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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in. It is the Tuesday edition

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Speaker 1: of The Clay Travison Buck Sexton Show, and we are

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Speaker 1: tap dancing a little bit after a monster win that

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Speaker 1: came down at the end of yesterday show. Elon Musk

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Speaker 1: has officially bought Twitter, and almost immediately Buck and I

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Speaker 1: have seen our overall follower counts skyrocket up by over

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Speaker 1: ten thousand each. And you may not think that's a

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Speaker 1: very big deal, but both of us see this as

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Speaker 1: a fairly consequential outcome that is unlikely to be occurring

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Speaker 1: in a world where Elon Musk hasn't bought Twitter. We're

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Speaker 1: going to dive into the overall importance of what Elon

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Speaker 1: Musk represents here. Also federal judge saying that Title forty

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Speaker 1: two cannot be ended on May twenty third. We will

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Speaker 1: discuss some of that as the border crisis continues to

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Speaker 1: reach a crescendo. Will also continue to discuss Biden's falling

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Speaker 1: poll numbers and what they may represent. We've got a

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Speaker 1: couple of great guests, Douglas Murray and Miranda Divine going

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Speaker 1: to be with us in the third hour. But right

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Speaker 1: off the top here thesis statement from me. I really

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Speaker 1: believe that Elon Musk buying Twitter is the most significant

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Speaker 1: thing that has occurred from a First Amendment perspective in

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Speaker 1: the twenty first century. I believe it is going to

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Speaker 1: change things in a seismic way in terms of our discussion,

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Speaker 1: in terms of the power that Facebook and Instagram and

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Speaker 1: TikTok and YouTube and all of these different platforms, Google, Apple,

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Speaker 1: all of them are now going to have of some

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Speaker 1: eyesight on the choices that they are making because I

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Speaker 1: believe Elon Musk is going to publicize a lot of

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Speaker 1: the internal data at Twitter, which will give us optics

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Speaker 1: on many other sites as it pertains to their algorithms.

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Speaker 1: But let's start here, buck, When was the last time

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Speaker 1: that you added over ten thousand Twitter followers in a day?

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Speaker 1: Has it ever happened that you can remember in the

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Speaker 1: time that you've been on It would have to be

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Speaker 1: back in the day of Trump retweets. So we're going

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Speaker 1: back years and I don't even think that I don't

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Speaker 1: even think that did it. I think maybe a couple

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Speaker 1: thousand from the Trump retweet era. But to see for

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Speaker 1: those who are listening, it's like, and I know so

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Speaker 1: many of you aren't on Twitter, so she's like, why

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Speaker 1: is this such a big deal? For This is where

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Speaker 1: so many ideas start and then gain support and then

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Speaker 1: filter into the rest of the information page. Your front

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Speaker 1: page comes from Twitter. If you read a newspaper, it

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Speaker 1: is in many ways coming through the Twitter marketplace of ideas.

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Speaker 1: If you watch a show on television, it is in

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Speaker 1: many ways no matter where, it is being distilled through

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Speaker 1: the prism of Twitter. For people out there who are

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Speaker 1: not active, that is kind of a rough approximation of

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Speaker 1: what's going on on a day to day basis. And

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Speaker 1: so now what we're seeing is that people like Clay

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Speaker 1: and me who have been saying for years this is rigged.

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Speaker 1: They're shutting things down, they're shenanigans going on. They're lying.

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Speaker 1: Twitter was lying to the American people for years about

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Speaker 1: not actually having political censorship underway, just about safety. You know,

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Speaker 1: you know this daily mail piece. I see this person

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Speaker 1: who is Twitter's lead for Global curation standards, who's very

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Speaker 1: upset about this global curation standards. I didn't even know

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Speaker 1: that was a job title they had there. This is

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Speaker 1: actually Orwellian people abuse that term all the time. But

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Speaker 1: the notion that there should be a person who is curated,

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Speaker 1: which is just another way of saying imposing their own

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Speaker 1: beliefs and editing, picking, picking and choosing ideas, personalities, concepts,

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Speaker 1: political movements on a global scale for everybody to see

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Speaker 1: on this platform just goes to show you like, who

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Speaker 1: is this person? What? What are her beliefs? Why do

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Speaker 1: we have to be subjected to them? And for people

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Speaker 1: say it's oh, it's a private first of all, as

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Speaker 1: we all know it is. It's a private company now.

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Speaker 1: It was a public company before, not a state enterprise,

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Speaker 1: but it's a private company about to be and I

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Speaker 1: guess it can do what it wants. But Clay, they've

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Speaker 1: built this platform with the promise that it would be

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Speaker 1: free speech and they've lied to people. That's what they

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Speaker 1: decided to weaponize, an open free speech platform all across

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Speaker 1: about what's really going on. They keep saying it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be They're saying Elon Musk is a child of apartheid

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Speaker 1: this stuff. The things that upset the right that we

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Speaker 1: can't say on Twitter are things like masks don't work,

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's very there's very straightforward rules that we

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Speaker 1: you're in a good spot when the people who are

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Speaker 1: the angry ones are the angry ones. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: I put up ten suggestions for Elon Musk, I just

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Speaker 1: clicked publish right before we set down for this show.

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Speaker 1: I spend a lot of time on Twitter, way too much,

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Speaker 1: to be honest. I probably should have spent more time

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Speaker 1: on Instagram and YouTube and Facebook because they're wildly more popular.

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Speaker 1: But my media he basically came to exist in many

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Speaker 1: ways through Twitter, and so I'm obligated to be sharing

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Speaker 1: stuff all day long, as you know Buck. Oh yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: my man Clay tweets a lot folks. Does missus tell

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Speaker 1: the truth. Does missus Travis ever take the phone away

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Speaker 1: at the dinner table and say, Clay, that's enough tweeting,

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Speaker 1: I Buck, this is the truth. Do you know? Do

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Speaker 1: you ever look at your iPhone and see how much

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Speaker 1: time you spend on your phone? I try not because

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Speaker 1: it's depressing. I spend eight hours a day on my phone. Wow. Now,

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Speaker 1: partly that's when we're here doing the show, Like I'm scrolling.

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Speaker 1: You're scrolling, like for three hours to see what the

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Speaker 1: vast majority of my time is on Twitter. So I

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Speaker 1: have been initially wildly enthusiastic about the future of Twitter

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Speaker 1: a decade ago. I was before the censor culture took over,

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Speaker 1: all in on Twitter. I think Elon Musk can rescue it.

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Speaker 1: But let's listen to First of all, this is ari

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Speaker 1: Ari Melber. He's on MSNBC. I don't know him at all.

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Speaker 1: But I want you to listen to him. This feels

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Speaker 1: like satire because he's suddenly realizing weight if Elon Musk

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Speaker 1: what you see and don't see. And the lack of

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Speaker 1: awareness from this in min MSNBC opinionist is staggering because

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Speaker 1: many of you out there gonna say, yeah, that's what's

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Speaker 1: been going on for years, you nincompoop. Listen. You own

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Speaker 1: all of Twitter or Facebook or what have you. You

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Speaker 1: don't have to explain yourself. You don't even have to

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Speaker 1: be transparent. You could secretly ban one party's candidate or

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Speaker 1: after the election. Alon must says this is all to

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Speaker 1: help people, because he is just stay free speech, philosophically clear,

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Speaker 1: open minded Helper Clay. Can I just say, I wonder

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Speaker 1: if this mister Melburg is aware of the fact that

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Speaker 1: Twitter banned a sitting United States president. The actual President

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Speaker 1: of the United States, Donald J. Trump, was booted from

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Speaker 1: this platform. He had over eighty million followers something like that,

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Speaker 1: and they kicked off the actual leader of the free world. Okay,

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Speaker 1: and I said it at the time. That was a

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Speaker 1: laptop because that story is ongoing, really, but when they

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Speaker 1: it interesting they like their social media platforms like they

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Speaker 1: like their elections. Clay rig and here, why thank you?

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Speaker 1: Here we are seeing that they went to that length

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Speaker 1: up like it's like a DNC propaganda operation. Now doesn't

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Speaker 1: what the sort of low IQ lib crowd will say, Oh,

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Speaker 1: but you and Clay are on Twitter. Yeah, but in

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Speaker 1: key moments on lockdowns, on masks, on election integrity, on

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Speaker 1: Hunter Biden laptop, they shut that stuff down. If we

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Speaker 1: were totally all booted off of Twitter, it wouldn't a

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Speaker 1: propaganda has to be believable enough, this is whatever, and

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Speaker 1: has to understand they only have to really push down

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Speaker 1: to be across the board on everything. Yeah, we say,

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden, is you know, look Seen Island absurd? Because

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Speaker 1: the transgender agenda, for example, and you know sports and

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Speaker 1: dead naming and all these different things, that's where they

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Speaker 1: CNN was also really unhappy about suddenly Elon Musk buying

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Speaker 1: Twitter and our Boy Brian Stelter, he was really upset

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Speaker 1: by this, and in fact, he was saying, do you

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Speaker 1: want to go to a party with total I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: do you want to go to a party with total freedom? Yeah? Actually,

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Speaker 1: don't like to be that guy. But let's listen to

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Speaker 1: his huge megaphone. This would be a plus for Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: You could also make the case that Donald Trump suddenly

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Speaker 1: why he was, why he lost his election, and why

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Speaker 1: he's why he was booted from office. So look who knows?

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Speaker 1: I think that's a that's a That's an example of

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Speaker 1: a broader question for Twitter, which is if you can

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Speaker 1: invite it to something where there are no rules, where

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Speaker 1: there is total freedom forever everybody, do you actually want

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Speaker 1: Can I just ask you, Clay, do you want to

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Speaker 1: from kegs with their beautiful whipid without hall, monitors president

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Speaker 1: and where people are danzig rhythmic lead a loud music.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to go to that party? I think

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Speaker 1: you do. Yes. Some of the girls might not wear

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Speaker 1: done their hair. They might be good. What gig is

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Speaker 1: that the kind of party that you want to go to?

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Speaker 1: Brian Stelter doesn't want to go to that party. I

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Speaker 1: just I mean, it's an easy joke to make. But

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Speaker 1: first of all, there are rules. Like I haven't ever

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Speaker 1: been to a party where you just walk in and

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Speaker 1: Just is it's going to be a five alarm fire

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Speaker 1: at the border, and the data reflects that even Democrats

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Speaker 1: don't agree with Joe Biden on the border. The White

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Speaker 1: Title forty two can never be lifted. It's just the process, right.

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Speaker 1: The Title forty two is an emergency measure. So what

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Speaker 1: this is actually showing everyone is that there's no plan

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Speaker 1: at some point, Title forty two actually does need to

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Speaker 1: now they get that they've been able to say, we

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Speaker 1: Be the moment that goes away, they're going to just

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Speaker 1: have to have border patrol members saying, you know, detaining

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Speaker 1: people and saying you're going back. It's not about COVID,

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Speaker 1: it's not about CDC authority. You're going back, and they

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Speaker 1: don't want that. And the data is overwhelming that independent

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Speaker 1: voters by massiveness US disagree with what Joe Biden is saying.

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Speaker 1: The data is reflective that Republicans certainly disagree with everything

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Speaker 1: Of all the issues that Joe Biden is facing right now,

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Speaker 1: But they will never do that. That would their base

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Speaker 1: an hour number three. Tuesday Ed should play Travis buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show. I hope all of you are having a

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Speaker 1: fantastic time so far in the week. We certainly are celebrating,

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Speaker 1: talking a lot about Elon Musk buying Twitter, and what's

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Speaker 1: going on at the border, the disaster as the question

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Speaker 1: of whether Title forty two will officially be repealed or

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Speaker 1: not now in the courts, but already a surge of

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Speaker 1: this country. And I believe we are scheduled to be

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Speaker 1: joined by Douglas Murray and Miranda Divine here in the

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Speaker 1: third hour of the program. Do we have Douglas Murray

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Speaker 1: with us right now? Miranda? Now, Miranda is up first. Ah, Yes,

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Speaker 1: Miranda Divine, who deserves multiple different Pulitzer Prizes for her

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Speaker 1: work with The New York Post in particular on the

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Speaker 1: Hunter Biden investigation. And Miranda, appreciate you joining us always fantastic.

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Speaker 1: I want to start with this question, what do you

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Speaker 1: think the situation will be with Twitter now with Elon Musk.

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Speaker 1: Do you have any indication, for instance, what his thoughts

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Speaker 1: were on Twitter banning the sharing of your New York

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Speaker 1: Post story from October of twenty twenty about Hunter Biden

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Speaker 1: the laptop, the implications for Joe Biden, any sense of

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Speaker 1: whether he at that time recognized that as being something

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Speaker 1: that was the wrong choice by Twitter. Any idea from

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Speaker 1: your perspective what this might mean going forward for stories

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Speaker 1: such as yours high clan buck look nothing direct, But

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Speaker 1: what we do know is that a Elon Musk is

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Speaker 1: for free speech, so therefore would automatically be against the

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Speaker 1: censoring of the New York Post story. And b we

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Speaker 1: know that he has been talking and is friendly with

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Speaker 1: Jack Dorsey, the founder and originator of Twitter, who has

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Speaker 1: said in recent times that the biggest dysfunction at the

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Speaker 1: company was the board, and the board is the one

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Speaker 1: that was implacably opposed to Elon Musk buying in and

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Speaker 1: was talking about a poison pill, etc. They've now buckled

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Speaker 1: and realized the reality. And I think it's all good.

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Speaker 1: You just see the meltdown there from Twitter employees, from lefties,

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Speaker 1: from Democrats, just you know, screeching about the idea that somehow,

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Speaker 1: if Elon Musk comes on board, that he's going to

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Speaker 1: censor people do exactly what Twitter has been doing. So

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Speaker 1: they're just projecting they have treated and it's so obvious

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Speaker 1: now they have treated Twitter and to some extent, Facebook

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Speaker 1: as their own personal playthings as their way to censor

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Speaker 1: their ideological opponents and promote their own lives. Miranda, thanks

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Speaker 1: for joining us, as always did anyone after that. That incident,

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Speaker 1: which I think very much led in the same mentality

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Speaker 1: that had the suppression of the New York Post story

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Speaker 1: about hunter Byton's laptop, then led to the actual ejection

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Speaker 1: from Twitter of a sitting president of the United States.

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Speaker 1: Should be noted Facebook also went along with the suppression.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't just Twitter right before, right before the election.

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Speaker 1: I was just wondering if that company, if Twitter specifically

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Speaker 1: or Facebook, actually decided to reach out and try to

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Speaker 1: be you know, this is pre elon buying, And I

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Speaker 1: just want to note did they ever apologize? Did they say, hey,

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Speaker 1: we're sorry that you guys broke a big story and

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Speaker 1: that we crushed it because we didn't like what it

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Speaker 1: was telling the voting public, not even the slightest, you know,

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Speaker 1: at least Jack Dorsey, when he was hauled before one

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Speaker 1: of those stupid zooms Senate inquiries, said well, look, it

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Speaker 1: was a mistake. We shouldn't have locked the New York

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Speaker 1: Post account for two weeks before the election. Nothing from Facebook,

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Speaker 1: and if anything. I think Facebook was the in skater

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Speaker 1: at that censorship, because you had a former Democrat employee

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Speaker 1: announced was the first to announce this throttling of the

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Speaker 1: story just a few hours after it went live in

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Speaker 1: October twenty twenty, and so you feel like behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes there was some really desperate coordination going on, coordinated

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Speaker 1: by the Democrats with their pals in big tech, and

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Speaker 1: they did it very quickly. And then of course it

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Speaker 1: went on to their pals in the intelligence community, where

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Speaker 1: you saw John Brennan and the rest Leon Panetta and

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Speaker 1: so on. Those fifty one former intelligence officials came out

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Speaker 1: five days after our story with that completely bogus letter

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Speaker 1: saying that the laptop was Russian disinformation, but that served

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Speaker 1: as a figley for the rest of the media to

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Speaker 1: ignore the story before the election. We're talking to Miranda Divine,

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Speaker 1: who deserves multiple politics for the work she did on

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Speaker 1: the Hunter bidens a laptop and its connection to Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: And I'm curious we now know, all right from your

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Speaker 1: reporting that at least one of Joe Biden's at least

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Speaker 1: one of Hunter Biden's business associates visited the White House.

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Speaker 1: I believe the number was nineteen times. What can you

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Speaker 1: tell us about that relationship, those visits and what it

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Speaker 1: might mean about Joe Biden's knowledge and relationship with at

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Speaker 1: least one of Hunter Biden's business associates. Well, we've counted now,

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Speaker 1: I think it's up to two dozen of those visits,

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Speaker 1: and you know, one of them was specifically with Joe Biden,

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Speaker 1: but the others probably he met Joe Biden because they

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Speaker 1: were with his senior officials or basically clerical assistance, often

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Speaker 1: people assigned in by somebody other than the person that

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Speaker 1: they're meeting. And we know that twice he went to

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Speaker 1: visit Street Steve Ricchetti, who was Joe Biden's chief of staff.

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Speaker 1: He also had one meeting with Joe Biden's staff. What

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Speaker 1: it tells you is that Hunter Biden's business was a

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Speaker 1: family business. It was a Biden family business, and that

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Speaker 1: was doing the influence peddling overseas and ranking in tens

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Speaker 1: of millions of dollars from China and Russia and Romania

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Speaker 1: and Ukraine and Kazakhstan, you name it. And that money

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Speaker 1: was flushing through the Hunter Biden accounts, and Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: was getting not only having some of his bills paid

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Speaker 1: by his son Hunter, but also his Hunter senior business partner,

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Speaker 1: Eric Schwerin, who was visiting Joe at the White House,

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Speaker 1: also was doing Joe's tax returns. He was involved in

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Speaker 1: Joe's mortgage. He also had signature privileges over one of

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Speaker 1: the accounts that Joe Biden and Hunter Biden shared. There

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Speaker 1: was a tax check that Eric Schwaren told Hunter that

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Speaker 1: he was going to deposit that belonged to Joe deposit

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Speaker 1: into their shared account, and then he was going to

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Speaker 1: write another check for Hunter from that account. So there

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Speaker 1: it's a very incestuous situation. This is an adult fifty

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Speaker 1: two years old. He and his father had a lot

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Speaker 1: of business in common. And Joe Biden also met multiple

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Speaker 1: of Hunter's overseas business partners. He met them overseas like

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Speaker 1: in Beijing, he also met them in Washington, invited them

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Speaker 1: to his home at the Naval Observatory, the Vice Presidential residents,

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Speaker 1: dinners at Cafe Milano, which is a Georgetown institutions. Being

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Speaker 1: a Miranda divine author of laptop from Hell, which Clain

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Speaker 1: I highly recommend to all of you listening. Miranda. We

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Speaker 1: know there's this federal investigation of Hunter Biden underway by

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Speaker 1: the US Attorney in Delaware. Do we have some sense?

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Speaker 1: To me? And I know there's a lot of secrecy

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Speaker 1: and grand jury proceedings things like that aren't able to

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Speaker 1: be readily reported on, But do we have some sense

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Speaker 1: of what are they still looking for? I mean, one

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Speaker 1: of the questions that I have going through all this is,

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Speaker 1: you know, there was a lot of money that was

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Speaker 1: slashing around. We know that apparently Hunter Biden didn't declare

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Speaker 1: some of it in terms of IRS and the laws

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Speaker 1: around that. We know we didn't register as a foreign agent.

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Speaker 1: What are we still what do we think they're trying

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Speaker 1: to find out? And what are you still trying to

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Speaker 1: find out on the outside as a journalist? Well, you're right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is not a static story. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot going on. As the grand jury continues its deliberations.

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Speaker 1: You also have people's lips for starting to be loosened.

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Speaker 1: You know those people. There are a lot of people

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Speaker 1: that knew what Hunter Biden was up to, how it

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Speaker 1: was a family business, and how Joe was involved. So far, really,

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Speaker 1: only Tony Bobolynski, one of the former partners, has spoken,

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Speaker 1: but there are many others who know a lot, and

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Speaker 1: we know that some of them have already talked to

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Speaker 1: the grand jury. They're testified there. We know that at

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Speaker 1: least two of us former lovers, including his baby mama

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Speaker 1: London Roberts, have testified, and we know that the grand

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Speaker 1: jury is asking questions like who is the big guy,

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Speaker 1: and the big guy being Joe Biden. That's what Tony

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Speaker 1: bob Lynsky tells us, and that's what you can tell

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Speaker 1: from reading the laptop and Bobolynsky's WhatsApp messages with Hunter

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Speaker 1: and Jim Biden. The big guy was one of the

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Speaker 1: names that they all used as a sort of a code,

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Speaker 1: so Joe Biden. They also Hunter called him my chairman,

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Speaker 1: and so there's a lot of involvement there with Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: This family influenced peddling scheme was you know it was

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Speaker 1: It was orchestrated by Joe. Joe was intimately involved with it.

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Speaker 1: He was he had been doing this since his earliest

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Speaker 1: it when he became vice president. The money just got

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Speaker 1: so much more because you had countries like China and

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Speaker 1: in the hope of a quid pro quote. We're talking

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Speaker 1: to Miranda Divine with the New York Post time frame wise,

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Speaker 1: do we have any sense, Miranda, based on this grand

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Speaker 1: try not to bring out October surprises. I would be

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Speaker 1: if they're going to bring charges in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 1: Do we have any sense if this grand jury is

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Speaker 1: as early as later this month. They seem to have

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Speaker 1: then rest on the desk of Merritt Garland or probably

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Speaker 1: And you know, I think that it would be unwise

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Speaker 1: board meeting. So I would expect that he will just allow,

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Speaker 1: chips for where they may. Interesting that we've just had

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden issue his first pardons quite early on in

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Speaker 1: his presidency, so maybe he's just getting his pardon muscles

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Speaker 1: Bucks excent on whether Hunter's actually going to face charges.

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Speaker 1: But Miranda, great work as a ways, and people should

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Speaker 1: go check out not only your latest at the New

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Speaker 1: York Past, but also Laptop from Hell the book. Thanks

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Speaker 1: so much, Miranda. Thanks a look, guys, well, you know, Buck,

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Speaker 1: where you're joined now by Douglas Murray, Associate editor of

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Speaker 1: the Spectator and author of the new book The War

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Speaker 1: on the West. And Douglas We've been talking a lot

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Speaker 1: about potential impacts of evon Musk buying Twitter, but I'm

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Speaker 1: curious in your analysis. When did this war on the

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Speaker 1: West really start? Is there a moment in time when

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Speaker 1: you can point to it and say this was the

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Speaker 1: pivot point, This is when this idea sort of became ascendant,

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Speaker 1: that the West was more of a problem than it

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Speaker 1: was something to be praised. Well, it's great to be

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Speaker 1: with you. I think there have been a number of moments,

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Speaker 1: but one of them is just the post colonial period,

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Speaker 1: the period since the country like Great Britain where I

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Speaker 1: was born myself, stopped having colonies and independence came to

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Speaker 1: these countries. There started a movement of post colonialism that

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Speaker 1: in large parts sort of saw itself as a rejection

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Speaker 1: of the West. And there are people in the West

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Speaker 1: who took part in the back themselves, the ninety sixties generation,

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Speaker 1: ninety sixty eighth generation, then the nineteen seventies who started

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Speaker 1: an American academics playing around with these things we now

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Speaker 1: call CRT and much more. And then it's accelerates and accelerates.

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Speaker 1: I say in my book, you know, you can sometimes

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Speaker 1: over emphasize what happens on campuses, but so I like

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Speaker 1: to say, well, what's happening in the wider culture as well,

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Speaker 1: And think back twenty years ago or so when Michael

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Speaker 1: Moore published his book Stupid White Men and has a

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Speaker 1: chapter saying that if you look at any problem in

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Speaker 1: world history, it's a white person that's behind it. This

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Speaker 1: doest be normalized in the dialogue. Stuts be normalized in

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Speaker 1: the conversation. You have people starting slowly, to begin slowly

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Speaker 1: and then fast pulling down all of the heroes of

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Speaker 1: countries like ours. In Great Britain, Churchill turns from a

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Speaker 1: national hero to a national demon, where his statue is

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Speaker 1: unsafe to even have out in Parliament Square in Westminster

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Speaker 1: because people assault it because he's guilty of living in

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Speaker 1: the nineteenth century and having had nineteenth century thought. And

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Speaker 1: then in America, the war begins not just on white

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Speaker 1: people in America, but specifically on every single hero of

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Speaker 1: the American Republic, every one of the founding fathers. Then

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Speaker 1: it speeds up, and it speeds up, and it's not

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Speaker 1: just the people on the South in the Civil War,

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Speaker 1: but even the North. Suddenly Abraham Lincoln not a hero

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Speaker 1: of American history, but a great villain. You have the

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Speaker 1: whole founding date of America moved by the New York Times,

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Speaker 1: by the Paper of Record to sixteen nineteen, so that

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Speaker 1: everything in American history is seen in a negative, hostile life.

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Speaker 1: So this country of America, the greatest experiment on earth,

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Speaker 1: is not a story of triumph that you want to

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Speaker 1: aspire to, but a story of racism, slavery, and just

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Speaker 1: embarrassment and shame that has been growing for decades, and

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Speaker 1: in the last couple of years it's just gone on

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Speaker 1: heat and it's smashed through every single thing in the culture. Douglas,

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Speaker 1: it's buck. You know. One of the things that you

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Speaker 1: point out of the book I think is so interesting

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Speaker 1: is there are these very rapidly evolving and obviously very

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Speaker 1: hypocritical standards that they'll use for people in the past

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Speaker 1: being judged by the leftist ideology of the moment, but

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Speaker 1: they don't do this to leftists in the past. You

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Speaker 1: point out that Marks Karl Marx, whose work is full

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Speaker 1: of racial slurs and anti semitism, he gets a pass.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the repression and virulent anti gay actions of

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Speaker 1: even someone like a che Guevara, that they don't deal

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Speaker 1: with that. So it feels like they just weaponize this

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Speaker 1: fad of the moment against certain people in the past,

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Speaker 1: and to what end? I mean, what are they trying

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Speaker 1: to do? What are they trying to achieve with all this? Well,

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Speaker 1: you're you're quite right. I mean, I quote one of

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Speaker 1: Thomas Jefferson because of one excerpt from a letter of

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Speaker 1: Thomas Jefferson's that he totally misrepresents and as a result

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Speaker 1: of which labels Thomas Jefferson a racist. So I say, okay,

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Speaker 1: this about Karl Marx? And when since my book has

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Speaker 1: come out I've out today, They've been excerpts in recent weeks,

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Speaker 1: including this point about Karl Mark. I've had loads of

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Speaker 1: Marx was a man of his time, like Thomas Jefferson.

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Speaker 1: Then then then they say things like, we don't look

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Speaker 1: look to Mark solely for his economic theories. You think, Oh,

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Speaker 1: whereas of course everybody in modern America could only admire

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Speaker 1: Thomas Jefferson only because of his attitudes on race, of course,

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Speaker 1: not we admire Thomas Jefferson and the Founding Fathers because

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Speaker 1: they found in America. So these people keep demonstrating the

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Speaker 1: fact that they've rigged a game. They've rigged a game

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Speaker 1: which is anti Western, anti white, anti American in particular.

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Speaker 1: And you ask why they do it, I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: why they do it. They talk of this as if

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Speaker 1: It's revenge. The whole thing is revenge on America, revenge

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Speaker 1: on white people, revenge on the West. It is a

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Speaker 1: and I want to arm people with the facts. We

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Speaker 1: need to push this movement out of our lives. Do

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Speaker 1: you think we will win? I think it's a big question,

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Speaker 1: right because people look around many of our listeners and say,

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Speaker 1: seems lost control of our faculties. So will we win

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Speaker 1: this battle, and if so, how do we win this battle?

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Speaker 1: From your perspective? Well, you know, here is what white

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Speaker 1: we're born. We are born into guilt. Everyone else is

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Speaker 1: born into innocence. Nobody else has anything else to atone

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Speaker 1: our history is rotten. All of our heroes were scoundreled.

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Speaker 1: We have nothing to be proud of. We never did

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Speaker 1: anything good in the world. Everything we ever did was bad.

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Speaker 1: Our whole culture is rotten, racist, riven through with white supremacy.

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Speaker 1: Much more to the best thing we can do is

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Speaker 1: to be born, discover how guilty we are, and then

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Speaker 1: die as soon as possible. Now here's a proposal for you.

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Speaker 1: I think if you tried to do this, if you

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Speaker 1: tried to argue this and make people believe this from

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Speaker 1: a minority community, it wouldn't work. Who would want to

859
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Speaker 1: be told that the year upon year, for generation upon generation.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it would work with a minority. Here's

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Speaker 1: the thing. The race husters many of whom are white themselves.

862
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 1: Like Robindiangela. The race husters are trying to make a

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Speaker 1: majority population believe this about themselves, a majority population in

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Speaker 1: the United Kingdom, a majority population in the United States

865
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Speaker 1: of America. And I do not believe in the long

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Speaker 1: term that that can succeed what majority population would put

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Speaker 1: up with this for very long. You know, I believe

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Speaker 1: that most American people, like most other people in the

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Speaker 1: West and indeed in the rest of the world, wants

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Speaker 1: to think well of themselves, want to have justifiable pride

871
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Speaker 1: in the things they've done well. They don't want to

872
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: hate their forebears. We're only here because of our forebears,

873
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Speaker 1: you know. I quote branch Ricky said, one luck is

874
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Speaker 1: the residue of design. We in America are in the

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Speaker 1: luckiest damned country in the world, and we have the

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Speaker 1: evidence for it. It's the country that most people in

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Speaker 1: the world want to come to. Now. Is that simply

878
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 1: because of what we are now? No, it's because of

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Speaker 1: what we were. It's because of the people who came

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00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 1: before us. It's because of the generations who came before us.

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Speaker 1: It's because of the founding fathers, It's because of Lincoln.

882
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Speaker 1: It's because of all of the heroes of America. So

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Speaker 1: here's the thing. I think they have no chance, no

884
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: chance at all, these racists, these new races of persuading

885
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,479
Speaker 1: the American people in the Western public's as a whole

886
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: of this horrible, horrible anti white, anti Western, anti American

887
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Speaker 1: stuff unless they persuade us that their lies are true.

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Speaker 1: And my self appointed task, among other things in the

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00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,919
Speaker 1: Wall in the West is to show people, to give

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Speaker 1: people the ammunition to fight back against these people. Every

891
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: pound in America knows what it's like when their child

892
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 1: comes home and has imvibed this racist pap from the classroom,

893
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: all this stuff. They know what it's like. They know

894
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 1: what it's like when their kids returned from school and

895
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: have been told all these monstrous lies about American history.

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Speaker 1: We need to be armed to respond to this, and

897
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Speaker 1: I believe that if we are, there's no way that

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Speaker 1: the new race Huxters can win war on the West.

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Speaker 1: That is the book by Douglas Murray Douglas. Great to

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