1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 2: Welcome back in Friday edition, hour number two. 4 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we 5 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: are rolling through and having a good time with all 6 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: of you. Buck, I don't know how much attention you've 7 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: ever paid to this story, but I went to I 8 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: think I've talked about this on the show before. I 9 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: went to a public magnet school in the Nashville area 10 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: for grade seven through twelve, and it was a school 11 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,919 Speaker 1: that was academic focus and you had to have they 12 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: give you like STAY nine tests or whatever. I think 13 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 1: they called the TCAP Tennessee Comprehensive Assessment Program that you 14 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 1: take when you're a kid, and basically it's four smart 15 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: kids to the extent that I can qualify as smart 16 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: and seven through twelve. 17 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:56,959 Speaker 2: It changed my life in measure right. 18 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: I went to public school K through twelve and I 19 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: got to go to this school, Martin Luther King grade 20 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: seven through twelve. And by the way, I think I 21 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: got an email this morning from one of the guidance 22 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 1: counselors saying they're trying to do away with seventh to 23 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: eighth grade there, which is its own crazy story, which 24 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: I think is an awful idea. But there have been 25 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: of late, and I don't know if you've paid a 26 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: lot of attention to this, Buck, but I've kind of 27 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: paid a great deal of attention to it because of 28 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: my own academic background. Of late, there have become attacks 29 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 1: on high academic courses, whether it's AP courses, whether it's 30 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: honors courses, whether it's the schools themselves designed for smart 31 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: kids as an attack upon equity. And sometimes buckets focused on, hey, 32 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: we don't have the right enrollment. The AP history class 33 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: is not diverse enough. The people who were taken AP calculus, Oh, 34 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: they don't have enough of this particular or minority in them. 35 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: And so the result is some places say you should 36 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: just do away with them. And I was thinking about 37 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: that this morning as I was getting ready for the show, 38 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: and I saw this headline from the Daily Mail. Chicago's 39 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: progressive mayor, Brandon Johnson announced his plan to act wind 40 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: these cities high achieving, selective enrollment high schools to boost equity, 41 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:32,119 Speaker 1: despite promising not to during an election campaign. And Buck, 42 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: you grew up in New York City, which is probably 43 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 1: where all this kind of started. I know Boston has 44 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,959 Speaker 1: their own version. Northeast I think is where this high 45 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: achievement public high school dynamic began, and those schools in 46 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: both New York City and Boston have also been coming 47 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: under attack. Chicago, my hometown of Nashville. The idea is, oh, 48 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: there's too many smart kids there, and if they don't 49 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:02,959 Speaker 1: directly reflect what the population of the enrollment is of 50 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 1: the overall student body, that we've got to tear them down. 51 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: I just think this is a direct attack upon the 52 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: meritocracy itself. We don't we want shouldn't we want smart 53 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: kids to be as smart as they possibly can be. 54 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 3: This is an ongoing and it's it's fascinating how this 55 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 3: plays out, and it's one of those one of those 56 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 3: policy issues where you see that the progressives are actually 57 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 3: cruel in the name of diversity or cruel in the 58 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 3: name of some higher good, because instead of allowing high 59 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 3: achievement high schools or courses to exist, they get very 60 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 3: frustrated because you can't actually have these schools in high schools. 61 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 3: You know, they can't do like the college application holistic 62 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 3: nonsense where it's like, oh, the person's essay is why 63 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 3: they got in no, Actually, it's skin color, it's affirmative action. 64 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 3: It's the things that we all know that they're taking 65 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 3: into account more than anything else. But okay, you see 66 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 3: this happening. I mean, the fact that they they can't 67 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 3: change the numbers, then they go, let's just shut it down. 68 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 3: Let's shut it down. And they've done this. They'll shut 69 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 3: down schools that outperform other public. 70 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 2: Schools as a. 71 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 3: Giveaway to the teachers' unions, the thuggery of the lazy 72 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 3: and inept teachers unions. They did that in New York City. 73 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 3: They were trying to They're going to shut down Harlem 74 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 3: Success Academy. Young black kids out performing all of their 75 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 3: peers of all races on state wide tests, doing phenomenally well. 76 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 3: And there was a movement under the Blasio to shut 77 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 3: down the Harlem Success Academy schools. Why well, as I said, 78 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 3: teachers union stuff. But also, you know what the centerpiece 79 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 3: of these some of these charter schools is accountability for 80 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 3: the kids and the parents. Yes, and there's another and 81 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 3: I actually so you know you were I mean Clay's like, 82 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 3: I mean, there's like the School for Geniuses in Tennessee. 83 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 2: I Travis, I think You. 84 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 1: Might also point out that some people would say a 85 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: genius for kids from Tennessee could be considered an oxymoron 86 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: in many parts of the country. But yes, this was 87 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: a like I mean, I do not believe. But here's 88 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: the way I'll put it to you. Because I know 89 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: you went to you were at a really good school 90 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: in New York City, a NERD school for the spot Wichts. 91 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: I went to a NERD school in Nashville. Here's a 92 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: good question, and I would put it this way. I 93 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: was fortunate to go get a scholarship to George Washington, 94 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 1: and then I graduated from Vanderbilt Law School. I think 95 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: that I would not have achieved any of that if 96 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: I hadn't gone to Martin Luther King seventh through twelfth grade, 97 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 1: seventh and eighth grade, I think we're the toughest years 98 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: academically for me, way tougher than college and law school. 99 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: And some people think that's crazy. But it was about 100 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: catching up. It was about determining what level of academic 101 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: achievement you could attain. I don't think i'd be sitting 102 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: here talking to you today if I hadn't been able 103 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: to go to that school. 104 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 2: And there's another school in New York City. 105 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 3: I mean, I want to we can get back to 106 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 3: Chicago's progressive Mayriorg just to point out here that he's 107 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 3: going to get rid of these schools because they upset people. 108 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 2: Think about how cruel that is. 109 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: Think about how a meritocracy upsets people on the left 110 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:17,799 Speaker 1: right now. 111 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 3: But it's really it's a sore point on the left 112 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 3: because it goes to the failure of all these They 113 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 3: always do these things where they say, if we just 114 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 3: had better student teacher ratio, if we had more resources, 115 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 3: if we spent more money. No, what the actual data 116 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 3: shows is do your parents show up to parent teacher 117 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 3: night or does a parent show up to parent teacher night? 118 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 2: Do the parents make sure the kid arrives at school 119 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 2: on time and is. 120 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 3: Picked up if they're at the age where they have 121 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 3: to be picked up by an adult, who is in 122 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 3: you know, who cares for them. Do the parents check 123 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 3: to see the kid is doing the homework? Is the 124 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 3: kid supported in their day to day when they get home. 125 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 3: Does someone ask them about their school? Does someone eat 126 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 3: inner with them? It doesn't have to be you know, 127 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 3: filet mignon served by a butler. Does someone sit with 128 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 3: the child and talk to them over the dinner table 129 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 3: about their day. 130 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 2: Nobody wants to hear that. 131 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 3: They want to hear that it's it's structural racism, or 132 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 3: they want to hear that it's systemic inequality, or they 133 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 3: want to hear whatever. 134 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 2: And one of the. 135 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 3: Best laboratories of how this elite school system plays out 136 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 3: in the whole country there's Stuyvesant High School. Now there's 137 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 3: a lot of beef between Stuyvesant and my high school, 138 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 3: Regis because we were both free schools, but we were 139 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 3: the free private school and they were obviously public, so 140 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 3: it's free, but you had to take a special test 141 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 3: for both to get in. Humble brag Clay, I got 142 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 3: into both. But I remember I showed up on on 143 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 3: Stuyvesant test day. And I'm not I'm not kidding when 144 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 3: I say it was me and a thousand or so 145 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 3: Asian kids. 146 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and and and now I did not super rich 147 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: Asian kids. 148 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: By the way, these are first generation the parents like 149 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: are engaged going to be so important they the. 150 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 3: Poorst ethnicity per capita in New York City of this 151 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 3: sort of you know, of the black, white, Hispanic and 152 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 3: Asian is actually Asian they are poorer. 153 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 2: Per capita, and that people. This blows people's minds. 154 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 3: They cannot believe it until they look up the data 155 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 3: and they say, oh my gosh, it's actually true. 156 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 2: So it's not that there's all these rich kids, you know. 157 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 3: This isn't like the Crazy Rich Asians movie where people 158 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 3: are driving maseratis everywhere and flying on private jets. These are, 159 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 3: to your point, immigrants whose parents often speak almost no English. 160 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 3: Now Stuyvesant is just the test, there's no nothing, the 161 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 3: ultimate meritocracy. 162 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 1: You sit down and it's just how well do you 163 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: score on tests? And it's like the SATs. 164 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 3: It's sort of math and probably language arts or reading 165 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 3: or forget what they call it now it's been a 166 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 3: long time, but it's a you know, a verbal section 167 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 3: of math section. All right, Clay. This is in the 168 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 3: New York Times. By the way, this is from earlier 169 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 3: this year, because every year we have to have the 170 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 3: same debate, just like they're having a Chicago right now. 171 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 3: Of these seven hundred and sixty two new students admitted 172 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 3: to Stuyvesant's elite high school next year, how many are black? 173 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: I would bet that it is five hundred Asian, one 174 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:16,599 Speaker 1: hundred white, and you said seven hundred and eighty or 175 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: something like seven hundred and sixty two students, seventy five 176 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: Hispanic and seventy five black. 177 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 2: If I were guessing seven, that's crazy. Seven. Yeah. 178 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 3: Now this is very upsetting, very upsetting to the Democrat 179 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 3: administration of New York City. 180 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 2: Very upsetting too. 181 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 3: You have to remember, Clay, I mean, I had a 182 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 3: friend who was a teacher in one of these, like 183 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 3: one of these they call them like Renaissance schools, and 184 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 3: she says that, you know, all, it's all the computers 185 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 3: are brand new, and there's so much money, and there's 186 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 3: so much tax dollars and all this stuff. They haven't 187 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 3: budged the test scores for black and Hispanic students in 188 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 3: the public school system in forty years. 189 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 2: They can't do it now. 190 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 3: Harlem success Academy charter school systems have had success. It's 191 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 3: not that it can't happen, but the system that they're 192 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 3: operating in overall does not work. And so there's just 193 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 3: this this year in and year out debate, and you know 194 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 3: what they want to do. They want to make Stuyvesant 195 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 3: a random lottery school because then it's like, well, everybody. 196 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 2: Gets a shot. 197 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 3: But the point is Stuyvesant is only Stuyvesant, and by 198 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 3: the way, fierce debate rival, so I kind of want 199 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 3: to talk some trash about them. We were like, you know, 200 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 3: like the Sharks and the Jets from West Side story 201 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 3: that was Regis and Stuyvesant in debate. 202 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 2: Does it get nerdier than this, folk, No, it does not. 203 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 3: I mean you can see the pocket protectors right now, 204 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 3: those you're listening to us on radio across the country. 205 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 3: But they always want to try to shut it down 206 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 3: because it is just a it's a thumb in the 207 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 3: eye of the whole system and all the spending and 208 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 3: all the money, and it also goes to the meritocracy. 209 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,839 Speaker 3: You actually see why are only seven black students getting 210 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 3: into Stuyvesant this year? What is going on? I mean, 211 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 3: I think the New York City, I'm guessing. I think 212 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 3: it's like thirty percent, maybe African American I have to 213 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 3: check on that. 214 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 2: Probably higher than that for public school enrollment too. But 215 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 2: that is the point. Here is your peer. 216 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: Group, and this is my one bit of parenting advice 217 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: to the extent that I have any your peer group, 218 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: that is the peer group of your kids is insanely 219 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:35,359 Speaker 1: important when it comes to determining what their overall academic 220 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: success will be. And if you are like Buck and 221 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: I were surrounded by nerdy kids who care about academics, 222 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: especially as you hit adolescents, you are more likely to 223 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: achieve at a high level than if you were surrounded 224 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:50,839 Speaker 1: by people who don't care about academics at all. 225 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 3: And you know, we have doctor Carol Swain coming out. 226 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 3: We're talking to her, and you know she's gonna talk 227 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 3: to us about Harvard president. The Harvard president Gay wanted 228 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 3: Roland Friar Junior fired and d tenured and fired, which 229 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 3: is like impossible to do normally. But Clay the reason 230 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 3: in part was his his data crunching on white and 231 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 3: Asian kids get more friends as they are more successful 232 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 3: in school. Black and Latino kids, and actually Latino kids 233 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 3: more than Black kids, according to his data, lose friends 234 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 3: as their grades and their test scores improve. 235 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 2: What is going. 236 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 3: Again, just looking at the numbers, that was sacrilege for 237 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 3: this tenured you know, really kind of like hot shot 238 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 3: professor at Harvard to put that out there and think 239 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 3: about the culture that you're creating for young black and 240 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 3: Hispanic kids. 241 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: That when they dominate academically, they have less of a 242 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: good social circle around them. I mean, that's brutal, the 243 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: opposite of what should happen. We should just you know, 244 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 1: it really helps you shut it all down and just 245 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: say that it's all racism and never fix anything. That's 246 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: what the Democrats do, and throw more money at it 247 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: and tax you more and say that it's no one's fault. 248 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: There's no accountability for anybody. 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Clay Travis and 267 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 2: Buck Sexton. 268 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 3: Welcome back in Everybody third hour play and Buck kicks 269 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 3: off right now. We are joined by doctor Carol Swain. 270 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 3: She's a senior fellow at the Institute for Faith and Culture. 271 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 3: Also the author of the book The Adversity of Diversity, 272 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 3: which was released this past summer. Doctor Swain, honored to 273 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 3: have you on the program. 274 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 4: Meecham, I'm quite excited. Thank you for all the good 275 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 4: work you did. 276 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Let's start with, uh, well, why 277 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 3: your name has certainly been in the news cycle for 278 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 3: the last week or so. The president of Harvard still 279 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 3: the president as we speak here. I don't think that's 280 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 3: going to change anytime soon. Doctor Gay. There are allegations 281 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 3: from a friend of the show, Chris Ruffo here and 282 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 3: others that she plagiarized some of your work. I wanted 283 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 3: to ask you first about that. I mean, what do 284 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 3: you think of those allegations, and what do you think 285 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 3: of overall the fact that doctor Gay seems to be 286 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 3: held to a different standard than other university presidents, like 287 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 3: University of Pennsylvania's who have already resigned. 288 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 5: But she is a. 289 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 4: Documented serial pleasurist that that cannot be denied. And Harvard 290 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 4: University can't decide, you know laterally that they're going to 291 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 4: change the definition of pleasurism just to protect its first 292 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 4: ever black president. 293 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 6: So that is certainly the case. 294 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 4: And she lifted two passages from my prize winning book 295 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 4: Black Faces, Black Interests the representation of African Americans in Congress. 296 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 4: But her harm to me, I contend go quar beyond that, 297 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 4: because she did her early research in the area where 298 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 4: I was the noted scholar who produced the path breaking work. 299 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 4: She built on my work, and she did not give 300 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 4: me proper acknowledgement or attribution as a scholar. If you 301 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 4: were working in an area where there is a leading 302 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 4: professor to acknowledge that work, either to a permit to 303 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 4: refute it, or to expand it, she would have a 304 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 4: citation in her bibliography. But anyone reading Claudine Gay's work 305 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 4: would not know that about the work that I was 306 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 4: the lead scholar on that was considered pathbreaking. 307 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 6: So that's one issue. The other issue is to. 308 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 4: Get early tenure at Princeton. The requirements back in the 309 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 4: nineteen nineties was that you had to have a path 310 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 4: breaking book, not a series of mediocre articles. And my 311 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 4: book won three national prizes, was cited by many law 312 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 4: courts as well as the Supreme Court. I had three 313 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 4: Supreme Court citations. That was the path breaking work that 314 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 4: she should have acknowledged in her career. 315 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 2: She did not, really, Doctor Swain. I appreciate you coming on. 316 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 1: This is Clay, and I first want to say glad 317 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: that you have been at Vanderbilt University in the law 318 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: school and the undergrad I went to the law school. 319 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: I think you've done fantastic work there. My understanding is 320 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: you're a mom, a grandma, and a great grandma. So 321 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: I want to look at it from this perspective when 322 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 1: you see what Harvard is saying to defend their president 323 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: right now, Claudine Gay, not only as a scholar, obviously 324 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: because you have achieved a tremendous amount in your career, 325 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,959 Speaker 1: but as a mom, grandma and great grandma, what do 326 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 1: you think when the NAACP says it's racist to question 327 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: doctor Gay in any way about her scholarship. 328 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 4: I've been black all in my life and all of 329 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 4: my life, whenever a black person was challenged on the left, 330 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 4: the reaction from the elites it's always racist. 331 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 6: And so you can't challenge one of their. 332 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 4: Fellow elite blacks without hearing the charge that it has 333 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 4: to be racist. It always has to be racist. If 334 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 4: you're white, you have to be a white supremacist. I 335 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 4: would say that the people are from the NAACP don't 336 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:27,199 Speaker 4: really understand the issue. And one of the nuances of 337 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 4: the issue, as it pertains to me, is that in 338 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 4: her published work that we now know that parts of 339 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 4: it was pleasurized, she in my opinion, cheated me out 340 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 4: of citations. Because in academia, your statue depends on how 341 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 4: many citations you get, and if there's someone working in 342 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 4: an area where you did canthbreaking work and they're not 343 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 4: adequately citing your work or acknowledging it, it hurts you 344 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 4: over time. 345 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 6: And so I'm a person I took early. 346 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 4: Retirement from vandabilty in twenty seventeen, but largely because of 347 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 4: the woke environment, and when I look at her, who 348 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 4: is quote a distinguished professor. She won a prize for 349 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 4: her senior thesis, she won a prize for her dissertation, 350 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,719 Speaker 4: and now we know she is a serial pleasuriss. I 351 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 4: believe that people like her who have had the most 352 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 4: elite education. She went to Phillips Exeter Academy for her 353 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 4: high school, then she went to Harvard University and was 354 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 4: tenured at Stanford Day. She education that America has to 355 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 4: offer her, and yet she has not produced any path 356 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 4: breaking work. I would say her work is mediocre at best. 357 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 4: It should not have wanted tenure at. 358 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 3: Stanford, Doctor Swain, you, no doubt have, I'm sure, thought 359 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 3: about what the future holds here in the environment where 360 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 3: the Supreme Court has weighed in most recently on affirmative 361 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 3: action in college admissions and deemed it unconstitutional. I wanted 362 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 3: to know if you think that, given all your time 363 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 3: in academia, that we are at a turning point for 364 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 3: both college admissions and also for the hiring of professors 365 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 3: when it comes to relying on diversity as a primary 366 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 3: really a game changing indicator of who they're going to 367 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 3: take or is this just going to be a long 368 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 3: series of lawsuits over many, many years to get these 369 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 3: schools to start changing how they admit students and how 370 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 3: they hire and tenure professors. 371 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 6: Well, well, certainly, I believe at a turning point. 372 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 4: And that's the one reason why this book, The Adversity 373 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 4: of Diversity, is important, because it points out that CRT 374 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 4: and DER programs violate the Constitution and our civil rights 375 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,479 Speaker 4: laws in the same way as race based the firm divention. 376 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 4: And I also contend that we can have diversity without discrimination. 377 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 4: All we have to do is go back to the 378 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 4: original intent of the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four, 379 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 4: enforced the equal protection clause of the Constitution that does 380 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 4: not prohibit outreach to persons, but that outreach needs to 381 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 4: be done to qualified individuals of all races. And so 382 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 4: it should be the death deal for DEI programs left. 383 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 4: They have already declared that they're going to resist in 384 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:37,959 Speaker 4: the same way as people resisted on the left and 385 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 4: on the right the nineteen fifty four Brown Versus Board 386 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 4: of Education school desegregation ruling. It meant for me as 387 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 4: a child, I did not attend integrated schools until the 388 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 4: late nineteen sixties because of the massive resistance, progressives have 389 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 4: declared that they're going to continue doing what they've brold 390 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 4: Is done. And I have been encouraging white Americans, Asian 391 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 4: Asian Americans, men, Christians, various groups who are protected by 392 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 4: the civil rights laws to exercise and defend their rights 393 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,360 Speaker 4: by filing lawsuits. 394 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 6: And I know that lawsuits. 395 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 7: Are being one by white Americans and by men who 396 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 7: have been discriminated against because they are male, because you know, 397 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 7: they have a female boss or female bosses that have 398 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 7: accused them of being you know, toxic because they're male, 399 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 7: or they and they openly tell men, they tell white people, 400 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 7: we have to promote. 401 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 4: You know, someone asked, you cannot take advantage of this 402 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 4: scholarship or this promotion opportunity because. 403 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 6: Of your race. 404 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 4: That is blatantly against the law. More Americans need to 405 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 4: know their rights, and one of the things I've tried 406 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 4: to do with my research is to make them aware. 407 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 4: And so even before the adversity of diversity, I published 408 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 4: a book, A Black Eye for America, had critical race 409 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 4: theory is burning down the House and critical race theory. 410 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 6: Both of those theories. 411 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:20,239 Speaker 4: Are deeply rooted in neomoxism, and the end goal of 412 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 4: neomoxism is to bring down America, to usher in globalism, 413 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 4: to get rid of first world. 414 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: Countries, Doctor Swain, do you think if Claudine Gay the 415 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: president of Harvard or fired that it would be an improvement? 416 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 1: Do you think it would send an important message? Or 417 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: is all of this toxicity with which I think it's 418 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 1: fair to say she is a standard bearer for is 419 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: it so deeply embedded in these universities now that it 420 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: doesn't really change anything because the next person up will 421 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:01,640 Speaker 1: basically be a clone of doctor Gay in many ways 422 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: as well, and that they'll believe the same things. 423 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 2: What should happen in your mind here? 424 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 6: Ability? 425 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 4: And if Harvard University wants to be considered a world 426 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 4: class university again, they have to do something about doctor 427 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 4: Gay because doctor Gay is an embarrassment to education in America, 428 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 4: not just in higher. 429 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 6: Education but also K through twelve. 430 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 4: And my hope is that we are at a turning 431 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,959 Speaker 4: point and at universities they're losing students because students are 432 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 4: not seeing a college education as a good investment. And 433 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 4: I have met parents and grandparents who are given that 434 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 4: children an option of taking that college money that was 435 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 4: saved up and starting businesses rather than going to a 436 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 4: four year college. So they're losing students, they're losing respect. 437 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 4: They're at a point where they could actually do the 438 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 4: right thing, and all they have to do is to 439 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 4: bring back the original tent of higher education, to expose 440 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 4: students to a marketplace of ideas, to create an environment 441 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 4: where you're exposed to new ideas, where you have to 442 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 4: wrestle with new ideas. That's how critical thinking takes place. 443 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 4: It cannot take place in indoctrination centers. And I would 444 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 4: also contend that it hurts racial and ethnic minorities the most, 445 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 4: and especially those of us of all races, who have 446 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 4: worked out butts off to get where we are. When 447 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 4: they lower the standards and they laud them for someone 448 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,199 Speaker 4: who's had an opportunity to have the best education that 449 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 4: America has to offer, and they're law on the standard 450 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 4: for that person, I don't think so. 451 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 6: And I said in another interview, I cannot let this go. 452 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 4: I can't let it go because the future of American 453 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 4: education is at stake and what is happening is harming everyone. 454 00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 4: And I intend to stay on doctor Gay's not doctor 455 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 4: Gay because I don't know about well that she earned 456 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 4: her doctorate, but President Gay's case just like quite. 457 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: On Rice, I'm just your son, Doctor Swain. You're fantastic. 458 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming on with us and sharing your 459 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 1: story and good luck with all those grandkids and great 460 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: grandkids as Christmas gets closer. I'm sure you're super busy 461 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 1: as many of us are with all of that, and 462 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 1: we appreciate you giving us that time. 463 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 6: Thank you. 464 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 1: That is doctor Carol Swain. I encourage you guys to 465 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: check her out. She's active on social media and she 466 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,679 Speaker 1: is a truth teller in a world where often truth 467 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: is not told. Very often is all too often so 468 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: many of you have experienced. 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Clay Travis 489 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 2: at buck Sexton making sense in an insane world. 490 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 3: Governor Christy, former governor of New Jersey, is with us now, sir, 491 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 3: Thanks thanks for calling in. 492 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 5: Okay, thanks for having me on Chalas appreciate it. 493 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,160 Speaker 3: At this point, a lot of people, I think would 494 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 3: assume the first question that you'd be asked would be 495 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 3: something similar to I believe what Megan Kelly asked in 496 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 3: the debate, which is, given your numbers and how things 497 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 3: are going, why are you still in the race. Why 498 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 3: aren't you endorsing somebody else well? 499 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 5: Because at this point in New Hampshire, which is the 500 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 5: first place where folks get to vote in the primary, 501 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 5: I'm only four points behind Nicky Haley in second place, 502 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 5: the only of two people in double digits there besides 503 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 5: Donald Trump. And there's five weeks to go in this race, 504 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 5: and so we've got a lot of work still to do, 505 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 5: and we think we're going to do very very well 506 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 5: in New Hampshire and then move on from there to 507 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 5: South Carolina in Michigan. 508 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: Last time you were on with US Governor, you said 509 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: you would have made the catch that Marquez Valdez Stanling 510 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: would have. You said, you've been there, you'd have made 511 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: the catch. I bet you would have lined up on 512 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: sides too. So the chiefs. It seems to be a 513 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: theme here that chiefs receivers have screwed up and then 514 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: you come on the show. But I wanted I wanted 515 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: to dive into that in particular there with you. You 516 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: said the last time you were on, I think it 517 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: was right before Thanksgiving, that if you did decide to 518 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: drop out, you would endorse Nicky Haley or Ron DeSantis, 519 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: that you wouldn't support the Veke and certainly you're not 520 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: going to support Donald Trump. 521 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 2: I think everybody knows that. It seems to me that 522 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 2: you have chosen. 523 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: When I watched the debate down in Tuscaloosa, it felt 524 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: to me like you were allied with Nicki Haley. Is 525 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: it fair to say that Nicky Haley would be your 526 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: choice in the event you drop out? Have you made 527 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: a decision about which of those two you would support 528 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: in the event you withdrew? 529 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 5: No, I haven't. And look, you know, people always look 530 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 5: at things cynically. Then I understand why, given the state 531 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 5: of politics today. But because I defended Nicky Haley on 532 00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 5: the debate stage from the veks really juveniles people think 533 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 5: that somehow that makes me aligned with Nicky Haley. What 534 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 5: it makes me aligned with is is common courtesy. You know, 535 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 5: when a thirty eight year old guy on that stage 536 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 5: compares his son, a three year old son's intellect to 537 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 5: the intellect of Nicky Haley, it does so unfavorably. I'm sorry. 538 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 5: I just wasn't going to stand there and let him 539 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 5: get away with that. He hasn't shown respect to anybody 540 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 5: on that stage over the course of the last four debates, 541 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 5: and at that point I just had enough. So I 542 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 5: would have done the same thing if it had done 543 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 5: a Toronto Sampus Gunnar Christie. 544 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you, you know, I remember, back 545 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 3: when you were New Jersey governor and you know, the 546 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 3: Tea Party days, you really made a national name for 547 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 3: yourself by standing up to the Teachers' union bullies, right, 548 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 3: I mean, and they're bullies, they are, and they don't 549 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 3: care about the kids. And that's how, you know, you 550 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 3: became really a household name outside of New Jersey. And 551 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 3: and you know, I still I remember watching those clips, 552 00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 3: and you know, I, along with a lot of others, 553 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,719 Speaker 3: were cheering for you because it seemed like, rather I 554 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 3: believe then you really understood in that case who the 555 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 3: you know, the enemy might be too strong a term, 556 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 3: but you know you understood who needed to get you know, 557 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 3: smacked around a. 558 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 2: Little bit, so to speak in New Jersey style. 559 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 3: Now, when we see you on stage, it feels to me, 560 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 3: and I've gotten other people, you know, listening to this show, 561 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 3: they write in about this that all of your ire 562 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 3: is directed towards not you know, the people that are 563 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 3: pushing for the wide open border and not the people 564 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 3: that are supporting Soros prosecutor style policies and cities and 565 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 3: states all across the country, and not the thirty three 566 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 3: trillion dollars in debt, spenders, et cetera. Not the radical 567 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 3: left and all this, but Donald Trump, and I just 568 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 3: feel like that that's something that if I were running 569 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 3: a debate, I want to ask you, why are all 570 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 3: the punches directed in Trump's direction and not at the 571 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 3: radical left enemies we have who are really hurting this 572 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 3: country and hurting working folks, folks and people that you 573 00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 3: know you're supposed to be championing. 574 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 5: Well, certainly if you listen to everything that I say, 575 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 5: that's not the case. But what I will say is this, 576 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 5: when we're looking at the thirty three trillion dollars in debt, 577 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 5: eight trillion of it was racked up by Donald Trump 578 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 5: in four years, the largest amount of debt ever racked 579 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 5: up by a president of four years in the history 580 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 5: of this country. And that came from a guy who 581 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 5: said he's going to balance the budget in four years. 582 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 5: You know, when we're talking about debt, it's that I 583 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 5: have continued and did in debate two directly go after 584 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 5: the teachers Union and go after Randy Weingarten and Jill 585 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 5: Biden directly on the border. I'm the only one who 586 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 5: has come up with a plan to try to deal 587 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 5: with the border beside, you know, shoot them stone cold dead, 588 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 5: or build a wall and have Mexico pay for it, 589 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 5: which we got lied to about eight years ago. You know. 590 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 5: So if you look at these issues, I've talked about 591 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 5: all of them. I've been the one who has stood 592 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 5: up and given a plan on how we deterred China 593 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 5: by expanding our submarine capability, and it's been reviewed by 594 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 5: defense experts saying it was the only person who answered 595 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 5: the question directly. I did the very same thing when 596 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 5: I was asked about what's going on in our educational system, 597 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 5: and then I'm for educational choice for every parent in 598 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 5: this country, and I dismantled the Department of Education to 599 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 5: do it. So I've said all of those things. But 600 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 5: the reason everyone remembers to Donald Trump stuff more particularly 601 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 5: is because I'm the only one up there telling the 602 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 5: truth about what we're facing. We have a guy who's 603 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 5: going on trial this spring who very well will be 604 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 5: convicted because his own chief of staff, Mark Meadows, is 605 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 5: now going to testify against him, and he could. 606 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 3: Be an okay, guvernor Christy. I got to ask you 607 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 3: this because you've said this before on the show. Donald 608 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 3: Trump is almost eighty years old. He's facing four felony 609 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 3: indictments in different jurisdictions, the first felony indictments he's ever 610 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 3: faced in his entire life. They all are happening in 611 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 3: an election year. They were held for years, so it 612 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 3: could happen in this election year. Are these political prosecutions? 613 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 5: I think the one in New York is a political prosecution, 614 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 5: and I think the one in Atlanta. I would not 615 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 5: have brought up the prosecutor. I wouldn't have brought that 616 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 5: case against him, in particular because he had already been 617 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 5: indicted for that federally by Jack Smith and the Department 618 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 5: of Justice. But I think the two from the Department 619 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:16,799 Speaker 5: of Justice have absolute evidence behind them. And you could 620 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,240 Speaker 5: see it both in the in the confidential documents case. 621 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:20,879 Speaker 5: And by the way, if you want to talk about 622 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 5: the delay in the confidential documents case, you know what 623 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 5: was caused. Who caused the delay? Donald Trump, who for 624 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 5: a year and a half refused to return the document. 625 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 2: Would you, well, you were a US attorney. 626 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: Sorry to cut you off, but you were just saying 627 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 1: you wouldn't have You wouldn't have brought the case in 628 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 1: in New York or in Atlanta. 629 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,320 Speaker 2: Those are both state correct cases. 630 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,359 Speaker 1: If you were a federal prosecutor, would you have brought 631 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,360 Speaker 1: the cases that Jack Smith has brought both in DC 632 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: and in South Florida, you would have charged Trump. 633 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 5: Absolutely. I would have charged them in both. On the 634 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 5: documents case. It is so clear that he will be 635 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,320 Speaker 5: convicted there based upon me. 636 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 2: Just let me just sorry. 637 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 1: I agree, we've been analyzed that, but I'm just kind 638 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: of curious. You're you're a prosecutor US attorney. For a 639 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: long time, no one has ever charged a former president, 640 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 1: certainly not a presidential candidate in two hundred and forty 641 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: years of United States history. To me, in order to 642 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 1: break that precedent of never having done it before, it 643 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: seems pretty aggressive and I think personally a poor, awful precedent, 644 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: regardless of what you think of Trump, to try to 645 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 1: put the leading presidential contender right now going up against 646 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,320 Speaker 1: the sitting president in prison for the rest of his life. 647 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 2: Aren't you? 648 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: Are you not troubled by that precedent being set because 649 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 1: whether you think about Trump, it's unlikely that he's going 650 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 1: to be the last guy to face criminal charges once 651 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 1: you cross that rubicon. 652 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 5: I'm more troubled by his conduct. And there's no way 653 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 5: that we could permit in this country for someone to 654 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 5: commit crimes while they're in White House and then say, 655 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,360 Speaker 5: if I declare for president again, you can't prosecute me 656 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,759 Speaker 5: because I'm running for president again. And I'm sorry. That 657 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 5: doesn't put you above the law. There's no one in 658 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,239 Speaker 5: this country who was above the law. Absolutely no one. 659 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 5: And the fact is that Donald Trump caused the confidential 660 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 5: documents case himself. If he had returned those documents at 661 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 5: any time in the year and a half. They were 662 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:32,840 Speaker 5: asking him privately, quietly by letter with his lawyers, without 663 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 5: even a subpoena being issued. Then they issued a subpoena. 664 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 5: He refused to do that, and we now have his 665 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 5: lawyers I'm claire to say they told him it was 666 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:41,720 Speaker 5: going to be a crime. 667 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 3: Like the court obviously is now gonna they're gonna look 668 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 3: at this because the president, President Trump is saying that 669 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,319 Speaker 3: he's covered by the Presidential Records Act, and this might 670 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 3: be adjudicated if this actually goes to court. 671 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,720 Speaker 5: But listen, hold on a second. 672 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 2: I'm not saying he's right or no, no way, but to 673 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:00,040 Speaker 2: know I'm. 674 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,839 Speaker 3: I'm saying he's right or wrong. I'm just saying that 675 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,919 Speaker 3: that's the defense that his legal team is going to mount. 676 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 5: Right, yeah, and it's wrong. 677 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,360 Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I know you think so, I'm telling you, 678 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 3: but I wanted to ask you though, speaking of of 679 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 3: the of you know, your sense of of what's going 680 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 3: on here legally in otherwise we have one warfare here, 681 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:15,760 Speaker 3: Governor Christianer. 682 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:16,799 Speaker 2: Then we actually want to get to something. 683 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 3: We're going to hold you actually because we we we 684 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,279 Speaker 3: we're finding this to be a fruitful exchange. So if 685 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 3: you can stay with this froother segment, but really quickly, 686 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 3: do you think that there are not all but are 687 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 3: there some January sixth prisoners or you know, people that 688 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 3: have been have been convicted who were treated unfairly before 689 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,399 Speaker 3: trial and have been treated unduly harshly after in terms 690 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 3: of their sentencing. 691 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 5: Look, I think the sentencing in this was was very 692 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 5: very severe. Now I also think what happened on January 693 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 5: sixth was very severe, and so you know, I'd have 694 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 5: to look at each of those individual cases and to 695 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 5: be honest, I haven't looked at the sentence and done 696 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 5: comparisons to all of the people. 697 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 2: Come on it. 698 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 3: They held They held people for over a year in 699 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 3: solitary without them even getting their day in court. 700 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,759 Speaker 5: Look, the fact of the matter is that people are 701 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,799 Speaker 5: held all the time in this country without them. 702 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 1: Do you think there was an insurrection? Do you think 703 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:16,400 Speaker 1: it was an insurrection? 704 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 5: I think it was a riot. 705 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we agree that it was a riot. 706 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 1: But but I mean it's in order to hold somebody, 707 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 1: you know this, in order to hold somebody in solitary confinement, 708 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,759 Speaker 1: you have to believe that they are a direct, legitimate threat. 709 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 1: You know, the criteria far better than Buck and I would. 710 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,800 Speaker 1: I can't imagine that. 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That's pound two fifty, say baby, or go 744 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 3: to preborn dot com slash buck sponsored by Preborn, Clay. 745 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,520 Speaker 2: And Buck twenty four to seven and subscribe today. 746 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show The Combative. 747 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,799 Speaker 2: I would say, Chris Christy, I always enjoy it. 748 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,960 Speaker 1: We're throwing questions at him, agreeing and disagreeing with a 749 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 1: variety of different subjects, as by the way, one should 750 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,600 Speaker 1: do in a I think presidential campaign. I would imagine 751 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,759 Speaker 1: the governor would agree everybody shouldn't agree on everything, and 752 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 1: we should find out what we do agree and disagree on. 753 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,760 Speaker 1: And I want to play a clip. Yeah, you agree 754 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,839 Speaker 1: with that, governor and we agree. By the way, would 755 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 1: you have totally not serious before we play a serious 756 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 1: clip for you? Would you have thrown the flag on 757 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,520 Speaker 1: the Chiefs receiver for lining up off sides offensively at 758 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,480 Speaker 1: the end of that game? Or would you have let 759 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,480 Speaker 1: that go because it's not that material to the outcome 760 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:56,520 Speaker 1: of the play or the game. 761 00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,560 Speaker 5: Well, for you throw the penalty flag because off side. 762 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,120 Speaker 5: He was clearly off sides, and you don't know what 763 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,200 Speaker 5: the results of the play is going to be. The 764 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:06,879 Speaker 5: result of the place could have been incomplete, it could 765 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,560 Speaker 5: have been a sack. You got to throw it when 766 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,800 Speaker 5: you see it. And look, it's easy those receivers that 767 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,279 Speaker 5: have to check with the line judge to see if 768 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,560 Speaker 5: they're on sides or not. And the line judgele avis 769 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,319 Speaker 5: him as a typical Chiefs dopey receiver. He didn't do it, 770 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 5: and he wanted the course of this team the game. 771 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,080 Speaker 1: All Right, we've got a clip we want to play 772 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,280 Speaker 1: for you, and then I'm gonna ask you a question 773 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:30,799 Speaker 1: right after it, but I want to make sure our 774 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,440 Speaker 1: crew hears it. This is the fourth GOP debate about 775 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:40,680 Speaker 1: transgender transit transitions for kids, cut twenty three. I'll let 776 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,400 Speaker 1: you listen to it to here's Chris Christy on the 777 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:44,400 Speaker 1: stage in Tuscalousa. 778 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 8: Republicans believe in less government, not more, in less involvement 779 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 8: with government, not more, in government involvement in people's lives. 780 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 8: And you know what, Megan I trust parents, and we're 781 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,280 Speaker 8: out there saying that we should empower parents in education, 782 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,000 Speaker 8: we should empower parents to make more decisions about where 783 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 8: their kids go to school. 784 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:03,239 Speaker 5: I agree we. 785 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,400 Speaker 8: Should empower parents to be teaching the values that they 786 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,400 Speaker 8: believe in in their homes without the government telling them 787 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,360 Speaker 8: what those values should be. And yet we want to 788 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:13,920 Speaker 8: take other parental rights away. 789 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,000 Speaker 5: I'm sorry. As a father of four, I. 790 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,200 Speaker 8: Believe there is no one who loves my children more 791 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 8: than me, and I get to make the decisions about 792 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,960 Speaker 8: my children, not anybody else. And every parent out there 793 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 8: who's washing tonight, you start to turn over just a 794 00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,960 Speaker 8: little bit of this authority the authority they're going to 795 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:32,560 Speaker 8: take from you next, you're not going. 796 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:36,359 Speaker 1: To like, okay, Governor, I've got three kids, you've got four. 797 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,400 Speaker 1: So I think parents out there have a variety of opinions. 798 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 1: Mine are all minors. And I just want to give 799 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,520 Speaker 1: you a hypothetical. I couldn't take my kids right now 800 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,520 Speaker 1: and get them a tattoo. Now, leave aside the fact 801 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,799 Speaker 1: that my wife would murder me if I did it, right, 802 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,319 Speaker 1: but let's pretend that I took my eight year old 803 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,680 Speaker 1: to a tattoo parlor, right now, and I said, I 804 00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,240 Speaker 1: think it's in the best interest for him to get 805 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,280 Speaker 1: a tattoo or something. 806 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:02,560 Speaker 5: Right. 807 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,759 Speaker 1: I also couldn't take my kid to a bar and 808 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,520 Speaker 1: get him a beer, even if I thought, hey, he's ready, 809 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:14,239 Speaker 1: he can have wine. Whatever else, parents have restrictions on them. 810 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,760 Speaker 1: I don't believe any child under eighteen should be able 811 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,919 Speaker 1: to have gender adjustment surgery in any way. I think 812 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,120 Speaker 1: that should be a prohibition. If you can't get tattoos 813 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,760 Speaker 1: and you can't get beer. Don't we restrict parent rights 814 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,160 Speaker 1: all the time to protect kids. Why is it right 815 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,920 Speaker 1: to allow, you know, a fourteen year old to get 816 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,000 Speaker 1: her boob chopped off. 817 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:38,520 Speaker 5: Well, look, you're making a comparison, I think, quite frankly, 818 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:43,839 Speaker 5: is not apt. They make those rules. They don't say 819 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,479 Speaker 5: parents can't take their children for a beer. They say 820 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,080 Speaker 5: anyone under the age of eighteen can't get a beer, 821 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,000 Speaker 5: whether he walks into the bar on his own or 822 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 5: whether he walks into it's. 823 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:56,560 Speaker 2: Under twenty one, as we know. 824 00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,799 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, and by the way, I agree with that, 825 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,680 Speaker 1: and i'd have the same allog for anybody under eighteen 826 00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:03,880 Speaker 1: one and gener assignment. If you want to be over eighteen, 827 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,759 Speaker 1: you can do it. We got one minute, governor, so 828 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,840 Speaker 1: go ahead. How is this not apples to apples? 829 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,520 Speaker 5: So my point is, my point is that we are 830 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,880 Speaker 5: now invading into the house, and we're letting government invade 831 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,200 Speaker 5: into the house on all kinds of different issues. And 832 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:19,960 Speaker 5: I don't believe we should add to it. 833 00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:21,280 Speaker 2: Well, but no, a governor. 834 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,680 Speaker 3: I mean, if it said to me, hold on a second, 835 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,120 Speaker 3: if someone said, hey, you know, I just think that 836 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,360 Speaker 3: that disciplining my kid with a belt and you know, 837 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,040 Speaker 3: hitting them with it is good, I don't think it's 838 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,279 Speaker 3: child abuse. The state doesn't say, yeah, we don't want 839 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:32,840 Speaker 3: to interfere. 840 00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,280 Speaker 5: And so what you're telling me is that every time 841 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,520 Speaker 5: a parent spanks a child that they're subject to arrest. 842 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,720 Speaker 5: I don't think that's what goes on in this country 843 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,759 Speaker 5: right now. And that's why I think people who are 844 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,720 Speaker 5: making these type of comparisons are not making apps comparisons. 845 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,479 Speaker 5: The fact of the matter is you've got to either 846 00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,200 Speaker 5: stands up for parental rights or not. 847 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,240 Speaker 2: And the next time you don't, then you're. 848 00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,160 Speaker 5: Gonna wind up having the government come in and say 849 00:44:58,160 --> 00:44:59,880 Speaker 5: you can't do something with your children. 850 00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,320 Speaker 1: I tell you we are We are both not sold 851 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,880 Speaker 1: on this position at all government. You can't get a 852 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,280 Speaker 1: tattoo under eighteen. Uh, you shouldn't be able. 853 00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,840 Speaker 3: To gender mutilation for twelve year olds is something that 854 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,680 Speaker 3: we would think that all conservatives gonna pose. But sir, 855 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,640 Speaker 3: I don't, I don't wanna. I don't wanna sand bag 856 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,799 Speaker 3: you here at the end, so we'll just we're gonna 857 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,040 Speaker 3: leave it with it. We got like ten seconds go ahead. 858 00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,080 Speaker 5: Yeah all right, but guys, look, you know if you're 859 00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,080 Speaker 5: not for parental rights, that I get that. You guys 860 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:28,320 Speaker 5: are not for parental rights. 861 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,440 Speaker 3: I am okay, So he's gonna sand bag us, all right, 862 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,759 Speaker 3: Governor Christy, everybody we gave him a say, Governor, appreciate you. 863 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:35,080 Speaker 5: Coming on. 864 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:36,560 Speaker 3: We'll talk to you again. We're ready to fight with 865 00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,120 Speaker 3: you again next time. We'll see you next time.