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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. In this episode number two and

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Speaker 1: today in the show, we're diving into the story of

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Speaker 1: my very first hunt for desert white tails also known

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Speaker 1: as cou'se deer. All right, welcome to another episode of

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Speaker 1: the Wired to Hunting podcast, brought to you by Onyx

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Speaker 1: and uh we're here today. It's myself. We got my

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Speaker 1: buddy Andy May, and we got further and we're talking

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Speaker 1: desert white tails. I just got back from a Mexican

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Speaker 1: CU's deer hunt, a really cool hunt. I was out

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Speaker 1: there with the Meat Eater crew, and I thought a

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Speaker 1: good way to do this would be to have a

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Speaker 1: couple of people interview me, um, rather than me just

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Speaker 1: kind of tell a story. And Dan couldn't be here today,

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Speaker 1: so I knew that Furtz and Andy could fill in well, um,

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Speaker 1: And so you know, in a second, here, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: give them the keys and we're an turn around on

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Speaker 1: me and we'll kind of walk through this whole hunt.

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Speaker 1: What happened, What I learned from it. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe a few things that might be able to help

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Speaker 1: other people out there that want to try a CU's

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Speaker 1: deer hunt someday. Um and nice for those who aren't familiar,

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Speaker 1: Cuz deer are basically just white tailed deer that lived

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Speaker 1: down in the desert southwest um so a really really

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Speaker 1: cool critter. But we'll get more into that later. Before

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Speaker 1: we do that, though, I wanted to kinda shift gears

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Speaker 1: a tiny bit here for just like two minutes. I

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Speaker 1: had to make sure we cover this because further, last

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Speaker 1: time I was hanging out with you, you and Andy,

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Speaker 1: we're together. You went on the dough hunt um on

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Speaker 1: on one of the properties that I usually hunt. The

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Speaker 1: two of you guys went out there and had a

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Speaker 1: pretty cool night. And since you're both here, I figured

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Speaker 1: we should at least talk about that a little bit. Um.

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Speaker 1: You guys had a pretty good time, didn't you. Man,

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Speaker 1: that was a great time. That was a lot of

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Speaker 1: fun that night. I don't know if Andy had any

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Speaker 1: fun having to sit with me for a couple of hours,

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Speaker 1: but I'm not sure I had a good time. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was a good time. Yeah. So Josh, you were

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Speaker 1: you came to this property that I hunt, You're gonna

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Speaker 1: come out and try shoot a doll. And then Andy

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Speaker 1: happened to be stopping by my place to pick some

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Speaker 1: of worked out that Andy, you're gonna hunt somewhere else.

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Speaker 1: I was like, well, why don't you just go hunt

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Speaker 1: with Josh? And uh? So you guys, did, do you

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Speaker 1: want to walk us through that that hunt? Josh and Andy? Sure? Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean so I was actually out there the uh

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Speaker 1: the night before at your at the place you're hunting,

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Speaker 1: and unfortunately missed one. I'm not sure what happened, but

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Speaker 1: didn't come didn't come together for me. So I came

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Speaker 1: back the next night, just as I was about ready

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Speaker 1: worked out perfect to her. We went out and sat together,

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Speaker 1: and you know it was just what was that like

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Speaker 1: the seven or something like that, Andy, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: December there and the late late this season and I

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Speaker 1: the season, and um, luckily enough, it kind of all

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Speaker 1: to you know, prime time, like, all right, what are

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Speaker 1: we gonna do? We're gonna do a one two three shoot?

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Speaker 1: Are we gonna you know? Am I going to shoot

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Speaker 1: how did that all turn out? I gotta remember back

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Speaker 1: have been two two mature doughs that came out, and

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Speaker 1: with how we were set up in the blind, Andy

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Speaker 1: had a pretty good shot at them, but they were

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Speaker 1: it was kind of just a waiting game for them

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Speaker 1: And finally they did, and we were trying to communicate

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Speaker 1: back and forth, all right, should we do the one

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Speaker 1: I think I don't remember that thing. I just shoot

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Speaker 1: much what I did, and then you dropped yours. And

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Speaker 1: what was it maybe an hour later, Andy that your

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Speaker 1: dog came out. Yeah, yeah, Josh put a great shot

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Speaker 1: and she went, she went a little ways, but you know,

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Speaker 1: a pretty easy track job. So it was cool. It

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Speaker 1: that spot is particularly good for it. Yeah. It may

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Speaker 1: have been most stressed for Andy, but I'll tell you what,

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Speaker 1: it's pretty stressful for me sitting there. I was like, Man,

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting Andy here just too, just like gets it

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Speaker 1: it's pretty low stressed with marking the blind. I know

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Speaker 1: I'm not the only one who will make a dumb

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Speaker 1: mistake then, but when I'm when I'm with Andy is

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Speaker 1: he's automatic and uh and Andy, this is probably your

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Speaker 1: um and he he takeaways from that, oh man, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll take that as an invite to Nebraska next year

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Speaker 1: with you too. Then there you go. Yeah, that was

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Speaker 1: that was a heckular trip. Draft you would have you

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Speaker 1: would have enjoyed that. Yeah, alright, So speaking heck of

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Speaker 1: the trips, though we do, we probably should focus on

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Speaker 1: the main event here. Um, I just got back from

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Speaker 1: this couise dear hunt. It's quite a trip. Um, but

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Speaker 1: I wasn't surely what's the right way to to kind

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Speaker 1: of walk through the story should we talk to just

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Speaker 1: like kind of strategy focus? Like what did I learn?

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Speaker 1: What did I do? How did it go? Or was

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Speaker 1: just the story of the adventure most interesting? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to make these decisions, so I just

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Speaker 1: thought I would I would take my my host hat

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Speaker 1: off and give you guys the host seat and controls.

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Speaker 1: You guys are now the host of the wire Hunt podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm your guest. I'm here to talk about hunting desert

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Speaker 1: white tails further you can. Maybe I'll let you you

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Speaker 1: you kick things off if you want. Do you want

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Speaker 1: me to just talk about something from the beginning? Walk

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Speaker 1: you through the story? Do you have any initial questions?

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Speaker 1: What do you want to Well, yeah, I guess I'd

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Speaker 1: kind of like to know kind of what all led

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Speaker 1: up to the hunt, and like it just seems like

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Speaker 1: quite the undertaking to plan that type of a trip

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Speaker 1: um So I'd love to hear some of the just

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Speaker 1: smaller body body sized compared to deer up by us.

430
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 1: I mean like a buck down there could be like

431
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 1: eighty pounds, ninety pounds maybe something like that body size. Um.

432
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 1: And then of course the antlers are smaller too. They

433
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 1: are also much more adapted to living in mountainous environments.

434
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 1: They're moving up and down. I wouldn't say like rocky

435
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 1: craggy peaks in this area, but they certainly weren't afraid

436
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,399
Speaker 1: of some elevation. Um. And then I guess the one

437
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,880
Speaker 1: other interesting thing that Steve had talked about was this

438
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:36,639
Speaker 1: guy who had given the name Cou's Deer to these guys,

439
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 1: Elliott cous Um. But I mean, if I'm going to

440
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 1: get this story wrong, I think his name is Elliott Cows.

441
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 1: And so that's why some people believe they're supposed to

442
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 1: be called cows deer because this biologist or whatever it was. Um,

443
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,159
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna butcher this store, so just forget me.

444
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember this from a late night podcast

445
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 1: that we did with Steve Um. But I think his

446
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 1: name was Elliott Cows and that's how they originally got

447
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 1: their name. And then over the years, hunters kept calling

448
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 1: coups and so now there's this debate. Are the cou's

449
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,880
Speaker 1: deer cows? Deer supposedly the proper pronunciation of cows, but

450
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,439
Speaker 1: everybody says cous. So that's that's why they are what

451
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: they are. But but you know, probably one of the

452
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 1: biggest thing that took away from the whole trip was

453
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 1: the fact that these are still white tails. Like, they

454
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: looked a lot different in some ways. The terrain was

455
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 1: super different in a lot of ways. Um, but I

456
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 1: saw a lot of things that were really similar, like

457
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 1: the running behavior, this is the rut down there. Um.

458
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just like watching white tails up

459
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 1: by us, which was pretty cool to see bucks chasing

460
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 1: does the sea bucks making scrapes, sea bucks cruising down

461
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 1: a ridge line, just like you might see in Iowa

462
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 1: or here in Michigan or something. Um but I was

463
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 1: seeing it, you know, with cactus in the background. That

464
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 1: kind of contrast of the familiar in the in the

465
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: unknown was maybe one of my favorite things about the

466
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 1: whole deal. Did you get a sense of like, I know,

467
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: probably tough as you you know, hunted them for a

468
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: short time, But did you get a sense if you

469
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,959
Speaker 1: thought they were, you know, more weary than you know,

470
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 1: your typical Midwest white tail less weary or is it

471
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: more related to the terrain they live and it's more

472
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,360
Speaker 1: open they can see a long way. I think they

473
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: are much more dependent on site because of that kind

474
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 1: of terrain. So definitely site was the biggest thing. Like

475
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: we were just worried about being seen. Um. Hardly ever

476
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: thought about winding direction at all. Um. Now that was

477
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 1: probably partly because we were just so far almost all

478
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,640
Speaker 1: the time, even when you're you know, sneaking in your

479
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 1: long long distances still um, but you know, the guys

480
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: there were talking about how they're so weary and how

481
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 1: you know they are. There's a lot of predators coming after.

482
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: There's a lot of mountain lions, coyotes could definitely take

483
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: down a deer this size. Um. Supposedly there even have

484
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 1: been jaguars in the general area too, which is pretty cool.

485
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,880
Speaker 1: Um or a jaguar, I guess. Um, So a lot

486
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 1: of predators, But man, I still think that these deer

487
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: they're not getting messed with by humans anywhere near as

488
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 1: much as dear by us are. So so no, they don't.

489
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 1: I don't think they're nearly is is you know, on

490
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: a string like our deer are up here. Um, there's

491
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: there's cowboys, you know, riding around on horses, pushing cattle

492
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But I just I just don't

493
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: think it's like what we have here. So um, they

494
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 1: seem to be in, you know, a very natural behavior.

495
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 1: They seem to be just doing the thing, doing what

496
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: dear do. UM not nearly the level of I don't

497
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,880
Speaker 1: don't apprehension or or just general paranoia that I feel

498
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: like our deer have. Um. But you know, like you said,

499
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 1: it's hard to say just having watched them for seven

500
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 1: or eight days or whatever. But we got out there

501
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: that first morning, and then for the next seven days,

502
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: all I did was watched these deer. I mean literally

503
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: every day all day. You we drove in through the

504
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: ranch to an area where we want to hunt. We

505
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: hiked up to the top of a mountain or a

506
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 1: big glassing peak or something. You sit down, you put

507
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 1: a pad down on the ground, You pull out your

508
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 1: tripod and your buying binoculars, and then you would just glass.

509
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: You would just scour, going left or right or up

510
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 1: and down, over and over and over and over and

511
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 1: over again with other binoculars for for like ten hours.

512
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: Eleven hours just staring through your binoculars. A lot of

513
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 1: time watching these things. I guess it would be more

514
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 1: accurate to say I spent a lot of time watching

515
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 1: hillsides occasionally watching these things. Um, because that was Bryan.

516
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 1: Another thing that stood up was just how hard it

517
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 1: was to see these animals. Um. You'd think, with how

518
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: open the country looked, you'd be seeing deer all over

519
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: the place. But Cusier been called the great ghost. I've

520
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 1: been I've heard they've been called, and I think they

521
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: definitely lived up to that reputation. Um. You would you know,

522
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 1: you'd be scouring the hillside, you would maybe watched it

523
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 1: for two hours and there haven't been a single deer,

524
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, go over one more time,

525
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: and then boom, there's a deer right there, like out

526
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,239
Speaker 1: in the wide open. You can't believe you missed it

527
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: two seconds ago, but here's this deer. And within two seconds,

528
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 1: maybe you blink your eyes or you look over to

529
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: the person next to you and say, hey, I got one,

530
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: And then the next second you look back and the

531
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: deer's gone. I mean that happened to me so many times, Um,

532
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 1: I mean that very first morning, we went up to

533
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: the top of this mountain, did what I just said,

534
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 1: set up glass glass glass, And that whole first day

535
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: was basically what I just mentioned. You We would spot

536
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 1: a couple of deer, would see him for a few seconds,

537
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes maybe, and then they passed behind

538
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 1: one bush and then you never see him again. Um.

539
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: It was pretty bizarre. And that really was was kind

540
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: of how the first two days went. Um. Just a

541
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 1: big crew of us hiking out glassing a lot, seen

542
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: a few deer and then washing the same disappear um.

543
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: And we saw you know, not a huge number of

544
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: deer um, maybe maybe ten deer day, a couple of

545
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 1: bucks in that group a day spread out of the

546
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: course that ten hours um. But it was definitely you know,

547
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: it required a lot of patients, like a different kind

548
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 1: of patients than we have in a tree stand, I think, um,

549
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: because you know, when you're a tree stand waiting for

550
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: a white tail to come through like home, you know,

551
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: if they come, you feel pretty certain and you see

552
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: something and you feel pretty certain. In most cases you

553
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: can see something that's gonna be kind of close, like

554
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 1: you're gonna get to really experience it. Here you know,

555
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: you could search for seven hours and not see anything,

556
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: but if you did, it might be yards away and

557
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: you're just watching like a little speck on the other side.

558
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: So it was different for me, Like these these guests

559
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: had all done those kind of hunts. This is like

560
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: a little different, like a mental shift to be able

561
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: to like be in it in that kind of way. Um,

562
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: so that's something to keep mind Andy for. I know,

563
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: I know you've wanted to do a cous dere on someday. Um,

564
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: that would be one thing I would recommend to, like

565
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: anyone who's gonna try something like this is just be

566
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,719
Speaker 1: prepared for for a very different experience and go into it,

567
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: like realizing there has to be a tremendous amount of

568
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: patients associated with this kind of hunt and just willingness

569
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: to sit behind the glass and in search and search

570
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: and search. Yeah, how much how much time did you

571
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: guys spend Like like let's say you guys set up

572
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: you know, you find out, uh, you know, a high knob,

573
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: a good glassing point in your glass, and say you're

574
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: there for an hour or two hours? Like when did

575
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: those guys or when did you guys have the inclination

576
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: to move and change positions or did you just stay

577
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: patient and trust in the spot that you were in. Yeah,

578
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: that was one of the big questions I had coming

579
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: into the whole thing too, um And it seemed to

580
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: vary by person um. When we first got there, j Um,

581
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: the guy that j Honest had worked with the past,

582
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: he you know, took us out to the to the

583
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: property and drove up to one of the hillsides with

584
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: us and kind of pointed out some different areas that

585
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: he thought might be good. And his thoughts were, um,

586
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: you know, don't feel you know, don't get tied to

587
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: anyone area for too much, you know, move around to

588
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: find some deer um. But you know, cal Ryan definitely

589
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: was of the mind like he found a spot and

590
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: he found some deer and then he kind of wanted

591
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: to stick with it. And he has a ton of

592
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: experience with you know, hunting mule deer and sick of

593
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: deer and blacktail deer and all sort of stuff like that,

594
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: so he definitely has a system that works, and he

595
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: kind of found an area that he felt confident there's

596
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:25,959
Speaker 1: there word deer. He'd seen some and it's just a

597
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: matter of just eventually seeing the right one, And that

598
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: was kind of the That was kind of the trick,

599
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: was that you could watch a hillside for hours and

600
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,959
Speaker 1: not see anything. But you know, the guys that had

601
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: hunted here before in different places in Mexico always said,

602
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: there's deer here, Like they're there, you just can't see them.

603
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: They're so small, they're so well hidden into these hillsides,

604
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: these little juniper bushes and little trees and scrub oaks

605
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: and stuff. All you need is the deer to take

606
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: two steps and all of a sudden you realize that

607
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: they're so I think we're constantly dealing with that bouncing

608
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: at like do we bounce around from place to place

609
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,959
Speaker 1: or do we just sit here long enough and then

610
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: wait till one steps out? Um? For me, I found

611
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: myself like wanting to move to different places just because

612
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: I needed the change of scenery. Um. But you know, Steve,

613
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: Steve and Janice and me kind of were on like

614
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: a half a day kind of system. In most cases,

615
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: we usually kind of stuck it out in the same

616
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: general region for two or three hours and then maybe

617
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: just move over one little knob or look at the

618
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: other side of the ridge for the next couple of

619
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: hours and then by the time afternoon rolled around, if

620
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: nothing had been going then we would shift. Um, But

621
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: definitely as the trip progressed, as the as the week progressed,

622
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: we started kind of zero in. Like we found a

623
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: few zones where we started having some confidence that there

624
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: were deer and they were going to be dear. And

625
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: once we had that zone in mind, then we did

626
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: stick around in some some certain spots for for a

627
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: little bit longer. Um. I don't know if we ever

628
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: did figure out what the right answer was, but I

629
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: think if anything, confidence has something to do with it. Um.

630
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: You know, no different than when you know, any of

631
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: us go out and hunt a spot during the rut

632
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: or something. If you feel confident in why you're there

633
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: and what's going on, it feels a whole lot better

634
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: sitting there all day, you don't mind it. But if

635
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: you're really uneasy about the decision you made or you

636
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: don't have that confidence, um, you know, it's a whole

637
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: lot harder. So that proved to be true here too. Yeah,

638
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: that was one of the things that I struggled with

639
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: myself when I was hunting mule deer in Wyoming, just

640
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: how long to give each glassing position. And I think

641
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: I was probably, like you, not quite as patient as yeah,

642
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: not quite as patient as I should have been. You know,

643
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: in a lot of instances, I kept wanting to, you know,

644
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: see the next canyon, and you know, I'm sure I

645
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: missed some deer doing that. Yeah, it's kind of funny,

646
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: like you hear like Western guys talk about white tail

647
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: hunters sitting in tree stands, like, oh, I don't know

648
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: how you can do that. That's gonna be so were

649
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: sitting in a tree all day. I could never do it, um,

650
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: And that's what you and me do all the time.

651
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: But then when I go out west and I'm sitting

652
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: on a hillside for a while, I get impatient, you know,

653
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: after a few hours, and I think it's I think

654
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:14,959
Speaker 1: it's probably just because I know I can move, Like

655
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: the possibility is there to move while sitting in a tree.

656
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: You just know you're locked there and you're you're gonna

657
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: stick it out for however long you decided to um.

658
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: But for whatever reason, it definitely definitely was different from me.

659
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: I definitely had this wander lust um boiling up in

660
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: me early on. And uh, yeah, it's kind of funny

661
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: those first two days it was that kind of situation

662
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: where sat most of the morning one spot mostly even

663
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: another spot glass glass glass soft you you dear. Um.

664
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: The third morning, though, we had up to another hillside

665
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: glass glass glass. I spot a pretty nice buck, thinking

666
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: he might be a shooter. He goes over the hill. Um,

667
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: decide we're not gonna go because it's like a mile away.

668
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: Keep lasting. Maybe an hour later we spot some deer

669
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: on this other ridge not too far away now I

670
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: think a thousand yards away, and UM, glass up another

671
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 1: nice buck and I'm like, man, that's that's probably that's

672
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: probably a shooter. And one that was one of the

673
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: hard things leading into this was knowing how to determine, like,

674
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: what's what's the shooter buck here in this area? Um,

675
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: because these deer are so much smaller than than a

676
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: lot of like mature white tails would be elsewhere. But

677
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: what was kind of easy for me was that a decent,

678
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: a good cuse deer buck is kind of the equivalent

679
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: to like the buck in Michigan that guys would shoot.

680
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: So I just said, like, if somebody in Michigan would

681
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 1: shoot that deer, it's probably a shooter here. So basically

682
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: anything that was like ninety inches or bigger. Maybe it

683
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,720
Speaker 1: was like, okay, that's that's probably one that we should chase. UM.

684
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: So we saw a deer kind of like that, I

685
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: don't know, nine hundred inches, like it's just a nice

686
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: solid eight pointer. Um. And that's when I got to

687
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: enjoy that. My wanderlust gotta come out. Then, because we

688
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: saw this deer, I decided the shooter and then that's

689
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: when I got to actually stock and move. So me

690
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: and Janice and Seth took off after this deer. So

691
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: Janice was running the main camera, Seth was running what

692
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: they called the long lens camera, like a big zoom

693
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 1: in camera. UM. And then I was hunting. Steve stayed

694
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,439
Speaker 1: up on the ridge to glass from his position and

695
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: um if if I got down to the bottomless ridge,

696
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:30,959
Speaker 1: and I looked back at him and in the deer

697
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: and moved somewhere. He was gonna wave an orange bandana

698
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: at me to kind of indicate where that deer went. Um.

699
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: And so I just kind of ran down this big

700
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 1: hillside all the way down to the bottom. There was

701
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: a little creek drainage. Follow this creek drainage and in

702
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: the bottom of the valley separating the ridge we were

703
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 1: sitting on from the ridge where this buck was. There

704
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: was a little knob um kind of like a mini

705
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: ridge that maybe went up one third as high as

706
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 1: the others, and it kind of was was perfectly position

707
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 1: to put ourselves within range of that deer. So to

708
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: make this as fast as possible, snuck up to the

709
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,959
Speaker 1: top of this rise. Didn't see anything. We thought maybe

710
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: the deer had gone lower down the ridge that we've

711
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: We've seen this one tree with a white spot on it,

712
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: and that was the last spot we saw this buck.

713
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 1: And from our position, I could just see that white tree.

714
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: But if the deer had gone any far farther beneath it,

715
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: we wouldn't have been in sight. So we belly crawled

716
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: another like seventy yards, well, we kind of stalked in

717
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 1: on foot, and then Bailly crawled to this final little

718
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: lip and uh. And then from that point I could

719
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: see this dough up there, watching the dough, and then

720
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: I see a buck. Glass at the buck, and I

721
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: see that he's wide, but then he turns his head

722
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: and he's kind of got shorter times and I'm thinking, man,

723
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: is that the same one? Um? I don't know, but

724
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: it's got to be that same buck. There was no

725
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: other bucks in there with that dough. Um. He moves

726
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: into another spot. He's in this big, shady, brushy patch.

727
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: I get my binos on him, I get my range

728
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: finder on him. He's in shooting range. Janice and Seth

729
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 1: are all set up. They can film it. Um the bucks.

730
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: You know, there's a there's a lane to this deer.

731
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 1: He's a two hund thirty yards, so he's like within

732
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: the range. I felt pretty comfortable with it all kind

733
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: of lined up perfect, um, but I was pretty you know,

734
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: pretty excited at this point. Even though two or thirty

735
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: yards is really long. It's it's it's a it's a

736
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 1: it's a significant distance between me and the animal compared

737
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: to most of the encounters, right like twenty yard encounters,

738
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: thirty yard en counters when you're bow hunting. So you

739
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: wouldn't think, at least I wouldn't have thought leading into

740
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: this that would be like an intense moment. But it

741
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 1: definitely still was, like, it definitely was still a rush.

742
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: It was definitely definitely just had me amped. Um. And

743
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was just you know, like

744
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: it would be with any hunt, or maybe a little

745
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: more pressure given like how different this was from anything

746
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: I've done, or the fact there's a camera crew. I mean,

747
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: all those things definitely ramped it up, probably, but um,

748
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: but yeah, it was it was. It was a situation

749
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 1: that didn't think I could pass up. So squeeze the

750
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: trigger and and the buck basically rolled. He ran like

751
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: five yards and was dead and um, and that was

752
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: very exciting. And then like twenty minutes later, twenty minutes later,

753
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: Steve comes walking on the hillside. He walks up to me.

754
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 1: He's like, what happened, man? You shot the wrong buck.

755
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: I'm like, what, I shot the wrong buck? He's like, yeah,

756
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: I'm about my spotting scope on the buck. All of

757
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: a sudden, here gunshot and another deer comes running into

758
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: my view with blood coming out of his chest. Classic

759
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: classic canyon. Oh yeah, three, you said, Mark, I'm day three. Yeah,

760
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: day three of actually hunting. Um, kind of day four

761
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: or five of the trip. But yeah, I mean they're

762
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 1: had another bucket went in there, and it was a different,

763
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: smaller buck than the original one we spotted. So um,

764
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: it was kind of I don't know, it wasn't too disappointing.

765
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: It was kind of like a little bit bummed, especially

766
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: because like five minutes later, another nice buck, possibly the

767
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 1: same original nice buck, came walking back through and I'm

768
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: watching like, oh wow, that is a nice buck. Um.

769
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: But in the end I was like, man, this is

770
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,720
Speaker 1: just too cool. Like first, cuise dear, I can't complain

771
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: at all. It was just kind of a nice little

772
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: six pointer, beautiful little deer. Um. We went walking up

773
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: to it a little bit later, and I mean beautiful,

774
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: beautiful coat on the just this like gray and white

775
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: modeled coat. Um, but it looks like a white tail otherwise,

776
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: just really small. I could literally pick it up by

777
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: all four legs and just lifted up and you know,

778
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: throw it over my shoulder if I wanted. And you

779
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: guys know, I'm no Cameron Haynes, but I could have.

780
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 1: I could have thrown this buck over my shoulder. Um. See, yeah, man,

781
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: I killed my first couisier and uh I managed to

782
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: kind of screw things up just enough to make it interesting.

783
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: But I was it wouldn't have been right if you didn't. Yeah,

784
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: I was just glad the shot was good. You know,

785
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: there was no fiasco with a shot or anything. That

786
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: was the I just wanted a good, clean, quick kill,

787
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: no issues, didn't want to embarrass myself, didn't want to

788
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 1: mess anything up with it with a deer or anything.

789
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: And so that was, you know, huge relief. I mean you,

790
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: I think you remember, Josh, I told you my story

791
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: about last year in the caribra hunt, how that was.

792
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: That was nerve racking for me in that situation too.

793
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: And I had to take two shots on that caribou

794
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: um and that you know, bummed me out. And so

795
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,959
Speaker 1: this situation, it was a nice kind of uh, what's

796
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: the word not retribution, but oh gosh, I'm having a

797
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 1: brain fart. Whatever it was, it felt good. So that's

798
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: how my part of the heart end are part, my

799
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: part of the hunt ended, got my got my buck

800
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: core amount. You could literal really fit all of the

801
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: meat from the deer, all four quarters, backstraps, tenner loins, roasts, scraps,

802
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,720
Speaker 1: all everything, and the skull, nandler's everything into one backpack.

803
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 1: Packed the whole thing out in myself one load. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah.

804
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: How much you think the live weight would have been

805
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: on that, I don't know. Estimate eighty pounds, ninety pounds

806
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: something like that, not very big difficult. So you hunting

807
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 1: him with a rifle, and I'll say you went back

808
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 1: with a bow, How difficult would it be to get

809
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: one down with a bow. Yeah, So that's the big

810
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: question that I had coming out of this too, because

811
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: by the end of the trip, by the end of

812
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: my part of the hunt, and then you know, I

813
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: stuck around and still went out and hunted with Steve

814
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: and Ryan as they were hunting, and I kind of

815
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,240
Speaker 1: helped out with glassing. Um. The one thing I kept

816
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: craving the whole time was just closer encounters. Like I

817
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: wanted to you to be here the deer. I wanted

818
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 1: to feel like the deer might be all seen me

819
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: if I did something wrong. I wanted you know, I

820
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: kind of wanted that bow hunting experience again as far

821
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: as being close. Um, and even you know, even gun

822
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: hunting in Michigan or somewhere in the Midwest, you still

823
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,959
Speaker 1: get deer close to you. We never had deer close

824
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: to us, at least not to me. I know Steve

825
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: had a couple of times and Ryan did. Um were

826
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: some deerer close, but I never saw a deer closer

827
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: than probably just under twos. So that was the one

828
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 1: thing I missed, like that close engagement with the animal. Um.

829
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: So bow hunting. If I were going to go back

830
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,240
Speaker 1: and do it again, I would want to try bow hunting.

831
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: I think it is possible if you had kind of

832
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: low standards, at least for someone with my skill level

833
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,919
Speaker 1: and experience. UM, in a good area, I think you'd

834
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: go in there with a reasonable opportunity to shoot a

835
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: deer possibly. UM. I think what you'd have to do

836
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: is you would need to spend a bunch of time

837
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: in the glass to identify a couple of these zones. UM,

838
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: kind of like where these little rough parties are. Like

839
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: we ended up finding a spot where I killed my buck,

840
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: and then one other spot where Steve and Janice end

841
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: up killing their bucks. Um, where there's this little pocket

842
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: of rutting activity. You know, just like when you're hunting

843
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 1: white tails up by s, you'll sometimes find this little

844
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: section of a property where there's a ton of rutting

845
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: activity going on today and tomorrow or something. You know, Um,

846
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: there'll be a hot do in the area, a couple

847
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: hot doughs in the area, and there's a bunch of

848
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: deer activity. I think The way I would try doing

849
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: it is I would glass and glass and glass from

850
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,760
Speaker 1: a distance until I found one of these little rut

851
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: spots where there was a hot do in the area,

852
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: and then I would sneak in there with a bow

853
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: and put myself in a position where i'd have some

854
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: opportunities to move up and down a ridge, you know,

855
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: like I could I could kind of hunker down the

856
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: top of a ridge and watch, and if I saw

857
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: some deer approaching, I could see where they're headed, because

858
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: there's definitely like bucks cruising just like they do by us.

859
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 1: There was definitely bucks following does just like around us.

860
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: And I think if you could see one of those

861
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: deer heading your way from a distance, and maybe you

862
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: were like in a little crevice on a ridge, or

863
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: maybe you're you know, near a little bend in the

864
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: ridge or something where you could just get behind some

865
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: cover and move into range of where that spot would be,

866
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 1: I think you could have a chance. Um. But it

867
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: definitely wasn't at least in what I was seeing. It

868
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: wasn't like the archery mule hunt early season type things

869
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: you see where you watch a mule deer feeding all

870
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: day and then you watch whee beds and then you

871
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: sneak into where he was bedded and shoot him out

872
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 1: of his bed. I'd never we never, at least I

873
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: didn't see that kind of behavior. I didn't see a

874
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: buck of beds somewhere that you could actually see and

875
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: then stalking on him. Um. I would kind of think

876
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 1: I'd be trying to take advantage of a rut movement

877
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: as I see it happening and sneak in. Um. But man,

878
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: it would be a it would be a serious challenge.

879
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: Like I said, the deer hard to see, um, big

880
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: big country and uh, I mean it was a challenge

881
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 1: for all of us just to get you know, within

882
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: rifle range that didn't come easy. So trying to get

883
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: within bow range that would be you'd have to go

884
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: into with a little bit of like a oh, I

885
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: don't know, a suffer complex, like you want to suffer

886
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: a little bit. You have to be willing to really

887
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 1: go through some crap and probably not have it work out,

888
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: but be okay with that. That's probably the mindset I

889
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: would take if I was gonna try, you know, hunting

890
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: these deer in that kind of way. M hm. Do

891
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: they have a um, do they have a tendency to

892
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: be I think I've read before that they have a

893
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: tendency to be pretty aggressive towards each other. You know,

894
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: I Are they an aggressive species? I don't know. I

895
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: hadn't read one way or another there any more aggressive

896
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: than any other white tail. Um, but I definitely saw

897
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: aggressive running behavior. Uh So on our fifth day, I

898
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: think it was, Um, We're coming into one of these

899
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 1: zones of good activity that we noticed the night before,

900
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: and we spot a couple of nice bucks on this

901
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: hillside and turns out there's a hot dough and the

902
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: nicest buck is locked onto that hot dough. Steve and

903
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: the crew go chase the necklace buck. I stayed back

904
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: on the spotting scope, um, just glassing it, just keeping

905
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: an eye on the buck, and if somehow it ran off,

906
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: they could come back to me and I could tell him, Hey,

907
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: I saw go over the ridge or whatever. Um, So,

908
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: while I'm watching this whole thing go down, that buck

909
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: stayed with the dough. But had it was either four

910
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: or five other different but I think four different bucks, no,

911
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: maybe five different bucks over the course of a couple

912
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: hour period came in trying to make a move on

913
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: that dough. And every time that big buck would like

914
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: charge them, he'd run them off. Um, I wouldn't be

915
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 1: surprised if there was like some snort, wheezing and stuff

916
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: going on. It was that kind of behavior. So he

917
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 1: would run after this buck, scare that buck off, and

918
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: then run all the way right back to the dough,

919
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: standard of the dough, and then another buck would come

920
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: slinking up from the other side. He'd charged that buck,

921
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: run at fifty yards off, then come running back to

922
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 1: his dough. And he did that for for a long time.

923
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: So definitely that kind of terrialtorial running behavior that we

924
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 1: see here too. Um. You know, when they want to breed,

925
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: they do not want anyone messing it up. So I

926
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if there's some fighting. I'm sure there's

927
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: some fighting. Um, I didn't see it, but I gotta

928
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: believe it happens. I'm just gonna ask you about these

929
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: little running zones that you're talking about. What was there

930
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,240
Speaker 1: anything like specific, but maybe like a different terrain feature

931
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: or something that maybe cause that little area to be

932
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: a a hot zone of activity, Like did any of

933
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: these different areas have anything in common? Yeah, that's a

934
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: really good question. I I'm not sure, but if I

935
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: had to go off of like the couple of things

936
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 1: that stood out to me, most all of the best

937
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: activities saw was kind of in the upper third of

938
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 1: all the ridges on the mountains, so most of the

939
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: activity was kind of high up on the mountain top third.

940
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: And then always again, this is just like white tails

941
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 1: anywhere else near some of the best cover in the area.

942
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: So if you had like a big thick patch of

943
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: junipers up on that upper slope, there's a good chance

944
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: that that was gonna be one of those spots that

945
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: might have some some running activity. So where I found

946
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 1: my buck was like the thickest strip of junipers, like

947
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: a hundred yard wide swath of junipers that came along

948
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: this ridge, And these deer were up on the upper

949
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: slope chasing around and stuff, and eventually they moved down

950
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 1: lower once that buck locked onto the dough um. But

951
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: it was a very similar habitat to where Steve end

952
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: up killing his a lot of junipers in the saddest ridge.

953
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: And then there's a tiny bench at the right about

954
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: two thirds of the way up the hill, and right

955
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: on that bench is where the dough was bedded and

956
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: the buck was there, and then all these bucks are

957
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: kind of cruising along the bottom of the cover right

958
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: beneath them. UM. So I think these deer operate a

959
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: lot like white tails by us do. And the fact

960
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,919
Speaker 1: that they if possible, they'd like to be in cover

961
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: or near cover, so they've got that safety close by. UM.

962
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: And then I definitely saw them, you know, working ridgelines

963
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 1: kind of similar of the two white tails by us

964
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: when they're cruising, cruising two thirds up the ridge. UM.

965
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if they, you know, are sent checking

966
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: the same way. I kind of assumed they'd be sent

967
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: checking the same way. But I don't know enough about

968
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: how these dear bed to tell you where these doughs

969
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: are bettered, if if there was a component of like

970
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: elevation or or what. Um. But but it seems like

971
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 1: they're doing similar things. So that's that's my guess. Did

972
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: you get a sense of you know, when they were

973
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: on the side of the ridge, was the it seemed

974
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: like they were on that leeward side, that downwind side

975
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: more often, or were they sometimes even on the windward side.

976
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 1: You know, that's funny you asked that because at one

977
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: point when I was out there, I asked myself the

978
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: same question, and I realized that I had no idea,

979
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: you know, what the wind was doing. There was no

980
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 1: cell phone service to ever check what the wind was

981
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: doing throughout the day, and we just never thought about

982
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: the wind enough to even stick your finger in the

983
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: air and think about them. Um So, I don't know.

984
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: It was kind of weird in the way that really,

985
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: this is like a wind irrelevant hunt. Um And and

986
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: the wind probably was very shifty from one era to another,

987
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: like we're watching deer thousand yards away. The thermals were

988
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: probably doing something completely different there than they might have

989
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: been doing, you know, with the wind direction coming from

990
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: our direction mixing with the thermal's coming up. Um So,

991
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,919
Speaker 1: I just don't know how that all worked. I wish

992
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about it more at the time, but

993
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: it just wasn't like on our radar at all for

994
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: whatever reason. So that was kind of unique, and I

995
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: didn't think about too much. Now that I'm here, I

996
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: wish I had, did you? So, I know you probably

997
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: ate really well with with that crew. What was the

998
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: the taste of the cus deer compared to you know,

999
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: a Midwest white tells you notice any differences. That's a

1000
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: good question. I don't think so. I think that just

1001
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: tasted like a deer um. The only stuff we ate

1002
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: from Cou's deer. We we made um. On our last

1003
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: day there, we made venison tomali so cooked up. We

1004
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: grounded up corn into like a flour mix, added lard

1005
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: and water and baking soda and made this. I don't

1006
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 1: know if you has ever heard tomalls before, but make

1007
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,720
Speaker 1: this kind of corn paste of sorts that gets wrapped

1008
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 1: up into a corn husk with this pulled venison um

1009
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: that cooks in this uh chili Colorado spices, really really

1010
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: good um, but some strong flavors in there. So it

1011
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 1: wasn't like, you know, I could really differentiate. You know,

1012
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 1: you could have put elkin there, or deer or anything.

1013
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: I probably would have told you it was great and

1014
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: couldn't tell the difference between anything. But I did, I

1015
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: guess I did pull some some straight venison off the

1016
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: big chunk that we got cooked, just cooked in water

1017
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: for six hours, and that just tasted like any other

1018
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 1: deer um. But good, I mean really good, nice and

1019
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 1: tender and tasty um. And let me tell you, venison

1020
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: tomales are very very good. We did. We did eat

1021
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: very well. Um. We actually had um who was a

1022
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: lady I think who maybe lived on the ranch that

1023
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: we were able to hire to help us with some

1024
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: of the cooking because we were out the entire day. UM.

1025
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: But living in this we stayed at this old ranch

1026
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: house on the farm and UM. So she made a

1027
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: couple of dinners with us that were really really really

1028
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: authentic recipes of her own. So she made chili chili

1029
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: Colorado I think, um one night, and made thereiso um

1030
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: another night, and we had like breakfast burritos with that.

1031
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: And we ate ate so many beans. I was in

1032
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: the I was in the bathroom like seven times a day,

1033
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: so many beans over the trip. But it was it

1034
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: was really good. I mean, I ate Mexican breakfast, lunch,

1035
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: and dinner for eight days. This is good. She sounds

1036
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: like a much better camp manager than the last camp

1037
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: manager you had. She definitely cooks better than you, jobh.

1038
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: But but it was it was cool. All right, we

1039
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:02,879
Speaker 1: need to take one more break here to think our

1040
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: partners at Morton Buildings. And I'm excited about this one

1041
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 1: because I've for a long time looked at Morton buildings

1042
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 1: out there on folks properties and been very very jealous Morton.

1043
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: They're the builders of very high quality steel pull barns

1044
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: and steel buildings. Um you know, they can be used

1045
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: just as storage for your tractor and your hunting gear.

1046
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: I've seen others where they're full born Paul Barn houses

1047
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: where you have a large storage area for your truck

1048
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: and your tractor and your forward, but then also maybe

1049
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: half of it is a living area. Um Man. I've

1050
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: kind of dreamed of having my own little hunting properties

1051
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: someday and a Paul Barn house on it. That is

1052
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: is what I'm hoping to someday have And it's kind

1053
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: of neat to be able to talk about on the

1054
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: podcast here, and it kind of tell you about my dreams.

1055
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 1: Maybe someday it will happen. But from what I understand,

1056
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 1: Morten is the place to get this done. They have

1057
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 1: over a hundred years of experience. They're fully customizable. Like

1058
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: I mentioned, you can have a Paul Barn house, you

1059
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: can have a huge storage stility, whatever you want. They

1060
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,720
Speaker 1: have several different features that make these particularly high quality,

1061
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: like their energy performer installation. They have high ribs steel,

1062
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: It's very low maintenance and right now there are some

1063
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: special promotional prices going on that are running through February.

1064
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: So if you are in the market for a new

1065
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 1: barn or Paul barn house or or a little living

1066
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 1: space on your property, you can head over to Morton

1067
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: Buildings dot com to learn more. Alright, so, so and

1068
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: he had bounced, But Josh, I mean great food, beautiful beautiful,

1069
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: beautiful country. Um. I think a few things stood out

1070
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 1: to me though, and and feel free to happen here

1071
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: if you've got some other questions. But looking back on

1072
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: it now, I thought it would be helpful to mention

1073
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: like a couple of big takeaways for me. I guess

1074
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 1: if I was gonna do this again. Um, you know,

1075
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: I got to watch, you know, my hunt go down.

1076
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 1: I got to see Steve's hunt go down. Um, Ryan's

1077
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 1: buck we kind that looked into we're just walking to

1078
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 1: another glass and knob and bumped this deer. Um, and

1079
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,280
Speaker 1: Ryan got shot at him at just under two hundred yards.

1080
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: And then Janice's deer was kind of a little bit

1081
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: luck too, because that deer that Steve killed. Um. After

1082
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: Steve's buck got shot, one of those other four bucks

1083
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: I was telling you about that was kind of trying

1084
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: to get his dough. He just stayed right there. He

1085
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: stayed right in the area. Steve went up and looked

1086
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,760
Speaker 1: at his buck, checked it out, and that buck stayed

1087
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,439
Speaker 1: within like forty yards, like just stood there stock still.

1088
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 1: And Janice and Ryan were a couple hundred yards away

1089
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: watching all this happen, and they're just watching this buck

1090
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:38,399
Speaker 1: standing next to Steve, not caring. And finally they said, well,

1091
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: if we can get Steve out of there, we can

1092
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 1: maybe get a shot. And so they end up just

1093
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: yelling at Steve, told Steve, hey, Steve moved two hundred

1094
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: yards down the other way, and that buck did not move.

1095
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,879
Speaker 1: Steve walked two hundred yards away, he was forty yards

1096
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: in the buck. He walked the other way a long

1097
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: ways until he was far far away, and then you

1098
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: got a shot at that buck. I mean, just the

1099
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: craziest thing, um, But that hunting kills hunt him and

1100
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 1: kales sounds kind of unorthodox, but I think you know

1101
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 1: me and Steve's hunts, the way those kind of played out, um,

1102
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 1: kind of to what I've been talking all along about.

1103
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,280
Speaker 1: Just like a tremendous amount of patience behind the glass

1104
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 1: and the importance of how you glass. Um. Probably the

1105
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 1: most important thing was was having a tripod. I mean,

1106
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: I would never ever hunt the tripod for binoculars when

1107
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: you're white tail hunting. But in this kind of situation

1108
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 1: where you're sitting on a mountain for ten hours, when

1109
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: you're hand holding him, you don't realize it. At that distance,

1110
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 1: it's so hard to keep it steady. But when you're

1111
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: a tripod and you're looking for this little tiny thing

1112
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:44,280
Speaker 1: in your view, it made like a world of difference,

1113
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: Like you could just see so so much better. You

1114
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 1: could pan across the hillside so much more smoothly. Um.

1115
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 1: I mean it was the difference between seeing zero dear

1116
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 1: and being able to see ten deer day. Um. And

1117
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: then that almost tho seems like an absolute necessity. Yeah,

1118
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: I would say, absolutely must have. And then the other

1119
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: nice thing is that you know, if you spotted a

1120
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 1: deer and you looked away nine times attend, you probably

1121
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: never will find it again. Like they're they're they're that

1122
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: hard to spot. He might not have moved at all,

1123
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 1: but you wouldn't be able to find him again. So

1124
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: what you would do is you see this deer and

1125
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: then you spot it and then I got one. And

1126
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: then you can lock the tripod in place that had

1127
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: the tripod head, so you can just you lock your

1128
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: binoculars right at that view so that you know, so

1129
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: you don't need to rEFInd the deer. It's locked on

1130
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: to where the deer is and you can see it otherwise.

1131
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: I mean I had a couple of times where my

1132
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: hat knocked the binoculars and knocked it off. Yeah, I

1133
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 1: could not find him again. So just crazy. We'd have

1134
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: times when like I would spot one or Steven spot one,

1135
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: but nobody else has and so then you have to

1136
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 1: try to walk the other people into that deer, so

1137
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: they try to describe to them where the deer is

1138
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: so they can find it themselves. And that was that

1139
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: was a whole challenge of its own, trying to verbally

1140
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:02,919
Speaker 1: convey where this tiny dot is a hillside yards away. Um.

1141
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: That that's another takeaway probably too, is like if you're

1142
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: there with friends and you are trying to do that,

1143
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: and it's very helpful if you can do that, because

1144
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 1: the more people you can have on the deer, the

1145
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 1: better chance that is that you're not gonna lose him,

1146
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: especially if one of you is going to go stocking

1147
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: and try to hunt him. Um, so like being able

1148
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: to simply and accurately describe the the landmarks that you're

1149
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 1: seeing and then a direction from it. So it was like, Okay,

1150
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: do you see that highest peak in front of us

1151
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 1: with the two rocky bowlers on the very top, And

1152
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 1: then you wait your free your partner and he says, yeah,

1153
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: I see that. Okay, Now go to the six o'clock

1154
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: from that, so the peak is the center of the clock.

1155
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: Go to six o'clock from that, keep going until you

1156
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 1: see the yellow strip of rocks that go across in

1157
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: straight line. Okay, yeah, I see that. Okay, now go

1158
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 1: three o'clock from that line of rocks until you see

1159
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: the juniper tree that has two branches on the left

1160
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: and five branches in the right. I've got that. It

1161
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: was that kind of was like that was how you

1162
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: had to get people to see this deer. Otherwise it

1163
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: was just you couldn't you couldn't point him and say hey,

1164
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: right there. And then the same challenge applied to like

1165
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 1: when you tried to stalk and close to find him again.

1166
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: You know, when I had to move in to try

1167
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: to get close to my dear to shoot it. Same thing,

1168
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: you know, Stephen, I had seen the deer to the distance,

1169
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: but then when he had to try to close the

1170
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 1: distance to get a shot, it's so much harder to

1171
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 1: find him again when you're close because the angles are different,

1172
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: or the deer might have moved twenty yards or a

1173
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: hundred yards or whatever. Um. So the biggest takeaway in

1174
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 1: that front I had was when you make your move.

1175
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: And this could probably apply to any kind of hunt

1176
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: like this mulder hunt or whatever. UM find like a

1177
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 1: very very specific reference point as to where you last

1178
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 1: saw that deer. Um Like I got. I had a

1179
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 1: reference point in my head when I took off, but

1180
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 1: it was a little bit too general. I said, Okay,

1181
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: it's bottom third of the super wide strip of junipers.

1182
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: I remember seeing him enter that that part of it.

1183
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: But Seth, the other guy with me, he had identified

1184
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 1: a specific tree with a white circle on it, and

1185
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: that was huge because then we knew exactly where on

1186
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 1: that lower third within that strip of junior verse we

1187
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: had to wait to look. That helped a lot. So, man,

1188
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 1: that's another thing I would definitely keep in mind. I

1189
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: think it's just patience glassing. Having the right gear being

1190
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: very detailed oriented when it comes to planning your stocks

1191
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 1: into these deer and how you're going to spot them,

1192
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: um and patience. Again, I think it was just it's different.

1193
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 1: It was really really different. Very cool, but very different.

1194
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 1: And like I said, I did find myself wishing I

1195
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 1: could I wish I could get closer to him. That's

1196
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 1: probably the only my only regret is that I didn't

1197
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 1: get to have a close call with him. There was

1198
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 1: something kind of hunting the man. Would you ever do

1199
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 1: hunt like that? Oh for sure, I'd love to do

1200
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: something like that. It's just you know, followed along over

1201
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: your Instagram storyline as a couple of days and you've

1202
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 1: kind of been putting some small states on a man,

1203
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 1: I just look so awesome, just so different, you know,

1204
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: than what you're used to. And and even hunting like

1205
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 1: white tails, like we've done a little bit out west.

1206
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 1: It's it's just so much different even than that, and

1207
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: hunting the river bottoms and stuff like that. It's just

1208
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 1: totally different world. It seems like, Yeah, well, I've definitely

1209
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: found over the years that, I mean, I love white tails,

1210
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 1: and I've got to hunt a bunch of different things

1211
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 1: now and I still just keep coming back to white tails, like,

1212
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, they're just the coolest um. But I

1213
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 1: definitely have found um a growing desire to experience different

1214
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 1: kind of white tail hunts. You know, like I love

1215
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 1: my Midwest tree stand thing. But it's been a lot

1216
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 1: of fun to go out west and hunt the river bottoms,

1217
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 1: and it was a ton of fun to go to

1218
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: Nebraska and hunt the sandhill type terrains. And you know,

1219
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 1: I'm wanting to go do like a northeast hunt here

1220
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 1: maybe this year and try to track one down, and

1221
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 1: you know, just trying these different places that I mean,

1222
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 1: I'm sure you experienced it this year when you went

1223
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 1: to North Dakota, right, Just that different kind of a

1224
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 1: different kind of terrain, slightly different behavior, but still the

1225
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: white tail we love. Like, I don't know, it's just

1226
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 1: a really cool way to engage in this critic, isn't it.

1227
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 1: And it's just so crazy as you go up to

1228
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 1: all these different places, how how adaptive they are to

1229
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: the you know, the landscape that they're in or the

1230
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: terrain that they're in, just you know, from Florida to

1231
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: Canada to Mexicota to the Northeast to the what I mean,

1232
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 1: it's just it's just crazy how they can just adapt

1233
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 1: so well and thrive wherever they're at. I might be biased, man,

1234
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: but I think there. I think they're the number one

1235
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 1: champions of the outdoor world. I think white tailed deer

1236
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 1: have just like they're so adaptable they can survive anywhere.

1237
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 1: Like you said, I mean, they're they're all over this continent. Um.

1238
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 1: So for that reason, I think white tail hunters are

1239
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 1: the best to um. You know, sort of related to

1240
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 1: the fact that these deer are seen all over the

1241
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 1: place though. That kind of was something I was thinking

1242
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: a lot about when it came to like the landscape

1243
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 1: we were hunting, and I mean it was stunning down there.

1244
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 1: I mean beautiful, beautiful sunsets, really interesting different types of

1245
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: plant life, like I said, all sorts of different cactus

1246
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 1: plants and um agave plants and century plants like big

1247
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 1: palmy bushes aka tillo, which are like these long I

1248
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 1: don't even know how to describe. It looks like something

1249
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 1: almost like I would get Dr. Seuss book, like, like

1250
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: imagine just like big sticks coming out of a single

1251
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 1: bush at the bottom, but they stand like eight feet

1252
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 1: tall and they have huge like two inch long spines

1253
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 1: all over each stick, kind of like our pricker bushes here,

1254
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 1: multiplied by ten um but just stunning, really really cool. Um.

1255
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 1: But almost every night I'd be sitting on a hill

1256
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 1: looking at these just dropped dead gorgeous hills and sunsets,

1257
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 1: and this does and I kept falling back in my

1258
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 1: mind to thinking about home in America and thinking about

1259
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 1: the fact that we have places like this too, literally

1260
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 1: just like that or other beautiful landscapes like that. Um.

1261
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 1: But they're you know, they're open to all of us.

1262
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 1: We have public lands like that that are open and

1263
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 1: available for everybody to hunt, to camp, to fish, to

1264
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 1: do whatever. And they're just are not many opportunities. From

1265
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 1: what I gather, there are not many opportunities like that

1266
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 1: down in Mexico. Like it's people. Not many people, from

1267
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 1: what I understand, hunt down there because it's really hard

1268
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 1: to have guns. It's really hard to find places to hunt. Um.

1269
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 1: I just think that I, I, personally, and probably a

1270
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 1: lot of other people probably take what we have in

1271
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 1: America for granted. And this is a this is a

1272
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 1: big time reminder for me, um, just how good we

1273
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 1: have it. Incredible lands, incredible, you know, whether it be

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Speaker 1: the rights to public lands, the right to bear arms.

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01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 1: I mean, we've got a lot of things going for

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Speaker 1: us them very thankful for. And and probably the timing

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01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 1: that you're down there right now too, with everything going on,

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01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 1: probably just makes you realize that you know even more,

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01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, just with all the stuff

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01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 1: going on with with the southern border right now, it

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01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 1: makes it really appreciate, you know, what you got, especially

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01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 1: when you're right there in the moment at this point

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01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 1: in time. For sure, a lot of talk about the border,

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01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 1: a lot of talk about people that want to be

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Speaker 1: in America. Um And and yeah, I think my overarching

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01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 1: take home message from this trip for me was just

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01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 1: just how thankful I am to be a hunter in

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Speaker 1: the United States of America, with the places we have

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Speaker 1: to hunt, in the animals we have to hunt, and

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01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 1: the tools and the rights and the opportunities that we

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Speaker 1: have in the management system we have in place. Um Man,

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01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 1: there's just a lot of things going for us here

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01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 1: that um I suppose is just just another reminder for

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01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 1: us of the importance of trying to make sure we

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01:05:57,480 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 1: keep it that way right. We gotta try to keep

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Speaker 1: republic lands public, gotta try to keep them, you know,

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01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 1: as as wild and as intact as POSSI disturbed. Yeah,

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01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 1: at the same time, we got to also fight for

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01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 1: you know, our rights to hunt, our rights to have firearms.

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Speaker 1: There's just a whole lot of stuff these days that

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01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 1: makes you wonder. I don't know. There's a lot of

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01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 1: folks coming for the things we want, and we just

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01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 1: need to make sure that we stand up for those

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01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 1: things that are important to us. And it's not easy,

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01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 1: it's not convenient, it's not always comfortable. As my friend

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01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 1: is Randy Newberger always likes to talk about when it

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01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 1: comes to public lands, I think he always says, it's

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01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 1: not easy, it's not comfortable, it's not convenient, but it's

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01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 1: always worth it. And um and after that week in Mexico,

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01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 1: that's that's something that's gonna be top of mind from you.

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01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 1: So that's my Mexico cuz deer hunt dude. That is

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Speaker 1: what I took away from it. It looked awesome. Congratulations,

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01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 1: that was an awesome buckets really cool to see what

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01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 1: do you guys have Four guys end up hanging out

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01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 1: four well, no, five guys. Because the four of us,

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01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 1: four of us um killed and then our CEO of

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01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 1: Meteor Inc. Kevin He killed one earlier in the trip.

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01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:11,560
Speaker 1: I had to leave, so he wasn't in that fugle Um,

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01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 1: but we filled five tags at six that we had. Wow,

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01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 1: that's great, That's what a cool trip. Then I gotta ask,

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01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 1: I feel like we'd be leaving, leaving this out if

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01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 1: we didn't, if we didn't touch on it. What are

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01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 1: these guys like in camp? Man? You gotta it didn't

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01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:30,960
Speaker 1: look like no hotel Beachmont that we said, what's the

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01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 1: what's the vibe in camp with those guys? It looks

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01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 1: like you're probably laughing the whole time. Yeah, that's a

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01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 1: good ess. That's a good point to make. Um, it's

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01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:41,920
Speaker 1: probably probably what most people are interesting. They don't care

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Speaker 1: about if I shot a deer anything. They're more like,

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01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 1: what's like to hang out in camp with Steve Rinella? Um,

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01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 1: it's fun, it's cool. I mean it's very competitive. I'll say,

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01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 1: is one thing like Steve, Ryan Janice all these guys

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01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 1: like super competitive. If so, there's a lot of like

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01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 1: one upsmanship going on, like like I bet you I

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01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 1: could beat you in a arm wrestle, and then we're

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01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 1: doing arm wrestle competitions. Um that it'll be like push

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01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 1: up competitions. Then it will be how many pull ups

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01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 1: can you do? Um? So knowing me, Josh, you knew,

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01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 1: I wasn't clear, although I'll tell you after my caribou

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01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:24,679
Speaker 1: hunt and then like hunting turkeys and in the spring

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01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:26,439
Speaker 1: and deer in the fall, I kind of I kind

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01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 1: of knew what was what it was getting myself into.

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01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 1: So I've been working my way into it. Like there's

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01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 1: this thing they called the Century Club. So every day

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01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 1: you want to do a hundred push ups a day,

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01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 1: and so it's kind of like a group thing. Like

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01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:39,840
Speaker 1: someone's like, all right, where are you at? And like

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01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 1: someone's like, I'm at forty alright, bust out twenty five more.

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01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 1: And then one person will get down start doing push ups,

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01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 1: and then whoever you know needs to get some more

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01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 1: for the day. They all hop in and so. And

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01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:53,880
Speaker 1: when they first started doing it this spring, in my head,

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01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 1: I'm so shitty at push ups. I'm like, oh God,

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01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 1: I can't hang with him. I'm not gonna do it. Well,

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01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 1: it's gonna embarrass myself. I do so a few push ups. Um.

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01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 1: So this time around was like, no, I'm going to

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01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 1: be in the Century Club. I can easily do that,

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01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 1: So I just started doing a handful every day and

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01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 1: work my way to the point now where I can

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01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,840
Speaker 1: I can hang with them. So I felt good about

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01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 1: doing knee pushups. Yeah, is that not right, Josh? I

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01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 1: think it was. I think it was Ben. I think

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01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 1: it was watching like Ben O'Brien's Instagram story or something

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01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:27,599
Speaker 1: that I heard. I think it was said, I gotta

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01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 1: show Kenny how to do push ups or something like that,

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01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:32,679
Speaker 1: right for him dogging on you a little bit. Yeah,

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01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 1: it's true. He said that my stance on my pushups

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01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 1: is too wide with my arms, so they forced me

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01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:41,720
Speaker 1: to pull my elbows and my hands in closer to

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01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 1: do my pushups. But I can't. I have to do

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01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 1: my push ups on like clenched fists because I don't

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01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 1: know if you remember this back in high school. Um,

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01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 1: but I got like, yeah, man, so I can't remember.

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01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 1: So I had to doing with fists. Um. So for

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01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 1: whatever reason, I usually do him wider, but now I'm

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01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 1: doing him tighter. Doing those, we had to do a

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01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 1: push up or not push up, but a pull up,

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01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:12,479
Speaker 1: not not pull ups. Arm wrestle competition on the last

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01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:17,640
Speaker 1: day and I came in second, um sort of, I

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Speaker 1: guess third technically, because Steve was kicking everyone's butt like

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01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:23,519
Speaker 1: Steve was. Steve's got it pretty well handled on most

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01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 1: of these things, and um, so he was whooping on

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01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,680
Speaker 1: the cameraman and everything, and I'm like, well, screw it,

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01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 1: I'll try. And I at least like gave him a

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01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 1: run for his money, like he gave his big push

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01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 1: town towards the end and everyone's like, oh, here it

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01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 1: goes just like everybody else. And then I was kind

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01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 1: of in my hand like no, I'm not I'm not

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01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 1: going down without a fight, and I was able to

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01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 1: hold him for a while. He like, you know, at

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01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 1: least made him think that this could be interesting. So

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01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:51,000
Speaker 1: I felt good about that. But then, uh, but then Beeto,

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01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw the video that Steve

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01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 1: post on Instagram, is pretty funny. Um, but Beeto was

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01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 1: one of the guys that helped us to the border

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01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 1: crossing and everything. It was just sticks. So he was

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01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 1: there on the last day and so we pulled him

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01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 1: in and he kicked Steve's butt. So that's pretty funny. Um. Yeah. Otherwise,

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01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 1: otherwise it's just like a lot of stories, a lot

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01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 1: of laughing, a lot of giving each other ship, you know,

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01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:16,679
Speaker 1: just like any other hunting camp, except for this camp

1402
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 1: has got you know, nine people in it, and um everyone,

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01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:27,160
Speaker 1: everyone likes to talk. Everyone's good at talking everyone. Um.

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01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 1: So there's lots of debates and arguments and stuff like that,

1405
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 1: which is which is fun. So I'm sure it's hard

1406
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 1: to get in a word, it can be for sure.

1407
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 1: And if you get a word in, if you get

1408
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 1: a worden and it's a debate, you better be very

1409
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 1: well prepared to defend it because you'll get jumped out.

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01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:46,640
Speaker 1: So I'd try to sit in the corner of that

1411
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 1: crew and just listen. You gotta be prepared to be

1412
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 1: told you're wrong and try to try to fight that.

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01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, man, it's cool. I mean all those guys,

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01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 1: I mean, both the folks are wrong can like Stephen

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01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 1: Kle and Yanni or the guys behind the camera like

1416
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 1: Chris and Rick and Seth. I mean, just super funny,

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01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 1: cool people. Uh, we had a We had a good time,

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01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 1: I will say. You know. The only thing else I

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01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 1: would add about it. The only downside of the whole

1420
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 1: trip it was just how long it was. It was

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01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 1: a long trip. I mean I was gone for twelve

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01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:22,719
Speaker 1: days from home, and um, that was tough, being away

1423
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 1: from being away from Everett and Kylie. You know, after

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01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 1: a trip we took this Spirit or not Spring this

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01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 1: uh September. How long were you? Well, I was gone

1426
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 1: longer new But I think I was gone for eleven

1427
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 1: days for that white Tail hunt. Yeah, I think I

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01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:37,880
Speaker 1: was gone seven Yeah, seven or eight something like that. Yeah,

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01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 1: And after that one, I kind of told myself, kind

1430
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 1: of made a plan in my head that I didn't

1431
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 1: want to do any trips that long anymore. I wanted

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01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 1: to try to keep future trips like seven days or less.

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01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:49,599
Speaker 1: Just you know, so it's not quite as tough on Kylie.

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01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 1: And it's just, you know, it's just hard. It's it's

1435
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 1: surprisingly difficult to be Like back when I, before I

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01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 1: had kids, I was always thinking that it wouldn't be

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01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 1: that big of a deal, But now I'm realizing that

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01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:02,800
Speaker 1: it is. Um And so in this case, you know,

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01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:04,880
Speaker 1: it was a trip that I was delonged for. I

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01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 1: didn't have the ability to really control the scheduling, and

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01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:14,160
Speaker 1: twelve days definitely had me missing, missing my family. So yeah,

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01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:16,760
Speaker 1: and as Peter said our group chat, died without you

1443
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:21,719
Speaker 1: being around too to spark like that. So your family

1444
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 1: and your group chat. I guess, uh, I guess I'm

1445
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 1: more important to some folks than I realized. Something. Something's

1446
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 1: like shocking me. I can't believe Peter wouldn't have some

1447
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:33,560
Speaker 1: kind of odd picture to share with the group or

1448
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:37,760
Speaker 1: something to keep the group text. The things that got

1449
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 1: very good at that, oh man, Yeah, welcome home, congratulations

1450
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 1: looked like just an incredible trip, incredible hunt. And uh,

1451
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 1: glad that everything went well for you getting across the

1452
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 1: border and getting home. And no horror stories, so that's

1453
01:13:56,800 --> 01:14:01,040
Speaker 1: always good, right, Yes, no horror stories. I'm back, glad

1454
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:04,720
Speaker 1: him back and um so all right, well I think

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01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 1: we should wrap it up. Man. Thank you for hopping

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01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:09,680
Speaker 1: on here and playing host. Yeah, yeah, I appreciate you

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01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:11,519
Speaker 1: having me on. And since I'm hosting, I feel like

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01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:14,920
Speaker 1: I should maybe get to do the sign off. Yeah,

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01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:17,599
Speaker 1: go ahead, take it, take it away. Well, let' let's

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01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:19,080
Speaker 1: see how I can do that. You might have to

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01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 1: hire hear me. Thank you everyone for tuning in this week. Uh,

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