentioning aspire too, because in the

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Speaker 3: Like everybody's getting jets, everybody's got Louis vatad suits and

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Speaker 3: so on. Why not flex in a different way? Why

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Speaker 3: not clone some Frank and sheep huh hybrids. That's something

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Speaker 3: that's happening in Montana. Did you guys hear about this?

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Speaker 3: We owe a debt of thanks to a conspiracy realist

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Speaker 4: Just the broad strokes are there any more? Deep says

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Speaker 3: So traffickers in Montana have cloned what are called Frankin

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Speaker 4: I never really thought abou hunting sheep. Isn't the whole

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Speaker 4: Well seem a little unsportsman alike. Maybe these hybrids are

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Speaker 4: like have superpowers all of a sudden, but they're better chase.

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Speaker 3: Maybe they're like super bigs.

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Speaker 5: It's like the plot of that movie The Island. You

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Speaker 5: guys remember that one?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, clones are.

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Speaker 5: We talked about with our bought like harvesting, right organ

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Speaker 5: harvesting episode. But it's like that, except you combine that

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Speaker 5: with the most dangerous game except their sheep.

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Speaker 2: This is super fun, guys.

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Speaker 3: For this is going to be amazing. This could be

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Speaker 3: a great billionaire sketch on social media. So shout out

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Speaker 3: to Popular Science the journalist Andrew Paul, and shout out

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Speaker 3: to Monica del val or del Vallier over on Twitter,

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Speaker 3: who hipped us to this this happening pretty recently. Turns

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Speaker 3: out that these guys pled in court guilty to two

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Speaker 3: felony wildlife crimes, the Lacy Act in particular, which you

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Speaker 3: It's a law from way back in nineteen hundred which

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Speaker 3: is meant to combat illegal animal trafficking, and folks who

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Speaker 3: run quote alternative lifestock end quote ranches in Montana are

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Speaker 3: finding themselves in trouble with Uncle Sam on this to

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Speaker 3: tell you, yes, I think you're right. No, in terms

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Speaker 3: go to the pop side description of this. These these

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Speaker 3: Franklin sheep are about forty nine inches tall at the shoulder.

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Speaker 3: Their horns are over five feet wide across. They weigh

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Speaker 3: what I mean. Like, if they're mad at you, you're

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Speaker 4: Do they have like scary horns or anything.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, their horns are over five feet wide.

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Speaker 4: Oh that's true. Really, Okay, okay, well there you go.

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Speaker 4: So it's someone'st more like a ram hunting a ram

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Speaker 3: And it was an actual conspiracy because according to the

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Speaker 3: so like probably limbs or some sort of genetic material

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Speaker 3: of the sheep from Kyrghyzstan way back in twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 3: They smuggled them into the US and then they contacted

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Speaker 3: an underground lab to make embryo clones of the Kyrghistani

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Speaker 3: this farm in Montana and they just bred them until

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Speaker 3: Checks out, checks out, yeah, yeah right, So you know,

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Speaker 3: maybe that drift is busted for our prosperity theologians in

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Speaker 3: the crowd. If that doesn't quite if that doesn't quite

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Speaker 3: do it for you, you could also fund a mysterious

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Speaker 3: monolith like the Perfect Monolith that appeared in Wales quite recently.

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Speaker 3: This is coming to us from the New York times,

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Speaker 3: Amy Ortiz, Did you guys hear about this? It just

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Speaker 3: it's a monolith that just appeared.

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Speaker 4: No, but remember there was another story the monolith. It

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Speaker 4: and it caused all this internet hubbub. But then it

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Speaker 4: turned out it was just some like you know, be

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Speaker 4: a Nolli type cap.

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Speaker 2: Ooh, it looks similar to that one.

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Speaker 3: It does, but it's unrelated. We're what we're talking about here, folks,

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Speaker 3: is the rash of mysterious objects that were placed around

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Speaker 3: Q four of twenty twenty is the corporate types would

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Speaker 3: call it. This story occurs because a guy named Craig

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Speaker 3: Mure left his house in and you'll love this town

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Speaker 3: name left his house in hay On Way, Powells Whales.

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Speaker 4: Going hay On Way, y'ah sounds like like a sports thing.

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Speaker 4: Are you gonna go like crazy? Bro?

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Speaker 3: You're so hey right now?

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Speaker 4: Oh man on Way.

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Speaker 6: Day in the wind there it is there, it is

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Speaker 6: so this guy he takes a walk in a pretty

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Speaker 6: and he had the same guests as us.

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Speaker 3: Speaking to The New York Times, he said it must

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Speaker 3: have been some sort of art installation. If he didn't

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Speaker 5: What if this is from that satellite that fell from

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a rod of God. What if it's a kinetic

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Speaker 3: all the studies down Or what if there are a

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Speaker 4: Current planet satellites?

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Speaker 3: Tell us that's perfect, No, keep it like, tell us, folks,

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Speaker 3: what is You know, Prosperity theology is going to be

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Speaker 3: a thing for a long time because the US has

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Speaker 3: or things that get to call themselves religion shout out scientology.

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Speaker 3: So maybe you can help us help them. Let's find

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Speaker 3: some new flexes for spiritual grifters. Nice suits, private jets.

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Speaker 3: Come on, that's a little right, old beans. What's what like,

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Speaker 3: get some freak.

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Speaker 2: I've got one.

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Speaker 5: Yes, guys, I found this and I meant to share

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Speaker 5: it with you, and I never did. And you probably

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Speaker 5: even know about this. It's not news, but it is. Sorry,

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Speaker 5: employee on my phone. It is a guy named Ernst

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Speaker 5: Vitter v E T e R. It's the Ernst system. Okay,

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Speaker 5: it is a gentleman that My name is Ernst Ter.

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Speaker 2: This is his website.

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Speaker 5: I am a practitioner and teacher of superpowers trained. If

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Speaker 5: that's not prosperity theology, thing like getting started, come on,

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Speaker 5: let's go.

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Speaker 3: No, forget the show. Beat me here, doc the show.

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Speaker 3: Send me that thing. I want to read it incredible.

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Speaker 4: I was just going to throw into the ring jewel

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Speaker 4: incrusted robot exoskeleton suits.

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Speaker 3: Finally time has come. It's what Jesus would.

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Speaker 4: Want, It's what he would have done had he had

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Speaker 3: That's what the templars were all about.

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Speaker 4: That's the secret.

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Speaker 3: Also, the shroud of turret is a Middle Age or

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Speaker 3: medieval forgery. Just to be good about that.

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Speaker 4: What about it.

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Speaker 5: Wait, wait, what about a church where you take all

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Speaker 4: And we returned with a story that was teased by

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Speaker 4: I think it applies here. What was it? The Marchioness

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Speaker 4: such a you know, kind of clearing house, I guess

440
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Speaker 4: for photos for all kinds of news agencies. They released

441
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Speaker 4: this and it sticking very seriously. I didn't realize this,

442
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 4: but in looking into the story, there are a lot

443
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Speaker 4: of very specific guidelines around what kind of doctoring is

444
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Speaker 4: allowed in photos. So yeah, I'm sorry, I'm ready to

445
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,360
Speaker 4: lead there a little bit. It became very clear very

446
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Speaker 4: quickly this photo had been weirdly photoshopped. If we're looking

447
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 4: at it, we might be like, okay, maybe these were

448
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 4: just kind of like ham fisted touch up jobs, Like

449
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 4: there's some parts where there's some sort of like artifacting.

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm not an expert in this. Matt would

451
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,400
Speaker 4: probably be a little more able to point the stuff out.

452
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Speaker 4: But things like the evidence of a clone tool being

453
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Speaker 4: used in photoshop, and evidence of a background blur kind

454
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Speaker 4: of tool being used, and some even copy and pasting

455
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Speaker 4: and textures that didn't make sense. And I think there's

456
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Speaker 4: something even like the kid's hand around the chair looks

457
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Speaker 4: kind of weird to my eyes. But yeah, and of

458
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 4: course when that happened, Oh boy, did those Internet salutes

459
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Speaker 4: go nuts. She's dead. This is all a lie. This

460
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 4: is a fabricated image. You know, her children have been abducted.

461
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 4: God knows what the sky's the limit to which presume

462
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Speaker 4: I believe the princess posted something on the same account.

463
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Speaker 4: I'm saying, like many amateur photographers, I do occasionally experiment

464
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Speaker 4: with editing. I wanted to express my apologies for any

465
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Speaker 4: confusion the family photograph we shared yesterday cause I hope

466
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 4: everyone had a very happy Mother's Day. So the princess

467
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Speaker 4: is copying to editing her own photo. This is something

468
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Speaker 4: everybody does, you know, in the age of phone photo

469
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Speaker 4: editing apps that are as powerful as Photoshop once was,

470
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Speaker 4: people like to touch their stuff up. There's a culture

471
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Speaker 4: of that, you know already that exists in things like

472
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Speaker 4: fashion magazines stuff. But the news is different. When you're

473
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Speaker 4: covering the news, you're not supposed to have any touch ups.

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Speaker 4: That's what I was saying. I found out can't even

475
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Speaker 4: get rid of red eye apparently. Ben. I don't know

476
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Speaker 4: if you heard about this, but There's a story I

477
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Speaker 4: ran across about a supposed war photographer who was like fat,

478
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Speaker 4: who's like stealing and photoshopping other war images to pass

479
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Speaker 4: them off as his own in conflict zones. I can't

480
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Speaker 4: remember the guy's name, but it's a thing that happens.

481
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Speaker 4: And you know, a lot of those photos were pulled

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Speaker 4: that when that happen. Have you heard of any other

483
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Speaker 4: examples of this kind of thing.

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Speaker 3: It's weird because it's a more specific version of the

485
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Speaker 3: old dilemma for technological innovation and legislation. Journalism is attempting

486
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Speaker 3: to make hard guidelines that keep people ethical and honest,

487
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 3: but those guidelines are often in reaction to this stuff

488
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Speaker 3: that distorts the truth, right, which is anathema to journalism

489
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Speaker 3: as a vocation or as a concept. And it's this

490
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Speaker 3: is not to say, of course, that there's not an expected,

491
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Speaker 3: to your point, measure of sweetening for images, right, Like,

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Speaker 3: we know that every for a long time, most of

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Speaker 3: the images you see in fashion magazines have been airbrushed

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Speaker 3: to an extent, little blemishes removed, and there seems to

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Speaker 3: be amid the public an expectation of this and a

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Speaker 3: certain degree of tolerance. But after you reach an ill

497
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Speaker 3: defined threshold, then people start reacting adversely. And also, you know,

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Speaker 3: as as anybody's worked in film, most particularly doc Holiday

499
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Speaker 3: here can confirm you know, your favorite films have a

500
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Speaker 3: lot of time put into oh what's that specific profession colorist,

501
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 3: color locking, that kind of stuff, you know, so sure, yeah, yeah,

502
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 3: that's it. So I think it's it's almost a spectrum.

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Speaker 3: It's a matter of degree of editing. And you made

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Speaker 3: an excellent point there earlier too, where you're saying, hey,

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Speaker 3: a lot of people do this. It's normalized, right, and

506
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Speaker 3: it's convenient through something like a phone app to put

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Speaker 3: a filter on, and as long as you're not, you know,

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Speaker 3: making yourself look like a h a space bear or

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Speaker 3: a German shepherd.

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Speaker 4: Then people Yeah. But but again the question then too big, Ben,

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Speaker 4: Those are excellent points is what is the intent of

512
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Speaker 4: the photo? You know what I mean? So is it

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Speaker 4: newsworthy or is it fashion which doesn't have the expectation

514
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 4: of newsworthiness per se. This is all stuff basically cooked

515
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,479
Speaker 4: up in a lab, you know. But there have been

516
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Speaker 4: instances where celebrities even where it came out and said

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Speaker 4: I didn't like what they did to my legs, you know,

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Speaker 4: like I think it was Kate Winslet, another famous Kate

519
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Speaker 4: who there was some vanity fair, vogue or something where

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Speaker 4: she said they like reduced the size of her legs

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Speaker 4: by a magnitude and did not care for it. And

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Speaker 4: then the flip side is Lena Dunham. There was an

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Speaker 4: image or a series of images taken of her for

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Speaker 4: some you know magazine of that stripe and then the

525
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Speaker 4: Internet released the untouched version and she said she felt

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Speaker 4: invaded by them releasing the untouched version because it was

527
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Speaker 4: she you know, took the agency away from her.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it reminds me of Fox News for another context.

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Speaker 3: You know, Fox News got in trouble a while back

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Speaker 3: because they were, without official knowledge, they were publishing photographs

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Speaker 3: of I think primarily folks from the Democratic or party

532
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Speaker 3: or left side of political ideology in the US. They

533
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Speaker 3: were publishing these photographs where the picture happened altered to

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Speaker 3: make a nose bigger, to make teeth yellower, things like that,

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Speaker 3: Subtle things that you wouldn't necessarily catch. And I think

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Speaker 3: you're making an excellent point regarding intent, because we know

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Speaker 3: the alteration of photograph of photographs. Excuse me, and the

538
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Speaker 3: plural can be an alteration of history. Shout out Tianaman Square,

539
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 3: shout out the pie styling photoshop fan.

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Speaker 4: Jose of Stalin, and I just my last little thing out.

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Speaker 4: I want to hear what you have to say about

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Speaker 4: this in terms of the intent. And I can't remember

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Speaker 4: there were there was a Verge piece that I read.

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Speaker 4: Now I'm scanning through it trying to find the exact quote.

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Speaker 4: But it was a really good point that either Mia

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Speaker 4: Saddo made in the Verge or or the NPR writer

547
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 4: made in that piece that was Linda Holmes. But the

548
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 4: idea that the intent of this photo, it wasn't meant

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Speaker 4: to be like a proof of life kind of situation.

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Speaker 4: But that is immediately how the Internet took it and

551
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 4: therefore treated it as this news item for all aburbos.

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Speaker 4: That this exactly was what it seemed was as a

553
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Speaker 4: mom making a nice picture with her kids. And also,

554
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 4: there is no reason to believe there's anything fishy going

555
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 4: on with Kate Middleton. We didn't even get to the

556
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Speaker 4: whole you know, conspiracy theory behind a divorce because of

557
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 4: the what's her name, guys, the the Holy Cow, the

558
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Speaker 4: marchionetts of Chambawombley, Charlie im Alder, what was it again?

559
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Speaker 4: I have no idea.

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Speaker 2: I just know the Marchioness of Bucket, that's all I know.

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00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the what I respect, sir.

562
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the that's the only one that matters. It

563
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 4: is the Marchian net of. It's like, it looks like

564
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 4: it's chom wam delay or something. And apparently Stephen Colbert

565
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 4: did a bit on it and pronounced it as such

566
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 4: and was told that it's not pronounced that way. It's

567
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Speaker 4: sort of like, what has it been Wooster? That looks

568
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 4: like it should be Worchester, Leicester is lester things. Yeah,

569
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,239
Speaker 4: and so it's like Chumbley I think that might be right,

570
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 4: Chumbley or Chomley.

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Speaker 3: It's like if you were if you were a drunk

572
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Speaker 3: child labor in the Victorian era and you were trying

573
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Speaker 3: to say.

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Speaker 4: Chimney, yeah exactly, Chimney yeah. Or it's the name of

575
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Speaker 4: your your thieves, your thief master, you know, mister Lmbley.

576
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 4: You know, he runs like a crooked orphanage or something.

577
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 4: But in any case, the point of the matter is

578
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 4: it's a serious surgery, whatever it is. If it's on

579
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 4: your abdominal and it's it's enough to keep you out

580
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 4: of the public eye for that long, and chances are

581
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Speaker 4: she just wasn't ready to make an appearance, but wanted

582
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Speaker 4: to show some face for Mother's Day. Whether this was

583
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 4: a current picture or not was never indicated. It was

584
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Speaker 4: not really intended to be indicated. I don't think, And

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Speaker 4: I think it's just a good example of how the

586
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 4: Internet is a hive of scum and villainy and what's

587
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 4: the word again, recreational speculators. Matt closing thoughts that I've

588
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 4: been gab it on this one and I find it fascinating.

589
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Speaker 2: Did you guys see John cena streak at the Oscars?

590
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Speaker 4: I saw, yeah, I saw the stills. I didn't actually watch.

591
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 3: The hashtag goals. He's forty six.

592
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Speaker 5: I think I think about I think about this situation

593
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Speaker 5: with the royal family as much as I thought.

594
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Speaker 2: About that thing.

595
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Speaker 5: But I again, I enjoy John Cena's bit at the Oscars,

596
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 5: this whole, this whole thing. I'm just like, hey, whatever,

597
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 5: it makes me think. It's directly related to the way

598
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 5: we reacted to the Kim Jong un rumors. Remember every

599
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Speaker 5: time he would go missing, like how many times is

600
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Speaker 5: it now.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's always spent a speculation about putin, you know.

602
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Speaker 5: Yeah, you're like, oh, man, we haven't seen that guy

603
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 5: like two months is he alive? And then a picture

604
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 5: would come out like oh this is BS. That's not

605
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Speaker 5: actually right now. I don't know the weekend at Bernie sits,

606
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Speaker 5: you know, the whole thing.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It's hard for me to get myself to care about this.

609
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 4: I think that's fine. Let me make it clear. I

610
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 4: don't care either, and I'm sure she's fine. But I

611
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 4: think this is a teachable moment, you know, in terms

612
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 4: of like what is expected in and again I went

613
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Speaker 4: down some rabbit holes where I was unaware of this,

614
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 4: like these rules against touching up photos to any degree

615
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 4: like red eye even you know, for stuff that is

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Speaker 4: considered newsworthy and is looked at under the guidelines of journalism,

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00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 4: you know. And I think the issue is too that

618
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 4: lines have blurred, you know, between what is news and

619
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Speaker 4: what is entertainment. I think that's a problem. I hear

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Speaker 4: that we're probably dealing with the fallout from and will

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Speaker 4: be for a very long time. Especially and again, these

622
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Speaker 4: these regulations are more important now than ever because of

623
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Speaker 4: things like AI and much more easy access to doctoring

624
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 4: software that even the novice can just do. Dep dep

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Speaker 4: there it is, you know, somebody's next to somebody else.

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Speaker 2: I don't think we talked about yet, and I know

627
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Speaker 2: we need to move on.

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00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 4: But the whole.

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Speaker 5: Gaza conflict. AI generated images that were shown off as

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Speaker 5: real for for a while before they were found out

631
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 5: like just completely AI generated images of Gaza in you know,

632
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 5: in ruins and false. I don't think happened. It's it's

633
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 5: you could look it up. It's just it's really it's

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Speaker 5: a scary time. We're moving into where I understand why

635
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 5: people call into question something like that when it comes

636
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 5: from a source you know that maybe is mistrusted by

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Speaker 5: a lot of people, are distrusted by a lot of people.

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00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 5: But it we're in that world now, we're in that place,

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Speaker 5: and I don't know how we get out of it. Uh,

640
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 5: And it's going to be this way for almost everything.

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Speaker 4: I think. I don't think you can put the toothpaste

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00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 4: back in the tube at this point. AnyWho, Let's take

643
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 4: a quick break here, a word from our sponsor, and

644
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 4: then come back with a more piece of strange news.

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Speaker 5: All right, we've returned and we are going to hang

646
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 5: out in our city, Atlanta for a little bit.

647
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Speaker 2: Well, I guess it's y'all city. My city is I guess?

648
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 4: Oh North?

649
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 3: Now let me tell people you live when we're on

650
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Speaker 3: the road, you know what I mean, Georgia.

651
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Speaker 5: So, by the way, I just discovered that I'm taking

652
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Speaker 5: a rather long flight very soon for an event we're

653
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Speaker 5: going to be a part of in a Boeing seven

654
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Speaker 5: sixty seven. So yeeha, boys, rolling the dice, love it

655
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 5: love it is life.

656
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 3: If not to be lived. Drink, make merry in Buckhead.

657
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 3: I'm quite excited about this story, madam, Well, interested in

658
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 3: your take here?

659
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 2: This is a this is a freaky story.

660
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 5: It does make me want us to put on our

661
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 5: detective hats, you know, go hang out at some bars.

662
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 4: Nay, just start to bar isn' Johnny' hide away at

663
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 4: Cougar Bar.

664
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Speaker 2: Well, we'll get into it to it. Okay, Sorry, here

665
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Speaker 2: we go?

666
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 3: Okay, so here we we mean cougar in an affirmational sense,

667
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 3: A million.

668
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, go get it, yeah, go get it.

669
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 2: Whatever that get us stay away from me. Are you

670
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 2: still sorry for here we go?

671
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 5: Here is the title and this is crazy. Here's the

672
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 5: title for NBC News. This is written by Matt Laviette's

673
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 5: I think that's how you'd say.

674
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 2: His name is okay.

675
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 5: Posted on March eleventh, so not long ago, as we're

676
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 5: recording this on the thirteenth. Here's the title. Young men

677
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 5: say that they were drugged, kidnapped, robbed of thousands at

678
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 5: Atlanta bars. I'm going to read some of this verbatim

679
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 5: because it is really important to get this stuff correct,

680
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 5: and then we can maybe discuss.

681
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 4: A little bit.

682
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 2: Here we go.

683
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 5: Eight men said they lost consciousness and were robbed of

684
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 5: thousands of dollars while out at bars in a wealthy

685
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 5: Atlanta neighborhood from November twenty twenty one until last month,

686
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 5: and at his buckhead. It's a neighborhood of Atlanta. Here

687
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 5: we go, let's continue. The men said they believed they

688
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 5: were drugged or they described feeling abnormally intoxicated shortly before

689
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 5: their phones were used to transfer thousands of dollars out

690
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 5: of their bank accounts Nightmare, largely using mobile payment apps

691
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 5: like you think of what anyone that you use, Venmo

692
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 5: cash app, Apple Cash, all that stuff, PayPal and also

693
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 5: their credit cards were used to make fraudulent purchases. Five

694
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 5: of the eight men also alleged that while they were

695
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 5: in and out of consciousness, probably drugged right on the

696
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 5: nights of their encounters, they were driven around Atlanta in

697
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 5: unfamiliar cars by strangers, and most of the people who

698
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 5: were interviewed for this had a hazy memory of what happened,

699
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 5: so again in and out of consciousness, remembering bits and

700
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 5: pieces of the encounter as they're going. Very scary stuff.

701
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 5: All of the alleged incidents occurred after men went out

702
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 5: to bars in Buckhead. It's described here by writer Matt,

703
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 5: not me, Matt Lavette's as an affluent a landa neighborhood

704
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 5: known for its vibrant nightlife and young crowd, which is

705
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 5: something I think we can all attest to. That's what

706
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 5: I know of Buckhead when I've been in there. That's

707
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 5: how I would describe it.

708
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 4: It's not our scene, it's our scene.

709
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,479
Speaker 3: Our old office was there. I used to live there

710
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 3: once upon a time, off our road.

711
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 5: I used to live very close to there, and I've

712
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 5: visited a couple of places we're about to mention because

713
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 5: four of the men said the alleged crimes occurred at

714
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 5: this place called Five paces In that I've never been to.

715
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 5: It's described as a dive bar by most people who

716
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 5: go to it. Others said incidents took place at three

717
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 5: other popular bars, a place called thirty th hi r

718
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 5: T Y Johnny's Hideaway, which is maybe it has a

719
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 5: reputation because this is how I've also encountered it to

720
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Speaker 5: or how I've heard about it, Noel, as you're describing

721
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 5: it a bar where there's it's got a bit older

722
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 5: client but often looking to party with maybe younger folks

723
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 5: who join up at the at the party there.

724
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 4: I have heard that from multiple sources. Have not seen

725
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 4: it firsthand.

726
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 3: It's I've see it firsthand. It's acquired, you know, it's

727
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 3: kind of like the local notoriety that you want if

728
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 3: you're running a public house, similar to how like the Claremont.

729
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 3: You know, sure, so it's good marketing for them, that

730
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 3: kind of tongue in cheek demographic advertisement.

731
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Speaker 4: It does borderline, though, have the vibe of like a

732
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 4: swinger's kind of situation. I wouldn't say.

733
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 3: It's borderline at all.

734
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 4: I think, okay, fair enough, I'm just trying to be diplomatic.

735
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, I got that Yeah, I got that vibe too

736
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 5: a little bit. I'm not sure though. But the other

737
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 5: place is called the Ivy Buckhead.

738
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 2: It's just known here as.

739
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Speaker 5: The Ivy, and it's it's more of a gosh, I

740
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Speaker 5: don't again, I don't want to talk smack about any

741
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 5: of these places because they're actually kind of cool. The

742
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,439
Speaker 5: Ivy struck me as more of a bro hangout kind

743
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 5: of vibe. Yeah, yeah, like maybe college guys or or

744
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 5: fresh out of college guys just hanging out. So, first

745
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 5: of all, this thing, this type of crime where you

746
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 5: are hanging out at a bar, maybe something gets slipped

747
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 5: into a drink that you've ordered, and then all of

748
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 5: a sudden you're out of it, and you're saying yes

749
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 5: to things that you would normally say yes to, or

750
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:25,240
Speaker 5: you are being manipulated by someone physically by like capacitated.

751
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:30,720
Speaker 3: Someone says, yeah, this is my buddy Chandler, here's his card.

752
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 4: He's fine.

753
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 3: And then especially if this occurs on a high traffic night,

754
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,280
Speaker 3: and again, this is not denigration at all towards the staff,

755
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,479
Speaker 3: towards the people going out to have a good time.

756
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 3: If you're in the weeds and it's a really busy night.

757
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 3: Then you want things that are easy to say yes

758
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 3: to and don't look suspicious. So cool ring out the

759
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 3: check because I have like eighteen people right now also

760
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 3: drunk and yelling for drinks. So it's understandable. That's why.

761
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 3: That's why these predators like where they do. It's opportunitism.

762
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 4: I would also add to that that a lot of

763
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 4: these places to me have the vibe of a place

764
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 4: where there is an expectation of drug use and perhaps

765
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 4: drug dealing and consumption. It's just a thing, you know,

766
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 4: It's part of certain scenes and a Johnny's Hideaway type

767
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 4: vibe just hits me that way, and so it could

768
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 4: be the kind of place for maybe someone wouldn't notice

769
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 4: how messed up they were right away, because again a

770
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 4: not victim blaming here, I'm just trajecturing. But it does

771
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 4: strike me that way a little bit, because we've seen

772
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 4: similarities between this and some other crimes at similar types

773
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 4: of places in other cities.

774
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, Yes, I do want to point out two mechs.

775
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 3: I know we got a lot to get to here.

776
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 3: I do want to point out just for everybody tuning in, statistically,

777
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:50,240
Speaker 3: there are probably there are unfortunately definitely fellow conspiracy realists

778
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 3: in the audience tonight who have been the victims or

779
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 3: someone has attempted to victimize you through drugging you when

780
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 3: you were out at a party with what would ordinarily

781
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 3: be a reasonable expectation of safety. We understand it, We

782
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,720
Speaker 3: have your back. Please don't play around with it. Don't

783
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 3: drink drinks given to you by strangers, don't leave drinks unattended.

784
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 3: Please deploy the buddy system. It's just it's not worth it,

785
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 3: even when law enforcement does their best to address it.

786
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 5: Absolutely, let's go ahead and address one other thing here,

787
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 5: or a couple other things. We don't often get to

788
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 5: hear a big story about men being victims of this

789
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 5: kind of crime. We often hear about women being sexually

790
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 5: assaulted and attacked and harassed in these ways at nightclubs,

791
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 5: at bars, slipping a drug into a drink, and then

792
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 5: someone you know, predator approaching. It's just not common to

793
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 5: hear about it. It's something that happens all the time.

794
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 5: This I think, I don't know. I don't think this

795
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 5: is directly related to the New York crimes that we

796
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 5: had heard about guys in the recent past, because that

797
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 5: was a group of people who are actually awaiting trial

798
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 5: right now, like all the people that were. There were

799
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 5: several gay bars in New York that a couple of

800
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,439
Speaker 5: years ago, the same kind of thing was happening. Men

801
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 5: were being taken from the bar, they were intoxicated way

802
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 5: too fast, and money was taken out of their accounts,

803
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 5: both via their phone and like they were driven around

804
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 5: in the same manner to ATMs where money was taken

805
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 5: out repeatedly, same kind of crime. And in both of

806
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 5: these instances though there I think this is just me

807
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 5: pousiting it. I think because of the neighborhood, there is

808
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 5: an expectation by these criminals whoever is stealing money from people,

809
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 5: They believe that patrons who go to these bars are

810
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 5: going to have more money in their accounts. And it

811
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,240
Speaker 5: appears that that is true, because we're talking ten thousand

812
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,919
Speaker 5: dollars that's sitting in a checking account that was taken out,

813
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 5: or thirteen thousand dollars in one of the cases, or

814
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 5: more where bank accoun emptied, and there are tens of

815
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,240
Speaker 5: thousands of dollars in those accounts. So there's a couple

816
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 5: of different types of targeting that are occurring here. I

817
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 5: don't know how to protect yourself other than as you said, Ben,

818
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 5: watch your drink right at all times. The other thing

819
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 5: is several of the men reported that their assailants used

820
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:26,240
Speaker 5: their facial recognition to unlost the phones. So they're intoxicated,

821
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 5: they're half passed out or whatever, and they were these

822
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 5: assailants were still able to gain access to their phones

823
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 5: and all of their apps.

824
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 4: And most of those apps don't have a pen. They'll

825
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 4: just go, you know, if you get into the phone,

826
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 4: you're in the app for the most part, or they

827
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 4: don't have two factor authentication.

828
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 3: Now, I wanted to ask to the idea of what

829
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 3: always Sonny would call a brown out, come to and

830
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 3: fro from consciousness and memory. It seems that from some

831
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 3: of the reports of the gentleman who came forward, that

832
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Speaker 3: they were perhaps being repeated le dosed yes a period

833
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 3: of time. Could you tell us a little more about

834
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 3: that or their their descriptions.

835
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 2: I'm not going to name the names.

836
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 5: You can find the names of the men who were

837
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 5: victims here because oh gosh, six six of the eight

838
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 5: men actually reached out to the APD and other police

839
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,280
Speaker 5: outfits to report these crimes, and all of the cases

840
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 5: remain open of those six men that reported, so like,

841
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:31,760
Speaker 5: there hasn't been any major movement Brandy, you know, finding

842
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 5: the people who are doing this yet. But in one

843
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 5: of the cases, at least that I read in the

844
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 5: NBC News article and some of the follow ups there

845
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 5: was that one of the men reported waking up and

846
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 5: there his assailants were basically they noticed, right, and they

847
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:47,879
Speaker 5: were like, oh, we got to put him back under,

848
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 5: so they forced.

849
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 2: Fed him something.

850
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 5: But it wasn't like it didn't I don't know the

851
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 5: way it's described as a bit strange.

852
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 2: Do you have the quote, Ben.

853
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of these people, and again, as Matt said,

854
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 3: you can find them, but just out of respect for them,

855
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 3: we're not gonna we're not gonna like platform their names

856
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,280
Speaker 3: because these guys didn't do anything wrong. To be very clear,

857
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 3: one victim says, the last thing they remember is being

858
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 3: at a bar. They're ordering a round of drinks for friends,

859
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 3: the way you would do in any given night. And

860
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 3: then he quote then recalls briefly coming to in the

861
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 3: backseat of an accelerating vehicle while being restrained by an

862
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 3: unknown person and says, I just remember everything was black

863
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 3: in there. I was trying to scream but it was

864
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 3: like a hand was over me, forcing more of that

865
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 3: substance down my mouth. And the person says it wasn't

866
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 3: a liquid at this point, it was something solid. They

867
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 3: just don't know what. Yes, so a pill perhaps.

868
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 2: We don't know.

869
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 4: I don't know, right, well, I mean really.

870
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Speaker 5: And just to finish up the encounter with that person,

871
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 5: it goes on to say he woke up several hours

872
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 5: later violently throwing up blood in a gas station bathroom

873
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 5: three miles away from the bar. Oh, like, I can't

874
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 5: imagine going through that. And he lost thirteen thousand dollars

875
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 5: that night.

876
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Speaker 4: They must have had some sort of smarts in terms

877
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Speaker 4: of being able to get that much, because you know,

878
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 4: there are maximums for a zell and things like that

879
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 4: that are tied to your bank account, or you'd think

880
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 4: there'd be a block on it.

881
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 2: Atter.

882
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 5: Well, these guys went into the person's phone, right, And

883
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 5: in a couple of cases, it also appears if you guys,

884
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 5: I guess I'm jumping ahead here, but if you go

885
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 5: to Google right, and you like, go to Google Maps

886
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 5: and you search for the five paces in and you

887
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 5: can check out their reviews. Who knows how many of

888
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 5: these reviews are a response to some of the reporting.

889
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 5: You know, sometimes there are reviews that are not genuine there.

890
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,280
Speaker 5: It's almost like piling on when there's bad press about

891
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,479
Speaker 5: a place. But a few of these at least seem

892
00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 5: to be pointing out actual events where a purse was stolen,

893
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 5: a cell phone was stolen, or one of the you know,

894
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 5: someone was victimized in this way at this establishment, and

895
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 5: in a couple of them. It appears that there's enough

896
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 5: social engineering going on in this busy bar where think

897
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 5: about how many times if you don't use spatial recognition

898
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 5: on your phone, you pull up your phone and you

899
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 5: type your password in real quick? Do you hide every

900
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:25,479
Speaker 5: time you do that? Do you put your phone away

901
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 5: and you know, quietly put your number in? Anybody could

902
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 5: glance over, you know, and just go, oh, I know

903
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 5: that number.

904
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 2: Easy.

905
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 4: You could even see the fingerprints. Oh my god.

906
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think about that a lot. Yeah, and then same,

907
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 3: I mean, it's the same as a pen number at

908
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 3: an ATM or you know, a point of sale. There's

909
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 3: also additionally to this. We we see that there are

910
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 3: moonlighting cops, there are security officers there. But to be clear,

911
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 3: without you know, casting unfair aspersion on any of these

912
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 3: establisablishments of their staff. I think it's really important that

913
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 3: you pointed out, Matt, there have been similar complaints or

914
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 3: there have been complaints of theft, complaints of predatory behavior

915
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 3: and so on for quite some time in that area.

916
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, so how do you fix that? Guys?

917
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 5: If you want a place to go hang out in

918
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 5: public with other people and all feel safe, but also

919
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 5: that sense of you know, I'm out and it's not

920
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 5: not dangerous, what is the what is the exciting thing

921
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 5: about a club or a bar like that? Just that

922
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 5: you're with other people, you are seeing other people in

923
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 5: being seen, and what is it?

924
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 3: It's the for a lot of folks. Well, the humans

925
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 3: are naturally gregarious, right, so there's there's a big thing about,

926
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 3: especially in a younger demographic or sorry, college age demographic,

927
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 3: you want to go out, meet and mingle. Tonight might

928
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 3: be the night that you fall in love for a weekend. Hey,

929
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?

930
00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 4: Well, there's a certain acceptance too of again letting a

931
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 4: little looser than you might and certain scenes or bars

932
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,919
Speaker 4: or clubs are even more so that. Right, if you're

933
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 4: into this kind of thing, or maybe you're into these

934
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 4: kind of drugs or whatever. This is where you go.

935
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 4: So there's a certain cocoonness of it all where you're like,

936
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 4: this is an accepted behavior. I'm in my safe space

937
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,760
Speaker 4: that can very quickly turn into a dangerous space.

938
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Speaker 5: Well, I guess okay, So there are a couple of

939
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 5: things just my thoughts from that. How I just wonder

940
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 5: how much of that is controlled by the groups of

941
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 5: people that end up congregating at those specific locations over time. Right,

942
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 5: do they create their own culture, like including drugs or

943
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 5: whatever is occurring there, their own types of people or

944
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 5: do you think that's the owner and the staff. And

945
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,760
Speaker 5: I think it's way more the human beings that decide

946
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 5: to congregate over time at a place, Right, I just

947
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 5: I don't in my mind we were talking about drugs

948
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,240
Speaker 5: in like the places where you go get specific drugs.

949
00:51:59,320 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 2: I just don't want to.

950
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 5: I don't want any of those business owners or you know,

951
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 5: businesses themselves to be associated with that kind of thing

952
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 5: because I don't think it's them.

953
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 2: I think it's just no.

954
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 4: I'm sinking more generally too. I mean, I'm certainly not.

955
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 4: I have not been to any of these places. I

956
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 4: have no idea of reputation. I'm just talking about in general.

957
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 4: There are certain places people would gravitate to for certain

958
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 4: types of things.

959
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 3: It's the oasis problem, okay, or that's the oasis situation right.

960
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 3: There is a source for congregation and resources that summons

961
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 3: the preyer. I don't even want to say pray that

962
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:35,280
Speaker 3: summons the innocent people, and their presence in numbers summons

963
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 3: the predators. This is a very old thing. It is

964
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 3: not the fault of the staff. It's not the fault

965
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 3: of the innocent people. And to bring it all back

966
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 3: around to look into bit with how our conversation began

967
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 3: this evening. You know, if you started a church and

968
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 3: the same sort of activities happened in youth group and

969
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 3: was open to everybody, and eventually predatory elements would intrude.

970
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, well then, but how do you stop it? Extreme security?

971
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 5: I have like cameras everywhere, so you look at yeah,

972
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 5: well exactly so everybody.

973
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 2: But again that might stop it.

974
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 5: Everybody who comes in and out of the establishment is

975
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 5: identified basically, but again not probably what you want if

976
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 5: you're going to a place like that.

977
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, you want to be a stranger in the night.

978
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 5: You know, you put it, you put a ton more officers,

979
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 5: like off duty police officers around. I don't think that

980
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 5: helps the situation either.

981
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,240
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's just I it freaks me out.

982
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:38,240
Speaker 5: Because I can't see even the hint of a real

983
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 5: solution right there.

984
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 3: There's not really the problem is I mean, the pickle

985
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:49,280
Speaker 3: of it is the answer. The impossible answer is to

986
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:53,280
Speaker 3: create a society such that people do not feel driven

987
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 3: to commit crime to survive, right, or create a society

988
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 3: that somehow effectively disincentivizes is those actions, Or to somehow

989
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 3: alter human nature such that people don't drug these folks.

990
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 3: I mean, some of these folks who got drugged. This

991
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 3: happens every day in the US. Some of them could

992
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,280
Speaker 3: have died. They were not being administered doses of something

993
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 3: by a medical professional. They could have eased.

994
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 5: To date, at least two people died in the New

995
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 5: York attacks at the gay bars. And again, I don't

996
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 5: think these are crimes to survive. We're talking tens of

997
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 5: thousands of dollars. These are crimes for some kind of enterprise,

998
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 5: criminal enterprise that I think is bigger than just.

999
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 2: A couple of people.

1000
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we don't know.

1001
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,879
Speaker 5: We don't know, but it leads me to believe that.

1002
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 5: I think so this is large amounts of money. All right,

1003
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Speaker 5: that's all I've got for this segment of Strange News.

1004
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,560
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1005
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 5: these cases or if something like this is happening in

1006
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1007
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 3: Be safe out there, folks. One thing we can say

1008
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 3: for sure, we do not think cap Middleton is related

1009
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 3: to these crimes, but we have not heard a official

1010
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 3: source on that.

1011
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 4: Who's to say?

1012
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,920
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