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Speaker 1: Mets just signed Devin Williams to a three year, fifty

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Speaker 1: million dollar contract. The first thing that comes to everybody's

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Speaker 1: mind is what does this mean? Freedwin Diaz, we will

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Speaker 1: to get something for Christmas. Devin Williams James signed with

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Speaker 1: the Mets three years fifty What are you thinking.

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Speaker 2: Instant reaction in terms of the player. I think I

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Speaker 2: definitely like the player more than maybe what his public

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Speaker 2: perception is right now. The era was high as a Yankee,

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Speaker 2: it was kind of a disaster season. He allowed to

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Speaker 2: earn run I have it here, I wrote it down here,

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Speaker 2: allowed her to run in five u is for his

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Speaker 2: fourteen appearances of the Yankees last year. I think that

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Speaker 2: But still a really good pitcher, still striking guys out.

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Speaker 2: Then the years and the money caught me very off

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Speaker 2: guard here. Yeah, the years were shocking.

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Speaker 1: I was truly surprised that Devian Williams one took a

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Speaker 1: three year deal. But then when you see the money,

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Speaker 1: you're like, oh, okay, I mean, I guess he kind

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Speaker 1: of had to, Like Devin Williams coming off of the

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Speaker 1: season that he had. While I think under the hood

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Speaker 1: looked a lot better than what the r numbers, like

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Speaker 1: you said, were three years fifty million, you can't say

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Speaker 1: no to that if you're Devin Williams, no matter who's

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Speaker 2: He would have played for the Colorado Rockies at three

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Speaker 2: for fifty definitely not And that's what does make me

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Speaker 2: feel weirried about this trade, despite again liking the signing.

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Speaker 2: What yeah, well, I'll talk more about the players we

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Speaker 2: get through here, but the contract seems like a big

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Speaker 2: commitment to a guy that at at worst is not

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Speaker 2: a good closer, and at best you know there's going

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Speaker 2: to be some erraticness in production just based on the

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Speaker 2: player archy type here. I mean.

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Speaker 1: Shout out Diana the Queen of Mets Twitter. She put

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Speaker 1: out a funny tweet that I book marked already. She

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Speaker 1: was like Devin Williams and the David Stearns Run Organization

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Speaker 1: one point eight nine era David Stearns and non David

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Speaker 1: Devin Williams and non David Sterns Run Organization three point

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Speaker 1: four to eight. The list address real quick to Edwin

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Speaker 1: das stuff. Everyone around the league, all the reporters, all

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Speaker 1: the people that are in the know, are saying this

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Speaker 1: has no impact, does not change anything, with the Mets

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Speaker 1: still being very interested in Edwin Diaz. And I think

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Speaker 1: we have to say that quickly because I think the

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Speaker 1: immediate reaction that anybody and I will say it makes sense,

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Speaker 2: But I like the idea that if we.

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Speaker 1: Don't get Edwin, which of course is a possibility, I

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Speaker 1: except for when he was with the Yankees.

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, but I do feel better about Devin Williams

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Speaker 2: as the two with Edmund as the one. Oh yeah, no,

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Speaker 2: I can't tell you.

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Speaker 1: I'll be happy going Edwin DS to Devin Williams like that,

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Speaker 1: it's very much of what's been seems like all the

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Speaker 1: David Surtins moves so far this offseason, where it's like, well,

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Speaker 1: if this is the only move, I don't feel great.

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Speaker 1: I want to see what happens next, because if Devin

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Speaker 1: Williams is our closer going into opening Day, I'm not

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Speaker 1: and find the Petriello stat about how when Devin Williams

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Speaker 1: when he came into the game. But I won't feel

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Speaker 1: there's also last year Devin Williams went from the Brewers

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Speaker 1: help him next year. It's just it was such a

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Speaker 2: No matter what there is, there's a better floor and

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Speaker 2: Devin Williams than the guy that we saw last year.

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Speaker 2: I got the numbers.

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Speaker 1: So Williams inherited six runners when he entered the game

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Speaker 1: this season, he allowed zero to score.

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Speaker 2: I like hearing that. I think that's a good stat.

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Speaker 1: Williams left ten runners on when departing the next relievers

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's great, So again was a big deal. But

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Speaker 2: I just this is weird. This is now only one

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Speaker 2: deferrals will kick in to bring this down from fifteen million,

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Speaker 2: I'm saying is that it would still I know it's

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Speaker 1: And the reason I say this is because we know

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Speaker 1: And I'm not going to bring up the twenty fourteen

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Speaker 1: That's like that's modern baseball, like love it Chef's Kiss,

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Speaker 1: I think this is the plan.

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Speaker 2: I really do.

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Speaker 1: I think that they're still gonna get Edwin Diaz and

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Speaker 1: they're gonna be like eighth to ninth inning interchangeable. Those

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Speaker 1: feeling good. Obviously it's easier said than done. But over

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Speaker 2: I came on here so ready to be so excited

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Speaker 2: can pontificate about all the reasons that Devin Williams like

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Speaker 2: better luck next year, but seeing that deal and seeing

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Speaker 2: the way that his relatives to the rest of relievers

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Speaker 2: so deferrals still bring it down to twelve million against

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Speaker 2: the luxury tax a year maybe best case scenario. I

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Speaker 1: I don't know how those numbers work, but like in

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Speaker 1: terms of AAV, I'm just we're just gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: Taking fifteen million off over those three years because of

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Speaker 1: the deferrals, that's how much it's gonna be. Five million

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Speaker 2: It's scary when you look at, you know, Robert Stevenson too.

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Speaker 1: Also the fact that Robert Stevenson also never had the

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Speaker 1: say success that Devin Williams had either, that's I think

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Speaker 1: that's it's it's hard when you see Devin Williams really

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Speaker 1: no doubt that having not gonna spin you that A

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Speaker 1: But he had the sustained success and was dominant before

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Speaker 2: Since I am only talking about it in the context

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Speaker 2: Edwin Diaz is not back. What do you think of this?

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Speaker 2: Don't love it? That's I kind of said that at

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Speaker 1: As I said, that's been Stearns' offseason is He's made

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Speaker 1: right like this this can't be the move, just like

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Speaker 1: sime and trade couldn't be the move. Like you're you're

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Speaker 1: worst off trading Simeon for Nimo if that's the only

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Speaker 2: I just want to be more excited about this. I'm sad.

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Speaker 2: I'm not letting myself get side about this.

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Speaker 1: Well, listen, I'm not excited. I'm not pretending like I'm excited.

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Speaker 2: You seem like you're excited.

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Speaker 1: I think it's just a different vibe right now of

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Speaker 2: Maybe that. But man, like, if he's the closer, I

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Speaker 2: just you pay them kind of closer ish money. This

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Speaker 2: especially with that third year, maybe because Uncle Stevie got

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Speaker 1: Hey it big brain, Uncle Steve goes, We're gonna own

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Speaker 1: casino property. I'm gonna be making such boatloads of money.

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Speaker 1: And we saw the reports that came out about his

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Speaker 1: networth now being close to thirty billion dollars, which is

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Speaker 1: double basically where it was when he bought the Mets,

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Speaker 1: which is absolutely insane because the Mets still haven't done

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Speaker 1: shit and his net worth is doubled in terms of billions.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he was just like, go get Devin Williams. It's

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Speaker 1: our eighth and guy we're gonna pay Edwin Das. Maybe

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Speaker 1: he goes nuclear and he pulls kind of a Dodger

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Speaker 1: and said, we want our guys.

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Speaker 2: We're just gonna pay him. We're gonna pay the guys

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Speaker 2: that we want to hear. How many years do you

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Speaker 2: think edwind Diaz going to get his contract? Now? Five?

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Speaker 2: You think he's going to get five? Five? Five for

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Speaker 2: For like one hundred two. Okay, so he'll probably go five.

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Speaker 1: He'll probably go five for one oh three, like just whatever,

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Speaker 2: I think that's what's gonna happen. My brain went there

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Speaker 1: It's also like a big player flag moment for David

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've been two of the biggest Sterns guys

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Speaker 2: Maybe I guess we're already to get into the lockout

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Speaker 2: This also seemed to me like the Luis Evrino deal

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Speaker 1: This is another guy that Stern's taken back from his

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Speaker 2: at some umpires, but also he got that from his

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Speaker 2: Definitely could be. I guess Stearns knows him kind of well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Is us being a little PTSD two of like old Mets, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: maybe once one hundred and twenty million, Like we don't

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Speaker 2: even without it. When Diaz signed to at least two

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Speaker 2: Try and name the other teams Dodgers. Dodgers are one

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Speaker 2: of them, anywain one of these teams shows up here

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Speaker 2: So Dodgers. How many teams are there? There's one more?

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Speaker 1: Is it going to be the Boston Red Sox?

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Speaker 2: But I'm not Countingham's for the fair what and then?

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Speaker 2: So there's still one more team? One more team? Atlanta Braves,

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Speaker 3: Is it?

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Speaker 2: Is it the Orioles. It's the Baltimore Oriols. Just kick

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Speaker 2: just got them both Ryan Helsey and Edrew Kittridge. So

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Speaker 2: this is this is strange. We have three of them,

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Speaker 1: Only team that's where it's got an owner who's got

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Speaker 2: Hopefully that's the case. Maybe just spend, just absolutely spend

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Speaker 2: for that. That's great. If this is going to be

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Speaker 1: Okay, now to just really give you some crazy hypotheticals here,

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Speaker 1: Edwin Diaz one hundred million for five right, we're just

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Speaker 1: ed Devin Williams fifty million for the three theoretically fifty

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Speaker 1: Do you feel better if that money saved by going

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Speaker 2: Possibly that's also the opposite of what you're saying. We're

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Speaker 2: You're just gonna throw it right back. I think, I

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Speaker 2: I think the most direct correlation here has to be Edwin.

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Speaker 2: So I'll give you one for this for five for

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Speaker 2: we'll give it five for one hundred verus a five

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Speaker 2: for one to twenty. Would you either Edwin or Couleey Bellinger? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Wow, ed now knowing that Devin Williams is on the team, Yes, Bellinger,

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Speaker 2: God, I love Edwin. Give me Edwin. Bring it back,

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Speaker 2: Bring back boys. I thought that too. But is that stupid?

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Speaker 2: Are we stupid for thinking that? Too attached? Are we

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Speaker 1: Probably it's probably not really a fair conversation. But also

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Speaker 1: at the same time, we know, we know how important

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, But even when all those things were happening,

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Speaker 2: Like every philosophy, everything movement wise, everything swinging miss and

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Speaker 2: that is the same thing that just happened with Devin Williams.

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Speaker 2: Then he went to ninety six and this year went

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Speaker 2: another team make a steal would be like, Wow, what

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Speaker 2: a fun risk to take. Yeah, of course, and now

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Speaker 2: we're making this deal. We're like, oh, we're taking the risk.

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Speaker 2: You're like, it's kind of like the Dylan C's picture contract. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: It's one of those where again I'll say one more time,

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Speaker 1: this can't be the only one, because then I don't

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Speaker 2: Eh.

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Speaker 1: If this is in addition to Edwin Diaz or in

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Speaker 1: addition to maybe now we're more involved in some other

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Speaker 2: About, that could be good.

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Speaker 1: Okay, great, But if Devin Williams is the closer, and

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Speaker 1: that's kind of like that's our best arm in the

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Speaker 2: Twenty twenty sixth season, don't don't love it. Don't love it, No,

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Speaker 1: That being said, And David Stearns, we trust I trust them,

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Speaker 1: I trust me. He's gonna get the job done.

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Speaker 2: And still like Devin Williams, like Devin won. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: like Devin Williams. Love Devin Williams. Like the contract scary,

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Speaker 2: It's just it's scary.

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Speaker 1: It's scary when you think the guy that was never

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Speaker 2: Would you push them chips into the table like this

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Speaker 2: it's like, all right, now you gotta start paying attention,

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Speaker 2: like you tighten up a little bit.

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Speaker 1: This is like, this is like for gamblers out there,

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Speaker 1: like playing blackjack. You get the you get the split,

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Speaker 1: and then it gives you another eight on top of rate.

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Speaker 1: You have to split again. Like, this is why we gamble.

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Speaker 1: This is why we play the game. You don't play

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Speaker 1: to just have to stick around the zero. You try

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Speaker 1: and make a big move here.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of also like Texas, hold them. If you're

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Speaker 2: bluffing and you put a big bet, everyone falls, one

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Speaker 2: person stays in and they hit you back. You're like,

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Speaker 2: all right, let's let's play ball. Let's play some ball.

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Speaker 2: This is a play this This is a playball move.

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Speaker 2: This is a playball move.

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Speaker 1: James said it it's gonna be a crazy week and

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